BTW, fan theory of mine is the reason we don't fight Kirei if you project one too many times is because of simple timing. Shirou projects Excalibur a few steps earlier and is in no state to recognize Kirei. Shirou: "Ex-" Kirei: "Ah, so you've also made it" Shirou: "-calibur" Kirei: "Oh shit!"
Here we go to the Pemultimat part. Sorry it took so long and that this is such a long comment. Ending thoughts at the bottom.
As much as I like Rins snark here for calling out Sakura's Power trip, it still feels like she just gets off on belittling Sakura. 43:28 God I love this rationality to their powers. Doesn’t matter how large the tank is if the tap is small. 50:20 It would be around here that Saber Alter would be summoned and help Swallow Rin. 50:40 This part is probably my 3rd favourite part of this route, when these 2 finally have the talk they needed to have. Sakura gets to let out all the pent up feeling she squashed down and Rin, despite continuing to be a cunt to her in order to stop her own sadness/guilt, that unhealthy defence finally cracked and she held Sakura treating her as she always wanted to. 57:30 Thankfully she gets so much better in HA. 58:20 Yeah it’s actually similar to Tanjiro in how i feel about her here. If I was in Shirou’s position I'd be more inclined to save her, but outside that I'd feel terribly sad and still stop/kill her. 1:00:30 You hear that, that's the sound of Rin being overtaken by Saber and Rider in Best girl ranking for me. I get what she's saying but dismissing Sakura's pain as “so what” wasn’t necessary. 1:04:00 ua-cam.com/video/isL6rKNkZh0/v-deo.html I can’t hear those words the same way because of Nomura's damn Disney Fanfiction. 1:07:20 You dare to call the Greatest of all magics not serious business. Chomuske will find you. 1:10:00 UBW shirou. So yeah this is what would happen in Sparks liner high and Rider would likely Destroy the Grail after Sakura half returns to her senses and Illya might be able to help Sakura . Rin was just like Shirou, she ignored the truth she couldn’t change and substituted her own until the truth was forced upon her. 1:13:26 Sakura's VA continues to be amazing even if I just love Ilya’s Voice more, I gotta admit she's the best female voice actor here. 1:19:40 If there ever was a time it would be now. 1:24:00 Did you really think that the girl who lived through Kirie smearing her on a wall could die to a mere hole in the chest? Of course not Rin is the only person in this series to have Plot armour. 1:33:05 So remember back in the Angra Exposition, The moment Illya said “Avenger is a Servant '' Shirou's vision started to dilate. You thought it was because his mind continued to die, but in actuality he was busy playing 4D chess over here with Rule breaker. If angras the problem then break the contract and murder him. It's also the Saved projection he mentioned to Saber Alter during Sparks liner High. 1:33:51 *Steel is my body* 1:36:54 IDGAF What Nasu Says that was a Circumstantial statement. Archer barely had mana after Cu or the clash with true Excalibur would kill him be shockwave, Excalibur itself shouldn’t kill him outright with how busted this man is. If shirou can do it with a mostly deam mind and half his body as swords and no UBW Reality marble then Archer can handle the strain no F’ing problem. 1:37:00 Damn that hurts. 1:42:40 The time has come and so have I 1:43:00 On the verge of death and the Speeches never End. 1:49:40 Damn I was about to mention something but you haven't gotten to Nisemonogatari yet. But those who know what I mean. 1:56:00 That moment you realise that Kirie was originally made to be a counterpart to Shirou instead of Kiritsugu. 2:02:15 There's nothing more satisfying than the final battle of the magical fantastical battle royale being a 1V1, ManV Man Fist fight beat down. The same reason why Naruto Vs Sasuke Shippuden Ver. was so goddamn great. No jutsus just punches. 2:04:45 *Steel is my Body* Motha Fucka, didn’t you hear me the first time. Zouken, what if UBW Shirou had to keep fighting for longer and longer? What If his goal was pursued further than EMIYA, Further than EMIYA Alter towards Eternity. Until the goal itself was consumed in the journey toward the strength and skill to attain it. 2:16:38Light and Darkness. A HF Exclusive OST for this fight only, and God damn is it good. But If you haven’t yet, look up Crow's Claw Light and Darkness- not the 2019 one but the 2012(?) one. 2:25:36 At this point If you already had seen the True Ending there would be a choice on whether to Project Excalibur to choose the Normal End. 2:45:46 Kinda related, ss of FGO/Kaleid it's been revealed that Rin is one of Wavers Apprentices and helps destroy the Greater Grail/Cavern after all the routes excluding HF of Course. 2:47:37 Church lost a supervisor so they needed to replace them. 2:47:56 So while we haven't seen it yet, Rider can actually be a Caster class so she teaches Sakura Magic 2:51:20 So It’s a fan theory that Sakura and Shirou have made contributions to the City/Victims harmed in the event in the 2 years that passed along with Sakura serving as the supervisor. I personally really like this theory since the VN doesn’t really expand much on the guilt and atonement that Sakura and Shirou go through post Grail war. The Idea that they've been helping out the people is a nice one and I hope that the Movie does something to expand on the epilogue. Honestly I feel that Spring song will be the best of the 3 movies since there is not really much left so they can afford to add in new scenes to improve the end. Along with that, If we do get an OVA I want Sparks Liner High animated instead of the Normal ending -I’ll give up Shirou using Excalibur for Shirou Vs Saber 2:55:00 “Illya: Well, he’ll probably show up when Rin can make the Gem sword on her own.” 2:57:50 The Reports on the situation before he Died. 2:59:20 Nasu the Troll Strikes again 3:04:20 So that early Interlude where Zouken explained that the Soul holds the form/age/memories of the body was also foreshadowing. When given the puppet body it molded to his form without the Arm and restored the memories that he'd lost/ his body wasn’t able to record at the time. The Incomplete 3rd sorcery means he still ages while the true thing might have made him immortal. 3:06:40 I always thought it was Illya’s Body after she died but as others have said it makes more sense that he was put into the pendent. 3:10:40 All Rin wants after the longest Battle royale arc in the Anime is a tournament Arc.
Overall ending thoughts 3:31:49 “Since Excalibur is an Amplifier that transforms the magical energy of its possessor, the light of Black Saber has also turned Black” Inversely even if Excalibur Morgan is used, If the sword judges the wielder to be good alignment, it’s light will reflect that judgment- thus Black Excalibur shone with Shirou’s pure light. I like the True ending since so much of the parts of it were things relating to previous moments. I get that it seems too happy for some people but HF had horrible feelings and tension throughout the entire route so having it end with the Normal ending would have been a bit too somber for me. With this, Sakura and rin live and finally see eye to eye with their feelings out in the open and Shirou is there to ensure Sakura obtains the happiness she was denied and it did come with a price. Saber was important to Shirou but he was convinced he needed to kill her but Illya was one of the most important people to him that he wanted to save that personal loss was his direct punishment and cost; the wish that could never come true required an appropriate miracle and sorcery/the Holy grail was it. As we know from Archer illya dying will stay with him. As I Mentioned earlier, if the Movie adds in a scene of them trying to atone to the remaining victims of the city then it’d be pretty much perfect for me.
However I do like the Normal Ending since the repercussions for Sakura's action weigh on her, like if Kiritsugu didn’t have Shirou, and then some. The sheer despair-tinged ending really makes you feel bad- that Sakura still lived out her life in the house of cruel memories even if being without Shirou was suffering, as a part of her retribution for everything she caused. She likely did have some sort of job as well at least for a while since everyone was out and she needed to put food on the table to suffer longer until Shirou could forgive her in the Hell they end up in together.
God I love this Route, VN and Series and im glad that you did too . Tsukihime will be an intresting journey since im not as familiar with the extra information like in Fate.
It is pretty cool how Kirei projected a lot of himself onto Kiritsugu because of similarities in their careers, just to find out that he was his polar opposite, but he actually found someone similar to himself in Shirou despite being polar opposites on the surface. Really tells you that peoples actions are not necessarily indicative of their inner workings. The altruistic schoolboy being broken in a similar way to him, while the hardened mage killer was just a kind but misguided person at his core. This part definitively has a lot of amazing cgs, especially the Sakura and Rin confrontation. Rulebreaker is pretty op, in general Casters have a high skill floor because they suck at direct fights, but the potential for fuckery is immense.
1:10:15 this is basically the crux of Rin`s cold attitude, like yes, Sakura had it...lets just say apocalyptic, with the daily worm pit quota and stuff, but Rin didnt have it great either,quite bad actually, like she lost her sister, lost her dad in HGW4, her mom ended up insane and then died later. So yeah, with her family broken Rin figured Sakura might not have it good, but its probably not much worse than herself
58:06 Do you remember the earlier conversation about Sakura being skeptical of medicine. This is what I instantly thought of. I think there's also a scene about when Shirou taught her about making food that also gave hints of this. 2:13:00 And there it's revealed. Zouken is literally someone like Kiritsugu. Any means for the end. An end of utopia. Of the eradication of all evil and conflict. Along the way he turned himself more and more inhuman, until what remained was only his desire to keep going. 3:27:54-3:32:20 This is the most beautifully written part of the VN. It also really shows how far Shirou has come. From being riddled with guilt due to the fire, where he ignored people dying in order to live. At the same time dying as a person, but saved by Kiritsugu, with his impression being the happiness Kiritsugu showed in saving someone. To taking up the ideal of the person he looked up to the most, the idea of someone saving people from unreasonable situations. Leading to the Shirou we meet in the beginning of the VN, who realizes the folly of trying to save everyone, but still desires it. To Heaven's Feel, where he finally finds his wishes for himself, rather than trying to live for others to atone for his sins and seeking happiness through the act of saving (which is the dark aspect of his superhero, which Kirei also comments on, that a superhero needs a villain, he needs people to be in danger and hurt). Well, he does so in Fate as well, as shown in the monologue before the fight against Gil and Kirei.
Hello again, Yoro. Just wanted to clear up some of your confusion. In the HF True End, when Rin mentions Kirei reporting to the Magic Association, she was referring to letters he wrote to them as supervisor of the HGW. There is an interlude with Kirei and Gilgamesh where Kirei is writing one earlier in the route. As to the 'body' that Illya used, you'll notice that the text never says body, it says container. That plus the line about Rider 'plucking' him out of the rubble of the cave leads some fans to speculate that Illya actually transferred his soul to the pendant, then Rin later transferred it to the puppet body from Touko. I would definitely read Tsukihime and Hollow Ataraxia before watching Carnival Phantasm. There is also a similar sequel/fandisk for Tsukihime called Kagetsu Tohya, but I would only recommend that if you really like the Tsukihime cast. Also, Tsukihime is structured more like older VNs, single exe, with route selection based on your choices, unlike Realta Nua which locks you into a given route. There are 5 routes for the 5 heroines (with varying endings), the first two (Arcueid and Ciel) are the Near Side Routes, you will have to finish one of those before you can do the Far Side Routes (Akiha, Hisui and Kohaku), and I think you can only do Kohaku's after Akiha or Hisui's. It is best, I think, to do them all in order, but its not strictly setup that way. Also, I don't know if you are into fanfiction, but when you eventually reach the end of Fate/Nasuverse content I could link you to some of the better ones, if you like.
Yoro and everyone: I hope you are staying healthy and happy during this time of contagion! Its so much fun watching your reactions. My favorites were you being stunned at Gil's ' entrance in Fate and cussing at Rin's shanking. I'm glad you are going to tackle Tsukihime -- There's only so much Nasuverse sorrow and angst I can handle, so I stopped reading after I completed a certain route there.
Well said, friend! And thank you very much, I'm happy my investment in this incredible story has provided some entertainment :) oh gosh, I still remember those moments, especially Rin all bloodied up when I was heavy in my Rin fan phase lol. And oh man...into hell I go I suppose. I'll buckle up
@@YOROKOBE sakura nightmare perspective from vn and movie i.redd.it/1y40g7ccu4j31.png And after Gilgamesh attack she got idea what was going on her and then again she disappeared her conscious last person who stand wasn't sakura during the vn it also cleared lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20344/13-HF12-13-32.jpg
The only consolation for Arturia this time is that she meant so much to Shirou that he had to erase his memory of her to move forward. The Shirou who cared and loved Arturia could not exist in the same world as the Shirou that sacrificed everything for Sakura. Also, your not wrong about the alternate timelines like fate UBW HF ect in relation to the zelretch dagger, its absolutely mind bendingly insane. Nasu is a damn genius. Sakura needed that rant. Anyone in her position would want to lash out like she is. But in the general sense its something i cant condone. Kotomine truly envied normal people who did not live with a horrible distortion like him. Just as his pain at inversely causing suffering to his wife/daughter and father(those whom he loved more than anyone) showed, he is one who is constantly searching for answers for why he exists as he does and seeking validation for it. Its quite fitting for him to go out in this manner. "what others called happiness did not bring me any joy" Shirou who can only live while protecting others(note that changing his ideal didnt change that either, it just changed the outlet to just sakura), and Kotomine who can only live while causing suffering to others. They are similar and yet exact opposites. Zero kind of copied that dynamic with kiritsugu and kotomine even though it was intentional. One issue i have with true end is that the rule of only being able to save a set number and making tough sacrifices is kind of is neglected due to the story trying to wrap things up into a pretty bow, even if Arturia and Illya isnt there. There should be far more bittersweetness and lamentation and suffering of the characters for what they have lost and had to sacrifice in order to gain a decent result. That's why i love normal end a lot more than true end. It fits the trajectory of the route with Shirou becoming the hero he wanted to be by saving Sakura and taking on her crimes with his own life and Sakura having to live with that, being free but having that missing and having to come to terms with it. Cant wait for Last Episode! I am prepared to cry again
@@MrInuhanyou123 All good. I don't ever remember you getting in a verbal scrap and when you correct or clarify mistaken info /impressions you don't condescend. I'll probably see you over at Tanner's Zero series.
One issue with the normal end I have is that it never gave a conclusion to Illya's tale and Kirei's tale. If their story was given a conclusion in the Normal End, I'm sure many would prefer this over the True End.
2:34:45 - just one line from Luviagelta and I immediately realize she has the same VA as that super arrogant character from Re:Zero - Priscilla. Wiki confirms it, though in all the spinoffs where she appears she's voiced by another VA.
Man woooooooow I have not felt this wholesome in a while, good God that ending was such a nice pay off like what the hell, my heart melted at that CG of Sakura smiling and like, did you notice how Rin and Sakura had exactly the same hairstyle? That was so fucking cute.
Lmao I think in the second last tiger dojo when Taiga said that it's like a harem route ending, she was referring to when Sakura said 'I left them for you at the entrance as a surprise guess I'll recall them.' My guess is she made copies of herself or someone else like Rin or Rider basically anyone that attracts Shirou sexually as a temptation/trap for him or something.
Almost a decade before the JoJokes about Dio and other manly waifus you had the meme of YOROKOBE SHONEN and the best girl Kotomone Kirei! Seriously, "best girl Kotomine" was a typical gag in the 2000s Nasuverse forums and you can more or less thank the Heaven's Feel route for that. Anyways, I should mention the content of an interview of Nasu where he talks about Kirei. Basically the worth of the protagonist is measured in the worth of their nemesis. In that view he took a lot of effort into developing Kotomine Kirei's character as a foil to Shirou. Because yes, more than anyone else the one true enemy of Emiya Shirou is Kirei. It's somewhat a pity we only see this relationship unfold in the last route.
Hate to be this guy (I like Fate a lot more than JJBA), but Dio memes existed years before F/SN got English translation. Jojo is a much older series than Fate and there's even older Dio-centric OVAs from 90s. Of course there's a surge of new (sometimes rehashed) memes with new TV Jojo adaptations, but that's inevitable with a popular franchise like Jojo. Main point: JJBA was popular before David Production adapted it and there were plenty of Dio memes back then too, just among manga readers. Not like it matters, not sure what kind of contest it is, lol.
@@Mr_Cinos Best Girl Dio is a rather fresh meme, not even a decade old. I never denied JJBA's seniority but it isn't the point. The now famous Dio memes came with the new anime so yes, you're getting confused here.
Yeah I am literally confused when everyone calling best girl kotomine and even in meme . I was totally confused why the hell male characters would become best girl
One more thing I like to describe about true ending is most fitting ending for heaven's feel. Maybe it make sense or not but I want to say here shirou kills berserker and saber for the act to save sakura from becoming proper vessel for holy grail but he also released berserker and saber from the control of shadow and they become heroic spirit again and after that heroic spirit collected by illya berserker from einzbern forest and saber from cavern as we know now illya who has already collect the heroic spirit of archer , saber and berserker . And then when shirou come to save sakura and saved her by rule breaker and also released her from the shadow and other heroic spirit which she consumed under the control of zouken and angra mainyu they are released and after she released by the control of angra mainyu and then shirou fight with kotomine . Now illya enter to the cavern with heaven's feel dress as I said she already had collected archer and berserker and now she is collecting other heroic spirit now who are released from the shadow and after become justeaze with small talk zouken decide looking to his end to his journey and die for his own sake to free from his own curse and then she return to illya Saving shirou life before he killed himself and in order saying I am older sister so it my duty to protect my younger brother not she save shirou and also she released all the heroic spirit from the role of great holy grail and sending all the heroic spirit to their original place where they belong and then before illya saving the world by closing the greater grail she saved shirou from the third soccercery by reviving his soul and after that illya reunion with her mother . I think she functioning as a incomplete grail because of half human and half humuculus. Their is a fact where all heroic spirit are defeated once and they are collected by holy grail.
Finished the 2nd half of the video. Heavens Feel 3 will possibly finally tell us what the container was, the general guess was a flower cuz jokes about being plucked and growing if watered the body supposedly isnt a great match cuz Shirou has 27 circuits while Touko has a undisclosed low amount and she supposedly just gave them one of the Touko puppet backups,not that she built something specific for shirou, thats why they wanna track her down and get a bespoke shirou doll Using another projection is the fast track to Normal end, ignoring affection point choices, you even skip the Kirei battle and Zouken`s death. As for the logic behind Shirou skipping the Kirei battle involves a lot of speculation.That the extra projection is making shirou`s brainlags worse so he advances too slow and Kireis time runs out before shirou gets there and braindead shirou ignores the corpse and Illya maybe also doesnt sacrifice herself cuz she cant save shirou so no point in killing herself,or that she`s there guiding braindead shirou to the end. If you dont use another projection and fail to gather all the illya points, you still fight Kirei, you just skip Zouken`s death and Illya doesnt come to the rescue. So use Another projection is the best choice cuz after it gives you the Normal end, you go back and get a great "A Wild Kotomine has appeared" battle Yeah, Last Episode is unlocked by getting all 5 endings and getting all the Tiger dojo`s unlocks something else
Ahhhh a flower huh, makes sense with the jokes, it is cool to think what the movie can visually depict now. Wait, Shirou has one of Touko's backups as his body? Wild. Also wild to speculate about what exactly happens there during the normal end, yeah, good question but good guesses
The container was the pendant of Rin, Illya died but she was able to put his soul in the pendant, Touko made his new body and thanks to that he is alive in the true end
Yes that is respected scene for illya where now shirou didn't forget about his sister illya for saving his life . And she is now become shirou life true herione and even he was in dying age he cannot forget illya for giving him second chance.
Congratulations on finishing the FSN VN! You've come so far from starting from Fate Zero. Brilliant reaction as always. It was funny seeing you thinking that Shirou died in the True end because that was also my reaction playing this game years ago. Thank you for playing this and good work, looking forward to seeing more from you. Btw are you gonna play Hollow Ataraxia?
Thank you! Yeah, who knew someone who started with Fate/Zero would come this deep into hell? I really appreciate the kind words, I'm glad you enjoyed the playthrough :) I was so deathly scared Shirou died lmao glad I'm not the only one. Hell yeah, I'm ready to keep venturing into hell! To Tsukihime! (and then FHA of course)
@@YOROKOBE Yeah, it's pretty rare for someone who started at Zero actually liking anything else Fate related lol. I will be watching your Tsukihime playthrough, It's been so long since I've played it myself, looking forward to it!
And their is a youtube video where chaldea gurus in sippy review explain about 'why all the hate Sakura matou' it is a defence video for sakura character . And I think she is most defenced character existed in fsn ever even compare to rin and saber .
1:51 So I don't think anybody mentioned it yet, but Heavens Feel has some excellent Parallels with the Fate route In the Fate route the first Servant to die is Rider who is defeated when she uses Bellerophon against Saber who defeats her with Excalibur And what do we see here? Rider using Bellerophon against Saber who is using Excalibur, but this time it's a little different >:D Another example would be in regards to Berserker, who is defeated by Shirou using Projection magic in both routes, in the Fate route he needed Saber's help, in Heavens Feel he could do it on his own
I don't know which one I like more kiritsugu vs kirei or shirou vs kirei. I like both for different reasons. The former is really quick and tactical while the latter is two dead men walking beating the shit out of each other. Either way they're both awesome! Emiya's always have the best fights!
Yes they are badass their own way where Keri vs kiritsugu fight was weapon and some magic and heaven's feel Keri vs shirou was fist to fist fight and was dramatic . In fate Keri vs shirou was literally sucked. Why fate Keri vs shirou but I find this fight was badass in sucked way . I loved fate route and even ubw route . And we cannot compare each route they have their own speciality . And even every herione are best in their own way .
The angel thing is bullshit because Angels also can choose between good and evil. That's how the whole Satan mess took place and how heaven got split in demons (followers of his selfish ways) and angels (those who chose not to follow him)
So regarding the True End: Imagine if Willy Loman showed up in Death of a Salesman’s last scene and his family had a good laugh and lived off the insurance settlement. Imagine Juliet waking from her “coma” potion and convincing her family to let her marry Romeo. Imagine Madoka wishing away both Incubators and witches, and everybody living happily ever after. Would those stories have the same impact? Shiro is a man whose nature compels him to not stop giving. Sakura is a girl whose nature compels her to not stop taking. How could tragedy not await them if they are together?
Don't make bad comparisons just because you don't like the ending. Heaven's feel leads naturally to this ending once you take into consideration the third sorcery. In fate, shirou obtains his fate of being a hero In ubw, he obtains unlimited blade works In hf, he obtains heaven's feel. Makes perfect sense.
Very true. IIRC Nasu has said that the original only end for HF was very similar to normal end in its melancholy and outcome. But to give players a decent sense of closure he added true end. It really shows
@@yoster39 It's not a matter of liking/disliking. The arm is Chekov's Gun that is repeatedly foreshadowed. To me it feels natural for it to go off, to you it feels natural for it to be avoided, given the route progression. ETA: MrINU's long comment expresses my reservations better than me
@@kourousxnasasis6340 I get what you mean, the arm indeed is a death sentence, this only shows how powerful true magic is, shirou would have died without it (did indeed die, heaven's feel saved just his soul). Idk I feel like true end isn't as bright as it looks, sakura is has to release magic power every now and then (which means she must be careful when doing so given how compatible she was with angra, she might accidentally curse somebody), shirou is only pretending to live like a human thanks to a pretty good replica body... yes it's a good ending but it isn't a happily ever after, the price was paid, mitigated yes, but paid. It's a best case scenario given the situation, and it portrays the power of heaven's feel when applied correctly. Idk maybe a better ending would be a mix between the two endings so some people don't feel it's an undeserved good ending, or a plain bad end, but whatever, personally I hope they go for true end in the movie. heck there isn't even the last kirei confrontation in normal.
The Normal End doesn't conclude Kirei, Zouken nor Illya's character arc. Both Kirei and Illya simply dissapear from the story to never be mentioned again. Besides, Nasu always ends his stories in a hopeful note. If Kara No Kyoukai had a happy ending why Heaven's Feel can't
Years ago, when I was reading this novel I got normal end first and that was awesome as hell. I loved Heaven's Feel route cuz of this end. Such perfect ending for such twisted route. What else can you expect? Sakura and Shirou. Faithful lovers, such respectable ending. And that I eventually got true end and I hated Heaven's Feel, because nobody pays any price and everybody lives on happily. That ending got my nerves and I honestly felt that true end is an insult for this whole route. It is so clichéd and does not fit Heaven's Feel's atmosphere at all. And now I realized it again that my opinions did not change. I still hate this route because of true end and I still love this route because of normal end. Ah, thank you Heaven's Feel. Thank you for that normal end. It was such an awesome, unexpected badass ending.
I can see your perspective, given the weight of what Shirou accepted and Sakura's numerous nom nom murder, I would have expected a more somber yet possibly hopeful ending for the true end. The existence of the normal end in that sense, while painful, is fitting
1:59:00 it won't be defective, since(if) it's a diety like he said; only humans like he and shirou can be defective . kirei x shirou is the OTP, gonna enjoy this reaction
i told you months ago when you first started zero i believe , that even zouken wasn't evil in the begining. Shinji either. Just like sakura herself , that became evil because she was put in a terrible situation , they were slowly corruppted the same way edit : shirou also got a bigger dick xd. thats why sakura is embarassed
all sakura hater come from this route but in movie sakura is way better than original heaven's feel vn and they fix it by making really sakura route because in novel it is like illya route and kotomine route so they thought change it script by cutting more scene with illya and kotomine and also replace many things from novel which way better for sakura I think. That why movie does way better for sakura instead of vn.
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BTW, fan theory of mine is the reason we don't fight Kirei if you project one too many times is because of simple timing. Shirou projects Excalibur a few steps earlier and is in no state to recognize Kirei.
Shirou: "Ex-"
Kirei: "Ah, so you've also made it"
Shirou: "-calibur"
Kirei: "Oh shit!"
Lol
Watching you wind yourself up over whether Shirou was dead or not was hilarious and also kinda heartrending, haha.
Here we go to the Pemultimat part. Sorry it took so long
and that this is such a long comment. Ending thoughts at the bottom.
As much as I like Rins snark here for calling out Sakura's Power trip, it still feels like she just gets off on belittling Sakura.
43:28 God I love this rationality to their powers. Doesn’t matter how large the tank is if the tap is small.
50:20 It would be around here that Saber Alter would be summoned and help Swallow Rin.
50:40 This part is probably my 3rd favourite part of this route, when these 2 finally have the talk they needed to have. Sakura gets to let out all the pent up feeling she squashed down and Rin, despite continuing to be a cunt to her in order to stop her own sadness/guilt, that unhealthy defence finally cracked and she held Sakura treating her as she always wanted to.
57:30 Thankfully she gets so much better in HA.
58:20 Yeah it’s actually similar to Tanjiro in how i feel about her here. If I was in Shirou’s position I'd be more inclined to save her, but outside that I'd feel terribly sad and still stop/kill her.
1:00:30 You hear that, that's the sound of Rin being overtaken by Saber and Rider in Best girl ranking for me. I get what she's saying but dismissing Sakura's pain as “so what” wasn’t necessary.
1:04:00 ua-cam.com/video/isL6rKNkZh0/v-deo.html I can’t hear those words the same way because of Nomura's damn Disney Fanfiction.
1:07:20 You dare to call the Greatest of all magics not serious business. Chomuske will find you.
1:10:00 UBW shirou. So yeah this is what would happen in Sparks liner high and Rider would likely Destroy the Grail after Sakura half returns to her senses and Illya might be able to help Sakura . Rin was just like Shirou, she ignored the truth she couldn’t change and substituted her own until the truth was forced upon her.
1:13:26 Sakura's VA continues to be amazing even if I just love Ilya’s Voice more, I gotta admit she's the best female voice actor here.
1:19:40 If there ever was a time it would be now.
1:24:00 Did you really think that the girl who lived through Kirie smearing her on a wall could die to a mere hole in the chest? Of course not Rin is the only person in this series to have Plot armour.
1:33:05 So remember back in the Angra Exposition, The moment Illya said “Avenger is a Servant '' Shirou's vision started to dilate. You thought it was because his mind continued to die, but in actuality he was busy playing 4D chess over here with Rule breaker. If angras the problem then break the contract and murder him. It's also the Saved projection he mentioned to Saber Alter during Sparks liner High.
1:33:51 *Steel is my body*
1:36:54 IDGAF What Nasu Says that was a Circumstantial statement. Archer barely had mana after Cu or the clash with true Excalibur would kill him be shockwave, Excalibur itself shouldn’t kill him outright with how busted this man is. If shirou can do it with a mostly deam mind and half his body as swords and no UBW Reality marble then Archer can handle the strain no F’ing problem.
1:37:00 Damn that hurts.
1:42:40 The time has come and so have I
1:43:00 On the verge of death and the Speeches never End.
1:49:40 Damn I was about to mention something but you haven't gotten to Nisemonogatari yet. But those who know what I mean.
1:56:00 That moment you realise that Kirie was originally made to be a counterpart to Shirou instead of Kiritsugu.
2:02:15 There's nothing more satisfying than the final battle of the magical fantastical battle royale being a 1V1, ManV Man Fist fight beat down. The same reason why Naruto Vs Sasuke Shippuden Ver. was so goddamn great. No jutsus just punches.
2:04:45 *Steel is my Body* Motha Fucka, didn’t you hear me the first time.
Zouken, what if UBW Shirou had to keep fighting for longer and longer? What If his goal was pursued further than EMIYA, Further than EMIYA Alter towards Eternity. Until the goal itself was consumed in the journey toward the strength and skill to attain it.
2:16:38Light and Darkness. A HF Exclusive OST for this fight only, and God damn is it good. But If you haven’t yet, look up Crow's Claw Light and Darkness- not the 2019 one but the 2012(?) one.
2:25:36 At this point If you already had seen the True Ending there would be a choice on whether to Project Excalibur to choose the Normal End.
2:45:46 Kinda related, ss of FGO/Kaleid it's been revealed that Rin is one of Wavers Apprentices and helps destroy the Greater Grail/Cavern after all the routes excluding HF of Course.
2:47:37 Church lost a supervisor so they needed to replace them.
2:47:56 So while we haven't seen it yet, Rider can actually be a Caster class so she teaches Sakura Magic
2:51:20 So It’s a fan theory that Sakura and Shirou have made contributions to the City/Victims harmed in the event in the 2 years that passed along with Sakura serving as the supervisor. I personally really like this theory since the VN doesn’t really expand much on the guilt and atonement that Sakura and Shirou go through post Grail war. The Idea that they've been helping out the people is a nice one and I hope that the Movie does something to expand on the epilogue. Honestly I feel that Spring song will be the best of the 3 movies since there is not really much left so they can afford to add in new scenes to improve the end. Along with that, If we do get an OVA I want Sparks Liner High animated instead of the Normal ending -I’ll give up Shirou using Excalibur for Shirou Vs Saber
2:55:00 “Illya: Well, he’ll probably show up when Rin can make the Gem sword on her own.”
2:57:50 The Reports on the situation before he Died.
2:59:20 Nasu the Troll Strikes again
3:04:20 So that early Interlude where Zouken explained that the Soul holds the form/age/memories of the body was also foreshadowing. When given the puppet body it molded to his form without the Arm and restored the memories that he'd lost/ his body wasn’t able to record at the time. The Incomplete 3rd sorcery means he still ages while the true thing might have made him immortal.
3:06:40 I always thought it was Illya’s Body after she died but as others have said it makes more sense that he was put into the pendent.
3:10:40 All Rin wants after the longest Battle royale arc in the Anime is a tournament Arc.
Overall ending thoughts
3:31:49 “Since Excalibur is an Amplifier that transforms the magical energy of its possessor, the light of Black Saber has also turned Black” Inversely even if Excalibur Morgan is used, If the sword judges the wielder to be good alignment, it’s light will reflect that judgment- thus Black Excalibur shone with Shirou’s pure light.
I like the True ending since so much of the parts of it were things relating to previous moments. I get that it seems too happy for some people but HF had horrible feelings and tension throughout the entire route so having it end with the Normal ending would have been a bit too somber for me. With this, Sakura and rin live and finally see eye to eye with their feelings out in the open and Shirou is there to ensure Sakura obtains the happiness she was denied and it did come with a price. Saber was important to Shirou but he was convinced he needed to kill her but Illya was one of the most important people to him that he wanted to save that personal loss was his direct punishment and cost; the wish that could never come true required an appropriate miracle and sorcery/the Holy grail was it. As we know from Archer illya dying will stay with him. As I Mentioned earlier, if the Movie adds in a scene of them trying to atone to the remaining victims of the city then it’d be pretty much perfect for me.
However I do like the Normal Ending since the repercussions for Sakura's action weigh on her, like if Kiritsugu didn’t have Shirou, and then some. The sheer despair-tinged ending really makes you feel bad- that Sakura still lived out her life in the house of cruel memories even if being without Shirou was suffering, as a part of her retribution for everything she caused. She likely did have some sort of job as well at least for a while since everyone was out and she needed to put food on the table to suffer longer until Shirou could forgive her in the Hell they end up in together.
God I love this Route, VN and Series and im glad that you did too
. Tsukihime will be an intresting journey since im not as familiar with the extra information like in Fate.
It is pretty cool how Kirei projected a lot of himself onto Kiritsugu because of similarities in their careers, just to find out that he was his polar opposite, but he actually found someone similar to himself in Shirou despite being polar opposites on the surface. Really tells you that peoples actions are not necessarily indicative of their inner workings. The altruistic schoolboy being broken in a similar way to him, while the hardened mage killer was just a kind but misguided person at his core.
This part definitively has a lot of amazing cgs, especially the Sakura and Rin confrontation. Rulebreaker is pretty op, in general Casters have a high skill floor because they suck at direct fights, but the potential for fuckery is immense.
1:10:15 this is basically the crux of Rin`s cold attitude, like yes, Sakura had it...lets just say apocalyptic, with the daily worm pit quota and stuff, but Rin didnt have it great either,quite bad actually, like she lost her sister, lost her dad in HGW4, her mom ended up insane and then died later. So yeah, with her family broken Rin figured Sakura might not have it good, but its probably not much worse than herself
58:06 Do you remember the earlier conversation about Sakura being skeptical of medicine. This is what I instantly thought of. I think there's also a scene about when Shirou taught her about making food that also gave hints of this.
2:13:00 And there it's revealed. Zouken is literally someone like Kiritsugu. Any means for the end. An end of utopia. Of the eradication of all evil and conflict. Along the way he turned himself more and more inhuman, until what remained was only his desire to keep going.
3:27:54-3:32:20 This is the most beautifully written part of the VN. It also really shows how far Shirou has come. From being riddled with guilt due to the fire, where he ignored people dying in order to live. At the same time dying as a person, but saved by Kiritsugu, with his impression being the happiness Kiritsugu showed in saving someone. To taking up the ideal of the person he looked up to the most, the idea of someone saving people from unreasonable situations. Leading to the Shirou we meet in the beginning of the VN, who realizes the folly of trying to save everyone, but still desires it. To Heaven's Feel, where he finally finds his wishes for himself, rather than trying to live for others to atone for his sins and seeking happiness through the act of saving (which is the dark aspect of his superhero, which Kirei also comments on, that a superhero needs a villain, he needs people to be in danger and hurt). Well, he does so in Fate as well, as shown in the monologue before the fight against Gil and Kirei.
I loved how his curse at Nasu for trying to trick him into thinking Shirou was dead was the same as mine.
Hello again, Yoro. Just wanted to clear up some of your confusion. In the HF True End, when Rin mentions Kirei reporting to the Magic Association, she was referring to letters he wrote to them as supervisor of the HGW. There is an interlude with Kirei and Gilgamesh where Kirei is writing one earlier in the route. As to the 'body' that Illya used, you'll notice that the text never says body, it says container. That plus the line about Rider 'plucking' him out of the rubble of the cave leads some fans to speculate that Illya actually transferred his soul to the pendant, then Rin later transferred it to the puppet body from Touko.
I would definitely read Tsukihime and Hollow Ataraxia before watching Carnival Phantasm. There is also a similar sequel/fandisk for Tsukihime called Kagetsu Tohya, but I would only recommend that if you really like the Tsukihime cast. Also, Tsukihime is structured more like older VNs, single exe, with route selection based on your choices, unlike Realta Nua which locks you into a given route. There are 5 routes for the 5 heroines (with varying endings), the first two (Arcueid and Ciel) are the Near Side Routes, you will have to finish one of those before you can do the Far Side Routes (Akiha, Hisui and Kohaku), and I think you can only do Kohaku's after Akiha or Hisui's. It is best, I think, to do them all in order, but its not strictly setup that way.
Also, I don't know if you are into fanfiction, but when you eventually reach the end of Fate/Nasuverse content I could link you to some of the better ones, if you like.
Yoro and everyone:
I hope you are staying healthy and happy during this time of contagion! Its so much fun watching your reactions. My favorites were you being stunned at Gil's ' entrance in Fate and cussing at Rin's shanking. I'm glad you are going to tackle Tsukihime -- There's only so much Nasuverse sorrow and angst I can handle, so I stopped reading after I completed a certain route there.
Well said, friend! And thank you very much, I'm happy my investment in this incredible story has provided some entertainment :) oh gosh, I still remember those moments, especially Rin all bloodied up when I was heavy in my Rin fan phase lol. And oh man...into hell I go I suppose. I'll buckle up
I loooove True Ending, its just crazy pay-off. And cograts with finishing Heavens Feel once again, these been absolute blast to watch to!
Glad you enjoyed the playthrough man, thank you!
Thanks for reading such an amazing VN. Enjoyed your whole Let's Read and I'm glad that you liked it.
And thank you for watching with me :) nothing will be quite like my experience with FSN
@@YOROKOBE sakura nightmare perspective from vn and movie i.redd.it/1y40g7ccu4j31.png
And after Gilgamesh attack she got idea what was going on her and then again she disappeared her conscious last person who stand wasn't sakura during the vn it also cleared
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The only consolation for Arturia this time is that she meant so much to Shirou that he had to erase his memory of her to move forward. The Shirou who cared and loved Arturia could not exist in the same world as the Shirou that sacrificed everything for Sakura.
Also, your not wrong about the alternate timelines like fate UBW HF ect in relation to the zelretch dagger, its absolutely mind bendingly insane. Nasu is a damn genius.
Sakura needed that rant. Anyone in her position would want to lash out like she is. But in the general sense its something i cant condone.
Kotomine truly envied normal people who did not live with a horrible distortion like him. Just as his pain at inversely causing suffering to his wife/daughter and father(those whom he loved more than anyone) showed, he is one who is constantly searching for answers for why he exists as he does and seeking validation for it. Its quite fitting for him to go out in this manner.
"what others called happiness did not bring me any joy"
Shirou who can only live while protecting others(note that changing his ideal didnt change that either, it just changed the outlet to just sakura), and Kotomine who can only live while causing suffering to others. They are similar and yet exact opposites. Zero kind of copied that dynamic with kiritsugu and kotomine even though it was intentional.
One issue i have with true end is that the rule of only being able to save a set number and making tough sacrifices is kind of is neglected due to the story trying to wrap things up into a pretty bow, even if Arturia and Illya isnt there. There should be far more bittersweetness and lamentation and suffering of the characters for what they have lost and had to sacrifice in order to gain a decent result. That's why i love normal end a lot more than true end. It fits the trajectory of the route with Shirou becoming the hero he wanted to be by saving Sakura and taking on her crimes with his own life and Sakura having to live with that, being free but having that missing and having to come to terms with it.
Cant wait for Last Episode! I am prepared to cry again
Wow I don't think I've ever seen a fate vid you haven't commented on!
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@@MrInuhanyou123 All good. I don't ever remember you getting in a verbal scrap and when you correct or clarify mistaken info /impressions you don't condescend. I'll probably see you over at Tanner's Zero series.
@@kourousxnasasis6340 haha...well i have gotten into some small sqabbles regarding my opinions on fate kaleid but that's about it
One issue with the normal end I have is that it never gave a conclusion to Illya's tale and Kirei's tale. If their story was given a conclusion in the Normal End, I'm sure many would prefer this over the True End.
2:34:45 - just one line from Luviagelta and I immediately realize she has the same VA as that super arrogant character from Re:Zero - Priscilla. Wiki confirms it, though in all the spinoffs where she appears she's voiced by another VA.
Good ear! That kind of character suits her...
Man woooooooow I have not felt this wholesome in a while, good God that ending was such a nice pay off like what the hell, my heart melted at that CG of Sakura smiling and like, did you notice how Rin and Sakura had exactly the same hairstyle? That was so fucking cute.
Lmao I think in the second last tiger dojo when Taiga said that it's like a harem route ending, she was referring to when Sakura said 'I left them for you at the entrance as a surprise guess I'll recall them.' My guess is she made copies of herself or someone else like Rin or Rider basically anyone that attracts Shirou sexually as a temptation/trap for him or something.
Almost a decade before the JoJokes about Dio and other manly waifus you had the meme of YOROKOBE SHONEN and the best girl Kotomone Kirei!
Seriously, "best girl Kotomine" was a typical gag in the 2000s Nasuverse forums and you can more or less thank the Heaven's Feel route for that. Anyways, I should mention the content of an interview of Nasu where he talks about Kirei. Basically the worth of the protagonist is measured in the worth of their nemesis. In that view he took a lot of effort into developing Kotomine Kirei's character as a foil to Shirou. Because yes, more than anyone else the one true enemy of Emiya Shirou is Kirei. It's somewhat a pity we only see this relationship unfold in the last route.
Hate to be this guy (I like Fate a lot more than JJBA), but Dio memes existed years before F/SN got English translation. Jojo is a much older series than Fate and there's even older Dio-centric OVAs from 90s. Of course there's a surge of new (sometimes rehashed) memes with new TV Jojo adaptations, but that's inevitable with a popular franchise like Jojo. Main point: JJBA was popular before David Production adapted it and there were plenty of Dio memes back then too, just among manga readers. Not like it matters, not sure what kind of contest it is, lol.
@@Mr_Cinos Best Girl Dio is a rather fresh meme, not even a decade old. I never denied JJBA's seniority but it isn't the point. The now famous Dio memes came with the new anime so yes, you're getting confused here.
Yeah I am literally confused when everyone calling best girl kotomine and even in meme . I was totally confused why the hell male characters would become best girl
One more thing I like to describe about true ending is most fitting ending for heaven's feel. Maybe it make sense or not but I want to say here shirou kills berserker and saber for the act to save sakura from becoming proper vessel for holy grail but he also released berserker and saber from the control of shadow and they become heroic spirit again and after that heroic spirit collected by illya berserker from einzbern forest and saber from cavern as we know now illya who has already collect the heroic spirit of archer , saber and berserker . And then when shirou come to save sakura and saved her by rule breaker and also released her from the shadow and other heroic spirit which she consumed under the control of zouken and angra mainyu they are released and after she released by the control of angra mainyu and then shirou fight with kotomine . Now illya enter to the cavern with heaven's feel dress as I said she already had collected archer and berserker and now she is collecting other heroic spirit now who are released from the shadow and after become justeaze with small talk zouken decide looking to his end to his journey and die for his own sake to free from his own curse and then she return to illya Saving shirou life before he killed himself and in order saying I am older sister so it my duty to protect my younger brother not she save shirou and also she released all the heroic spirit from the role of great holy grail and sending all the heroic spirit to their original place where they belong and then before illya saving the world by closing the greater grail she saved shirou from the third soccercery by reviving his soul and after that illya reunion with her mother . I think she functioning as a incomplete grail because of half human and half humuculus. Their is a fact where all heroic spirit are defeated once and they are collected by holy grail.
Finished the 2nd half of the video. Heavens Feel 3 will possibly finally tell us what the container was, the general guess was a flower cuz jokes about being plucked and growing if watered
the body supposedly isnt a great match cuz Shirou has 27 circuits while Touko has a undisclosed low amount and she supposedly just gave them one of the Touko puppet backups,not that she built something specific for shirou, thats why they wanna track her down and get a bespoke shirou doll
Using another projection is the fast track to Normal end, ignoring affection point choices, you even skip the Kirei battle and Zouken`s death. As for the logic behind Shirou skipping the Kirei battle involves a lot of speculation.That the extra projection is making shirou`s brainlags worse so he advances too slow and Kireis time runs out before shirou gets there and braindead shirou ignores the corpse and Illya maybe also doesnt sacrifice herself cuz she cant save shirou so no point in killing herself,or that she`s there guiding braindead shirou to the end.
If you dont use another projection and fail to gather all the illya points, you still fight Kirei, you just skip Zouken`s death and Illya doesnt come to the rescue. So use Another projection is the best choice cuz after it gives you the Normal end, you go back and get a great "A Wild Kotomine has appeared" battle
Yeah, Last Episode is unlocked by getting all 5 endings and getting all the Tiger dojo`s unlocks something else
Ahhhh a flower huh, makes sense with the jokes, it is cool to think what the movie can visually depict now. Wait, Shirou has one of Touko's backups as his body? Wild. Also wild to speculate about what exactly happens there during the normal end, yeah, good question but good guesses
The container was the pendant of Rin, Illya died but she was able to put his soul in the pendant, Touko made his new body and thanks to that he is alive in the true end
Wasn't it a flower?
Yes that is respected scene for illya where now shirou didn't forget about his sister illya for saving his life . And she is now become shirou life true herione and even he was in dying age he cannot forget illya for giving him second chance.
Congratulations on finishing the FSN VN! You've come so far from starting from Fate Zero. Brilliant reaction as always. It was funny seeing you thinking that Shirou died in the True end because that was also my reaction playing this game years ago. Thank you for playing this and good work, looking forward to seeing more from you. Btw are you gonna play Hollow Ataraxia?
Thank you! Yeah, who knew someone who started with Fate/Zero would come this deep into hell? I really appreciate the kind words, I'm glad you enjoyed the playthrough :) I was so deathly scared Shirou died lmao glad I'm not the only one. Hell yeah, I'm ready to keep venturing into hell! To Tsukihime! (and then FHA of course)
@@YOROKOBE Yeah, it's pretty rare for someone who started at Zero actually liking anything else Fate related lol. I will be watching your Tsukihime playthrough, It's been so long since I've played it myself, looking forward to it!
And their is a youtube video where chaldea gurus in sippy review explain about 'why all the hate Sakura matou' it is a defence video for sakura character . And I think she is most defenced character existed in fsn ever even compare to rin and saber .
Can’t wait how you react to Fate Hollow Ataraxia now
Yoro can you play higurashi next?
At some point possibly, I'm still in the Nasuverse hell
I couldn't bring myself to choose "bring my arm down" the first time...The feels hit me too hard..
Sad Fate flashbacks ):
PLAY TSUKIHIME!!!! PLAY TSUKIHIME!!! JUST FUCKING PLAY IT AND AVOID SPOILERS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you.
OH BOY YOU MUST BE HAPPY!!
You did it :D
You absolute madlad you did it :D
1:51 So I don't think anybody mentioned it yet, but Heavens Feel has some excellent Parallels with the Fate route
In the Fate route the first Servant to die is Rider who is defeated when she uses Bellerophon against Saber who defeats her with Excalibur
And what do we see here?
Rider using Bellerophon against Saber who is using Excalibur, but this time it's a little different >:D
Another example would be in regards to Berserker, who is defeated by Shirou using Projection magic in both routes, in the Fate route he needed Saber's help, in Heavens Feel he could do it on his own
8:41 Time for the feels ;-;
13:40 YOU KILLED RIN
19:18 n0m
20:18 Nope ._.
Even worse than that
yes zelretch is OP as hell
edit: man, i reached the normal end first when i first read this vn years ago and broke down then and there.
I don't know which one I like more kiritsugu vs kirei or shirou vs kirei. I like both for different reasons. The former is really quick and tactical while the latter is two dead men walking beating the shit out of each other. Either way they're both awesome! Emiya's always have the best fights!
They're both super badass for their own reasons, agreed! If only Kerry could have seen Shirou in literally ANY route, he'd lose his shit
Yes they are badass their own way where Keri vs kiritsugu fight was weapon and some magic and heaven's feel Keri vs shirou was fist to fist fight and was dramatic . In fate Keri vs shirou was literally sucked. Why fate Keri vs shirou but I find this fight was badass in sucked way . I loved fate route and even ubw route . And we cannot compare each route they have their own speciality . And even every herione are best in their own way .
I just completed the vn a few minutes ago. I'm a week late compared to you. I'm continuing with hollow Ataraxia
Nice man, congrats! And have fun
Fuck this Normal ending. Its so painful and I cried so many times remembering this after reading. Thanks for Kinoko Nasu to giving us Happy end.
The angel thing is bullshit because Angels also can choose between good and evil. That's how the whole Satan mess took place and how heaven got split in demons (followers of his selfish ways) and angels (those who chose not to follow him)
So regarding the True End:
Imagine if Willy Loman showed up in Death of a Salesman’s last scene and his family had a good laugh and lived off the insurance settlement.
Imagine Juliet waking from her “coma” potion and convincing her family to let her marry Romeo.
Imagine Madoka wishing away both Incubators and witches, and everybody living happily ever after. Would those stories have the same impact?
Shiro is a man whose nature compels him to not stop giving. Sakura is a girl whose nature compels her to not stop taking. How could tragedy not await them if they are together?
Don't make bad comparisons just because you don't like the ending. Heaven's feel leads naturally to this ending once you take into consideration the third sorcery.
In fate, shirou obtains his fate of being a hero
In ubw, he obtains unlimited blade works
In hf, he obtains heaven's feel.
Makes perfect sense.
Very true. IIRC Nasu has said that the original only end for HF was very similar to normal end in its melancholy and outcome. But to give players a decent sense of closure he added true end. It really shows
@@yoster39 It's not a matter of liking/disliking. The arm is Chekov's Gun that is repeatedly foreshadowed. To me it feels natural for it to go off, to you it feels natural for it to be avoided, given the route progression. ETA: MrINU's long comment expresses my reservations better than me
@@kourousxnasasis6340 I get what you mean, the arm indeed is a death sentence, this only shows how powerful true magic is, shirou would have died without it (did indeed die, heaven's feel saved just his soul).
Idk I feel like true end isn't as bright as it looks, sakura is has to release magic power every now and then (which means she must be careful when doing so given how compatible she was with angra, she might accidentally curse somebody), shirou is only pretending to live like a human thanks to a pretty good replica body... yes it's a good ending but it isn't a happily ever after, the price was paid, mitigated yes, but paid.
It's a best case scenario given the situation, and it portrays the power of heaven's feel when applied correctly. Idk maybe a better ending would be a mix between the two endings so some people don't feel it's an undeserved good ending, or a plain bad end, but whatever, personally I hope they go for true end in the movie. heck there isn't even the last kirei confrontation in normal.
The Normal End doesn't conclude Kirei, Zouken nor Illya's character arc. Both Kirei and Illya simply dissapear from the story to never be mentioned again. Besides, Nasu always ends his stories in a hopeful note. If Kara No Kyoukai had a happy ending why Heaven's Feel can't
Witch on the Holy Night please！
It's not completely translated
Years ago, when I was reading this novel I got normal end first and that was awesome as hell. I loved Heaven's Feel route cuz of this end. Such perfect ending for such twisted route. What else can you expect? Sakura and Shirou. Faithful lovers, such respectable ending.
And that I eventually got true end and I hated Heaven's Feel, because nobody pays any price and everybody lives on happily. That ending got my nerves and I honestly felt that true end is an insult for this whole route. It is so clichéd and does not fit Heaven's Feel's atmosphere at all.
And now I realized it again that my opinions did not change. I still hate this route because of true end and I still love this route because of normal end. Ah, thank you Heaven's Feel. Thank you for that normal end. It was such an awesome, unexpected badass ending.
I can see your perspective, given the weight of what Shirou accepted and Sakura's numerous nom nom murder, I would have expected a more somber yet possibly hopeful ending for the true end. The existence of the normal end in that sense, while painful, is fitting
Illya best older sister and best herione in this route.
Straight up, I hope Spring Song did her some justice
Touko Puppet Shirou
1:59:00 it won't be defective, since(if) it's a diety like he said; only humans like he and shirou can be defective
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kirei x shirou is the OTP, gonna enjoy this reaction
i told you months ago when you first started zero i believe , that even zouken wasn't evil in the begining. Shinji either. Just like sakura herself , that became evil because she was put in a terrible situation , they were slowly corruppted the same way
edit : shirou also got a bigger dick xd. thats why sakura is embarassed
It seems Kirei was the true villain by nature. And that edit...goddamn Shirou
I can’t watch the video for some reason...
all sakura hater come from this route but in movie sakura is way better than original heaven's feel vn and they fix it by making really sakura route because in novel it is like illya route and kotomine route so they thought change it script by cutting more scene with illya and kotomine and also replace many things from novel which way better for sakura I think. That why movie does way better for sakura instead of vn.