The bass on 280VC is better defined (compare 1:51 and. 1:20), and treble more bell-like (3:23 vs. 3:16) and better sustain. Overall, I like the 280VC better.
I feel like you can get a naturally softer touch with the BI because it just seems to be more mellow compared to the 280VC. However, I like the sparkle in the 280VC. It has more clarity and shape to the sound.
The BI is incredible but from a playing perspective on my N1X, it sounds too distant through the speakers despite having all the reverb options totally off and playing only with the close mics. I can't feel a connection with the instrument due to this. Does the 280VC sound closer and more immediate to you?
Hi. Sorry for the late response. Yes, the 280VC can definitely sound closer with less room ambiance if you want. It's pretty versatile and can sound dry or wet depending on your preference. The BI has reverb baked into the close mics whether you like it or not.
I've been trying out both for the past 24 hours, constantly going back and forth. I find the 280VC a bit muddy compared to the Imperial, there's too much bass in the sound; you can't really distinguish the voices as well, especially below C3. It's like everything is on the same frequency as opposed to clear separation with the Imperial.It's a bit too "thick". I wish I liked the 280VC more because it's cheaper and I wanted a more intimate sound but you can have the same result adjusting mics on the Imperial.
Hi, you can tweak the sound in the "Edit" menu. Select the first note of the range, hold the shift key and select the last note of the range. Now apply the EQ to it and/or change the volume. Ctrl+Click on the volume setting as well as EQ points resets the values to default. More infos about all the settings here in the manual: www.vsl.info/manuals/synchron-pianos/edit-view
thank you for the this video....i myself had issues with the treble when playing the VSL....the synchron is installed in my Mac Mini and never satisfied with the treble sound so i bought an external speakers....it sound much better now....i think the tweeters will not able to replicate the authentic sound of the piano treble....i listened to an acoustic 280VC from UA-cam and the treble is much lighter and higher on the treble and less heavy on the bass compared to the Imperial
Hi. It's the Concert D 274.The D-274 has a beautiful low volume timbre that’s not in the Bosendorfers. I feel like I have more colors on my pallet to choose from. It inspires me to focus more on dynamics. And, it shifts nicely from that low end delicate tone to a full bodied, powerful, concert grand sound.
@@Comfort_One_Another Many thanks, David, for your generous reply. This is very helpful and very interesting . As I often need to play softer, this is a great insight. With best wishes. Gerald
If you don’t mind a follow up, I am currently comparing the demos of the 280VC and the Steinway. I agree the Steinway sound is amazing but I find the sensitivity of the velocity on the Steinway very tricky! It may be the FP30X I am using as controller; i dont think it is accurate enough? I suspect a major part of the problem is the unevenness in my touch! I find the 280 vc easier to play. I wonder if persevering with the Steinway would force me to improve my touch so it is more even? (I am an early intermediate player). Thanks for any thoughts you might have on this.
@@geraldgleeson4191 Hi Gerald. The VSL Steinway has become my favorite library to play. I owned it when it first came out before VSL had the velocity curve editor in the Synchron Piano Player and I didn't care for the tone. Mainly because I found the attack too aggressive and the tone a bit too harsh. So I ended up selling it and favored the Bosendorfer Imperial for a few years. However, I recently purchased the Steinway again, and now with the velocity curve properly adjusted it is by far my favorite. Getting the velocity curve right is crucial. With the right velocity curve tuned to your controller and playing style, the Steinway offers the most diverse dynamic range with a beautiful timbre in the lower velocities. Hope this helps.
Are those recorded from the N1X speaker or line out? Just trying to gauge the sound output. Is the N1X with VSL sound better than the internal ones or not? Would you play with this patch all the time or do you still prefer the internal built in ones? Thx for any info.
Hi. It's recorded from the USB digital audio interface (in the N1X) connected to my MacBook using GarageBand as a DAW. I do like the VSL pianos better than the internal N1X pianos. I play the VSL libraries almost 100% of the time. Although, I could be satisfied with the N1X internal sounds if I never had access to a virtual piano library.
Thanks for the demo, beautiful playing. Well, the bass is wonderful on the Imperial while the trebble is crystal clear on the 280VC. It is tough to decide, I would say the Imperial is better for this song overall
With the 280vc it feels like you put your ears on Hammers But imperial is more natural I respect vsl and everyone who loves 280vc but i simply don't understand why did they record a 9f piano in this small hall? And if it's ok to record a giant piano in a small room so why they don't do it with the rest? Anyway i love the imperial♥️ i think it's the absolute best piano that vsl released
Interesting-but-confusing video. Your title, description, and info boxes in the upper-right corner all state that you're comparing two Bösendorfer pianos, and indeed that's what it sounds like. But the visuals show a Yamaha piano. What's up with that? Did you paste the sound from the two Bösendorfers onto visuals of a Yamaha? Or has Bösendorfer started labeling its pianos "Yamaha" because of the "subsidiary" relationship? (If so, I think that's stupid; why abandon the most iconic brand name in pianos?)
Hi, those are sampled libraries from Vienna Symphonic Library (VSL). I'm using my Yamaha N1X simply as a controller to compare the two Bösendorfer libraries from VSL.
@@headsman2023 : Thanks for the information. That does explain the confusion, but opens up another quandry: Why wasn't that information put into the title in order to avoid the confusion in the first place? It's like when people post vids to yewl tewb titled "Horrible Airplane Crash Caught On Camera!" and it actually RC model planes. 🙄 Makes me want to bonk the poster with a nerf bat (or, worse, click the down-pointing thumb icon).
The bass on 280VC is better defined (compare 1:51 and. 1:20), and treble more bell-like (3:23 vs. 3:16) and better sustain. Overall, I like the 280VC better.
Good analysis. That's how I feel about it also.
They both sound beautiful, I really love the 280VC's mid range... do you feel any difference in playability, David? Thanks!
I feel like you can get a naturally softer touch with the BI because it just seems to be more mellow compared to the 280VC. However, I like the sparkle in the 280VC. It has more clarity and shape to the sound.
I can't decide which one I like more.... I guess I'll just get the CFX and hold off on which Bosendorfer to get til later.
The BI is incredible but from a playing perspective on my N1X, it sounds too distant through the speakers despite having all the reverb options totally off and playing only with the close mics. I can't feel a connection with the instrument due to this. Does the 280VC sound closer and more immediate to you?
Hi. Sorry for the late response. Yes, the 280VC can definitely sound closer with less room ambiance if you want. It's pretty versatile and can sound dry or wet depending on your preference. The BI has reverb baked into the close mics whether you like it or not.
I've been trying out both for the past 24 hours, constantly going back and forth. I find the 280VC a bit muddy compared to the Imperial, there's too much bass in the sound; you can't really distinguish the voices as well, especially below C3. It's like everything is on the same frequency as opposed to clear separation with the Imperial.It's a bit too "thick". I wish I liked the 280VC more because it's cheaper and I wanted a more intimate sound but you can have the same result adjusting mics on the Imperial.
Hi, you can tweak the sound in the "Edit" menu. Select the first note of the range, hold the shift key and select the last note of the range. Now apply the EQ to it and/or change the volume. Ctrl+Click on the volume setting as well as EQ points resets the values to default. More infos about all the settings here in the manual: www.vsl.info/manuals/synchron-pianos/edit-view
thank you for the this video....i myself had issues with the treble when playing the VSL....the synchron is installed in my Mac Mini and never satisfied with the treble sound so i bought an external speakers....it sound much better now....i think the tweeters will not able to replicate the authentic sound of the piano treble....i listened to an acoustic 280VC from UA-cam and the treble is much lighter and higher on the treble and less heavy on the bass compared to the Imperial
Good speakers can make a big difference. You might also consider good headphones. I prefer open back when I do have to use them for piano.
was this the full versions, or standards?
Amazing, what are you using as a controller? Is that a real piano?
Hi, thank you for the nice question. The piano in my video is a Yamaha N1X.
David, I wonder what your latest preference is re the VSL pianos: 280vc or Imperial or Steinway D? Thanks, G
Hi. It's the Concert D 274.The D-274 has a beautiful low volume timbre that’s not in the Bosendorfers. I feel like I have more colors on my pallet to choose from. It inspires me to focus more on dynamics. And, it shifts nicely from that low end delicate tone to a full bodied, powerful, concert grand sound.
@@Comfort_One_Another Many thanks, David, for your generous reply. This is very helpful and very interesting . As I often need to play softer, this is a great insight. With best wishes. Gerald
If you don’t mind a follow up, I am currently comparing the demos of the 280VC and the Steinway. I agree the Steinway sound is amazing but I find the sensitivity of the velocity on the Steinway very tricky! It may be the FP30X I am using as controller; i dont think it is accurate enough? I suspect a major part of the problem is the unevenness in my touch! I find the 280 vc easier to play. I wonder if persevering with the Steinway would force me to improve my touch so it is more even? (I am an early intermediate player). Thanks for any thoughts you might have on this.
@@geraldgleeson4191 Hi Gerald. The VSL Steinway has become my favorite library to play. I owned it when it first came out before VSL had the velocity curve editor in the Synchron Piano Player and I didn't care for the tone. Mainly because I found the attack too aggressive and the tone a bit too harsh. So I ended up selling it and favored the Bosendorfer Imperial for a few years. However, I recently purchased the Steinway again, and now with the velocity curve properly adjusted it is by far my favorite. Getting the velocity curve right is crucial. With the right velocity curve tuned to your controller and playing style, the Steinway offers the most diverse dynamic range with a beautiful timbre in the lower velocities. Hope this helps.
Are those recorded from the N1X speaker or line out? Just trying to gauge the sound output. Is the N1X with VSL sound better than the internal ones or not? Would you play with this patch all the time or do you still prefer the internal built in ones? Thx for any info.
Hi. It's recorded from the USB digital audio interface (in the N1X) connected to my MacBook using GarageBand as a DAW. I do like the VSL pianos better than the internal N1X pianos. I play the VSL libraries almost 100% of the time. Although, I could be satisfied with the N1X internal sounds if I never had access to a virtual piano library.
Thanks for the demo, beautiful playing. Well, the bass is wonderful on the Imperial while the trebble is crystal clear on the 280VC. It is tough to decide, I would say the Imperial is better for this song overall
Imperial warm, 280vc bright.
That's a real oversimplification...
With the 280vc it feels like you put your ears on Hammers
But imperial is more natural
I respect vsl and everyone who loves 280vc but i simply don't understand why did they record a 9f piano in this small hall? And if it's ok to record a giant piano in a small room so why they don't do it with the rest?
Anyway i love the imperial♥️ i think it's the absolute best piano that vsl released
Probably for variety sake. They wanted a more close and intimate sound with the 280VC.
Interesting-but-confusing video. Your title, description, and info boxes in the upper-right corner all state that you're comparing two Bösendorfer pianos, and indeed that's what it sounds like. But the visuals show a Yamaha piano. What's up with that? Did you paste the sound from the two Bösendorfers onto visuals of a Yamaha? Or has Bösendorfer started labeling its pianos "Yamaha" because of the "subsidiary" relationship? (If so, I think that's stupid; why abandon the most iconic brand name in pianos?)
Hi, those are sampled libraries from Vienna Symphonic Library (VSL). I'm using my Yamaha N1X simply as a controller to compare the two Bösendorfer libraries from VSL.
You don't know VST? lol
The bosendorfers are sampled instruments bro💀 he uses his yamaha digital piano to control them
@@headsman2023 : Thanks for the information. That does explain the confusion, but opens up another quandry: Why wasn't that information put into the title in order to avoid the confusion in the first place? It's like when people post vids to yewl tewb titled "Horrible Airplane Crash Caught On Camera!" and it actually RC model planes. 🙄 Makes me want to bonk the poster with a nerf bat (or, worse, click the down-pointing thumb icon).