The Enneagram: The Discernment of Spirits (Conclusion)
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2018
- Spoken and Written by Richard Rohr. All credit, respect, and my thanks goes to him and his team
Disclaimer: I didn't make this nor do I inherently agree with everything spoken. (Additional Disclaimer in comment section)
This series is made years ago back when DVD's were a thing and so I've spent weeks trying to hunt down the video files until I found them on Vimeo. - Розваги
Disclaimer #2: I am not a Christian so don't take me upload this as some sort of endorsement of Christianity or any religion.
The Enneagram is one of those useful analysis tools that exists and was locked away in a vault stolen from mankind in the same vein as the Vatican "can't find" all of Epicurus' writings. It's a valuable tool that allows for a good MATERIAL ANALYSIS and spiritual analysis of the human race and how it operates on a personality level.
I encourage you to watch this series start to finish and reflect. I also encourage you to not take the Christian elements too seriously and employ rationality to it.
Ultimately though I don't care what you do with this information.
No you do not have the right to comment. I will delete if it suits me.
No I don't give a damn who "found" or "discovered" the Enneagram first. I'm stripping it of religious connotations to make it more efficient.
If you have any more significant questions on the Enneagram on a material, personal, or literature level my a friends and I are happy to start a conversation.
You are an 8
Wow... I *REALLY* don't mean this in a denigrating or belittling way at ALL, but I gotta say, I just find it incredibly disappointing that, non-religious tho you may be, you couldn't just state that personal stance for whatever clarifying quality might seem appropriate or necessary, but then you also felt you had to go on to assert your opinion of how the religious aspect here needs to be stripped away due to its supposed inefficiency or irrationality or your perspective that it shouldn't be taken "too seriously." But I guess for whatever it's worth, I afford you your right to feel that way - even if you may not afford me my right to feel however I feel (or the right to comment to that effect and you delete such things if it suits you).
And sincerely, thank you for posting all of these, in ANY case!
I really enjoyed how the authors of the bible stripped it of its Christianity.
Thank you for posting this, I find Father Richard Rohr to be a very good teacher of things. I don't mind his "religiosity", some people need this to be enlightened.
Probably not everyone as we are all different in some way but I do feel that religiousness is the efficient way for some people.
I also don't care who discovered/found the Enneagram, if it helps people, then that's great. If the story of Jesus Christ helps, that's great too.
But again, I disagree with the idea that religiousness makes something less rational. Human beings have developed a sense of faith because it is a rational, logical evolution for them and has allowed them to make and do things other animals (literally) couldn't dream of.
5:30 3’s & their wings
7:04 4’s & their wings
8:25 if 4’s don’t have their solitude they become superficial artists
9:38 4 is right brain & 5 is left brain, integration
21:25 arrows
27:26 4’s arrow is 1
The arrows are who you were
29:45 5’s arrow to 8’s
35:00 disintergration; take worst qualities of the #
54:43 enneagram helps you stop taking things so personally. That’s just their #, let them be
Thank you!!
Thank you for this wonderful explanation of the Enneagram. As a 9, it has given me confirmation about my traits and how I am managing my life's journey. All the best to you.
16:59 The part where he forgets the 9 oh my god.
Haha as a 9 I was like ‘well he did talk about it with 1’s and 8’s - I guess that’s all we need to know’
Totally classic ✌😁✌ I'm so good at being invisible I see and hear all kinds of interesting things 😂
😂 Richard already confessed: “they’re so easy to overlook.” 😆
@@9Steps2Ugly SAME!!! XD
At about the 53 minute mark, he references the year as 2004, for those who were asking the date of this recording.
And he talks about Trump.
@@davidmarilley6060 Man that was weird. Especially when he was talking about how Americans always elect "winners" who are 3's. Trump is a quintessential three.
@@algorithmafrica6678 Trump is an 873 tritype.
when he says dancing can be a 4’s way of a “concious communion with god” i felt that
Blessing
And David danced before the Lord with all his might, wearing a priestly garment. 2Sam 6:14
Oh thanks - Forget the 9! Story of my life!
Your efforts that have led to the publication of this series is greatly appreciated. It has been far too long since I last heard anything on the enneagram from a refreshed perspective.
Thank you.
1:00 wings
5:00
10:00 wings type 5, books
20:00 find your type. Type 6 questioners
21:30 integration
26:25 Donald Trump
35:00 disintegration
40:00 USA is not a traditional culture
50:00 you are one type
Thank you!!
Thank you SO much for posting these!!! It's a real service! I never really got the point of the enneagram or understood it until I listened to Rohr explain it. So much better than reading books about it. Thank you!
Thank you for posting this series. I studied the subject several years ago and needed a referesher.
Thanks for posting. I am a Christian and I find it refreshing and encouraging that you have the respect and courage to post this even though you don’t endorse Richard’s viewpoint in its entirety. This series has been very helpful for me in exploring my number.
Thank you so much for sharing this series of lectures. I really enjoyed it.
Such a long and through lecture, thank you for uploading it!
Thank you so much for uploading these ❤❤❤
I've had this going around my head for months, I'd almost given up, being certain that I was the one true exception that was a mixture of all. Then when I heard that phrase that Richard says often "we're all addicted to our own way of thinking/feeling", I caught myself thinking "I don't know what my own way of thinking/feeling even is, I'm addicted to other people's way of thinking/feeling (whoever is the person I've attached myself too)!....then so many memories poured through my mind of a very codependent relationship which began with someone exclaiming to me "I need you, I need you! I can't manage without you!" And I was hooked from that point, so definitely a 2. Odd thing is, I've been avoiding being needed since then, as it triggers too many memories of the trouble it got me into, hence it being even harder to discern. I thought how I don't ever get oppositional like the 8 2s are meant to disintegrate to, because I'm far too passive and unconfident for that, but then realised that I can be silently screaming oppositional energy these days which is a very conflicted way to be, and it's so helpful having that finally exposed. This is all extremely helpful.
You sound like a Nine.. they usually identify with all types, but only you can determine that 😎
This is absolutely amazing. Thanks again
Amazing! Before Richard said it, realizing I was a 7, I was thinking that I was contemplative and analytical as a child, so it doesn't fit. Then he says when you are doing well you go to a 5, which is what you were like as a child! I'm sold.
Thank you very much for sharing this priceless knowledge CherryBoy. Surely I say this, priceless, as being a true Type 5 :D Yeah, Enneagram seems to be dauntingly precise... What's more, Richard is just fascinating conveying all this wisdom. All respect to him from my heart's content! Keep the video in place, more and more people are going to flock here.
Regards from Hungary, Europe
I know that I'm a 9 because I got really miffed that he had very little to say about 9s . When I looked deeper into the eneagram I kind of got it confirmed 😊. The eneagram is a very useful tool I think
9 is hard to spot. I landed in it in the aerogram, since I was very much a 3 as a child but traumas made it impossible to uphold. I kinda reside in a 9 attitude to life without actually wanting to be there. Fittingly though, I very much need a guiding "context" to be able to come back to action so I'm quite sure I'm actually a 9 after all..
Thank you for putting this on youtube! V
GREAT VIDEO, VERY INFORMATIVE.I am a 3 w 2..., My greatest gift is the discernment of Spirits. I've been a reborn Christian for 22 years also. . Also I am an ENFJ.
Grateful for this.
I /We are indeed on a Mission from God!! I would love 💕 to celebrate this as openly andHappily as The Blues Brothers do!!! Much love to and for US ALL,!
I hope we see you in Norway one day. Thanks a lot
I'm an 8. With a 7 son and 2 daughter. God help me!
Cannot thank you enough!
Thanks for sharing this!
This was awesome, thnx for sharing =) I always thought I was a type 9, kinda wish I was but it took these vids to realise I'm actually more of type 4 heh~
Me too
m a 9, and as a child I was 3ish. I agree with what he said. I used to like to put on shows and perform for family and family friends. When I was little, I looked forward to one day having a day job lol I didn’t really care what it was. I just wanted to be responsible for something.
I’ll add, my parents put me in school early because I wanted to go so badly. I wanted to get my life started!
Finally, it was interesting what he said about body types and walking prayer. My significant other is a 1. Both of us pace a lot. We pace around the house as we think and talk to ourselves like maniacs.
I do have doubts I’m not a 5, though. I wish he talked more about that childhood. My family script was very much “be easygoing”. We had mantras like “everything will be ok in the end”. And my family is full of gut types, 9s and w9s. I find myself not sure if I’m a 9 or just told to be a 9.
Allow me to recommend Riso and Hudson's "Personality Types". The book dropped into my lap 24 years ago and I've been studying the Enneagram ever since. I've seen much training and discussion groups and 'typed' almost everyone I know. Instructors encouraged me to become a teacher but I'm always a student. I'm a Five.
Cheers and don't give up learning more 🌛
@@KennethDonnellyStargazer21 I'm reading Wisdom of the Enneagram at the moment, which I think it probably similar in content. After reading about head types, I am only considering head types now for myself. Funny that I relate to feeling 3 as a child, though.
I have a very 6 friend. When she's totally in her 6 space she can be brutally cruel, run roughshod over people ... and wow can she get things done. But she has a lively 7 wing. It's impossible not to laugh with her. She resists play tooth and nail ... even just going for coffee needs a purpose and is on the clock ... but when she manages to visit her 7 space, you won't find a more delightful companion. As a 9, I find her exhausting! ... but worth it (most of the time 😉)
I am so confused on which one I am. I've sat and pondered it forever now. I think I have identity issues or something, or I'm just a total outcast weirdo, IDK. There's never once in my life been a tool like this that I thought accurately encapsulated me, and it's not because of arrogance or me hiding my flaws, because I see TONS of the flaws here applying to me. It makes me cynical, thinking, "ehh, life is way too nuanced for a tool like this," but perhaps that's me and not the tool. Can anyone help me? I kind of associated with 4 in ways, but also 6 and also 7 and also 9. I'm so confused here. I've always had struggles identifying myself.
I would prefer to have learned this over algebra in school. Learning different ways to understand people can be helpful at work and in all kinds of relationships.
'Who am I apart from my husband? Who am I apart from my mother? And it doesn't mean rebelliousness it just means truthfulness.'
Amen! Thank you, Jesus! The Teaching is for the children. We are the children when we remember that we started out by pretending; and then we forgot that we were pretending and it became 'real'. Being Christian has nothing to with going to church anymore than being a Doctor has to do with going to Medical School. Church is the School, if you are blessed to be in one founded on original Principles presented in more understandable ways addressing people as they are, where they are; find the right teachers and there will be no limits, and then you by long patience work accumulate and embody the Teaching, acquiring the necessary tools for living creatively in the World around you. Wherever I am, I am in Church, that's the meaning of the Church Universal (Catholic). The best poetry can give no more than hints and indications of "Something" in us that we have forgotten. And our purpose here is to remember it. Our First Love!
As a 9, I have a very hard time expressing my beliefs and values. I always get laughed at or challenged (aggressively) or (metaphorically)patted on the head. It’s very difficult to not retreat, though there are exceptions when I’m so impassioned I can’t stop.
I think maybe some people are most comfortable with seeing me as a quietly compliant borderline non-entity, and when I step out of perceived character, they feel threatened because I’m not who they’re comfortable thinking I am? 🤔
Loved this; knew who people were in my life pretty much straight away!
Is it possible to be more than one of these, or even between numbers, as I identify very strongly with both 4 and 5.
I am both creative and academic, though funnily enough, I ascribed my love of symbolism more to my academic side, due to it taking a deep intelligence to appreciate them!
4w5 or 5w4
I'm a four wing Five and understand completely 😎
It´s so true about the 4 have to have there on studio/space. I´m an artist and need to have that, to exist. In the 3 type/the 3 countrys i´m 6-8-4. My type is 6.
Much of the talk I’ve heard from Suzanne Stabile and Ian Cron (and their guests) on podcasts makes wings sound like they are relatively stable traits like the core number and people tend only toward one wing. They make reference to people who are “all four” or a “five wing four.”
Richard made it sound as if everyone by default has both wings, though they don’t discover or express their wings all the time. If the wings help stabilize your core number to be more effective in life, wouldn’t it make sense to make your wings the focus of your self development exercises?
Where does he talk about which wings go with which types? I'm pretty sure I'm a 9, definitely a peacemaker and can't get a word in edgewise in a conversation.
Wow. At 40:38, a question is asked about the US as a 3 with it’s integration/disintegration being a 6. Rohr even mentions “trumped up” traditions - obviously without knowledge of what was to happen now when we’re in contention with the tendency to fundamentalism we’re currently living through. A stunningly prescient question.
Need further character explanation for #7. Thanks
I'm pretty sure 3 reads lots of books. Business books, economics, etc.
The soul theory seems to always work because all of the 9 types exist within us, so when asked to find evidence for a type as a kid we can cherry pick those experiences that fit the theory.
Three notes for later: 2 & 4 wings 5:29, integration to a traditional family child 6 25:44, disintegration to a boring 9 34:15 the pray breaks the mission down 58:49
Well, after hours of listening I get confirmation that I'm a solid 5, and then he hits me that when I'm integrated I'm to arrow to an 8, and disintegrate into a 7?
Gotta rewind to the last video...
I get the feeling this guy doesn’t like 6s
I am compulsively a 4 with a 5 wing.
2Tim4:3-4 :
"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine
but, following their own desires and insatiable curiosity,
will accumulate teachers and will stop listening to the truth
and will be div
I agree. Thank God we’re getting back to listening to the truth again through Richard Rohr, who helps us challenge our core desires, by understanding them, and challenging our sin... because that’s ultimately the point of this... you’ll never know salvation if you don’t understand why you need it
...incredible UA-cam video of guru testimony titled: "Rabi Maharaj - Dangers of Hinduism, Yoga and Zen Buddhis"....
Contemplation is just making sense of all the thinking that you did. Taking the useful, and throwing away the useless. You are still thinking while doing so lol. I think the (limited) ways not to think, are to die or to sleep a fortunate night with no dreams or nightmares.
That's not actually true. If you are thinking, you are not practicing contemplation. It is not something that can be done by the intellect.
We actually do this sleeping phenonomon every night. It is called nREM sleep, or non-rapid eye movement sleep.
Definitely right about Ireland. They invented the term 'the Craic' which means 'taking the piss' or joking and dancing and laughing and having a laugh at each other's expense. Definitely not a 4. I'm a 4. I know 4. The Irish are not 4. If any country is 4 it is Russia.
Well after all that I find I ' m a 9 .1 & 8 . With a few integrated characteristic behaviors of other no' S. G-d Bless you FROM.(think he has,I'm sure). Caleb R.
I don't agree with the narcissism of the 4s, self centeredness yes definitely but when I was faced with a narcissists in my life, it was with no exception with a 3 or a 2wing 3. After all, narcissism is manipulation... To be a narcissist, you have to be obscessed with people... a philosopher can't care less and has no interest having someone under his/her thomb... yes he/she is very self centered ... they also need to get out of their heads because they are most scared of their heart qualities...
I agree, this is spot on. Fours care deeply about understanding themselves, but their self centredness is not being malignant or mean to others, its a quest for authenticity, which in itself is healthy and to be applauded. Narcissism is having a false image of yourself and doing things for the sake of success or image, that I have definitely seen in 3, running over other ppl to get to their plan and manipulating others.
Dear Lord, I'm a 9, nooooooooooo!!!
Very frustrating. I don't quite know where the fuck I am in this system.
How is this different from star signs?
It's not. It's a picture, a map if you will, to discover the workings of the inner self - the psyche. Astrology does the same thing. It's not meant to be provable in the outer, physical sense - that is not where these energies resides. Astrology works, but in a completely different way than it's daughter astronomy.
If it doesn't resonate with you, no biggie, but you still have a psyche and it works the same way as all other psyches in this logo system..
Because it’s based on the accumulation of knowledge, rather than trusting in psychics. Astrology tells you the future, whether you’ll have a bad day or not etc, and assumes your personality is based on a random sequence of events. This says there are types of personalities based on the observations of generations and generations, it’s just a model for seeing that. We all have conversations which say “you remind me of such-and-such” etc, this is then a bunch of leaders defining that. You identify yourself, I don’t decide it for you. I don’t expect you to do anything either, just might be helpful as a tool in examining your own behaviour, a crucial part of anyone’s journey I’d say...
Donald Trump?! Wow Fr Richard and the Simpsons. Although I guess it would’ve just been a normal reference because Donald Trump is a well-known person back then too.
I think that’s roughly when The Apprentice started, but he’s been well-known since the 80s.
I hung out with Naranjo in Tepotzlan at a seminar in 1993. He, is I am sure a part of Rev. Rohr and his development. At that time Don Claudio was yet to be convinced there were bi winged personalities. This is 30 years ago, and there may be a change in his opinions, but looking back, I can understand the impulse to fabricate the theoretical, but that don´t make it so. I would be happy to hear from someone with a ¨fuck you¨, as the good Rev. says.
error on buddhist practices, walking meditation and observation of 32 parts of the body meditation are what is done when you can't sit still. same essentially occurs in daoist practices
14:29
26:23 Rohr describes what Donald Trump (the quintessential American 3) could do to find his soul
Trump is an 8. There is no way any self-respecting 3 would be seen in public with that head of hair.
@allgoodpeople ... 🙌🏽😆
@@allgoodpeople Hi I also experienced Trumps as an 8 for a long time, but I have read that Elizabeth Wagele saw him as a 3 acting as an 8. Maybe she was rigth? Or he may be an 8 that has adopted to the American 3 way? Kind regards, Ole
I think he's a counter phobic 6.
45:00
36:14 polyamory
Fr. Rohr...the ennnegram is borderline occult. Mother Angelica mentioned specifically. Like the labyrinth, which was a pilgrimage to Jerusalem during the middle ages, has degenerated to an occult practice. Please be careful! 50 yrs ago I cast personality descriptions using astrology (before computers...had to plot by hand) and charged $20 per chart. The horoscopes were uncannily accurate! I'm not talking about the horoscopes in the newspapers...they are kind of funny like fortune cookies 😄. But anything I guess could be used for evil. Please don't allow this cause an opening to another world for anyone. I was steeped in various occult practices and belief for 10+ yrs.
This is interesting, could you elaborate on this? Do you think we're not supposed to have too much self knowledge?
Donal Trump is 8 !!! Not 3... everybody keeps doing the same mistake.
He s a zerolol
26:25 Donald Trump
This is very basic enneagram stuff.