I’m someone who pitched in high school and college back in the early and mid 00s and was obsessed with mechanics. But it felt like no one else cared or knew anything about it. Really nice to see a channel like this where someone not only gets it but clearly knows way more than me. Appreciate you.
Ryan is a stud. Great torque and stays back very nicely. Surely blessed with a great arm but has put the work in to build his base and mechanical soundness. I could throw mid 90's in my day in late 80s and 90s (didn't always know where pitch was going tho..lol) thanks to a God given arm but there are so many more improvements nowadays with the training and mechanical breakdowns, etc. It's pretty incredible. In our day we did some weights, long tossed like crazy and Jobe exercises..Technology has changed everything.
While many pitchers have tweaked themselves using data from Dr Fleishman (and others) with the biomechanics labs using slo-mo cameras to get a little more power here and there, but worse mechanics overall (see all the new arm injuries over the last couple years).... don't forget that pitchers who were previously measured at 94-99mph on the Ray or Jugs systems (prior to 2015 when Statcast started) would have been measured at higher speeds (+5 to +7mph) on the Statcast system, particularly if they were throwing high-speed pitches that were affected by factors like spin, distance and elements. It's also worth noting that the Statcast system measures pitch velocity differently than the Ray and Jugs systems used prior to 2015. While the Ray and Jugs systems typically measure pitch speed closer to home plate, where the ball has already lost some speed due to external factors, the Statcast system is designed to measure pitch speed at a point closer to the pitcher's release, which has resulted in higher recorded velocities without the actual pitches being any faster than before. Just registered out of the hand vs at home plate which makes a 100mph pitcher actually throwing 94-95mph or 104mph pitcher throwing 98-99mph. Would MLB allow re-calibration of radar that brings more fans to the stadiums (you mean like tighter wound balls, lower mounds, smaller dimension fields to provide more offense) ... my guess is yes.
Great point. I myself would get up to 97 or 98 on the Jugs gun back in the day but the Ray gun would have me at 94. Jugs guns I believe were measuring arm speed whereas the Ray gun was a more accurate measuring tool as far as velocity. Today's guns probably are closer to the Jugs guns. I feel like although most of the pitchers today for sure throw harder, the hardest throwers out there today aren't throwing any harder than the hardest throwers 20-30 years ago like Nolan Ryan, Billy Wagner, Troy Percival or Randy Johnson in their primes.
I as a former pitcher it everything, strength, weight, mechanics, practice, and desire, it's important to not only throw hard but control and places pitches were they need to be, I for my size only 70 mph is all I could muster, but I threw 7 pitches, and used deception as a weapon especially against left handed batters, been a South paw myself, pitching is such an art.
15:18 I've noticed a lot of the guys throwing low 100's do that. It's almost like a batter's scissor kick the way the back leg rotates in the opposite direction
@@uhhcoolstory5627 Carter Capps, Camilo Doval, Edwin Diaz, Garret Whitelock, Jordan Romero. Helsley is the most I've seen but pretty much all flame throwers keep their back foot in line or to their glove side from where it starts until they release
His freak movement is his shoulder hip separation. At foot strike his pelvic line is near that 45 degree mark where his layback in his arm is about as far as I’ve seen without compromising healthy structures. You’re right in saying his shoulder and arm is a big part but that coupled with where his pelvis line is what’s so elite. I could train a pitcher to be strong flexible and try and get someone to see how far can we get shoulder hip separation and still come no where close to Ryan’s angles.
I think any man who is 5'9+ should be able to hit low 80s with enough practice. I do think there's physical limitations after that. To get up to 90 you need some physical gifts.
The average person can't throw over 60 cause they've never practiced, it's like saying the average person would shoot 10% from the free throw line, it would drastically increase after a few months of practice.
@@manager4409 lmao. Most people are not athletic. Most high school pitchers don’t even hit 80. And that’s really terrible lmao. There’s a reason you didn’t play college baseball. There’s a reason most people play shitty high school baseball against bums and the highlight of their career is senior night. Stop it
slow the vid down to 0.25 First thing that pops is how well he sits down on his push leg. Next is stride length... I'd bet its over 100% of his height. (Tim Lincecum comes to mind on this) When he plants his front foot his shoulder axis nearly crosses his hip axis.... astounding torque...
The mobility in his hips are absolutely insane. I have never once seen anybody with hips as powerful and mobile as his. He could definitely do the splits
Could you consider doing a breakdown of Luis Castillo? He is my favorite baseball player even though he left the reds :(((( and I think it would greatly benefit me. Thanks! I hope you see this.
Watching this guy I see the same movement as Koufax and Seaver. Efficient and powerful. I fear that this guy may blow out his arm throwing such hard sliders. I hope he develops a good curve, which would give his arm relief from throwing so hard, so often.
Now I’m a essential noob but the worry with me is that knee motion when that back leg moves idk that just makes me think he’s a throw away from tearing a meniscus
When you’re generating this much drive force power into your front leg you have to fall off after release. This guy is strong as a bull look how big his legs and glutes are.
A combination of genetics and mechanics to be sure, but until he does it for almost 27 years as a starter who actually finishes games, while dealing half dozen (or more) no-hitters and records over 5500 Ks, the word....."freak" to describe a pitcher belongs to 1 human and ONLY 1 human.
Throwing very hard is less about the arm and more about using your entire body to throw a baseball. Anyone that just uses his arm to throw will not be throwing hard for very long. :)
Are you of the opinion that they don’t exist? Depending on a person’s genetics, fast-twitch muscles, or ‘complex’ muscle fibers, can exist anywhere throughout the body. Those who make it to the top tier of a given sport are those who have them throughout *most* of their body.
@@solophentii3468 Well there's that!! By that I mean it's complete buuuullschido!!! You have zero idea what you're taking about here, ftr! As someone who had a 43" standing vertical jump and could get his head over the basket ball rim , at 6' tall, lemme just clue you in on a little lives secret... YOU DON'T KNOW, CAUSE YOU WERE NEVER THAT GUY!! It's internal, heart , passion, desire thing!!! It s how certain individuals express themselves. Same reason black folks who tend to have more great athletes, are so high strung, physical oriented, passionate, and volatile! Science doesn't know, cause they don't want to know! Fast twitch muscles?! What a joke,! -that came from a bunch of know nothings, regurgitating what they read in some stupid books at a liberal College! Um, yeah, you're wrong, and absolutely so
@@solophentii3468 OH, btw, I guess maybe my fast twitch muscles that had me running a 4:28 40 yd dash as a young man all must have miraculously disappeared from my body as I got older, because I can no longer do any of that stuff! Turns out those fast twitch muscles must have disintegrated some how and floated away. Bawha!!!
@@brianchristopher4666 Nice try, man. You're the first troll to absolutely nail the whole 'dim-witted, misanthropic boomer who peaked in high school/45 years ago, and thinks all science is fake' character. I've been around too long to know no one's really that stupid though 😂
Batting .720 that would have been .350 in the majors....thats a career meat...u know when u messed up when my moms dad was really expecting me to go to show...motorcycles were more important....sorry...what were u saying....
His hands and leg are in sink. If thats in sink, his or everyones release point will be on time. Also, the weight of his body are on the balls of his feet.
Let’s not talk about his ‘yakd’ and explosive lower half transferring energy into his dynamic trunk to allow his long whippy arm action to deliver with clean mechanics
@@tompeake8583 your comments add zero to the conversation. i mean, not even an original idea or comment on pitching mechanics be it in agreement or disagreement. but thanks for the thoughtful question/comment.
I’m someone who pitched in high school and college back in the early and mid 00s and was obsessed with mechanics. But it felt like no one else cared or knew anything about it. Really nice to see a channel like this where someone not only gets it but clearly knows way more than me. Appreciate you.
Ryan is a stud. Great torque and stays back very nicely. Surely blessed with a great arm but has put the work in to build his base and mechanical soundness. I could throw mid 90's in my day in late 80s and 90s (didn't always know where pitch was going tho..lol) thanks to a God given arm but there are so many more improvements nowadays with the training and mechanical breakdowns, etc. It's pretty incredible. In our day we did some weights, long tossed like crazy and Jobe exercises..Technology has changed everything.
man wtf if you learned how to locate your pitches you could have been a hall of famer mid 90s in the 80s and 90s is like prime chapman now
While many pitchers have tweaked themselves using data from Dr Fleishman (and others) with the biomechanics labs using slo-mo cameras to get a little more power here and there, but worse mechanics overall (see all the new arm injuries over the last couple years).... don't forget that pitchers who were previously measured at 94-99mph on the Ray or Jugs systems (prior to 2015 when Statcast started) would have been measured at higher speeds (+5 to +7mph) on the Statcast system, particularly if they were throwing high-speed pitches that were affected by factors like spin, distance and elements.
It's also worth noting that the Statcast system measures pitch velocity differently than the Ray and Jugs systems used prior to 2015. While the Ray and Jugs systems typically measure pitch speed closer to home plate, where the ball has already lost some speed due to external factors, the Statcast system is designed to measure pitch speed at a point closer to the pitcher's release, which has resulted in higher recorded velocities without the actual pitches being any faster than before. Just registered out of the hand vs at home plate which makes a 100mph pitcher actually throwing 94-95mph or 104mph pitcher throwing 98-99mph. Would MLB allow re-calibration of radar that brings more fans to the stadiums (you mean like tighter wound balls, lower mounds, smaller dimension fields to provide more offense) ... my guess is yes.
Great point. I myself would get up to 97 or 98 on the Jugs gun back in the day but the Ray gun would have me at 94. Jugs guns I believe were measuring arm speed whereas the Ray gun was a more accurate measuring tool as far as velocity. Today's guns probably are closer to the Jugs guns. I feel like although most of the pitchers today for sure throw harder, the hardest throwers out there today aren't throwing any harder than the hardest throwers 20-30 years ago like Nolan Ryan, Billy Wagner, Troy Percival or Randy Johnson in their primes.
I as a former pitcher it everything, strength, weight, mechanics, practice, and desire, it's important to not only throw hard but control and places pitches were they need to be, I for my size only 70 mph is all I could muster, but I threw 7 pitches, and used deception as a weapon especially against left handed batters, been a South paw myself, pitching is such an art.
15:18 I've noticed a lot of the guys throwing low 100's do that. It's almost like a batter's scissor kick the way the back leg rotates in the opposite direction
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You’re exactly right, I just thought the same thing to myself! Good catch on that
@@uhhcoolstory5627 Carter Capps, Camilo Doval, Edwin Diaz, Garret Whitelock, Jordan Romero. Helsley is the most I've seen but pretty much all flame throwers keep their back foot in line or to their glove side from where it starts until they release
His freak movement is his shoulder hip separation. At foot strike his pelvic line is near that 45 degree mark where his layback in his arm is about as far as I’ve seen without compromising healthy structures. You’re right in saying his shoulder and arm is a big part but that coupled with where his pelvis line is what’s so elite. I could train a pitcher to be strong flexible and try and get someone to see how far can we get shoulder hip separation and still come no where close to Ryan’s angles.
Mechanics are helpful and being strong, but to throw over 85 mph is a gift. The average person couldn’t throw over 60 mph
I think any man who is 5'9+ should be able to hit low 80s with enough practice. I do think there's physical limitations after that. To get up to 90 you need some physical gifts.
I can throw 110mph. Not that difficult.
The average person can't throw over 60 cause they've never practiced, it's like saying the average person would shoot 10% from the free throw line, it would drastically increase after a few months of practice.
I threw 86 once
@@manager4409 lmao. Most people are not athletic. Most high school pitchers don’t even hit 80. And that’s really terrible lmao. There’s a reason you didn’t play college baseball. There’s a reason most people play shitty high school baseball against bums and the highlight of their career is senior night. Stop it
slow the vid down to 0.25
First thing that pops is how well he sits down on his push leg.
Next is stride length... I'd bet its over 100% of his height. (Tim Lincecum comes to mind on this)
When he plants his front foot his shoulder axis nearly crosses his hip axis.... astounding torque...
That backwards k on Mookie is wild
Could please do a breakdown of Yu Darvishs mechanics? 🙏
The mobility in his hips are absolutely insane. I have never once seen anybody with hips as powerful and mobile as his. He could definitely do the splits
Could you consider doing a breakdown of Luis Castillo? He is my favorite baseball player even though he left the reds :(((( and I think it would greatly benefit me. Thanks! I hope you see this.
As a Phillies fan I love Ryan Helsey
You should love Ollie Marmol for trusting him to get a 5 out save
Second year pitcher Durand for the twins, has touched 104 several times in spring games.throws a slider At 90 plus change up 89 plus.
Clase throws a 102mph cutter
We all have the capacity to be outstanding in at least one area. those who are outstanding in many areas are those who throw 104 in the strike zone
Lets gooo! Finally, a breakdown video.
Been waiting for this!!!
Watching this guy I see the same movement as Koufax and Seaver. Efficient and powerful. I fear that this guy may blow out his arm throwing such hard sliders. I hope he develops a good curve, which would give his arm relief from throwing so hard, so often.
Now I’m a essential noob but the worry with me is that knee motion when that back leg moves idk that just makes me think he’s a throw away from tearing a meniscus
Killer breakdown as usual!
Could you breakdown gerrit coles mechanic’s?
His mechanic's what?
Cab yall breakdown Sunny Gray?
Have you noticed any patterns between forearm to humerus ratio and short vs long arm paths
When you’re generating this much drive force power into your front leg you have to fall off after release. This guy is strong as a bull look how big his legs and glutes are.
Ryan Helsley has so much cake😭
My brother’s starving
I'm glad you noted how important genetics are. It's genetics + mechanics. One without the other you're going to be limited on what you can be.
Genetics may be the difference between 95 and 100 but it can't be an excuse for guys throwing 79 not being able to climb
@@tompeake8583 I think most men should be able to get close to 80-85. 90+ I think genetics are a big factor.
back in 1982 Uncle Rico could throw a ball over some mountains. 😲
He definitely puts all his hatred towards the Braves tomahawk chop with that kind of speed.
Greg maddux, Nolan Ryan, or Randy johnson
“Fanny packs” 😂, shots fired pfa
A combination of genetics and mechanics to be sure, but until he does it for almost 27 years as a starter who actually finishes games, while dealing half dozen (or more) no-hitters and records over 5500 Ks, the word....."freak" to describe a pitcher belongs to 1 human and ONLY 1 human.
Nolan Friggin' Ryan!!!
Honestly, looking at Tom Seaver ... see the same long arm action, I think.
Where do the Cardinals find these guys?
Can you throw like a pitcher like this if your short does height play a role and if so what does a shorter pitcher have to make up
Here's a video we did on a shorter guy throwing 103 and how limb lengths can affect velocity:
ua-cam.com/video/VhVRauk-OtA/v-deo.html
I just don’t get how he can stabilize the front leg. His pelvis has barley rotated into ffs. Why does that position work?
I disagree, it looks very much rotated
I have great mechanics.
They help me get 200,000 miles out of my car. The best. 👍
Yamamoto Yoshinobu please! Or hiromi itoh!!
1:25 isn’t this a drop 3rd strike.
The Catcher didn’t catch it in flight.
Look at the power in his push off. That's the secret
Dang I’m getting the shorts first but not the real videos
Your shorts are too tight, numbnuts.
I’ve never seen mechanics like this, wow, he could probably do the splits lol
Throwing very hard is less about the arm and more about using your entire body to throw a baseball. Anyone that just uses his arm to throw will not be throwing hard for very long. :)
He is throwing 100 without raising leg😮
I want someone to point me out on an anatomy chart, which muscles are the fast twitch muscle fibers! That'll be a hoot!
Are you of the opinion that they don’t exist? Depending on a person’s genetics, fast-twitch muscles, or ‘complex’ muscle fibers, can exist anywhere throughout the body. Those who make it to the top tier of a given sport are those who have them throughout *most* of their body.
@@solophentii3468 Well there's that!! By that I mean it's complete buuuullschido!!! You have zero idea what you're taking about here, ftr! As someone who had a 43" standing vertical jump and could get his head over the basket ball rim , at 6' tall, lemme just clue you in on a little lives secret... YOU DON'T KNOW, CAUSE YOU WERE NEVER THAT GUY!! It's internal, heart , passion, desire thing!!! It s how certain individuals express themselves. Same reason black folks who tend to have more great athletes, are so high strung, physical oriented, passionate, and volatile!
Science doesn't know, cause they don't want to know! Fast twitch muscles?! What a joke,! -that came from a bunch of know nothings, regurgitating what they read in some stupid books at a liberal College!
Um, yeah, you're wrong, and absolutely so
@@solophentii3468 OH, btw, I guess maybe my fast twitch muscles that had me running a 4:28 40 yd dash as a young man all must have miraculously disappeared from my body as I got older, because I can no longer do any of that stuff! Turns out those fast twitch muscles must have disintegrated some how and floated away. Bawha!!!
@@brianchristopher4666 Nice try, man. You're the first troll to absolutely nail the whole 'dim-witted, misanthropic boomer who peaked in high school/45 years ago, and thinks all science is fake' character. I've been around too long to know no one's really that stupid though 😂
YOU REALY ANNOYED ME WITH THE PITCH DELAY. SPEED IT UP TO KEEP MORE VIEWEVERS.............
Speed up YourAss.
Outta here.
Why he gettin notified before us
Dawg Mentality
@@treadathletics don't poke the bear
@@therealbs2000👈 What's this? Bear Shit?
☝️😂
@@TheBatugan77 why did you not ask if it was bat shit
The Cardinals have or have had serious flame throwers.
Notice he don't short arm the ball. 🧐
Except Usain Bolt doesn’t really have good mechanics and relies more on his freakish talent, which is a scary thought.
The pitch ain't impressive. What's impressive to me, is the batter being able to hit it.
Batting .720 that would have been .350 in the majors....thats a career meat...u know when u messed up when my moms dad was really expecting me to go to show...motorcycles were more important....sorry...what were u saying....
no, it's the same first name
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His hands and leg are in sink. If thats in sink, his or everyones release point will be on time. Also, the weight of his body are on the balls of his feet.
Damn missed first
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Absolutely Unhittable
Except it isn't.
@@TheBatugan77 except it is
Hahahah fanny packs
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Let’s not talk about his ‘yakd’ and explosive lower half transferring energy into his dynamic trunk to allow his long whippy arm action to deliver with clean mechanics
What
@@tompeake8583 your comments add zero to the conversation. i mean, not even an original idea or comment on pitching mechanics be it in agreement or disagreement. but thanks for the thoughtful question/comment.