That's for sure, why I didn't upgrade for a long time till last year with 12th Gen Intel in my main rig when I finally had some spare cash, and catching some deals on a couple Lenovo laptops earlier this year with 12th gen intel.
@@ShadyMike don't blame ya, I still game on dual 24in monitors at 1080p 165Hz, so 12th Gen intel with a Powercolor AMD RX 6650 XT 8GB is more than enough for me, and my laptops being intel 12th gen do everything I need at work just fine, and I can't see myself upgrading them anytime soon even with DDR4 RAM.
Some great quotes from this video: 1:31 "There's nothing wrong with wanting the latest and greatest. There IS something wrong with feeling like you need the latest and greatest." 12:09 "Only deal with in person (used) purchases" 14:53 "It really boils down to ... does my computer do what I want it to do now as fast as I want it to do it"
The key to happiness is being content with what you have. If your computer does everything you need it to do then there's no reason to upgrade. I don't think most people do upgrade every 5 years. I think most people don't upgrade until their system conks out. I think most people get more like 7-10 years out of a computer.
I upgraded a couple years ago to a 5800X CPU/5600XT GPU from an AMD 6300/GT630 2GB GPU that I built back in 2013. Current PC does everything I need it to and don't plan on upgrading until it craps out, if that's another 5 or 10 years then I'll still have this one until then.
some of us have a serious problem with not being able to resist buying pc parts when they see a sale and are constantly upgrading lol.. its me, im talking about me.
The only thing I'm sure of is that Intel works better with Windows 11, of course, as long as you have it legal, and AMD works very well with any operating system.
you're unfair to the youngest if the older brother gets the best PC all the time. sure, younger might not need the best, but when they get old enough, that might be the case, and the youngest might complain
I usually upgrade in a 2-step process. I change the whole system, keep it a few years, replace GPU and a few things to keep it fresh for a few other years, then when it's impossible to upgrade without a general bottleneck, change whole system again.
Me too, doing so it comes down to a complete new system every 8-10 years, depending on whats being developed during that time, and a new gpu every ~5-6 years. Im still running my i7 6700k and a 1080ti atm, waiting till end of october or maybe until 9800x3d launch to get a new build.
Same here, I just upgraded my i5 6600k and Rx 580 system. Ryzen 5 5600x and Rx6600 now, gonna run it until my gpu can't handle it, then upgrade the GPU until my CPU and handle any more. It'll hopefully be about 3-4 before a GPU upgrade and 7-8 years before another full system upgrade
Definitely depends on your use case and workload. You might not even need any incremental upgrades. My previous build is from 2013/2014 and I only upgraded this year. I don't really even need to upgrade but just felt it was time.
I wish I would have waited. The am5 platform is far from fleshed out. 1 min boot times or 14 sec boot times and instability. Problems I never had with intel ever. I cant wait for the new intel chips to drop so I can sell this setup on offerup/fb market.
Not necessarily true. I should have bought the 7800x3d a couple months ago. I kept hoping the prices would get even lower but it looks like they sold through their inventory and now it's just scalpers selling. Now I'm waiting on the 9800x3d and waiting a couple months for the first price drop. I could have had my computer late spring/early summer for the price I wanted and now I'm looking at sometime after ces. Sometimes waiting isn't the answer.
@@natel7382That was my exact reason for choosing am4 in 2023. Got a 5800x3d thinking that it will last me until am5 matures a bit. I will make the jump at it's 2nd or 3rd gen
My pops runs an old q6600 with I think a 780 Gtx. He doesn’t ever want it upgraded as it’s been ultra reliable. It gets used every day. He plays Dawn of war. Empire earth and a few others from that age. I’ve offered hip upgrades and he’s said no don’t change it. Being content with what you have is a big lesson that we all should learn. I feel blessed as I have a 5800 x3d and a stock 3090. I unfortunately don’t have as much time to play as I used to but it’s awesome knowing it’s there ready to go when I’m ready.
I have used the 5 year rule for so long.....I am a gamer, so I tend to go about 4 to 5 years in between I just set aside PC funds to be able to build a top rig every time. It has worked well and not many games have made me upgrade any faster lately.
Same. Same components from years ago and we’re both still better at every game than goofies that waste thousands of dollars a year for the newest components. That’s terrible budgeting on their end
@slyfer3k I kind of upgrade as I go usually, just swapping out parts here and there if they are compatible. But for the first time since 2016 I'm going to do a full new rig sometime next year. Mainly because my current system is using a case from 2013 that is just dated now and I wanted to replace it which means removing all the internals. My AIO is also not working properly anymore And I want a general upgrade as well as I'm into pcvr and enjoy flight sim which as was mentioned in the video, is quite intensive. My 2080ti and ryzen 7 5800x have definitely been struggling with it in some areas particularly cities. Especially in vr. It's just a matter of how long do I wait to do it. Shall I wait for a specific release and should I stick with amd or go back to Intel? And I'm also a linux dual booter so do I stick with nvidia or go amd graphics
My thinking: 1. Never upgrade until there is a real need*. Waiting will always mean getting more for your money. 2. If you build a system with a mid-range or better CPU, then that system will do fine for two or maybe three generations of GPU. Remember the money you don't spend on unnecessary upgrades, it will pay for lots of games or allow you to simply take time of work to enjoy life. *Need can be postponed by playing those great 1-2 year old games you missed, but are great and now also dirt cheap to buy.
I work on computers that are 10 years old used by people that don't game. If you don't game on them you wouldn't even know they're that old. At most I've had to replace power supplies and fans with bearings that went bad and some keyboards and mice but that's it. Most people that do game can still run DDR4 systems and for significantly less they only lose about 10% to 15% performance. x86 is hot garbage.
To be honest, if you're running a rig built in the last 3 or 4 years, you're still set for a while. And to be frank, the last crops of games have been pure junk so I'm in no hurry to upgrade - especially with FSR 2 and FSR 3 being so good now with Frame Generation. And if there are new titles that _require_ say, Ray Tracing, I simply won't purchase it. Ez PZ.
I'm still on a build with 9700k and 3090, I'm JUST starting to feel the need to MAYBE upgrade the CPU if the 9800X3D is good. It's lasted a lot longer with a 4k screen.
It was about not long before the 5800x3d was announced i had to upgrade my computer. The quad2core q6600 on 3.0 GHz and the GTX 450 were done after many years of great service. I learned alot tweaking and tuning, keeping her running,she was a beast, competing with much new gen pc's. Even now she has a comfy place in the living room being a play music and movies device. Decided to go for AM4 instead of 5. Did not want to step in a new gen with more power usage and first-run-problems. So glad i did . Now i have a R5 5600 and a RX 6600 in a NV9. It looks great, very beautiful, i can run every game or sim i want too play, low wattage and more. Spend most of the budget on my friends, having great times together. Be well all
Key tip I learned is to stop watching hardware related videos or benchmarks immediately after you build your PC or upgrade. Go back to reviews when you search for new stuff, not before!
My rules of thumb. Don't upgrade unless there is a need, or something is incredibly cheap (but not a scam) and nothing is due soon to replace it. If what you got is doing a good enough job, but you would like better, wait for the next relevant release if in the next few months.
True. Plus a friend of mine has this saying: Hot multiplayer games usually run on basically everything. Triple A single player games require decent specs BUT you could play them years later since they aren't multiplayer. Plus you'll get the games themselves cheaper. :)
@@jeffb.6642 its all woke trash now all the devs are purple haired women at ubisoft. Rockstar is the only one who makes a good game these days they don't put out trash.
I put off my upgrade for a about 5-6 years and then got a great bundle deal on my 5800X3D and paired it with 7800XT. Old setup was a 8600k with a Titan X Maxwell. I mostly sim race.
@@PontiacKid2 I got a bundle 5800X, 16Gb DDR4 and a Asus TuF mobo, sold the 5800X and the ram to fund the X3D chip and 64Gb Corsair ram which was super easy and made enough to fund my choice parts with onyl having to add some extra to pay it off. Sadly my GPU was a horrible time to buy with the mining boom and scalpers making buying anything worthwhile almost impossible.
I recently upgraded my computer and don't regret it. I had a Intel 6 core (8th gen I think) and DDR 4. I was debating a semi upgrade by staying within DDR 4 or a major by going DDR 5. I saw a bundle at Micro Center for AMD 7950x3D, motherboard, and RAM for $740. Got it and have had to deal with dry mouth because my jaw keeps hitting the ground with how much things improved. If you want to wait do that. Be smart with your money.
I had a ryzen 2600 and was waiting for ryzen 9000 series to upgrade but after I saw the reviews I picked up a heavily reduced 7950x and it was a big improvement and I still don’t regret it over the 9950x.
My EVGA GTX 1080 is still going strong with zero issues since I bought it back in 2018, all I have to do is turn down shadows to medium in most games for higher FPS. Even The First Descendant runs well on it at high settings 1080p. I'm kinda waiting to see if the 5000 series will be decent.
you are perfect for an upgrade. I have a 1080 in my youngest sons PC 60Hz 1080p and he plays roblox, minecraft easily. Its not a great card for newer games though at all.
I just upgraded a few months back to the 7900 GRE, because I switched from 1080p to 1440p and my old GPU wasn't pushing enough FPS. I'm very happy with my upgrade choice, the 7900 GRE is a beast.
Agreed I have a 6900xt and I'm still super happy with it. Pushing Warhammer to 100 - 115fps on maxed settings 1440p. So many people sleep on amd. Nividia is the apple of the gaming world now. They literally don't give to craps about the customer anymore.
I also upgraded to a 7900gre a few months back, went from a hd 6670 and a i5 4460 to a 3060/5600x and went NAW I WANT MORE so I grabbed a 7900gre and a 5800x3d :^)
Glad you mentioned us 10 year cycle people, I'm still on an i7 4790k + GTX 970 + 32gb 4×8 2400MHz DDR3 + MSI Mpower Z97. I also went overkill (at the time) and got an 850W PSU, so hopefully that'll be enough power for a new midrange system...
Whoa I'm almost on the same rig... just i7 4790, GTX970 and only 16gb ram cause my mobo can only hold 2. I'm in this video rn cause I'm looking to upgrade soon. I built this budget PC just so I could play Monster Hunter World. And now I'm gonna have to build a new one so I could play Monster Hunter Wilds next year.
I have an update! I bought a PC off of craigslist from someone who quit gaming. It's got an i7-11700k and an Asus ROG 3080 all for $740. So far it runs everything butter smooth at 1440p I'm super satisfied. I highly recommend going the used route.
@@168ajk That's a crazy good deal. That's what the 3080 itself cost when it came out 4 years ago, so assuming the rest of the parts cost about the same total, that's a 50% saving in terms of perf/$ compared to buying new.
My computer is almost 4 years old and, my current GPU Graphics card is a GTX 970 like yours, which is over 10 years old and it runs on most games that, I play that could handle my Graphics card specs like on, older games some games I could play on high settings, it was crazy you'd be amazed and surprised, with what you can do on this card. However because of the age of the card, it did start to quickly give me lag spikes, that lasted up to 2 seconds and it did it once every so often, it wasn't anything major later down the road, miraculously the lag literally stopped and disappeared it was like a miracle come true. I forgot to mention that my video card also started, to freeze my computer for a little while, then it focused back on track later in time that also stopped as well. I just bought a 3440x1440p Ultra Wide Monitor this year, most of the time I played retro Doom mod wads with the GTX 970, which I was pretty much satisfied with that for a while. Since I bought a 3440x1440 Ultra Wide monitor, I knew that this monitor is meant to be played on a 1440p video card. Then I realized that it was time to finally upgrade my graphics card and I decided to get the ASUS ROG Strix Geforce RTX 4070 Ti Super OC Edition 16 GB. Some people are very fussy on FPS, they need an urge to upgrade all the times, all you really need to do is lower your settings try it and test it out, however if you're still lagging at the lowest settings, then I would consider upgrading your whole PC gaming rig. Or you could just stay and play Doom wads, they may say that you're missing out, on certain technology but its also not cheap, to upgrade into getting the latest and greatest its what you can afford, and there's no need to be keeping up with the Joneses.
Bought new parts for my brothers PC yesterday. Had a spare 3080 laying around so he gets that one with a 7800x3D, 2tb ssd and 32gb ram for about 1600 dollars. Purely for gaming. Right now his only "PC" is a crappy decade old laptop. He tried to play the Finals on it and it was a complete mess. So I finally managed to persuade him that he needs a new PC. Before this he always said naaa my laptop is fine. He will also get a new keyboard and monitor. It will be fun to see him experience the upgrade haha
In my experience, most people with God Tier PCs play super simple games (like RuneScape/older titles) that require the most minimum specs(in today’s standard), and if not that then they genuinely work so much/have family’s to tend to that they actually have barely anytime to play on said PCs.
I have a god tier PC and I mainly need more performance for things like sim racing. Would love more power to get either triple screen 4k 120 or even more power for a 120 fps high graphic VR sim racing experience. You are definetly correct in that you don't need these new crazy cards just to play a regular video game, even if its super high graphics. These new cards/cpus really help with other technologies like VR>
@Marines1945 Amazingly put. I've upgraded from a Ryzen 3600/RX 580 to a 7950X3D/7900 XTX last month after 5 years. My favorite games? Rimworld, Skyrim, a few RTS... Built it mostly to play Skyrim with extremely demanding ENBs.
I love keeping my parts for as long as possible. Had a HAF 932 case from 2009 to 2022. 13 years and then upgraded to a 011 EVO case for a 4090 GPU. Had my Z5500 speaker system from 2008 until this year.
As a console player who recently jumped to the PC gaming. I'm honestly happy about 60fps, heck I would even take a game running at 40fps etc... I got so used to console gaming at 30fps on my 4K tv that anything above that is an improvement
I remember twenty years ago 30 FPS was the gold standard, and the consensus was that anything less than 27 frames was interpreted by the brain as a series of still images while over that you had smooth, full motion animation. How the goalposts have moved.
Oddly as I get old I'm OK with 1080P, Ultra, 60FPS with zero stutters. When my computer slows down I often don't mind going down to high, turning off Ray Tracing, etc.
Cars are so much more exciting I have been putting most of my money towards are 1969 Mach 1 Ford Mustang restoration the PC is going on 7 years since I last updated it.
Lol, I'm getting to the age where I can identify my limits. Got my car to 300rwhp (Australian turbo manual ute) and realised that it's more powerful than my ability to drive it safely, so calling it done. I'm pretty much at the same point with PC games, where I'm well and truly at my skill ceiling and I'm comfortable with my skill level, and a more powerful PC ain't getting me any higher. So I'm at the sweet spot for both of those money / time sinks for me. Home improvements, well, that's the new frontier. Got the gear aquistion syndrome transfered over to power tools and woodworking. I'll be set for a while.
For someone who has a RTX 3070, I'm waiting till I see the performance/value for the RTX 5080. This way I'll decide if it's worth upgrading it. Another way I see upgrading is if I see a performance greater than >80%. Anything between 70% - 79% depends on the value. All less than 69% isn't worth the time.
4080 is 93% stronger according to techpowerup, and there's also the 4090, so I guess you mean 80% more performance for the same price paid on the old card?
Lets be real, nvidia performance gating will make the 5080 a 10% fps/$ improvement over a current 4080S @ $1000 and a 0% improvement over a heavily discounted (in their eyes) 4080S @ $900 If a 5080 is 132% the perf of a 4080S and costs $1200 1000 x 120% price = 120% equal value performance 120 x 1.1 = 10% more performance per dollar = 132% perf Reduce 4080S to $900 $900 = 3/4 $1200 132% × 0.75 = 0.99 the relative value
I upgraded to a 4090 from the 3070 and while its great, its not THAT incredible since you can already do most things a high settings 60FPS, everything above that is convenience
16:45 LOL I feel called out. I've been looking to upgrade my 2016 build with a 6700K and GTX 1080 since about 2021, but at 8 years old now there are quite a few games that just don't hold up at 1440p. Your video helped reassure me that my choice of 13600K and 4070 Ti Super are sufficient to get me through at least another 6 years, even if it basically means building a new PC from scratch.
Just got a 1440p OLED.. WOW . If you have old monitor(s) I highly suggest look into the monitor upgrade. (edit) My old main monitor was a 1080 TN panel.
I am still using a 1080p 27" monitor that still has a dvi connector. I upgraded to a 4080 after being on a 1070 for so long. So i will need a monitor soon.
I'm gonna grab an Oled during the holiday season I think. It's been on my list for a while and finally almost ready to pull the trigger as soon as I see a nice sale. I'm debating on an ultrawide 1440p but at the same time with games just becoming more demanding/unoptimized I'm not sure I want to push things any further than just the 16:9 1440p I have now. The Oled part is a for sure though
I'm still running my 6700k, Gtx 1080, and they're definitely showing their age. I'll probably upgrade soon. but still runs a lot of games in my steam backlog pretty well.
Jay did a video similar to this, what, about two years ago? One thing that was pointed out then was the compatibility issue. Any new adopters are a form of beta testers. I decided at that moment to build a top spec system from the ending generation. They'd been "tested" for some time with all needed patches and fixes and the costs of that generation had just started dropping. I've not had an issue with it. Yes, it was DDR4 and old socket but by the time I'd need to update the next gen issues will be worked out. That last sentiment I fear may never be true again but I am beyond glad I haven't dealt with DDR5 and the 40 series!
Yeah until, since you're going through the trouble anyway, you want to install Win11 on your Win10 system, but you can't because no TPM...so you start researching motherboard and CPU combos, which is when you realize you can't use your trusty DDR4 RAM anymore, so now it's a MB+CPU+RAM upgrade...yeah.
Very true. My old boss did say to me he copied all the install files for every bit of software he had on to his NAS and re-installed his O/S every few years and got a lot more life out of his machines.
16:43 I had an i7-5820K until last month, I had it overclocked as much as I could with my AIO water cooler to 4.5GHz. Now, I've replaced it with a Ryzen 7 9700X, and man, there is a huge performance difference, and the heat coming from the PC is about half as much. The next thing I need to update is my GPU, I have a GTX 1070, so I'm considering waiting for an RTX 5060, I only play at 1080p 144Hz, so I don't think I need more than a 60 for 1080p nowadays
We probably won't see the 5060 until March or maybe later. I think there are plenty of awesome budget 1080p cards out there that could make you much happier, much faster.
tbh with how much bad optimized the recent games are, you should be happy if 5060 can even run new games at 1080p 60fps native, Monster Hunter Wilds requirements are a 4060 with freme gen to hit 60fps in 1080p medium settings, there's tons of shit visuals because of over using upscalers too, some times looks like I'm playing without my glasses (I have myopia)
4:25 Not trying to be "that guy," especially after what happened in the Star Wars video... But all the RTX 4090 and even 4080 in my country all sold out after Black Myth: Wukong came out. It was even reported on the news that this game singlehandley pushed a new wave of hardware upgrades. And no, I am not Chinese.
Biggest upgrade you can get is likely not a new gpu, but a good OLED with decent HDR. And SIZE plays much more of a role than you think. I finally convinced a lifelong pc gamer friend of mine to get an LG C4 42" TV for his DESK. He had a 1000€ pc monitor before, but when I set up the new TV for him, he said it looked ridiculously better than before and the size is a bigger way to increase immersion than any bump in framerate ever could.
I'm part of the " Wait until you need to upgrade" crew. With that reason being Windows 10 support dies for my current setup next year. My hardware is definitely not supported for Windows 11. I'm on the old Intel 4th Gen I7-4790K and AMD 580. My system is just over 10.5 years old. I'm looking to upgrade to a whole new system this upcoming Holiday Sales Season. I'm going with an AMD AM5 Motherboard and still undecided on a GPU. Debating on waiting for the new Nvidia 5000 series, or picking up a near sold out 4080/4090 series GPU. I do know for sure I'll be watching a ton of JayzTwoCents videos to make a decision. Thanks for the content
Same boat as you but I think I'm going with the 6750 XT because of the price to value. I can always save up for a better card later but I don't need more than that.
A big thing to consider: New graphics cards will be running on PCIe Gen 5, which 99% of older motherboards do not support. Even if you upgraded to something with DDR5, your PCIe slot is likley still PCIe gen 4. So, if you are trying to "future proof" yourself, make sure you get a board with gen V support for the GPU slot. Some will deceive you saying they support pcie gen 5 but its only for the top m.2 slot. This happened to me when I bought an Aorus EX elite b650 board thinking I'd be good for the future. Only the B650E boards support gen V GPUs. I would recommend grabbing a b650e, or if you find a good deal, one of the new x670 boards, then you can still find a good deal on a 7800x3d when the new x3d chips launch and people are upgrading.
Current GPUs are nowhere near the limit of PCI-E 4.0. Moreover, even 4090 looses just a couple % of fps when switching from PCI-E 3 x16 to PCI-E 4 x16. I bet 5090 will behave the same way in case of PCI-E 4 x16 vs PCI-E 5 x16. 5080 will not even feel.the difference, let alone lower tier cards. The only ones who might need to worry are those, who will get cards with cut down PCI-E slots. 8 lanes and especially 4 lanes may cause issues.
I upgraded to a 4790K about 4 years ago for my main PC, I have a laptop (12600K) and a new PC (13600), the difference between them in the workloads I perform is around one second, My biggest jump came from up grading my I5 to I7 - which affected the splash screen.. Simplest way to get more performance - clean install
11:36 Check retailers too. I got my XFX 6950 XT from Memory Express here in Canada for the MSRP of a 4070 FE ($850). This was shortly after reviews were coming out for the 4070's launch. Edit: It was brand new in packaging.
I'm finally going back to a desktop, after many years on laptop. I've been an OTR trucker the last 10 years, and I've finally gotten fed up with living on the road. So I'm applying/looking for local work. I've been ordering a bunch of stuff, now that I can afford it, to overhaul my room at home and build my ideal setup. Got a bunch of new furniture, and I'm in the process of building a sort of HTPC setup with a full tower, and an eventual 85" TV. Got just about everything I need except the guts for my PC, a Sony Bravia 9, and a nice 5.1.2 surround setup. Just waiting for some stuff like Intel and Nvidia to launch their stuff, or for promotions/sales on other stuff. Kinda just going balls to the wall, as I've never really had the opportunity before to go high end. Grew up in poverty, and I only changed that for myself by working my ass off over the road trucking lol. No rush, gotta wait on some stuff.. But I can't say I'm not a little giddy with excitement lol. With everything being "bleed edge" and "flagship" I shouldn't have to worry about upgrading again for an good 5 to 6 years, maybe more. Probably just wait for Micro LED and 8k support to become more of a thing...😅
It's alright, more of a lifestyle choice than a typical career. It can depend on the company, and a lot of guys tend to jump around like fleas looking for the "greener grass." All depends on the individual. I'm aiming for local work now as the pay scale and work/life situation is better than OTR. Most local outfits like garbage, towing, dump truck, pay hourly with time and a half for overtime. Most offer the same comprehensive benefits as OTR. I won't advocate for or against OTR. It's worthwhile trying out if your looking for a bit of adventure, and depending on the company the pay can be lucrative. But it can also be an extremely stressful job too with long hours, limited home time, and dealing with all the varying conditions encountered over the road. It's one of the top ten most dangerous careers a person can work for a good reason.
0:49 as someone who usually listens to this videos on its phone wearing earbuds I cant put music on, wondering if people who watch on pc actually put on music…
Hey Jay and team, long time viewer here. Built my first PC in 2020 and then 2nd one November of 23. Mainly for MS Flight Simulator. It would be great if you could include the sim your tests of processors, graphics cards, and memory and then display that on graphs like you normally do. This sim and now with 2024 about to release has been the most popular by far and seeing a comparison of the sim against other AAA titles like Cyberpunk would be helpful I think to a lot of people wondering what hardware they should get. I myself didn't realize that msfs 2020 doesn't utilize multiple cores very well and with a 7800x3d and 7900xtx GPU the CPU is the bottleneck because of how it was programmed. Had I have known this ahead of time I may have waited to build another full rig until 2024 came out. Anyway, love the vids and keep up the good work
PC gaming is really my only vice and hobby. I play golf and go fishing and other stuff. However, I don't do those very often. Golf maybe once a month, fishing every 90 days. Gaming is my main hobby. So I always get an upgrade each generation of CPUs and GPUs IF THERE IS A NOTABLE INCREASE IN PEEFORMANCE. I take my older stuff and put it in my wife's PC and I have a buddy that buys what was in her PC and I sell it to him under the going price. I recoup a some of my money. My buddy, my wife, and me are all happy. It is a beautiful thing.
AMD : ''So you will buy our 0% improvement gaming performance last chips right? RIGHT?'' Joke aside, I hope for AMD's bottom line and overall technology improvements that their upcomming CPUs have a significant gaming improvement, because the last ones were were pretty bad. After adjusting like for like, only in a few niche tasks were there efficiency improvements. And not gaming.
@@FoMobileGaming ok..thanks. I still have a 9600k and thinking of upgrading my GPU but Im afraid of buying an expensive card then getting limited by my cpu.
I’m watching this one through Jay. My 12900k burnt up with instability and degradation. Right out of the warranty window. I bought that one 2 months before the 13900k. Should I buy the 14900k to replace it or wait? Let’s find out.
@@MovieGasm i assume you had a good thermal solution and you did used xmp and had a asus board.. did you set your voltages manually ...did you change pl1 pl2 ... whats your motherboard??
Crazy. I was about to recommend the 7800x3d but it is currently at $700 at most stores. 3 months ago I got the cpu, ram and mobo for the same price as the processor itself today.
I got a bundle off of newegg the 7800x3d for $366.80, Gigabyte b650 Gaming X AX for 179.99, and Corsair Ram for $112.99. Total bundle I paid $659.78 (luckily it was a tax free weekend so I also saved about 7% on taxes too. Right now from newegg that same exact combo is $979.97 plus tax where I live makes it $1,048.57. I basically saved $388.79 because I bought the bundle BEFORE the prices sky rocketed on the 7800x3d. Looking at it now it looks like the MOBO is the same price as the bundle deal and the ram is cheaper than what I got it for. That being said the cpu over doubled in price so i'll take the W. Upgrading is fine just know when to hold em and know when to fold em. I got lucky and bought at the perfect time.
Well, I actually need to upgrade because I have a 1440P monitor and a 3060, and at high settings it's struggling. As you said, everyone has different standards. By my standards, that's not enough. I need more power and VRAM, but Nvidia is forcing us to buy the top-end GPUs if we want more VRAM.
6:29 Magix Vegas Pro and yes it does. Highly recommend it as it has come a long way and still has the fastest most professional timeline to work with. Why open up so many apps adobe, when you can just get it all done in one peace of software. It being cheaper doesnt hurt ether.
I think it's going to be the right time. Going from my 1080 Ti FE. I got it day one for $699 MSRP. It's still holding up. It is the best card they have ever manufactured, in my opinion, they went so far ahead at that time. I think maybe a new build with a 5090.
That's going to be a huge upgrade but be prepared to fork 2000+ dollars. although with all that time you got out of the 1080ti I imagine you've saved enough.
@@ZackSNetwork Yes. I bought the ACER Predator XB270HU day one for $699. 27" - 2560x1440 144hz IPS panel with G-Sync 3 MS response. I also have the XB273HU Which is almost identical but 1MS, basically just the newer model. I plan to buy the newest model that is 4K at 144hz or maybe 165 or if they have a 240hz by then. IPS, G-Sync 1MS.
Well, you nailed it, MSFS 2024 is the reason I decided to upgraded. It has been a while, I currently have a z390 motherboard and 8th gen I9 along with an nvidia 2080ti and 32g DDR4. It did okay with MSFS 2020 but frame rates were nothing to write home about and my detail settings were pretty low. I started by getting an additional 32g of DDR4 and a new 4080 super. MSFS 2020 improved noticeably. But now I've got the bug! I'm going with a 7800x3d, a x650E motherboard, and 64g DDR5. I've never gone bleeding edge with my build and this seems to be a good time to upgrade considering there are some pretty good deals on these components. Great video!
@@kevinerbs2778 dude with my old 965x i actually had a whopping 48GB of ram back in 2011, that was absolutely fucking insane heck i don't think intel mainstream CPU's actually supported more than 32GB of ram after 1st gen all the way up until 6th or 7th gen... O.G. i7 was way ahead of its time
Thats most likely a dead copastor in the power supply 15 years is extremely old for power supply are you getting rapid heating or power cycling.? if so, you need a new power supply. You can tell if you're getting power cycling because your fans will ramp up and down or just suddenly stop on startup.
It's hard to say for how long though since 13th gne's issues only became well known in the last few months, like a year and a half after they came out. But pretty much every CPU or GPU launch has problems for the first few months these days. Last time we had a smooth launch without problems in tech was probably GTX 10 Series
Yeah great advice, forgot about the crypto mining boom? It has happened twice already. You could get a 3080 for about 900€ at the time when Ampere was first introduced and a short while later it was like 1400-2000€. And this was the case for 2 years before prices went down. So no, you can't say that in general.
My theory is Arrow Lake is going to be one of their best generations of processors. If the 13th and 14th generations were just overclocked versions of 12th generation, what were they doing with all their time and resources? Arrow Lake will either be really good or the beginning of the end.
Unfortunately they were firing people and increasing shareholder profits, I would like to see an awesome product but honestly it will probably just suck less.
@@jootai I think Intel has the v-min shift issue all sorted out now. And if they didn't, they are providing warranty coverage for the next 5 years! They will keep a gppd supply of Raptor Lake parts on hand (once the initial spike in replacements has abated) to service warranties in the future.
I had a former boss (software developer) who had a rule of 3x. The new PC had to be 3x faster, 3x more memory, etc... to upgrade. And it wasnt that he was broke or cheap (he owned a Ferrari), he just felt that was what was enough to make it worth it.
@@TheSolarium18 Agreed. This was a while back when the pace of progress was considerably faster than it is now. I think 2x is a more reasonable mark now.
Sent my 13900K for RMA as it was experiencing the issues. Built a 7950X3D and love it. Runs so much cooler and core parking works great. Just as fast as 13900k. Will be interested to see when I get RMA replacement CPU.... I've heard it can be many weeks.
But that’s a flagship GPU that not everyone can afford. However yes even if you don’t own high-end hardware you definently can stick with your hardware for longer than 5 years before upgrading. Casual computer users that aren’t gamers should know that if their device ain’t broke and is supported, there is no need to fix it.
I am working on 2 PC builds, one for a friend's daughter and one for a different friend. Both have a different budget approach. The friend's daughter save up her money, and those parts are all shipping. The other friend wants to buy each part as he gets the money so he has the money dedicated. He still needs the GPU, hard drive(s), and power supply. The rest are hand-me-downs or new parts. The good news, his parts are not going to be obsolete for a while. Also, your eyes don't work in frame rate. That motion blur, it is the light fading from your retinas. Your retinas operate like memory cells, and light is what sets/refreshes the data.
Also the frame rate thing is kind of dumb bc even if we did see in 60fps there’s almost no way that the screen’s refresh rate would match up perfectly with our eyes. Real life looks so smooth because it happens at an infinite number of frames per second, so the higher the frame rate of our games the smoother it would look, even if we had choppy 60 fps vision (which we don’t)
Absolutely right on that upgrade schedule sync. A lot of people i know (me included!) Are building PCs. I'd be interested to see how your view counts fluctuate following this schedule. Here are my two cents: - Looming tariffs on china might cause sizeable price increases i want to avoid - prices on last gen things are beginning to drop as new gen approaches. Case in point: scored a remarkably low price ryzen 7800x3d as people are moving to the 9800 now. - you raised flight sim, but I raise you Monster Hunter Wilds and the notoriously poorly optimized demo that has people scrambling to upgrade prior to release - As you said yourself, everyone's covid builds are getting outdated. But adding to this, I also think there is a bit of fear around another gpu shortage and price increase thanks to PTSD from the crypto years. This probably won't be as much of a thing outside of tariff issues, but i imagine a lot of people want to stay ahead of the curve to avoid the fiasco from the last few gens. All of this to say, IMO now or very soon is the best time to build. Especially with black friday in a few days, there's a good chance you can beat the curve while avoiding risk, and still take advantage of generational changes and sales. If you wanr pure performance, the risk might be worth it, but with the unparalleled power of the 4090 I think sticking with safe and current gen components gets far more value without really missing performance. It also sets you up to beat the curve agsin, next "cycle".
I bought a 7950x3d and 4090 specifically so I can ride out a good couple years without upgrading. My old 5820k did 7 years happily with a 4.8ghz overclock running 😅
But you won't :) Three years from now the 7950x3d would be uncomfortably slow, the same way a 5800x3d s for high end right now :) Paying premium high end prices for future proofing is proven ineffective over and over again 😊
@mrctuned2844 its insane for all the things I need to do, not just gaming. But any game that'll use that cache...its insane having another 50+fps at times!
@@RGBeanie I had a 6800k (which is basically a 5820k) like 7 or 8 years ago and it"s SLOOOOOW by modern standards. Especially on competitive shooter games where you need to push high fps on order to be competitive. :)
Last few months I started seeing drops in my pc performance, with an i5 9600k and gtx 1660ti I was fine until a few updates ago, if ur like me definitely need an upgrade
That, and check their seller feedback rating over the past year, as I got a hell of a deal on an Powercolor AMD RX 6650 XT 8GB GPU last year on eBay, and the seller was excellent as the original got lost in shipping he had another on hand, and sent it instead.
i bought a new pc built for a great deal, the seller was very supportive and even sent me messages asking how the computer was working etc, he also sold another computer to someone else and the feedback from that person said he even helped them set up the gpu since i suppose it wasn’t set up yet, very great experience, and i’ve also bought a bunch of other stuff from ebay, usually the feedback + intuition is more than enough to buy without risk
I just upgraded to the 7950x3d because I got it for 650 including X670e mobo and 64gb 6000mhz ram. the only upgrade I need now is my 3070ti, ill wait for the 5090! also, My fav Sim/game is Flight sim and im so excited for 2024
just curious, do you feel the 64 gb of ram is worth it for you? i currently have 32 but i’m considering to upgrade, not just for gaming but i also do research for ai stuff, so i actually cap out my memory sometimes, but i guess im looking at it more in terms of gaming too?
@@pt-yt8322 I need 64gb of ram because i do a lot of flight sims and the new flight sim recommends 64gb if doing background tasks while gaming which I do! 32gb is still enough for 90 percent of people though. to be honest I kinda want another set of 64gb lol
@@pt-yt8322 usually a RAM increase feels like nothing changed. If you really need more RAM you are getting slowdowns or some other issue. I'd say 32 is probably fine...
that's the reason for the 12VHPWR turning into 12V-2x6 its a revision of the connector that's backwards compatable. To be clear, this is not a new cable, it is an updated change to the pins in the socket, which is referred to as 12V-2x6. the new 12V-2x6 connector has slightly shorter sensing pins while the conductor terminals are 1.5mm longer. This might not sound like a huge difference, but it matters in ensuring that the power cable has been properly connected to whatever device is going to be pulling power from your system's power supply.
mine is 2 years, just now updated to AM5 from AM4. Had my 5800X3D since Dec 2022, it was a great time while it lasted! Now on a brand new Ryzen 9700X and B650 board.
I totally agree with you: 30 years ago I was a tech in a computer store, and if a customer asked me if they needed to upgrade their machine I'd ask them what they needed it to do that it currently couldn't. I would tell them that if it did what they needed, there was no need to upgrade. (This made the boss nuts, but i told him that i was a tech, not a salesman so get one of the salesmen to tell lies, i wasn't going to do it.) But I'd also tell them that if they wanted to upgrade to something faster/ prettier/ better there was nothing wrong with that. Want is a perfectly good reason for an upgrade, as is need. I'm one of those running a 6700K that I built in 2016: 64GB of RAM, 1080, a Gigabyte watercooled board with a custom hard tube layout. It was a kicking machine. I upgraded the GPU with a 3070Ti (used) a couple of years ago, but now I'm looking to build a new one. Why? Because the processor that was kick-ass in 2016 won't run Win 11. Win 10 goes out of support next year, so... Time to upgrade! I don't think I'll need a 15th gen, but I'm hoping the 14900K comes down in price in the coming months.
Maybe consider linux, as gaming on it (apart from the anticheat goyslop i luckily don't even like anymore) is pretty seamless nowadays, and you could make a windows vm for those 1-2 programs that don't work on linux (such as logi's onboard memory manager) that you only need to use sometimes.
In the same boat with the CPU. 6700K was pretty good. I don't remember which GPU I put in when I built it, but upgraded to a Vega 56 pretty much on release. Other than that everything is as when I built the machine. Except I only have 16GB RAM. That's a massive bottleneck and is giving me problems all the time now. :D Plus the CPU prevents me from playing Path of Exile, which is the only game I care for. Not because it's *that* good, but because my computer just can't handle anything more modern either. On the other hand, I'm done with Windows and going Linux on my next build. Arch btw. (probably not Arch)
You obviously already know this, but im just posting it for people who dont understand why, undervolting and mildly underclocking that 14900K would probably get rid of all the decay issues.
I still have my i7 4790k. Was my first high-end CPU, upgrading from the FX-6300 that was my entry to actual PC gaming (I gamed on PC but mostly on old IBM Thinkpad playing MoHAA). Immediately delidded it and overclocked and undervolted it. Was great, even had TSX that you had to enable. I upgraded to a Ryzen 3900x, now needed to replace my PSU and GPU, so now I'm just going to reuse my 4790k for ML work.
Especially with the industry getting worse at optimizing every generation. Upscaling was a good idea when you only used it because you really needed it before but now it's becoming increasingly common to just have those be the recommended specs for a game and optimized around
@@slayerdwarfify it likely isn’t just poor optimisation, at least part of it is just using more intensive and visually impressive rendering techniques. Current hardware just can’t keep up with what the developers want to implement.
@@conorstewart2214 I just don't believe that, look at the witcher 3 and AC odyssey, 2015 and 2018. How much more beautiful is cyberpunk 2077? Or any other new game. Dragon's Dogma 2? Engines matters too of course but.. I can't see any greater improvements, if engines are worse and such then, why? UE5? Why not just stick to UE4 if 5 is worse. I think optimizations are worse, and people are getting worse at it after each generation. Could be because they are hiring 90% women, and 10% binary men or whatever you call it. Could be that each generation gets dumber? Could be that they just hire young uneducated people because they are cheaper. idk!? But obviously we can see a skill gap here.
@conorstewart2214 I'm not saying it's 100% on the devs but I also think hardware requirements are increasing much faster than the graphical improvements we are seeing and we are using upscaling as a band-aid. Many current games even have their requirements built around these upscaling techs. Whether it's down to corporations being corporations or the individual devs or a combination of both, I firmly believe optimization has taken a hit.
As an enthusiast I think it depends on the generational leaps for me, Currently have a 4090 and obviously don't need an upgrade any time soon but if the 5090 is a similar jump from 3090-4090 then I'll be very tempted to buy it, but if it's only 15-20% then maybe I'll skip a gen. I skipped 20 series entirely and went 3080 in 2020, then 4090 in 2022. CPU's are also interesting this time around, currently have a 7950x non 3D but i think a 50 series will definitely need more CPU horsepower, although 9000 series Ryzen seems a bit of a letdown will have to wait for X3D or see what Intel does with Core 9 Ultra. Interesting times ahead for sure, looking forward to all the content and coverage as always Jay👍
I had i7 6700k and nvidia 1080 for almost 8 years and stil has some fight in it... now i run i5 14600kf and 4080 super for the last year and i hope to keep it for at least 5 years more. (No present problems with 14600).
Went for a 2 core gt 780 in 2013, to a 4 core 2060 super in 2020 to a 7900x with a 3080 in 2022. My margins shortened due to pc gaming not on all low settings and seeing how far pcs had come. I was playing consoles mostly due to friends having said consoles before. My monitor now is my stop point for upgrading as it’s a 45 inch tv with a 60 hz refresh rate so more then 60-120 fps does nothing for me. I plan to put the last and best zen 5 into my current rig and the wife’s, that way I was in the latest socket now, and my future upgrade path is simple, and the tech will last for my needs for a long time.
Hoo boy the old "anything above 60fps isnt noticable" this has been a debate ive heard for ages. I remember Totalbiscuit ranting about it well over a decade ago at this point. fact of the matter is it is absolutely noticable for a lot of people so it does make a difference.
60fps is noticeable if you play on multicovers and the other guy has 120fps or more you going to get your ass kicked lol but not if you are a single player playing at 1080p @ 60fps. it all depends on how you play.
60 fps is definitely noticeable vs 90 but it's not worth another +50% performance to get it. You can do other things with that amount of performance that are way more impactful. This argument is for people that can afford the top of the line cards because they are already at max settings, they are already at amazing render resolutions, for them that jump from 60 to 120 fps like jay is talking about might be worth it. But when that jump could mean you get to play at 1440p DLSS Quality instead of 1080p DLSS Quality, or you get to turn on Path Tracing or something, you take the graphical improvement.
@@albert2006xp Exactly. Locked 60 fps is fine for any single player game. Visuals/image quality are usually more imprortant in this case. 90 fps with constant flickering (or just a blurry image) caused by lower resolution renderer vs 60 fps with pristine image quality. Would not even think about lowering the render resolution or graphics settings in this case to achieve higher framerates by ruining game atmosphere.
idk i just switched my rig up a bit new screen new cooler new gpu yes 5 years would be great to update or upgrade its to fast dropping or expenisive , and thats not bad at all the only problem is that people dont always have that kind of spare money. great channel keep up the good work
I upgrade on a greater than 10 year cycle. Last bought a Dell XPS 8700 in 2012 or 2013. Just upgraded to a custom build PC (Built by me) with a 9800x3d, B650, 32 GB of DDR5 6000 Rm, 4 TB NVME PCI4 gen Samsung 990. 360 AIO, Lian Li 216 case with tons of added Lian Li infinity and reverse infinity fans and RGB cables / accessories. Already had an 850w PSU but might upgrade to 1200w if needed. Still waiting on new GPU releases, will aim for top of AMD or maybe 5080 sort of range. Just got a 4k 240 hz ASUS QD-OLED as well. So 3k-4k overall cost when I'm done.
I am building my first desktop in a long time. Since high school. I appreciate your content. I am starting my build with a B650E-F and a Ryzen 9 7900x. I am waiting on November’s sales to get the next round of parts. I am leaning air cooled over liquid, but liquid may be unavoidable. We’ll see what shakes out.
upgraded from a Rampage iv extreme 1680v2 4.4Ghz from 2013 to a TUF GAMING Z790 14700kf 6.0Ghz in 2024 what a world of difference so it lasted me 11 years :D
My 9900k on a godlike with a 4090 is micro struttering in 4k 120hz and and 1440 super ultrawide. I got a good deal on a z790 godlike. Should I get a 14900ks? I have a custom loop btw.
Still running with a 970m asus laptop. Watching all these videos and deciding what to buy this December 2024. Any suggestions? I do play some VR games, dota and most importantly i am a graphic designer so need good support in photoshop, premier pro. Which build will have perfect balance 3k CAD
You're absolutely right! I'm still rockin my old i7-3770 paired with GTX 1070 and still getting 60+ FPS on most games I throw at it and can able to finish and do all productivity stuff as well.
My 15+ year old pc still runs 90% of the games and tasks that I throw at it. I am only upgrading because black ops 6 came out and wanted me to update my drivers. Problem was the most up to date drivers are still about 5 years out of date. If it wasn't for that, I could probably get another 5 or 10 years out of it.
Maaan every time I see your open chasis PC in the background... I just... I just want it so bad! 😄 the analogue gauges really do it for me. In all seriousness though, you're right we should be content with whay we've got if it's still doing what we want it to do
I must say...being broke sure does make these decisions significantly easier 🤣
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That's for sure, why I didn't upgrade for a long time till last year with 12th Gen Intel in my main rig when I finally had some spare cash, and catching some deals on a couple Lenovo laptops earlier this year with 12th gen intel.
@@CommodoreFan64 8700k and 3080ti still carrying my channel but on the real im gonna get the 9800x3d or whatever it ends up being called lol
@@ShadyMike don't blame ya, I still game on dual 24in monitors at 1080p 165Hz, so 12th Gen intel with a Powercolor AMD RX 6650 XT 8GB is more than enough for me, and my laptops being intel 12th gen do everything I need at work just fine, and I can't see myself upgrading them anytime soon even with DDR4 RAM.
Get a job or a second one ,solves all ur money problems
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The key to happiness is being content with what you have. If your computer does everything you need it to do then there's no reason to upgrade.
I don't think most people do upgrade every 5 years. I think most people don't upgrade until their system conks out. I think most people get more like 7-10 years out of a computer.
Im at my 8th year now. Planned upgrading the last 2, but then scalping happened.... 7700k with gtx1080
My lil bro is happier with a RX 6600 than i am with a 4090, I seek to be as zen as him lol
I upgraded a couple years ago to a 5800X CPU/5600XT GPU from an AMD 6300/GT630 2GB GPU that I built back in 2013. Current PC does everything I need it to and don't plan on upgrading until it craps out, if that's another 5 or 10 years then I'll still have this one until then.
Your logic is sound about the key to happiness, but we tend to always want more.
some of us have a serious problem with not being able to resist buying pc parts when they see a sale and are constantly upgrading lol.. its me, im talking about me.
I always wait a while before deciding whether it is worth changing or not and also so that they tell me which software is best for each processor.
The only thing I'm sure of is that Intel works better with Windows 11, of course, as long as you have it legal, and AMD works very well with any operating system.
If I get all my programs from BNH Software, I don't worry about it, but that Intel thing surprises me and I think it's fine.
My kids get my old stuff. When I got my 4080 my 3080 went to my oldest son and his 2080 went to his little brother.
same here, for all stuffs not just GPU 😊
Same I have three sons I roll old parts down too.
Having a dad buying 80 series card is such a blessing
you're unfair to the youngest if the older brother gets the best PC all the time. sure, younger might not need the best, but when they get old enough, that might be the case, and the youngest might complain
And what if I have ten sons?
I usually upgrade in a 2-step process. I change the whole system, keep it a few years, replace GPU and a few things to keep it fresh for a few other years, then when it's impossible to upgrade without a general bottleneck, change whole system again.
Me too, doing so it comes down to a complete new system every 8-10 years, depending on whats being developed during that time, and a new gpu every ~5-6 years. Im still running my i7 6700k and a 1080ti atm, waiting till end of october or maybe until 9800x3d launch to get a new build.
Same here, I just upgraded my i5 6600k and Rx 580 system. Ryzen 5 5600x and Rx6600 now, gonna run it until my gpu can't handle it, then upgrade the GPU until my CPU and handle any more. It'll hopefully be about 3-4 before a GPU upgrade and 7-8 years before another full system upgrade
Definitely depends on your use case and workload. You might not even need any incremental upgrades.
My previous build is from 2013/2014 and I only upgraded this year. I don't really even need to upgrade but just felt it was time.
4 steps here:
Monitor
Mouse/keyboard/mic/lights etc
CPU
GPU
With GPU's being much bigger and longer, I'd need to replace my entire PC case just to upgrade... As well as my PSU.
When in doubt - always choose LATER!
True. I bought my RTX 3070Ti WAY too soon and badly paid for it.
I wish I would have waited. The am5 platform is far from fleshed out. 1 min boot times or 14 sec boot times and instability. Problems I never had with intel ever. I cant wait for the new intel chips to drop so I can sell this setup on offerup/fb market.
Except for then it doesn't make sense.
Not necessarily true. I should have bought the 7800x3d a couple months ago. I kept hoping the prices would get even lower but it looks like they sold through their inventory and now it's just scalpers selling. Now I'm waiting on the 9800x3d and waiting a couple months for the first price drop.
I could have had my computer late spring/early summer for the price I wanted and now I'm looking at sometime after ces. Sometimes waiting isn't the answer.
@@natel7382That was my exact reason for choosing am4 in 2023. Got a 5800x3d thinking that it will last me until am5 matures a bit. I will make the jump at it's 2nd or 3rd gen
My pops runs an old q6600 with I think a 780 Gtx. He doesn’t ever want it upgraded as it’s been ultra reliable. It gets used every day. He plays Dawn of war. Empire earth and a few others from that age. I’ve offered hip upgrades and he’s said no don’t change it. Being content with what you have is a big lesson that we all should learn. I feel blessed as I have a 5800 x3d and a stock 3090. I unfortunately don’t have as much time to play as I used to but it’s awesome knowing it’s there ready to go when I’m ready.
I have used the 5 year rule for so long.....I am a gamer, so I tend to go about 4 to 5 years in between I just set aside PC funds to be able to build a top rig every time. It has worked well and not many games have made me upgrade any faster lately.
i hear this, im updating in the new year
Same. Same components from years ago and we’re both still better at every game than goofies that waste thousands of dollars a year for the newest components. That’s terrible budgeting on their end
Yep. I’m currently trying to replace my 9700k. Last year I moved from a 1070ti to a 4080. This CPU upgrade is needed badly 😂
@slyfer3k I kind of upgrade as I go usually, just swapping out parts here and there if they are compatible. But for the first time since 2016 I'm going to do a full new rig sometime next year.
Mainly because my current system is using a case from 2013 that is just dated now and I wanted to replace it which means removing all the internals. My AIO is also not working properly anymore And I want a general upgrade as well as I'm into pcvr and enjoy flight sim which as was mentioned in the video, is quite intensive. My 2080ti and ryzen 7 5800x have definitely been struggling with it in some areas particularly cities. Especially in vr. It's just a matter of how long do I wait to do it. Shall I wait for a specific release and should I stick with amd or go back to Intel? And I'm also a linux dual booter so do I stick with nvidia or go amd graphics
That rule might change when youre 60+
My thinking:
1. Never upgrade until there is a real need*. Waiting will always mean getting more for your money.
2. If you build a system with a mid-range or better CPU, then that system will do fine for two or maybe three generations of GPU.
Remember the money you don't spend on unnecessary upgrades, it will pay for lots of games or allow you to simply take time of work to enjoy life.
*Need can be postponed by playing those great 1-2 year old games you missed, but are great and now also dirt cheap to buy.
I work on computers that are 10 years old used by people that don't game. If you don't game on them you wouldn't even know they're that old. At most I've had to replace power supplies and fans with bearings that went bad and some keyboards and mice but that's it. Most people that do game can still run DDR4 systems and for significantly less they only lose about 10% to 15% performance. x86 is hot garbage.
To be honest, if you're running a rig built in the last 3 or 4 years, you're still set for a while. And to be frank, the last crops of games have been pure junk so I'm in no hurry to upgrade - especially with FSR 2 and FSR 3 being so good now with Frame Generation. And if there are new titles that _require_ say, Ray Tracing, I simply won't purchase it. Ez PZ.
I'm still on a build with 9700k and 3090, I'm JUST starting to feel the need to MAYBE upgrade the CPU if the 9800X3D is good. It's lasted a lot longer with a 4k screen.
Nah, my gtx 980 works well, I don't need an upgrade 😅
The games I love happen to be very gpu intensive. Hence my decision to buy a 4090
It was about not long before the 5800x3d was announced i had to upgrade my computer. The quad2core q6600 on 3.0 GHz and the GTX 450 were done after many years of great service.
I learned alot tweaking and tuning, keeping her running,she was a beast, competing with much new gen pc's.
Even now she has a comfy place in the living room being a play music and movies device.
Decided to go for AM4 instead of 5. Did not want to step in a new gen with more power usage and first-run-problems.
So glad i did .
Now i have a R5 5600 and a RX 6600 in a NV9.
It looks great, very beautiful, i can run every game or sim i want too play, low wattage and more.
Spend most of the budget on my friends, having great times together.
Be well all
Key tip I learned is to stop watching hardware related videos or benchmarks immediately after you build your PC or upgrade. Go back to reviews when you search for new stuff, not before!
yeah watching tech related vids makes me want to buy a gpu for the sake of getting one, not because i need it for my personal use
My rules of thumb. Don't upgrade unless there is a need, or something is incredibly cheap (but not a scam) and nothing is due soon to replace it. If what you got is doing a good enough job, but you would like better, wait for the next relevant release if in the next few months.
True. Plus a friend of mine has this saying: Hot multiplayer games usually run on basically everything. Triple A single player games require decent specs BUT you could play them years later since they aren't multiplayer. Plus you'll get the games themselves cheaper. :)
Plus a lot of the new games coming out are what I'd consider "AAA Shovelware" if that makes sense.
Overhyped, overpromised, underwhelming.
@@jeffb.6642 its all woke trash now all the devs are purple haired women at ubisoft. Rockstar is the only one who makes a good game these days they don't put out trash.
This but also don't be like me and go 12 years without upgrading the CPU lol
Just bought a pc with 64gb ram, 12700k with 3080ti for 700$. My old computer was 8gb ram with 1070 so I felt the upgrade immediately.
I put off my upgrade for a about 5-6 years and then got a great bundle deal on my 5800X3D and paired it with 7800XT. Old setup was a 8600k with a Titan X Maxwell. I mostly sim race.
4790K with 8GB DDR3 with a GTX 970 to a 5800X3D 64Gb DDR4 and a 3080Ti, Time saves money for sure.
@@kyzer6666 and now some places want more for just the chip than what I paid for the CPU/Mobo combo lol.
Yep I’m building a 5800x3d too and waiting things out
@@PontiacKid2 I got a bundle 5800X, 16Gb DDR4 and a Asus TuF mobo, sold the 5800X and the ram to fund the X3D chip and 64Gb Corsair ram which was super easy and made enough to fund my choice parts with onyl having to add some extra to pay it off. Sadly my GPU was a horrible time to buy with the mining boom and scalpers making buying anything worthwhile almost impossible.
Sim race ...... Jesus, what went wrong in your life.
I recently upgraded my computer and don't regret it. I had a Intel 6 core (8th gen I think) and DDR 4. I was debating a semi upgrade by staying within DDR 4 or a major by going DDR 5. I saw a bundle at Micro Center for AMD 7950x3D, motherboard, and RAM for $740. Got it and have had to deal with dry mouth because my jaw keeps hitting the ground with how much things improved. If you want to wait do that. Be smart with your money.
I am running an 8th gen with a 3090 24/365 at 250 watts from the wall. That is 2,191.5 KWH @ $0.20/KWH OR $438.3/YR. What could I replace it with?
@@dyson9422 your state or the whole country 😅 that is very expensive electricity tariffs
I had a ryzen 2600 and was waiting for ryzen 9000 series to upgrade but after I saw the reviews I picked up a heavily reduced 7950x and it was a big improvement and I still don’t regret it over the 9950x.
@@dhofari9009 Wish we had 0.20/kwh here in Europe. Germany has over 0.30/kwh, only recently dropping to 0.24 which is considered cheap here 😬
7700K w/ 1080ti here just waiting patiently
7700k w/ 1070 🫡
2700x / 1060 (6g)
Gang
3900x w/ 1050Ti here waiting for some real good sales on BF 😄
i5-9400 with 2060 here
My EVGA GTX 1080 is still going strong with zero issues since I bought it back in 2018, all I have to do is turn down shadows to medium in most games for higher FPS. Even The First Descendant runs well on it at high settings 1080p. I'm kinda waiting to see if the 5000 series will be decent.
EVGA cards will last upwards a decade easily. My GTX 580 still works. Never been re-pasted either.
@@The_CadaverI wish EVGA would return to the GPU market...
you are perfect for an upgrade. I have a 1080 in my youngest sons PC 60Hz 1080p and he plays roblox, minecraft easily. Its not a great card for newer games though at all.
Evga 1080Ti black sc still running strong.
@@Svante TBH EVGA is the only GPU manufacturer I trust. Gonna be rough when my 3090 starts showing its age in 2030.
I watched your videos when I built my first pc! Seeing airflow with incense was genius!
What are your specs?
Oh that's a cool idea. I always held up a lighter to see which way the flame was going 😅
I just upgraded a few months back to the 7900 GRE, because I switched from 1080p to 1440p and my old GPU wasn't pushing enough FPS.
I'm very happy with my upgrade choice, the 7900 GRE is a beast.
Just got mine a week ago, its absolutely a monster for the price
Agreed I have a 6900xt and I'm still super happy with it. Pushing Warhammer to 100 - 115fps on maxed settings 1440p. So many people sleep on amd. Nividia is the apple of the gaming world now. They literally don't give to craps about the customer anymore.
Great value card in this day and age of absurdly expensive graphics cards.
I also upgraded to a 7900gre a few months back, went from a hd 6670 and a i5 4460 to a 3060/5600x and went NAW I WANT MORE so I grabbed a 7900gre and a 5800x3d :^)
@@nicholaswilkerson501I am curious seeing that high fps on such card. Tell me please what CPU you have and if you play with fake fps generator 😇
Glad you mentioned us 10 year cycle people, I'm still on an i7 4790k + GTX 970 + 32gb 4×8 2400MHz DDR3 + MSI Mpower Z97. I also went overkill (at the time) and got an 850W PSU, so hopefully that'll be enough power for a new midrange system...
Whoa I'm almost on the same rig... just i7 4790, GTX970 and only 16gb ram cause my mobo can only hold 2. I'm in this video rn cause I'm looking to upgrade soon.
I built this budget PC just so I could play Monster Hunter World. And now I'm gonna have to build a new one so I could play Monster Hunter Wilds next year.
I have an update!
I bought a PC off of craigslist from someone who quit gaming. It's got an i7-11700k and an Asus ROG 3080 all for $740. So far it runs everything butter smooth at 1440p I'm super satisfied. I highly recommend going the used route.
@@168ajk That's a crazy good deal. That's what the 3080 itself cost when it came out 4 years ago, so assuming the rest of the parts cost about the same total, that's a 50% saving in terms of perf/$ compared to buying new.
My computer is almost 4 years old and, my current GPU Graphics card is a GTX 970 like yours, which is over 10 years old and it runs on most games that, I play that could handle my Graphics card specs like on, older games some games I could play on high settings, it was crazy you'd be amazed and surprised, with what you can do on this card. However because of the age of the card, it did start to quickly give me lag spikes, that lasted up to 2 seconds and it did it once every so often, it wasn't anything major later down the road, miraculously the lag literally stopped and disappeared it was like a miracle come true. I forgot to mention that my video card also started, to freeze my computer for a little while, then it focused back on track later in time that also stopped as well. I just bought a 3440x1440p Ultra Wide Monitor this year, most of the time I played retro Doom mod wads with the GTX 970, which I was pretty much satisfied with that for a while. Since I bought a 3440x1440 Ultra Wide monitor, I knew that this monitor is meant to be played on a 1440p video card. Then I realized that it was time to finally upgrade my graphics card and I decided to get the ASUS ROG Strix Geforce RTX 4070 Ti Super OC Edition 16 GB. Some people are very fussy on FPS, they need an urge to upgrade all the times, all you really need to do is lower your settings try it and test it out, however if you're still lagging at the lowest settings, then I would consider upgrading your whole PC gaming rig. Or you could just stay and play Doom wads, they may say that you're missing out, on certain technology but its also not cheap, to upgrade into getting the latest and greatest its what you can afford, and there's no need to be keeping up with the Joneses.
Bought new parts for my brothers PC yesterday. Had a spare 3080 laying around so he gets that one with a 7800x3D, 2tb ssd and 32gb ram for about 1600 dollars. Purely for gaming. Right now his only "PC" is a crappy decade old laptop. He tried to play the Finals on it and it was a complete mess. So I finally managed to persuade him that he needs a new PC. Before this he always said naaa my laptop is fine. He will also get a new keyboard and monitor. It will be fun to see him experience the upgrade haha
That's going to change his life.
"Had a spare 3080 laying around" damn dude way to flex on them brokies xD, also 3080 is a fire card
You’re a great sibling 🙏🏽
How does one just have a "spare" 3080 laying around. . . I want this power
@@peterbadenhorst8210 my guess is he upgraded from the 3080 to a 40 series card and still had the 3080
In my experience, most people with God Tier PCs play super simple games (like RuneScape/older titles) that require the most minimum specs(in today’s standard), and if not that then they genuinely work so much/have family’s to tend to that they actually have barely anytime to play on said PCs.
Rich kids playing Fortnite and Roblox
I have a god tier PC and I mainly need more performance for things like sim racing. Would love more power to get either triple screen 4k 120 or even more power for a 120 fps high graphic VR sim racing experience.
You are definetly correct in that you don't need these new crazy cards just to play a regular video game, even if its super high graphics. These new cards/cpus really help with other technologies like VR>
@Marines1945
Amazingly put. I've upgraded from a Ryzen 3600/RX 580 to a 7950X3D/7900 XTX last month after 5 years. My favorite games? Rimworld, Skyrim, a few RTS...
Built it mostly to play Skyrim with extremely demanding ENBs.
Me
it's the same with owning a Ferrari, barely any time to drive it around.
Perfect timing of this for me. Thanks for the vid!
I love keeping my parts for as long as possible. Had a HAF 932 case from 2009 to 2022. 13 years and then upgraded to a 011 EVO case for a 4090 GPU. Had my Z5500 speaker system from 2008 until this year.
As a console player who recently jumped to the PC gaming. I'm honestly happy about 60fps, heck I would even take a game running at 40fps etc... I got so used to console gaming at 30fps on my 4K tv that anything above that is an improvement
I remember twenty years ago 30 FPS was the gold standard, and the consensus was that anything less than 27 frames was interpreted by the brain as a series of still images while over that you had smooth, full motion animation. How the goalposts have moved.
Eventually you will want MOAR as we all do!
Oddly as I get old I'm OK with 1080P, Ultra, 60FPS with zero stutters. When my computer slows down I often don't mind going down to high, turning off Ray Tracing, etc.
Thing is with PC is you get used to what you have been used to until your eyes seen more and better the going back to 60 fps look like a drag
I said this about starfield, and then I played it on PC at 1440p 120fps
I tend to buy car parts these days so my PC is still a Titan XP and a 5600x but my car is on it's way to make 400whp 😆
Cars are so much more exciting I have been putting most of my money towards are 1969 Mach 1 Ford Mustang restoration the PC is going on 7 years since I last updated it.
Shhh don't tell people that....
@@Yan1nc what kind of car is it??
400 wheel??? Sounds like you need to sell the pc for more car parts
Lol, I'm getting to the age where I can identify my limits. Got my car to 300rwhp (Australian turbo manual ute) and realised that it's more powerful than my ability to drive it safely, so calling it done. I'm pretty much at the same point with PC games, where I'm well and truly at my skill ceiling and I'm comfortable with my skill level, and a more powerful PC ain't getting me any higher.
So I'm at the sweet spot for both of those money / time sinks for me.
Home improvements, well, that's the new frontier. Got the gear aquistion syndrome transfered over to power tools and woodworking. I'll be set for a while.
For someone who has a RTX 3070, I'm waiting till I see the performance/value for the RTX 5080. This way I'll decide if it's worth upgrading it. Another way I see upgrading is if I see a performance greater than >80%. Anything between 70% - 79% depends on the value. All less than 69% isn't worth the time.
I just upgraded my 3070 to a ti super.
4080 is 93% stronger according to techpowerup, and there's also the 4090, so I guess you mean 80% more performance for the same price paid on the old card?
Lets be real, nvidia performance gating will make the 5080 a 10% fps/$ improvement over a current 4080S @ $1000 and a 0% improvement over a heavily discounted (in their eyes) 4080S @ $900
If a 5080 is 132% the perf of a 4080S and costs $1200
1000 x 120% price = 120% equal value performance
120 x 1.1 = 10% more performance per dollar = 132% perf
Reduce 4080S to $900
$900 = 3/4 $1200
132% × 0.75 = 0.99 the relative value
It is greater than 80 percent. The 5080 has 10 to 15 % more speed than a 4090, which already surpasses the 3070 by 140%
I upgraded to a 4090 from the 3070 and while its great, its not THAT incredible since you can already do most things a high settings 60FPS, everything above that is convenience
16:45 LOL I feel called out. I've been looking to upgrade my 2016 build with a 6700K and GTX 1080 since about 2021, but at 8 years old now there are quite a few games that just don't hold up at 1440p. Your video helped reassure me that my choice of 13600K and 4070 Ti Super are sufficient to get me through at least another 6 years, even if it basically means building a new PC from scratch.
Just got a 1440p OLED.. WOW . If you have old monitor(s) I highly suggest look into the monitor upgrade. (edit) My old main monitor was a 1080 TN panel.
OLEDS are a game changer
Changing into a oled monitor sure is a gamechanger, but is it really worth the 1,3k euro price? that is like 50%-70% of a montly salary.
I am still using a 1080p 27" monitor that still has a dvi connector. I upgraded to a 4080 after being on a 1070 for so long. So i will need a monitor soon.
@@dereus7773MSI makes a 1440p 360hz .03ms response time OLED monitor for like 610-620 euros.
I'm gonna grab an Oled during the holiday season I think. It's been on my list for a while and finally almost ready to pull the trigger as soon as I see a nice sale.
I'm debating on an ultrawide 1440p but at the same time with games just becoming more demanding/unoptimized I'm not sure I want to push things any further than just the 16:9 1440p I have now. The Oled part is a for sure though
I'm still running my 6700k, Gtx 1080, and they're definitely showing their age. I'll probably upgrade soon. but still runs a lot of games in my steam backlog pretty well.
Here I am with my gtx 960 💀
i5 2320 12 gb ddr3 ram. No gpu😆😂
As long as there's games in your backlog that your current hardware can play, you can postpone upgrading and save money
@vampyrkiller what does that 12GB ram do bro 😄
@@LoneWolf-tk9em Chrome browsing 😂
"I have two daughters and a wife, and I what's it like" that killed me.
You can upgrade them too
It's true! Spitting straight facts.
That was definitely a cry for help guys
Jay did a video similar to this, what, about two years ago? One thing that was pointed out then was the compatibility issue. Any new adopters are a form of beta testers. I decided at that moment to build a top spec system from the ending generation. They'd been "tested" for some time with all needed patches and fixes and the costs of that generation had just started dropping. I've not had an issue with it. Yes, it was DDR4 and old socket but by the time I'd need to update the next gen issues will be worked out.
That last sentiment I fear may never be true again but I am beyond glad I haven't dealt with DDR5 and the 40 series!
People often forget a simple reinstall of their OS, or upgrade of their existing system can easily extend the life of the existing system.
Yeah until, since you're going through the trouble anyway, you want to install Win11 on your Win10 system, but you can't because no TPM...so you start researching motherboard and CPU combos, which is when you realize you can't use your trusty DDR4 RAM anymore, so now it's a MB+CPU+RAM upgrade...yeah.
Very true. My old boss did say to me he copied all the install files for every bit of software he had on to his NAS and re-installed his O/S every few years and got a lot more life out of his machines.
16:43 I had an i7-5820K until last month, I had it overclocked as much as I could with my AIO water cooler to 4.5GHz. Now, I've replaced it with a Ryzen 7 9700X, and man, there is a huge performance difference, and the heat coming from the PC is about half as much. The next thing I need to update is my GPU, I have a GTX 1070, so I'm considering waiting for an RTX 5060, I only play at 1080p 144Hz, so I don't think I need more than a 60 for 1080p nowadays
We probably won't see the 5060 until March or maybe later. I think there are plenty of awesome budget 1080p cards out there that could make you much happier, much faster.
tbh with how much bad optimized the recent games are, you should be happy if 5060 can even run new games at 1080p 60fps native, Monster Hunter Wilds requirements are a 4060 with freme gen to hit 60fps in 1080p medium settings, there's tons of shit visuals because of over using upscalers too, some times looks like I'm playing without my glasses (I have myopia)
Fellow 5820k owner haha. I used it for 7 years 😂
I still have my 5820k,
seems like AMD would be the better choice for you if only looking at a 60 class card
4:25 Not trying to be "that guy," especially after what happened in the Star Wars video... But all the RTX 4090 and even 4080 in my country all sold out after Black Myth: Wukong came out. It was even reported on the news that this game singlehandley pushed a new wave of hardware upgrades. And no, I am not Chinese.
Is that game really that good? I wanna see what my master 4090 does. ✌️
Biggest upgrade you can get is likely not a new gpu, but a good OLED with decent HDR. And SIZE plays much more of a role than you think. I finally convinced a lifelong pc gamer friend of mine to get an LG C4 42" TV for his DESK. He had a 1000€ pc monitor before, but when I set up the new TV for him, he said it looked ridiculously better than before and the size is a bigger way to increase immersion than any bump in framerate ever could.
I'm part of the " Wait until you need to upgrade" crew. With that reason being Windows 10 support dies for my current setup next year. My hardware is definitely not supported for Windows 11. I'm on the old Intel 4th Gen I7-4790K and AMD 580. My system is just over 10.5 years old. I'm looking to upgrade to a whole new system this upcoming Holiday Sales Season. I'm going with an AMD AM5 Motherboard and still undecided on a GPU. Debating on waiting for the new Nvidia 5000 series, or picking up a near sold out 4080/4090 series GPU. I do know for sure I'll be watching a ton of JayzTwoCents videos to make a decision. Thanks for the content
Same boat...Skylake Z170 here, so it's looking like CPU+MB+RAM time.
Same boat as you but I think I'm going with the 6750 XT because of the price to value. I can always save up for a better card later but I don't need more than that.
A big thing to consider: New graphics cards will be running on PCIe Gen 5, which 99% of older motherboards do not support. Even if you upgraded to something with DDR5, your PCIe slot is likley still PCIe gen 4. So, if you are trying to "future proof" yourself, make sure you get a board with gen V support for the GPU slot. Some will deceive you saying they support pcie gen 5 but its only for the top m.2 slot. This happened to me when I bought an Aorus EX elite b650 board thinking I'd be good for the future. Only the B650E boards support gen V GPUs. I would recommend grabbing a b650e, or if you find a good deal, one of the new x670 boards, then you can still find a good deal on a 7800x3d when the new x3d chips launch and people are upgrading.
They said that about Gen 4, but I had a great time running my RX 6600XT on a PCIE Gen 3 board.
You can still run your card fine on PCIE gen 4…
@@NahBNah how could you possibly know this when the new cards aren't out yet
I hope this isn’t the case. Was planning on buying a 5070ti when it comes out. I dont feel like upgrading my b760M-A AX
Current GPUs are nowhere near the limit of PCI-E 4.0. Moreover, even 4090 looses just a couple % of fps when switching from PCI-E 3 x16 to PCI-E 4 x16.
I bet 5090 will behave the same way in case of PCI-E 4 x16 vs PCI-E 5 x16. 5080 will not even feel.the difference, let alone lower tier cards.
The only ones who might need to worry are those, who will get cards with cut down PCI-E slots. 8 lanes and especially 4 lanes may cause issues.
I upgraded to a 4790K about 4 years ago for my main PC, I have a laptop (12600K) and a new PC (13600), the difference between them in the workloads I perform is around one second, My biggest jump came from up grading my I5 to I7 - which affected the splash screen..
Simplest way to get more performance - clean install
Clean install, lobotomize all the background programs, disable all auto updates and associate your audio driver with a single core.
Still running an FX6300 and a 1050ti. Those 16GB of DDR3 I got back in 2015 sure paid off. I'.ve upgraded everything around it, from screen to UPS.
11:36 Check retailers too. I got my XFX 6950 XT from Memory Express here in Canada for the MSRP of a 4070 FE ($850). This was shortly after reviews were coming out for the 4070's launch.
Edit: It was brand new in packaging.
I'm finally going back to a desktop, after many years on laptop. I've been an OTR trucker the last 10 years, and I've finally gotten fed up with living on the road. So I'm applying/looking for local work. I've been ordering a bunch of stuff, now that I can afford it, to overhaul my room at home and build my ideal setup.
Got a bunch of new furniture, and I'm in the process of building a sort of HTPC setup with a full tower, and an eventual 85" TV. Got just about everything I need except the guts for my PC, a Sony Bravia 9, and a nice 5.1.2 surround setup. Just waiting for some stuff like Intel and Nvidia to launch their stuff, or for promotions/sales on other stuff.
Kinda just going balls to the wall, as I've never really had the opportunity before to go high end. Grew up in poverty, and I only changed that for myself by working my ass off over the road trucking lol. No rush, gotta wait on some stuff.. But I can't say I'm not a little giddy with excitement lol.
With everything being "bleed edge" and "flagship" I shouldn't have to worry about upgrading again for an good 5 to 6 years, maybe more. Probably just wait for Micro LED and 8k support to become more of a thing...😅
How did you like OTR trucking? I'm looking to get into that because I don't know where else to find better money with no degree
It's alright, more of a lifestyle choice than a typical career. It can depend on the company, and a lot of guys tend to jump around like fleas looking for the "greener grass." All depends on the individual.
I'm aiming for local work now as the pay scale and work/life situation is better than OTR. Most local outfits like garbage, towing, dump truck, pay hourly with time and a half for overtime. Most offer the same comprehensive benefits as OTR.
I won't advocate for or against OTR. It's worthwhile trying out if your looking for a bit of adventure, and depending on the company the pay can be lucrative. But it can also be an extremely stressful job too with long hours, limited home time, and dealing with all the varying conditions encountered over the road. It's one of the top ten most dangerous careers a person can work for a good reason.
0:49 as someone who usually listens to this videos on its phone wearing earbuds I cant put music on, wondering if people who watch on pc actually put on music…
Hey Jay and team, long time viewer here. Built my first PC in 2020 and then 2nd one November of 23. Mainly for MS Flight Simulator. It would be great if you could include the sim your tests of processors, graphics cards, and memory and then display that on graphs like you normally do. This sim and now with 2024 about to release has been the most popular by far and seeing a comparison of the sim against other AAA titles like Cyberpunk would be helpful I think to a lot of people wondering what hardware they should get. I myself didn't realize that msfs 2020 doesn't utilize multiple cores very well and with a 7800x3d and 7900xtx GPU the CPU is the bottleneck because of how it was programmed. Had I have known this ahead of time I may have waited to build another full rig until 2024 came out. Anyway, love the vids and keep up the good work
PC gaming is really my only vice and hobby. I play golf and go fishing and other stuff. However, I don't do those very often. Golf maybe once a month, fishing every 90 days. Gaming is my main hobby. So I always get an upgrade each generation of CPUs and GPUs IF THERE IS A NOTABLE INCREASE IN PEEFORMANCE. I take my older stuff and put it in my wife's PC and I have a buddy that buys what was in her PC and I sell it to him under the going price. I recoup a some of my money. My buddy, my wife, and me are all happy. It is a beautiful thing.
AMD : ''So you will buy our 0% improvement gaming performance last chips right? RIGHT?''
Joke aside, I hope for AMD's bottom line and overall technology improvements that their upcomming CPUs have a significant gaming improvement, because the last ones were were pretty bad.
After adjusting like for like, only in a few niche tasks were there efficiency improvements. And not gaming.
It really is a beautiful cycle
I just got my 3080 and extremely happy with it 😊
good job! was it new or used?
you should be. it's a very good card.
Why do people always say this? Wouldn't you want to get a 5080 if you could
@@GForceIntel immature mindset.
@@GForceIntelprobably because it is cheaper and they can get it right now but idk
I just bought a 4070ti Super on Amazon the other day. Upgrading from a 2060.
What cpu are you using?
@@MrMaelvis Ryzen 7 5800x
@@FoMobileGaming ok..thanks. I still have a 9600k and thinking of upgrading my GPU but Im afraid of buying an expensive card then getting limited by my cpu.
I’m watching this one through Jay. My 12900k burnt up with instability and degradation. Right out of the warranty window. I bought that one 2 months before the 13900k. Should I buy the 14900k to replace it or wait? Let’s find out.
@@MovieGasm i assume you had a good thermal solution and you did used xmp and had a asus board.. did you set your voltages manually ...did you change pl1 pl2 ... whats your motherboard??
0:11 screwing it all is only an option if your Zesus
Crazy. I was about to recommend the 7800x3d but it is currently at $700 at most stores. 3 months ago I got the cpu, ram and mobo for the same price as the processor itself today.
You in the US? Walmart currently has them for $400 new. Newegg has them for $500.
Check your local computer store if you have one. My local store had a ton at MSRP for pick-up only.
I got a bundle off of newegg the 7800x3d for $366.80, Gigabyte b650 Gaming X AX for 179.99, and Corsair Ram for $112.99. Total bundle I paid $659.78 (luckily it was a tax free weekend so I also saved about 7% on taxes too. Right now from newegg that same exact combo is $979.97 plus tax where I live makes it $1,048.57. I basically saved $388.79 because I bought the bundle BEFORE the prices sky rocketed on the 7800x3d. Looking at it now it looks like the MOBO is the same price as the bundle deal and the ram is cheaper than what I got it for. That being said the cpu over doubled in price so i'll take the W. Upgrading is fine just know when to hold em and know when to fold em. I got lucky and bought at the perfect time.
I blame HUB.
@@mckinleyostvig7135out of stock
Well, I actually need to upgrade because I have a 1440P monitor and a 3060, and at high settings it's struggling. As you said, everyone has different standards. By my standards, that's not enough. I need more power and VRAM, but Nvidia is forcing us to buy the top-end GPUs if we want more VRAM.
6:29 Magix Vegas Pro and yes it does. Highly recommend it as it has come a long way and still has the fastest most professional timeline to work with. Why open up so many apps adobe, when you can just get it all done in one peace of software. It being cheaper doesnt hurt ether.
As someone who is still running a 6700k, I appreciate the shout out.
2011 3570k here, chain crashing on counter strike, I think time has come XD
I’m just now upgrading from my 6700k and 1070 😂
6700k, I am running a basic 6700
Exactly what I have. But yesterday I just purchased a ryzen 7 9700x, am5. Let's see what has changed.
6600k here bottle-necking a 1660 Super. 😅
I went 16 years 😂😂.... then i built 5 PCs in this last year alone thanks largely in part to this channel. Thanks Jay
Then everyone clapped
@@temperedglass1130 Then they all fall down
I went 30 years and then built four this last year and thanks to Jay to a great degree. I got the water cooling bug from him
My last computer was a 386.
@@walterrankin200 Holy guacamoooley. I had one of those waaay back in the day
I think it's going to be the right time. Going from my 1080 Ti FE. I got it day one for $699 MSRP. It's still holding up. It is the best card they have ever manufactured, in my opinion, they went so far ahead at that time. I think maybe a new build with a 5090.
That's going to be a huge upgrade but be prepared to fork 2000+ dollars. although with all that time you got out of the 1080ti I imagine you've saved enough.
@@enmanuel1950 Yeah I'm happy with how it's ran. Many thousands of hours, not an issue.
@@ZX6RBrianHopefully you invest in a great display.
@@ZackSNetwork Yes. I bought the ACER Predator XB270HU day one for $699. 27" - 2560x1440 144hz IPS panel with G-Sync 3 MS response. I also have the XB273HU Which is almost identical but 1MS, basically just the newer model. I plan to buy the newest model that is 4K at 144hz or maybe 165 or if they have a 240hz by then. IPS, G-Sync 1MS.
Well, you nailed it, MSFS 2024 is the reason I decided to upgraded. It has been a while, I currently have a z390 motherboard and 8th gen I9 along with an nvidia 2080ti and 32g DDR4. It did okay with MSFS 2020 but frame rates were nothing to write home about and my detail settings were pretty low. I started by getting an additional 32g of DDR4 and a new 4080 super. MSFS 2020 improved noticeably. But now I've got the bug! I'm going with a 7800x3d, a x650E motherboard, and 64g DDR5. I've never gone bleeding edge with my build and this seems to be a good time to upgrade considering there are some pretty good deals on these components. Great video!
I'm on a 15 year cycle... Core i7 920. Been too busy raising my kids to game. Will be upgrading shortly since it is giving me problems booting.
Tri channel was amazing.
Consider replacing your power supply if you want to save money. If it's 15 years old that is the most likely problem.
@@kevinerbs2778 dude with my old 965x i actually had a whopping 48GB of ram back in 2011, that was absolutely fucking insane
heck i don't think intel mainstream CPU's actually supported more than 32GB of ram after 1st gen all the way up until 6th or 7th gen...
O.G. i7 was way ahead of its time
Thats most likely a dead copastor in the power supply 15 years is extremely old for power supply are you getting rapid heating or power cycling.? if so, you need a new power supply. You can tell if you're getting power cycling because your fans will ramp up and down or just suddenly stop on startup.
Your PC can almost buy beer in Canada!
Always, always wait. Never ever buy new gen stuff, 13 and 14th gen Intel CPU are testament to that.
It's hard to say for how long though since 13th gne's issues only became well known in the last few months, like a year and a half after they came out. But pretty much every CPU or GPU launch has problems for the first few months these days. Last time we had a smooth launch without problems in tech was probably GTX 10 Series
Ironically, Alder Lake was the first generation I ever saw where they made it more unreliable in subsequent generations on the same architecture 😂
nope the most effective buying method is to buy current gen for max value
Yeah great advice, forgot about the crypto mining boom? It has happened twice already. You could get a 3080 for about 900€ at the time when Ampere was first introduced and a short while later it was like 1400-2000€. And this was the case for 2 years before prices went down. So no, you can't say that in general.
At some point you need to buy something 😂
My theory is Arrow Lake is going to be one of their best generations of processors. If the 13th and 14th generations were just overclocked versions of 12th generation, what were they doing with all their time and resources? Arrow Lake will either be really good or the beginning of the end.
We ll see let's hope so.. Intel is in real trouble now.
Unfortunately they were firing people and increasing shareholder profits, I would like to see an awesome product but honestly it will probably just suck less.
@@jootai I think Intel has the v-min shift issue all sorted out now. And if they didn't, they are providing warranty coverage for the next 5 years! They will keep a gppd supply of Raptor Lake parts on hand (once the initial spike in replacements has abated) to service warranties in the future.
Great video Jay, and no, it wasn't a duuurrrr one! You laid things out simply and clearly....as always!
2:25 legit made me spray my coffee...
I had a former boss (software developer) who had a rule of 3x. The new PC had to be 3x faster, 3x more memory, etc... to upgrade. And it wasnt that he was broke or cheap (he owned a Ferrari), he just felt that was what was enough to make it worth it.
Not a bad philosophy, I follow the same except at least 2x instead of 3x.
3x is pretty hardcore in modern standards
@@TheSolarium18 Agreed. This was a while back when the pace of progress was considerably faster than it is now. I think 2x is a more reasonable mark now.
@@jasonhurdlow6607 it would take a while to double the 5800x3d performance, not even triple
@@EVR1AL Yeah, that's what I'm running, and yeah, it'll take a while.
Sent my 13900K for RMA as it was experiencing the issues. Built a 7950X3D and love it. Runs so much cooler and core parking works great. Just as fast as 13900k.
Will be interested to see when I get RMA replacement CPU.... I've heard it can be many weeks.
Exactly the video I needed to watch, exactly when I needed to watch it. Thank you.
1:13 5-year cycle (checks 1080Ti release date) ummm no xD
But that’s a flagship GPU that not everyone can afford. However yes even if you don’t own high-end hardware you definently can stick with your hardware for longer than 5 years before upgrading. Casual computer users that aren’t gamers should know that if their device ain’t broke and is supported, there is no need to fix it.
1080Ti is GOATed
I am working on 2 PC builds, one for a friend's daughter and one for a different friend. Both have a different budget approach. The friend's daughter save up her money, and those parts are all shipping. The other friend wants to buy each part as he gets the money so he has the money dedicated. He still needs the GPU, hard drive(s), and power supply. The rest are hand-me-downs or new parts. The good news, his parts are not going to be obsolete for a while.
Also, your eyes don't work in frame rate. That motion blur, it is the light fading from your retinas. Your retinas operate like memory cells, and light is what sets/refreshes the data.
Also the frame rate thing is kind of dumb bc even if we did see in 60fps there’s almost no way that the screen’s refresh rate would match up perfectly with our eyes. Real life looks so smooth because it happens at an infinite number of frames per second, so the higher the frame rate of our games the smoother it would look, even if we had choppy 60 fps vision (which we don’t)
2:19 HAHAHAHAHAHAHHJAJHAJAHJAHJ i love you Jay
Absolutely right on that upgrade schedule sync. A lot of people i know (me included!) Are building PCs. I'd be interested to see how your view counts fluctuate following this schedule. Here are my two cents:
- Looming tariffs on china might cause sizeable price increases i want to avoid
- prices on last gen things are beginning to drop as new gen approaches. Case in point: scored a remarkably low price ryzen 7800x3d as people are moving to the 9800 now.
- you raised flight sim, but I raise you Monster Hunter Wilds and the notoriously poorly optimized demo that has people scrambling to upgrade prior to release
- As you said yourself, everyone's covid builds are getting outdated. But adding to this, I also think there is a bit of fear around another gpu shortage and price increase thanks to PTSD from the crypto years. This probably won't be as much of a thing outside of tariff issues, but i imagine a lot of people want to stay ahead of the curve to avoid the fiasco from the last few gens.
All of this to say, IMO now or very soon is the best time to build. Especially with black friday in a few days, there's a good chance you can beat the curve while avoiding risk, and still take advantage of generational changes and sales. If you wanr pure performance, the risk might be worth it, but with the unparalleled power of the 4090 I think sticking with safe and current gen components gets far more value without really missing performance. It also sets you up to beat the curve agsin, next "cycle".
As frankie said; the human eye doesn’t see in frames per second
I got a very good deal on 5700X3D and 3080Ti. My next upgrade will be decided by GTA VI perfomance 😅
its gonna launch on consoles so you wont be able to play it on pc for half a decade lol
GTA6 or HL3?
I also have 3080ti and it works well there is no games for need to upgread now
I bought a 7950x3d and 4090 specifically so I can ride out a good couple years without upgrading. My old 5820k did 7 years happily with a 4.8ghz overclock running 😅
I have the same setup! Beast of a rig isn't it??
But you won't :) Three years from now the 7950x3d would be uncomfortably slow, the same way a 5800x3d s for high end right now :) Paying premium high end prices for future proofing is proven ineffective over and over again 😊
@@danielt91 my 5820k says otherwise :p
@mrctuned2844 its insane for all the things I need to do, not just gaming. But any game that'll use that cache...its insane having another 50+fps at times!
@@RGBeanie I had a 6800k (which is basically a 5820k) like 7 or 8 years ago and it"s SLOOOOOW by modern standards. Especially on competitive shooter games where you need to push high fps on order to be competitive. :)
Last few months I started seeing drops in my pc performance, with an i5 9600k and gtx 1660ti I was fine until a few updates ago, if ur like me definitely need an upgrade
eBay's money back guarantee actually works even if the seller tried to screw you over. Just make sure you read the description of the item.
That, and check their seller feedback rating over the past year, as I got a hell of a deal on an Powercolor AMD RX 6650 XT 8GB GPU last year on eBay, and the seller was excellent as the original got lost in shipping he had another on hand, and sent it instead.
@@CommodoreFan64 right now they have 4090's between $700-$900 on eBay. Just make sure you read the description.
Just remember you only have 14 days with the ebay guarantee. So make sure to have a way to test product if buying in pieces.
i bought a new pc built for a great deal, the seller was very supportive and even sent me messages asking how the computer was working etc, he also sold another computer to someone else and the feedback from that person said he even helped them set up the gpu since i suppose it wasn’t set up yet, very great experience, and i’ve also bought a bunch of other stuff from ebay, usually the feedback + intuition is more than enough to buy without risk
I just upgraded to the 7950x3d because I got it for 650 including X670e mobo and 64gb 6000mhz ram. the only upgrade I need now is my 3070ti, ill wait for the 5090! also, My fav Sim/game is Flight sim and im so excited for 2024
this deal seems insane. wow im jelly
@@swaglord-w6x check micro center if you have one. Thats where I got it
just curious, do you feel the 64 gb of ram is worth it for you? i currently have 32 but i’m considering to upgrade, not just for gaming but i also do research for ai stuff, so i actually cap out my memory sometimes, but i guess im looking at it more in terms of gaming too?
@@pt-yt8322 I need 64gb of ram because i do a lot of flight sims and the new flight sim recommends 64gb if doing background tasks while gaming which I do! 32gb is still enough for 90 percent of people though. to be honest I kinda want another set of 64gb lol
@@pt-yt8322 usually a RAM increase feels like nothing changed. If you really need more RAM you are getting slowdowns or some other issue. I'd say 32 is probably fine...
I’m pretty happy with the Strix 4090 and really don’t wanna go over 450 watts bc I don’t trust the 16 pin connection
That’s valid
that's the reason for the 12VHPWR turning into 12V-2x6 its a revision of the connector that's backwards compatable. To be clear, this is not a new cable, it is an updated change to the pins in the socket, which is referred to as 12V-2x6. the new 12V-2x6 connector has slightly shorter sensing pins while the conductor terminals are 1.5mm longer. This might not sound like a huge difference, but it matters in ensuring that the power cable has been properly connected to whatever device is going to be pulling power from your system's power supply.
mine is 2 years, just now updated to AM5 from AM4. Had my 5800X3D since Dec 2022, it was a great time while it lasted! Now on a brand new Ryzen 9700X and B650 board.
Brain likes number going up, brain upgrades every generation.
Bigger number better
I totally agree with you: 30 years ago I was a tech in a computer store, and if a customer asked me if they needed to upgrade their machine I'd ask them what they needed it to do that it currently couldn't. I would tell them that if it did what they needed, there was no need to upgrade. (This made the boss nuts, but i told him that i was a tech, not a salesman so get one of the salesmen to tell lies, i wasn't going to do it.) But I'd also tell them that if they wanted to upgrade to something faster/ prettier/ better there was nothing wrong with that. Want is a perfectly good reason for an upgrade, as is need.
I'm one of those running a 6700K that I built in 2016: 64GB of RAM, 1080, a Gigabyte watercooled board with a custom hard tube layout. It was a kicking machine. I upgraded the GPU with a 3070Ti (used) a couple of years ago, but now I'm looking to build a new one. Why? Because the processor that was kick-ass in 2016 won't run Win 11. Win 10 goes out of support next year, so... Time to upgrade! I don't think I'll need a 15th gen, but I'm hoping the 14900K comes down in price in the coming months.
Maybe consider linux, as gaming on it (apart from the anticheat goyslop i luckily don't even like anymore) is pretty seamless nowadays, and you could make a windows vm for those 1-2 programs that don't work on linux (such as logi's onboard memory manager) that you only need to use sometimes.
I'm using Intel Q6600😢 I have a lenovo Ideapad 3 with 11th gen core i3 but my pc is really making me angry
In the same boat with the CPU. 6700K was pretty good. I don't remember which GPU I put in when I built it, but upgraded to a Vega 56 pretty much on release. Other than that everything is as when I built the machine. Except I only have 16GB RAM. That's a massive bottleneck and is giving me problems all the time now. :D Plus the CPU prevents me from playing Path of Exile, which is the only game I care for. Not because it's *that* good, but because my computer just can't handle anything more modern either.
On the other hand, I'm done with Windows and going Linux on my next build. Arch btw. (probably not Arch)
honorable
You obviously already know this, but im just posting it for people who dont understand why, undervolting and mildly underclocking that 14900K would probably get rid of all the decay issues.
I still run a Intel 4770k and Asus 780 from 2013!! I would love to upgrade to a 7950x. Can't imagine the difference!
Yeah still have the same PC as you. Although my 780 Ti died 😢 and had to replace it with a 1660 Ti.
I still have my i7 4790k. Was my first high-end CPU, upgrading from the FX-6300 that was my entry to actual PC gaming (I gamed on PC but mostly on old IBM Thinkpad playing MoHAA). Immediately delidded it and overclocked and undervolted it. Was great, even had TSX that you had to enable. I upgraded to a Ryzen 3900x, now needed to replace my PSU and GPU, so now I'm just going to reuse my 4790k for ML work.
I thought I was the only one. I feel you 😂
Got a 9900k and a 2060 and im upgrading to a 7900 gre very soon, been 5 yrs since i got my pc so you hit the nail on the head. Props
I just raw dogged this video on my main monitor without any background music
Nice.
@@BarcelonaBlitzer Nice.
isnt that normal?
@@mila_lolllol i do it every time, thought i was the only one
"You don't need to upgrade every generation."
JAY!!! Are you sick?! Are you dying?! That's crazy talk. You need to upgrade every half generation!
Cyberpunk on max settings with path tracing enabled made me realize that the 4090 barely cuts it if you want 100+ frames all the time.
Especially with the industry getting worse at optimizing every generation. Upscaling was a good idea when you only used it because you really needed it before but now it's becoming increasingly common to just have those be the recommended specs for a game and optimized around
Same.. And there is no faster card out there so not much to do about that besides using all the magic tricks like dlss+fg 😅
@@slayerdwarfify it likely isn’t just poor optimisation, at least part of it is just using more intensive and visually impressive rendering techniques. Current hardware just can’t keep up with what the developers want to implement.
@@conorstewart2214 I just don't believe that, look at the witcher 3 and AC odyssey, 2015 and 2018. How much more beautiful is cyberpunk 2077? Or any other new game. Dragon's Dogma 2? Engines matters too of course but.. I can't see any greater improvements, if engines are worse and such then, why? UE5? Why not just stick to UE4 if 5 is worse.
I think optimizations are worse, and people are getting worse at it after each generation. Could be because they are hiring 90% women, and 10% binary men or whatever you call it. Could be that each generation gets dumber? Could be that they just hire young uneducated people because they are cheaper. idk!? But obviously we can see a skill gap here.
@conorstewart2214 I'm not saying it's 100% on the devs but I also think hardware requirements are increasing much faster than the graphical improvements we are seeing and we are using upscaling as a band-aid. Many current games even have their requirements built around these upscaling techs. Whether it's down to corporations being corporations or the individual devs or a combination of both, I firmly believe optimization has taken a hit.
Well put, Jay! This needs a lot of DISCUSSION!
As an enthusiast I think it depends on the generational leaps for me, Currently have a 4090 and obviously don't need an upgrade any time soon but if the 5090 is a similar jump from 3090-4090 then I'll be very tempted to buy it, but if it's only 15-20% then maybe I'll skip a gen.
I skipped 20 series entirely and went 3080 in 2020, then 4090 in 2022.
CPU's are also interesting this time around, currently have a 7950x non 3D but i think a 50 series will definitely need more CPU horsepower, although 9000 series Ryzen seems a bit of a letdown will have to wait for X3D or see what Intel does with Core 9 Ultra.
Interesting times ahead for sure, looking forward to all the content and coverage as always Jay👍
I needed this video to come out before the 7800x3d went out of stock yesterday😭
It’s been out of stock for months or available for 649 usd
Just wait a couple of months, it will be worth it...
My local Walmart has one! 😂
@@SpicyEvo No, it was available for $419 earlier this week at Best Buy
@@MrFatpenguin That’s what I’m hoping!
I had i7 6700k and nvidia 1080 for almost 8 years and stil has some fight in it... now i run i5 14600kf and 4080 super for the last year and i hope to keep it for at least 5 years more. (No present problems with 14600).
14600 quite don't worry enjoy that beast system
Went for a 2 core gt 780 in 2013, to a 4 core 2060 super in 2020 to a 7900x with a 3080 in 2022.
My margins shortened due to pc gaming not on all low settings and seeing how far pcs had come. I was playing consoles mostly due to friends having said consoles before.
My monitor now is my stop point for upgrading as it’s a 45 inch tv with a 60 hz refresh rate so more then 60-120 fps does nothing for me. I plan to put the last and best zen 5 into my current rig and the wife’s, that way I was in the latest socket now, and my future upgrade path is simple, and the tech will last for my needs for a long time.
Hoo boy the old "anything above 60fps isnt noticable" this has been a debate ive heard for ages. I remember Totalbiscuit ranting about it well over a decade ago at this point. fact of the matter is it is absolutely noticable for a lot of people so it does make a difference.
60fps is noticeable if you play on multicovers and the other guy has 120fps or more you going to get your ass kicked lol but not if you are a single player playing at 1080p @ 60fps. it all depends on how you play.
Yeah, it usually isn't till around 100+fps where I can't tell the difference anymore. Even just between 60 and 80 fps is very noticeable to me.
60 fps is definitely noticeable vs 90 but it's not worth another +50% performance to get it. You can do other things with that amount of performance that are way more impactful. This argument is for people that can afford the top of the line cards because they are already at max settings, they are already at amazing render resolutions, for them that jump from 60 to 120 fps like jay is talking about might be worth it. But when that jump could mean you get to play at 1440p DLSS Quality instead of 1080p DLSS Quality, or you get to turn on Path Tracing or something, you take the graphical improvement.
@@albert2006xp Exactly. Locked 60 fps is fine for any single player game. Visuals/image quality are usually more imprortant in this case.
90 fps with constant flickering (or just a blurry image) caused by lower resolution renderer vs 60 fps with pristine image quality. Would not even think about lowering the render resolution or graphics settings in this case to achieve higher framerates by ruining game atmosphere.
idk i just switched my rig up a bit new screen new cooler new gpu yes 5 years would be great to update or upgrade
its to fast dropping or expenisive , and thats not bad at all the only problem is that people dont always have that kind of spare money.
great channel keep up the good work
I upgrade on a greater than 10 year cycle. Last bought a Dell XPS 8700 in 2012 or 2013. Just upgraded to a custom build PC (Built by me) with a 9800x3d, B650, 32 GB of DDR5 6000 Rm, 4 TB NVME PCI4 gen Samsung 990. 360 AIO, Lian Li 216 case with tons of added Lian Li infinity and reverse infinity fans and RGB cables / accessories. Already had an 850w PSU but might upgrade to 1200w if needed. Still waiting on new GPU releases, will aim for top of AMD or maybe 5080 sort of range. Just got a 4k 240 hz ASUS QD-OLED as well. So 3k-4k overall cost when I'm done.
I am building my first desktop in a long time. Since high school. I appreciate your content. I am starting my build with a B650E-F and a Ryzen 9 7900x. I am waiting on November’s sales to get the next round of parts. I am leaning air cooled over liquid, but liquid may be unavoidable. We’ll see what shakes out.
upgraded from a Rampage iv extreme 1680v2 4.4Ghz from 2013 to a TUF GAMING Z790 14700kf 6.0Ghz in 2024
what a world of difference
so it lasted me 11 years :D
I built my first sff pc in 2020, and just recently started to feel the need to upgrade my GPU/Case/CPU. This video comes in the precise moment!
Always good to listen to someone who speaks simply and plainly. Looking forward to upgrading my i7 4790
My 9900k on a godlike with a 4090 is micro struttering in 4k 120hz and and 1440 super ultrawide. I got a good deal on a z790 godlike. Should I get a 14900ks? I have a custom loop btw.
Still running with a 970m asus laptop. Watching all these videos and deciding what to buy this December 2024. Any suggestions? I do play some VR games, dota and most importantly i am a graphic designer so need good support in photoshop, premier pro. Which build will have perfect balance 3k CAD
You're absolutely right! I'm still rockin my old i7-3770 paired with GTX 1070 and still getting 60+ FPS on most games I throw at it and can able to finish and do all productivity stuff as well.
Same, 3770k, have lapped it and OCd with liquid metal and triple fan WC. Squeezed every last drop out, and still soldiering on!
My 15+ year old pc still runs 90% of the games and tasks that I throw at it. I am only upgrading because black ops 6 came out and wanted me to update my drivers. Problem was the most up to date drivers are still about 5 years out of date. If it wasn't for that, I could probably get another 5 or 10 years out of it.
Maaan every time I see your open chasis PC in the background... I just... I just want it so bad! 😄 the analogue gauges really do it for me. In all seriousness though, you're right we should be content with whay we've got if it's still doing what we want it to do