How To Ace The New York Times Hard Sudoku

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 197

  • @ItsSansom
    @ItsSansom 4 роки тому +132

    I mean, the solve was great, but I was really blown away by the use of "Recalcitrant" at 8:26

    • @nightwishlover8913
      @nightwishlover8913 4 роки тому +8

      Not a word you hear much on UA-cam!!

    • @ThatGuy-dj3qr
      @ThatGuy-dj3qr 4 роки тому +5

      I thought the same thing. It made me chuckle. Simon has some great words in his vocabulary.

    • @ilonachan
      @ilonachan 4 роки тому +10

      @@ThatGuy-dj3qr ​That's probably their experience with cryptic crosswords

    • @liorkishinevsky7962
      @liorkishinevsky7962 4 роки тому

      stubborn

  • @Blackmoon972
    @Blackmoon972 4 роки тому +16

    26 minutes. Normally I read comment and people are doing the puzzles in a 3rd of the time I finish. I didn’t realize how many people in my skill range are here. It’s good to see the amount of people that are benefiting from these learner videos. :)

  • @TheSuzberry
    @TheSuzberry 4 роки тому +30

    At 10:53 I started shouting, “Wrong, wrong, wrong.” I never would have recovered from that.

  • @MyRegularNameWasTaken
    @MyRegularNameWasTaken 4 роки тому +5

    One thing I think bears mentioning is that the trick described is actually twice as powerful as you describe it. Taking 4:10's example, the 259 triple forces the remaining 3 digits in the row (1, 3, and 4) into the empty rank in the center box. But that ALSO means that the 6, 7, and 8 in column 4 fill the remaining squares in the center box. That's enough to give you the center box's 7 without any prior information, as opposed to waiting until 10:21 to deduce it as you did.

  • @MrRuneklan
    @MrRuneklan 4 роки тому +9

    13:26 - Considering I completly gave up on doing anything near this difficulty 3-4 months ago when i started watching this channel, I must say I'm pleased with myself. Thanks for the fun, entertaining and educational videos.

  • @haleyfravel8985
    @haleyfravel8985 4 роки тому +6

    I have been watching this channel for almost 3 weeks now, and I was FINALLY able to solve one of these without giving up 🤦🏻‍♀️ Took 32 minutes, but that's HUGE, considering I normally would have given up by the end.
    I had no idea about the first triple hint, so it took some weird logic, but he made it lol

  • @primaltprince
    @primaltprince 4 роки тому +45

    Ah, one I could solve on my own in under 20, this is an accomplishment I will cherish for at least the next 30 seconds

  • @mattrattley
    @mattrattley 4 роки тому +42

    35:36 - first solve without having to get any tips from the video, after following for a few months... o o f - may not be the fastest but that is a great feeling!

    • @lallen7130
      @lallen7130 4 роки тому +1

      I stupidly had two 5s in the same row, but for once didn’t consult the video neither. Go us!

    • @nightwishlover8913
      @nightwishlover8913 4 роки тому +1

      I know how you feel - 32 mins.

    • @StevenJacks
      @StevenJacks 4 роки тому +1

      Same here, Matt!

    • @elrerex255
      @elrerex255 4 роки тому

      Same here! It gives me a smile.

  • @12tone
    @12tone 4 роки тому +23

    Great solve! Interestingly, that particular hidden triple _is_ findable with standard notation: the 6s and 8s in row 4 and column 4 force a 68 pair into the bottom right corner of box 5, then the 7 in column 4 puts a 7 in r4c5, after which you get the 134 triple in the middle of row 4, revealing the 259 triple outside it. Probably harder than just spotting it the normal way if you're used to that approach, though!

    • @VictoryOverSelf
      @VictoryOverSelf 4 роки тому

      woah, I watch your vids too. Small world.

    • @atis1976
      @atis1976 3 роки тому

      ... and after that, there is a 79 pair in box 6. Its a nice puzzle.

  • @boydegg
    @boydegg 4 роки тому +4

    Wow, that took me ages - 1 hour and 12 mins, but I'm delighted to do it without needing clues from the video.

  • @cartoonkitteh
    @cartoonkitteh 4 роки тому +5

    39:25 was my time and I had to fight for every number in the grid! Looking forward to seeing all the beautiful logic I missed

  • @Frie_Jemi
    @Frie_Jemi 4 роки тому

    ABSOLUTELY I did Snyder, the checked for hidden singles and was dead...as soon as I remembered your empty lane with 6 used digits I repaused you and finished in 6 mins! SPECTACULAR!

  • @lesleyvivien2876
    @lesleyvivien2876 3 роки тому +1

    I'm glad this popped up. Classics are quite challenging enough for me, without puzzles with arrows and no digits.

  • @KyleLanmon
    @KyleLanmon 4 роки тому

    Nice trick to break in! On this puzzle it wasn't strictly necessary, but makes it MUCH easier

  • @gposchman
    @gposchman 4 роки тому

    Oddly enough, I have started checking out the geometry of puzzles before I start notation, I learned that from you. I spotted that right off. A couple of others helped but didn't provide the success of the middlebox. As I was making notations, I did find a bent triple, which eliminated a 6 from a cell and I just continued through to the solution. Thanks for confirming what I did. I'm not fast, but I do much better than I ever have before. You and Mark continue to improve my playing.
    Thank you.
    Gene

  • @mirandak7242
    @mirandak7242 4 роки тому +3

    20:06 for me, the closest I've ever gotten to Simon's speed! This channel has really helped me improve!

  • @1002l
    @1002l 3 роки тому

    that trick helps so much almost everything he said about the beginning 3 would have lowered my time drastically

  • @joseffestejo7327
    @joseffestejo7327 3 роки тому

    18:54 for me before watching the video. good notation got me there! thanks to watching this channel I improved in that

  • @BlueCyann
    @BlueCyann 4 роки тому

    Much fun and could not have spotted the 25/14 pairs in column 4 so easily without previous instruction from this channel. Took me 25-30 minutes not counting a long interruption that did throw me off a bit. I like these types of puzzles.

  • @littleschnitzel8226
    @littleschnitzel8226 4 роки тому +1

    Nice sudoku, it felt as thrilling as a game of poker with all those pairs paving the way. Also many thanks to Mark and Simon, I would never be able to solve this puzzle in 12 minutes, without watching their videos regularly.

  • @juspraetorium
    @juspraetorium 4 роки тому +2

    24:53 My first result under 30 minutes in these videos with no hints! I've been following this channel for a week now and I'm definitely improving.

  • @hepenypacker
    @hepenypacker 4 роки тому +4

    Missed the hidden triple at the start, although it "unhid" itself after finding the 1-4 pair in the center box. Still a useful tip

  • @AWildBard
    @AWildBard 4 роки тому

    I'm getting better at hard sudokus thanks to this channel.

  • @wixxed
    @wixxed 2 роки тому

    I can't believe I just did this in 35 minutes on my own. Only a month ago I would have never attempted it. This channel has taught me a lot.

  • @MartsGarage
    @MartsGarage 4 роки тому

    Hi. Recently discovered your channel after starting to do sudokus during the lockdown. I did this in 49 minutes using nothing fancy. I really appreciate your channel. I was pleased with my time. I will watch now to see how you did it. thanks for providing this outlet. mart.

  • @StevenJacks
    @StevenJacks 4 роки тому +2

    29:37, without help. This was the first puzzle I was able to complete on this channel after following for a month or so. This channel has such difficult puzzles (for me) and I usually cave in after trying them. I'm able to follow the logic, but to do it on my own is another story. I feel like after going through the usual regimen of puzzles on this channel, this "hard" NYT sudoku was just a nice workout. :)

  • @KayDubs77
    @KayDubs77 3 роки тому +1

    This was super helpful, thank you! I've been working on my technique, and these videos have been very valuable. It's also helped me in my job as a programmer, so I'm going to count the time I watch these videos as on the job training. :)

  • @nigelm5777
    @nigelm5777 4 роки тому

    Readily found the start, thanks to your tutelage. For some reason NYT releases new puzzles at 10:00pm Eastern on the previous day. Hence this puzzle will be gone today at that time. NYTs new GUI is nice on an iPad and the puzzle is no longer reset if you have to leave it for a while.

  • @ExodaCrown
    @ExodaCrown 3 роки тому

    I actually went and did this, took a bit to get used to your program. I got really far with the Snyder notations, eventually hit a wall where I had a lot of boxes limited to two options. I tested one out and found a naked single in r3c8 that if I noticed before would have cracked it open for me without taking a guess and brute forcing my way through. Before I hit my wall my game board looked a lot like yours at 15:04 mark, but with a few more corner marks. It was a fun solve.

  • @bristolrovers27
    @bristolrovers27 4 роки тому +1

    It only took me 4 years and 6 months!!!
    Good puzzle nice solve another top video

  • @Smileyyn
    @Smileyyn 4 роки тому +9

    Fantastic video with a lot of useful tips!

  • @JohnSmith-rf1tx
    @JohnSmith-rf1tx 3 роки тому

    Simon, I think it would be an interesting video for you to really drive this point home whenever you do another NYT Hard puzzle with this trick in it to intentionally not "spot" this bit of logic. So, you'd start the puzzle and take it forward until you reach the point where the basic marking technique you use runs out of runway, all without using the quirk of the hidden triples that this particular puzzle algorithm loves so much. Then stop and restart the puzzle, but this time finding the hidden triple at the very start. That would very graphically show what a huge difference it makes in the solve.

  • @katiehennigan3024
    @katiehennigan3024 3 роки тому

    24:20, this type of puzzle feels easy now after doing so many of the harder variants! Fun puzzle.

  • @SesakoFTW
    @SesakoFTW 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the contribution to the community! I fallen in love solving these puzzles, and the enthusiasm I see on you makes my evenings every time. I really appreciate you guys uploading new puzzles every day!

  • @gustavenk
    @gustavenk 4 роки тому

    Originally I got stuck after 50 mins, but with the initial trick Simon mentioned I had another go and got it done in 23:51. Nice puzzle!

  • @Urroner
    @Urroner 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much for that triple suggestion. I was really struggling with this puzzle, but with the clue, it went fairly quickly. Again, thanks and hopefully I can remember that clue.

  • @walkingonsunshine1571
    @walkingonsunshine1571 2 роки тому

    this was the first time I finished a sudoku presented on this channel by myself, with no peeking at all! Took me way, wayyy longer you of course but I'm still kinda proud! :)

  • @ol1ver49
    @ol1ver49 4 роки тому

    Finally cracked one of these without any trouble. It did sort of help that the key triple was staring me in the face in the middle cell. I suspect if it was less clear (the blank row or column central, for instance) I might struggle. If it wasn't a NY Times one, I might not think of this first.

  • @jjfranz2000
    @jjfranz2000 4 роки тому

    I had it almost solved last night and I accidentally hit the refresh button on my phone and erased all my progress, but I am happy to say I finished it today with a lot less difficulty!

  • @bakibadguy
    @bakibadguy 4 роки тому

    I think watching these videos has really improved my solving abilities. This one only took me just over 30 minutes with no help. I had to reread the title to make sure it said "hard sudoku" because I was rarely able to do them before!

  • @RandomBurfness
    @RandomBurfness 4 роки тому +24

    This one took me way too long just because I kept missing hidden and naked singles, bleh.

  • @CJVale
    @CJVale 4 роки тому +1

    19:16 was my time, I got stuck for about ten mins looking for the 14 pair in row 3, after I spotted that the house of cards came tumbling down for me

  • @r0bw00d
    @r0bw00d 4 роки тому +1

    47:05 on my sixth attempt! I worked it out under normal rules and this time I wasn't as exhausted from work that I normally am.

  • @JustAGamerFan
    @JustAGamerFan 4 роки тому +2

    37:31 Pretty good for a classic, for me at least. Nice puzzle

  • @anandarao8942
    @anandarao8942 10 днів тому

    Very good puzzle… tq for your explanation 👍

  • @Red_Crows
    @Red_Crows 4 роки тому +1

    That opening triple makes things so much easier.

  • @ummyeah1980
    @ummyeah1980 4 роки тому +1

    First time solving a video puzzle by myself. Several interruptions and breaks, so my guesstimate is somewhere between 1 and 2 hours. Not a quick solve, but a successful one. :)

  • @ib9rt
    @ib9rt 4 роки тому

    I solved the puzzle today on the NYT web site with some effort. Then I did it again later with your software. It was so much easier with your dual pencil marking feature! On the NYT it is hard to keep track of what pencil marks are what. Also, possibly one should abandon Snyder notation altogether with NYT? Since it depends so heavily on hidden doubles and triples one should reserve the notation to keep track of those.

  • @user-yz8wr8vb7f
    @user-yz8wr8vb7f 4 роки тому

    At 10:41 there is the start of a unique rectangle with three 68s, resulting in a 1 in r1c5. A curious thing I've noticed about the NYT hard is that there is almost never an x-wing spanning 4 boxes.

  • @ilonachan
    @ilonachan 4 роки тому

    Webapp didn't work for me just now, wrote the thing out on paper.
    Didn't watch any hints, but I overlooked the crucial "New York Times" step on paper while immediately spotting it in the video.
    Probably because the grid looks cleaner in your app. It also takes way less time to fill in digits and pencilmarks.
    So I can confidently say that your Sudoku Webapp is a major quality-of-life improvement over pen and pencil. And you haven't even hit perfection yet: With automatic pencilmark removal, number highlighting, and (hopefully) the ability to enter our own grids, the app wouldn't just be better than most alternatives, it would be _unbeatable._

  • @EndlessMystify
    @EndlessMystify 4 роки тому

    It took me 40 minutes to get to where this video is at the 15 min mark, but after that I got stuck and had to check the video for help.

  • @skavies2351
    @skavies2351 4 роки тому

    Yay, a puzzle that only made me feel slightly stupid and inadequate. Took almost an hour and a half, but I got it. A huge improvement over yesterday's super evil one.

  • @brendanmorales4504
    @brendanmorales4504 4 роки тому

    I really need to stress the hidden triple the beginning because it has an associative property that you don't utilize. In this puzzle, the numbers 2, 5, and 9 cannot go into rows 4, 5, and 6 in column 4, but you miss the fact that in the center 3x3 block, numbers 6, 7, and 8 are FORCED into a hidden triple as well - into row 4, column 5, and row 6, columns 5 and 6.
    As you say, these are both things one can spot without ANY filling in of the puzzle whatsoever, and should be done FIRST.
    I hope this makes sense, because I always employ the "block" version of hidden triples, while you tend to lean towards the column or row version.

  • @jncdi1535
    @jncdi1535 4 роки тому

    Finally the explanation for the NYT bent triples sank in. Thank you!

  • @shamabole7803
    @shamabole7803 2 роки тому

    Enormously helpful.

  • @lakarto19
    @lakarto19 4 роки тому

    Managed to solve in 4:45
    Simple enough classic sudoku, I don't even think the initial trick with the 2/5/9 was even absolutely necessary; I managed to solve this one just using the 1/4 and 6/8 hidden pairs.

  • @praematura
    @praematura 4 роки тому

    12:40, but I will admit I listened to the remind of the '3 numbers in a box' (and just the reminder part) to help me kickstart the puzzle. :) Still a nice one!

  • @rickkaye5864
    @rickkaye5864 4 роки тому

    I have a suggestion for your web app. Control clicking on a cell to add to the selection does not work correctly on a Mac since Control-click is a synonym for right-click. Perhaps you could add shift-click as another way to add to a selection?

  • @davidh.4944
    @davidh.4944 4 роки тому +2

    Aargh. I screwed up somewhere along the way, _twice_ . I finally solved it in 22m on the third try, but it took about 90 overall.

    • @davidh.4944
      @davidh.4944 3 роки тому +1

      Rediscovered this one, and failed to notice I'd done it before. That's what happens when you follow recommendation links.
      This time I solved it easily in 16:43, and I think this is the first time I've ever completed a puzzle in a shorter time than the video. Of course, half the video was Simon explaining technique, but I'm happy knowing I've improved a bit.

  • @hatterson
    @hatterson 4 роки тому

    I actually didn't notice the 259 triple based on the center box. I ended up getting it based on the 68 pair in row 6 that's available at the start. That pair means a 7 is forced into r4c5, which then forces a 3 into r4c4, which reveals a 14 pair to finish the box. That leaves a 259 triple on column 4 (and r2 is resolved)

  • @no-feetmcgee5577
    @no-feetmcgee5577 4 роки тому +7

    How to ace the NYT hard sudoku: don't mis-pencilmark. Now I know! XD

    • @Ztingjammer
      @Ztingjammer 3 роки тому

      Late to the party, but I felt the same :P

  • @TheMastreano
    @TheMastreano 4 роки тому +1

    @cracking the cryptic, is there any chance of editing puzzles in your webapp? to recreate the puzzles in older episodes

  • @rabidsamfan
    @rabidsamfan 4 роки тому

    30:23 including nap. Fairly straightforward once i woke up a little.

  • @PuffyOne1898
    @PuffyOne1898 4 роки тому

    26 minutes flat. Felt really good about solving it

  • @asharastark6776
    @asharastark6776 4 роки тому

    Right at the start the six seven eight in column four match the same numbers in the middle left square. It forces a six eight pair, forcing a seven in the top middle of the centre square.

  • @jill5
    @jill5 4 роки тому +7

    I didn't use any fancy technique, I just use simple logic and solved it. I am very proud of myself :)

  • @alibabapirce9782
    @alibabapirce9782 3 роки тому

    15:39 i lacked that logic during solving and because of that it took me 1m longer than it should :/ im gonna have to look around for that next time as well :D

  • @eddaumpeddaump4509
    @eddaumpeddaump4509 4 роки тому

    I want to thank you. Your strategies have taken my logical abilities to a higher level. I was good before watching your videos but I would say I'm a very good solver now because of what you have taught me. Really I'm extremely appreciative of your videos and I want to thank you. One thing I would like for you to show me is how to create a sudoku puzzle.

  • @carstenkruse8527
    @carstenkruse8527 4 роки тому +36

    @10:52 uhhhh I cringed there when you wrote 6 and 8 instead of 5 and 8

    • @Speireata4
      @Speireata4 4 роки тому +3

      I was screaming at the screen.

  • @deanhickerson1000
    @deanhickerson1000 4 роки тому

    52:50. I kept missing obvious things.
    Then I ran it through Andrew Stuart's solver, which finished it off without any fancy techniques, so I feel even worse about all that I missed.

  • @Nevir202
    @Nevir202 4 роки тому +1

    Needed so many hints, and took 1:20:00 but still, first ever hard sudoku solve, so, still something... 😅

  • @geo-fry6372
    @geo-fry6372 4 роки тому +2

    10:40; I didn't find this one very difficult. Classic Sudoku seems to be the only variant I am fast at.

  • @Max_Griswald
    @Max_Griswald 4 роки тому +1

    26:31 - Wow, I got stuck at a dumb spot. When I finally figured out what I was doing, I was so mad at myself.

    • @itsmegeorgeous
      @itsmegeorgeous 4 роки тому

      I also got stuck in a silly way. For me it was not seeing that i could resolve the 2 in row 1, once I saw it (thanks to Simon) I completed it relatively easily (for me as a total newbie to Soduko).

  • @zalibecquerel3463
    @zalibecquerel3463 4 роки тому +1

    1:16:01 including cooking and eating breakfast and coffee and visiting the lavatory.
    Sub 1:00:00 soon!

  • @spelldaddy5386
    @spelldaddy5386 4 роки тому +1

    23:26 I thought I had it way earlier, and I was just going to finish up about 10 minutes earlier, and then it just didn't yield the way I expected it to

  • @DevilishlyDutch
    @DevilishlyDutch 4 роки тому

    26:20! i'm not disappointed, it only took me a longer moment to spot that single 1 in box 3

    • @neuf568
      @neuf568 4 роки тому +1

      23:59, hit the same snag.

  • @michaelmorris5101
    @michaelmorris5101 4 роки тому

    Did it in 29:44, slowly getting better...

  • @salihozdemir4017
    @salihozdemir4017 4 роки тому

    12.03 ! great puzzle

  • @CP-fe6jr
    @CP-fe6jr 4 роки тому

    Weird thing is, I do all 3 nyt puzzles every day, I start with a warm-up easy usually finished in 4-6 minutes, follow with the medium usually finished between 16 and 30 minutes an then the hard, which i almost always finish quicker then the medium, in other words, i find the hard one easier than the medium - usually.

  • @DNXTMaster
    @DNXTMaster 4 роки тому

    I tried this right after trying an Evil sudoku from puzzles-sudoku, so it seemed easy by comparison even though I still spent 27min on it, haha

  • @alexdixon265
    @alexdixon265 4 роки тому

    The first thing I saw was the 259 hidden triple in column 4 given by the 2 5 and 9 in box 5. Then I saw r2c4 saw 5 and 2 making it a 9

  • @Fanthomasko
    @Fanthomasko 4 роки тому

    I was stuck for 5 minutes, before finding that naked single at 15:02, but after that an easy finish

  • @BryanLeeWilliams
    @BryanLeeWilliams 4 роки тому

    22:21. Very proud of that time. Now to watch the video.

  • @chrisb8698
    @chrisb8698 4 роки тому +1

    Should have been a 22 min solve for me, got stuck until I found a naked single at the end. Unfortunately made a mistake somewhere in the solve. 😭

  • @awesomechannel7713
    @awesomechannel7713 4 роки тому

    very easy if you know box\line reduction with empty lines; 25 minutes whereas generally it takes 40-60

  • @stronggreenflame
    @stronggreenflame 4 роки тому

    how did he know that i almost exclusively do these puzzles in the office when the boss isn't looking lol

  • @TheMandersonity
    @TheMandersonity 4 роки тому

    18:36 Fairly stoked!

  • @Dr.Waffles
    @Dr.Waffles 3 роки тому

    31:10 the ending part was quite tricky but it was beautiful

  • @georgesthibaudeau1533
    @georgesthibaudeau1533 2 роки тому

    Sorry to ignore your lessons, although they are excellent and clever. But I do enjoy tackling a NY Times puzzle slowly, without using pencil marks. 35 minutes of fun.

  • @rogerjaswal
    @rogerjaswal 4 роки тому

    So I am pretty new to this channel. I have about 50/50 success with the NYT Medium puzzles and about 10% completion rate with the Hard puzzles. So I was interested when I saw this video about the NYT puzzles especially. Watching about 2:30 seconds in where he is describing the trick. So I'm still confused as to how it was determined which exposed side to look at to use for the column. Why wasn't he able to use the 1st 3x3 block from row 4, 5, 6 ? How was it determined to use the 2nd 3X3 block in row 4,5,6 to fill out the numbers in column 4?

  • @jasono8783
    @jasono8783 3 роки тому

    Came back to visit and see how I've improved- A clean 10:23 !

  • @twarnken
    @twarnken 4 роки тому

    Found the singles and some doubles. Got it done in 17:06

  • @eloib7664
    @eloib7664 4 роки тому

    17.44 happy with it!

  • @negar1368
    @negar1368 4 роки тому

    18:42 for me, watching CTC all the time is finally paying off!

  • @kvmilos
    @kvmilos 4 роки тому

    23:38 without any help, I'm a beginner, so I am happy

  • @ShadowMark474
    @ShadowMark474 4 роки тому

    30:58 for me, NYT sudoku are a lot harder when you can't click a button to find all the naked/hidden singles lol

  • @OmegaRidleyy
    @OmegaRidleyy 4 роки тому

    the trick with the 3 numbers in a block came to mind but couldn't find any useful application for it.. (missed the 259) so i quite frankly solved it the normal way with markings.. wasn't that hard

  • @MacheTheFerret
    @MacheTheFerret 4 роки тому +1

    20:04, definitely some room for improvement but I'm proud of my time.

  • @bradcarr2962
    @bradcarr2962 2 роки тому

    I'm normally able to get the NYT Hard puzzle given your coaching (but not as fast as you). However, I'm stuck on the Feb 25, 2022 puzzle - I've solved it (cheating), reset it 3 times to try and find the logic, and still can't spot the trick. Have you all tried it? I took a screenshot if useful but not sure how to post it.

  • @Mattiasthesecond
    @Mattiasthesecond 4 роки тому

    finaly I feel like progress, for once my clear isnt twice that of video lenght