THE LAST JEDI: Episode VIII SPOILER FREE Reaction / Review - Star Geek

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  • @jordanthefanboy4368
    @jordanthefanboy4368 6 років тому +40

    I wonder what people will think about this movie years from now, it seems to have polarized the fan base, but just remember Empire had a very mixed reaction when it came out.

    • @InfernoBlade64
      @InfernoBlade64 6 років тому

      Jordan The Fanboy stop twisting narrative empire had mixed response from critics while last jedi had mixed response from audience

    • @rokky6053
      @rokky6053 5 років тому +2

      I think some of the fans need a bit more time to digest the decisions of the movie, maybe after ep.9 the whole trilogy makes some sense for them

    • @rokky6053
      @rokky6053 5 років тому

      More sense*

  • @asapluke
    @asapluke 6 років тому +38

    I'm not a die hard star wars fan, I went into the film with an open mind and I loved it.

    • @angeljedifaux1838
      @angeljedifaux1838 6 років тому +3

      Luke Whitten its for the best. Dont be a star wars fan. Its a curse

    • @luisricardo13
      @luisricardo13 6 років тому

      totally agree: an open mind is needed to enjoy the movie.

  • @TheSoloTrooper
    @TheSoloTrooper 6 років тому +28

    I loved it. Way better than Force Awakens and Rogue One for me

    • @TheSoloTrooper
      @TheSoloTrooper 6 років тому +1

      I found it way more creative than Force Awakens and Rogue One which lack creativity

    • @BGOutOfService
      @BGOutOfService 4 роки тому

      SAME!

  • @darthbaggins007
    @darthbaggins007 6 років тому +27

    I really liked this film.

  • @what.3133
    @what.3133 6 років тому +2

    I’ve been hyped for this for two years, and I haven’t seen it because I bought tickets to a really nice theater this coming Friday. I was doing really well avoiding spoilers, and couldn’t wait to be surprised. Then, a friend of mine who saw the movie last week decided it would be funny if he spoiled EVERY MAJOR PLOT POINT! So now I will never get to experience this movie without any information.

  • @sooshiii
    @sooshiii 6 років тому +4

    I abselutely loved it!! It`s so different from the other movies, and it really adds a lot of great stuff to the Star Wars universe.

  • @sacmanxman2515
    @sacmanxman2515 6 років тому +5

    I think a lot of people are bothered by how different this movie is. The Original Trilogy was the classic Hero's journey, which is a universal story structure, and why I think it resonated so well with people. The Prequels went a much more politics-focused direction, in addition to adding some new ideas into the mix, and people hated them (I mean, there are lots of problems with dialogue and annoying/stereotyped characters, but aside from those..).
    This new series is throwing so much else into the mix, and the people who love Star Wars for the heroe's journey... of course they're going to hate it. I don't blame them, however I am definitely not one of them. I LOVE what they did with this movie (with the exception of that one animal you mentioned, and some of the humor was too marvel-ish for my taste), and how they threw cliches out of the water. People are going to hate it no matter what direction it goes. If they took the route of the Hero's journey again, people would complain it was a remake. If they kept all the same characters they'd say something about plot armor. You just can't please everyone because everyone has different reasons for liking it.
    Me? I love Star Wars because they're fun movies, and because they have a lot of interesting ideas about people and how the world works.

  • @askadrian2586
    @askadrian2586 6 років тому +4

    Star Geek is amazing! Very hyped for the film!

  • @TundraCH
    @TundraCH 6 років тому +16

    9/10 awesome movie!

  • @theanygamer4044
    @theanygamer4044 6 років тому +2

    I saw it at 6 on Thursday. That John Williams documentary was great.

  • @iturtlehd
    @iturtlehd 6 років тому +3

    I agree with you completely

  • @charlotteh7512
    @charlotteh7512 6 років тому +3

    i am so excited to see it and i’m seeing it with my dad too! can’t go until monday though but i’m so ready!

  • @starwarsshorts235
    @starwarsshorts235 6 років тому

    Awesome video as always Star Geek

  • @bloodbornesurvivor6399
    @bloodbornesurvivor6399 6 років тому +1

    This is why I'm subscribed

  • @newsiesforever208
    @newsiesforever208 6 років тому +1

    I loved The Last Jedi. 97.95/100 because a few scenes bothered me but it was great all around

  • @ellamadison2178
    @ellamadison2178 6 років тому +16

    First! I saw The Last Jedi! So good!!! GO SEE IT!!! The Last Jedi was filled with crazy plot twists. Anyways, love Your Channel Star Geek!!!

  • @Oobie-Doobie
    @Oobie-Doobie 6 років тому

    I did the exact safe star geek! every year whenever a new star wars movie comes I skip school and go see it with my dad and just chill out!

  • @Andromeister27
    @Andromeister27 6 років тому +10

    I think it's the best Star Wars movie since ESB.

  • @noah_of_babylon
    @noah_of_babylon 6 років тому +1

    As a die hard fan (And I DO like the prequels, so don't even start) I like this movie quite a bit. Indeed to see it again to process everything, but I really liked it

  • @hyper0315
    @hyper0315 6 років тому +3

    Loved it

  • @johannesstadler9424
    @johannesstadler9424 6 років тому +1

    I really loved it! And awesome review by the way, I have the same film rating :) I really can't understand why some people just have to hate on everything new.

  • @mrzumbum5267
    @mrzumbum5267 6 років тому

    I saw a double feature too with my dad and skipped school for it and saw it again tonight

  • @RednaxIsHere
    @RednaxIsHere 6 років тому +1

    I did a double feuture as well

  • @eliseeinertsen8118
    @eliseeinertsen8118 6 років тому

    I have really missed your videos, it is great to have you back! And I totally agree, it is an incredible movie. And I am super excited for your spoiler review, I want to know what you think of one specific character!?

  • @claireelyse5992
    @claireelyse5992 6 років тому +5

    I liked this movie! I can't wait to have my own copy to watch at home. It was so good and different! I really want to see where we go from here!

    • @claireelyse5992
      @claireelyse5992 6 років тому

      I agree with star geek with just about everything he said. Great review

  • @blockbusteredits3615
    @blockbusteredits3615 6 років тому +7

    Dude we have the exact same ranking! Good review

  • @73chenj
    @73chenj 6 років тому

    Haven't heard from you in so long, come back and review Solo please!

  • @jfv2312
    @jfv2312 6 років тому +2

    (SPOILERS)
    I only disliked 3 things about the film
    -Now, ffs, WHO THE HELL IS SNOKE? I feel they could've used the character better
    -Leia flying through space (really really hated that tbh)
    -Finn and Rose's plot. I mean, the part of the casino was interesting, but I have the feeling they could've cut that out of the film. Also, Rose saving Finn because love and shit WHILE THE WHOLE RESISTANCE BASE BLOWS UP KILLING MANY OF THEIR FRIENDS felt stupid as hell.
    Apart from this, great pacing, great fun, the action scenes were intense and unexpected as hell, and most importantly: it is FRESH. Rian Johnson did what JJ Abrams should've done in Ep. 7, being brave and launching the franchise into a new direction, that sadly, not evreryone has to like, but there was no way to avoid that.

  • @garrettm4084
    @garrettm4084 6 років тому

    Everything in this movie was much better than TFA. Rae in TFA I didn't like too much, but now she is one of my favorite Jedi ever. The plot finally got away from just rerunning old plot lines (like a new Death Star), but you could see some mirrorization of ESB. I placed it 3rd as well in my favorite Star Wars list (behind ESB and ROTS). Overall, I rated 8.5/10 because it was a little too quick paced for me, and there were some unnessecary scenes). Go see it, its new and fantastic

  • @energy7231
    @energy7231 6 років тому

    i agree

  • @Batgame_1
    @Batgame_1 6 років тому

    I have a friend yesterday him and I watched the movie and he did know averting that was going to happen
    He didn't think this move had great plot twists
    This was his first time watching it

  • @Grand_History
    @Grand_History 6 років тому +2

    Good story, but bad directing with bad jokes at bad moments. A lot of great moments, but a lot of bad ones too. The very ending felt like an advertisement for Disney Parks. While there were many awesome points, as a whole my brain didn't even accept it as an official Star Wars movie, and it didn't feel real. So far it's the worst one, but I want to go see it again to see if a second viewing will change my mind somewhat

  • @1325marky
    @1325marky 6 років тому

    *Non_Spoiler Comment*
    I give it a B+. The performances were fantastic and very well-done across the board. The story and characters were great, but I did have one thing that kept me from giving it an A. If I could determine a root cause for any negative feelings that I have, it’s the constant interruption of any mood/emotion that begins to swell because we have to have one-liners and slapstick in EVERY scene to break the tone it tries to set. It’s like playing a piano smoothly and flawlessly, then hitting a sour note to take you out of it and interrupt the emotion and captivating tone of the music playing. There’s nothing wrong with the melodies or the notes written, but the imperfect person playing the piano hitting those jarring notes often can cause some issues when you watch/listen to it. The characters and underlying story, I gave an A with no apology. The CONSTANT tone interruptions, that’s where it took me out. Anyway, I’m still planning on seeing this multiple times as I’ve done every Star Wars movie since the Phantom Menace in 1999. Star Wars is the reason I fell in love with movie theaters!

  • @camo6465
    @camo6465 6 років тому +9

    Definitely better than episode 7... TONS of plot twists that kept the story new and interesting! There were TONS of times I was LEGITIMATELY wondering what they would do next! It was SO TENSE!!!

  • @jolandasmith74
    @jolandasmith74 6 років тому

    I just saw the movie with my friend

  • @5xmasterx548
    @5xmasterx548 6 років тому

    I'm watching it in 23.5 hours

  • @evilted
    @evilted 6 років тому

    I love the last Jedi

  • @stephen4609
    @stephen4609 6 років тому

    My Father and I went, *he fell asleep*

  • @Okapi540
    @Okapi540 6 років тому +3

    Really disappointed in your opinion, Star Geek. I don't know how you can even say that this gives us a richer look at the OT characters than ever before. Leia is the only character who benefited from this movie.

  • @nehemiasmorales7392
    @nehemiasmorales7392 6 років тому

    Here

  • @vacuumgaze5277
    @vacuumgaze5277 6 років тому

    It was ok

  • @smoothie_gamer
    @smoothie_gamer 6 років тому

    I really liked it was better than the last two

  • @cjua2803
    @cjua2803 6 років тому +20

    Star wars fans are one of the worst things about star wars. I dont give a shit what so called "super fans" think. I feel like a majority of these people only like 3 out of the 8 movies

    • @solinvictus2132
      @solinvictus2132 6 років тому +2

      cjua2803 that is true and annoying, I agree definitely about the 3/9 movies, but honestly, I do think we got a solid fan base. When you have films that have as HUGE of a fan base as this one, there are gonna be rotten people, but I also think we have a great fan base! I went to opening new night for VII, Rouge, and VIII, and I loved the experience with my fellow geeks! The laughing, cheering, and being able to connect with one another!

    • @mvttz
      @mvttz 6 років тому +1

      cjua2803
      I like 5 of the 8 movies
      Which are:
      Hope
      Empire
      Jedi
      Revenge
      Rogue

    • @cjua2803
      @cjua2803 6 років тому

      Sand lmao you picture though. I like all the films except episode 2 which is a mess but I come across too many people who complain about how nothing is ever good as the originals. As for fan bases go I still like the lotr one. Those movies are damn near perfect in terms of cinema

    • @mvttz
      @mvttz 6 років тому +2

      cjua2803
      1,2,7 and 8 are horrible

    • @AyanKhan-og3sd
      @AyanKhan-og3sd 3 роки тому

      @@mvttz You are Horrible

  • @grantjones2863
    @grantjones2863 6 років тому

    There were some great one liners, but how long can they milk out the francise.

  • @RugbyLeagueHistory
    @RugbyLeagueHistory 6 років тому

    I thought it was a good movie, I was only disappointed with one thing but besides that I was happy.

  • @reeseexplains8935
    @reeseexplains8935 6 років тому

    Hello

  • @mullanbarkerproductions
    @mullanbarkerproductions 6 років тому +5

    I liked it

  • @austingarcia6790
    @austingarcia6790 6 років тому

    I’m gonna have to see it again, but I honestly thought it sucked

  • @gsaaaeo7
    @gsaaaeo7 6 років тому

    Hi

  • @dannytravis8138
    @dannytravis8138 6 років тому

    What’s your new ranking of the 9 movies

    • @StarGeek
      @StarGeek  6 років тому

      Keep watching and you'll see. :)

    • @dannytravis8138
      @dannytravis8138 6 років тому

      StarGeek I’d put it in the middle like 5 or 6 I thought it was really good besides the Finn and rose story line

  • @erniewaterson5833
    @erniewaterson5833 6 років тому

    You should know that the audience review on Rotten Tomatoes is completely untrustworthy... Check out this video - m.ua-cam.com/video/qVYwqepVCY0/v-deo.html

  • @Glassandcandy
    @Glassandcandy 5 років тому

    Mixed bag of a movie. When it hit high it went REAL high, but it had some serious issues with pacing and character motivations, especially in the B plot and the convergence of the A and B plot. Overall I think it's around 7.5/10 and much better than the prequels. I think I'd place it on the same level as Return of the Jedi because both movie have very similar problems imo.

  • @itssaffron290
    @itssaffron290 6 років тому

    8.9/10

  • @jacobblackburn6406
    @jacobblackburn6406 6 років тому

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  • @nfstyles
    @nfstyles 6 років тому +26

    It was a good movie with LOTS of bad decisions.

    • @thomasjohnson1885
      @thomasjohnson1885 6 років тому

      NFStyles Like what?

    • @danielgreen2538
      @danielgreen2538 6 років тому

      I'm going to get murdered for this but the last Jedi is a steaming pile of shit. Firstly it decided to completely ignore the force awakens who are reys parents oh nobody that wouldn't have been so bad if they hadn't hype it up so much in the last film same with Snoke big build up powerful vilain oh wait he is dead and kylo goes so cliche nah we can rule together that was good in the ot but in TLJ is out of place and cheesy just a cheap death for an interesting bad guy the scene after was cool because we had a cool fight but the silly light saber throw kill poke him in the eye bit was just silly would be ok in clone wars or rebels but not here
      Ok Luke yes I can understand he doesn't want to teach rey but he could been more developed and teach her that the Jedi did get some stuff wrong but still fucking teach her also he could have been more developed and helped and do cool shit in the next film but instead he dies a cheap death also the fucking blade of grass reaching out that was fucking hilarious SARCASM
      Leia was decent we saw her as a strong leader then she flies through space in just a ridulousy cheesy way apparently she can use the force fine out of nowhere
      Yoda looked weird and acted strange
      Fin was just boring comic relief which wasn't funny rose was even worse so annoying none of the humour landed their oh casino plot was a waste of time oh look at the poor Oliver twist kids for a couple minutes then they get betrayed out of nowhere for a cheap twist
      Then phasma dies after 30 seconds
      Craite battle wasn't Craite pun intended it was quick had no emotional depth waste of time oh look fin is going to sacrifice himself oh cool I don't care anymore oh wait rose to the rescue oh fuck of rose oh I love you kiss FUCKKKKING hell the cheesy shite is off the scale
      Oh luke tricked them cool oh what he's dead oh ok WHAT! No emotional weight killing him off so soon was stupid
      Leia should have died luke fails to save her so Luke would have a reason to fight next movie
      Rey is even more Mary sue she can take down all those guards after a day and a half of so called training
      Poe and the resistance yay poe got more screen time but the plot was dull I liked that he was rebellious but then we find out holdo had a plan all along but didn't tell him oh fuck off then she sacrificed herself oh are we supposed to care ok cool shot but no emotional weight
      The HUMOUR OH GOD it was awful it took me out of the whole film oh a serious scene ok how can we make it ridiculous oh I'll put you on hold humour that goes on for too long beating you over the head with it just not funny. Luke milking the animal and drinking it we don't need to see this in star wars just unessasary like some much of the film some of the humour was prequel slapstick. And I almost forgot the last scene of TFA rey holds out the lightsaber and he just throws it away fuck off that would happen just another cheap shock
      Oh chewie was in this movie for 5 seconds oh he's eating porgs oh no he feels bad no he's a fucking wookie he would tear your arm off if you pissed him off
      The TFA had problems but I enjoyed it it had a lot of set up and this movie ruined that it's like the director didn't watch the previous film
      So I went on but I love star was and feel very strongly this film has ruined the new trilogy and I don't think jj will be able to fix all of it in episode 9 very disappointing face Palmed multiple times and wanted it to end thanks for reading have a nice day

    • @nfstyles
      @nfstyles 6 років тому +5

      Thomas Johnson Like wasting Snoke in the 2nd act or making Rey's parents seem important just to reveal that they are nothing or finn and rose's half an hour animal saving story arc or Phasma getting boba fetted for a second time or ending every storyline that they set up for two movies even though there will be another movie or making Kylo the main villian even though Rey already beat him once or killing Luke even though we never saw how strong he became in lightsaber combat. (Which would have been epic to see but we just saw some vision Luke dodging two of Kylo's attacks. What a battle scene amiright? Btw can we get lightsaber fights that last more than 2 minutes?) Oh don't forget that Luke was sucking milk from a creepy ass alien cow. Ok I think that's about it. :)

    • @instantbadass
      @instantbadass 6 років тому +1

      You know who made it seem Rey's parents were important? Fans.

    • @nfstyles
      @nfstyles 6 років тому +4

      instantbadass Actually no its was a big mystery throughout the 2 movies.

  • @treeper9986
    @treeper9986 6 років тому

    It was a good movie, but you guys in the comments that ruin a SPOILER FREE review. This is why I don't watch these things until I see the movie. You spoilers here are flat out jerks.

  • @jillweff
    @jillweff 6 років тому +9

    What? I️ thought the movie was a let down, one of the worst for me, just my opinion though, I️ respect anyone who enjoyed it

    • @disorientedkiwi7984
      @disorientedkiwi7984 6 років тому +2

      I respect you for that. I loved it, but it’s fine to think otherwise, as long as you don’t beat people over the head with your own opinion

  • @Abonanno24601
    @Abonanno24601 6 років тому +15

    Did we watch the same movie?

  • @mvttz
    @mvttz 6 років тому +1

    This movie was disappointing to say the least

    • @Greatspartan87
      @Greatspartan87 6 років тому +1

      Matthew Brant This made TFA look like citizen cane

  • @KentKaliber
    @KentKaliber 2 роки тому

    Its the year 2022 --- and The Last Jedi STILL SUCKS! It was absolutely AWFUL from start-to-finish and I'll never forgive the abuse to Luke Skywalker. EVER.

  • @GodzillaTheKingoftheMonster
    @GodzillaTheKingoftheMonster 6 років тому

    Really I I had episode eight was the worst stars wars Movie I ever seen

  • @sandywichmann9292
    @sandywichmann9292 6 років тому

    No way I‘m paying Disney money to watch this sh**t - I don‘t want to watch a bad remake of a once good story.

    • @serbancapraru8559
      @serbancapraru8559 6 років тому +1

      Sandy Wichmann It's not a remake. If anything it's different than everyone expected.

    • @sandywichmann9292
      @sandywichmann9292 6 років тому

      serban capraru You probably think so because, I guess, you haven‘t read all the Star Wars novels. Disney doesn‘t want them to be part of the canon but they steal ideas from them, for example, the idea that Han‘s son turns to the dark side. I‘ve read it years before TFA

  • @himmura
    @himmura 6 років тому

    Last Jedi made the prequels look good.

  • @danielgreen2538
    @danielgreen2538 6 років тому

    I'm going to get murdered for this but the last Jedi is a steaming pile of shit. Firstly it decided to completely ignore the force awakens who are reys parents oh nobody that wouldn't have been so bad if they hadn't hype it up so much in the last film same with Snoke big build up powerful vilain oh wait he is dead and kylo goes so cliche nah we can rule together that was good in the ot but in TLJ is out of place and cheesy just a cheap death for an interesting bad guy the scene after was cool because we had a cool fight but the silly light saber throw kill poke him in the eye bit was just silly would be ok in clone wars or rebels but not here
    Ok Luke yes I can understand he doesn't want to teach rey but he could been more developed and teach her that the Jedi did get some stuff wrong but still fucking teach her also he could have been more developed and helped and do cool shit in the next film but instead he dies a cheap death also the fucking blade of grass reaching out that was fucking hilarious SARCASM
    Leia was decent we saw her as a strong leader then she flies through space in just a ridulousy cheesy way apparently she can use the force fine out of nowhere
    Yoda looked weird and acted strange
    Fin was just boring comic relief which wasn't funny rose was even worse so annoying none of the humour landed their oh casino plot was a waste of time oh look at the poor Oliver twist kids for a couple minutes then they get betrayed out of nowhere for a cheap twist
    Then phasma dies after 30 seconds
    Craite battle wasn't Craite pun intended it was quick had no emotional depth waste of time oh look fin is going to sacrifice himself oh cool I don't care anymore oh wait rose to the rescue oh fuck of rose oh I love you kiss FUCKKKKING hell the cheesy shite is off the scale
    Oh luke tricked them cool oh what he's dead oh ok WHAT! No emotional weight killing him off so soon was stupid
    Leia should have died luke fails to save her so Luke would have a reason to fight next movie
    Rey is even more Mary sue she can take down all those guards after a day and a half of so called training
    Poe and the resistance yay poe got more screen time but the plot was dull I liked that he was rebellious but then we find out holdo had a plan all along but didn't tell him oh fuck off then she sacrificed herself oh are we supposed to care ok cool shot but no emotional weight
    The HUMOUR OH GOD it was awful it took me out of the whole film oh a serious scene ok how can we make it ridiculous oh I'll put you on hold humour that goes on for too long beating you over the head with it just not funny. Luke milking the animal and drinking it we don't need to see this in star wars just unessasary like some much of the film some of the humour was prequel slapstick. And I almost forgot the last scene of TFA rey holds out the lightsaber and he just throws it away fuck off that would happen just another cheap shock
    Oh chewie was in this movie for 5 seconds oh he's eating porgs oh no he feels bad no he's a fucking wookie he would tear your arm off if you pissed him off
    The TFA had problems but I enjoyed it it had a lot of set up and this movie ruined that it's like the director didn't watch the previous film
    So I went on but I love star was and feel very strongly this film has ruined the new trilogy and I don't think jj will be able to fix all of it in episode 9 very disappointing face Palmed multiple times and wanted it to end thanks for reading have a nice day

  • @chrisromero2608
    @chrisromero2608 6 років тому

    SPOILERS!!
    For the people bitching about Leia “flying” in space, stop, just fucking stop. No one, unless you’re fucking Superman or a DBZ character, can fly in space because there is no gravity. All Leia did was use the force to pull herself towards the ship

  • @Kyle-wc3sj
    @Kyle-wc3sj 6 років тому

    Such a disappointment

  • @ryhobbs35
    @ryhobbs35 6 років тому +1

    This movie is so disappointing it changes nothing while not answering any questions while featuring the slowest space chase in cinematic history!

  • @ohDeFume
    @ohDeFume 6 років тому +7

    One of the worst Star Wars in my opinion, boring it dragged on and the plot was stupid

  • @jonathangelslev9403
    @jonathangelslev9403 6 років тому +24

    It really sucked :/
    Went to the cinema, hoping that we would get some good answers to a lot of questions....
    Seems that Disney is continuing to rape and milk the franchise...
    Seems that everything is still running in a meaningless circle.
    Beat Star Wars ever?
    It's a good watch... but... come on...

    • @AlexSoetekouwProductions
      @AlexSoetekouwProductions 6 років тому +1

      Thank you for making everyone reflect upon the film and maybe reform their opinion with new information thanks to your constructive criticism.

    • @jonathangelslev9403
      @jonathangelslev9403 6 років тому +1

      Alex Soetekouw productions you're sooo welcome :D

    • @solinvictus2132
      @solinvictus2132 6 років тому +3

      Jonathan Gelslev I liked how I think we got even MORE questions, it would be better to have it all rap up in the finale, not in the middle, that’s just my opinion and I do agree it does have its problems.

    • @jonathangelslev9403
      @jonathangelslev9403 6 років тому

      Sand ... yeah. This is a spoiler free video... so I really didn't wanted to go into specific details...
      But I get so frustrated, that the movie gets praised as ''The best Star Wars movie ever''...
      I have been a follower of Star Geek for quite some time... And I got sooo frustrated, that he went down the same road ... bla bla bla.
      I'm old and mad. The movie had some good moments... but story wise... it really sucked...

    • @pumpkinman5954
      @pumpkinman5954 6 років тому

      Alex Soetekouw productions do you even know what constructive criticism is? Bc that's not it