Really enjoy the pod cast, for a guy that is reinserting himself back into the hunting world after a 25 year hiatus. Your knowledge has been priceless. THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME AND EFFORT!🤙
Troy, first, absolutely awesome you're getting back into hunting! Thanks for the comment and listening. Folks like you and all our listeners are why we record them....And we get to have some fun in the process:)....If there other topics you're curios about we haven't covered, let us know! Good luck hunting! Mark B.
I’ve recently gotten back into shooting after many years (kids, time, moves) Your podcast has been extremely helpful as I dust off my firearms and head back to the range.
Just wanted to say that this is a great class on parallax. I was attached to our companies SS platoon and vaguely remember that they had us dial in our parallax against a blank white wall as well. Good Sh*t.
For the maximum parallax error calculation, you forgot to divide by the fixed parallax setting (in this case 100)? We're talking 157.5" versus the correct answer: 1.57".
Yeah, I was wondering why I was getting 157.5". I'm pretty good with all things math and science and the equation he mentioned isn't exactly rocket surgery, but that would explain the 2 decimal difference....
Great job, love the info...two questions, what is the optic on the AR in the picture behind Mike's head, and what kind of Spam you got up on the shelf?
Show Idea.... Could you guys do an 10 minute episode on the internals of scopes, and how they work. The number of lenses, how they move and are adjusted. Maybe a cut in half scope body that allows us to visualize what's happening inside the body. What if any shortcuts cheep scopes use in comparison to a quality scope. And do fixed power scopes have less parts, or lenses inside the body? Does one less lens make them transmit more light? PS.. my last 4 scopes have been Vortex scopes, they are a better value than the Leupold scopes I have always purchased before, great products, with fantastic clarity.
Maybe I missed something. But I was getting terrible groups with my last scope. It was working properly but when I went to shoot I noticed I was able to get 2 groups 3" apart just from moving my head left then grouping with my head all the way right. Same went for up and down. This was a cheap scope sig buck master with no adjustable parallax. Tried the same test with my better scope diamondback tactical with parallax adjustment and I did not experience any shift in my groups. I can shoot under 1/2 moa with a 7mm and under 1MOA with my 6.5 creedmoor. When I moved to the better scope with the 6.5 it grouped consistently within 1/2MOA. So from what I've seen a scope with no parallax adjustment can throw your shot off significantly at 100 yards. So for long range practice parallax is very important for accuracy.
Really enjoying your podcasts. Thanks for the tips on setting up the scope I had no idea what it actually entailed. Very new to rifle. When you all brought up archery and talking about how it it improved your rifle shooting. You hit home. I would buy a rifle couldn’t stand shooting shooting them was getting frustrated so I would sell them. When I finally started with archery everything clicked with rifle and now I am enjoying shooting rifles.
Thanks for more schooling on parallax or also called objective focus. I have come to the conclusion that on a variable scope of 14x or less, the parallax adjust is not really a huge advantage, and when shooting at 100-300 yards mainly. I think I will focus my money more so on optical quality, for say a 4-12x scope. Everyone however does love to have the ability to focus the scope at any range for view ability and parallax minimizing, but as pointed out, but not as necessary unless shooting very long range small targets or varmint at 14x and much greater optical power.
Just shows how good leupold scopes are even the freedom line. The fixed paralax is 150yards and targets even as close as 25 yards are still crystal clear . Leupold for the 🏆 💪
I love y’all’s scopes and binoculars. The first vortex scope i used was the diamondback 4-12x40 on a 17 HMR and I brought it out to 280 yards no joke. Then I went on to by my first vortex scope witch is the crossfire 2 3-9x40 and I got me a deer last season with it. Then I got my brother to by him the same scope for his rifle and I got my neighbor to get him and his son two diamondback 4-12x40, and just a couple months ago I went and got me a new rifle and the VIPER HS 4-16x44 with the Crossfire HD 10x42 binoculars and my neighbor is fixing to go and get him one of the VIPER HS 4-16x44 as well once he gets his new 7mm-08
i love your pod cast i think i have seen most of them i am older than dirt u guys talked me into a 5x25x56 venom on a kidd classic 22 im going to need some help be call you guys in a few this is a far better scope than i am use to thanks again u r the best
Think of looking at a clock face, looking at it "Square On", the clock hands are dead in line with the Numbers. Stand to the Right, say at 30 degrees, the clock looks a couple of minutes Fast. Stand to the Left & the clock looks a couple of minutes Slow. That's "Parallax" in a Nutshell.
So I did the math as it was described (maybe I heard it wrong) and it worked out to 157 inches… reverse engineered it based on the answer you came up with of 1.57. The formula should be: (range - parallax setting)/10 x (objective size/2) =max parallax error. So given your example (300-100)/10x(40/2)=40mm or approximately 1.57”
correct one is 0.5 x D x ( Abs ( R - P ) ) / P, so your reverse engineering is correct for parallax setting = 100, but will be wrong for another parallax “mark”
I'm also getting 7MOA-ish (70.87") max error at 1,000 yrds. (20mm X 900)/100 = 180mm = 70.87". He said angle of error decreases with range, 7MOA-ish at 1,000 yrds is not "less of an error angle" than 0.5MOA-ish at 300 yrds.
Yeah. That was incorrect math further complicated by a terrible explanation 😅 I came here to see if anyone noticed it getting pulled straight out of someone’s butt.
I bought my wife her fist hunting rifle. been trying to find one of the viper 2.5-10 for it. but I couldn’t find one anywhere I thought they had quit production on it
The Viper HS 2.5-10x44 would be a great choice! It looks like A&A Optics has them in stock currently: aaoptics.com/VIPER-HS-25-10X44-RIFLESCOPE_p_36.html
I'm sorry but, the equation that Mike gave & it doesn't seem to be quite correct. I listened very carefully to both instances during the vid when Mike explained the equation & I'm reasonably sure I understood what he said &, it's kinda missing some math which, is easy enough to do with all the chatter going on. I think he may have been interrupted at a critical time during his explanation. Here's what it should be; ((Td - Pf)x Obj)/2 x Pf or Obj x (Td-Pf)/ 2 x Pf Where; Td = target distance Pf = parallax focus of scope Obj = objective Dia in mm I'm not trying to be petty but, in both instances when Mike explains the equation, it's missing half the math.
@@BG-qo8ol No, Td & Pf are a ratio constant for a particular distance. I think the td & Pf can be metric but must both be metric or, both imperial, it doesn't matter in order to correctly represent the ratio of target distance to parallax setting distance. You can also input the objective in inches eg: 56mm = 2.204". That seems to work just as well.
@@rotasaustralis well as you has Obj in mm, i thought it prudent to point out that metrics were need for the other variables as well. Dont need another Mars landing fiasco.
First of all, thank you for clarifying the formula because I thought he was just using “hundreds of yards” which is something we often do in our community, and it happened to render the same answer in his example. Also, I've taken the liberty of rewriting it from “/2 x PF” to “x 0.5 / PF” which removes the ambiguity of whether or not the PF is in the denominator or numerator. Let me know if I did that wrong. So for example: 56mm obj, TD = 300, PF = 100 56mm x |300-100| x 0.5 / 100 = 56mm But if we set the PF 200 long instead of 200 short (PF=500), then: 56mm x |300-500| x 0.5 / 500 = 11.2mm, which suggests that it would be better to err on the long side than the short side: is this correct or am I missing something?
best guess.....send it and correct with multiple winds. lets talk old school Mammoth....LOL then add shooting across canyon and it becomes REALLY fun......LOL
there is way to counter-act the lack of paralax/focus. Just back out from the scope until you have a black ring - then center that ring. then your eye is in line with the croshairs and target. just like diopter-shooters do. this is what i do when i need to shoot stuff longer away then my paralax.. not that i matters more often, im often well close to correct anyway.
How does focal length effect depth of field? Heard that longer scopes have a better depth of field then a shorter scopes due to longer focal length, any truth in this? Thanks for any replies.
Great in depth session Guys that cleared up a lot of the mystery concerning parallax very interesting thank you , keep up the awesome content of your videos I look forward to every one , ( I ) for Mike to shoot a Barrett at 3000 yards , Steve from Australia.
Absolute distance 300 minus parallax setting 100 = 200. That 200 is then multiplied with objective lens (40mm) divided by 2. That is 200 x 40 / 2 = 4000. How did that 1.57inch came from?? LOL!
so when move your ears levle reletive to scope i wanna say dialate and inverse i gotta spell check a lots when your ears one way or the other and the scope gets a drk ring whats the name
@@VortexNation I'm fairly certain that the learning experience with a Barrett involved would be much...erm... 'more' of everything, 'ranging' from simple how-to all the way out to comic relief with a big helping of Tim Allen tool time grunts mixed in. It cries out to be investigated, proven, settled, addressed n' such..... and... all I'm sayin' is, I'll be your huckleberry. I mean, what happens when you mount a red dot to a .50 cal... I dunno, we should find out... see what that means, is that you'd have to send along a plethora of different optics .... and ammo... but such a great idea... you really should partner up with me.
I was a little confused by this as well. I think the formula is: O*.5*(ABS(P-R))/P where O is the objective diameter in mm, P is the parallax setting in Yds, and R is the range in yards. This should give the parallax error in mm
i love your pod cast i think i have seen most of them i am older than dirt u guys talked me into a 5x25x56 venom on a kidd classic 22 im going to need some help be call you guys in a few this is a far better scope than i am use to thanks again u r the best
Really enjoy the pod cast, for a guy that is reinserting himself back into the hunting world after a 25 year hiatus. Your knowledge has been priceless. THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME AND EFFORT!🤙
Troy, first, absolutely awesome you're getting back into hunting! Thanks for the comment and listening. Folks like you and all our listeners are why we record them....And we get to have some fun in the process:)....If there other topics you're curios about we haven't covered, let us know! Good luck hunting!
Mark B.
@@VortexNation Jimmy: “ Carry on” 😁👍
I'm completely new to glass, and these podcasts have been invaluable to me. You've sold at least one scope. Thank you!
I’ve recently gotten back into shooting after many years (kids, time, moves)
Your podcast has been extremely helpful as I dust off my firearms and head back to the range.
Just wanted to say that this is a great class on parallax. I was attached to our companies SS platoon and vaguely remember that they had us dial in our parallax against a blank white wall as well. Good Sh*t.
Scopes are an imperfect, invaluable tool that we all can’t live without
For the maximum parallax error calculation, you forgot to divide by the fixed parallax setting (in this case 100)? We're talking 157.5" versus the correct answer: 1.57".
Oh my goodness, thank you! I thought I might have to go back to Algebra class there for a minute!
Yeah, I was wondering why I was getting 157.5". I'm pretty good with all things math and science and the equation he mentioned isn't exactly rocket surgery, but that would explain the 2 decimal difference....
Great job, love the info...two questions, what is the optic on the AR in the picture behind Mike's head, and what kind of Spam you got up on the shelf?
If you’re geekin’, how about some reckoning on trans-sonic transition and why/how is instability is imparted on the boolit. Thanks!
We'll add that to the boolit idea board! :)
Show Idea.... Could you guys do an 10 minute episode on the internals of scopes, and how they work. The number of lenses, how they move and are adjusted. Maybe a cut in half scope body that allows us to visualize what's happening inside the body. What if any shortcuts cheep scopes use in comparison to a quality scope. And do fixed power scopes have less parts, or lenses inside the body? Does one less lens make them transmit more light?
PS.. my last 4 scopes have been Vortex scopes, they are a better value than the Leupold scopes I have always purchased before, great products, with fantastic clarity.
Maybe I missed something. But I was getting terrible groups with my last scope. It was working properly but when I went to shoot I noticed I was able to get 2 groups 3" apart just from moving my head left then grouping with my head all the way right. Same went for up and down. This was a cheap scope sig buck master with no adjustable parallax. Tried the same test with my better scope diamondback tactical with parallax adjustment and I did not experience any shift in my groups. I can shoot under 1/2 moa with a 7mm and under 1MOA with my 6.5 creedmoor. When I moved to the better scope with the 6.5 it grouped consistently within 1/2MOA. So from what I've seen a scope with no parallax adjustment can throw your shot off significantly at 100 yards. So for long range practice parallax is very important for accuracy.
I did get a few questions answered on this one, well done.
Been binge listening to your podcasts. Great info and entertaining. Quick question…Can focusing the parallax be roughly used as a range finder?
Really enjoying your podcasts. Thanks for the tips on setting up the scope I had no idea what it actually entailed. Very new to rifle. When you all brought up archery and talking about how it it improved your rifle shooting. You hit home. I would buy a rifle couldn’t stand shooting shooting them was getting frustrated so I would sell them. When I finally started with archery everything clicked with rifle and now I am enjoying shooting rifles.
That is awesome! We appreciate you tuning in, my friend!
Calling customer support to say “I completely missed a deer because my parallax is off”
pfffttt sure you did buddy 😂😂😂
What can one say about these Pod Casts.... LOVE 'em. "para-wax" had me chuckling . Happy shooting
We wish that we were making that up!🤣🤣
This podcast was very helpful.
Thanks for more schooling on parallax or also called objective focus. I have come to the conclusion that on a variable scope of 14x or less, the parallax adjust is not really a huge advantage, and when shooting at 100-300 yards mainly. I think I will focus my money more so on optical quality, for say a 4-12x scope. Everyone however does love to have the ability to focus the scope at any range for view ability and parallax minimizing, but as pointed out, but not as necessary unless shooting very long range small targets or varmint at 14x and much greater optical power.
Inducing scope shadow!!! That's so awesoem
Just shows how good leupold scopes are even the freedom line. The fixed paralax is 150yards and targets even as close as 25 yards are still crystal clear . Leupold for the 🏆 💪
I love y’all’s scopes and binoculars. The first vortex scope i used was the diamondback 4-12x40 on a 17 HMR and I brought it out to 280 yards no joke. Then I went on to by my first vortex scope witch is the crossfire 2 3-9x40 and I got me a deer last season with it. Then I got my brother to by him the same scope for his rifle and I got my neighbor to get him and his son two diamondback 4-12x40, and just a couple months ago I went and got me a new rifle and the VIPER HS 4-16x44 with the Crossfire HD 10x42 binoculars and my neighbor is fixing to go and get him one of the VIPER HS 4-16x44 as well once he gets his new 7mm-08
i love your pod cast i think i have seen most of them i am older than dirt u guys talked me into a 5x25x56 venom on a kidd classic 22 im going to need some help be call you guys in a few this is a far better scope than i am use to thanks again u r the best
Think of looking at a clock face, looking at it "Square On", the clock hands are dead in line with the Numbers. Stand to the Right, say at 30 degrees, the clock looks a couple of minutes Fast. Stand to the Left & the clock looks a couple of minutes Slow. That's "Parallax" in a Nutshell.
416 Barrett was recently banned in Canada: just get one to celebrate freedom.
Where's the BC stuff? The project hasn't been backburnered has it?
Thank you gentleman, pros,, I feel better now with my 3x9 for air guns with no parallex adj,, I really not need it,, THANKS
Will yall do a podcast about crossbow scopes?
So I did the math as it was described (maybe I heard it wrong) and it worked out to 157 inches… reverse engineered it based on the answer you came up with of 1.57. The formula should be: (range - parallax setting)/10 x (objective size/2) =max parallax error. So given your example (300-100)/10x(40/2)=40mm or approximately 1.57”
correct one is 0.5 x D x ( Abs ( R - P ) ) / P, so your reverse engineering is correct for parallax setting = 100, but will be wrong for another parallax “mark”
Thank you, I was trying to figure it out in my head because I had no paper 😂
The math wasn't making sense for me either so I looked it up. Link Rus's reply has the correct formula.
I'm also getting 7MOA-ish (70.87") max error at 1,000 yrds. (20mm X 900)/100 = 180mm = 70.87". He said angle of error decreases with range, 7MOA-ish at 1,000 yrds is not "less of an error angle" than 0.5MOA-ish at 300 yrds.
Yeah. That was incorrect math further complicated by a terrible explanation 😅
I came here to see if anyone noticed it getting pulled straight out of someone’s butt.
I bought my wife her fist hunting rifle. been trying to find one of the viper 2.5-10 for it. but I couldn’t find one anywhere I thought they had quit production on it
The Viper HS 2.5-10x44 would be a great choice! It looks like A&A Optics has them in stock currently: aaoptics.com/VIPER-HS-25-10X44-RIFLESCOPE_p_36.html
Thank you.
Fixed parallax. Duplex reticle, can i use the front adjustment to focus?
what do you think about lightning in atmosphere
Scope shadow is quicker to use and cheaper than an adjustment knob.
Thank you for doing this
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We want the chart, please?!!
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you could make your own, 0.5 x D x ( Abs ( R - P ) ) / P
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I'm sorry but, the equation that Mike gave & it doesn't seem to be quite correct. I listened very carefully to both instances during the vid when Mike explained the equation & I'm reasonably sure I understood what he said &, it's kinda missing some math which, is easy enough to do with all the chatter going on. I think he may have been interrupted at a critical time during his explanation.
Here's what it should be; ((Td - Pf)x Obj)/2 x Pf or Obj x (Td-Pf)/ 2 x Pf
Where; Td = target distance
Pf = parallax focus of scope
Obj = objective Dia in mm
I'm not trying to be petty but, in both instances when Mike explains the equation, it's missing half the math.
Dont td and pf have to be expessed in metric also?
@@BG-qo8ol No, Td & Pf are a ratio constant for a particular distance. I think the td & Pf can be metric but must both be metric or, both imperial, it doesn't matter in order to correctly represent the ratio of target distance to parallax setting distance.
You can also input the objective in inches eg: 56mm = 2.204".
That seems to work just as well.
@@rotasaustralis well as you has Obj in mm, i thought it prudent to point out that metrics were need for the other variables as well. Dont need another Mars landing fiasco.
First of all, thank you for clarifying the formula because I thought he was just using “hundreds of yards” which is something we often do in our community, and it happened to render the same answer in his example. Also, I've taken the liberty of rewriting it from “/2 x PF” to “x 0.5 / PF” which removes the ambiguity of whether or not the PF is in the denominator or numerator. Let me know if I did that wrong.
So for example: 56mm obj, TD = 300, PF = 100
56mm x |300-100| x 0.5 / 100 = 56mm
But if we set the PF 200 long instead of 200 short (PF=500), then:
56mm x |300-500| x 0.5 / 500 = 11.2mm,
which suggests that it would be better to err on the long side than the short side: is this correct or am I missing something?
@@wilfdarr As long as you do the same to both numerator & denominator, I can't see a problem.
best guess.....send it and correct with multiple winds. lets talk old school Mammoth....LOL then add shooting across canyon and it becomes REALLY fun......LOL
there is way to counter-act the lack of paralax/focus. Just back out from the scope until you have a black ring - then center that ring. then your eye is in line with the croshairs and target.
just like diopter-shooters do. this is what i do when i need to shoot stuff longer away then my paralax.. not that i matters more often, im often well close to correct anyway.
Relatively new here too complicated scopes you mentioned diopter adjustment at first what is that and do all scopes have that?
Check out Ryan Cleckner's or Frank Galli's books on this procedure.
They mentioned they have another episode dedicated to that.
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Ayeaye, buy the 416!! 😂
So in summary scope shadow is your friend.
How does focal length effect depth of field?
Heard that longer scopes have a better depth of field then a shorter scopes due to longer focal length, any truth in this?
Thanks for any replies.
yeah, thats true. But often lower zoom increased DOF, so if you have a fixed focus system lower the magnification and you get less error also..
optomitrists skiggly red line kinda spell check
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Great in depth session Guys that cleared up a lot of the mystery concerning parallax very interesting thank you , keep up the awesome content of your videos I look forward to every one , ( I ) for Mike to shoot a Barrett at 3000 yards , Steve from Australia.
Thanks for tuning in, Steve!
have we reached the "eye" quota yet?
Absolute distance 300 minus parallax setting 100 = 200.
That 200 is then multiplied with objective lens (40mm) divided by 2. That is 200 x 40 / 2 = 4000. How did that 1.57inch came from?? LOL!
my phrase definition: a kinda montra
Love your products
so im gonna go sight seeing if you put a flashlight to a scope funny trees
What grain, what barrel length, what barrel twist, what yard or meters are you shooting………. Not enough information…….
Dude your a great narrator but can you put on some boots instead of Roman sandals.
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I’m more confused now ..
What can we help with?
so when move your ears levle reletive to scope i wanna say dialate and inverse i gotta spell check a lots
when your ears one way or the other and the scope gets a drk ring whats the name
i found water drops tinny in a airsoft for fun scope
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reflaction what does that meen
I...... think you should provide ME a scope.... with a Barrett attached so I can check out all this sweet parallax mumbo jumbo stuff.... just sayin ;)
You can check out parallax with any riflescope on any setup ;)
@@VortexNation I'm fairly certain that the learning experience with a Barrett involved would be much...erm... 'more' of everything, 'ranging' from simple how-to all the way out to comic relief with a big helping of Tim Allen tool time grunts mixed in. It cries out to be investigated, proven, settled, addressed n' such..... and... all I'm sayin' is, I'll be your huckleberry. I mean, what happens when you mount a red dot to a .50 cal... I dunno, we should find out... see what that means, is that you'd have to send along a plethora of different optics .... and ammo... but such a great idea... you really should partner up with me.
i really dont know
Mark needs to go sit in Hornady podcast. He makes everything funner. Hornady is very informative but they will put you to sleep
paralaxcan you use that in a phrase
Did he just call q 444marlin a pistol cal?
In a Magnum research BFR. Big boomer.
@@Zegswijze I've seen the BFR kinda insane
@@Perry2186 Insane but nice. That revolver is on my wish list but rather hard to find here in Europe.
i cant fix a pool table dont make me rent a truck
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Am I the only one who comes up with 157 inches? Am I missing something?
I was a little confused by this as well. I think the formula is: O*.5*(ABS(P-R))/P where O is the objective diameter in mm, P is the parallax setting in Yds, and R is the range in yards. This should give the parallax error in mm
I think the way he read it would give you 400 mm. Which is 15.7 lnches
Yeah, I went back over how Mike explained the equation & it is definitely incorrect.
Nope. You didn’t miss anything. They were very wrong.
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i love your pod cast i think i have seen most of them i am older than dirt u guys talked me into a 5x25x56 venom on a kidd classic 22 im going to need some help be call you guys in a few this is a far better scope than i am use to thanks again u r the best
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