@@Chuckles_the_JesterI was wandering what if that hybrid also have intellingence like human or more intelligent we can't measure/ assume his intelligence in only 15 min of born The main thing is that hybrid could be the bridge understand between humans and xenomorphs
Canon as I understand: The "black goo" was a bioweapon created as a result of a failed attempt to re-create the blood of the first deacon. Rook basically extracted the Alien's base essence which was the "black goo" and transformed it into something else (Z01). It wasn't complete or perfected and failed to enhance humans as intended. Instead it simply mutated them.
I'm fine with there being different versions of aliens & black goo all derived from ancient engineer bioweapon. It's a good explanation for the differences between films, and why David was able to create similar looking creatures from scratch.
I think the most logic version is that xenomorphs were not created by engineers. They are perfect organisms as during reproduction cycle, they inject their mutagen, which is actually black goo, into any other organisms and copy part of their DNA. As a result, xenomorphs would survive at any conditions and with any available hosts. Engineers just found them and used that goo to enhance themself into immortal creatures. Thats why they worship to the first deacon (original form of xenomorph found by engineers), as he grand them immortality. Rook and scientists from Romulus wanted to do exactly the same for humans. Just failed, because were not as smart as engineers or because were killed by xenomorph before they could finish their job.
The Blood of their Lord is taken from the Orange Prometheus Draft which is a Fan Edit..... The Goo is a Mcguffin.... it just does whatever is convenient for the Plot. ORIGINALLY.. at Conception it was a Creative Tool... a Organism that could consume the DNA of a Organism and then have the ability to Pass this onto other Organisms to Create a Hybrid. These originally were Tiny Scarabs. Scarabs consume Engineer and then fly off and we see one inject the Cargo of Engineer DNA into a early Hominid which Evolved into a Human. The next time we saw the Scarabs they are stored in a Urn, which Fifield knocks over.... he gets Bitten and he Mutates into a like Xenomorph of sorts Hybrid. This means these Scarabs had obtained that DNA from a precursor Organism to the Xenomorph. This Organism was Native to LV-426 and it grew on the Walls of a Cave, as Spores... which contain a Octopoid looking Facehuggers. The Holloway Chest Burster is a Octopus type Human Hybrid of sorts. It is able to flatten itself like a Octopus..... Alien Engineers/Genesis which is where this information is from. Indicates that the Engineers use their Creation Tool on a Organism in those Caves to Create a Variety of Organisms.... some looking more like the Neomorph and Mural in Prometheus while others more like the Xenomorph. The GOO is basically what was these Scarabs... the Goo being microscopic Worm like (actually more like the Hydra Cnidaria on Earth related to Jellyfish). But as we moved on they made it more complicated and contradicting and it became Mcguffin.
No jump scares? There were many jump scares and I thought some of them were completely unnecessary and did make it feel cheap at times. I loved the movie overall but in my opinion it could have had way more suspense if they left out some of the jump scares.
For real, there's nothing like everyone just wondering what's going until everything goes silent as we get a big "...WTF IS THAT?!" creature on the screen.
For those who wonder what that means : a non-Newtonian fluid is a fluid that does not follow Newton's law of viscosity meaning it hardens or softens when you interact with it . If you ever seen those shock absorbing gels or the new speed bumps that are made of liquid when under the speed limit and harden if you go to fast on them , its that .
@@maxluthor6800The fact that it's non-Newtonian may be irrelevant to its function in biology. Pulling something random out of my butt, the fact that bile is green is interesting but unimportant to what it does.
I didn't hear Kroft mention this and I haven't seen any comments alluding to it, but I feel this is very relevant to the "black goo" discussion as we know it. Rook straight-up name drops "Plagiarus praepotens" when asking MUTHUR about the Z01 compound. This is directly an invention from the novel "Alien: The Cold Forge" which tells me some of the information in there could be considered hard canon now with this name drop. To those unfamiliar, the novel explains that scientists aboard the Cold Forge station have been experimenting with facehuggers on chimpanzees and discovered that they don't actually deposit an embryo in their hosts. They have a fluid sac filled with a mutagenic pathogen which they named "Plagiarus praepotens." When injected by the facehugger into the host, it essentially breaks down the genetics of the surrounding tissue and rewrites it via combination into what amounts to a "tailor made" tumor, aka a chestburster. The chief researcher of the novel is also secretly trying to adapt the substance into a medical treatment as she suffers from a degenerative physical disease. This kind of aligns with what Rook tells us the intended use of "Z01" is. I also seem to recall that when asked, the author, Alex White, alluded to the concept having ties with the Engineer's black goo as well. So again, I'm taking it tenatively now that this is canon and perhaps this info will help you all in constructing your own fun theories 😁
yeah I have that book..not bad at all as these sort of books go. as someone with a degenerative nerve condition it's always kinda fascinating to read about someone driven to extremes to find a cure or treatment. I think I'd prefer Dr Bashir or Dr Crusher from Star Trek over injections of alien goo but that's just me..
It just had a Big Mamamac like she was a happy meal. "Can we get some 2nd amendment over here please"? That corporate colossal is the poster child for pew pew!
Genuinely, Kroft is the only person online that I'll come looking for in regards to anything to do with the Alien Universe. Kroft thank you so much for taking the time out of your existence on this floating rock to entertain, enlighten, educate and create content that is completely next level. Thanks so much man it means a lot. Hope you are well :)
Really?!? Hahahahahahah well i guess we all have our preferences. But my advice would be to go check out Alien Theory at the VERY LEAST, Like seriously the Bare Minimum.. I have yet to meet the Alien/Predator fan that dislikes Alien Theory’s videos
This new version of the back goo is not so unpredictable and wild as the engineers version. The girl injected a lot of it in herself, if it was the original black goo we would see something really grotesque happening, since only a little drop of it caused severe mutations in Prometheus.
@@MagnumTriumphand therefore create a new lifeform? Supposedly, that moment in Prometheus was the origin of human life…. I think there are multiple versions of the goo, from a xenomorph bioweapon, to the creation of life in the image of the Engineers, and the androids adaptation of the compound to serve it’s programming or acquired “freewill”….
When I saw “the Baby” I immediately thought of the Engineers, and that the compound had mutated the embryo into a more ancient and superior form of human/Engineer. It’s funny, not everyone who saw “the Baby” immediately thought of Engineers, but to me the pale hairless skin and black eyes are unmistakeable.
Yeah I thought it was a full on engineer when I first saw the baby. Then I thought for a sec that's what the Engineers really are, Humans mutated and improved by the black goo, also since the engineers dna is a complete match for humans. That doesn't look like the case but maybe. Maybe humans are an older race than we know, similar to the lore in the Halo games.
The movie seemed to imply to me that the xenomorphs already existed long before and that the engineers revered them for the substance they could extract from them (black goo) with which they could evolve themselves, seed planets, and create bioweapons. This would explain the mural with the xenomorph and facehuggers depicted on it. David was likely just reinventing the species based on the substance. Due to the substance spawning xenomorph like creatures David was just following along. His strain is likely not even the one we encounter in the 1979 movie. The strain in 1979 might just be an experiment gone wrong. With the engineers either recreating the xenomorphs and one getting lose. Or finding eggs from them which they wanted to transport and study. The appearance of the space jockey in Alien could also be because of the engineers modifying themselves. I think the Engineers we find in Prometheus were incredibly ancient. In their more early/mid stages of experimenting with the black goo. This would also explain why the juggernaut looks so different from the derelict, and the engineer so different from the space jockey. In Prometheus the ship looks pretty normal but in Alien the ship looks very biomechanical. So I think the space jockey and derelict show us what eventually became of their black goo experimentation, evolving themselves and possibly growing part of their ships.
The craft and the engineers are the same. There might be some scale differences but Ridley already addressed that and said they're the same. That's the intention at least. Even though I think there is some scale differences. And some minor tech differences. We don't know. There's at least three possibilities. The engineers created the goo. The engineers found the goo. The insurance family go and then manipulated it creating their own version. The deacon could pre-exist IF They found the goo. We don't know. They definitely seem to worship it. I think because they look at it as like the purest formal life. Maybe the original form of life. And the deacon is a natural product of that? Or maybe like in Romulus they found the deacon first and then they extracted the material from their bodies? There's also suggestions now in Romulus that it's a natural occurring type of virus. Pathogen. Maybe they discovered it in that form. Either way they look at it as like they found THE god particle.
@@El_Grande_Jefe For me it's not about the scale differences but the space jockey looking so different from the suits the engineers use. And the juggernaut doesn't look like it's built out of bones in the interior like the derelict was, the artstyle is very different. So the engineers using the black goo to evolve themselves is just my way of explaining away that visual inconsistency.
@@florisvdwetering I think there is some minor stuff too. But it's not on purpose. Ridley might say ... Derelict was exposed to an outdoor harsh environment. Prometheus everything was underground and sealed.
I was thinking, maybe the temple of the deacon was just a cult of engineers that worship that xeno like figure. We cant just assume all Engineers worship that same image.
I rather like the idea that the Space Jockey is not the same species as the Engineers....but rather two distinct worlds where the Space Jockey (Mala'kak) were the master race who created the Engineers to carry out their work.
That's wish fulfillment, we don't that in the Alien franchise. Engineers are meant to be just as bad as other villains, so if they come after David, you bet they'll go after the good guys as well.
Watching all Kroft video on the Alien franchise, and especially on the Engineer lore, made me love and appreciate so much more the 2 prequel movies and the overall alien universe. It's rare and appreciate seeing such dedication, and most of all, sharing all of this in well explained video. Thank you!
In terms of speculation what was happening to Kay, earlier in the film when describing why the ship was named Romulus, a few seconds of screen time is given to Andy staring at a painting of a baby nursing on a corpse. I expect this was foreshadowing as we later see the hybrid essentially feeding on Kay's corpse. The black goo from her chest is likely breast "milk" for the hybrid.
I would really love to see this story line connect to the setting of the original Alien, one way or another. I was desperate to learn there would be no "Alien Covenant sequel" but this movie here brings some new hope (no pun intended) to close the circle.
As in covenant sequel that continues at that point in the timeline? I'm sure they will. Romulus proves to the studio that there IS interest in the franchise in spite of covenant not doing that well.
@@Fourtune1 exactly. Prometeus and especially covenant have been corrupted by idiotic plot. By idiotic plot I mean plot which is not possible without idiots. In both original alien and romulus main characters behaved smarter than characters in prometeus and covenant, while should be opposite situation. In prometeus and covenant all characters should be trained and carefully selected, best of the best, just like astronauts on the Moon missions. But we got bunch of idiots which remove their helmets on new planet. They might be though that they are virus proof because of their idiotism. But no, they are not. This itself ruined both movies for me. While ideas overall were quite interesting and nice.
@@yevhenp9797EVERY negative comment has had an explanation for almost 10 years. U people r like LIBERALS and just keep repeating the BS u hear other people say. #1 how's Romulus different. IF I want to be a negative ass, which ruins movies, I can say same shit. I can give u a dozen examples of stupid behavior. EASY. I just saw in this clip seconds ago one kid put electric shocker into Zeno egg on wall ... Then. .. he stood there with his Face 3 feet away. I can do this all day. People are like sheep, and they Luv to hate. So once that band wagon starts all these people jump on board. Prometheus explained - twins perfect. UA-cam video search it. If you want answer to the dumb questions. The rest of us that are thinking man's sci-fi fans, acquired good critical thinking skills, we loved Prometheus and Covenant. It's all the haters that destroyed the franchise. Bold new ideas that had action and horror and beautiful sets and cast full of wonderful actors was ruined by all the negativity. We can't just keep making movies to keep the dumb down fans happy. We did that for 20 plus years with all the dumb action movies in this series. AVP all these things. They're just dumb action movies. Ridley comes in to stimulate your mind and what do people do they hate on it. And I've seen just as many people complaining STILL about Romulus. And guess what they're saying? Oh it's just all action it's dumb, the characters are dumb and do dumb things. This is got to be a result of the young generations who are full of hate. They hate their country they hate their lives they hate the economy so they hate movies too. Could it kill you it's just spend 10 to $15 and just enjoy it and shut up so they can keep making these movies. They cut the covenant budget in half and he did everything he could to give you xenomorph and action and horror And they still complained. We need ticket sales to keep the franchise going. They need money. They need the people stop review bombing s*** or nobody's going to put hundreds of millions of dollars of the money into something with all this uncertainty. None of these movies are that bad to hate on them that much. You can complain and say I wish they had this or that or why this or happen. If you really are interested you can find the answers to the dumb questions. But just go to the movie and shut up. Go twice. Otherwise they're going to stop making these things. As a sci-fi fan you should support the creators. We want to keep seeing creativity and new ideas. You really think they're going to make five movies in a row of people just being chased by things?? It's like when black films come out. It may not be their favorite but black people go out and support black films. And they keep making them. Otherwise they're going to stop.
One thing I love the most about the Alien series is its cassette-punk setting. How it's simultaneously a futuristic scify view of the human race that is full of spaceships and lazers, yet we still struggle with the limits of our technology. I think that was shown well in this movie.
Fr. I do like the more "modern sci-fi" aesthetic of Prometheus and Covenant, but for something else and *NOT* the alien franchise. Alien is best with the older style of "casette futurism" aesthetic instead of holograms and sleek ships. They can still be super high tech, hell they can even have holographic map tables, but everything else being push-buttons and large blocky objects just fits better. They can still have their curved CRT-style monitors and just make them hi-def too (it is sci-fi after all). Everything in Alien feels practical
7:19 technically speaking it didn’t fail because the purpose of the black good is to create life, the engineer sacrifices himself to drink and in the opening of Prometheus after the dna breaking down it starts regenerating again
Yeah but it’s confirmed long ago that the goo in the beginning of Prometheus is not the same as the one on Lv 223. There’s 2 types, one is to create life after destruction while the other creates life for destruction, or mutates. Honestly this shit is complicated
The goo the engineer on earth drank was the blood of the original deacon, blood that creates life. The “black” goo is a synthetic blood created by the engineers to mimic the pure blood of the original deacon that destroys life.
Kroft, as usual your videos are the best of the Alien explanation channels on UA-cam. Im a huge fan of Prometheus and David and was sad that story wasn’t continuing. When Fede said Ridley watched the film and loved it, it really reignited my hope for David’s story to continue. Watching Romulus, when they showed the black goo and they played notes of the Prometheus theme song, I was so happy. Then, the rat mutation to the hybrid happened and I thought that there is no way the David story is over. I really think Ridley is making Gladiator 2 to bankroll his vision for Aliens to continue.
I don’t get Alien fans…. Prometheus & Covenant really expanded the lore. Maybe not the best.. but that’s what we got. I hope they bring it all full circle in like 5-10 years.
The problem is Covenant left things so vague we now have debates about who created the Xenomorphs David or the Engineers and did David wipe out the Engineers or not. You literally have to reference outside sources and deletes scene to find the answer. Not only that fans were intrigued by the Engineers and wanted more, and that's what we thought we were getting in Covenant. But all we got was a psychotic Weyland Yutani synthetic bent on genocide. Covenant was a convoluted mess and did more harm than good.
Agree. This film started well but become more Disney fan fare with pandering Easter eggs and mashed concepts. Makes the instalments that came before it appear far more solid.
@@unrhu I concur. Covenant felt once removed from the plot points we really wanted to explore. But there was a lot of backlash about not being enough about a xeno origin that production doubled down on that in that particular film. So the moral of the story - stop panicking about what people want to see and just make good movies! Otherwise we end up with more fan fodder and I for one found the grand scale of horror associated with the engineers much more entertaining. Xeno is still an icon. But the horror was always about the unknown. Nothing was surprising about the last the movie - it just ran off old ideas. Now Disney have the hooks in, can’t see it doing much else.
What scares me most is. The fact that, the Black Goo didn't effect Kay into complete mutation , but only selectively her baby. What is also scary is, within minutes it grew just as tall as an engineer , and probably wasn't even fully grown knowing it was only alive for less than half and hour. And what's even SCARIER Is. The beginning of the movie, it shows the Xenomorph can survive in the vacuum of space and create a cocoon to stay alive or have surviving tissue still active. WHATS WORSE IS. The Colony was notified of the incident and there are samples of the re-engineerwd goo on the ship. Create yet another search to complete the mission. WHATS WORSE IS Tyler might have been the true traiter the entire time and working for the company to make sure the samples where escorted off Romulus. (Why would he have a thermal scanner. Specially known the exact model of the rifle, know almost every part of the ship , and single handedly discovered the station and it's estminated demise before entering.
I'm saying this the goo from the xenomorphs is more most pure form of it while the engineers version is a refined version of it. Cause the xenomorphd are more ancient than we thought
What I don't understand is - Weyland Yutani have never seen or experienced a truly positive reaction with the Black Goo, it's mutated or destroyed any and all lifeforms it's mixed or tested with. So I don't know why WY still think that they can use it to their advantage 🤔🤔 The Engineers are potentially thousands/millions of years more advanced than humanity and even they struggled to control it
The other odd thing is that the humans seems to be completely disinterested in the Engineers' ships. Wouldn't they want to disassemble one to see how they work?
This speaks directly to hubris, and the 'god complex' theme of the series. WY cannot admit that they are out of their depth. (Read the end of the original Jurassic Park for more on that.)
I just did, honestly it was very worth it, the movie draws you in. I wanted to see Deadpool more but a friend worked me over for a month to see Romulus with him instead, i accepted and i do not regret. This movie has several tense, loud and chaotic scenes followed by utter silence and you could hear the pin drop, nobody dared to move a muscle - this stood out because i always expect someone whispering, munching on popcorn or even breathing loudly... not with Romulus though.
Saw it in theaters today. Last time I saw a movie in theaters was IT Chapter 2. It was so worth it. Really cool to see it with a crowd, everyone reacting together. I do plan to watch it again on streaming, since most of the characters have a cockney accent that gets hard to understand. But besides that it was really good!
It’s wild how I knew to come to this channel to get the lore because he has been covering it for the longest, I love that we get to piece together everything. And theories, best thing ever. This channel is 10/10
Did this creature literally just eat Kay like a zombie eating a human or did it just consume the black slime from her, effectively sucking the life out of her till she died?
With the brief scene that places emphasis on the goo starting to secrete from her chest as if she was producing breast milk, I believe it’s the 2nd one.
So far you have the best explanation of most UA-camrs out there talking about Romulus. I had to many questions and you answered them. Everyone else just complains or compares and doesn’t explain anything. Thank you!!
A sequel to Alien Romulus must be about Rain and Andy arriving to the planet destination, and then it is actually David's planet and his xenomorph creations!!
@@nightmarefuel3478 If that's so great why do you think that the latest movie had no connection to him? Disney knows that David was divisive so I doubt that they'll make another David movie, which I'm glad for.
@@earthcitizen3939No connections? Did you even watch the movie or this video for that matter? I for one would love to see more of Fassbinder's David with a proper conclusion to that storyline
I assumed Space Jockeys were evolved versions of engineers and it's the reason we they look taller etc than the engineers that David destroys/burns with the Pathogen in Prometheus.
Or, the Engineers tried to substitute themselves for the Space Jockeys, so designed a suit to be able to operate their space travel device/seat. Maybe the Space Jockeys created the Engineers as slaves for them but then left to another galaxy or died out.
I sort of felt like when Andy suggested that the pregnant girl receive the black goo, it seemed a little similar to David tricking Shaw's husband into taking the black goo, given that his directive had changed. It seemed slightly sinister - at least to me. Maybe they were kind of calling back to that scene and building some tension for people who remembered it.
As someone said in Alien 3: "It all goes back." Ripley's bioscan in that film, Ash's studies in Alien, David sent his notes back to the Weyland company. They know all about it.
I hope the engineers come back. Prometheus was actually the first movie I watched from the alien franchise before I watched it in order! I think their fascinating
I hope not, David is done and also I guess that Disney knows that it would be a too big of a risk to make a movie like that. People can have different opinions and that's fine, but I don't want him back.
@@johnnygarcia8627 l don't want the story to be centred around him, it's boring. Covenant was more than enough *yawn*. Obviously we have different opinions about this, but that's OK.
Holy Sh*t guys!!! I just realized. That planet that Andy and Raine are headed to. They don't allow synthetics? That is a strange choice right? We see synthetics deployed everywhere in the alien universe. Walter was even a synthetic that was supposed to travel with the colonists in Covenant. Here's what I'm getting at. What kind of ruler of a world would want only humans to come and not synthetics? Why would someone have such distrust or hatred for the synths? Perhaps someone with a god complex who believes he is the ultimate being / intelligence. That's right... It's David. He HAS to be behind this.
This part of the Film Series may of possibly confirmed a Prometheus Part 2. Because in Alien Covenant we all thought that Prometheus will continue its story all the way till the very end. Because that particular part of the series had a more importance to the franchise & a significant message. A deeper story of the Alien origin universe. It played it Big part in the entire trillogy which was missed in the series. It was only right bringing the Engineers return in the Alien franchise. Everyone was more focused on that 1 particular series 'Prometheus' because the way it left us on a cliff hanger with so many unresolved questions. Mr. Ridley Scott BRING PROMETHEUS PART 2 ONTO THE SCREENS!
Kroft, I wasn’t around to watch your channel when Covenant came out. I became a huge fan of your channel when I stumbled upon the franchise after that film and I increased my own interest in the Alien universe after years of knowing about all the films but never seen them. Now, I’m grateful to have watched your videos and gone to the theater to see Romulus. One of the highlights of my year.
there’s a lot of people complaining about plot holes in the story but to me that just makes the series so much better. the alien universe is absolutely genius-giving you just enough to go off of and follow along with the story but still leave room for own imagination as well as room for twists/turns in future installments of the franchise.
I love David’s character & the engineers they brought so much more interest to the alien franchise . Without it I was just like meh… Now it’s fascinating ! Romulus was good love the connection with the black goo! Hopefully the next film will tie these films up together bringing David back and a few angry engineers in pursuit among many more .. 👌
The black goo can be manipulated to create, transform, or destroy. The goo that seeded earth had a gold color, so I believe it is engineered differently from the xeno goo
They are kind of intertwined. It's like it breaks chunks out of your DNA and encapsulates them to try and create a new lifeform. You kind of mutate because you've now got parts of you missing their code, making you unstable. And little lifeforms all up in you. (That worm thing in that guy's eye after David spiked his drink with a drop) The one that did the terraforming chugged a bigger dose in one go, so they just broke down and their DNA was fragmented down to single cell organisms.
I listen to a lot of breakdowns of this new alien movie, but it was not official for me until I heard Kroft. I heard all his awesome feedback and theories on the older stuff and now a new movie came out. It is really cool to listen to.
Wherever the black goo comes from isn't that relevant I think. As mentioned in my comment to your last vid: my believe is that engineers are able to control it in its pure form, upgrading them from a human race to biomechanical freaks (strong, durable, giant in size, merged with an outside armour, able to survive looong time). ALL usages we saw in every of the last movies (Prometheus, Covenant, Romulus) were UNCONTROLLED usages causing random mutations. David was closest to controlled with his Praeto- or Protomorph. He used an old recipe from the engineers (stated in canon book version of Covenant) but was limited in tools and material. So for me in the end the "perfect organism" aka the Alien is a bio-engineered creature based on alien insects and controlled use of pure black goo serving as a bio-weapon.
I think due Tyler's knowledge about the stations, marines tactics and combats training, and the secret weapons in the lab and how to use them.and their.functions... I think Tyler was either a company Agent or Mercenary. How did he know that Andy was needed to open the doors? How did he know about the cryo pods on the station? I think there is more to his character than shown in movie. Even Rook was somehow more reasonable than Tyler. He even warned them and that they should leave the station immediately. I think WY hired Tyler to check on the station but just gave him little information about what happened. He might have even gotten a better bonus situation and that he could leave afterwards and his quota would not matter anymore. There is more to his background to unveil.
I was under the impression that the hybrid from Romulus was simply a Human-Xenomorph hybrid rather than an engineer hybrid. The rat we get shown's body in Romulus didn't have anything happen to them to do with the Engineers. I took that it was just the Xenomorph DNA in the black goo mixed with a pregnant woman and her child.
Thanks for the reflections Kroft 💚. I have followed you since Prometheus got released back in 2012. I was so uplifted by Ridley Scott's plan about (that) universe. His original plan was to keep the Engineers and Alien separate. He planned 4-5 movies for it... We got a mix of the aliens and engineers instead. I am just glad that they connected Prometheus to Romulus. There is hope my friends, there is hope!
@@Fourtune1 Can someone please explain why Kay died if it only wanted her black goo breast milk, By that logic she'd still be alive unless it mixed with her blood and this wasn't stated and it feels like her character was just a pointless gag
Error in your video: The Black Goo does not contain Engineer DNA. The Offspring appears as an Engineer because it is a human-Xenomorph hybrid (the black goo is Xeno DNA, as mentioned in Prometheus draft scripts) and the base for human DNA is actually Engineer DNA.
There are 2 "black goos." One creates life (the opening scene of Prometheus.) The other destroys life (David's in Prometheus & Covenant.) I haven't watched Romulous yet so I am not certain which "black goos" Rook, reversed engineered.
He didn't reverse engineer the same black compound from Prometheus. What they did was extract what was left over from crashed deralict on LV-426 which was an ancient ship which had a fossilized space jokey. Everything in Prometheus and Covenant is reverse engineered by David from the substance used in Prometheus. Everything in Romulas is reversed engineered from more ancient strains reversed engineered from the Big Chap on LV-426 What is not clear is where that space ship came from? - why it crashed. But what we do know it's ancient possibly it did come from the same place in Prometheus. If that is case the derelict is over 2000 years old. It would appear engineers lost control in their pursuit of perfecting a perfect organism or whatever ancient being they were trying to create. Hence fossilised space jokey with chest ripped open. It most likely this hybrid gave birth to the more biomechanical aliens with see in first two films. What I gathered in Romulas they were experimenting in trying create Super Human Hybrid. But just like engineers they lost control.
3 or 4 if you count Romulus. 1) Blood of the First Deacon. Drank by sacrificial engineer. Seeded life on Planet Earth. 2) "Black Goo" from LV-223. Responsible for most casualties of Prometheus crew and Planet-4 residents. 3) "Facehugger goo" from inside facehuggers. A modified and much more stable version of Goo #2, found inside xenomorph facehuggers. Instead of causing mutations, it simply creates chestbursters with some adaptive traits from the host's DNA. 4) Z-01. Experimental substance based on Goo #3, intended to enhance human physiology. Mutates and kills a rat. Caused the fetus inside Kay to mutate into an abomination.
The ending was truly the highlight of the film. The hybrid creature is very disturbing and opens the possibility that we may learn more about the engineers
Andy said it ,that the black gue in the injection has 25% human DNA , the black gue from promuthius ship is a raw product ,where in Alian romulus its just a bie product of that main element
@@XxHeRBMaNxX Check yourself, man. I get this kind of reaction under a one-sentence paragraph of broken english but you can easily understand this OP. So many people arent native english speakers and even then their grammar is not worse than native users, this post is really not that bad, just get over yourself in this.
5:17 so there is a line in a game that I thing is quite fitting Benevolent being “”let me heal your scars”” Hero “”I am my scars”” Granted I’m missing out a whole bunch of context like the benevolent one was actually essentially assimilate and mind control the hero and the hero wasn’t exactly a good guy dispite fighting on the good guys side. So relevance to this is humans aren’t perfect we are a mix of our flaws and our ideals both in mind and body, and we have seen time and again what monsters get made when we try to make us perfect not just in fiction but also in our history, look at the Second World War (lets hope we don’t see a sequel to that one) and the idea of making the superman.
My theory is that since the black goo has engineers DNA and humans have engineers DNA as well, it combined overwhelming human DNA, so result was an engineer/xenomorph hybrid. Like when neanderthals and homo sapiens hybridized, but neanderthal traits got suppressed.
3:57 What was up with that cocoon the 1st alien went in right after shedding its skin? Never seen that in the series before but it makes sense for how fast they grow after chest burstin
The hybrid laughing and smiling but not making a sound was creepy af. First thing I thought of when I saw it was the Engineers, there was an uncanny resemblance in it's face to the Engineer from Prometheus.
All I know is that they'd BETTER get back to the prometheus storyline. I found Romulus to be derivative and a retread of everything that had come before it, even if it was a well-made film.
I would love a sequel and for David to come back either as an anti hero or as a villain. Also please bring back the real engineers, David and Weiland Yutani Industries need to have a proper conversation with them.
The Engineers on Planet 4 and their Deaths could be down to a few things. * The Urns were Activated in a Certain way that would cause the Pathogen to first spread around and then instead of re-writing the DNA.. it just Crystallized the Molecules of the Engineers turning them into Stone like. * The Engineers had a Safety Device that Radiated something out within a Certain Radius which turned all Organic Biology into a Stone like State... thus neutralizing the Pathogen and effected Organisms. But ultimately they just never gave it much thought.
On Romulus, was the Black-Goo really the same stuff in Prometheus? Or genetically different from the Engineer's Goo? My guess it's different because the offspring should've been a Shaw-like trilobite
I really hope they find a way to bring David back, I love that character despite what people thought of Covenant I really enjoy both the prequels and really hope they find a way to bring David and the Engineers back into it. Romulus did a great job with bringing the pathogen into the story keeping it relevant. I just find the black goo pathogen so interesting it’s so mysterious and kind of leaves you guessing about how dangerous and unpredictable it can be.
This whole comment section, the video itself and Kroft, 10/10 …..I could cry right now, the endless possibilities that could happen in the near future with the alien franchise 😭 as soon as I saw the engineer hybrid, I was so shocked, so terrified, yet excited….
This franchise could be so interesting and so much more… this director gave the fans what they asked by bringing classic xeno’s back to a horror element all while hinting at bigger ideas. If only Ridley hadn’t let the toxic fan boys ruin his direction. I mean this about a lot more than xeno’s, this about philosophical questions about biology and genetics and the consequences of tampering with what we don’t fully understand. The Xenomorph is simply one result of this of what could be many different results. The fan boys think there has to be a xenomorph in the movies now for it to be a part of the lore.
Inside the lab with Rook, there is a 3d printer with a partially printed egg on the printbed. I believe this is how the facehuggers were created without a queen.
That seems to be the way: 3d-printed Facehuggers. Automatic facility. Then the Facehuggers then get transfered to machines to cut them up or whatever to extract the goop from them.
So funny enough. I found this channel after watching Romulus, then rewatching Prometheus because of the black goo and hybrid, then found this channel. And now it’s come full circle!
I agree, when i watched the movie on release day that hybrid monstrosity got me shook, i couldn't believe such thing could ever ve a thing until i saw its face 😅
I haven't seen the new movie yet, but is there any chance that the enginer we think of with the black bio suit is actually a mutated form of the humanoids that David killed instead of a separate humanoid species?
Yes! I thought Kroft would touch on this when he was comparing the Offspring to the jockey. Much better fit to compare the Offspring's characteristics to the Engineer that they woke up in Prometheus. The neck gills, the ribs...I think what Rook and team were trying to accomplish, to change humanity so that spreading out into the universe was easier, is something that Engineers on LV-223 where an example of.
What I'd like to know is; the hybrids' egg acid burned through the ship down into the cargo hold and then was again kicked to burn through the cargo hold to vacuum the hybrid off the ship. In the end the cargo hold part of the ship is disconnected from the rest, and the very next shot is of Raine putting Andy into the cryo pod. Now Here is my question. At the end; After seeing multiple shots of the cryo pods in the ship's hold, as well as multiple shots of the acid burned hole in the corridor to the cryo hold which only has one door to the Bridge (and we just saw the Hybrid crawl back out through the hole and stand in the corridor entrance, before it makes it's attack) After watching Raine Eject the cargo hold from the ship, WHY HASN'T/ISN'T THE SHIP DECOMPRESSING? Raine is putting Andy into the cryo pod WITHOUT WEARING A SUIT OR HELMET ANYMORE. So How did she quick-fix the acid burned hole through the ship? As that acid burned through into the ejected cargo hold, meaning when Raine was putting Andy into the pod in THAT ROOM which had no door on it's entryway to the corridor said burn hole was in; should have been DECOMPRESSING as it now just has a burned hole into outer space. Am I wrong?
Please give us more engineers 🙏 i didn't like this movie all this much it was ok not the worst alien movie but far from good or the best i personally think Alien Covenant is the best alien film
@Nero-Caesar lt depends on what you need for it to work for you, right? To me l need better human characters, and no focus on androids, to me at least.
Dang, seeing the movie this weekend, but now this has been spoiled. Had heard there was a cameo at the end, and was pretty excited for the possibilities, but now the air has been let out of the tires. There's a way to talk about "that cameo" or "ending explained" without putting a spoiler in both the thumbnail and video title.
The scariest part about the hybrid was that I don't think it was even fully grown yet
if you look closely, you could see it's tail growing
I think it would have taken on more xenomorph traits as it grew
@@Chuckles_the_Jester I noticed that too.
@@ryuuotaku35 i only noticed it after someone posted the clip on x (note, the post was not to point out the tail growing, i just happen to notice it)
@@Chuckles_the_JesterI was wandering what if that hybrid also have intellingence like human or more intelligent we can't measure/ assume his intelligence in only 15 min of born
The main thing is that hybrid could be the bridge understand between humans and xenomorphs
Canon as I understand: The "black goo" was a bioweapon created as a result of a failed attempt to re-create the blood of the first deacon. Rook basically extracted the Alien's base essence which was the "black goo" and transformed it into something else (Z01). It wasn't complete or perfected and failed to enhance humans as intended. Instead it simply mutated them.
I'm fine with there being different versions of aliens & black goo all derived from ancient engineer bioweapon. It's a good explanation for the differences between films, and why David was able to create similar looking creatures from scratch.
I think the most logic version is that xenomorphs were not created by engineers. They are perfect organisms as during reproduction cycle, they inject their mutagen, which is actually black goo, into any other organisms and copy part of their DNA. As a result, xenomorphs would survive at any conditions and with any available hosts. Engineers just found them and used that goo to enhance themself into immortal creatures. Thats why they worship to the first deacon (original form of xenomorph found by engineers), as he grand them immortality. Rook and scientists from Romulus wanted to do exactly the same for humans. Just failed, because were not as smart as engineers or because were killed by xenomorph before they could finish their job.
@@yevhenp9797😮
@@yevhenp9797you sir have big pp energy
The Blood of their Lord is taken from the Orange Prometheus Draft which is a Fan Edit.....
The Goo is a Mcguffin.... it just does whatever is convenient for the Plot.
ORIGINALLY.. at Conception it was a Creative Tool... a Organism that could consume the DNA of a Organism and then have the ability to Pass this onto other Organisms to Create a Hybrid.
These originally were Tiny Scarabs.
Scarabs consume Engineer and then fly off and we see one inject the Cargo of Engineer DNA into a early Hominid which Evolved into a Human.
The next time we saw the Scarabs they are stored in a Urn, which Fifield knocks over.... he gets Bitten and he Mutates into a like Xenomorph of sorts Hybrid.
This means these Scarabs had obtained that DNA from a precursor Organism to the Xenomorph.
This Organism was Native to LV-426 and it grew on the Walls of a Cave, as Spores... which contain a Octopoid looking Facehuggers.
The Holloway Chest Burster is a Octopus type Human Hybrid of sorts. It is able to flatten itself like a Octopus.....
Alien Engineers/Genesis which is where this information is from. Indicates that the Engineers use their Creation Tool on a Organism in those Caves to Create a Variety of Organisms.... some looking more like the Neomorph and Mural in Prometheus while others more like the Xenomorph.
The GOO is basically what was these Scarabs... the Goo being microscopic Worm like (actually more like the Hydra Cnidaria on Earth related to Jellyfish).
But as we moved on they made it more complicated and contradicting and it became Mcguffin.
I loved the creepiness of the Hybrid. It was a chef's kiss to show that in modern filmmaking you can still make it suspenseful without a jump scare 💯
Exactly when the camera appeared on the alien human hybrid everyone went oh shit
The noises that erupted throughout the theater when it appeared was something to behold
No jump scares? There were many jump scares and I thought some of them were completely unnecessary and did make it feel cheap at times. I loved the movie overall but in my opinion it could have had way more suspense if they left out some of the jump scares.
For real, there's nothing like everyone just wondering what's going until everything goes silent as we get a big "...WTF IS THAT?!" creature on the screen.
@@ThePolocusdidn't have that many jump scares lol.
Kroft just got 15 years worth of content! LETS GO!!
🤣 u know him well
KROFT IS THE GOAT who somehow has used the same music in these videos for 15 years and it doesn’t even get old at all
Any one following kroft knows it is literally true
@@cloudlanding8258 so true. the music is what makes me to watch till the end. It gives a vibe of space, mysterious, aliens, and science.
@@cloudlanding8258 its seems to be the perfect music to accompany these visuals as we imagine the future of this story.
For those who wonder what that means : a non-Newtonian fluid is a fluid that does not follow Newton's law of viscosity meaning it hardens or softens when you interact with it . If you ever seen those shock absorbing gels or the new speed bumps that are made of liquid when under the speed limit and harden if you go to fast on them , its that .
Baking soda? It's kind of wet, but if you pook it fast it's hard?
@@taboovsknowledge1603 i think you meant cornstarch, but yes exactly
and it makes zero sense as a biological compound
I didn't know anything about these new speed bumps ! That's the most mind blowing thing I have heard in a minute! 🤯‼️
@@maxluthor6800The fact that it's non-Newtonian may be irrelevant to its function in biology. Pulling something random out of my butt, the fact that bile is green is interesting but unimportant to what it does.
You know that Kroft liked a movie when his upload schedule skyrockets
Thanks , for the breakdown!
Never thought we would get these answers, I’m glad they will finish this great franchise !
or starved of content
I didn't hear Kroft mention this and I haven't seen any comments alluding to it, but I feel this is very relevant to the "black goo" discussion as we know it. Rook straight-up name drops "Plagiarus praepotens" when asking MUTHUR about the Z01 compound. This is directly an invention from the novel "Alien: The Cold Forge" which tells me some of the information in there could be considered hard canon now with this name drop.
To those unfamiliar, the novel explains that scientists aboard the Cold Forge station have been experimenting with facehuggers on chimpanzees and discovered that they don't actually deposit an embryo in their hosts. They have a fluid sac filled with a mutagenic pathogen which they named "Plagiarus praepotens." When injected by the facehugger into the host, it essentially breaks down the genetics of the surrounding tissue and rewrites it via combination into what amounts to a "tailor made" tumor, aka a chestburster. The chief researcher of the novel is also secretly trying to adapt the substance into a medical treatment as she suffers from a degenerative physical disease. This kind of aligns with what Rook tells us the intended use of "Z01" is. I also seem to recall that when asked, the author, Alex White, alluded to the concept having ties with the Engineer's black goo as well.
So again, I'm taking it tenatively now that this is canon and perhaps this info will help you all in constructing your own fun theories 😁
why not more comments and likes on this important piece of Info
yeah I have that book..not bad at all as these sort of books go. as someone with a degenerative nerve condition it's always kinda fascinating to read about someone driven to extremes to find a cure or treatment. I think I'd prefer Dr Bashir or Dr Crusher from Star Trek over injections of alien goo but that's just me..
Love the way the Hybrid was laughing whilst attacking Rain 🤣
Smiling and laughing are not the same thing genius
@@GZP1023Menace was straight up Grinning like a psychopath 😂😂 still processing that creature haha
@@GZP1023 .. I guess it takes one to know one! 😂
It just had a Big Mamamac like she was a happy meal.
"Can we get some 2nd amendment over here please"?
That corporate colossal is the poster child for pew pew!
@@taboovsknowledge1603 .. Not forgetting the new design 'straw' for the 'Milk" Shake! 😅
Genuinely, Kroft is the only person online that I'll come looking for in regards to anything to do with the Alien Universe. Kroft thank you so much for taking the time out of your existence on this floating rock to entertain, enlighten, educate and create content that is completely next level. Thanks so much man it means a lot. Hope you are well :)
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@@tempertempernow SAME.
And I love the background music.
Really?!? Hahahahahahah well i guess we all have our preferences. But my advice would be to go check out Alien Theory at the VERY LEAST, Like seriously the Bare Minimum.. I have yet to meet the Alien/Predator fan that dislikes Alien Theory’s videos
Mr. H videos is a great source of knowledge on this franchise along with many others including Predator and HellRaiser
Alien Theory channel is king
This new version of the back goo is not so unpredictable and wild as the engineers version. The girl injected a lot of it in herself, if it was the original black goo we would see something really grotesque happening, since only a little drop of it caused severe mutations in Prometheus.
That’s because rook was creating and mutating the black goo to enhance humans, thing is experimentation can only go so far without living subjects
The OG black goo would have just disintegrated her, like the engineer at the start of Prometheus
It also feels similar to what Andrew Gaska wrote with his Draconis Strain for the Alien RPG which was way more original and in line with Prometheus.
@@MagnumTriumphand therefore create a new lifeform? Supposedly, that moment in Prometheus was the origin of human life…. I think there are multiple versions of the goo, from a xenomorph bioweapon, to the creation of life in the image of the Engineers, and the androids adaptation of the compound to serve it’s programming or acquired “freewill”….
@@argos.languages that was a test drug substance that was refined from harvested face huggers, not exactly the same goo.
When I saw “the Baby” I immediately thought of the Engineers, and that the compound had mutated the embryo into a more ancient and superior form of human/Engineer. It’s funny, not everyone who saw “the Baby” immediately thought of Engineers, but to me the pale hairless skin and black eyes are unmistakeable.
Me too I told my brother that when we were watching it 😂
Thought the exact same thing.
That was her perfect opportunity to kill it with fire
Damn, aren't you special...
Yeah I thought it was a full on engineer when I first saw the baby. Then I thought for a sec that's what the Engineers really are, Humans mutated and improved by the black goo, also since the engineers dna is a complete match for humans. That doesn't look like the case but maybe. Maybe humans are an older race than we know, similar to the lore in the Halo games.
The movie seemed to imply to me that the xenomorphs already existed long before and that the engineers revered them for the substance they could extract from them (black goo) with which they could evolve themselves, seed planets, and create bioweapons.
This would explain the mural with the xenomorph and facehuggers depicted on it.
David was likely just reinventing the species based on the substance. Due to the substance spawning xenomorph like creatures David was just following along. His strain is likely not even the one we encounter in the 1979 movie.
The strain in 1979 might just be an experiment gone wrong. With the engineers either recreating the xenomorphs and one getting lose. Or finding eggs from them which they wanted to transport and study. The appearance of the space jockey in Alien could also be because of the engineers modifying themselves. I think the Engineers we find in Prometheus were incredibly ancient. In their more early/mid stages of experimenting with the black goo. This would also explain why the juggernaut looks so different from the derelict, and the engineer so different from the space jockey. In Prometheus the ship looks pretty normal but in Alien the ship looks very biomechanical. So I think the space jockey and derelict show us what eventually became of their black goo experimentation, evolving themselves and possibly growing part of their ships.
The craft and the engineers are the same. There might be some scale differences but Ridley already addressed that and said they're the same. That's the intention at least. Even though I think there is some scale differences. And some minor tech differences.
We don't know. There's at least three possibilities. The engineers created the goo. The engineers found the goo. The insurance family go and then manipulated it creating their own version. The deacon could pre-exist IF They found the goo. We don't know. They definitely seem to worship it. I think because they look at it as like the purest formal life. Maybe the original form of life. And the deacon is a natural product of that? Or maybe like in Romulus they found the deacon first and then they extracted the material from their bodies? There's also suggestions now in Romulus that it's a natural occurring type of virus. Pathogen. Maybe they discovered it in that form. Either way they look at it as like they found THE god particle.
@@El_Grande_Jefe For me it's not about the scale differences but the space jockey looking so different from the suits the engineers use. And the juggernaut doesn't look like it's built out of bones in the interior like the derelict was, the artstyle is very different.
So the engineers using the black goo to evolve themselves is just my way of explaining away that visual inconsistency.
@@florisvdwetering I think there is some minor stuff too. But it's not on purpose. Ridley might say ... Derelict was exposed to an outdoor harsh environment. Prometheus everything was underground and sealed.
I was thinking, maybe the temple of the deacon was just a cult of engineers that worship that xeno like figure. We cant just assume all Engineers worship that same image.
I rather like the idea that the Space Jockey is not the same species as the Engineers....but rather two distinct worlds where the Space Jockey (Mala'kak) were the master race who created the Engineers to carry out their work.
I want the Engineers come
Back as competent Gods
And kick David’s Ass.
I expected Romulus to open with a scene like that
Oh man, I would love to see more of engineers in Alien movies.
That's wish fulfillment, we don't that in the Alien franchise. Engineers are meant to be just as bad as other villains, so if they come after David, you bet they'll go after the good guys as well.
@@radrno7 I‘m pretty sure they wouldn’t go after Elisabeth
But find her on that planet
Revive her
And go deliver the whooping of a century upon David.
You live forever David?
Yes
Yes you do.
They really need to do another movie with engineers !!! best part of the whole series
I like them a lot too. Very mysterious
I would like to see more of the engineers, but no David.
It’ll be a movie about gay bald aliens. Lol
Watching all Kroft video on the Alien franchise, and especially on the Engineer lore, made me love and appreciate so much more the 2 prequel movies and the overall alien universe. It's rare and appreciate seeing such dedication, and most of all, sharing all of this in well explained video. Thank you!
The prequels are not that good, but I like the Engineer part.
In terms of speculation what was happening to Kay, earlier in the film when describing why the ship was named Romulus, a few seconds of screen time is given to Andy staring at a painting of a baby nursing on a corpse. I expect this was foreshadowing as we later see the hybrid essentially feeding on Kay's corpse. The black goo from her chest is likely breast "milk" for the hybrid.
I would really love to see this story line connect to the setting of the original Alien, one way or another. I was desperate to learn there would be no "Alien Covenant sequel" but this movie here brings some new hope (no pun intended) to close the circle.
As in covenant sequel that continues at that point in the timeline? I'm sure they will. Romulus proves to the studio that there IS interest in the franchise in spite of covenant not doing that well.
@@maxheadroom4659people like the franchise. We just want better storytelling.
@@Fourtune1 exactly. Prometeus and especially covenant have been corrupted by idiotic plot. By idiotic plot I mean plot which is not possible without idiots. In both original alien and romulus main characters behaved smarter than characters in prometeus and covenant, while should be opposite situation. In prometeus and covenant all characters should be trained and carefully selected, best of the best, just like astronauts on the Moon missions. But we got bunch of idiots which remove their helmets on new planet. They might be though that they are virus proof because of their idiotism. But no, they are not. This itself ruined both movies for me. While ideas overall were quite interesting and nice.
@@yevhenp9797EVERY negative comment has had an explanation for almost 10 years. U people r like LIBERALS and just keep repeating the BS u hear other people say.
#1 how's Romulus different. IF I want to be a negative ass, which ruins movies, I can say same shit. I can give u a dozen examples of stupid behavior. EASY. I just saw in this clip seconds ago one kid put electric shocker into Zeno egg on wall ... Then. .. he stood there with his Face 3 feet away. I can do this all day. People are like sheep, and they Luv to hate. So once that band wagon starts all these people jump on board.
Prometheus explained - twins perfect. UA-cam video search it. If you want answer to the dumb questions. The rest of us that are thinking man's sci-fi fans, acquired good critical thinking skills, we loved Prometheus and Covenant. It's all the haters that destroyed the franchise. Bold new ideas that had action and horror and beautiful sets and cast full of wonderful actors was ruined by all the negativity. We can't just keep making movies to keep the dumb down fans happy. We did that for 20 plus years with all the dumb action movies in this series. AVP all these things. They're just dumb action movies. Ridley comes in to stimulate your mind and what do people do they hate on it. And I've seen just as many people complaining STILL about Romulus. And guess what they're saying? Oh it's just all action it's dumb, the characters are dumb and do dumb things. This is got to be a result of the young generations who are full of hate. They hate their country they hate their lives they hate the economy so they hate movies too. Could it kill you it's just spend 10 to $15 and just enjoy it and shut up so they can keep making these movies. They cut the covenant budget in half and he did everything he could to give you xenomorph and action and horror And they still complained. We need ticket sales to keep the franchise going. They need money. They need the people stop review bombing s*** or nobody's going to put hundreds of millions of dollars of the money into something with all this uncertainty. None of these movies are that bad to hate on them that much. You can complain and say I wish they had this or that or why this or happen. If you really are interested you can find the answers to the dumb questions. But just go to the movie and shut up. Go twice. Otherwise they're going to stop making these things. As a sci-fi fan you should support the creators. We want to keep seeing creativity and new ideas. You really think they're going to make five movies in a row of people just being chased by things?? It's like when black films come out. It may not be their favorite but black people go out and support black films. And they keep making them. Otherwise they're going to stop.
@@yevhenp9797because injecting your self with mysterious black goo is smart LOL
One thing I love the most about the Alien series is its cassette-punk setting. How it's simultaneously a futuristic scify view of the human race that is full of spaceships and lazers, yet we still struggle with the limits of our technology. I think that was shown well in this movie.
Fr. I do like the more "modern sci-fi" aesthetic of Prometheus and Covenant, but for something else and *NOT* the alien franchise. Alien is best with the older style of "casette futurism" aesthetic instead of holograms and sleek ships. They can still be super high tech, hell they can even have holographic map tables, but everything else being push-buttons and large blocky objects just fits better. They can still have their curved CRT-style monitors and just make them hi-def too (it is sci-fi after all). Everything in Alien feels practical
i love how much detail you include in your videos. keep em coming dude
7:19 technically speaking it didn’t fail because the purpose of the black good is to create life, the engineer sacrifices himself to drink and in the opening of Prometheus after the dna breaking down it starts regenerating again
Yeah but it’s confirmed long ago that the goo in the beginning of Prometheus is not the same as the one on Lv 223. There’s 2 types, one is to create life after destruction while the other creates life for destruction, or mutates. Honestly this shit is complicated
The goo the engineer on earth drank was the blood of the original deacon, blood that creates life.
The “black” goo is a synthetic blood created by the engineers to mimic the pure blood of the original deacon that destroys life.
Kroft, as usual your videos are the best of the Alien explanation channels on UA-cam.
Im a huge fan of Prometheus and David and was sad that story wasn’t continuing. When Fede said Ridley watched the film and loved it, it really reignited my hope for David’s story to continue. Watching Romulus, when they showed the black goo and they played notes of the Prometheus theme song, I was so happy. Then, the rat mutation to the hybrid happened and I thought that there is no way the David story is over.
I really think Ridley is making Gladiator 2 to bankroll his vision for Aliens to continue.
I too hope Ridley won't give up on his vision.
I don’t get Alien fans…. Prometheus & Covenant really expanded the lore.
Maybe not the best.. but that’s what we got. I hope they bring it all full circle in like 5-10 years.
The problem is Covenant left things so vague we now have debates about who created the Xenomorphs David or the Engineers and did David wipe out the Engineers or not. You literally have to reference outside sources and deletes scene to find the answer.
Not only that fans were intrigued by the Engineers and wanted more, and that's what we thought we were getting in Covenant. But all we got was a psychotic Weyland Yutani synthetic bent on genocide. Covenant was a convoluted mess and did more harm than good.
Agree. This film started well but become more Disney fan fare with pandering Easter eggs and mashed concepts.
Makes the instalments that came before it appear far more solid.
@@unrhu I concur. Covenant felt once removed from the plot points we really wanted to explore.
But there was a lot of backlash about not being enough about a xeno origin that production doubled down on that in that particular film.
So the moral of the story - stop panicking about what people want to see and just make good movies!
Otherwise we end up with more fan fodder and I for one found the grand scale of horror associated with the engineers much more entertaining.
Xeno is still an icon. But the horror was always about the unknown. Nothing was surprising about the last the movie - it just ran off old ideas.
Now Disney have the hooks in, can’t see it doing much else.
@@unrhu essentially a case of “in space no one can hear you yawn”
But all the lore you need is in the Dark Horse books. Not this massive shit pile that has been birthed since alien resurrection 😂😂😂😂
What scares me most is.
The fact that, the Black Goo didn't effect Kay into complete mutation , but only selectively her baby.
What is also scary is, within minutes it grew just as tall as an engineer , and probably wasn't even fully grown knowing it was only alive for less than half and hour.
And what's even SCARIER Is.
The beginning of the movie, it shows the Xenomorph can survive in the vacuum of space and create a cocoon to stay alive or have surviving tissue still active.
WHATS WORSE IS. The Colony was notified of the incident and there are samples of the re-engineerwd goo on the ship.
Create yet another search to complete the mission.
WHATS WORSE IS Tyler might have been the true traiter the entire time and working for the company to make sure the samples where escorted off Romulus.
(Why would he have a thermal scanner. Specially known the exact model of the rifle, know almost every part of the ship , and single handedly discovered the station and it's estminated demise before entering.
That last part is very interesting, well done.
I hope the Engineers basically getting ready for war because of David and that’s why Wayland guys are trying to prepare themselves
I really hope that the next movie brings David back. Besides Ripley, he’s the most iconic character to this franchise.
No thanks, a movie about an android like that is boring.
The fact that the hybrid actually smiled was the creepiest crap I ever saw
I'm saying this the goo from the xenomorphs is more most pure form of it while the engineers version is a refined version of it. Cause the xenomorphd are more ancient than we thought
The xenomorphs are possibly created by the engineers eons ago as a extreme biological weapon
Ngl, the hybrid almost gave me goosebumps as an Alien fan💀💀💀
Made me feel sick tbh
What I don't understand is - Weyland Yutani have never seen or experienced a truly positive reaction with the Black Goo, it's mutated or destroyed any and all lifeforms it's mixed or tested with. So I don't know why WY still think that they can use it to their advantage 🤔🤔 The Engineers are potentially thousands/millions of years more advanced than humanity and even they struggled to control it
The other odd thing is that the humans seems to be completely disinterested in the Engineers' ships. Wouldn't they want to disassemble one to see how they work?
It's really about our hubris tbh. We as a species believe that we can control anything.
This speaks directly to hubris, and the 'god complex' theme of the series. WY cannot admit that they are out of their depth. (Read the end of the original Jurassic Park for more on that.)
Money money money, MONEY! Plus everything is disposable for the company. Lives are just a resource to them.
Its simple, whenever something goes wrong the HQ doesn't get the sorry simply because there's nobody left to report back
Amazing work as always. A video about the first Deacon would be essential.
I want to see it in a theater. This and Deadpool & Wolverine are the only films I've actually cared about seeing recently.
Seen it dont waste ur money,deadpool is worth it but this garbage nah
Type it All together
I’ve watched both at home in really good quality thru that site
I just did, honestly it was very worth it, the movie draws you in.
I wanted to see Deadpool more but a friend worked me over for a month to see Romulus with him instead, i accepted and i do not regret.
This movie has several tense, loud and chaotic scenes followed by utter silence and you could hear the pin drop, nobody dared to move a muscle - this stood out because i always expect someone whispering, munching on popcorn or even breathing loudly... not with Romulus though.
Saw it in theaters today. Last time I saw a movie in theaters was IT Chapter 2. It was so worth it. Really cool to see it with a crowd, everyone reacting together. I do plan to watch it again on streaming, since most of the characters have a cockney accent that gets hard to understand. But besides that it was really good!
It’s wild how I knew to come to this channel to get the lore because he has been covering it for the longest, I love that we get to piece together everything. And theories, best thing ever. This channel is 10/10
Did this creature literally just eat Kay like a zombie eating a human or did it just consume the black slime from her, effectively sucking the life out of her till she died?
With the brief scene that places emphasis on the goo starting to secrete from her chest as if she was producing breast milk, I believe it’s the 2nd one.
How da hell that things sucks her so hard that she died
@@lordmiow idk man, probably both reasons, se starts secreting black goo from her breasts straight after it comes out!
@@lordmiowthe black goo infects your blood. To suck the black goo out of here is like sucking the blood out of her.
@@khanyisatvin my theatre's I couldn't tell the black goo was from her chest. maybe my country censored it
Plot twist. David is at Vaga colony
Please no, not more David
So far you have the best explanation of most UA-camrs out there talking about Romulus. I had to many questions and you answered them. Everyone else just complains or compares and doesn’t explain anything. Thank you!!
A sequel to Alien Romulus must be about Rain and Andy arriving to the planet destination, and then it is actually David's planet and his xenomorph creations!!
We need to have a conclusion to David's story line
No thanks, no more psycopathic androids
Yes please, more psychotic androids.
@@nightmarefuel3478 If that's so great why do you think that the latest movie had no connection to him? Disney knows that David was divisive so I doubt that they'll make another David movie, which I'm glad for.
@@earthcitizen3939No connections? Did you even watch the movie or this video for that matter? I for one would love to see more of Fassbinder's David with a proper conclusion to that storyline
No thanks, every movie he’s in sucks.
I assumed Space Jockeys were evolved versions of engineers and it's the reason we they look taller etc than the engineers that David destroys/burns with the Pathogen in Prometheus.
The 'Space Jockey' is just an Engineer in a 'biosuit' that makes him look bigger.
Or, the Engineers tried to substitute themselves for the Space Jockeys, so designed a suit to be able to operate their space travel device/seat. Maybe the Space Jockeys created the Engineers as slaves for them but then left to another galaxy or died out.
"Hello Guys Kroft is here..."
Me: YEEEEEEES!
Amazing to see that you are still doing this content. I came to your channel years and years ago, now alien romulus, and here we are again. 💪
I sort of felt like when Andy suggested that the pregnant girl receive the black goo, it seemed a little similar to David tricking Shaw's husband into taking the black goo, given that his directive had changed. It seemed slightly sinister - at least to me. Maybe they were kind of calling back to that scene and building some tension for people who remembered it.
For anyone curious about what the background music is: it's called "Atlantis" by Audionautix
They wouldnt have had a hologram of the vases if they didnt receive David's package, right?
Storyline is full of holes.
As someone said in Alien 3: "It all goes back." Ripley's bioscan in that film, Ash's studies in Alien, David sent his notes back to the Weyland company. They know all about it.
Oooo yea I like that.
@@Nicholas-db5slit’s really kinda not.
But it takes almost to much time and effort to get the whole scope. RIP red hive
@@johnchristy4320 still a crap movie. Poor director accepting a pee-poor storyline
Always great Kroft, cant wait for the next review.
Don’t forget the moon worms in Prometheus. They were also mutated
I hope the engineers come back. Prometheus was actually the first movie I watched from the alien franchise before I watched it in order! I think their fascinating
I really hope the next one connects to David, and the original Space jockey from alien one.
I hope not, David is done and also I guess that Disney knows that it would be a too big of a risk to make a movie like that. People can have different opinions and that's fine, but I don't want him back.
@@earthcitizen3939YOU don’t want him back. There’s a lot of story when it comes to his character. I think character adds a lot to the story’s.
@@johnnygarcia8627 l don't want the story to be centred around him, it's boring. Covenant was more than enough *yawn*. Obviously we have different opinions about this, but that's OK.
Your alien discussions are the BEST on UA-cam
Holy Sh*t guys!!! I just realized.
That planet that Andy and Raine are headed to. They don't allow synthetics? That is a strange choice right? We see synthetics deployed everywhere in the alien universe. Walter was even a synthetic that was supposed to travel with the colonists in Covenant.
Here's what I'm getting at. What kind of ruler of a world would want only humans to come and not synthetics? Why would someone have such distrust or hatred for the synths? Perhaps someone with a god complex who believes he is the ultimate being / intelligence. That's right... It's David. He HAS to be behind this.
It's no great mystery, the inhabitants there (correctly) hate and fear Weyland-Yutani, and (correctly) perceive synthetics as agents of W-Y's will.
This movie was awesome; a perfect bridge between the classic movies and Ridley Scott's prequels... also a unique movie on its own. Great video!
This part of the Film Series may of possibly confirmed a Prometheus Part 2. Because in Alien Covenant we all thought that Prometheus will continue its story all the way till the very end. Because that particular part of the series had a more importance to the franchise & a significant message. A deeper story of the Alien origin universe. It played it Big part in the entire trillogy which was missed in the series. It was only right bringing the Engineers return in the Alien franchise. Everyone was more focused on that 1 particular series 'Prometheus' because the way it left us on a cliff hanger with so many unresolved questions. Mr. Ridley Scott BRING PROMETHEUS PART 2 ONTO THE SCREENS!
Kroft, I wasn’t around to watch your channel when Covenant came out. I became a huge fan of your channel when I stumbled upon the franchise after that film and I increased my own interest in the Alien universe after years of knowing about all the films but never seen them. Now, I’m grateful to have watched your videos and gone to the theater to see Romulus. One of the highlights of my year.
We want DAVID back!
The only problem is the haters will keep on hating. These people will be around for decades and keep review bombing stuff.
No not really though
I want Shaw back!
@@AutumnIvy1995 😂😂😂😂 good luck
@@IBSBrad I know right lol 😂
there’s a lot of people complaining about plot holes in the story but to me that just makes the series so much better. the alien universe is absolutely genius-giving you just enough to go off of and follow along with the story but still leave room for own imagination as well as room for twists/turns in future installments of the franchise.
I love David’s character & the engineers they brought so much more interest to the alien franchise . Without it I was just like meh… Now it’s fascinating ! Romulus was good love the connection with the black goo! Hopefully the next film will tie these films up together bringing David back and a few angry engineers in pursuit among many more .. 👌
I really love your alien content.
A new Kroft video on Engineers ? Yup, I'll click this !
Thank you Kroft for the amazing content as always. Best wishes and hope you are doing well.
The black goo can be manipulated to create, transform, or destroy. The goo that seeded earth had a gold color, so I believe it is engineered differently from the xeno goo
They are kind of intertwined. It's like it breaks chunks out of your DNA and encapsulates them to try and create a new lifeform. You kind of mutate because you've now got parts of you missing their code, making you unstable. And little lifeforms all up in you. (That worm thing in that guy's eye after David spiked his drink with a drop)
The one that did the terraforming chugged a bigger dose in one go, so they just broke down and their DNA was fragmented down to single cell organisms.
Kroft, accept my appreciation of your work
I am a fan of alien franchise and became him at 6 y.o. when i watched the first movie
Hey, good job on the video. Makes sense now.
I listen to a lot of breakdowns of this new alien movie, but it was not official for me until I heard Kroft. I heard all his awesome feedback and theories on the older stuff and now a new movie came out. It is really cool to listen to.
Wherever the black goo comes from isn't that relevant I think. As mentioned in my comment to your last vid: my believe is that engineers are able to control it in its pure form, upgrading them from a human race to biomechanical freaks (strong, durable, giant in size, merged with an outside armour, able to survive looong time).
ALL usages we saw in every of the last movies (Prometheus, Covenant, Romulus) were UNCONTROLLED usages causing random mutations.
David was closest to controlled with his Praeto- or Protomorph. He used an old recipe from the engineers (stated in canon book version of Covenant) but was limited in tools and material.
So for me in the end the "perfect organism" aka the Alien is a bio-engineered creature based on alien insects and controlled use of pure black goo serving as a bio-weapon.
I been watching a lot of reviews about Romulus lately, but this is the one I was waiting for! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
I swear 😂😂😂
I think due Tyler's knowledge about the stations, marines tactics and combats training, and the secret weapons in the lab and how to use them.and their.functions...
I think Tyler was either a company Agent or Mercenary.
How did he know that Andy was needed to open the doors?
How did he know about the cryo pods on the station?
I think there is more to his character than shown in movie.
Even Rook was somehow more reasonable than Tyler. He even warned them and that they should leave the station immediately.
I think WY hired Tyler to check on the station but just gave him little information about what happened. He might have even gotten a better bonus situation and that he could leave afterwards and his quota would not matter anymore. There is more to his background to unveil.
I'm fully confident that a regular CoD player could figure out an M4 just as fast.
U r so good , thank u for these videos :)
I was under the impression that the hybrid from Romulus was simply a Human-Xenomorph hybrid rather than an engineer hybrid.
The rat we get shown's body in Romulus didn't have anything happen to them to do with the Engineers. I took that it was just the Xenomorph DNA in the black goo mixed with a pregnant woman and her child.
If it's in only Kay's breast milk then why is Kay dead
@douglaslockwood6387 I assume like several other Xenomorph iterations, the creature consumed more than just her milk
@@AmelityshTV Why ? Do they drink blood then because it's never been stated before
@@AmelityshTV They don't state a lot things and that's why her death bothered me because it made it a pointless death.
@@douglaslockwood6387 Xenomorphs ate humans in Alien 3.
Thanks for the reflections Kroft 💚. I have followed you since Prometheus got released back in 2012. I was so uplifted by Ridley Scott's plan about (that) universe. His original plan was to keep the Engineers and Alien separate. He planned 4-5 movies for it... We got a mix of the aliens and engineers instead. I am just glad that they connected Prometheus to Romulus. There is hope my friends, there is hope!
Brother your videos are great. I like all of your videos and explaining. Can you try to cover comic's side too.
Watch his full timeline video. It includes the comics.
@@Fourtune1 Can someone please explain why Kay died if it only wanted her black goo breast milk, By that logic she'd still be alive unless it mixed with her blood and this wasn't stated and it feels like her character was just a pointless gag
Error in your video: The Black Goo does not contain Engineer DNA. The Offspring appears as an Engineer because it is a human-Xenomorph hybrid (the black goo is Xeno DNA, as mentioned in Prometheus draft scripts) and the base for human DNA is actually Engineer DNA.
There are 2 "black goos." One creates life (the opening scene of Prometheus.) The other destroys life (David's in Prometheus & Covenant.) I haven't watched Romulous yet so I am not certain which "black goos" Rook, reversed engineered.
He didn't reverse engineer the same black compound from Prometheus.
What they did was extract what was left over from crashed deralict on LV-426 which was an ancient ship which had a fossilized space jokey.
Everything in Prometheus and Covenant is reverse engineered by David from the substance used in Prometheus.
Everything in Romulas is reversed engineered from more ancient strains reversed engineered from the Big Chap on LV-426
What is not clear is where that space ship came from? - why it crashed. But what we do know it's ancient possibly it did come from the same place in Prometheus.
If that is case the derelict is over 2000 years old.
It would appear engineers lost control in their pursuit of perfecting a perfect organism or whatever ancient being they were trying to create.
Hence fossilised space jokey with chest ripped open.
It most likely this hybrid gave birth to the more biomechanical aliens with see in first two films.
What I gathered in Romulas they were experimenting in trying create Super Human Hybrid.
But just like engineers they lost control.
3 or 4 if you count Romulus.
1) Blood of the First Deacon. Drank by sacrificial engineer. Seeded life on Planet Earth.
2) "Black Goo" from LV-223. Responsible for most casualties of Prometheus crew and Planet-4 residents.
3) "Facehugger goo" from inside facehuggers. A modified and much more stable version of Goo #2, found inside xenomorph facehuggers. Instead of causing mutations, it simply creates chestbursters with some adaptive traits from the host's DNA.
4) Z-01. Experimental substance based on Goo #3, intended to enhance human physiology. Mutates and kills a rat. Caused the fetus inside Kay to mutate into an abomination.
The ending was truly the highlight of the film. The hybrid creature is very disturbing and opens the possibility that we may learn more about the engineers
Andy said it ,that the black gue in the injection has 25% human DNA , the black gue from promuthius ship is a raw product ,where in Alian romulus its just a bie product of that main element
Brain damage reading this
Nice
@@XxHeRBMaNxX Check yourself, man.
I get this kind of reaction under a one-sentence paragraph of broken english but you can easily understand this OP.
So many people arent native english speakers and even then their grammar is not worse than native users, this post is really not that bad, just get over yourself in this.
@@vavra222 leftist meme ahhh comment
@@XxHeRBMaNxX Oh shut up, or i will call my uncle Pinochet and give you a helicopter ride.
I swear, you amerimutts are beyond saving.
5:17 so there is a line in a game that I thing is quite fitting
Benevolent being “”let me heal your scars””
Hero “”I am my scars””
Granted I’m missing out a whole bunch of context like the benevolent one was actually essentially assimilate and mind control the hero and the hero wasn’t exactly a good guy dispite fighting on the good guys side.
So relevance to this is humans aren’t perfect we are a mix of our flaws and our ideals both in mind and body, and we have seen time and again what monsters get made when we try to make us perfect not just in fiction but also in our history, look at the Second World War (lets hope we don’t see a sequel to that one) and the idea of making the superman.
My theory is that since the black goo has engineers DNA and humans have engineers DNA as well, it combined overwhelming human DNA, so result was an engineer/xenomorph hybrid. Like when neanderthals and homo sapiens hybridized, but neanderthal traits got suppressed.
3:57 What was up with that cocoon the 1st alien went in right after shedding its skin? Never seen that in the series before but it makes sense for how fast they grow after chest burstin
background music please , i have been asking for that for many days
same
Atlantis - Audionautix
@@nathanmarshall514 thanks man ,you just saved a life
The hybrid laughing and smiling but not making a sound was creepy af. First thing I thought of when I saw it was the Engineers, there was an uncanny resemblance in it's face to the Engineer from Prometheus.
All I know is that they'd BETTER get back to the prometheus storyline. I found Romulus to be derivative and a retread of everything that had come before it, even if it was a well-made film.
Agree. I actually found Romulus quite boring. Beautiful cinematography and liked Andy's storyline, but that's about it.
Prometheus was great wish it would of been expanded on
Agree. Romulus was a regression and degeneration into a retard movie.
The Engineers are interesting but I prefer Romulus over Covenant at least, probably better than Prometheus too.
I would love a sequel and for David to come back either as an anti hero or as a villain.
Also please bring back the real engineers, David and Weiland Yutani Industries need to have a proper conversation with them.
The Engineers on Planet 4 and their Deaths could be down to a few things.
* The Urns were Activated in a Certain way that would cause the Pathogen to first spread around and then instead of re-writing the DNA.. it just Crystallized the Molecules of the Engineers turning them into Stone like.
* The Engineers had a Safety Device that Radiated something out within a Certain Radius which turned all Organic Biology into a Stone like State... thus neutralizing the Pathogen and effected Organisms.
But ultimately they just never gave it much thought.
On Romulus, was the Black-Goo really the same stuff in Prometheus? Or genetically different from the Engineer's Goo? My guess it's different because the offspring should've been a Shaw-like trilobite
It's based on a variant found in Facehuggers. That kind turns the affected tissue into a Chestburster.
Then they harvested that and messed with it.
I really hope they find a way to bring David back, I love that character despite what people thought of Covenant I really enjoy both the prequels and really hope they find a way to bring David and the Engineers back into it.
Romulus did a great job with bringing the pathogen into the story keeping it relevant.
I just find the black goo pathogen so interesting it’s so mysterious and kind of leaves you guessing about how dangerous and unpredictable it can be.
This whole comment section, the video itself and Kroft, 10/10 …..I could cry right now, the endless possibilities that could happen in the near future with the alien franchise 😭 as soon as I saw the engineer hybrid, I was so shocked, so terrified, yet excited….
Gotta love when there is spoilers in the title..thx
This franchise could be so interesting and so much more… this director gave the fans what they asked by bringing classic xeno’s back to a horror element all while hinting at bigger ideas.
If only Ridley hadn’t let the toxic fan boys ruin his direction.
I mean this about a lot more than xeno’s, this about philosophical questions about biology and genetics and the consequences of tampering with what we don’t fully understand. The Xenomorph is simply one result of this of what could be many different results.
The fan boys think there has to be a xenomorph in the movies now for it to be a part of the lore.
Inside the lab with Rook, there is a 3d printer with a partially printed egg on the printbed. I believe this is how the facehuggers were created without a queen.
That seems to be the way: 3d-printed Facehuggers. Automatic facility. Then the Facehuggers then get transfered to machines to cut them up or whatever to extract the goop from them.
The happiness I get from the hybrid is LEGITTT, so happy to see the Engineer vibes back!!
Very cool. I was waiting for your vid. Thx
The black goo is the perfect plot device. It does whatever the script requires.
Same can be said about electricity in real life.
And yet the latter is used for everything.
Black goo is just a bio-chemical type of reagent
@@kingol4801 doubtful. When I flip a switch, every time it turns the light on.
@@kingol4801Hey, back in old old comic days, electricity was liable to give you superpowers.
So funny enough. I found this channel after watching Romulus, then rewatching Prometheus because of the black goo and hybrid, then found this channel. And now it’s come full circle!
I agree, when i watched the movie on release day that hybrid monstrosity got me shook, i couldn't believe such thing could ever ve a thing until i saw its face 😅
I haven't seen the new movie yet, but is there any chance that the enginer we think of with the black bio suit is actually a mutated form of the humanoids that David killed instead of a separate humanoid species?
Yes! I thought Kroft would touch on this when he was comparing the Offspring to the jockey. Much better fit to compare the Offspring's characteristics to the Engineer that they woke up in Prometheus. The neck gills, the ribs...I think what Rook and team were trying to accomplish, to change humanity so that spreading out into the universe was easier, is something that Engineers on LV-223 where an example of.
Good to see you back kroft. I believe you and I really appreciate the engineer story line. It’s a damn shame they got rid of it.
I kind of want to see what happened on the romulus station and its own movie
Thank you for your great work!
Anyone notice no cell phones in the alien movies or predator films btw how you smash a rat and there’s no blood 🩸?
What I'd like to know is; the hybrids' egg acid burned through the ship down into the cargo hold and then was again kicked to burn through the cargo hold to vacuum the hybrid off the ship. In the end the cargo hold part of the ship is disconnected from the rest, and the very next shot is of Raine putting Andy into the cryo pod.
Now Here is my question. At the end; After seeing multiple shots of the cryo pods in the ship's hold, as well as multiple shots of the acid burned hole in the corridor to the cryo hold which only has one door to the Bridge (and we just saw the Hybrid crawl back out through the hole and stand in the corridor entrance, before it makes it's attack) After watching Raine Eject the cargo hold from the ship, WHY HASN'T/ISN'T THE SHIP DECOMPRESSING? Raine is putting Andy into the cryo pod WITHOUT WEARING A SUIT OR HELMET ANYMORE. So How did she quick-fix the acid burned hole through the ship? As that acid burned through into the ejected cargo hold, meaning when Raine was putting Andy into the pod in THAT ROOM which had no door on it's entryway to the corridor said burn hole was in; should have been DECOMPRESSING as it now just has a burned hole into outer space. Am I wrong?
Please give us more engineers 🙏 i didn't like this movie all this much it was ok not the worst alien movie but far from good or the best i personally think Alien Covenant is the best alien film
Wtf. Best Alien Film is Aliens OR Alien 1. Covenant has nothing to do with a good Alien movie.
@@zockerking2061 Have you ever heard of an opinion before do you know what it means
More Engineers sure, but no more David. AC is a 2 out of 5 at best
@earthcitizen3939 if that's your rating cool good for you mine is 5/5
@Nero-Caesar lt depends on what you need for it to work for you, right? To me l need better human characters, and no focus on androids, to me at least.
Dang, seeing the movie this weekend, but now this has been spoiled. Had heard there was a cameo at the end, and was pretty excited for the possibilities, but now the air has been let out of the tires. There's a way to talk about "that cameo" or "ending explained" without putting a spoiler in both the thumbnail and video title.
yeah this assholes ruined it for me, unsubbed