honda already has better hybrid technology than toyota its why honda crv hybrid is outselling any toyota hybrid suv in usa. one advantage for nickel metal hydride its cheaper to replace if battery goes bad. alot of new toyotas are starting to use lithium ion now tho.
Even if Toyota uses BYD hybrid engines, it still faces at least 3 big obstacles. 1. Interior not as tech savvy as Chinese EVs, 2. Production cost not as low as China's, 3. Slower model change cycles than China's. We are still not talking about autonomous driving technology of which China is sure more advance than Japan's.
Rapid model replacement cycles mean cars become obsolete quickly. Consumers do not like it at all. The reason for changing models so quickly is because of intense competition in the automotive industry.
Toyota Hybrid is different architecture than BYD. Toyota Hybrid is based on ICE. BYD is an electric hybrid, electric engine. It is more efficient than ICE hybrid
A hybrid is both electric and ICE, that's what hybrid means. You can't have a hybrid that doesn't have an ICE engine. It has to have BOTH - an ICE engine AND an electric motor or it isn't a hybrid.
@@luongtam9087 purely semantics as it depends 100% on application…a PHEV with 50 mi. EV range could be less efficient than a HEV if it’s never plugged in and always drives extremely long distances. Even the dodge Ramcharger is a HEV even though it cannot be run purely off gas…it needs gas for the generator to recharge its battery to run the EV motor. More efficient gas motors are needed for future HEV/PHEVs…especially if Trump wins in Nov as all EV incentives and infrastructure will cease for 4 years in the U.S.
@apterachallenge -- You don't understand. A Toyota hybrid has a big engine and small battery. BYD plug-in hybrid has small engine and a big battery, which will make it more efficient and more fun to drive.
@@trungson6604 Sure, and your explanation makes perfect sense. That other guy said something that was confusing and inaccurate. I've always said that if I designed a hybrid it would have a small engine and a big battery. If BYD has actually done that, then good on them.
Toyota needs more margins. Byd makes everything themselves everything. So they can choose to give you premium for standard price. Without losing money. And make the their premium more premium and just for 5k more 😂. I love byd. I wish I could afford them on Denmark
@@remix-yy1hs Toyota already has suppliers for many parts of the cars, I don't see anything wrong with just sourcing the entire thing. At least until they can come up with something that makes them different like solid state batteries.
@@remix-yy1hs or demand your Senator stop accepting campaign donations from UAW. Also tell him/her to stop attacking Tesla in the courts and in the media. Tesla is America's best bet to fight the China invasion.
The automakers that will survive the Next revolution will be the ones that are the most effective at partnering. People mightn’t like Toyota but if they’re parrnering with BYD they are going to survive. I don’t think too many American autos are going to survive because of that.
@@wonderwalls3565 not the question ! will they be the top selling manufacturer in 10 or 20 years time? thus my comment about partnering with other manufacturers.
Read American auto industry history in the last 60 years. All big three have been bailed out by the US govt multiple times. It will just be another bailout.
BYD is a step ahead of Toyota - BYD is phasing out hybrids to go fully electric, while Toyota is phasing out pure ICE to go fully hybrid. What is wrong with this picture?
A lot of country don't have proper infrastructure of EV charging and Hybrid looks like the better deal..Australia is a big country land so its insane to fit so many Charging stations for limited number of cars. Hybrid is way to go for Australia.
5:19, no people just won't know...tourist who goes to Indonesia to ride the bullet train haven't the slightest clue it's a Chinese bullet train and their tech, but will praise the hell out of Indonesia inovation...and even if you tell them on the comment section, they don't believe me...
@@dzcav3 Japanese, they coppied in the past, learned from it and improve on it..., where do you think Japan got it's innovation, they did the same thing...and so did the South Koreans. China have been blamed for stealing, but taking something and innovating beyond what it was originally is advancement, and that's something Japan started to lag behind in past decade. what do you think this video article is all about
If a company does not own the technology, then the other reason to choose their products will be build quality. I think for cars this is an important factor. The Chinese cars used to be known for subpar quality at lower prices. But with more automation this seems to be changing pretty quickly. Meanwhile, more and more dodgy practices from Japanese brands are being exposed and the attitude of the Japanese makers are quite concerning. Personally I am extra worried about 2 things. First the fake safety tests. The airbags were set to pop by timer instead of sensors during collision tests. As a result there's quite a few photos and videos with completely smashed cars and zero airbags deployed and multiple fatalities. Secondly cutting corners in materials. The same model say Camry with thinner and thinner steel pipes over the years as firewall "safety bar" that stands between me and the engine. The Japanese cars are so often mocked as "energy absorption boxes" in China and you can find photos of accidents with a Chinese car sandwiched between 2 Japanese cars with smashed front and rear while you can hardly see a scratch on the Chinese car. It used to be said you have to choose between fuel economy and safety. Looks like that age is now over.
In Malaysia , Japanese Cars are the Main STAY for ICE. However their Fuel Consumption is BLANTLY FALSE. Lucky if you can get 60% of their Claimed Fuel Consumption.
Have u ever heard the idea of crumple zones? It is better to absorb the crash impact than transferring it into the occupants inside. BYD is not much better than those Japanese company BTW. BYD was caught using carcinogen in their EV Bus in Japan
Toyota's tests was more strict than the Japanese government since they export to most countries. Or more accurately, Japanese governments tests were so outdated, Toyota ignored them. Which is why they're in trouble.
If you waste 20 years on hydrogen powered cars and put no effort into pure EVs you find yourself forced to buy in with someone else's technology, or start from scratch. The problem with starting from scratch is that the market will not wait for you.
THIS…the list. If BYD can get rid of the wait I’ll love them for it. What’s the point of a PHEV with only 10kwh battery…when the RAV4/Prius Prime already have an 18 kWh? Why go backward? I think this might be bad info…energy density is going up so range can go…down?
I've driven Toyota hybrids for 13 years and all of my cars have been awesome. Not a single drop of oil needed to top up. The only parts bought are one set of front brake pads and a windscreen wiper! And I've driven about 260,000 miles.
didn't know it was that many! Also the work ethic in China is insane: 9am-9pm, 6 days a week. The 996 system. Which is what the Japanese used to be, maybe the Koreans still are, but Korea just can't match China's massive numbers of engineering graduates.
Yes, NiMH batteries are heavy, and they're old tech compared to LiIon. But they have some good points too. First is lifespan. They do not degrade by the calendar. 25 year old NiMH batteries are still working today. Second they are non-combustible. Third: No Cobalt. And that's about it. Each cell is only 1.2V. So very low energy density and the chemistry is slow compared to Lithium, so no regen braking. They were the best batteries Toyota could use when they first released the Prius. But it restricted Toyota to a very small traction battery.
not really...a famous reviewer (wheelsboy) did a trip with it and lasted, as viking said ,around 1600-1700 km. only in extreme perfect conditions where you wont use ACs etc you may get that range...
@@CarpeDiem13x The problem is that you are too illiterate to understand Chinese. There are more than a dozen videos. In a language that you or your mother will never understand. Cuz, you know, there is such a thing as IQ.
Well engine may be the same, but then other factors like styling may be different. It just like the V8 engines in many luxurious continental car but the brand and styling is different. I can understand that Toyota is branded as reliable and economical in total ownership. But then since the Chinese are ahead in the EV, Toyota need to strategize and not to loose too much market and buy time to develop some new technology vehicle. So working with BYD is one of the way to help Toyota to learn how the BYD manage excel their business so fast. You must be objectives when come to business and knowing that you are loosing market share by the hours and not even days worldwide.
Well, as someone who have driven both BYD and Toyota plug in hybrid, it not as simple as one is better than another. BYD hybrid pros: super quiet, dead silent as EV and smooth running, better power and implementation, some BYD hybrid have 700hp and you find it in every BYD vehicles like off roader and heavy duty trucks BYD cons:issue of stalling on highway never fully resolved, has a clutch that needs replacement Toyota hybrid pros: reliable as rock, no wear item, only fluid change and out last the car, has no known issues of any kind Toyota hybrid cons: loud and not very smooth, feels unrefined, a lot less powerful than BYD and not as widely implemented as BYD Both are good on gas
What I really do like about Nickel Hydride battery is it DOESN'T have memory effect like Nickel Cadium or even Lithium Ion. However for EVs, that'll be a massive weight penalty.
Any Hybrid is a compromise between full EV and full Fossil fuel. I had a 2013 Leaf, both the best and worst car ever. Performance was amazing, but the battery was tiny and reducing... it was old Nissan technology. So my solution was the Corolla Hybrid. It's the BEST car I have ever had. It does have amazing technology, it goes twice the distance of a fossil fuel only car, that is a step in the right direction. It has never let me down, I get 800 to 1000 ks on 46 litres if I drive in eco mode. I will trade it in on a Model 3, just waiting for the cost curves to bring the model 3 prices below $30,000. EV advocates keep on dissmissing the usefulness of hybrids. They are a useful in between vehicle. Owning a hybrid really makes you wish you just bought a full EV. Just don't get a 2013 leaf, like I did.
Toyota and BYD announced their partnership back in 2019 and formed Toyota BYD Electric Vehicle Technology CO LTD.... They are using BYD stuff in China, no word on anywhere else yet. Is not really a play for tech or engineers or admitting their better when they were already one and the same, it's about access to Chinese vehicle market and rare earths/batteries. Is same reason lots of auto makers are teaming up with Chinese companies. If Australia processed or own minerals they might of been teaming up with Holden.
I knew it! Barely any of the mainstream media actually stated that Toyota will be using BYD tech in their next Gen corolla despite the stats/numbers being exactly the same as dm-i!
While Chinese consumers can distinguish these terms: HEV, PHEV, series hybrid powertrain, parallel powertrain, series-parallel powertrain, it seems that most westerners only know parallel non-pluggable HEV like Toyota's and thinks that all hybrids are the same. It's a pity that PHEVs in your country are trash. Well, maybe Nissan and Honda is doing better than Toyota because at least they have some technology of series powertrain.
BYD make everything themselves, right down to the wiper blades. There are no after-market parts available for BYD’s (and Chinese cars in general). So if we have a trade squabble with China or things get a bit nasty in the South China Sea and Taiwan, your Chinese car will be sitting disabled in the street. Our niece had to wait 11 weeks for a PDM (power distribution module) for her ATTO 3.
it just fill the need of both world, geopolitics makes BYD difficult or hesitant to US and Europe market, why not sell the core part to other brands like toyota instead. It’s like samsung even though they not selling meaningful number in China, still most high end phones in Chinese brand most likely using Samsung screens and maybe ram. Getting part of the pie without risk is a very smart strategy
@@undisclosedthai Let's see. They're stupid enough to state that EV'S are just a passing fad, then proceed to invest billions in hydrogen and told us that this was the solution! Dramatically wrong. Their shareholders will eventually demand solutions. They've already taken the first step by admitting that BYD has better technology. The next step is joint working operations. Then selling controlling rights. Think Nokia, Kodak, IBM ....
Sam CLICK BAIT Evans. No Source, we are supposed to find your claim on Toyota website as you said in the beginning of the video... Good luck finding a press release or valid source for this rumor. There isn't one. But yeah Toyota are partnered with BYD for the Chinese domestic market which all foreign companies have to do, if they want to access the Chinese market. And i wouldn't blame them for using a BYD LFP battery pack, that would be smart, but you wont see Toyota ditch there own for BYD outside of China
Unconfirmed sources means Sam is just randomly talking. Toyota is overhauling their hybrids for 2027-ish. Toyota hybrid's since the 1st gen Prius are the same conservative design that has been tweaked for cost savings and reliability - but the same basic system. Nickel metal hydride has been good enough - and less costly. Hybrids don't need large batteries - although PHEV do, I don't think plug-in hybrids make sense. A Prius battery is suitcase sized - light enough for one person to swap is an hour. A gasoline car like a Yaris is less costly to own long-term than any Toyota hybrid or EV. When you can DIY hybrid repairs the Toyoya hybrids can exceed 500,000 miles at very low costs - if looking for a Methuselah car. Lots of forums for Toyota hybrids A strength and weakness of hybrids is that they are efficient as city cars - not so much for distance traveling. Toyota is attempting to build new hybrids that are very frugal on long trips - can they succeed? This hinges on a super-efficient gasoline engine - which is mostly theory at present . If BYD can build cars for less, then Toyota will build in lost cost nations, but many of those societies lack skilled workers.
Nickle Metal Hydride don't burn like lithium batteries do. It's a mature tech. Also. N- MH is better in the cold weather. And hybrids don't requir huge batteries, so weight isn't as much of a problem.
Toyota can't compete with Chinese labor. Companies like BYD hire 10,000 engineers who work 9-9-6 (9am to 9pm, 6 days a week) for 25% of Japanese pay. And they're pretty good these days. I don't fault Toyota; they're excellent, but no one can compete with that. The momentum is with the Chinese these days; Toyota deserves some credit for recognizing this.
BYD power plant V Toyota power plant result output the same, cost of BYD power plant =$x cost of Toyota power plant =$2x, thats the reason they have decided to use BYD
In the US, we can’t buy a BYD. Not yet anyway. We can buy a Toyota. So there’s that. (I would never buy non-fully electric nor Toyota anymore, I’m just making the point.) Very quickly, Toyota should do the same thing for their fully electric models (what few they have) - buy the skateboard from BYD. If they don’t, then it’s a blatant tell that their real strategy is to prolong ICE and fossil fuels!
Sony is more than happy to sell their photographic sensors to Nikon and others. BYD will profit from their relationship with Toyota and build a level of name recognition they probably wouldn't be able to achieve in the US, since the government is intent on taxing BYD to the hilt. As long as the tech doesn't hurt Toyota's reliability and low-maintenance record, it's a win-win for both companies. It takes a smart company to admit that someone else does it better and change course. It might just be that by, say, 2040 the US will have the grid to support EVs, and I'd have no problems buying a hybrid with Toyota reliability and that kind of efficiency. As for EVs, I'd also wait until battery tech doesn't have all the negatives related to temperature, the extraction/refinement environmental costs and the geopolitical issues; I think there's lots of potential for battery tech evolution and am willing to wait it out rather than invest in something that's so far from ideal.dddddd
I said this 5years ago before most people in the west not even knowing what BYD was and got a lot of grief for it. Toyotas are just going to be rebadged BYDs or GACs. I Toyota so it won't be 10% more expensive more like double.
My wife who cannot handle an EV (yet) got a Toyota hybrid a few months ago, it’s been a great so far. There is dearth of EV options still worthy of many folks consideration sadly.
this is fake news. I checked Japan website they never say Toyota work with BYD in Engine. and the Australia website quoted with a Chinese website caijing is not a serious website it has many rumors in it. Hope you could understand it.
Japanese corporate work culture is ill. They get promoted and pay rises based on how long they stay at the company, not how good they are. It’s tragic how many Japanese companies and products are going down the toilet because of their inflexible culture. Panasonic made the best cordless 18v drills. I still use mine and drills 15years newer, still don’t match its quality and ergonomics. Unfortunately, it’s another victim of their outdated rigid social and work culture.
@caljeff2427 you are a liar. Without those patent protection, how could Toyota have dominated the hybrid technology for 27 years without closer competitors.
because in most part of the world, the name BYD doesn't sells and in USA they tax it 100%. Toyota brand name has been with us for as long as i can remember and recognise through out the world so... you know where the money is.
Toyota had the best technology. That is in the past tense. After overtaking the Americans and the Germans, Japan thought they were unbeatable. The Koreans caught up fast and furious, but the Japanese simply refused to accept that the Koreans could be better. While Japan was indulging in self gratification, the Chinese have been working feverishly 24 7 and leapfrogged them in the NEV space. Many sane people in Japan are now finally realizing the fact that the leadership of Toyota have been extremely toxic to the Japanese industry. Japan need to make big changes and do it quickly.
Byd and Toyota are partners in developing Bevs, Hybrids, etc, it was the biggest joint venture ....in 2021.....so what are you talking about??????? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Toyota sells Byd in the Netherlands! Next to their Toyota and Lexus models...! THEY ARE PARTNERS MR Viking!
Toyota is going the path of Bespoke tailoring. Focus on design to introduces models with more variation and customization. They know how to buy BYD technology at a fair price.
Aren’t these cars only for sale in China, there are no way these hybrids that are made in Japan for sale in developed countries are made based on BYD’s hybrid technologies.
Rest assured, it's BYD's engine ... toyota hybrids are all Naturally aspirated....the BYD Engine + Battery would have been cheaper than toyota's engine alone
Now if they only were to use that hybrid part without the combustion engine. Toyota has been a huge let-down. Started off good with the Prius and then got stuck in a rut and surpassed, leapfrogged and so on and so forth. Edit: just to put the Toyota battery tech in perspective ... in between the launch of Prius and now there was a whole smart phone revolution. Gadgets that need to be light weight and yet have long life.
Its just an electric transmission that can drive REAAAAAAAALY slow on battery until the engine kicks back in safes the first gear which has to endure the most and leaves the engine at the perfect load and RPM
Doesn't the new 2023+ Toyota Prius with 40-ish EV miles use lithium ion batteries? I can see them licensing BYD's LFP batteries and manufacturing lines for cost savings. Toyota also brings long-term reliability with its name, something most Chinese automakers don't have a reputation for (at least yet).
This just in " Toyota will replace all 100,000 V35 twin turbo engines that are in 2022 to 2023 Tundras and Lexus SUVs" , ( per Autoline News)@ a cost of $30,000 per engine , the Trucks are currently having a recall notice.due to metal machining bits left over , the cost comes in around $3 Billion Dollars.. Maybe Toyota should have gone to BE Drivetrain earlier?🤔
Toyoda, head of all Japanese auto makers said straight to camera, he lied. Declaring, that is how business people do. So he expects what he says should be lies. Don't believe anything all Japanese business people say. Stop doing business with Japan?
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honda already has better hybrid technology than toyota its why honda crv hybrid is outselling any toyota hybrid suv in usa. one advantage for nickel metal hydride its cheaper to replace if battery goes bad. alot of new toyotas are starting to use lithium ion now tho.
While U.S. ban Chinese ev. Chinese EV is advancing in hyperspeed
Even if Toyota uses BYD hybrid engines, it still faces at least 3 big obstacles. 1. Interior not as tech savvy as Chinese EVs, 2. Production cost not as low as China's, 3. Slower model change cycles than China's. We are still not talking about autonomous driving technology of which China is sure more advance than Japan's.
Rapid model replacement cycles mean cars become obsolete quickly. Consumers do not like it at all. The reason for changing models so quickly is because of intense competition in the automotive industry.
Yet people buy the newest iPhone every year. Your argument is invalid
@@Heatcheck30 so how is it environmentally friendly to keep changing your EV every few years?
@@sallypowers1131 health resale market
OK Luddite. There's a second hand market, you know?
Good news for American, they can now buy "BYD" inside Toyota sold in US.
Hopefully at competitive prices
I wonder if this will help evade the tariffs…its based on country of origin though right? So maybe BYD builds a factory here?
That's exactly what I will do, dammit!
@@microbiologycory10You must think the people running BYD are morons. Build a factory in USA😂😂😂😂😂
Toyota Hybrid is different architecture than BYD. Toyota Hybrid is based on ICE. BYD is an electric hybrid, electric engine. It is more efficient than ICE hybrid
A hybrid is both electric and ICE, that's what hybrid means. You can't have a hybrid that doesn't have an ICE engine. It has to have BOTH - an ICE engine AND an electric motor or it isn't a hybrid.
@@luongtam9087 purely semantics as it
depends 100% on application…a PHEV with 50 mi. EV range could be less efficient than a HEV if it’s never plugged in and always drives extremely long distances. Even the dodge Ramcharger is a HEV even though it cannot be run purely off gas…it needs gas for the generator to recharge its battery to run the EV motor. More efficient gas motors are needed for future HEV/PHEVs…especially if Trump wins in Nov as all EV incentives and infrastructure will cease for 4 years in the U.S.
@apterachallenge -- You don't understand. A Toyota hybrid has a big engine and small battery. BYD plug-in hybrid has small engine and a big battery, which will make it more efficient and more fun to drive.
@@trungson6604 Sure, and your explanation makes perfect sense. That other guy said something that was confusing and inaccurate. I've always said that if I designed a hybrid it would have a small engine and a big battery. If BYD has actually done that, then good on them.
Small engine? Or generator?
I'm in the US. If I could buy a BYD car badged as a Toyota I would be fine with that.
Toyota will make them weird looking (read ugly) but they will still be good cars.
i think oem with big auto badges would be an easy way in... and good for consumers!
@caljeff2427 I bought 4 new Toyota cars based on the reputation of engines and transmissions. EVs are a total reset, none of that stuff is there.
Toyota needs more margins. Byd makes everything themselves everything. So they can choose to give you premium for standard price. Without losing money. And make the their premium more premium and just for 5k more 😂. I love byd. I wish I could afford them on Denmark
@@remix-yy1hs Toyota already has suppliers for many parts of the cars, I don't see anything wrong with just sourcing the entire thing. At least until they can come up with something that makes them different like solid state batteries.
It is because you can't buy a BYD in the US. So Toyota can repackage a BYD and sell it at higher price.
This is exactly the arbitrage.
There's a drone company in the US doing the same thing with DJI drones.
How's this going to help the US, all the maga people wonders!
@@pcstar123America looks Japan as the ally but China as the enemy😂
It is painful looking at the car prices in North America. Market needs more competition.
Call your senator and demand byd in usa
UAW begs to differ.
White house: You (US auto companies) can't handle the competition!
@@remix-yy1hs or demand your Senator stop accepting campaign donations from UAW. Also tell him/her to stop attacking Tesla in the courts and in the media. Tesla is America's best bet to fight the China invasion.
We don’t have slave labor here. While I do agree they need to make cheaper cars here
The automakers that will survive the Next revolution will be the ones that are the most effective at partnering. People mightn’t like Toyota but if they’re parrnering with BYD they are going to survive. I don’t think too many American autos are going to survive because of that.
People might not like toyota? do you know the top selling manufacturer in Aus is Toyota?
@@wonderwalls3565 not the question ! will they be the top selling manufacturer in 10 or 20 years time? thus my comment about partnering with other manufacturers.
@@chrisnewman7281 They still will be. You are living in a fantasy world thiking people will switch to EVs adn hybrids in next 10 years.
Read American auto industry history in the last 60 years. All big three have been bailed out by the US govt multiple times. It will just be another bailout.
@@wonderwalls3565I think he meant Toyota is not an exciting car like German brands.
BYD is a step ahead of Toyota - BYD is phasing out hybrids to go fully electric, while Toyota is phasing out pure ICE to go fully hybrid. What is wrong with this picture?
A lot of country don't have proper infrastructure of EV charging and Hybrid looks like the better deal..Australia is a big country land so its insane to fit so many Charging stations for limited number of cars. Hybrid is way to go for Australia.
@@truthful3777That’s why BYD makes plug-ins. Do try to keep up
Toyota is phasing out pure ICE? wtf are you on about?
@@wonderwalls3565 They’ll have to in a lot of markets. Pure ICE vehicles just can’t meet emissions requirements. WTF are you on about?
@jonathanfields4ever Did ever mentioned BYD did not make hybrid.??? Don't simply assume people have no understanding.
5:19, no people just won't know...tourist who goes to Indonesia to ride the bullet train haven't the slightest clue it's a Chinese bullet train and their tech, but will praise the hell out of Indonesia inovation...and even if you tell them on the comment section, they don't believe me...
Correction: Chinese trains use Japanese technology
@@dzcav3 what a stupid comment ... you need to learn more ...
u r a chn born western troll, incl earlier two repliers. do you know what cyber dissidents mean?
@@dzcav3unfortunately japanese are no longer in the lead, Chinese surpass them 10 year ago...
@@dzcav3 Japanese, they coppied in the past, learned from it and improve on it..., where do you think Japan got it's innovation, they did the same thing...and so did the South Koreans. China have been blamed for stealing, but taking something and innovating beyond what it was originally is advancement, and that's something Japan started to lag behind in past decade. what do you think this video article is all about
If a company does not own the technology, then the other reason to choose their products will be build quality. I think for cars this is an important factor. The Chinese cars used to be known for subpar quality at lower prices. But with more automation this seems to be changing pretty quickly. Meanwhile, more and more dodgy practices from Japanese brands are being exposed and the attitude of the Japanese makers are quite concerning.
Personally I am extra worried about 2 things. First the fake safety tests. The airbags were set to pop by timer instead of sensors during collision tests. As a result there's quite a few photos and videos with completely smashed cars and zero airbags deployed and multiple fatalities. Secondly cutting corners in materials. The same model say Camry with thinner and thinner steel pipes over the years as firewall "safety bar" that stands between me and the engine. The Japanese cars are so often mocked as "energy absorption boxes" in China and you can find photos of accidents with a Chinese car sandwiched between 2 Japanese cars with smashed front and rear while you can hardly see a scratch on the Chinese car.
It used to be said you have to choose between fuel economy and safety. Looks like that age is now over.
In Malaysia , Japanese Cars are the Main STAY for ICE. However their Fuel Consumption is BLANTLY FALSE. Lucky if you can get 60% of their Claimed Fuel Consumption.
Have u ever heard the idea of crumple zones? It is better to absorb the crash impact than transferring it into the occupants inside.
BYD is not much better than those Japanese company BTW. BYD was caught using carcinogen in their EV Bus in Japan
Toyota's tests was more strict than the Japanese government since they export to most countries. Or more accurately, Japanese governments tests were so outdated, Toyota ignored them. Which is why they're in trouble.
@@miraphycs7377 The passengers obviously are also considered part of the crumple zone by the Japanese car makers.
If you waste 20 years on hydrogen powered cars and put no effort into pure EVs you find yourself forced to buy in with someone else's technology, or start from scratch. The problem with starting from scratch is that the market will not wait for you.
Toyota hybrids give them plenty of time to develop new cars - there is a waiting list
Toyota is likely stalling the market by promoting hybrids until they get to their "next big thing" that never comes.
THIS…the list. If
BYD can get rid of the wait I’ll love them for it. What’s the point of a PHEV with only 10kwh battery…when the RAV4/Prius Prime already have an 18 kWh? Why go backward? I think this might be bad info…energy density is going up so range can go…down?
Kodak!
@@timothykeith1367A waiting list doesn’t mean much. They’ll be illegal in a bunch of major markets soon.
I want a BoYoDa Celica.
😆😆😆
Nice 👍
Toyoda abbreviated as TYD. They don't like anything YD, so they changed to Toyota (TYT)
After some though it probably vould be a Sealica
Why buy it from the middleman when you can buy it from the source. Unless you are a diehard Toyota fan, BYD is a no brainer.
Because Trump will make it non-viable for BYD to enter the US market under its own name, unless it manufactures in Mexico, leveraging NAFTA.
1. People trusted in Toyota. 2. People don't like Chinese businesses. People see them as threats to their countries.
They are saying politics will skew that and it'll make it more expensive for the people!
@@undisclosedthaiPeople like you? 😂😂😂😂
@@undisclosedthaikeep binge on the main stream media.
I've driven Toyota hybrids for 13 years and all of my cars have been awesome. Not a single drop of oil needed to top up. The only parts bought are one set of front brake pads and a windscreen wiper! And I've driven about 260,000 miles.
Good for you. BEVs are the only future. Hybrids are just a transition.
No gas??? Talk about self charging 😂
Just one windscreen wiper.
Here is another one who believes in perpetual motion from Toyota.
@@leswhitehouse not a single drop of oil needed? What even is that? You’ve somehow gone past a lie into something even crazier.
BYD have said they have 60 000 engineers - compared the 10 000 Toyota engineers you mention.
Actually, they said they had a little over 100,000 engineers in R&D earlier this year and just added a few thosand more recent graduates.
didn't know it was that many! Also the work ethic in China is insane: 9am-9pm, 6 days a week. The 996 system. Which is what the Japanese used to be, maybe the Koreans still are, but Korea just can't match China's massive numbers of engineering graduates.
Yes, NiMH batteries are heavy, and they're old tech compared to LiIon. But they have some good points too. First is lifespan. They do not degrade by the calendar. 25 year old NiMH batteries are still working today. Second they are non-combustible. Third: No Cobalt. And that's about it. Each cell is only 1.2V. So very low energy density and the chemistry is slow compared to Lithium, so no regen braking.
They were the best batteries Toyota could use when they first released the Prius. But it restricted Toyota to a very small traction battery.
Is this all true? I’ve had Camry, RAV4 and Highlander hybrids and all have had regen since 2007…did they move to lipo them?
Many people have tested the new BYD's and they actually do 2100 km under normal driving.
not really...a famous reviewer (wheelsboy) did a trip with it and lasted, as viking said ,around 1600-1700 km. only in extreme perfect conditions where you wont use ACs etc you may get that range...
That's is pure highway driving. Stop spreading FUD!
even for creating fake news, a bit of intelligence is needed.... damn boy 😂😂
@@CarpeDiem13x The problem is that you are too illiterate to understand Chinese. There are more than a dozen videos. In a language that you or your mother will never understand. Cuz, you know, there is such a thing as IQ.
@@saleh45251 ofc wheelboy tested with 3 adults on board.
Well engine may be the same, but then other factors like styling may be different. It just like the V8 engines in many luxurious continental car but the brand and styling is different. I can understand that Toyota is branded as reliable and economical in total ownership. But then since the Chinese are ahead in the EV, Toyota need to strategize and not to loose too much market and buy time to develop some new technology vehicle. So working with BYD is one of the way to help Toyota to learn how the BYD manage excel their business so fast. You must be objectives when come to business and knowing that you are loosing market share by the hours and not even days worldwide.
A non-plugin hybrid batter needs only a 2 mile range, and NMH makes sense for cost. A PHEV battery needs a 40 mile range, so Li is needed for weight.
Well, as someone who have driven both BYD and Toyota plug in hybrid, it not as simple as one is better than another.
BYD hybrid pros: super quiet, dead silent as EV and smooth running, better power and implementation, some BYD hybrid have 700hp and you find it in every BYD vehicles like off roader and heavy duty trucks
BYD cons:issue of stalling on highway never fully resolved, has a clutch that needs replacement
Toyota hybrid pros: reliable as rock, no wear item, only fluid change and out last the car, has no known issues of any kind
Toyota hybrid cons: loud and not very smooth, feels unrefined, a lot less powerful than BYD and not as widely implemented as BYD
Both are good on gas
What I really do like about Nickel Hydride battery is it DOESN'T have memory effect like Nickel Cadium or even Lithium Ion. However for EVs, that'll be a massive weight penalty.
Any Hybrid is a compromise between full EV and full Fossil fuel. I had a 2013 Leaf, both the best and worst car ever. Performance was amazing, but the battery was tiny and reducing... it was old Nissan technology. So my solution was the Corolla Hybrid. It's the BEST car I have ever had. It does have amazing technology, it goes twice the distance of a fossil fuel only car, that is a step in the right direction. It has never let me down, I get 800 to 1000 ks on 46 litres if I drive in eco mode. I will trade it in on a Model 3, just waiting for the cost curves to bring the model 3 prices below $30,000. EV advocates keep on dissmissing the usefulness of hybrids. They are a useful in between vehicle. Owning a hybrid really makes you wish you just bought a full EV. Just don't get a 2013 leaf, like I did.
Good quality + Good price = Good news. I don't really care who makes what 🙂.
*It's VERY smart move! It buys them time to attempt to leap frog BYD & if they can't, they have a base to sell into!*
Toyota and BYD announced their partnership back in 2019 and formed Toyota BYD Electric Vehicle Technology CO LTD.... They are using BYD stuff in China, no word on anywhere else yet. Is not really a play for tech or engineers or admitting their better when they were already one and the same, it's about access to Chinese vehicle market and rare earths/batteries. Is same reason lots of auto makers are teaming up with Chinese companies. If Australia processed or own minerals they might of been teaming up with Holden.
It is only a matter of time before BYD surpasses all Toyota technology.
I knew it! Barely any of the mainstream media actually stated that Toyota will be using BYD tech in their next Gen corolla despite the stats/numbers being exactly the same as dm-i!
While Chinese consumers can distinguish these terms: HEV, PHEV, series hybrid powertrain, parallel powertrain, series-parallel powertrain, it seems that most westerners only know parallel non-pluggable HEV like Toyota's and thinks that all hybrids are the same.
It's a pity that PHEVs in your country are trash. Well, maybe Nissan and Honda is doing better than Toyota because at least they have some technology of series powertrain.
BYD make everything themselves, right down to the wiper blades. There are no after-market parts available for BYD’s (and Chinese cars in general). So if we have a trade squabble with China or things get a bit nasty in the South China Sea and Taiwan, your Chinese car will be sitting disabled in the street. Our niece had to wait 11 weeks for a PDM (power distribution module) for her ATTO 3.
Good.
So, nothing wrong with that, as you like Zeeker and BYD. 🤔
There are enough people in the world that go for the brand rather than the knowledge on buying decisions to keep these companies very profitable!
it just fill the need of both world, geopolitics makes BYD difficult or hesitant to US and Europe market, why not sell the core part to other brands like toyota instead. It’s like samsung even though they not selling meaningful number in China, still most high end phones in Chinese brand most likely using Samsung screens and maybe ram. Getting part of the pie without risk is a very smart strategy
I thought you mentioned earlier on this channel that BYD hybrids had really shoddy reliability.
One day, in the future, EVs will improve to the point where they will suit more people.
Nickel metal hydride is classic resting on your laurels approach by Toyota.
That precisely the reason Toyota badged BYD fails in Chinese market place.
BYD might be ahead at the moment but once Toyota gets into its stride that position might change.
Did you copy this sentence by GM executives, changing Toyota for GM and BYD for Toyota? 😂😂😂
Well, it maybe the only way to buy a BYD in U.S. without the tariff.
Blink Charging Stations will work hand in hand to bring evs safely to our homes!
There are more than technical considerations. If Toyota wants to sell in China they have to partner closely with a Chinese automaker.
BYD will buy at least 2 Toyota plants in the next 2 years.
I think Toyota has enough dignity not to sell any factory directly to a Chinese business.
@@undisclosedthai Let's see. They're stupid enough to state that EV'S are just a passing fad, then proceed to invest billions in hydrogen and told us that this was the solution! Dramatically wrong. Their shareholders will eventually demand solutions. They've already taken the first step by admitting that BYD has better technology. The next step is joint working operations. Then selling controlling rights.
Think Nokia, Kodak, IBM ....
Sam CLICK BAIT Evans. No Source, we are supposed to find your claim on Toyota website as you said in the beginning of the video... Good luck finding a press release or valid source for this rumor. There isn't one. But yeah Toyota are partnered with BYD for the Chinese domestic market which all foreign companies have to do, if they want to access the Chinese market. And i wouldn't blame them for using a BYD LFP battery pack, that would be smart, but you wont see Toyota ditch there own for BYD outside of China
You sound as if Toyota has better technology than the BYD LFP battery. lol
@@zackwang9314 Though it was about Hybrid drivetrains...
Unconfirmed sources means Sam is just randomly talking.
Toyota is overhauling their hybrids for 2027-ish. Toyota hybrid's since the 1st gen Prius are the same conservative design that has been tweaked for cost savings and reliability - but the same basic system.
Nickel metal hydride has been good enough - and less costly. Hybrids don't need large batteries - although PHEV do, I don't think plug-in hybrids make sense. A Prius battery is suitcase sized - light enough for one person to swap is an hour.
A gasoline car like a Yaris is less costly to own long-term than any Toyota hybrid or EV.
When you can DIY hybrid repairs the Toyoya hybrids can exceed 500,000 miles at very low costs - if looking for a Methuselah car. Lots of forums for Toyota hybrids
A strength and weakness of hybrids is that they are efficient as city cars - not so much for distance traveling. Toyota is attempting to build new hybrids that are very frugal on long trips - can they succeed? This hinges on a super-efficient gasoline engine - which is mostly theory at present .
If BYD can build cars for less, then Toyota will build in lost cost nations, but many of those societies lack skilled workers.
Nickle Metal Hydride don't burn like lithium batteries do. It's a mature tech. Also. N- MH is better in the cold weather. And hybrids don't requir huge batteries, so weight isn't as much of a problem.
So anyone using NiMH batteries in EV's?
@@pcstar123 : I don't know of any. It would make an already heavy vehicle into a heavier one.
Yes, a genius such as you should be paid top $ by the specialist battery companies😂😂😂
@@hclau218 : thank you, but I retired a decade ago.
@@drewthompson7457 Ahh! no wonder your "genius knowledge" is so outdated.
Toyota is still constrainted by battery production even for DMi. Japan just can't make enough batteries.
Can someone show me a place on the web that describes the US and European tariffs on hybrids made in China?
The days of the car badge fashion accessory are over. Most people want a cheap reliable vehicle that looks reasonably good and is cheap to run.
Toyota can't compete with Chinese labor. Companies like BYD hire 10,000 engineers who work 9-9-6 (9am to 9pm, 6 days a week) for 25% of Japanese pay. And they're pretty good these days. I don't fault Toyota; they're excellent, but no one can compete with that. The momentum is with the Chinese these days; Toyota deserves some credit for recognizing this.
The entire skateboard.
BYD power plant V Toyota power plant result output the same, cost of BYD power plant =$x cost of Toyota power plant =$2x, thats the reason they have decided to use BYD
Toyota buyers aren't too smart so they will just keep believing that it is a Toyota and better well worth the extra money.
if Toyota vehicle use all byd products and re band the price must be higher because it is band name fee, people willing to pay for it
In the US, we can’t buy a BYD. Not yet anyway. We can buy a Toyota. So there’s that. (I would never buy non-fully electric nor Toyota anymore, I’m just making the point.) Very quickly, Toyota should do the same thing for their fully electric models (what few they have) - buy the skateboard from BYD. If they don’t, then it’s a blatant tell that their real strategy is to prolong ICE and fossil fuels!
Sony is more than happy to sell their photographic sensors to Nikon and others. BYD will profit from their relationship with Toyota and build a level of name recognition they probably wouldn't be able to achieve in the US, since the government is intent on taxing BYD to the hilt. As long as the tech doesn't hurt Toyota's reliability and low-maintenance record, it's a win-win for both companies. It takes a smart company to admit that someone else does it better and change course. It might just be that by, say, 2040 the US will have the grid to support EVs, and I'd have no problems buying a hybrid with Toyota reliability and that kind of efficiency. As for EVs, I'd also wait until battery tech doesn't have all the negatives related to temperature, the extraction/refinement environmental costs and the geopolitical issues; I think there's lots of potential for battery tech evolution and am willing to wait it out rather than invest in something that's so far from ideal.dddddd
I said this 5years ago before most people in the west not even knowing what BYD was and got a lot of grief for it. Toyotas are just going to be rebadged BYDs or GACs. I Toyota so it won't be 10% more expensive more like double.
why reinvent the wheel when you can buy it and charge more for it... 👍👍👍👍👍
When you can't beat them, join them.😅
I would 100% buy toyota badged byd in Australia, the EV middle man here i do not trust
My wife who cannot handle an EV (yet) got a Toyota hybrid a few months ago, it’s been a great so far. There is dearth of EV options still worthy of many folks consideration sadly.
DMI being better hybrid technology is known and proven for a few years now. Toyota hasn’t been the best in the hybrid game since like 2018.
Still not a bad rep i have never heard of Toyota having trouble with its battery
Toyota it’s king!
this is fake news. I checked Japan website they never say Toyota work with BYD in Engine. and the Australia website quoted with a Chinese website caijing is not a serious website it has many rumors in it. Hope you could understand it.
How reliable are the cars.
Japanese corporate work culture is ill. They get promoted and pay rises based on how long they stay at the company, not how good they are. It’s tragic how many Japanese companies and products are going down the toilet because of their inflexible culture. Panasonic made the best cordless 18v drills. I still use mine and drills 15years newer, still don’t match its quality and ergonomics. Unfortunately, it’s another victim of their outdated rigid social and work culture.
Toyota has built its hybrid patent-fortified great wall to prevent other automakers from copying its hybrid technology.
@caljeff2427 you are a liar. Without those patent protection, how could Toyota have dominated the hybrid technology for 27 years without closer competitors.
@caljeff2427in earlier 2000, Ford licensed the hybrid technology from Toyota.
Hi Sam, I thought BYD hybrid previously had an issue in China because of the fire incidents? or is it the old model?
In China Toyota bZ3 use byd tech.
because in most part of the world, the name BYD doesn't sells and in USA they tax it 100%. Toyota brand name has been with us for as long as i can remember and recognise through out the world so... you know where the money is.
Byd already famous around the world. 😅
Toyota had the best technology. That is in the past tense. After overtaking the Americans and the Germans, Japan thought they were unbeatable. The Koreans caught up fast and furious, but the Japanese simply refused to accept that the Koreans could be better. While Japan was indulging in self gratification, the Chinese have been working feverishly 24 7 and leapfrogged them in the NEV space. Many sane people in Japan are now finally realizing the fact that the leadership of Toyota have been extremely toxic to the Japanese industry. Japan need to make big changes and do it quickly.
Used to have the best engineers!
Byd and Toyota are partners in developing Bevs, Hybrids, etc, it was the biggest joint venture ....in 2021.....so what are you talking about???????
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Toyota sells Byd in the Netherlands! Next to their Toyota and Lexus models...! THEY ARE PARTNERS MR Viking!
the recent hybrid tech. was A result of purchasing A patent from GM from GM. It's time to purchase A new patent
Toyota is going the path of Bespoke tailoring. Focus on design to introduces models with more variation and customization. They know how to buy BYD technology at a fair price.
Toyota admits defeat and will not compete but instead just play catch up with BYD and Geely.
I’d buy a BYD car in a second, I don’t think our government will allow me to buy one.
Why wouldn't Toyota use there own engines and BYD hybrid part.
I'm ok with hybrids. If Toyota licenses the tech and brings it to the US I'd be down
Not for Louisiana
Toyota wants to sell itself to BYD ))))
Correct why would I buy Audi e-tron for £80k when I can buy BYD for £40k
Aren’t these cars only for sale in China, there are no way these hybrids that are made in Japan for sale in developed countries are made based on BYD’s hybrid technologies.
Toyota just release their next toyota corolla phev will use byd DMi hybrid. Toyota corolla is a global car.
@@kckfen
no, there is no such press release. plus, the partnership is limited to the Chinese domestic market
Because of US 100% tariffs on all things Chinese.
According to UNCONFIRMED report in a CHINESE "news" outlet.
kodak or vhs?
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is 8-track an option
Rest assured, it's BYD's engine ... toyota hybrids are all Naturally aspirated....the BYD Engine + Battery would have been cheaper than toyota's engine alone
I've read "BYD" is short for for "Burn Your Dwelling".
Talk about loosing face. Problem is that Japan has no rare earth material nor supply chain.
Now if they only were to use that hybrid part without the combustion engine. Toyota has been a huge let-down. Started off good with the Prius and then got stuck in a rut and surpassed, leapfrogged and so on and so forth. Edit: just to put the Toyota battery tech in perspective ... in between the launch of Prius and now there was a whole smart phone revolution. Gadgets that need to be light weight and yet have long life.
Its just an electric transmission that can drive REAAAAAAAALY slow on battery until the engine kicks back in safes the first gear which has to endure the most and leaves the engine at the perfect load and RPM
I am OK with Toyota adopting BYD technology as l9ng Toyota build the car to its standard as expected by loyalist Toyota.
Perhaps Toyota forgot they invented an engine that is going to put electric vehicle manufacturers out of business?
Why pay more for a Toyota instead of a BYD? That's exactly I'll have to do, because we can't buy BYD in the USA, dammit!
Will you start reviewing reviewing motorcycles and motor scooters?
toyota is will be the next Ford
Doesn't the new 2023+ Toyota Prius with 40-ish EV miles use lithium ion batteries? I can see them licensing BYD's LFP batteries and manufacturing lines for cost savings. Toyota also brings long-term reliability with its name, something most Chinese automakers don't have a reputation for (at least yet).
The 20k Tesla will end Toyota’s fantasies.
This just in " Toyota will replace all 100,000 V35 twin turbo engines that are in 2022 to 2023 Tundras and Lexus SUVs" , ( per Autoline News)@ a cost of $30,000 per engine , the Trucks are currently having a recall notice.due to metal machining bits left over , the cost comes in around $3 Billion Dollars..
Maybe Toyota should have gone to BE Drivetrain earlier?🤔
So Toyota will not have 100% tariff when enters the US market, right?😂😂😂
Japan isn't on the enemy list, it's on the vassal list so they'll be fine.
Plants are in Mexico and Canada.
Toyoda, head of all Japanese auto makers said straight to camera, he lied. Declaring, that is how business people do. So he expects what he says should be lies. Don't believe anything all Japanese business people say. Stop doing business with Japan?
bmw = supra, BYD = Toyota?