Can You Beat A Level 100 Hoppip With A Level 5 Totodile?
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Join me on my quest to defeat a level 100 Hoppip, on the way calculating insane probabilities, uncovering scandals, and generally hating myself the entire time.
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Huge thanks to Brad for creating this Rom and to Chance for helping me with the more complicated calculations and checking my work!
The VOD for this run does not include any part of the Hoppip Strategy, but here it is anyway (it's not very good quality). It was sometimes done at the same time as one of my Minecraft Runs:
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Clarifications/Expected Complaints:
1. But I found a page on Bulbapedia that IS correct!
After doing a showing of this video, Chance and I once again rechecked some stuff and found that the critical hit page does indeed have correct generation 2 information. However, this information, to the best of my knowledge, as of August 2020, is not found on the Damage page on the wiki, or in the very very least it is not at all clear. Maybe the correct stuff on the site somewhere, but definitely not where I would first look. After only 50 hours, I found this out. This stuff shouldn't be that hard to find.
2. Your set notation is ugly!
I know I used inconsistent set notation, but I thought since I went through it all vocally, I thought this was acceptable. I tried to represent the formula in the way I thought would be easiest to narrate.
3. Some of the transitions are not lined up perfectly like in your previous videos, why?
I apologize if some of the transitions and animations of the formula are not as clear as they could be. The equation took up so many nodes in Blackmagic Fusion, and I am just starting to learn how to use it. As such, any part with formula melted my computer so much that I couldn't easily preview the animations, so I cut a lot of corners with it.
4. Some narration mistakes:
I apologize for the number of mistakes in the narration, especially anywhere where I called stage multipliers "stage modifiers" or when I refer to the max attack reported by Pokémon showdown as 15 instead of 16 (no idea how this happened, I check that number SO many times because it was awkward to say "15 IVs gives an attack of 15".
5. Why does Hoot-Hoot have more health than expected at level 1?
Well, that's because I glossed over a small point on what this run actually is. The actual idea of the run was that any Pokémon I caught would be reduced from level 100 to their original level in that area, but this rom has been cucked by memory limits (I'm even playing it in parts so that the memory isn't overloaded). Therefore, to make things easier in a number of ways (in addition to saving A LOT of time), I thought it would be fine to set most Pokémon to level 1 once I had caught them instead. So, I when I was researching the Hoppip strat, I assumed that, if needed, I catch any Pokémon and reduce it to its original level rather than level 1 if needed.
6. Did you really spend over 50 hours researching this?
Yes, plus a couple hundred hours editing this video. Pls share and support me.
7. When will the full run video be out?
Probably quite far in the future. The run is not complete yet, and I have 2 other runs to make videos for (Code Vein and Minecraft).
8. The HP Calculation isn't calculated that way! Use the least significant bit!
I knew about this, but it just would have added what I thought was unnecessary time to the video, and doesn't really matter for the purpose of this video.
Music:
"Space Ambience Atmosphere" by Vilkas Sound
All other music was remixed by me using MIDIs from KHInsider. Here they are in order:
"Opening & Title Screen to Pokémon Hoppip Version"
Original: Pokémon Crystal Opening and Titile Screen
"Krabattle"
Original: "Kraken of the Sea" (Earthbound)
"Hoppip Party"
Original: "Game Corner" (Pokémon Crystal)
PanneonHoppip
Original: "File Select" (Super Mario 64)
Hoppip Gym
Original: Gym Theme (Pokémon Crystal)
Artbound Against a Hoppip
Original: "Rival Battle" (Pokémon Crystal)
Art:
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Update: The mod maker has gone missing, so the parent challenge (all Pokémon level 100 except my own) may not be finished. I am very sad and sorry :c
Aw that sucks all that work is gone
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :c
:(
Wait what, i was just rewatching your videos and saw this comment, i hope he is ok
Im sorry for him and his parents its a painfull felling 😔✊
Can’t believe I got called casual for not calculating the mathematical stability of the entire universe to beat a Pokémon game.
Just looking at all the math hurts me
You are a casual, there are only two variables you chump
You have 666 likes. Please don't change that.
Yeah....
@@robertlupa8273 It's inevitable. All you can do is make the moment last as long as possible
BTW this is making me think of Sephiroth's Super Nova LOL.
"Uh pokemon isn't about fun. Its about math and winning"- pokemon rusty
I definitely didn't have any fun
But he is winning 🥰
Then again, rusty himself didn't follow this rule, he half-assed everything and somehow(coughcoughThatBreederGuyclughcough) stumbling his way into creating a Literal Pokégod
Dude ever thought about using the inverted version of that meme for your icon?
@@hitkid2456 yes
WHOEVER UPDATED THE DAMAGE PAGE ON BULBAPEDIA IS MY HERO. I'M CRYING
Though I can't take all of the credit. I only exposed it, the people at the Pokémon Crystal Disassembly project have the right answers, and Chance had interpreted/found the code for me.
FUCKING CITE ME
NEVER FORGET MY SACRIFICE FOR TRUTH
I ASSUMED YOU PUT IT THERE HAHAHA. IM HAPPY FOR YOU BUDDY
You're welcome, I updated the damage page and linked to your video :)
My username on Bulbapedia: Daniel Carrero
I'm a Bulbapedia admin
Update: The run will continue soon
More pain incoming
Ponggers
Just started watching this series and damn. The amount of work you put into this shit really shows exemplary perseverance. The power of God and anime is real.
@@muazzamshams1801 thank you thank you
hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyype. Man this is so sick, I HAVE to see how you got past this, cause it seems impossible to me after watching this video
I never thought I'd ever hear "Youngster Joey and his Level 100 Rattata" in my life.
hahahahaha
It’s now certifiably in the top percentage of all Rattatas.
@@lintecassidy206 it’s not in the top percentage. It IS the top percentage.
You haven't played Pokemon Crystal Clear yet then...
@Jacob Esterson shaco and pokemon lover aswell ma of great taste sir
And they said I’d never use high school level math in real life
E X A C T L Y
E X A C T L Y
I use my high school math techniques every night when I fall asleep.
@@SirDankleberry lmao mood
Throwback to Werster at AGDQ 2013.
"There's tons of indepth information about every aspect of Pokemon on Serebii, Bulbapedia, and Smogon. And it's all wrong."
hahahaha
It takes a true Titan to vaguely understand GameFreak spaghetti
@@ashikjaman1940 The true Pokemon creepypasta is the games' code itself.
All that math just to tell us, 'fuck no you idiot, it's impossible'
Great stuff as always!
Dood spoilers
Not enough people make videos for challenges that failed. You always expect challenges in videos to succeed. Success comes only after so SO much failure.
@@jongyon7192p who said the challenge run failed?
oWo
@@biscuitboi3561 don't read the comments before watching a video??
@@Skelsky I browse
I skimmed the title and read it as "can you beat a hippo with a toddler"
That's basically what this turned into
Well, can you?
No you didn't. Just like every other person didn't who makes comments like this.
@@jakecooper5855 you okay?
I mean, you can, but the hippo will get angry & I don't think the structural integrity of the toddler would hold up too long.
alternate tile: Man gets driven to insanity while trying to do a stupid challange
Ye
Tiddies is my favorite pokemon acronym now
Tiddies are a favorite of mine too
That was an amazing joke, hurt my sides 10/10
Its not even pokemon. That's something very common in programming... Including the dies part...
"The chance of this occurring would be 1 in 10-"
Oh, well that's not that ba-
QUINDECILLION
oh...
While the effort you put into figuring out the damage formula is impressive, weedle learns poison sting at level 1...
That was the answer. It's embarrassing that it took me 4 hours to figure that out though
Mostly because I didn't know how poison worked
@@ChallengerAndyOfficial LOL
why would this solve it?
@@tandapanda7222 Poison does 1/8 of total health, so all you have to do is survive 8 turns
this is the pinnacle of convoluted pokemon self- challenge videos
This man is THE definition of a chad. Although you should do a run where every wild pokemon is Gwyn.
I legitimately want to do like Super Mario 64 but every enemy is Gwyn but of course that could never happen could it.
@@ChallengerAndyOfficial Bruh imagine goomba stomping gwyn.
@Psyche I wish
@@ChallengerAndyOfficial It could. A polygwyn can wield a firebar sword and chase from across each map. He one hit kills of course and can leap the castle.
@@ChallengerAndyOfficial I'm sure there's someone in the Romhacking community who'd either do it for free, or whom you could comission to do it. Doesn't sound too hard to make a model that looks somewhat like Gwyn and make it act somewhat like Gwyn, assuming that's all you're doing. That and replacing every enemy with him. Based on what I've seen people do with SM64 Romhacks, what you're asking doesn't sound all that complex.
I can just imagine Andy pulling up this behemoth every time he doesn’t know if a move will kill
whenever the hoppip's healthbar is entirely depleted, the universe will end
Why. Weedle knows Poison Sting. Judging by the end of this video, you know this. Why did you do this to yourself?
it took me 4 hours to realize that (I think the main problem is that it worked differently than I thought it did). But I had already put 4 hours of effort into this, so I was like let's go a little longer and make a video. I didn't foresee it would cause this much suffering
Damn... shouldn't have looked at the comments, I wanted to guess the answer myself.
Hell yeah, I was thinking spinark but yeah poison sting! Only way
Poison sting is an attacking move!
@@nuggetpotato5471 but you can just spam attempt to 1st turn catch him
Wow, those are somehow even lower odds than Dream's speed run luck.
Must be a 1 in a 7.5 trillion chance
this is insane levels of effort for literally no reason. I respect the shit out of you and am waiting for you to blow the hell up from great videos like this!
Hey Andy, I just wanna say: it’s absolutely criminal that your channel doesn’t have more views. Not only is your humor on point, your videos are also fascinating as hell to watch. I love seeing the research and details in each video. I’m definitely recommending your channel to everyone I can. Keep up the good work! 👌
Thank you, I really appreciate it!
18:55 is such a good moment. Dude your script writing ability is nuts. Hilarious every time
Thanks! I'm trying to get better and better at it, but I am super proud of that part specifically. I spent a HUGE amount of time on the visuals, and it came out great!
Absolute bruh moment
Found you from you Gwyn Run, just dropping a comment to say I really enjoy your challenges and to encourage you to keep making content! You've got great focus and will, I enjoy your vids a lot!
Thank you! Working on videos constantly, next one will be out maybe end of October
Your editing is phenomenal and I love it with every fabric of my being. Keep suffering my masochist friend.
Thank you! Means a lot
This video has inspired me to create random mathematical formulas for extremely specific and miniscule goals in games that don't involve catching monsters in the wild to make them fight other wild monsters.
When in doubt, The Cave of Dragonflies has the correct answer
This is some kind of new masokism
I wanted to stop but I had already put too much effort into it aaa
That TIDDIES joke was god tier
but you could have said at 17:42 "the decimals are "cross-chopped" off
rest of the video, subbed, incredible work
Thanks!
Man, why aren't all math principles taught in terms of beating a level 100 hoppip? You explained the math very good, I am astounded at how long it is, it must've been hell to write
An important detail was left out: how many times would you have leveled up?
Assuming a wild level 100 Hoppip gives 1057 EXP, and Totodile is in the Medium Slow experience group, that would bring it from level 5 to level 12 and its Attack from 16 to 31. Another victory would result in three more level ups. Pity it’s not Gen V or later, or the level difference would result in a lot more EXP.
I leveled to 11, but not sure if it was from a hoppip or not. It was extremely disappointing
And this is the question I was wonder a out.
I love how you turned a children's game about cute virtual creatures into a bottomless pit of suffering. Enduring all that despair takes some serious motivation.
"there was some fuckery afoot" is my new favourite thing
No one:
Andy finding a way to rewrite "rounding down" as "tiddies": *Sometimes, I'm a genius. All the time.*
When I'm ignoring my highschool math classes so I can watch a video of a man ranting about highschool level math, but it's math from a video game so it's more interesting I swear
Haha basically.
That Rattata is in the TOP PERCENTAGE OF ALL RATTATA
A very respectable way to descend into complete math-induced madness
Was talking to my brother about damagage formulas today and I remembered this video so I showed it to him, and he wanted to figure out what the highest level hoppip you could defeat with a Lv. 1 Totodile in the best-case scenario. So we did some calculations, and you can actully come very close by doing up to 204 damage to a Lv. 98 Hoppip (176 HP) without even using Hoothoots if you Leer 6 times. Lv. 99 is when the defense integer increases and it becomes impossible.
love how much you went into detail on the formula, honestly really interesting to learn about stuff i'll forget the details of within the hour
After watching this and your Gwyn videos, I respect you so much. The amount of effort you put into your content is insane, specially for such a small content creator. I hope you grow your channel to insane heights, because you deserve at least 10+ times more views than what you are getting, you have just earned a fan.
Yay! I hope I can continue to meet your expectations!
“Can you beat a level 100 with a level 5”
Me- sounds interesting I bet he can I wonder how
*22 minute long video*
Oh god
Level 5 is too high. He'll need a level 1 pokemon
On the path to discovering a way to beat pokemon 95 levels higher than yours, he went mad pouring his remaining sanity into doing manual damage calculations. He may not have discovered what he was looking for, but he uncovered falsehoods in a fanmade calculator and a wiki article for a 21-year-old game.
Now this is a Dream's luck level threat
i dont know why the line "since totodile never won a battle" was so funny to me. it just is
You need to basically be a rocket scientist to understand how one critter hits another
This franchise is golden
Andy, I knew you were crazy. I saw you complete Subspace Emissary and ensure you never needed jumps or up specials. I saw you wade through an entire ocean of gross incandescence. You’ve begun the same process with freaking Gael. I never would have thought you were absolutely mad enough to reevaluate the entire field of pokemon study over a freaking hoppip. Who’s going to build a plaque to commemorate this scholar in the years to come?
Thank you for the kind words. My upcoming video will reveal another mechanic in a game that as far as I know is completely unheard of
@@ChallengerAndyOfficial I am horrified. But interested.
This and your all Gwyn video are easily the best content on UA-cam. Keep up the great work, can't wait to see more
That equation explanation, not only was crazy, but also interesting and useful!
TIDDIES is literally the greatest acronym joke I've ever heard.
THIS is how you give people a reason to learn high level math lol. I'd've paid attention if it was to calculate for Pokémon.
I have never seen ANYTHING on you before this video, and I just want to say that you are my new favourite person.
thanks!
You're insane, man, and totally underrated. Watching this after the Gwyn videos and subscribing!
Thank you!!!
Dream got the 1 in ten quindecillion chance legit, yall just envious.
I’m just gonna go back to this video if I ever need motivation
Big maffs
I'm glad you seemed to know beforehand, that the older console systems truncate decimal values after each division. I ended up running into a weird problem in Secret of Mana, where the expected chance to hit via the known formula did simply not line up with the actual numbers during testing. And it took us way too long to figure out, that each division step truncates decimals
Fascinating video, thank you for taking us on this journey, it was quite the ride :)
nope I didn't know that until halfway through this research. I mean I guess I assumed it had to be truncated at some point, just didn't know when. It makes sense that it's after every division now
I mean, if I had to guess how you did it, and since you have already made it clear that save scumming is fair game...
You simply picked another wild pokemon with more than 1 move, including one that can miss, and attacked it before struggle became an issue. You picking Splash because then hopip does nothing was always a red herring from the start, you could already make pokemon do nothing even if they are using moves, just with the tools you allow yourself.
Caterpie, for example, lets you land a total of 75 moves before it struggles, which means that if you can get it low enough in just 75 moves that it kills itself, you can just switch a pokemon you want leveled for a sacrificial lamb, attack 74 times and get it when caterpie inevitably knocks its target and itself out. Of course you wouldn't have pokemon that can attack 74 times, so that number lowers further with each required switch out, but your primary goal is to get the caterpie low enough that it knocks itself out from struggle within 5 moves (since you can only have a team of 6).
I say Caterpie, because that's the only pokemon I know for a fact has 2 moves, but I dunno if that was the choice.
Good guess, but it's even easier. You're right about it being a red herring; I didn't want to lie and appear stupid so as to totally ignore the strategy along the lines of what you're saying. The reason I made this video is because I had spent around 6 hours researching it, then found a WAY easier method, but had spent enough time on Hoppip so I was like fuck it let's see. I did not foresee that it would take an additional 44+ hours to complete. But yeah, your strat would probably work, but it's not worth it because there is a WAY easier method.
@@ChallengerAndyOfficial inb4 one of the zubats have supersonic or something stupid like that
You're on the right track but I'm not going to say anymore. You'll feel somewhat dumb when you realize you didn't think of it sooner, like I did.
QuintaFeira12 yeah except the challenge is vs hoppip specifically. So that doesn’t really matter anymore.
@@ChallengerAndyOfficial Oh... OH.... WOW. I figured it out. You're right, it's something incredibly dumb. It's so obvious when you see it, and it's right there on your "available wild pokemon" list. Which btw, is missing Dunsparce, not that it matters.
I love u man, the only guy who willingly tortured themselves for days just to answer a shower question
All your videos are god tier I swear I'll never get tired of them
Thanks! That's high praise
You went through a significant amount of create this video.
Underrated.
/u/mamamia1001 is a hero for stating what he did.
Holy shit this is the longest way to say "no" in recorded history, I love it
The quindecillion bit made me laugh so fucking hard. The way you said it sounded so absurdly, extremely defeated lol
The moment the paper came out covered in arcane pokerman knowlage I knew this was a classic.
Omg dude. I wish I could like your videos a dozen times. You put so much time and dedication into these. It's beautiful. And the editing is divine
Thanks! I keep getting better and better with each video!
I'm guessing you poisoned one of the Hoppips with a Weedle.
correct
Actually a caterpie but yeah
@@phdskyla5026
Caterpie doesn't get Poison Sting? Or ANY Poison moves?
@@MarioFan587YT ....
Caterpie was the pokemon that got poisoned, not a hoppip. Yes, caterpie doesn't get any poison moves, but caterpie was the one that got poisoned and then killed for xp.
Sorry, I hadn't seen the full video yet, I assumed you meant the Caterpie was the one doing the poisoning.
I may despise math and barely understood how the equation worked but I refuse to skip through any part of of your videos no matter how much my brain explodes.
now that was a gigantic rollercoaster of a video
this stuff could go on a research paper
I do work as a researcher (neuroscience)
The dedication and work put into every single one of this videos is genuinely insane. Not only are they so well researched, but they’re also incredible entertaining. This channel is underrated for sure.
Thanks!
You put way more effort into this shit than anyone would ever have to, man. You've earned yourself a new subscriber!
Thank you!
I was so ready to see you beat a level 100 Hoppip after all that math, and then the absolute crushing despair when you revealed that it wasn't possible, but then you FUCKING DID IT ANYWAY. SOMEHOW? And then you didn't tell us!?! Bro. What an emotional roller coaster.
hahahah if you searched through the comments I've answered the question since this run may not be finished for a long, long time
When you feel the base game is too easy, so you become a masochist
okay but the fact you added the stripe for the Q at 19:59 on top of an O while editing is sending me
9:13 Oh, then we just need to ask for Dream's help 😅
If Challenger Andy was a Pokemon he'd be the madlad Pokemon with the special ability of inflicting great amounts of damage to his psyche all for the sake of masochist UA-cam challenge runs (and his grateful viewers). This would occur every turn.
You sound like a villain when you reach the part of the faulty formula. And I can totally relate to posting on Reddit and receiving no help at all lmao.
Reading the title,I thought, "No."
Not gonna lie, had me sweating at a couple points.
This is one of the most entertaining challenge videos I have ever seen
Wait... wild mons have a low tier ai that picks one of the 4 moves at equal chance? Huh... I guess shiny gravellers have a secret trainer hiding somewhere telling it to explode
I CANNOT WAIT for someone at a party to ask me this question. I'm finally ready, thanks to you and your immense efforts 🙏
hahahaha
I can’t think of many worse feelings than finding out your main Internet reference has been wrong the entire time.
This is beyond insanity and i love it. Loved your gywn video too, great stuff.
Thank you!
I'm still waiting for the day this happens, even if it will never come.
I would call this frivolous but what isn't?
I'm concerned about my mental health. Why am I wasting my life having fun & being happy, when I could be doing an all gwyn run!?
Dream could get 40 perfect crits in a row
He's just really lucky.
Dude's got an amazing gaming chair.
He's such a gamer he "Accidentally" gets 40 crits in row
To be fair minecraft crits are pretty easy to pull off.
@@rowletthejowlet6241 what
This is like the pokemon equivalent of Pepe Silvia.
Of course you can, Toto is a chad and learns Ice fan... Oh... Man the work you put in this video, impressive
Great shit as always, love catching your streams
I’ve never been so upset about the conclusion to a video
Me who played all of the Pkmn Games: I fell like a completely noob
I hope you stayed hydrated today, andy. Awesome Video!
this has that same tortured scientist energy as Freeman's Mind
Honestly, blown away by not only the dedication but also the execution. Video is a fuckin blast from start to finish
Also i can't believe you didn't link the different "pictures", think of all the people wanting to do their own research...
...anyway i did it for them
Cynthia (www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/78391115 )
Lusamine (couldn't find it)
Hex Maniac (same here. i know, i'm a fraud)
Courtney and Shelly (www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/62353635 )
Cynthia again (for legal reasons, best i can do is provide the artists name: "enu")
any cultured people that got the sauce for the ones i couldn't find, do what you gotta do
I think just search the name and then "bikini"
This man just made a bully hunters reference. I forgot that even existed.
9:10
Still a better chance than 99% of all warframe item drops.
I'm becoming the type of person you are. Which for someone trying to be productive isn't a great idea. But it's such a cool idea, the auto challenge to impossible limits...
2:28 this is the the best line i've ever heard
18:51 BIG FUCKING LAMO
P.S.: Hoppip is my FAVORITE pokemon!
Makes sense why the damage calc wouldn’t work like that on Showdown, Smogon created it for competitive play and there’s no Pokemon that ever uses anything except for max stat experience since in this gen it levels all of a mon’s stats and stats would logically always be maximized on the simulator because there’s no reason not to. So there’s no need to calculate those in comp.
That's what I was thinking too
Andy are you okay?
hah