"There's too many collectibles!!" they cry as they mindlessly consume every Ubisoft game packed to the gills with collectibles and map icons to check off...
Collecting stuff is fine. It's the amount of work it takes becomes tedious. Yes, even in Ubisoft games. The main issue was running into a collectable, being unable to collect it... So you run to a switch barrel, run back, and then collect it... Only to find a new blockage/collectable that requires switching. Tbh I recently played the DK64 with the Kong swap mod, and it's actually really enjoyable. So it is less about the collectables and more about the backtracking.
@@benvictim it didn't feel like work at all. Me and my sister both played it and we'd save our progress. Sometimes we'd just play through levels and had fun. We played DK64 for hours. Good times.
Well, there is more nuance to the discussion than that. It needs to be fun to actually collect the collectibles. What baffles me is that people lambast Donkey Kong 64 and then praise Super Mario Odyssey as if the latter actually has fun collectibles to obtain. (a few are, but 90% are legitimately just sitting in the open, require you to sit next to someone, require you to kick a rock, or some other mundane task that gets obfuscated by the game's fun basic movement mechanics)
If you could just switch kongs with the d-pad there'd be no complaints. There aren't even that many collectibles but the tag barrel is a complete pace breaker.
Having to interrupt gameplay to find a barrel to switch from DK to Diddy to collect red bananas even though they're right in front of the player gets annoying real fast. It's fine to have those colored nanners as a suggestion for what character I should use in the area, especially taking in consideration their moveset and abilities, but DK64 forces your hand to play a certain way instead of getting experimental. It doesn't let the player make own mistakes playing the wrong kong, nor does it have a rewarding feeling when you do overcome the challenge you placed upon yourself. That's why DK64 is hated.
It isn't the collecting that kills it for people. It is having to go back to the barrel and swap kongs to collect certain things. It can get frustrating at times, the game would be helped feel less tedious if this wasn't the case or you could switch kongs on the fly
When in need to play as a specific Kong, once press of a button and the desired Kong that you are closest too, you will then take control of. As for Kong specific areas, only that Kong will enter as the others stay behind until you regroup with them! 😊
This game got done so dirty. It's totally a victim of mob mentality. Folks thoughtlessly complaining about the game as though they're all hardcore completionists who always 100% all of their games. It's just a fun, good, game. It's not a freaking project. Honestly, the amount of dogpiling this game has gone through reminds me of back in the day when UA-camrs realized they couldn't keep making videos about how bad Sonic 06 was, so they switched to retroactively hating every Sonic game ever and peeps just kinda agreed with them without really thinking.
@@Topgun5t It does suck ass to 100% complete. That's why, if you wanna just enjoy the game, don't do that. Imagine thinking Dark Souls sucked ass cuz you put some self-imposed challenge to only use the broken straight sword.
while DK64 did have some issue, overall I will say I enjoyed it. Dk64 is not nearly as bad as jet force gemini (another of rares Collectathons) that of which you did need to near 100% complete to beat
Nooooope. This game has some decent stuff in it and can be fun at times, but the needless backtracking with every character is incredibly annoying. Also the controls can be pretty clumsy at times. Not the worst game ever made, but it is rightly lambasted even us maybe people go overboard at times.
What a lot of people fail to remember is this game was released at a time where most people didn’t have many games. You could sink dozens if hours into this, and while there are some VERY frustrating parts, you don’t have to complete them. I completed the game for the first time with just enough bananas to get into hideout helm. For a kid, a game this bit was mind blowing, and it’s still impressive today. Maybe we just shouldn’t be trying to speedrun to 101% completion.
@EddieSpaghetti69 "Why are there so many Korok Seeds only to give me a golden turd as a reward?" Because collecting all of them was never the point. The point was for you to encounter enough of them to get everything you needed from them. Once you had fully expanded your inventory, there's nothing else that the Korok Seeds are used for. Get the rest of them if you want, but it's not productive. Same idea here. Not every colored banana, golden banana, or banana coin is necessary to get all you need from the game. They're overstocked on purpose to make it so you don't /have/ to get everything to beat the game.
@@MarioMonte13 I've already answered this a dozen times. I'm fine with the *number and required ratio of collectibles* what I have hatred for is the minigame collection which is required to complete the game; specifically the Jetpack and Classic DK coins. I'd be fine if it *wasn't required* to beat the game; but the minigames felt like *mario party one* and many of those *never* returned. That's what I mean when I mention many people "didn't beat the game" because *I would bet they did not.*
I'm so glad a lot of recent videos about DK64 are finally defending it. I've always loved this game ever since I got it for Christmas in 1999. I've also always thought the statement that this "killed 3d platformers" was so stupid when Rare literally released 2 more 3D platformers on the n64 after this and in the next generation of consoles you couldn't walk two steps without seeing a 3d platformer with the only thing that changed was there were less collectables and the only reason for that is because DK 64 had 5 fully playable characters that weren't restricted to a small section of the game.
Yeah the statement that dk64 killed collectons is objectively wrong. Dozens came out after it, some of which where great games too. Like any trend it got over saturated and people got bored of it.
If it killed 3D platofrmers then how did these games still get made? Banjo-Tooie (2000) Spyro 3: Year of The Dragon (2000) Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (2001) Ty The Tasmanian Tiger (2002) Super Mario Sunshine (2002) Super Mario Galaxy (2007) Super Mario Galaxy 2 (2010) Super Mario Oddysey (2017) Yooka-Laylee (2017) A Hat in Time (2017) Astrobot (2024)
The race with the dung beetle got to be very frustrating he takes three banana coins every time you bump into him Then by accident I missed the speed barrel, jumped past it I happened to push the B button and was able to punch him back! He let out a whimper and bounced then all frustration gone into laughter! There’s just so much charm, for instance, watching each Kongs idol, animation, or walking very slowly with lanky Kong with his arms up in the air 😂 I love this game. It still has its difficult moments, but after finding my own technique to beat Beaver bother it’s no longer my most hated mini game. Finding the secret ending with the 201 bananas was always the topping on the cake. Still love the game but been harder to find the time to play it. Yeah, I own two Nintendo 64 copies including my original from 1999 and a copy on the Nintendo WiiU.
Its crazy how much easier it is replaying the game as an adult. I remember racing those beetles dozens of times as a kid lol. Now after finally replaying the game after plenty of years, it only took a couple tries to beat them.
I just want a fixed version where you can collect any colour coded items with any kong and if you hit a face or fruit switch it works with any kong but it also swaps you to that kong as well
I wouldnt say fixed. Backtracking and seeing things youll need a tool or character to get through the game is part of its identity. Same way the first few sonic games encouraged multiple play throughs to learn the levels and gain speed. It was intentional and ok that you couldn't boost through each level the first time you are there.
The only thing that bothered me with DK64 was getting that pesky Nintendo Coin. I completely missed it on my first playthrough, and when I got to the end of Hideout Helm and realized I needed it, I groaned (I thought it was an optional secret item when I read the manual, and I didn't know where it was without a guide!). But honestly, that's the only time the game really got on my nerves. I enjoyed it, overall. (And yes, Beaver Bother is not well-coded, but i discovered a trick that worked fairly consistently, so it didn't get to me in the end)
Back when I first played DK 64, I never had an issue with the Collectibles. That's what was going into this game for. The only issue I ever had is that in order to complete the game you have to beat original Donkey Kong not just once, but again with a higher difficulty setting. Aside from that, and some of the more annoying minigames, the game was fine. Still would rather play Banjo-Kazooie though.
Still think it was a huge missed opportunity to not make this the N64's answer to Crash Bandicoot. Not only would it have rounded out the lineup but the final product would've felt closer to the masterclass snes trilogy.
I love this game since 25 years! And i never pretend to dislike it, its so crazy good! I love it all, the backtracking, the different kongs. My favourite is btw Lanky! He is so goofy and his long arms are so funny. And his voice sample! "Hoppla!" and this ones, when he walk at his hands. Oh man, such a great time with the game. I have finished it 2018 finally and collect after it the last colored banana! It was a blue baloon at a waterfall!
Oh no this game is really hated by the community it's got the singular problem of having to switch characters constantly to activate stuff which means you're going through each room up to five times oftentimes less than that it's usually around three And there's just too many collectibles each world has 100 bananas for each of the five kongs so that's 500 in each world and the problem is is that these bananas can only be collected if you're that correct Monkey so lot of backtracking then there's 10 golden bananas for each monkey for 50 in each world And unfortunately because there's so many of these the actual act of acquiring the golden bananas is often times repetitive as you'll often times enter a bonus game barrel for one but there's only like 5 or 6 different mini games so they keep getting replayed and quite a few of them are just not good particularly the fly swatting the sled race and the worst one of all the very glitchy beaver hurting where you try to get them into a hole however they don't want to go in the hole it's glitched where they'll just kind of cling to the side nobody has ever figured out a consistent way to get them into the hole every time so a lot of trial and error Ohh and then of course there's coins for each kong to purchase moves and weapons there's one blueprint for each monkey in each world And unfortunately the first two worlds cannot be 100 percented on your first time through scents you get the final two monkeys in the third world which means you have to backtrack to those worlds there's actually a mod for this game that fans created that let's you switch monkeys at any point oh I forgot to mention also that you can only switch monkeys usually at certain designated points but moderates made it so you can just change them at any time which makes the game so much more fun
Nah, it's hated, and for kinda dumb reasons in my opinion. People mainly don't like this game cuz there are too many collectibles, it's a pain to 100% complete. It's almost like listening to news sites all copying each others arguments at this point, totally unaware of a very easy solution to the problem. That solution being. . . just don't 100% the game.
@@psycholuigiman There's a few flaws in your argument First stop this game should be compared to if contemporaries which include banjo kazooie its sequel And mario 64 All of these games which are fun to 100 percent second and the most important flaw in your argument is that it's not the amount of collectibles people have a problem with it's the fact that you constantly have to keep switching characters to get these collectibles It's fundamentally unsatisfying to have to constantly switch characters for no other reason than to walk the same hallway 3 times because that hallway contains three different colors of bananas or two different colors of bananas and a golden banana for a 3rd 3rd Flaw In your argument is accusing everyone's Response to this game is Making the assumption that everyone's complained through this coffee to you and pasted from each other no they're not they're just all noticing the same flaws fourth lies in terms of the 100 percenting the game In that it would require either looking up a walkthrough or multiple playthroughs to even know how much you need to grab To beat the game And since people are not going to want to keep running back to worlds to grab more stop it they're short they're going to grab as much as they can on the first run through And quite frankly collective Dawn games have almost always been most enjoyable at 100% in them it's not like skyrim Or a grand theft auto where 100 percenting a a game is completely optional and expected to be more of a chore to pat out the game the whole point of a collectathon is to collect and if collecting is not fun then why are you playing the game and since collecting is the point of the game it should be fundamentally fun to collect and thus to 100 percent complete
@@yami122 Basically all your points fall apart because, like Skyrim and Grand Theft Auto, getting 100% completion is optional in this game too. Wanna compare it to its contemporaries? Okay. You don't really have to 100% complete those games either, and in fact, lots of people play them that way and love them all the same. Somehow, DK64 though has this expectation that you'll be 100%ing it, even though that's so far from what you need to do to have fun. It's irritating to have to travel through the hallways three to five times to get everything. . . so just don't. All that's in those hallways are stray bananas and you don't need them all to get the banana medals. Not to say it's NEVER a problem. As this video so perfectly pointed out that sometimes they have those crappy hallways that require two characters to even get through. Fact is though, those kinds of rooms are kinda uncommon. There's noticing the same flaws, and then there's having the exact same reaction to those flaws. That's what gives me the impression of folks just parroting what other people have said. Why, one of my best friends once said all the exact same complaints you stated. One problem. This particular friend hardly ever goes for 100% on any platformer game. It's not a genre he's super fond of, so he just plays until it's not fun, or until he beats the game. So why would he care that this game is hard to 100%? Because somebody told him to care about that. Sadly, that's how a lot of people operate, you know. They listen to folks they deem to be of higher standing than them. I can understand speedrunners or true completionist types having their issues. Statistically speaking though, those people are not the majority, so it makes very little sense for their concerns to apply to the general gaming audience. Lastly, don't wanna use a walkthrough? Okay, just don't use a walkthrough. Don't bother with 100%. So you see, almost all grievances are easily resolved by simply not playing the game like a tryhard. Relax and have fun with it. Don't treat it like a school project. I get hat it's fun to do that for some games. Nothing gives a dopamine rush quite like seeing a checklist with all the boxes checked off thanks to your efforts. At the end of the day though, not all games are meant for that, like you pointed out. If you were playing Skyrim and hated the game cuz it's a pain to complete 100%, everybody would say that's on you. I'm just saying to extend that same courtesy to other games, even when out first instinct tells us not to extend that courtesy.
Finally, someone who has more than half a brain cell. I played the game only a few years back, and I still enjoy it. I never had issues with the length and backtracking. Even if the minigames can be frustrating, compared to Banjo Kazooie, it has way less moments that made me feel cheated and punished unreasonably. And unlike that game, you don't need to 100% this game just to win. So you know, there are opitions.
It's always great to see people praise this as this was honestly one of my favorite N64 games. My only gripes are that, well, on top of some of the minigames feeling impossible, if they ever remake/remaster this game, I really hope they get rid of the coin challenge. Having to complete arcade DK on hard to access the final boss is the reason I never completed it.
there are only about two minigames that are real close to being impossible. one is because of an oversight of sorts that Cybershell did a video on and one of them is just badly made in general.
I think dk64 is an interesting case study for how far the “polish” of a game can carry mediocre gameplay. Working through something like my 7th 100% run of the game this summer, and I can honestly say I’ve enjoyed every minute I’ve spent with this game over the years. The task of collecting things is tedious, but for me this is weirdly a part of the appeal. I don’t have to expend brain power on complex puzzles or combat, leaving more of my awareness dedicated to just enjoying the immaculate sound design, music, lighting, and vibes that the game has to offer.
I think I’m in the minority, but the Nintendo Coin was super easy for me. There was an old card shop I played Pokemon at and they had a Donkey Kong cabinet in the back with the coin button open so you could have infinite continues, and I think I got good at Donkey Kong lol.
This is one of the games I grew up with, and I agree. People tend to crap on this game, but I think most people agree that it's OK, at least. People tend to give it the "It has too many collectibles!" complaint, or "It's too long!" or whatever, but it is neither of those. And yes, I originally played it on actual hardware (Though I have played it on emulator as well, no savestates either), and I think it's a good time. The one thing I'll complain about is the original DK minigame, but that's basically the only bad thing. It's overall a good game. Oh yeah, fun fact, this game was released around the time I was born.
I think you would love the randomizer of this game. Kongs and moves can be shuffled in with golden bananas and various other collectibles. Though that means there's a chance that a Kong or important move could be locked behind a Beaver Bother barrel or the Donkey Kong arcade game depending on your settings. :p
I enjoyed this game because it reminded me of Mario 64, however it offered a change of scenery based on character (In this case, DK) and there were also some new character mechanics not seen in other games similar to it. It was fun and kind of reminded me of Super Mario 64 & Banjo/Kazooie clashing into one.
My main problem with this game besides how janky it is sometimes and how repetitive it gets it's precisely that. They tried to do too much at the expense of the quality. Banjo Tooie instead did the opposite and it's a far better game with each Jiggy feeling far more unique and fun, with better bosses and harder overall. DK64 has 5 characters, first problem. Instead of that they should've gone for only 2, DK and Diddy (maybe 3 with Dixie, but I hate Dixie was replaced with Tiny). That gives each Kong 5 golden bananas per world, and allow the game to have far better quality. With that said, each Kong should have had a mine cart adventure, a barrel blast adventure and a mini boss adventure in every world, to make the game have more traditional DK stuff. Then the bosses could've been turned between DK and Diddy to end with the final boss having phases chaning along those 2 as well. This also would allow DK to be the MAIN CHARACTER as he is supposed to be but the game fails so miserably to do. He has the worst moveset, the worst bananas, he is literally the tutorial character. DK should have the super punch attack! not Chunky! He should be the one to become huge!! not Chunky! (I think I made my point) The game should have focused on the quality of the stuff over the quantity and would've been far better. That said... it's a 6/10 for me because it's part of my childhood and I love the music
fr, you don't need to 101% the game in order to beat it, I feel like the people who use the "too many collectables" as an argument for why the game is bad either haven't played the game or they're letting the internet sway their opinion. The game is fun, despite some tedious and annoying flaws, that doesn't mean that the game as whole is bad 🙄
DK64 for me also holds a strong sentimental value and holds a lot of nostalgia as the first console game I ever played. for me, it was a game which helped me open my eyes to the possibilities of gaming and acted as a means of escape from less than ideal situations from my early childhood, something that wasn’t all that great. What I remember most was the hours I’d spend getting lost in DK64’s worlds and taking it all in, being fascinated of the places the game took me. I will be the first one to admit and acknowledge that DK64 hasn’t aged the most gracefully, and as you alluded to, there are some mini games which would prompt a controller being thrown. But that to me doesn’t detract from the overall experience and simply made me realize those particular golden bananas weren’t worth it. I played it again some years back, in my high school/early college days, and as I did, I was taken back, back to that time of my early childhood, experiencing the game and all its worlds again and that escape, and even in knowing how it didn’t age with grace, I walked away feeling like I genuinely had fun. The only thing I find frustrating these days is that this game is not on NSO still, and that bothers me to no end Nintendo for some reason continues to hold it back, even as three years have passed since the expansion pack tier debuted and brought N64 titles. I truly wish Nintendo would get a grip and just drop DK64 already, it’s a gem imo and I’d recommend anyone to at least give it a try.
I love dk64. i still have my banana cart! I think replaying this game nowadays is a lot better with mods like the dpad tag barrel one. It makes the game 10 times less frustrating! I honestly am just waiting at this point for a multiplayer mod to one day come out for it, if mario 64 has it this awesome title will have it someday!
I've always loved this game. It's flawed, buggy, irritating, and long, and I loved every second of playing it. I was so happy when the Wii U had it on Virtual Console, that was the first VC game I bought. I'm so glad I still have my Wii U so I can keep playing it forever and ever.
I pretty much entirely enjoy this game, even getting 100%. The segmentation is the only bog down, and the very few mini-games that are frustrating (Beaver Bother in part because it's bugged) don't bother me that much (they did my first playthrough, but subsequent playthroughs they're fine because at least I know they're coming and know what to expect and how to take care of them).
Saw the thumbnail and immediately clicked. DK64 is my favorite collectathon ever. No ifs ands or buts. Yeah some of the bonus barrel mini games are about as fun as shoving shards of glass in your eyes and at some point the controls are frustrating due to weird camera angels. But the main gameplay loop is amazing. Adventuring through creative and lively worlds searching through every nook and cranny to find every possible secret all while planning ahead which kong you should explore with first and when you should switch. And don’t even get me started on the art-style, atmospheres, music and character personalities. This game oozes with charm unlike anything else. I’ve always preferred DK64 over Banjo-Kazooie because just the tag barrel selection screen ALONE made the Kongs far more enjoyable to play as and see their reactions.
I actually LOVED this game. I just can't see why everybody HATES this game. Sure, when it got ported to Wii U, it was done pretty crappily, and was unplayable with the Wii U controllers, but seriously? This game SHOULD eventually make it to the Switch as a part of Nintendo Online. Maybe someday. Also, I hope Banjo-Tooie makes it there too. Hopefully it might be too much to ask, but sometimes we get lucky and get an old game we loved years ago on a modern console - stranger things have happened.
I would consider Dk 64 to be one of my first games I played out there since the N64 was my first gaming console I ever played. So while yeah, there’s a lot of problems with it, I can’t really hate it either even and still find some fun in it after all these years later. One day I would love to 100% Dk 64, probably because I’m a psychopath, I dunno. But just because something did not age as well as others does not mean there isn’t something there worth loving.
I played and beat it for the first time a couple months ago, on my Wii U. It’s a decent game, there’s fun to be had, but I think the Fun vs Frustrating levels tip to Frustrating. The coolest thing is jumping from high places actually gives you that feeling in your stomach of falling that other games don’t give you. I went from Zelda BOTW to DK64, and tried changing the controls up to play more like BOTW, I think it helped. The worst thing was that Jack in the Box boss, fuck that shit
Idc what anyone says. This game is an easy top 5 of all time for me. Did a lot of the gameplay mechanics make sense from a an accessibility and quality of life standpoint? No. But at the end of the day the way they went about creating this game gave it so much character and charm. This game for me, is an artistic masterpiece of its time. I will always love you DK64
It feels more like Banjo-Kazooie than Donkey Kong Country. That's why I don't like it, plus some levels correspond to the levels from B-K: Angry Aztec = Gobi's Valley Fungi Forest = Click Clock Wood Creepy Castle = Mad Monster Mansion Also, this game DEFINITELY didn't kill a genre. Literally Halo and GTA3 made people want to play and make more games like that, since those redefined gaming.
my brother and I played the shit out of that game when we were little. beating it was a fun challenge. even as a kid i was not happy with the amount of backtracking, that's the main issue. with 5 different characters all needing to run thru the same areas multiple times each to collect everything it gets annoying. having to run backwards, change character, run forward collect 10 bananas, run back, change character, run forward on repeat does suck. also the mini-games repeat too mamy times that being said the good far outweighs the bad in this game.
Would suggest doing as much as you could with each character and move on. Coming back later to sweep each level with each kong. Keeps things a bit fresher and less choppy. You don't need to think about tag barrels too often.
But it DID kill a genre- considering how terrible of a game it is! DK64 singlehandedly killed off the 3D collect-a-thon platformer genre- which only made a resurgence in recent years thanks to MUCH better games like A Hat In Time, Yooka-Laylee, and ESPECIALLY Super Mario Odyssey- which is one of the greatest games ever made!
@@BigAlvideos101 To sum up: “Yuh-huh, it WAS bad because it was terrible. Also, Yooka-Laylee was good because reasons.” Look, it’s fine if you don’t like it. If you’re going to blame the decline of a genre on it, you have to try to make some kind of actual point about it.
DK64 got high review scores and very positive perception back in its time and is mostly hated only in retrospect. I don't see how a game that was loved at the time could have caused the death of its genre.
Cost Because of a game breaking glitch rare was forced to pack in expansion packs With every copy of the game which costs them a fortune Though I think the idea that this killed that genre is fundamentally false I don't think it did I think it just happened to be one of the tail end games of a genre that started to become obsolete as technology improved and created superior formats such as shooters both first person and third person collective funds were basically made because game creators couldn't think of good ways to make 3D worlds compelling without using the idea of collecting items as the core of the gameplay What was superior hardware from the next generation More complex and larger games were able to be built that no longer required collection Of trinkets
@@yami122The game breaking bug theory has been proven false. Apparently, it was due to the game's lighting effects just needing an extra 4mb of memory for the system to process them (which given how dynamic it is, makes this idea a lot more plausible). But ,the game definitely wasn't the 'killer of collectithons' people assume it was; there were still quite a few games of the type selling rather well into the 2000's. It was just the natural evolution of 3D generating more ideas and possibilities
@@Dead_Metal Fun fact. The current proved theory is, that on first entry of a level, all "dynamic" lights will baked in this extra 4mb. So it will be explained, how its possible, that this game has so many lights sometime at constant framerate
Nobody said it caused the death of its genre except a dishonest person working at Polygon trying to soup up the article and make it sound more sensational. Check for any quote of anything like that from the guy he was interviewing. He actually even complimented DK64 and said he didn't want to put the blame on it, just that the outcome of it was people felt collectathons were labourious.
All anyone I've ever heard in real life say about this game is how great it was. When I first heard about all the hate I was like "what? Who hates this game?" I admit I see the flaws, I get the criticism but I don't care it's still one of my favorites.
I think it's those people who obsess over 100% completion who don't like this game. As kids we would just skip what we couldn't beat and get as far as we could. I feel like adults (or teens) who played this game for the first time focused too much on getting everything. Also for some reason I've found people hate that they have to beat Donkey Kong in one life. To me if you can't beat the og Donkey Kong in one try you shouldn't expect to beat any of its sequels.
Yeah I had never heard anyone hate it until UA-camrs that last few years. Think it’s probably bandwagon followers. I’ve only know a handful of people who have actually played dk64 but they all loved it. Personally Ive never found getting 100% that bad, and I don’t understand the constant complaints about backtracking I see these days. When is it back tracking vs deliberately game design? Metroidvainas never get grief about it. it is a core design of Dk64, going back to areas with new kongs or abilities to unlock more stuff. There are a lot worse games for getting 100% than it as well. Original windwaker is one example off the top of my head. I did it, but it’s the only Zelda game I beat once, because it was annoying to complete everything. My only real complaint about dk64 is some of the mini games get repetitive, and some of the lanky races are hard to do on modern tvs.
It’s just mob mentality. Similarly to Doom 3 , it was loved until a UA-camr made a video crapping on it and impressionable people took up pitchforks and started hating on it then it spreads like wildfire
I love Doom 3, but you're kidding yourself if you think what you said is true. Doom 3 has been a highly divisive game since its release 20 years ago. The hate for Doom 3 pre-dates UA-cam itself.
I don't know about that, I came to the conclusion that DK64 was flawed on my own, I've gotten more critical over the years. I like a lot of aspects of the game, but I would never call it the definitive Donkey Kong game. I still want a new 3D Donkey Kong game, I just don't want it to be a repeat of DK64.
@@SlothSG Same story with me for 2018 :D What was ur last little banana? My was the blue balloon under the water fall in crystal caves! Because the render distance is really evil for it, u see it not good at points where u can shoot it down! :D
@@buckubel I made a spreadsheet and went stage by stage, so last was somewhere in Creepy Castle. I got all the achievements for the game on Retroachievements. Game had damagless achievements for every boss. Krool was ROUGH
@@SlothSG my pre-last banana was a five-pack for diddy in this grave in a casket, which u have break up, and i never knew it! :D oh cool, i played it on a physical n64 so i had no archievment :D but some bosses without a hit are surely very difficult As a kid, i had a great problem with the first boss, so my siblings helped me. But the second and fourth boss was no problem so i can play until world 6 complete alonrle :D and yeah the box fight without a hit... phew... i almost cant beaten him with full melons :D but my biggest problem there is the last punch, i cant memorize the rhythm
@@buckubel I should go back and best my OG cart since I've only done it on Emu. Maybe one day. I think the hardest no hit ones for me were Puftoss and Krool
Jetpack wasn’t too bad, but that arcade coin was ridiculous. That game was the last Golden banana that I found 😆. I literally 101%ed the game as soon as I beat it for the first time😆
Not a single lie in this video. DK64 was not made at a time where players (outside of a very tiny minority) were expected to 100% a game. There are a million things to do in the game because it gives you an abundance of choice. As a game primarily for kids that is GOOD.
True but thing is is that new players aren't going to know That they don't need to 100 percent the game And its contemporaries of the time had top people that it's a good thing to seek 100 percent Banjo Kazooie in particular Required almost all of its puzzle pieces and notes To really beat the game Sure the hardest door and puzzle to complete are technically optional but you need that double health to beat the boss unless you have God like skills you can miss two Jigsaw pieces and about 20 or 40 notes And because of that most people are going to automatically assume that there's a similar reason to collect the things in Bandra Kazooie And Collectathons Tend to be fundamentally different than most other game genres in that 100 percenting collection this makes more sense because the games are about collecting things so people are going to want to collect all the things because that's all of the game play
@yami122 Hard disagree that new players don't know that they won't likely get 100%. As someone who remembers when DK64 came out, no one EVER assumed that getting 100% was necessary to win. Mario 64 didn't require 100% stars to win. And the game itself makes it very clear immediately you never need 100% anything to progress the game.
@@davidandersson7642 since collection is the fundamental core of any collection any collective thong In which the fundamental act of collecting things is so unfun that players are aiming for the minimum needed to beat the game that's a problem
How to fix the biggest problems of the game. Allow the tag barrels to warp to one another, most areas with warp pads had a tag barrel near them already. Allow players to change Kongs without the tag barrel. Increase the number of mini games, there are way too many repeats. Most of the enemies are kind of pointless and lack variety. There also needed to be something more for each character, i feel more areas should've centered around a specific Kong, Kreepy Kastle is the level that does that the best The Nintendo coin also prevented me from beating the game as a kid.
I love the idea of the tag barrel warp, although it could be a lot since there are so many of them. I've never understood why the tag barrels are a problem though. I recently rebeat the game after hearing all the negative comments, and it didn't feel bad at all. There are tag barrels everywhere, and in the main areas with multiple golden bananas for the kongs, there is usually a tag barrel right in the center of the action. Do you remember which areas/bananas were the worst for you when it comes to switching kongs?
@@PrinceDman the warps would be relegated to each map, obviously, to cut down on the massive list that are in the game. And it's less about the tag barrel being nearby and more I have to constantly keep running back and forth to it especially if there's multiple items for different kongs. The most egregious level would be the water level, which is broken up into mainly 2 areas. The light house and the sunken ship, both areas are extremely large in size with few tag barrels so you're constantly running to and from the tag barrels. Every level has at least one of these areas except for the castle which is the only level to have a layout that doesn't constantly have you running back and forth repeatedly
@@osets2117 Yeah, I was assuming so, but still could be a lot (some levels have like 20+ tag barrels). Possibly unlock warp teleporting after beating the level's boss? That way you could at least dematerialize the Troff n Scoff areas resulting in less tag barrels (or just as a fun reward). Agreed, the water level just feels atrocious to play lol. Assuming you are using the correct Kong, navigating the level still isn't satisfying.
I picked this game up in the 2020s for the first time and I actually enjoyed it. I came in with no nostalgia for Rare and tried this, Diddy Kong Racing, and Banjo. I preferred DK64 to Banjo, which is sacriledge to say online.
@@Birthnote I played DK64 first as a kid so I always felt BK was a rip off of DK64. DK64 is like BK on crack more characters, bigger levels, even more collectibles.
I've been playing DK64 and I've loved it for a long time. As a programmer, I want to eventually create a spiritual successor with different characters (e.g. a hedgehog knight and badger thief). The low points of the game were definitely a problem for almost everyone, and I hope to fix them with my spiritual successor.
As a fellow programmer (well future programmer in 2nd year of school now) and a dk64 fan I wish you the best of luck! I’d play your game based on the description.
I think the only word of advice I'd have is to not have as many characters. Or find a more creative solution than simply swapping characters on the fly (I feel the inevitable follow-up to that is to just give all of those abilities to one character). But I lean the former since DK64's issues likely wouldn't have been so severe if there weren't so many characters all of the collectibles were split across. It probably could've gotten away with three. Or have five characters but don't make them exclusive to ONE character (i.e. allow Diddy OR Tiny to grab certain golden bananas). Or......... well, anyway. lol
I LOVE that you added your siblings playing DK64! It brought me back to the early 2000s, pre-internet days, when I played with family. We took turns passing off the controller trying to discover more collectibles and completing the toughest of challenges together! Awesome video! I love that this game is getting more and more praise! I'll be releasing a Donkey Kong December series this Dec, all on DK64. If anyone has love for this game, this series is for you! :)
What Rare didn't realize was adding an absurd amount of collectibles actually made this game wonderful as a randomizer mod. Now that you've beaten this game, go play the randomizer. Seriously it never gets old now, even when all that happens is the items and upgrades get shuffled. it's cool to see how much in the late game levels you can still get even without basic early game abilities. And ice traps too lol.
I used to think this game was a cherished classic right alongside Mario 64, Banjo, and Ocarina of Time. I was genuinely shocked when I watched my first negative review of DK64 around 2010. And it seems the rest of the decade nobody had anything nice to say about the game. I’m glad that there are still plenty of folks who still adore the game.
Absolutely love this game, so much that I legit just busted out the n64 to play tonight haha, it’s been so long and it appears I had a file with 188 bananas, so close. But ima start over for the fun
People think it's bad because they actually played it. I did. I think it was shit. I never completed it. Too much. Which is saying something for a 10 year old. Ended up trading it and keeping the memory upgrade for Majora's Mask and Perfect Dark. Actually good games. It is widely regarded as one of the worst N64 games ever. Basically the opposite of the OOT legacy. It killed platformer collection games.
@@darkhobo Dude, I played it too and reached the opposite conclusion. I think it's great. The music is fitting, the level design is competent, it pushed the limits of the N64 (as most RARE games did), and it gives you a lot of content to keep you entertained for hours. I don't understand this "It killed a genre" argument. Super Mario Sunshine was also a platform collector and it came out three years later. The Rachet & Clank series has platform collecting mechanics and it does well. It looks more like platform collecting mechanics are still around and that DEDICATED platform collecting games simply fell out of fashion around the turn of the millennium.
@@darkhobo "Too much" is understandable but keep in mind that it's a collectathon game, it was a very popular genre back in the day. I've never heard of DK64 being "Widely regarded as one of the worst N64 games ever". When I look up DK64's rating on google, the ratings are pretty high across multiple websites (IMBD, NintendoLife, IGN, Metacritic, Google's own rating, etc). Where the source of your claim and how far did you get in the game?
Never understood the hate this game gets the last 10 years.. (which is btw a trend for older games nowadays... And the hate is new because I can still vividly remember when it released back in 99 that its was beloved by almost everyone) Its a great game that I love(d) very much and its still a blast to play. And yes I 100% it back then.. All bananas, the full 101% completion.. Even al coins and coloured bananas.. And unlocked the secret casting movie at the end.. Do NOT skip this because its a trend to "hate" it. If you love the old school 3d collectathons like Banjo Kazooie and Super Mario 64 and really miss those.. *play this game* !
Ah this game was such a trip in the blast. Playing with my lil bro on 64, this game showed me the light of who is Donkey Kong. And even as an adult I still have a soft spot for this game even with 100%ing it, I had fun with it even if certain parts of it were pretty infuriating (cough cough creepy castle’s beaver bother barrels). Giving me a range of emotions throughout with hilarious laughs, raging anger, and gratifying satisfaction. It’s a game you wouldn’t find like in the modern age whether you taken as a bad or a good thing. Just can’t help but groove with the DK crew😎 with Lanky being absolute favorite. Really wish they release this and update some parts about it or bring to nso.
The strong dislike people seem to have for this game has always absolutely baffled me. Especially given how Mario 64 and Banjo-Kazooie seem to have the complete opposite reputation. Personally, this is easily my favorite of the 3 big N64 collectathon platformers. Aside from Beaver Bother being a buggy sack of dicks, my only real complaint going back to it is that it was maybe a little too ambitious with it's visuals. It seems to have even more framerate issues than most other N64 games, which are already pretty inconsistent most of the time. Maybe playing on an emulator could fix that, but I personally prefer playing on original hardware whenever I can. Also, it's interesting that you listed Chunky as a favorite. He was always my and my siblings least favorite to play as. Every time I play the game I spend as much time playing as Lanky as I can get away with. Also also, just throwing this out there while I'm at it: Donkey Kong Country 3 is another game that I think is severely over hated. It also kind of parallels DK 64 in the sense that the current consensus of the game seems to be that it killed the 2D collectathon platformer, which I think is just as ridiculous of a claim. And I don't even have any nostalgia bias for that game.
There were so many collectables and other things to do, because modern gamers forget… DLC AND ONLINE GAMING WASN’T A THING YET… you couldn’t add more to it later, or patch issues. It had to be a fully functioning, ready to go product right out the gate… It also had to entertain people for a long time to stay relevant. If it was over too quickly, nobody would play it
Who doesn't like DK64? It's a delight. All my friends remember it fondly. The only way I can think of why someone wouldn't like it is because it has too many collectables and if you're trying 100% it I could see it being frustrating. But I advise you don't do that and just casually play it getting what you can.
As someone who recently replayed dk64 specifically to get 101%, it def starts to drag on, but i literally have never had a more satisfying feeling than slowly watching that % climb lol
the only people who don't watch certain channels I won't name and take their word as law. or dumbass kids who aren't supposed to be on youtube. difference doesn't matter they're the same type of stupid in the end.
It always makes me a bit sad when people cant distinguish between "i love it" and "its good/great." Those two things are not related and dont influence each other. You can love total shit and you can hate great products. Objectively speaking, DK64 is massively flawed but still has strong points and its a pretty decent game, especially for its time. Its not the piece of trash it is made out to be. Absolutely not. Its a decent game. But no matter how much people love it, it will never be a GREAT GAME. Its just not.
I’m glad more and more people are giving this game the respect it deserves. Even though you said you’ve always loved it yourself, I’m glad you didn’t hide it in any longer. I don’t care how many people crap on this game. This will always be one of my favorites of all time. As you said in the video, nostalgia definitely plays a big part in this. Although I still think the game is pretty good to this day. Five playable characters, tons of items to collect, amazing music, fun gameplay, etc. I could go on and on why I love this game, but you already summed up everything in the video perfectly.
The fact that Banjo Kazooie doesn't keep a tab of your collected collectables is, in my opinion, more poorly aged than DK64 that at least does that much.
I find DK64, more than any other game I've played, is a game that needs to be played with the right mindset. The temptation is to view every collectable as an objective that needs to be completed, and I think this is how most of the people who complain about the game having "too much stuff" are approaching it. However, I've found that the way to enjoy it is to take a much more laidback approach. Explore the areas, and let finding collectables almost be incidental. Just look around and see what you find!
thats the thing Mr Fleck i never pretended it wasn't its the hill i choose to die on i always loved this game and always viewed those who say otherwise as NPC's who can't think for themselves and let youtubers tell them what to think
DK64 is King of the Overhated Games, it gets a very bad rep when it doesnt deserve it. Rare popped off to give us the Ultimate 3D Donkey Kong and got told that it's "too much". like seriously, how is THAT a complaint?? back in the day for $50 you got ALL that content and people want to label it as "too much"? i wish more games had this "issue", if such is the case. i completed DK64 without a guide and i felt satisfied by the time i finished, not saying that the game is perfect, but damn.
The problem with this "wonderful" generation is that when one person says something is bad about something (rather it be a movie, TV show, or a video game), someone else is dumb enough to believe them and then everyone else does the same thing. It's very toxic and unhealthy and I'm so goddamn sick of it! People are too lazy to have their own opinion, anymore and have to rely on the stupid "word of mouth" trick that we are dumb enough to fall for, every fucking time! It's like it's the oldest trick in the goddamn book!
6:54 you using save states makes me think your gamer card should be revoked, sir. Completing the arcade machine challenge made me grow chest hair and a full mustache by the age of 10
I do think the exclusive collectibles per Kong was annoying as their placement was lazy and often overlapped the same areas forcing you to retrace every area of EVERY level with each Kong. It was a tedious grind. But I still love this game. Each Kong feels great to control.
Collectathons, the need to switch characters, the goofy music...I hated DK64 because it was such a huge departure from the last 3 games. I just wanted to roll around spooky jungles and such as i roll and jump onto bad guys. But it felt like "Banjo Two point fiveie"
And thanks to the mob mentality, all we get of Donkey Kong as of late is the same overused 2D schlock. Over. And over. And over again. We’ll never get another 3DK again. Thanks, ya damn nostalgia simps. Y’all ruined everything.
Donkey Kong 64 was my original favorite game. I still love it to this day. it is a classic. I guess I get the hate, but it will always be special to me.
People underestimate that during the time in your life when you are developing your personality, any media you like is going to be a masterpiece to you because of how it influences your subjectivity. People who experience it outside of that context will never get it. Its not a problem with the thing itself. There is no objective good or bad with these things.
Honesty its a fun game overall , yeah 100% is tedious, but not the worst grind , hell id argue mario sunshine gets way more tedious with its 100% completion. DK 64 isnt the worst case in general of to many collectibles , but ya dont need all of em to finish the game .
It's like Christmas every time I see a video like this in my recommendations, watching someone with more then half a braincell talk about this game warms my heart like nothing else. your video was good, some hiccups but I still approve. some day I'll make my own version of this video that's ten times as long and twenty times more aggressive but for now I'm happy, Keep fighting the good fight, soldier.
I always have and always will love Donkey Kong 64. It's not perfect but even my top favorite games of all time have flaws. No game is perfect and for what it is I LOVE Donkey Kong 64 and always will.
I'm also in the "The game is good but people remembered it as bad" Crowd. Sure the game has a ton of pacing issues, but it's not like every video game doesn't have theirs sometimes.
I absolutely love this game. I remember my dad, and I did a math problem with each kong and their bananas. we also fogured with each color banana comes a different flavor too.
I specifically got into videogames much harder because I 100% cleared Kingdom Hearts and found that to be a very rewarding and intentional experience. I still know so much about KH1 and I absolutely fall in love with the game over and over every time I play it. Not all games are worth it to 100% that is true but that being said there're games that do lean into you playing the whole content much more naturally than other games. Like saying you'd hate the game because you play it so much should never be said in full confidence especially if you're trying to convince me this was a good game. Some games are a lot better at letting you 100% the game like Banjo because there aren't a lot of arbitrary decisions split between 5 characters. Katamari Damacy also feels fun to try and 100%. There are many games where I would argue you should 100%. Just a weird biased take to be honest. Like how can you say that in a post Vampire Survivors industry?
Here me out, it took me from 2000 to like 2006 or 2007 to beat the story. I had no clue about how to get the Nintendo coin. but my older sister at the time was kinda babysitting me. She asked if she could play the DK arcade game within the game. So I went to it and had her beat it a voila. 😮 She then passed the controller back and said that was fun, meanwhile I'm just 😮.
"There's too many collectibles!!" they cry as they mindlessly consume every Ubisoft game packed to the gills with collectibles and map icons to check off...
Collectathon platformers were peak. I miss those so much!
Collecting stuff is fine. It's the amount of work it takes becomes tedious. Yes, even in Ubisoft games.
The main issue was running into a collectable, being unable to collect it... So you run to a switch barrel, run back, and then collect it... Only to find a new blockage/collectable that requires switching.
Tbh I recently played the DK64 with the Kong swap mod, and it's actually really enjoyable.
So it is less about the collectables and more about the backtracking.
@@benvictim it didn't feel like work at all. Me and my sister both played it and we'd save our progress. Sometimes we'd just play through levels and had fun. We played DK64 for hours. Good times.
There are people who think ubislop collectibles aren't boring as hell?
@@MacUser2-il2cx to you it didn't feel like work, to the majority of players however it did.
People legit play a collectathon and then complain that it has too many collectibles.
Well, there is more nuance to the discussion than that. It needs to be fun to actually collect the collectibles.
What baffles me is that people lambast Donkey Kong 64 and then praise Super Mario Odyssey as if the latter actually has fun collectibles to obtain. (a few are, but 90% are legitimately just sitting in the open, require you to sit next to someone, require you to kick a rock, or some other mundane task that gets obfuscated by the game's fun basic movement mechanics)
If you could just switch kongs with the d-pad there'd be no complaints. There aren't even that many collectibles but the tag barrel is a complete pace breaker.
If they Just weren't color coded.
@@jakebowman3537Nah, the bananas being collectable by only one Kong is the dealbreaker.
Having to interrupt gameplay to find a barrel to switch from DK to Diddy to collect red bananas even though they're right in front of the player gets annoying real fast. It's fine to have those colored nanners as a suggestion for what character I should use in the area, especially taking in consideration their moveset and abilities, but DK64 forces your hand to play a certain way instead of getting experimental. It doesn't let the player make own mistakes playing the wrong kong, nor does it have a rewarding feeling when you do overcome the challenge you placed upon yourself. That's why DK64 is hated.
There is NOTHING wrong with “Collectathons”
Just think of it more as a “huge adventure”
Thats how people thought about it before the retarded word "collectathon" was invented.
DK64 though, is an actual collectathon xD
It isn't the collecting that kills it for people. It is having to go back to the barrel and swap kongs to collect certain things. It can get frustrating at times, the game would be helped feel less tedious if this wasn't the case or you could switch kongs on the fly
@@girlbuu9403 Yeah, if this game ever gets some kind of remake I'd love an on-the-fly switch..
@@Weaver_Games OR....
Just have all the Kongs roam together..
When in need to play as a specific Kong, once press of a button and the desired Kong that you are closest too, you will then take control of.
As for Kong specific areas, only that Kong will enter as the others stay behind until you regroup with them! 😊
This game got done so dirty. It's totally a victim of mob mentality. Folks thoughtlessly complaining about the game as though they're all hardcore completionists who always 100% all of their games. It's just a fun, good, game. It's not a freaking project. Honestly, the amount of dogpiling this game has gone through reminds me of back in the day when UA-camrs realized they couldn't keep making videos about how bad Sonic 06 was, so they switched to retroactively hating every Sonic game ever and peeps just kinda agreed with them without really thinking.
I 100% all of my games, even this game, I've done it twice. I can confirm the game sucks ass. Sorry bro
@@Topgun5t It does suck ass to 100% complete. That's why, if you wanna just enjoy the game, don't do that. Imagine thinking Dark Souls sucked ass cuz you put some self-imposed challenge to only use the broken straight sword.
while DK64 did have some issue, overall I will say I enjoyed it. Dk64 is not nearly as bad as jet force gemini (another of rares Collectathons) that of which you did need to near 100% complete to beat
Nooooope.
This game has some decent stuff in it and can be fun at times, but the needless backtracking with every character is incredibly annoying. Also the controls can be pretty clumsy at times.
Not the worst game ever made, but it is rightly lambasted even us maybe people go overboard at times.
@@Topgun5t No need to apologize. You didn’t really say anything besides your opinion. That’s your business.
What a lot of people fail to remember is this game was released at a time where most people didn’t have many games. You could sink dozens if hours into this, and while there are some VERY frustrating parts, you don’t have to complete them. I completed the game for the first time with just enough bananas to get into hideout helm. For a kid, a game this bit was mind blowing, and it’s still impressive today. Maybe we just shouldn’t be trying to speedrun to 101% completion.
What a weak defense.
"You don't have to complete them"
Clearly you didn't beat the game at all. *Try again next time.*
@EddieSpaghetti69 "Why are there so many Korok Seeds only to give me a golden turd as a reward?"
Because collecting all of them was never the point. The point was for you to encounter enough of them to get everything you needed from them. Once you had fully expanded your inventory, there's nothing else that the Korok Seeds are used for. Get the rest of them if you want, but it's not productive.
Same idea here. Not every colored banana, golden banana, or banana coin is necessary to get all you need from the game. They're overstocked on purpose to make it so you don't /have/ to get everything to beat the game.
@@MarioMonte13 I've already answered this a dozen times. I'm fine with the *number and required ratio of collectibles* what I have hatred for is the minigame collection which is required to complete the game; specifically the Jetpack and Classic DK coins.
I'd be fine if it *wasn't required* to beat the game; but the minigames felt like *mario party one* and many of those *never* returned.
That's what I mean when I mention many people "didn't beat the game" because *I would bet they did not.*
The biggest complaint I hear is "too many collectibles"
My brother in Christ you don't even need all of them to beat the game
Remember: Even the worst part of this game beats just about every recent AAA title released.
DK64 is over-hated, but I would rather be punched in the balls than have to beat the max difficulty version of Beaver Bother again
@@smokyprogg What would you prefer?
Play through the hardest Beaver Bother or play through Star Wars outlaws?
@@donteros at least Beaver Bother lasts for 60 seconds lol
@@NL-X The beaver's AI also holds up pretty well. You could implement it in outlaw and notice no difference
I wouldn't go that far lmao. I rather play unpatched PS4 Cyberpunk than having to deal with Beaver Bother.
I'm so glad a lot of recent videos about DK64 are finally defending it. I've always loved this game ever since I got it for Christmas in 1999. I've also always thought the statement that this "killed 3d platformers" was so stupid when Rare literally released 2 more 3D platformers on the n64 after this and in the next generation of consoles you couldn't walk two steps without seeing a 3d platformer with the only thing that changed was there were less collectables and the only reason for that is because DK 64 had 5 fully playable characters that weren't restricted to a small section of the game.
Yeah the statement that dk64 killed collectons is objectively wrong. Dozens came out after it, some of which where great games too. Like any trend it got over saturated and people got bored of it.
DK64 didn't kill 3D platformers, fucking Blinx the Cat did.
If it killed 3D platofrmers then how did these games still get made?
Banjo-Tooie (2000)
Spyro 3: Year of The Dragon (2000)
Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (2001)
Ty The Tasmanian Tiger (2002)
Super Mario Sunshine (2002)
Super Mario Galaxy (2007)
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (2010)
Super Mario Oddysey (2017)
Yooka-Laylee (2017)
A Hat in Time (2017)
Astrobot (2024)
The race with the dung beetle got to be very frustrating he takes three banana coins every time you bump into him Then by accident I missed the speed barrel, jumped past it I happened to push the B button and was able to punch him back! He let out a whimper and bounced then all frustration gone into laughter!
There’s just so much charm, for instance, watching each Kongs idol, animation, or walking very slowly with lanky Kong with his arms up in the air 😂 I love this game. It still has its difficult moments, but after finding my own technique to beat Beaver bother it’s no longer my most hated mini game. Finding the secret ending with the 201 bananas was always the topping on the cake. Still love the game but been harder to find the time to play it. Yeah, I own two Nintendo 64 copies including my original from 1999 and a copy on the Nintendo WiiU.
Its crazy how much easier it is replaying the game as an adult. I remember racing those beetles dozens of times as a kid lol. Now after finally replaying the game after plenty of years, it only took a couple tries to beat them.
I just want a fixed version where you can collect any colour coded items with any kong and if you hit a face or fruit switch it works with any kong but it also swaps you to that kong as well
I wouldnt say fixed. Backtracking and seeing things youll need a tool or character to get through the game is part of its identity.
Same way the first few sonic games encouraged multiple play throughs to learn the levels and gain speed. It was intentional and ok that you couldn't boost through each level the first time you are there.
The only thing that bothered me with DK64 was getting that pesky Nintendo Coin. I completely missed it on my first playthrough, and when I got to the end of Hideout Helm and realized I needed it, I groaned (I thought it was an optional secret item when I read the manual, and I didn't know where it was without a guide!).
But honestly, that's the only time the game really got on my nerves. I enjoyed it, overall. (And yes, Beaver Bother is not well-coded, but i discovered a trick that worked fairly consistently, so it didn't get to me in the end)
Back when I first played DK 64, I never had an issue with the Collectibles. That's what was going into this game for. The only issue I ever had is that in order to complete the game you have to beat original Donkey Kong not just once, but again with a higher difficulty setting. Aside from that, and some of the more annoying minigames, the game was fine. Still would rather play Banjo-Kazooie though.
Still think it was a huge missed opportunity to not make this the N64's answer to Crash Bandicoot. Not only would it have rounded out the lineup but the final product would've felt closer to the masterclass snes trilogy.
I love this game since 25 years!
And i never pretend to dislike it, its so crazy good!
I love it all, the backtracking, the different kongs. My favourite is btw Lanky! He is so goofy and his long arms are so funny. And his voice sample! "Hoppla!" and this ones, when he walk at his hands.
Oh man, such a great time with the game.
I have finished it 2018 finally and collect after it the last colored banana! It was a blue baloon at a waterfall!
The donkey Kong arcade game held me back from beating DK64 as a kid. Only as an adult did I go back and finally beta it. Bruuutal.
As someone who has never player DK64, I was under the impression that everyone loved this game.
Oh no this game is really hated by the community it's got the singular problem of having to switch characters constantly to activate stuff which means you're going through each room up to five times oftentimes less than that it's usually around three
And there's just too many collectibles each world has 100 bananas for each of the five kongs so that's 500 in each world and the problem is is that these bananas can only be collected if you're that correct Monkey so lot of backtracking
then there's 10 golden bananas for each monkey for 50 in each world And unfortunately because there's so many of these the actual act of acquiring the golden bananas is often times repetitive as you'll often times enter a bonus game barrel for one but there's only like 5 or 6 different mini games so they keep getting replayed and quite a few of them are just not good particularly the fly swatting the sled race and the worst one of all the very glitchy beaver hurting where you try to get them into a hole however they don't want to go in the hole it's glitched where they'll just kind of cling to the side nobody has ever figured out a consistent way to get them into the hole every time so a lot of trial and error
Ohh and then of course there's coins for each kong to purchase moves and weapons there's one blueprint for each monkey in each world
And unfortunately the first two worlds cannot be 100 percented on your first time through scents you get the final two monkeys in the third world which means you have to backtrack to those worlds
there's actually a mod for this game that fans created that let's you switch monkeys at any point oh I forgot to mention also that you can only switch monkeys usually at certain designated points but moderates made it so you can just change them at any time which makes the game so much more fun
Nah, it's hated, and for kinda dumb reasons in my opinion. People mainly don't like this game cuz there are too many collectibles, it's a pain to 100% complete. It's almost like listening to news sites all copying each others arguments at this point, totally unaware of a very easy solution to the problem. That solution being. . . just don't 100% the game.
@@psycholuigiman this guy gets it
@@psycholuigiman There's a few flaws in your argument
First stop this game should be compared to if contemporaries which include banjo kazooie its sequel And mario 64 All of these games which are fun to 100 percent
second and the most important flaw in your argument is that it's not the amount of collectibles people have a problem with it's the fact that you constantly have to keep switching characters to get these collectibles
It's fundamentally unsatisfying to have to constantly switch characters for no other reason than to walk the same hallway 3 times because that hallway contains three different colors of bananas or two different colors of bananas and a golden banana for a 3rd
3rd Flaw In your argument is accusing everyone's Response to this game is Making the assumption that everyone's complained through this coffee to you and pasted from each other no they're not they're just all noticing the same flaws
fourth lies in terms of the 100 percenting the game In that it would require either looking up a walkthrough or multiple playthroughs to even know how much you need to grab To beat the game And since people are not going to want to keep running back to worlds to grab more stop it they're short they're going to grab as much as they can on the first run through
And quite frankly collective Dawn games have almost always been most enjoyable at 100% in them it's not like skyrim Or a grand theft auto where 100 percenting a a game is completely optional and expected to be more of a chore to pat out the game the whole point of a collectathon is to collect and if collecting is not fun then why are you playing the game and since collecting is the point of the game it should be fundamentally fun to collect and thus to 100 percent complete
@@yami122 Basically all your points fall apart because, like Skyrim and Grand Theft Auto, getting 100% completion is optional in this game too.
Wanna compare it to its contemporaries? Okay. You don't really have to 100% complete those games either, and in fact, lots of people play them that way and love them all the same. Somehow, DK64 though has this expectation that you'll be 100%ing it, even though that's so far from what you need to do to have fun.
It's irritating to have to travel through the hallways three to five times to get everything. . . so just don't. All that's in those hallways are stray bananas and you don't need them all to get the banana medals. Not to say it's NEVER a problem. As this video so perfectly pointed out that sometimes they have those crappy hallways that require two characters to even get through. Fact is though, those kinds of rooms are kinda uncommon.
There's noticing the same flaws, and then there's having the exact same reaction to those flaws. That's what gives me the impression of folks just parroting what other people have said. Why, one of my best friends once said all the exact same complaints you stated. One problem. This particular friend hardly ever goes for 100% on any platformer game. It's not a genre he's super fond of, so he just plays until it's not fun, or until he beats the game. So why would he care that this game is hard to 100%? Because somebody told him to care about that. Sadly, that's how a lot of people operate, you know. They listen to folks they deem to be of higher standing than them. I can understand speedrunners or true completionist types having their issues. Statistically speaking though, those people are not the majority, so it makes very little sense for their concerns to apply to the general gaming audience.
Lastly, don't wanna use a walkthrough? Okay, just don't use a walkthrough. Don't bother with 100%.
So you see, almost all grievances are easily resolved by simply not playing the game like a tryhard. Relax and have fun with it. Don't treat it like a school project. I get hat it's fun to do that for some games. Nothing gives a dopamine rush quite like seeing a checklist with all the boxes checked off thanks to your efforts. At the end of the day though, not all games are meant for that, like you pointed out. If you were playing Skyrim and hated the game cuz it's a pain to complete 100%, everybody would say that's on you. I'm just saying to extend that same courtesy to other games, even when out first instinct tells us not to extend that courtesy.
Finally, someone who has more than half a brain cell. I played the game only a few years back, and I still enjoy it. I never had issues with the length and backtracking. Even if the minigames can be frustrating, compared to Banjo Kazooie, it has way less moments that made me feel cheated and punished unreasonably. And unlike that game, you don't need to 100% this game just to win. So you know, there are opitions.
It's always great to see people praise this as this was honestly one of my favorite N64 games. My only gripes are that, well, on top of some of the minigames feeling impossible, if they ever remake/remaster this game, I really hope they get rid of the coin challenge. Having to complete arcade DK on hard to access the final boss is the reason I never completed it.
there are only about two minigames that are real close to being impossible. one is because of an oversight of sorts that Cybershell did a video on and one of them is just badly made in general.
I think dk64 is an interesting case study for how far the “polish” of a game can carry mediocre gameplay. Working through something like my 7th 100% run of the game this summer, and I can honestly say I’ve enjoyed every minute I’ve spent with this game over the years. The task of collecting things is tedious, but for me this is weirdly a part of the appeal. I don’t have to expend brain power on complex puzzles or combat, leaving more of my awareness dedicated to just enjoying the immaculate sound design, music, lighting, and vibes that the game has to offer.
I think I’m in the minority, but the Nintendo Coin was super easy for me. There was an old card shop I played Pokemon at and they had a Donkey Kong cabinet in the back with the coin button open so you could have infinite continues, and I think I got good at Donkey Kong lol.
This is one of the games I grew up with, and I agree. People tend to crap on this game, but I think most people agree that it's OK, at least. People tend to give it the "It has too many collectibles!" complaint, or "It's too long!" or whatever, but it is neither of those. And yes, I originally played it on actual hardware (Though I have played it on emulator as well, no savestates either), and I think it's a good time. The one thing I'll complain about is the original DK minigame, but that's basically the only bad thing. It's overall a good game. Oh yeah, fun fact, this game was released around the time I was born.
I think you would love the randomizer of this game. Kongs and moves can be shuffled in with golden bananas and various other collectibles.
Though that means there's a chance that a Kong or important move could be locked behind a Beaver Bother barrel or the Donkey Kong arcade game depending on your settings. :p
I didnt think anyone held their N64 controller like that, it feels so wrong 😂
totally agree. I love to grow up with that game aswell. I played it with my siblings. It was great.
I enjoyed this game because it reminded me of Mario 64, however it offered a change of scenery based on character (In this case, DK) and there were also some new character mechanics not seen in other games similar to it. It was fun and kind of reminded me of Super Mario 64 & Banjo/Kazooie clashing into one.
Im glad to see a lot of love pouring out for this game lately. They deserve it
I got stuck in the same spot when I was a kid! Never finished the game because of the two Nintendo coins
My main problem with this game besides how janky it is sometimes and how repetitive it gets it's precisely that. They tried to do too much at the expense of the quality.
Banjo Tooie instead did the opposite and it's a far better game with each Jiggy feeling far more unique and fun, with better bosses and harder overall.
DK64 has 5 characters, first problem. Instead of that they should've gone for only 2, DK and Diddy (maybe 3 with Dixie, but I hate Dixie was replaced with Tiny). That gives each Kong 5 golden bananas per world, and allow the game to have far better quality.
With that said, each Kong should have had a mine cart adventure, a barrel blast adventure and a mini boss adventure in every world, to make the game have more traditional DK stuff.
Then the bosses could've been turned between DK and Diddy to end with the final boss having phases chaning along those 2 as well.
This also would allow DK to be the MAIN CHARACTER as he is supposed to be but the game fails so miserably to do. He has the worst moveset, the worst bananas, he is literally the tutorial character. DK should have the super punch attack! not Chunky! He should be the one to become huge!! not Chunky! (I think I made my point)
The game should have focused on the quality of the stuff over the quantity and would've been far better.
That said... it's a 6/10 for me because it's part of my childhood and I love the music
fr, you don't need to 101% the game in order to beat it, I feel like the people who use the "too many collectables" as an argument for why the game is bad either haven't played the game or they're letting the internet sway their opinion. The game is fun, despite some tedious and annoying flaws, that doesn't mean that the game as whole is bad 🙄
I grew up with DK 64, and I agree with most of what you said here. I still consider it my favorite Donkey Kong game.
Dk64 is fucking amazing
You use the kongs you get guns
Its fun
DK64 for me also holds a strong sentimental value and holds a lot of nostalgia as the first console game I ever played. for me, it was a game which helped me open my eyes to the possibilities of gaming and acted as a means of escape from less than ideal situations from my early childhood, something that wasn’t all that great. What I remember most was the hours I’d spend getting lost in DK64’s worlds and taking it all in, being fascinated of the places the game took me. I will be the first one to admit and acknowledge that DK64 hasn’t aged the most gracefully, and as you alluded to, there are some mini games which would prompt a controller being thrown. But that to me doesn’t detract from the overall experience and simply made me realize those particular golden bananas weren’t worth it. I played it again some years back, in my high school/early college days, and as I did, I was taken back, back to that time of my early childhood, experiencing the game and all its worlds again and that escape, and even in knowing how it didn’t age with grace, I walked away feeling like I genuinely had fun. The only thing I find frustrating these days is that this game is not on NSO still, and that bothers me to no end Nintendo for some reason continues to hold it back, even as three years have passed since the expansion pack tier debuted and brought N64 titles. I truly wish Nintendo would get a grip and just drop DK64 already, it’s a gem imo and I’d recommend anyone to at least give it a try.
I love dk64. i still have my banana cart!
I think replaying this game nowadays is a lot better with mods like the dpad tag barrel one. It makes the game 10 times less frustrating!
I honestly am just waiting at this point for a multiplayer mod to one day come out for it, if mario 64 has it this awesome title will have it someday!
I've always loved this game. It's flawed, buggy, irritating, and long, and I loved every second of playing it. I was so happy when the Wii U had it on Virtual Console, that was the first VC game I bought. I'm so glad I still have my Wii U so I can keep playing it forever and ever.
I loved this game I've beaten 101% several times over the years, ugh Beaver Bother made me rage quit so many times I hated that mini game lol
I pretty much entirely enjoy this game, even getting 100%. The segmentation is the only bog down, and the very few mini-games that are frustrating (Beaver Bother in part because it's bugged) don't bother me that much (they did my first playthrough, but subsequent playthroughs they're fine because at least I know they're coming and know what to expect and how to take care of them).
Saw the thumbnail and immediately clicked. DK64 is my favorite collectathon ever. No ifs ands or buts.
Yeah some of the bonus barrel mini games are about as fun as shoving shards of glass in your eyes and at some point the controls are frustrating due to weird camera angels.
But the main gameplay loop is amazing. Adventuring through creative and lively worlds searching through every nook and cranny to find every possible secret all while planning ahead which kong you should explore with first and when you should switch.
And don’t even get me started on the art-style, atmospheres, music and character personalities. This game oozes with charm unlike anything else.
I’ve always preferred DK64 over Banjo-Kazooie because just the tag barrel selection screen ALONE made the Kongs far more enjoyable to play as and see their reactions.
Based.
I actually LOVED this game. I just can't see why everybody HATES this game. Sure, when it got ported to Wii U, it was done pretty crappily, and was unplayable with the Wii U controllers, but seriously? This game SHOULD eventually make it to the Switch as a part of Nintendo Online. Maybe someday. Also, I hope Banjo-Tooie makes it there too. Hopefully it might be too much to ask, but sometimes we get lucky and get an old game we loved years ago on a modern console - stranger things have happened.
I would consider Dk 64 to be one of my first games I played out there since the N64 was my first gaming console I ever played. So while yeah, there’s a lot of problems with it, I can’t really hate it either even and still find some fun in it after all these years later. One day I would love to 100% Dk 64, probably because I’m a psychopath, I dunno. But just because something did not age as well as others does not mean there isn’t something there worth loving.
I played and beat it for the first time a couple months ago, on my Wii U. It’s a decent game, there’s fun to be had, but I think the Fun vs Frustrating levels tip to Frustrating. The coolest thing is jumping from high places actually gives you that feeling in your stomach of falling that other games don’t give you. I went from Zelda BOTW to DK64, and tried changing the controls up to play more like BOTW, I think it helped. The worst thing was that Jack in the Box boss, fuck that shit
Idc what anyone says. This game is an easy top 5 of all time for me. Did a lot of the gameplay mechanics make sense from a an accessibility and quality of life standpoint? No. But at the end of the day the way they went about creating this game gave it so much character and charm. This game for me, is an artistic masterpiece of its time. I will always love you DK64
I’ve always loved it and never cared that everyone hated it lol
It’s such a good slow play game to kill time bit by bit
It feels more like Banjo-Kazooie than Donkey Kong Country. That's why I don't like it, plus some levels correspond to the levels from B-K:
Angry Aztec = Gobi's Valley
Fungi Forest = Click Clock Wood
Creepy Castle = Mad Monster Mansion
Also, this game DEFINITELY didn't kill a genre. Literally Halo and GTA3 made people want to play and make more games like that, since those redefined gaming.
You’re not the only one who loves this game I do too
One of my faves! I'm so glad that as time passes more people have come around on it
my brother and I played the shit out of that game when we were little. beating it was a fun challenge.
even as a kid i was not happy with the amount of backtracking, that's the main issue. with 5 different characters all needing to run thru the same areas multiple times each to collect everything it gets annoying.
having to run backwards, change character, run forward collect 10 bananas, run back, change character, run forward on repeat does suck. also the mini-games repeat too mamy times
that being said the good far outweighs the bad in this game.
Would suggest doing as much as you could with each character and move on. Coming back later to sweep each level with each kong. Keeps things a bit fresher and less choppy. You don't need to think about tag barrels too often.
DK64 is fucking fantastic!
"DK64 killed a genre" MFs when they enter a grocery store (they have to buy everything):
Me at checkout with 176 cheetos bags: I’M A COMPLETIONIST.
But it DID kill a genre- considering how terrible of a game it is! DK64 singlehandedly killed off the 3D collect-a-thon platformer genre- which only made a resurgence in recent years thanks to MUCH better games like A Hat In Time, Yooka-Laylee, and ESPECIALLY Super Mario Odyssey- which is one of the greatest games ever made!
@@BigAlvideos101 Yooka-Laylee was pookalaylee.
@@BigAlvideos101 To sum up: “Yuh-huh, it WAS bad because it was terrible. Also, Yooka-Laylee was good because reasons.” Look, it’s fine if you don’t like it. If you’re going to blame the decline of a genre on it, you have to try to make some kind of actual point about it.
@@BigAlvideos101it killed the gente so hard we were still getting collect-a-thons two generations later
DK64 got high review scores and very positive perception back in its time and is mostly hated only in retrospect. I don't see how a game that was loved at the time could have caused the death of its genre.
Cost Because of a game breaking glitch rare was forced to pack in expansion packs With every copy of the game which costs them a fortune
Though I think the idea that this killed that genre is fundamentally false I don't think it did I think it just happened to be one of the tail end games of a genre that started to become obsolete as technology improved and created superior formats such as shooters both first person and third person
collective funds were basically made because game creators couldn't think of good ways to make 3D worlds compelling without using the idea of collecting items as the core of the gameplay
What was superior hardware from the next generation More complex and larger games were able to be built that no longer required collection Of trinkets
@@yami122The game breaking bug theory has been proven false.
Apparently, it was due to the game's lighting effects just needing an extra 4mb of memory for the system to process them (which given how dynamic it is, makes this idea a lot more plausible).
But ,the game definitely wasn't the 'killer of collectithons' people assume it was; there were still quite a few games of the type selling rather well into the 2000's. It was just the natural evolution of 3D generating more ideas and possibilities
@@Dead_Metal Fun fact. The current proved theory is, that on first entry of a level, all "dynamic" lights will baked in this extra 4mb. So it will be explained, how its possible, that this game has so many lights sometime at constant framerate
Donkey Konga and Viva Pinata and Microsoft. Tell your friends.
Nobody said it caused the death of its genre except a dishonest person working at Polygon trying to soup up the article and make it sound more sensational. Check for any quote of anything like that from the guy he was interviewing. He actually even complimented DK64 and said he didn't want to put the blame on it, just that the outcome of it was people felt collectathons were labourious.
All anyone I've ever heard in real life say about this game is how great it was. When I first heard about all the hate I was like "what? Who hates this game?" I admit I see the flaws, I get the criticism but I don't care it's still one of my favorites.
I think it's those people who obsess over 100% completion who don't like this game. As kids we would just skip what we couldn't beat and get as far as we could. I feel like adults (or teens) who played this game for the first time focused too much on getting everything.
Also for some reason I've found people hate that they have to beat Donkey Kong in one life. To me if you can't beat the og Donkey Kong in one try you shouldn't expect to beat any of its sequels.
Yeah I had never heard anyone hate it until UA-camrs that last few years. Think it’s probably bandwagon followers. I’ve only know a handful of people who have actually played dk64 but they all loved it.
Personally Ive never found getting 100% that bad, and I don’t understand the constant complaints about backtracking I see these days. When is it back tracking vs deliberately game design? Metroidvainas never get grief about it. it is a core design of Dk64, going back to areas with new kongs or abilities to unlock more stuff.
There are a lot worse games for getting 100% than it as well. Original windwaker is one example off the top of my head. I did it, but it’s the only Zelda game I beat once, because it was annoying to complete everything.
My only real complaint about dk64 is some of the mini games get repetitive, and some of the lanky races are hard to do on modern tvs.
Same with Banjo tooie This is an amazing game (especially Grunty industries)
its a good example of real people and terminally online people.
@AnAverageGoblin probably the same people who hear Ocarina Of Time is "overrated" and form an opinion without playing it.
Still love DK64 and play it basically yearly. The only thing I dread about going back to it is having to do Beaver Bother.
literally the worst part about the game in my opinion
That and the freaking beetle race (especially the second one in the ice caves level). That laugh when you lose is rage-inducing.
@@AngelicSight Yeah, this is really the only bad thing in this game. And maybe Arcade Part 2 :D
But else? pure joy!
It’s just mob mentality. Similarly to Doom 3 , it was loved until a UA-camr made a video crapping on it and impressionable people took up pitchforks and started hating on it then it spreads like wildfire
I still didn't like Doom 3. It was too dark and just made me go back to playing Ultimate Doom and Doom II.
I love Doom 3, but you're kidding yourself if you think what you said is true. Doom 3 has been a highly divisive game since its release 20 years ago. The hate for Doom 3 pre-dates UA-cam itself.
Nah man was divisive when it came out. Games not bad but it was aping off other fps at the time instead of being a fast paced doom game
@@DraphEnjoyerYeah but it was fast compared to shooters like COD
I don't know about that, I came to the conclusion that DK64 was flawed on my own, I've gotten more critical over the years. I like a lot of aspects of the game, but I would never call it the definitive Donkey Kong game.
I still want a new 3D Donkey Kong game, I just don't want it to be a repeat of DK64.
I'm 29 and didn't beat this game until 2022. 101%ed and collected every possible small banana/coin.
It's now my favorite N64 game. It's peak
@@SlothSG Same story with me for 2018 :D
What was ur last little banana?
My was the blue balloon under the water fall in crystal caves!
Because the render distance is really evil for it, u see it not good at points where u can shoot it down! :D
@@buckubel I made a spreadsheet and went stage by stage, so last was somewhere in Creepy Castle. I got all the achievements for the game on Retroachievements. Game had damagless achievements for every boss. Krool was ROUGH
@@SlothSG
my pre-last banana was a five-pack for diddy in this grave in a casket, which u have break up, and i never knew it! :D
oh cool, i played it on a physical n64 so i had no archievment :D
but some bosses without a hit are surely very difficult
As a kid, i had a great problem with the first boss, so my siblings helped me. But the second and fourth boss was no problem so i can play until world 6 complete alonrle :D
and yeah the box fight without a hit... phew... i almost cant beaten him with full melons :D but my biggest problem there is the last punch, i cant memorize the rhythm
@@buckubel I should go back and best my OG cart since I've only done it on Emu. Maybe one day.
I think the hardest no hit ones for me were Puftoss and Krool
I remember never finding out what exactly i needed, and therefore never even experienced the K Rool Boss Fight
I'd have liked the game more as a kid if I didn't have to beat Arcade Donkey Kong and Jetpack. They kicked my ass.
Jetpack wasn’t too bad, but that arcade coin was ridiculous. That game was the last Golden banana that I found 😆. I literally 101%ed the game as soon as I beat it for the first time😆
Not a single lie in this video.
DK64 was not made at a time where players (outside of a very tiny minority) were expected to 100% a game. There are a million things to do in the game because it gives you an abundance of choice. As a game primarily for kids that is GOOD.
There is one lie in this video: It claims that the Beetle races aren't cool.
problem is 50% of the game are copy paste of the same things over and over. And yeah I am talking about those mini games
True but thing is is that new players aren't going to know That they don't need to 100 percent the game And its contemporaries of the time had top people that it's a good thing to seek 100 percent
Banjo Kazooie in particular Required almost all of its puzzle pieces and notes To really beat the game Sure the hardest door and puzzle to complete are technically optional but you need that double health to beat the boss unless you have God like skills
you can miss two Jigsaw pieces and about 20 or 40 notes
And because of that most people are going to automatically assume that there's a similar reason to collect the things in Bandra Kazooie
And Collectathons Tend to be fundamentally different than most other game genres in that 100 percenting collection this makes more sense because the games are about collecting things so people are going to want to collect all the things because that's all of the game play
@yami122 Hard disagree that new players don't know that they won't likely get 100%. As someone who remembers when DK64 came out, no one EVER assumed that getting 100% was necessary to win. Mario 64 didn't require 100% stars to win. And the game itself makes it very clear immediately you never need 100% anything to progress the game.
@@davidandersson7642 since collection is the fundamental core of any collection any collective thong In which the fundamental act of collecting things is so unfun that players are aiming for the minimum needed to beat the game that's a problem
How to fix the biggest problems of the game. Allow the tag barrels to warp to one another, most areas with warp pads had a tag barrel near them already. Allow players to change Kongs without the tag barrel. Increase the number of mini games, there are way too many repeats. Most of the enemies are kind of pointless and lack variety. There also needed to be something more for each character, i feel more areas should've centered around a specific Kong, Kreepy Kastle is the level that does that the best
The Nintendo coin also prevented me from beating the game as a kid.
and make DK the actual MAIN CHARACTER, since he is only a tutorial with all the easiest stuff. He is not even the one that defeats K Rool
I love the idea of the tag barrel warp, although it could be a lot since there are so many of them. I've never understood why the tag barrels are a problem though. I recently rebeat the game after hearing all the negative comments, and it didn't feel bad at all. There are tag barrels everywhere, and in the main areas with multiple golden bananas for the kongs, there is usually a tag barrel right in the center of the action. Do you remember which areas/bananas were the worst for you when it comes to switching kongs?
@@PrinceDman the warps would be relegated to each map, obviously, to cut down on the massive list that are in the game. And it's less about the tag barrel being nearby and more I have to constantly keep running back and forth to it especially if there's multiple items for different kongs. The most egregious level would be the water level, which is broken up into mainly 2 areas. The light house and the sunken ship, both areas are extremely large in size with few tag barrels so you're constantly running to and from the tag barrels. Every level has at least one of these areas except for the castle which is the only level to have a layout that doesn't constantly have you running back and forth repeatedly
@@osets2117 Yeah, I was assuming so, but still could be a lot (some levels have like 20+ tag barrels). Possibly unlock warp teleporting after beating the level's boss? That way you could at least dematerialize the Troff n Scoff areas resulting in less tag barrels (or just as a fun reward).
Agreed, the water level just feels atrocious to play lol. Assuming you are using the correct Kong, navigating the level still isn't satisfying.
@@PrinceDman you could also reduce the number of tag barrels as well since you'd no longer use them to swap characters
I picked this game up in the 2020s for the first time and I actually enjoyed it. I came in with no nostalgia for Rare and tried this, Diddy Kong Racing, and Banjo. I preferred DK64 to Banjo, which is sacriledge to say online.
DK64 gets absurdly overshadowed by banjo kazooie
While I like BK more thank DK64, I love both so much.
As someone who grew with Donkey Kong 64, yeah
DK64 is Banjo Threeie. :)
DK64 > Mario64
You know, flawed as DK64 may be, it is absolutely superior to Mario 64, and no one can convince me otherwise.
@@justanothergamer9570
I think Banjo-Kazooie is better than Mario 64 while DK64 is more of a knockoff of B-K
@@Birthnote What about the game is a knockoff? Just recently beat DK64 and didn't get any Banjo vibes. B-K seems more similar to Mario 64 imo.
Always. 🔥🍌
@@Birthnote I played DK64 first as a kid so I always felt BK was a rip off of DK64. DK64 is like BK on crack more characters, bigger levels, even more collectibles.
I've been playing DK64 and I've loved it for a long time. As a programmer, I want to eventually create a spiritual successor with different characters (e.g. a hedgehog knight and badger thief). The low points of the game were definitely a problem for almost everyone, and I hope to fix them with my spiritual successor.
As a fellow programmer (well future programmer in 2nd year of school now) and a dk64 fan I wish you the best of luck! I’d play your game based on the description.
I think the only word of advice I'd have is to not have as many characters. Or find a more creative solution than simply swapping characters on the fly (I feel the inevitable follow-up to that is to just give all of those abilities to one character). But I lean the former since DK64's issues likely wouldn't have been so severe if there weren't so many characters all of the collectibles were split across. It probably could've gotten away with three.
Or have five characters but don't make them exclusive to ONE character (i.e. allow Diddy OR Tiny to grab certain golden bananas). Or......... well, anyway. lol
I LOVE that you added your siblings playing DK64! It brought me back to the early 2000s, pre-internet days, when I played with family. We took turns passing off the controller trying to discover more collectibles and completing the toughest of challenges together!
Awesome video! I love that this game is getting more and more praise! I'll be releasing a Donkey Kong December series this Dec, all on DK64. If anyone has love for this game, this series is for you! :)
same, that is basically how we played too. Passing the controller off to eachother was fun
What Rare didn't realize was adding an absurd amount of collectibles actually made this game wonderful as a randomizer mod. Now that you've beaten this game, go play the randomizer. Seriously it never gets old now, even when all that happens is the items and upgrades get shuffled. it's cool to see how much in the late game levels you can still get even without basic early game abilities. And ice traps too lol.
I used to think this game was a cherished classic right alongside Mario 64, Banjo, and Ocarina of Time. I was genuinely shocked when I watched my first negative review of DK64 around 2010. And it seems the rest of the decade nobody had anything nice to say about the game. I’m glad that there are still plenty of folks who still adore the game.
Absolutely love this game, so much that I legit just busted out the n64 to play tonight haha, it’s been so long and it appears I had a file with 188 bananas, so close. But ima start over for the fun
I don't understand why people think DK64 is bad. I was under the impression it was as well-liked as Ocarina of Time.
People think it's bad because they actually played it. I did. I think it was shit. I never completed it. Too much. Which is saying something for a 10 year old.
Ended up trading it and keeping the memory upgrade for Majora's Mask and Perfect Dark. Actually good games.
It is widely regarded as one of the worst N64 games ever. Basically the opposite of the OOT legacy. It killed platformer collection games.
@@darkhobo Dude, I played it too and reached the opposite conclusion. I think it's great. The music is fitting, the level design is competent, it pushed the limits of the N64 (as most RARE games did), and it gives you a lot of content to keep you entertained for hours.
I don't understand this "It killed a genre" argument. Super Mario Sunshine was also a platform collector and it came out three years later. The Rachet & Clank series has platform collecting mechanics and it does well. It looks more like platform collecting mechanics are still around and that DEDICATED platform collecting games simply fell out of fashion around the turn of the millennium.
@@darkhobo "Too much" is understandable but keep in mind that it's a collectathon game, it was a very popular genre back in the day.
I've never heard of DK64 being "Widely regarded as one of the worst N64 games ever". When I look up DK64's rating on google, the ratings are pretty high across multiple websites (IMBD, NintendoLife, IGN, Metacritic, Google's own rating, etc).
Where the source of your claim and how far did you get in the game?
Never understood the hate this game gets the last 10 years.. (which is btw a trend for older games nowadays... And the hate is new because I can still vividly remember when it released back in 99 that its was beloved by almost everyone)
Its a great game that I love(d) very much and its still a blast to play.
And yes I 100% it back then..
All bananas, the full 101% completion.. Even al coins and coloured bananas.. And unlocked the secret casting movie at the end..
Do NOT skip this because its a trend to "hate" it.
If you love the old school 3d collectathons like Banjo Kazooie and Super Mario 64 and really miss those..
*play this game* !
I 101% the game. It took my 10 year old self like 100 hours of gameplay on that save file but I did it.
Ah this game was such a trip in the blast. Playing with my lil bro on 64, this game showed me the light of who is Donkey Kong. And even as an adult I still have a soft spot for this game even with 100%ing it, I had fun with it even if certain parts of it were pretty infuriating (cough cough creepy castle’s beaver bother barrels). Giving me a range of emotions throughout with hilarious laughs, raging anger, and gratifying satisfaction. It’s a game you wouldn’t find like in the modern age whether you taken as a bad or a good thing. Just can’t help but groove with the DK crew😎 with Lanky being absolute favorite. Really wish they release this and update some parts about it or bring to nso.
Growing up in the 90s everyone absolutely loved this game
The strong dislike people seem to have for this game has always absolutely baffled me. Especially given how Mario 64 and Banjo-Kazooie seem to have the complete opposite reputation. Personally, this is easily my favorite of the 3 big N64 collectathon platformers. Aside from Beaver Bother being a buggy sack of dicks, my only real complaint going back to it is that it was maybe a little too ambitious with it's visuals. It seems to have even more framerate issues than most other N64 games, which are already pretty inconsistent most of the time. Maybe playing on an emulator could fix that, but I personally prefer playing on original hardware whenever I can.
Also, it's interesting that you listed Chunky as a favorite. He was always my and my siblings least favorite to play as. Every time I play the game I spend as much time playing as Lanky as I can get away with.
Also also, just throwing this out there while I'm at it: Donkey Kong Country 3 is another game that I think is severely over hated. It also kind of parallels DK 64 in the sense that the current consensus of the game seems to be that it killed the 2D collectathon platformer, which I think is just as ridiculous of a claim. And I don't even have any nostalgia bias for that game.
I’ll be that guy
DK 64 > Banjo-Kazooie
Finally, an enlightened opinion from a high intelligence individual - much like myself.
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There were so many collectables and other things to do, because modern gamers forget… DLC AND ONLINE GAMING WASN’T A THING YET… you couldn’t add more to it later, or patch issues. It had to be a fully functioning, ready to go product right out the gate… It also had to entertain people for a long time to stay relevant. If it was over too quickly, nobody would play it
Who doesn't like DK64? It's a delight. All my friends remember it fondly. The only way I can think of why someone wouldn't like it is because it has too many collectables and if you're trying 100% it I could see it being frustrating. But I advise you don't do that and just casually play it getting what you can.
As someone who recently replayed dk64 specifically to get 101%, it def starts to drag on, but i literally have never had a more satisfying feeling than slowly watching that % climb lol
the only people who don't watch certain channels I won't name and take their word as law. or dumbass kids who aren't supposed to be on youtube. difference doesn't matter they're the same type of stupid in the end.
Creed truly is a great band!
It always makes me a bit sad when people cant distinguish between "i love it" and "its good/great."
Those two things are not related and dont influence each other. You can love total shit and you can hate great products. Objectively speaking, DK64 is massively flawed but still has strong points and its a pretty decent game, especially for its time.
Its not the piece of trash it is made out to be. Absolutely not. Its a decent game. But no matter how much people love it, it will never be a GREAT GAME. Its just not.
absolutely
Being messy and being a good game don't have to be mutually exclusive. Banjo Tooie also fell into the same conversation.
Many of the problems in DK 64 is a skill issue tbh
The DK arcade game is not THAT difficult...
It definitely is if you haven't done it before. Now that I've done it 100+ times, I do enjoy it though lol.
That's because the N64 joystick lets us play in Billy Mitchell mode.
I’m glad more and more people are giving this game the respect it deserves.
Even though you said you’ve always loved it yourself, I’m glad you didn’t hide it in any longer.
I don’t care how many people crap on this game. This will always be one of my favorites of all time. As you said in the video, nostalgia definitely plays a big part in this. Although I still think the game is pretty good to this day. Five playable characters, tons of items to collect, amazing music, fun gameplay, etc. I could go on and on why I love this game, but you already summed up everything in the video perfectly.
The fact that Banjo Kazooie doesn't keep a tab of your collected collectables is, in my opinion, more poorly aged than DK64 that at least does that much.
I find DK64, more than any other game I've played, is a game that needs to be played with the right mindset.
The temptation is to view every collectable as an objective that needs to be completed, and I think this is how most of the people who complain about the game having "too much stuff" are approaching it.
However, I've found that the way to enjoy it is to take a much more laidback approach. Explore the areas, and let finding collectables almost be incidental. Just look around and see what you find!
I absolutely SLAYED with Lanky Kong
thats the thing Mr Fleck i never pretended it wasn't its the hill i choose to die on i always loved this game and always viewed those who say otherwise as NPC's who can't think for themselves and let youtubers tell them what to think
It’s a okay video game. Not great, especially by modern standards, but if you’re nostalgic and enjoyed it as a kid it’s good to pass the time.
DK64 is King of the Overhated Games, it gets a very bad rep when it doesnt deserve it. Rare popped off to give us the Ultimate 3D Donkey Kong and got told that it's "too much". like seriously, how is THAT a complaint?? back in the day for $50 you got ALL that content and people want to label it as "too much"? i wish more games had this "issue", if such is the case. i completed DK64 without a guide and i felt satisfied by the time i finished, not saying that the game is perfect, but damn.
The problem with this "wonderful" generation is that when one person says something is bad about something (rather it be a movie, TV show, or a video game), someone else is dumb enough to believe them and then everyone else does the same thing. It's very toxic and unhealthy and I'm so goddamn sick of it! People are too lazy to have their own opinion, anymore and have to rely on the stupid "word of mouth" trick that we are dumb enough to fall for, every fucking time! It's like it's the oldest trick in the goddamn book!
6:54 you using save states makes me think your gamer card should be revoked, sir. Completing the arcade machine challenge made me grow chest hair and a full mustache by the age of 10
I do think the exclusive collectibles per Kong was annoying as their placement was lazy and often overlapped the same areas forcing you to retrace every area of EVERY level with each Kong. It was a tedious grind.
But I still love this game. Each Kong feels great to control.
Collectathons, the need to switch characters, the goofy music...I hated DK64 because it was such a huge departure from the last 3 games. I just wanted to roll around spooky jungles and such as i roll and jump onto bad guys. But it felt like "Banjo Two point fiveie"
And thanks to the mob mentality, all we get of Donkey Kong as of late is the same overused 2D schlock. Over. And over. And over again.
We’ll never get another 3DK again. Thanks, ya damn nostalgia simps. Y’all ruined everything.
Donkey Kong 64 was my original favorite game. I still love it to this day. it is a classic. I guess I get the hate, but it will always be special to me.
People underestimate that during the time in your life when you are developing your personality, any media you like is going to be a masterpiece to you because of how it influences your subjectivity. People who experience it outside of that context will never get it.
Its not a problem with the thing itself. There is no objective good or bad with these things.
Honesty its a fun game overall , yeah 100% is tedious, but not the worst grind , hell id argue mario sunshine gets way more tedious with its 100% completion. DK 64 isnt the worst case in general of to many collectibles , but ya dont need all of em to finish the game .
It's like Christmas every time I see a video like this in my recommendations, watching someone with more then half a braincell talk about this game warms my heart like nothing else. your video was good, some hiccups but I still approve. some day I'll make my own version of this video that's ten times as long and twenty times more aggressive but for now I'm happy, Keep fighting the good fight, soldier.
I love this game what do you mean people don’t like it ??!!!!! I recently played it again and was like “ holy sh*t this game is still fun.”
I always have and always will love Donkey Kong 64. It's not perfect but even my top favorite games of all time have flaws. No game is perfect and for what it is I LOVE Donkey Kong 64 and always will.
I'm also in the "The game is good but people remembered it as bad" Crowd. Sure the game has a ton of pacing issues, but it's not like every video game doesn't have theirs sometimes.
I absolutely love this game. I remember my dad, and I did a math problem with each kong and their bananas. we also fogured with each color banana comes a different flavor too.
I specifically got into videogames much harder because I 100% cleared Kingdom Hearts and found that to be a very rewarding and intentional experience. I still know so much about KH1 and I absolutely fall in love with the game over and over every time I play it. Not all games are worth it to 100% that is true but that being said there're games that do lean into you playing the whole content much more naturally than other games. Like saying you'd hate the game because you play it so much should never be said in full confidence especially if you're trying to convince me this was a good game. Some games are a lot better at letting you 100% the game like Banjo because there aren't a lot of arbitrary decisions split between 5 characters. Katamari Damacy also feels fun to try and 100%. There are many games where I would argue you should 100%. Just a weird biased take to be honest.
Like how can you say that in a post Vampire Survivors industry?
Here me out, it took me from 2000 to like 2006 or 2007 to beat the story. I had no clue about how to get the Nintendo coin. but my older sister at the time was kinda babysitting me. She asked if she could play the DK arcade game within the game. So I went to it and had her beat it a voila. 😮
She then passed the controller back and said that was fun, meanwhile I'm just 😮.