First off great review as usual! 👍 Now just my thoughts. Since 2080ti was massively overpriced at $1200 where previously 1080ti was closer to $800. With that in mind it seems like all this helps Nvidia inflate the value of this card saying it replaced a $1200 card. Now that said. Sure. Nothing is gonna touch this thing at $500. Performance looks great. But I am definitely waiting for release of RX6000 before I even consider any RTX 3000 cards.
@@curtisg8399 yep exactly. But if stock on this card is low like 3080 and 3090 then performance means nothing. Same will be true for RX6000. Gotta be able to buy it before we can decide what will be a good deal 😀
That comment about Kevin was lovely, Steve, and I will whole-heartedly join you in commending Kevin, his love for tech and the joy he brought to our lives through the content he made.
@@getdownnyoda2383 Kevin was the owner of the Tech Showdown channel that included informative and comprehensive benchmarks and tests of hardware. Unfortunately, he lost his battle against his illness and passed away. His videos were really well done and he was a lovely person. Teddy also means a lot to us since Kevin would introduce him as the co-host on his videos.
We can't simply move on from the issues of non-availability and price inflation. As was the case (and still is) with the 3080, if you think you're going to get a 3070 for MSRP anytime soon, you're probably incorrect.
@@1967KID yeah he had his own style which was nice. He wasnt trying to be like anyone else to reach for fame and subs. His vids were nice a chill and felt genuine not like a product placement ad
I watched all other channels 3070 reviews, you are the best and the cleanest by a big difference than the others 👍👍👍❤️ you are my first source of benchmarks and reviews keep it up ❤️
@@kseries1981 that's it, they don't let you SEARCH for the information in the video, the just show it to your face in the easiest and cleanest way and you understand everything easily
Try GamersNexus too - actually they provide even more real-life-useful data, such as noise, thermals, thermal-normalised noise, and noise-normalised thermals
@@call_me_stan5887 I'm sorry I don't think Gamer Nexus reviews are very clear, i think it's more like Science lecture, it's hard to get an information but it's good also
@@HeloisGevit I doubt that, Nvidia has been on top of the graphics game for a long time. I may be proved wrong tomorrow, but I can’t see it. The 3000 series is such a huge leap, AMD can at best match it IMO
Indeed, nVidia officially prices the 30xx way higher than the fake MSRP announced, the 3090 is around 2200$, 3080 1100$, 3070 800$, on their website. For comparison the 1070 was less than 400$, faster than the 980ti, with more memory, here the 3070 is on average similar or slower than the 2080ti, with less memory and costing more than a 2080s.
@@Lewis360 "3070 is on average similar or slower than the 2080ti, with less memory and costing more than a 2080s," lol what? RTX 2080 is $800+ and RTX 2080ti is $1000+, also why compare performance between 3070 and 2080ti, but the price with 2080s? $500 3070 is good as $1000+ 2080ti in term of performance, this is a win for everyone.
@@stuff12341 The 2080 ti was never $1000, that's just what Nvidia said the MSRP was before selling the founders and the AIBs all sold theirs for $1200. I never saw a single $1000 2080 ti.
@@Skylancer727 Dude, I was being extremely generous with that pricing because some people sold their 2080ti for around $1k when 3080 was announced, hence why I said $1000+.
It's been a year already? RIP Kevin. I miss his videos, he had a delightful personality that radiated through the screen. I was stunned when he passed away 😢
@@juanmanuelcorrea7673 His split with his girlfriend, his health took a nosedive, and the next you knew he was in the hospital fighting for his life. It all happened to so fast, I was in disbelief. Kudos to his brother for reaching out to the community like he did. He didn't have to do it. He just lost his brother but even managed to have of Kevin's service livestreamed, so we could say our goodbyes without being there. I hope seeing how beloved he was by people from all over the world gave his family at least some solace.
"more affordable" 70series USED to be the affordable cards mid range but now everything is expensive, now we have the 60, for mid and then some weird stuff down there honestly 3090 isn't even a Titan, what a fake 3080ti.
It drives me crazy that people have just accepted the much higher prices and are more than willing to keep paying it. The prices will always be unacceptable as long as people have more money than sense. $500 for a 70 series is just asking way too much.
@@trueminecraftfacts You probably have a minute or two more to buy, and thats probably being generous. IMO the 3070 is in higher demand than the 3080 due to it being so cheap and having such good power for the low price. I'm going to get up at 8AM for the 9AM est release and try, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
@@trueminecraftfacts I doubt it. I'm hearing from some stores only getting stock in the low hundreds which while higher than the 3080 is still basically nothing.
As always... only upgrade when the games you play demand it. My 1070Ti has been great for all games at my 1080p 144hz monitor. Total War: Warhammer 3 and Age of Empires 4 release is probably when I’ll need a CPU and GPU upgrade.
True, well I'm gaming at 1440p and not a single games has lowered my fps below 60 so I can't complain, shooter games still over the 100fps with the right settings, got a backup 240hz 1080p monitor if Im really struggling. :)
I'm considering UPGRADING TO a used 1080ti (from 1060. Now that I upgraded to 1440p 144Hz). A used 1080ti can be had for half the price of the 3070 and it's only 30% slower. And I'm not really gaming that much with AAA games anyway.
10:50 the 1080ti beats the 2080 and 2080super in Doom Eternal in Nightmare mode @2160p You know if companies want to shortchange lower tier cards of VRAM that's one thing but the top card and penultimate card should have more than enough VRAM.
Shoutout to those who skipped Jay’s review first and went straight to the other reviewers who didn’t post their videos early Edit: no hate to Jay, I will be checking his review either way, just not before I check everyone else’s.
I wondered why my YT notification's were bare this morning, thinking "Oh, is something releasing today and they are waiting for embargo to lift?" Yep, it's the 3070, one day before AMDs announcement, lol.
It's a way to get attention off AMD , but Greedia it's not working . I just wish they could beat the 3080 even if it's 5% faster for 650 dollars . Greedia would be fuckeddddd!
@@Ben256MB I think we can reasonably expect 3080 performance. I'd be fine with that, especially if it beats @ 1440p. I recently overspent on a 3440x1440 monitor, so more interesting in maximizing this resolution. We'll have a better idea of the performance tomorrow, but we won't have proper comparisons until performance embargos lift for 3rd party reviewers.
@@Brisingrr_ Great question. It'll probably be a few days before they are available for purchase. We'll find out when we can buy them tomorrow, during the announcement.
Is it really fair to say that the 2nd gen RT cores offer no improvement when the 3070 has fewer RT cores than the 2080 Ti? It's matching 2080 Ti RT performance using fewer cores, 46 2nd gen RT cores vs the 2080 Ti's 68 1st gen RT cores.
I just cross checked , and true that. 46 vs 72 and also way less tensor cores. So there is improvement in RTX gen over gen. But no of shaders have also gone up significantly due to the architectural change.
Have you even watched HU's vid on RT with the 3080..... they only saw improvement because they brute forced Rasterization with the stupidly insane number of Cuda cores added, a 3070 also has 1,536 more cuda cores than a 2080Ti..... yet sits at the same performance metric in Rasterization....... what does that prove. it proves HU's previous videos. also if you listened to him explain the RT/Tensor core generation performance difference you only get a 35% best case scenario in performance improvement going off the RT-Tflop figure of Tensor/RT cores which as we all know Tflop figures are not truly indicative of true performance and when accounting for the smaller memory buffer, slower bandwidth and smaller bus width its not possible for nvidia to get the full 35% increase without some limitations else where holding it back, meaning cuda core helped boost it further to match a 2080Ti
@@123TheCloop No, I haven't seen that. Could you link it? Also, why the argumentative tone? It was a genuine question -- the comparison and conclusion in this video about RT generational improvements seem odd because the cards have very different specs, and I don't have the knowledge to decide if that's a fair way to compare or not.
@@bamtna I can't speak for HU, but as raytracing is one of the strongest focus for nVidia since 2000 series, I also kinda expected better RT performance than 2080ti. I'm speaking about the final product as a consumer, without entering in technical details (RT/Tensor cores count)
"hopefully your chances of buying an RTX 3070 are much higher" - Said the most hopeful man ever. Also, i like your graphs better than over on Gamers Nexus...
I've been thinking on buying rtx 3060, but with the schedules and stock issues so far, I change my mind now. Fock nvidia. Looking forward to rx 6000 series benchmarks.
@@LnDSuv honestly while I see there is an increase in demand, the supply shouldn't be as bad as it for Nvidia, and AMD is in a really good position here with TSMC.
It's not all NVIDIA's fault, it's not like they don't want you to buy their cards. With all the madness going round the world disrupting production and transportation, I don't expect AMD to do any better.
AMD will not have a 3060 equivalent anytime soon though. So you got enough time to calm down and make an educated decision once you can buy such a card. Once those cards launch there also should be no supply issue anymore.
@@oscarshen6855 They had a paper launch. They wanted to launch before AMD stock be damned. Retailers haven't been getting any where near the quantity they've ordered. Nvidia could have pushed back the launch to ensure adequate supply, but they didn't.
1:10 This is exactly what happened here in Norway. I bought my ASUS TUF OC for 8290,- NOK the day the cards released, now they are on retailer websites from 9590,- NOK, to 10290,- NOK. This has also pushed up the price of the 3070 already, as the current advertised price for the TUF OC is 7499,- NOK, only 800,- NOK less then i payed for my 3080. It is also outrageous prices compared to precious generations as the STRIX OC of both the 2070 and 1070 were 5795,- NOK.
i am just laughing that the so called "not good for gaming architecture" Radeon 7 still hold pretty damn well. now i cant wait tomorrow for the RX 6000 announcements!
The 3070's 8gb of vram is way too little. If the rx6000 equivalent card has more vram then it's gonna be a much better buy (in my opinion), even if the ray tracing performance doesn't end up being as good.
@@totty2524 it's a 1440p card for all intends & purposes, not a 4k card. I rather have performance then splur money on VRAM that literally does nothing for performance unless I don't have enough of it. Especially with direct I/O & SSD data streaming being pushed on console I don't expect VRAM usage to go up at all if not go down slightly.
@@MLWJ1993 Regardless of whether you consider it to be a 1440p card rather than a 4k card, its vram amount is a big bottleneck considering the power of its core. You raised a good point, concerning the impact of SSD on future games, but that much is still unknown in the moment. I don't know if we can count on vram demands going down in the future. I don't think that the rtx 3070 will age very well, even at 1440p.
Great review as always ! Love the pro consumer vibe ever present in your work. And a beautiful thing that you dedicated this to our missed community member of techshowdown, Kevin 🙏
@@vgamedude12 ''the GeForce RTX 3070 manages to provide performance that is mostly on par with the RTX 2080 Ti at 4K, which is extremely impressive'' techradar ''in today’s market the RTX 3070 is as good as it gets in terms of cost per frame and even performance per watt.'' techspot
Its easy to see where they cut corners on this gen, Very little vram for your money spend. Shame we prob have to wait for TI or super models for higher vram.
So this tells us - it’s a good card - but a little skimpy on memory - which means decent chance it’ll get spanked over time by AMD’s more generous cards, ie the 21XL (6800). Explains why they planning revisions ...
That's going to be interesting to see. Especially with the "infinity cache" thing going on which honestly sounds a bit like DRAM on a TLC/QLC SSD which falls off in performance in certain tasks. A.K.A. it might come up short due to bandwidth limitations.
@@cognacyang9342 they don't... they've been brutally honest about Turing & it's heavily inflated price to performance together with niche features that no game supported at release...
The 5700XT replacement should be more interesting vs the 3070, I would bet on 12GB of ram in the 6700XT, although I doubt that will be announced for a few weeks yet.
Rx 5700 going toe to toe with a 2070 and beating it in average at 1440. And it has a decent OC headroom, if you don't care about power consumption. That's pretty darn good aswell. May I remind you that the launch US price was $270 at microcenter (pickup only) but $300 at newegg and after a couple of months it dropped to as low as $230. Unfortunately when 5600xt/5500xt launched the prices bumped up again. Those getting it for $230 got an amazing deal!
Of course you like to watch the 5700XT results more, because it's heartbreaking for AMD fanboys to see a bottom Ampere card shitting on AMD's current fastest card, better to look away.
@@longvo8800 or just a more realistic way to look at the upgrade plan: nonexistent "bottom tier new gen" or already existing card wih a decent performance. better to wake up.
For me the rtx 3080 would have been the perfect card. The only problem I have, is that I'm planing to build a gaming pc RIGHT NOW for my online semester and the rtx 3080 isn't available... If AMD comes up with something as powerful, I'm going to switch sides.
Regarding the RT performance, I wouldn't be disappointed that the performance is practically the same between the 3070 and the 2080Ti because you need to keep in mind that this equivalence in RT performance is being achieved with just 46 RT cores in the 3070 vs. 68 RT cores in the 2080Ti, so in effect the same RT performance with around a third less RT cores, this is what the improvement in the 2nd-gen RT cores brings.
"so in effect the same RT performance with around a third less RT cores, this is what the improvement in the 2nd-gen RT cores brings." you realise the 3070 funny enough has 1/3rd more cuda cores than a 2080TI......... even if we go of the claimed RT-Flop figure between last gen and this gen, its only 35% but RT cores and Tensor cores are still inherently limited by memory, bandwidth and memory speeds and bus width. and guess what? a 3070 is lower in every aspect so its very clear they did not and could get the full 35% improvement in performance on the RT cores/Tensor Cores over last gen, so the overall improvement is easily less than 1/3rd The increase in cuda cores could easily be making up for that, but that still doesnt add up considering the performance between the 2 are identical in both RT and Rasterization so something is a little strange when a 3070 by math has roughly 30% more cuda cores so should easily see faster performance than a 2080Ti but it doesnt.
@@123TheCloop Note though that the increase in CUDA cores is only in FP32 ALUs, the INT32 ALU per SM count still the same as in the Turing SM, i.e. 64 INT32 per SM, which means the 3070 has less INT32 ALUs than the 2080Ti: 46*64 vs. 68*64.
@@123TheCloop If we want to look only at path tracing performance to gauge the Ampere RT cores vs. Turing, check out the review by Digital Foundry in the section on Quake RTX. Here the 3070 is very slightly ahead of the 2080Ti in an application which is almost all path traced (sans the particle effects), hence relying very heavily on the RT cores for the rendering. ua-cam.com/video/ul8F0MmRpmY/v-deo.html Their test of Quake RTX is probably the clearest indication of the Ampere improvements with the RT cores, ie. less RT cores, yet same path tracing performance.
Not sure if the ray tracing comparison was fair. The 2080Ti has almost 50% more RT cores than the 3070, the 3070 is still able to match performance with ray tracing enabled. So there’s definitely an improvement to the RT cores.
Can’t believe it’s been a year since I heard of Kevin’s passing. Clearly a very missed member of the YT tech community. You guys have become my go to Southern Hemisphere 🇦🇺 🇳🇿 tech toobers since he passed. Great review and great video, much respect from the 🇬🇧
Thank you for covering the RT cores changes between the 20 to 30 series cards. This was confusing me before now. Could the lack of improved framerate over the 2080Ti in ray traced scenarios be down to having less RT cores total? (showing that less of these new RT cores can perform the same as more of the old ones)
The only thing I can think of is that current ray-tracing tech can't take advantage of the new tensor cores properly. So we'll have to wait yet again for that performance increase.
Tomorrow AMD are going to launch the 6900XT, 6800XT and 6800. My guess is that the 6800 is going to come in at $450 and be just a few percent faster than the 3070.. while having 16GB of VRAM.
@@giff74 yeah, cuda/rtx also, workstation features what makes AMD gpus a hard buy for me. If I was building a pure gaming pc, AMD would be a no-brainer pick, but I do blender renders and nvidia gpus are fantastic for that.
Thanks for the review and thanks for being human, Steve. HWUB is a voice of sanity between you and Tim, I'm grateful you guys are able to produce content like this all the time.
@@humanbeing9079 a 3070 also has 1536 more cuda cores literally breathing proof into the "brute force" argument hes made prior in his 3080 RT performance video. RT cores went down but cuda cores went up yet the metric is identical......... something doesnt sit right considering the 3070 has roughly 30% more cuda cores yet has 38% less RT cores which is odd because they never stated anywhere a near 40% improvement in RT performance.
I didn't realise he died, I fell out of technology for like a year and didn't keep up I had to check his channel as soon as I heard that and wow that was kinda unexpected, real unfortunate
Hope you guys can actually find one at MSRP in the county you live in. Over here the 30 series sold out in 1 second and the prices got adjusted upwards immediately.
My condolences as you remember your friend. Thank you for your review, and in particular, for not glossing past the impact of stock issues and whether these cards will actually be widely available at MSRP.
Kevin is the reason I got the Gigabyte Vega56 OC. His enthusiasm during the unboxing was the best. Miss his videos. He would have been amazed at what the 3070 is capable of.
@@UltraJamZHD I think it’s great to wait till the announcement. If the 6000 series provides better value get one. If it doesn’t buy an 5000 series card.
@@haj4975 you think big Navi will release there GPUs in November ? 😅reason I’m asking is Literally built my gaming pc this month been about 2 weeks ! I had to buy a shit GT 210 GeForce just to get HD picture to my screen 😭😂I’m dying waiting for these GPUs bro
What do you mean "500$ king"? It costs 80-95k RSD in Serbia (800-900$), it costs 700+ in say India, it costs ~650-750 euro in Italy, it costs 600 pounds in England, etc. And that's if you are lucky to find it available but that's another story. Even fictional, it's nowhere near 500$
STEVE! Can you compare RTX 2080 Ti current performance vs performance when it launched? I would really love to see how much the constant driver optimizations have improved the performance overtime.
It's so boring now, when no one can really buy it for months, watching these reviews. Just like AMD R3 3300X, just exists on paper. The later cannot be bought in this lifetime for sure...
@@johnathanera5863 Hardware Unboxed was at 7% faster on average last they did the big shakedown. 7% more performance for 25% price increase is not exactly stellar in the mid range. Sure, at the very tippy top end cards that kind of thing is normal. The "must have the best, no matter what" gets to pay big time for small gains, but in the mid range.. that doesn't really fly.. So if I get to chose between 61FPS on average for $400 or 66%FPS on average for $500 it is a complete no-brainer...
It would be awesome if you could test the other custom cards quickly because here in germany the 3070 launches on Oct 29th. Would be suuuuuper helpful :)
I bought 5700XT watching your past videos. Works for my realistic expectation on Fsim 2020 and X-Plane VR. Thank you for your help for a wise purchase.
for 4k it isn't, currently there sre multiple gsmes thst could use more than 8gb on 4k and not even on max but on medium/mostly high settings. Without mods... so...
@@sokol5805 That's not what any of the actual reviews said. I'd rather go by the actual reviews rather than an image from an unspecified place and unspecified time.
Don't buy it - I bought a GTX 1080 in 2016 !!! with 8 GB of VRAM - now we have 2020 (almost 2021) and I should again buy a 8GB graphics card ?? That's crazy - you can throw this card into trash bin next year - 10 GB is the absolute minimum and 16 GB the new standard. Nvidia just focused on counting money the last years instead of creating good products.
Great review - like all content on this channel. To give you an idea about MSRP and real price here in the heart of Europe, Austria.... As of time of writing (4th Nov. 2020), retailer shop/tech store prices read like this (and we are not talking ebay or scalpers here, who 1,5 - 2,5x the prices mentioned below): 2080ti on average around 1400 Euro, equals to 1641 USD/ 2283 Australian dollars, 2080Super on average around 800€, equals to 937 USD/ 1305 Australian, the actually available AIB 3070's are around 800-1000€, equals to 937-1172 USD / 1305-1631 Australian, the non available AIB 3080's around 900-1100€, equals to 1054-1290 USD / 1468-1794 Australian, the odd available AIB 3090's are all above 1700€, equals >2000 USD / 2773 Australian. As a Radeon 5700XT is currently around 500 USD here - the 6000 series prices will be in that same ballpark. So - the 3070/3080'ies are, whichever way you put it, a price/performance bargain. And yeah - up here, we pay 50% income tax, 1,3€ (1,5 USD) for 1 litre gasoline, .... So - stop ranting, and be happy. Hell, for 400 USD you only get a plain cheap 1 or 2 fan (yet widely&readily available) 2060 model here... ;-)
wow, didnt know nvidia sent half of their 3070 stock to you, congrats man
Lol
Ha 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂 Buahh
😂🤦 nvidia send every 3070 to all Tech UA-camr
It's ok NVIDIA we the general public don't want them 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First off great review as usual! 👍 Now just my thoughts. Since 2080ti was massively overpriced at $1200 where previously 1080ti was closer to $800. With that in mind it seems like all this helps Nvidia inflate the value of this card saying it replaced a $1200 card.
Now that said. Sure. Nothing is gonna touch this thing at $500. Performance looks great. But I am definitely waiting for release of RX6000 before I even consider any RTX 3000 cards.
Yeah I agree man, I don’t think the card is as good of value as people are making it out to be, nonetheless still a good card.
Total War demands the patience
@@curtisg8399 yep exactly. But if stock on this card is low like 3080 and 3090 then performance means nothing. Same will be true for RX6000. Gotta be able to buy it before we can decide what will be a good deal 😀
@@HeirofCarthage i mean 6700xt comes out in like 3 months and you can be sure it will touch it at $400
Nvidia Lost the plot this generation with a lot of bad decisions unfortunately...
That comment about Kevin was lovely, Steve, and I will whole-heartedly join you in commending Kevin, his love for tech and the joy he brought to our lives through the content he made.
Miss ole Kev, that was the first PC channel I subbed on youtube.
Who is kevin guys ?
@@getdownnyoda2383 Kevin was the owner of the Tech Showdown channel that included informative and comprehensive benchmarks and tests of hardware. Unfortunately, he lost his battle against his illness and passed away. His videos were really well done and he was a lovely person. Teddy also means a lot to us since Kevin would introduce him as the co-host on his videos.
Miss Kevin's content too, great to see you guys giving him a shout out
I used to watch on Tech Showdown and very much enjoyed his channel. I did not realize he had passed. RIP
Nice to see some humanity on youtube these days.
RIP Kevin!
Lemme guess; there's gonna be a total of 50 units available till the end of November... 🙄
*till next generation launch
Rumours going around that 3070 will have greater stock availability. Im waiting for amds offerings though. good luck.
Only reviewers will have them.
Make it till the new year.
We can't simply move on from the issues of non-availability and price inflation. As was the case (and still is) with the 3080, if you think you're going to get a 3070 for MSRP anytime soon, you're probably incorrect.
500 buck king...
Scalpers: a ha a ha a ha, we'll see about that.
Respect truly kev was kindly spirit.
👍
It's sad he had a cool UA-cam channel with Mr Ted. 💕
@@1967KID yeah he had his own style which was nice. He wasnt trying to be like anyone else to reach for fame and subs. His vids were nice a chill and felt genuine not like a product placement ad
I watched all other channels 3070 reviews, you are the best and the cleanest by a big difference than the others 👍👍👍❤️ you are my first source of benchmarks and reviews keep it up ❤️
Agreed. Digital Foundry and these guys are the best. Gamer Nexus is also really good. No fluff, no bs, they get straight to the point.
@@kseries1981 that's it, they don't let you SEARCH for the information in the video, the just show it to your face in the easiest and cleanest way and you understand everything easily
@@kseries1981 digital foundry is nvidia sponsored
Try GamersNexus too - actually they provide even more real-life-useful data, such as noise, thermals, thermal-normalised noise, and noise-normalised thermals
@@call_me_stan5887 I'm sorry I don't think Gamer Nexus reviews are very clear, i think it's more like Science lecture, it's hard to get an information but it's good also
I'm excited to see how tomorrow's Radeon presentation can shake things up!
dunno where I've read it but tomorrow AMD will only announce the upcoming RDNA2 GPUs, not like a long stream of Zen3 with detailed benchmarks ..etc :/
@@cryonix123 so they’re revealing the 5600x GPUS?
@@cryonix123 Radeon is RDNA2, not Zen 3.
They will destroy Nvidia by 50%
@@HeloisGevit I doubt that, Nvidia has been on top of the graphics game for a long time. I may be proved wrong tomorrow, but I can’t see it. The 3000 series is such a huge leap, AMD can at best match it IMO
finally someone speaking the truth about the msrp and actual cost. more tech tubers nEED to do this
Indeed, nVidia officially prices the 30xx way higher than the fake MSRP announced, the 3090 is around 2200$, 3080 1100$, 3070 800$, on their website.
For comparison the 1070 was less than 400$, faster than the 980ti, with more memory, here the 3070 is on average similar or slower than the 2080ti, with less memory and costing more than a 2080s.
@@Lewis360 Wat. 3080 isn't $1100 anywhere in the US aside from ebay.
@@Lewis360
"3070 is on average similar or slower than the 2080ti, with less memory and costing more than a 2080s," lol what? RTX 2080 is $800+ and RTX 2080ti is $1000+, also why compare performance between 3070 and 2080ti, but the price with 2080s? $500 3070 is good as $1000+ 2080ti in term of performance, this is a win for everyone.
@@stuff12341 The 2080 ti was never $1000, that's just what Nvidia said the MSRP was before selling the founders and the AIBs all sold theirs for $1200. I never saw a single $1000 2080 ti.
@@Skylancer727 Dude, I was being extremely generous with that pricing because some people sold their 2080ti for around $1k when 3080 was announced, hence why I said $1000+.
Damn, Sorry for everyone's loss. I never knew about Kevin's passing, I used to watch him many years ago.
REST IN PEACE KEVIN.
A year ago mate 😢😢
ayear ago mate
Sepsis is a terrible way to go. Rest in peace Kevin...
Who is Kevin
@@capzylotron3612 he was a passionate tech tuber that was a good friend of hammer on box
It's been a year already? RIP Kevin. I miss his videos, he had a delightful personality that radiated through the screen. I was stunned when he passed away 😢
What happened to him?
@@juanmanuelcorrea7673 His split with his girlfriend, his health took a nosedive, and the next you knew he was in the hospital fighting for his life. It all happened to so fast, I was in disbelief.
Kudos to his brother for reaching out to the community like he did. He didn't have to do it. He just lost his brother but even managed to have of Kevin's service livestreamed, so we could say our goodbyes without being there. I hope seeing how beloved he was by people from all over the world gave his family at least some solace.
@@darcrequiem Fuck man. That sucks. I've seen that happening to close friend of mine. Thanks for the info.
"more affordable" 70series USED to be the affordable cards mid range but now everything is expensive, now we have the 60, for mid and then some weird stuff down there honestly 3090 isn't even a Titan, what a fake 3080ti.
Even 60 is probably gonna be 350-400 this gen rip
@@mattBLACKpunk remember when gtx 960 was just 220$ just 5 years ago? Good times
Hey, at least NVIDIA give us better products with better price... on paper. LMAO.
@@tortugatech ye, and 970 for 330 :c
It drives me crazy that people have just accepted the much higher prices and are more than willing to keep paying it. The prices will always be unacceptable as long as people have more money than sense. $500 for a 70 series is just asking way too much.
Gotta love the thorough testing and the amount of work put into this video. Big big BIG kudos! You guys are awesome at what you do.
True.
This GPU was awesome for a cutdown bargain deal.
It’s actually cheaper than the 2080ti on the used market and gets better 1080p performance 👏
RIP Kevin, gone but not forgotten!
whos Kevin
@@1Shaide Watch the first 30 second of the video
@@1Shaide i dont know if you can still find his videos but he did reviews with his teddy bear :)
@@77garga yeah i just saw hes channel
I was wondering where the handsome man with his teddybear was... little did i know he is long gone already :(
3070 is getting some good thoughts until tomorrow
There's going to be more stock. Maybe it's still not enough but more stock is always good.
@@trueminecraftfacts You probably have a minute or two more to buy, and thats probably being generous. IMO the 3070 is in higher demand than the 3080 due to it being so cheap and having such good power for the low price. I'm going to get up at 8AM for the 9AM est release and try, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
@@trueminecraftfacts I doubt it. I'm hearing from some stores only getting stock in the low hundreds which while higher than the 3080 is still basically nothing.
I'm thinking I could probably hold onto my 1080ti a little longer.
As always... only upgrade when the games you play demand it. My 1070Ti has been great for all games at my 1080p 144hz monitor. Total War: Warhammer 3 and Age of Empires 4 release is probably when I’ll need a CPU and GPU upgrade.
Why would you change it? 🤔
If you play 1080p,then it has no sense
True, well I'm gaming at 1440p and not a single games has lowered my fps below 60 so I can't complain, shooter games still over the 100fps with the right settings, got a backup 240hz 1080p monitor if Im really struggling. :)
Ya, the 1080ti is still solid.
I'm considering UPGRADING TO a used 1080ti (from 1060. Now that I upgraded to 1440p 144Hz).
A used 1080ti can be had for half the price of the 3070 and it's only 30% slower. And I'm not really gaming that much with AAA games anyway.
10:50 the 1080ti beats the 2080 and 2080super in Doom Eternal in Nightmare mode @2160p
You know if companies want to shortchange lower tier cards of VRAM that's one thing but the top card and penultimate card should have more than enough VRAM.
Shoutout to those who skipped Jay’s review first and went straight to the other reviewers who didn’t post their videos early
Edit: no hate to Jay, I will be checking his review either way, just not before I check everyone else’s.
I wouldn't have watched Jay's review even if it was a month earlier.
sponsored in the wazzu
#skipjay
that salty old man is overrated imo. bet he'd still whine about people saying ampere was a paper launch like the nvidia shill that he is
Jay sucks and is full of himself. Every other tech tuber is far better.
Heart goes out to you and Tim, Kevin's family and friends..
I wondered why my YT notification's were bare this morning, thinking "Oh, is something releasing today and they are waiting for embargo to lift?" Yep, it's the 3070, one day before AMDs announcement, lol.
It's a way to get attention off AMD , but Greedia it's not working . I just wish they could beat the 3080 even if it's 5% faster for 650 dollars . Greedia would be fuckeddddd!
@@Ben256MB I think we can reasonably expect 3080 performance. I'd be fine with that, especially if it beats @ 1440p. I recently overspent on a 3440x1440 monitor, so more interesting in maximizing this resolution.
We'll have a better idea of the performance tomorrow, but we won't have proper comparisons until performance embargos lift for 3rd party reviewers.
@@davidbetancourt4028 how long will that be?
@@Brisingrr_ Great question. It'll probably be a few days before they are available for purchase. We'll find out when we can buy them tomorrow, during the announcement.
@@davidbetancourt4028 Oh I see. Still enough time. Thanks mate.
Is it really fair to say that the 2nd gen RT cores offer no improvement when the 3070 has fewer RT cores than the 2080 Ti?
It's matching 2080 Ti RT performance using fewer cores, 46 2nd gen RT cores vs the 2080 Ti's 68 1st gen RT cores.
I just cross checked , and true that. 46 vs 72 and also way less tensor cores. So there is improvement in RTX gen over gen. But no of shaders have also gone up significantly due to the architectural change.
Well what else you can expect from AMD fan unboxing LoL 😂😂
Have you even watched HU's vid on RT with the 3080..... they only saw improvement because they brute forced Rasterization with the stupidly insane number of Cuda cores added, a 3070 also has 1,536 more cuda cores than a 2080Ti..... yet sits at the same performance metric in Rasterization....... what does that prove. it proves HU's previous videos. also if you listened to him explain the RT/Tensor core generation performance difference you only get a 35% best case scenario in performance improvement going off the RT-Tflop figure of Tensor/RT cores which as we all know Tflop figures are not truly indicative of true performance and when accounting for the smaller memory buffer, slower bandwidth and smaller bus width its not possible for nvidia to get the full 35% increase without some limitations else where holding it back, meaning cuda core helped boost it further to match a 2080Ti
@@123TheCloop No, I haven't seen that. Could you link it?
Also, why the argumentative tone? It was a genuine question -- the comparison and conclusion in this video about RT generational improvements seem odd because the cards have very different specs, and I don't have the knowledge to decide if that's a fair way to compare or not.
@@bamtna I can't speak for HU, but as raytracing is one of the strongest focus for nVidia since 2000 series, I also kinda expected better RT performance than 2080ti. I'm speaking about the final product as a consumer, without entering in technical details (RT/Tensor cores count)
500 $ “mid range”
what a sad time we are living in
The 3090 is 3 grand in Aussie dollariedoos
Inflation m'dude.
Inflation causes prices to slowly go up over time, i.e GTX 570, was $349 in 2010, after 10 years of inflation it works out to be ~$470.
Yep. Xbox Series X is as poweful as the 3070 and costs 500 bucks, the whole console with a controller included. Passing on those overpriced GPUs
@@valrond the xbox series x is a lot less powerful than the 3070 and when you add up subscription fees it works out to be a lot more than 500
"Mid- Range GPU" at $500 is absurd.
YeAh ItS WAy tOO ChEaP
ikr, what the hell happened to graphics cards!?
@@Beos_Valrah inflation
@@jtenorj Even with inflation these new GPUs are still too expensive.
@@Beos_Valrah artificial inflation by nvidia with the 20 series cards
Kevin must’ve been a great person to have touched your hearts. My thoughts are with you, his other friends, and family.
8gb in 2020 for new graphics cards. Planned obsolescence?
Last time I was this early the 3080 wasn't available anywhere.
Oh right, it still isn't.
I mean there are some on ebay
@@desertfish74 - fcking scalpers dont count
I got one at microcenter today. Arrived at 5am. They had 2 and I was number 2. Phew
"hopefully your chances of buying an RTX 3070 are much higher" - Said the most hopeful man ever.
Also, i like your graphs better than over on Gamers Nexus...
Rest In Peace Kev, Tech Brother
And yet will never be seen in the wild .Enjoy living vicariously through UA-cam.
I've been thinking on buying rtx 3060, but with the schedules and stock issues so far, I change my mind now. Fock nvidia. Looking forward to rx 6000 series benchmarks.
With these shortages I expect AMD's cards to follow suit and sell out in seconds...
@@LnDSuv honestly while I see there is an increase in demand, the supply shouldn't be as bad as it for Nvidia, and AMD is in a really good position here with TSMC.
It's not all NVIDIA's fault, it's not like they don't want you to buy their cards. With all the madness going round the world disrupting production and transportation, I don't expect AMD to do any better.
AMD will not have a 3060 equivalent anytime soon though. So you got enough time to calm down and make an educated decision once you can buy such a card. Once those cards launch there also should be no supply issue anymore.
@@oscarshen6855 They had a paper launch. They wanted to launch before AMD stock be damned. Retailers haven't been getting any where near the quantity they've ordered. Nvidia could have pushed back the launch to ensure adequate supply, but they didn't.
Let's see what AMD brings in the 400-500 USD price point 👀
A GPU in between the 3070 and 3080...Im just dreaming I know :)
@@ArwinTours i wouldn't mind a slightly slower 3070 for 400$
@@zsoltszegedi8995 a lot of people wouldnt lol many others act like games are absolutely unenjoyable at anything lower than 144fps
With $500 amd bring u full gaming setup not only GPU (console+controller) in ps5/xboxsX 😁😁 (just kidding broo) ✌✌
6700 with 40 Cu, that is Little bit slower than 3070... most likely $60 cheaper and with more vram,
The third chapter says RTX 3080 specs & info instead of 3070. Great content either way.
Looking forward to the RDNA2 Launch Event. Seeing a Red Victory after all those years will be insteresting. 🙂
Keep dreaming....never gonna happen. lol
@@xlr8r2010 Tomorrow you will see whats going to happen kid 😁 Nvidia screwed this generation, AMD will come with better performance GPUs
One love Kevin. Thanks for keeping Teddy around to remember Kevin
1:10 This is exactly what happened here in Norway. I bought my ASUS TUF OC for 8290,- NOK the day the cards released, now they are on retailer websites from 9590,- NOK, to 10290,- NOK.
This has also pushed up the price of the 3070 already, as the current advertised price for the TUF OC is 7499,- NOK, only 800,- NOK less then i payed for my 3080. It is also outrageous prices compared to precious generations as the STRIX OC of both the 2070 and 1070 were 5795,- NOK.
May Kevin rest in the peace that eluded him in life.
i am just laughing that the so called "not good for gaming architecture" Radeon 7 still hold pretty damn well. now i cant wait tomorrow for the RX 6000 announcements!
The 3070's 8gb of vram is way too little. If the rx6000 equivalent card has more vram then it's gonna be a much better buy (in my opinion), even if the ray tracing performance doesn't end up being as good.
@@totty2524 it's a 1440p card for all intends & purposes, not a 4k card. I rather have performance then splur money on VRAM that literally does nothing for performance unless I don't have enough of it.
Especially with direct I/O & SSD data streaming being pushed on console I don't expect VRAM usage to go up at all if not go down slightly.
@@MLWJ1993 Regardless of whether you consider it to be a 1440p card rather than a 4k card, its vram amount is a big bottleneck considering the power of its core. You raised a good point, concerning the impact of SSD on future games, but that much is still unknown in the moment. I don't know if we can count on vram demands going down in the future. I don't think that the rtx 3070 will age very well, even at 1440p.
@johnnyxp64 yes, radeon 7 was complete garbage card for gamers and still is. It was extremely overpriced for what it delivered.
@@MLWJ1993 The whole data streaming on consoles is just a compromise for not being able to hold much RAM.
Good old days when 70 series card like 970 was only 329$
Everything expensive af now.
Great review as always !
Love the pro consumer vibe ever present in your work.
And a beautiful thing that you dedicated this to our missed community member of techshowdown, Kevin 🙏
This hasn't aged well and it's been a day
I'm sad for Kevin...rest in peace.
Love from France. And by the way, excellent video as always ! ❤❤
Nvidia: 8GB is plenty of RAM for a 4k Card in Q4 2020 .. Me: HELL NO!
The 3070 is not being touted as a 4k card. That it can game well at 4k is impressive.
@@Safetytrousers 500 dollars in 2020 and not be 4k capable. Impressive. Lmao
@@vgamedude12 ''the GeForce RTX 3070 manages to provide performance that is mostly on par with the RTX 2080 Ti at 4K, which is extremely impressive'' techradar
''in today’s market the RTX 3070 is as good as it gets in terms of cost per frame and even performance per watt.'' techspot
Its easy to see where they cut corners on this gen, Very little vram for your money spend. Shame we prob have to wait for TI or super models for higher vram.
So this tells us - it’s a good card - but a little skimpy on memory - which means decent chance it’ll get spanked over time by AMD’s more generous cards, ie the 21XL (6800). Explains why they planning revisions ...
6800 most likely is more expensive so it will be a tight fight!
That's going to be interesting to see. Especially with the "infinity cache" thing going on which honestly sounds a bit like DRAM on a TLC/QLC SSD which falls off in performance in certain tasks.
A.K.A. it might come up short due to bandwidth limitations.
They have to say good things e cause they are getting the cards for free
@@cognacyang9342 they don't... they've been brutally honest about Turing & it's heavily inflated price to performance together with niche features that no game supported at release...
The 5700XT replacement should be more interesting vs the 3070, I would bet on 12GB of ram in the 6700XT, although I doubt that will be announced for a few weeks yet.
Honestly I was watching the 5700XT results more than the 3070, damn it performs great!
It does
Rx 5700 going toe to toe with a 2070 and beating it in average at 1440. And it has a decent OC headroom, if you don't care about power consumption.
That's pretty darn good aswell.
May I remind you that the launch US price was $270 at microcenter (pickup only) but $300 at newegg and after a couple of months it dropped to as low as $230.
Unfortunately when 5600xt/5500xt launched the prices bumped up again. Those getting it for $230 got an amazing deal!
Of course you like to watch the 5700XT results more, because it's heartbreaking for AMD fanboys to see a bottom Ampere card shitting on AMD's current fastest card, better to look away.
@@longvo8800 or just a more realistic way to look at the upgrade plan: nonexistent "bottom tier new gen" or already existing card wih a decent performance. better to wake up.
@@longvo8800 It should be even more heartbreaking for you. No competition means a repeat of the Turing fiasco is just a matter of time.
nice touch remeber kevin,, great work great channel great content
Skimping on the VRAM was a clear anti-consumer move, though.
To be honest, i would rather spend 200 (for me its €) more to get the significantly more powerfull RTX 3080 than the RTX 3070
Good luck getting a 3080 for 700 Euros... its not available and if you could buy one it starts at 800+ something euros :/
cheapest one in I could find was 820 and recommended models all over 900 euros.
Finally, a 30 series card which doesn't look huge in Steve's hands
That grin when suggesting to wait, gives a lot away to the people 😉
The AMD reveal happens before the 3070 goes on sale.
This card would have been amazing if it had like 10gb vram, probably too good and nvidia knew this.
That's the funny part. Amd's competing cards are 12gb and 16gb. Nvidia cheaped out hard
@@Sunny-mz3xr it's gonna bite them in the ass
@@Mi2Lethal The 3070ti is coming soon...16gb of ram, Nvidia knows what they are doing.
For me the rtx 3080 would have been the perfect card. The only problem I have, is that I'm planing to build a gaming pc RIGHT NOW for my online semester and the rtx 3080 isn't available... If AMD comes up with something as powerful, I'm going to switch sides.
@@xlr8r2010 they cancelled those cards recently
Regarding the RT performance, I wouldn't be disappointed that the performance is practically the same between the 3070 and the 2080Ti because you need to keep in mind that this equivalence in RT performance is being achieved with just 46 RT cores in the 3070 vs. 68 RT cores in the 2080Ti, so in effect the same RT performance with around a third less RT cores, this is what the improvement in the 2nd-gen RT cores brings.
"so in effect the same RT performance with around a third less RT cores, this is what the improvement in the 2nd-gen RT cores brings." you realise the 3070 funny enough has 1/3rd more cuda cores than a 2080TI......... even if we go of the claimed RT-Flop figure between last gen and this gen, its only 35% but RT cores and Tensor cores are still inherently limited by memory, bandwidth and memory speeds and bus width. and guess what? a 3070 is lower in every aspect so its very clear they did not and could get the full 35% improvement in performance on the RT cores/Tensor Cores over last gen, so the overall improvement is easily less than 1/3rd
The increase in cuda cores could easily be making up for that, but that still doesnt add up considering the performance between the 2 are identical in both RT and Rasterization so something is a little strange when a 3070 by math has roughly 30% more cuda cores so should easily see faster performance than a 2080Ti but it doesnt.
@@123TheCloop Note though that the increase in CUDA cores is only in FP32 ALUs, the INT32 ALU per SM count still the same as in the Turing SM, i.e. 64 INT32 per SM, which means the 3070 has less INT32 ALUs than the 2080Ti: 46*64 vs. 68*64.
@@123TheCloop If we want to look only at path tracing performance to gauge the Ampere RT cores vs. Turing, check out the review by Digital Foundry in the section on Quake RTX. Here the 3070 is very slightly ahead of the 2080Ti in an application which is almost all path traced (sans the particle effects), hence relying very heavily on the RT cores for the rendering.
ua-cam.com/video/ul8F0MmRpmY/v-deo.html
Their test of Quake RTX is probably the clearest indication of the Ampere improvements with the RT cores, ie. less RT cores, yet same path tracing performance.
Just came here to say that Big Navi drops tomorrow, wait to see how that fairs
The reveal does, but not the sale of it.
Not sure if the ray tracing comparison was fair. The 2080Ti has almost 50% more RT cores than the 3070, the 3070 is still able to match performance with ray tracing enabled. So there’s definitely an improvement to the RT cores.
Alright AMD show me what u got! I got my eyes on a 3070 for now but i've heard good things about AMD so that'll be my final deciding factor.
That's what I am waiting for also.
Would not be surprised if they put the RX 6800 at $499-599.
Can’t believe it’s been a year since I heard of Kevin’s passing. Clearly a very missed member of the YT tech community. You guys have become my go to Southern Hemisphere 🇦🇺 🇳🇿 tech toobers since he passed. Great review and great video, much respect from the 🇬🇧
Thank you for covering the RT cores changes between the 20 to 30 series cards. This was confusing me before now.
Could the lack of improved framerate over the 2080Ti in ray traced scenarios be down to having less RT cores total?
(showing that less of these new RT cores can perform the same as more of the old ones)
The only thing I can think of is that current ray-tracing tech can't take advantage of the new tensor cores properly. So we'll have to wait yet again for that performance increase.
Great stuff as always guys!!
IF you could get the parts, 3070 and 5600X, you could have a blazing gaming PC for $1,200-1,300. Big IF there I know!!
Tomorrow AMD are going to launch the 6900XT, 6800XT and 6800. My guess is that the 6800 is going to come in at $450 and be just a few percent faster than the 3070.. while having 16GB of VRAM.
@@andersjjensen They could, I'm fatigued at guessing honestly. The thing that keeps me close to Nvidia is NVENC.
@@giff74 yeah, cuda/rtx also, workstation features what makes AMD gpus a hard buy for me. If I was building a pure gaming pc, AMD would be a no-brainer pick, but I do blender renders and nvidia gpus are fantastic for that.
Shame that machine would struggle in 4k tho, lack of vram and cores for future 4k gaming. or even future 1440p/high fps or max detail gaming proberly.
I loved Kevin, was one of the very first subs. He was the reason why I have my Ducky Shine 7 today.
Wow... I didn't actually expect the 3070 to match the 2080 Ti... Credit where credit is due to Nvidia.
Excited to see your review of the 3070 vs 6800 at 2k and 4k.
Thanks for the review and thanks for being human, Steve. HWUB is a voice of sanity between you and Tim, I'm grateful you guys are able to produce content like this all the time.
I just don't understand Nvidia at all, why gimp the 3070 with 8Gb memory when 12Gb would have made it a stand out card of 2020.
Geez, that ray tracing performance for the 30 series was well overblown. Is it an optimisation thing or just bs?
Great review!
The 2080ti has 68 RT Cores while the 3070 has 46 RT Cores.
Faster for sure but that's it.
Mostly BS
@@humanbeing9079 bs
Might still require some tinkering behind the scenes for engine implementation? 🤷♂️
@@humanbeing9079 a 3070 also has 1536 more cuda cores literally breathing proof into the "brute force" argument hes made prior in his 3080 RT performance video. RT cores went down but cuda cores went up yet the metric is identical......... something doesnt sit right considering the 3070 has roughly 30% more cuda cores yet has 38% less RT cores which is odd because they never stated anywhere a near 40% improvement in RT performance.
I didn't realise he died, I fell out of technology for like a year and didn't keep up
I had to check his channel as soon as I heard that and wow that was kinda unexpected, real unfortunate
I'm bad with names. Kevin who? What channel?
Rage Mode = Ampere owners right now.
Hope you guys can actually find one at MSRP in the county you live in. Over here the 30 series sold out in 1 second and the prices got adjusted upwards immediately.
I guess you didn't here about the AMD announcements today...
Thank you for the dedication to Kevin, Steve. Thought of you at this time too. Take care and have a nice Christmas x
I checked Kevin's channel last week
Well I'll be damn, an advert that got me to "click the link in video description" AND a descent review after that. Steve, you handsome man.
Great analysis. Hopefully a few more humans will be able to get some this time around. I'm excited to see what AMD has tomorrow.
My condolences as you remember your friend. Thank you for your review, and in particular, for not glossing past the impact of stock issues and whether these cards will actually be widely available at MSRP.
Nvidia said "faster than 2080ti" not "on par with 2080ti" dont cover for nvdia on their own words.
It was faster though in a bunch of titles 🤔
@@MLWJ1993 And on their chart they had it at the same level as the 2080ti.
@@Safetytrousers absolutely true, though there might still be occasions where either GPU is faster.
Still not bad for the price at least.
Kevin is the reason I got the Gigabyte Vega56 OC. His enthusiasm during the unboxing was the best. Miss his videos. He would have been amazed at what the 3070 is capable of.
Can’t fault halving the cost. This is epic.
Yeah, you try and buy one, I'll ask you next Christmas if it's arrived yet 😂
Half the price of the overpriced garbage 2000 series isn't doing much for me.
@@odizzido that’s a good point.
It only looks good compared to turing which was horrific value on a legendary scale. Taken as a whole this is nothing special.
It’s also mainly all bandwidth issues. That memory is just allocated for the card not actually used. Steve at GN has an in depth article about it.
Tbh, I was watching at the performance of the 5700xt besides 3070 super.
What you think
@@UltraJamZHD It's doing great.
@@haj4975 you think it be stupid to buy a 5700xt now lol or wait for big Navi
@@UltraJamZHD I think it’s great to wait till the announcement. If the 6000 series provides better value get one. If it doesn’t buy an 5000 series card.
@@haj4975 you think big Navi will release there GPUs in November ? 😅reason I’m asking is Literally built my gaming pc this month been about 2 weeks ! I had to buy a shit GT 210 GeForce just to get HD picture to my screen 😭😂I’m dying waiting for these GPUs bro
What do you mean "500$ king"? It costs 80-95k RSD in Serbia (800-900$), it costs 700+ in say India, it costs ~650-750 euro in Italy, it costs 600 pounds in England, etc. And that's if you are lucky to find it available but that's another story. Even fictional, it's nowhere near 500$
03:23 - GeForce RTX 3080 Specs & Info
I think it should be RTX 3070 ?
Holy crap it's already one year since Kev passed away :O
Thanks! No improvement in DLSS / ray tracing :) I got a 2nd hand 2070 dirt cheap!
It still gives you more fps with it on, than the 20 series.
@@Safetytrousers true... but it costs 2x as much.. so the price:performance is not any better
@@dadgamer6717 Buying second hand is certainly an option, but not if you want to buy the new and latest thing.
STEVE! Can you compare RTX 2080 Ti current performance vs performance when it launched?
I would really love to see how much the constant driver optimizations have improved the performance overtime.
It's so boring now, when no one can really buy it for months, watching these reviews. Just like AMD R3 3300X, just exists on paper. The later cannot be bought in this lifetime for sure...
Thank you for the Perf/W chart!
If amd manages to beat the 3070 with a 400$ card I would be really impressed
They did last generation with the 5700/xt, there's no reason to doubt that
@@YourFriendlyKebab The $500 2070 super released earlier and still shit on the 5700xt, what beating are you talking about lol 😂
@CIearLight no they aren't lol. The 2070 is about 10% stronger lol. Ain't even close to neck and neck.
They won't.
@@johnathanera5863 Hardware Unboxed was at 7% faster on average last they did the big shakedown. 7% more performance for 25% price increase is not exactly stellar in the mid range. Sure, at the very tippy top end cards that kind of thing is normal. The "must have the best, no matter what" gets to pay big time for small gains, but in the mid range.. that doesn't really fly.. So if I get to chose between 61FPS on average for $400 or 66%FPS on average for $500 it is a complete no-brainer...
It would be awesome if you could test the other custom cards quickly because here in germany the 3070 launches on Oct 29th. Would be suuuuuper helpful :)
Nivida is on final notice. AMD, this is your chance.
Pfftt...Nvidia is, and will continue to dominate AMD.
@@xlr8r2010 look mom, a fanboy! Bet he's from th same camp that used to say stupid things like that about Intel. 😂
@@traversharty I only buy Intel and Nvidia....lol
@@xlr8r2010 #confirmed :)
I bought 5700XT watching your past videos. Works for my realistic expectation on Fsim 2020 and X-Plane VR. Thank you for your help for a wise purchase.
I feel like 8gb isn't enough for what is going to come, i will wait for AMD, last time i did r9 390 vs gtx 970, it did not let me down.
for 4k it isn't, currently there sre multiple gsmes thst could use more than 8gb on 4k and not even on max but on medium/mostly high settings. Without mods... so...
@@JohnyMcNeal 8gb is not enough for the new cod at 2k ultra settings already, let alone next gen games.
Where we saw 8GB being not enough the performance hit was not very big.
@@Safetytrousers That's not what this slides says. uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29d4c65797fceaae399e91623c5a9331d39565343e2606093c3274b1d39c916c.png
@@sokol5805 That's not what any of the actual reviews said.
I'd rather go by the actual reviews rather than an image from an unspecified place and unspecified time.
Really appreciate the performance per watt and dollar charts, helps me hammer home what I should be buying!
Goodbye Nvidia. Hello AMD
I wonder if the lack of difference between RT and Tensor cores with the 2080 ti can be changed with driver updates.
Don't buy it - I bought a GTX 1080 in 2016 !!! with 8 GB of VRAM - now we have 2020 (almost 2021) and I should again buy a 8GB graphics card ??
That's crazy - you can throw this card into trash bin next year - 10 GB is the absolute minimum and 16 GB the new standard.
Nvidia just focused on counting money the last years instead of creating good products.
Why would 10gb become the minimum? You sound nuts.
Great review - like all content on this channel.
To give you an idea about MSRP and real price here in the heart of Europe, Austria....
As of time of writing (4th Nov. 2020), retailer shop/tech store prices read like this (and we are not talking ebay or scalpers here, who 1,5 - 2,5x the prices mentioned below):
2080ti on average around 1400 Euro, equals to 1641 USD/ 2283 Australian dollars,
2080Super on average around 800€, equals to 937 USD/ 1305 Australian,
the actually available AIB 3070's are around 800-1000€, equals to 937-1172 USD / 1305-1631 Australian,
the non available AIB 3080's around 900-1100€, equals to 1054-1290 USD / 1468-1794 Australian,
the odd available AIB 3090's are all above 1700€, equals >2000 USD / 2773 Australian.
As a Radeon 5700XT is currently around 500 USD here - the 6000 series prices will be in that same ballpark.
So - the 3070/3080'ies are, whichever way you put it, a price/performance bargain.
And yeah - up here, we pay 50% income tax, 1,3€ (1,5 USD) for 1 litre gasoline, ....
So - stop ranting, and be happy. Hell, for 400 USD you only get a plain cheap 1 or 2 fan (yet widely&readily available) 2060 model here... ;-)
Hope AMD comes out with good value and makes this card look dumb like many rumors are saying! Hate these releases to try and steal radeons thunder
Radeon has no thunder...lol
ATI had some thunder, radeon doesn't even have a spark.
after this expect a low end card for 250-300... like they did with stinky 5500xt...
@xlr8r2010, @Mr_Krippy, @Johnny_McNeil, see you all in 20 hours at the Radeon event. :D I'll be saving this comment so you can eat your words.
@@snozzmcberry2366 even if it's good and cheaper than nvidia alot of consoomers are dumb and won't buy it. That's the worst part
The thumbnails are the best man lol. Rip Kevin.
1, no or hardly any stock. 2, probably almost nobody will able to obtain it for 499. '500 dollar king' is therefore questionable.
true, the real market price could be considerably higher because of availability
I just got mine today, finally. It's rough out there fam