From what I see, the main reason why the pump failed was because there's so much sludge at the strainer (mesh part). Naturally, when you see that, the sludge clogs that part which will cause the vane inside the pump to be dry since it'll not receive sufficient oil to lubricate the vane, which will melt it into a charcoal feeling piece and break off.
This just happened to my 2019 GMC terrain. Thank God I was going slow and in the parking lot otherwise it could’ve been a big problem. I took it to my dealer and they’re gonna charge me $1950 to fix it. I just called GMC customer care and put in a case they said they get back to me in one or two days. This is definitely a recall issue. I have 129,000 miles on my GMC Though
This happened with my 2020 terrain. All of them have the same problem but they only recalled the 2018 and 2019 I think. I was driving on the freeway and could not stop. Was able to exit the freeway, pulled into a lot I thought was empty and ended up running into a wired fence 🤦🏾♀️
@@bo24kt depends on how bad it fails. if the vacuum pump fails internally then its like 1hr or a little less labor and part cost, which is in the 100-300 dollar range. if the pump explodes, dont be suprised when itll be 4 ish hrs, plus a valve cover gasket, many shops will quote an engine because metal shrapnel has gone through the engine, and it will raise the risk of a comeback or possibly doing the engine under warranty as they were the last shop to do it. worst case without replacing the engine the drive lobes on the camshaft can also break when the pump explodes, and doing a camshaft is going to mean more labor and cost for a new timing chain set, no legit shop will do timing work without replacing the chain, plus all the other stuff, so maybe 8-12hrs labor alone plus 500 plus or minus some for parts.
45k and this week. GM replaced both. They said i need to change my oil every 4000 instead of 5000. This car has been nothing but problems. The guy at GM told me to sell it now while it runs because my engine will blow the next time this happens
I had to pull the valve cover off and used a remote grabber tool to pick out the peices that were in the cylinder head. some smaller parts may have gotten to the oil pan or got lodged in the oil return passageways. best bet is to drop the pan and clean it out, or you could try draining the oil and running a couple quarts of fresh oil through the motor with the drain bolt still undone to try and get the shrapnel out of the pan, then fill it with oil and change the filter. note that it is possible damage has been done to the motors bearing surfaces already
@@redcatxb125yeah. It's only bad if there's metal pieces in the engine. Luckily mine was still intact except the vane, but I checked anyway and there was no metal parts in the engine. All I had to do was replace the pump and seal, and change oil. It took me hours since I never had to fix a failed mechanical pump before in my life.
Ouch, even the OE replacement part (acdelco) is now a “made in china” part, I think these things are going at random due to too loose tolerances or bad quality control
@@redcatxb125 My shop was unable to get their hands on an OEM replacement. Part was made in Mexico.No idea what mexican car parts quality is like so here's hoping
I have this issue with a 2018 equinox at work the actual reluctor ring on the exhaust cam shaft shifted code p0017 comes up can not clear it if you start the computer will recognize the issue the reluctor is pressed on instead of machined and the cam. The sensor can not read it correctly I’ve heard people line the marks back up and tap the reluctor back into position but I strongly do not recommend that method
?? has nothing to do with the vacuum pump, in your case, you would need a new camshaft. the reluctor is pressed on but the slot in the back of the cam for the VP is machined into the cam itself, so they dont correlate. its possible youre off a tooth on timing if you didnt use the cam and crank locking tools
youre looking at about 3-4 hrs labor to remove the valve cover and fish everything out, price of the new pump assuming the camshaft isnt damaged, valve cover gasket, (dont remember if it includes the vacuum pump seal) plus an oil change. not cheap but not absurd. However, some shops may quote you a new engine because of the possibility some of those fragments may have run through the engine IE main and rod bearings, oil pump. mainly to cover thier ass, they dont want to risk just trying to remove the fragments as the internals may have already been damaged.
Definitely a common issue. I just changed one out myself. Only difference, this pump failed on the inside. Still spun but no vacuum. I disassembled the pump to find metal shards inside. What poor engineers. Smh. BTW. At 60k for miles
@@redcatxb125 only on the inside. Got lucky i guess. But the car owner also didn't change his oil for at least 8500 past due. I did change it for him and advised him not to wait so long.
@@patrickstewart3184 yea those motors do not like long oil intervals and bc of the types of cars they are put in they are not well maintained most of the time
It can it just depends on if you catch it right away, if not there are likely metal fragments going through your oil system. If you take off the valve cover, remove as much metal as you can, and do a fresh oil change and filter, along with a new vacuum pump, it may be alright. Thats what i ended up doing on this car
Can this issue also cause the computer to say a bunch of sensors need to be replaced? I replaced cam shaft position sensor along with knock sensors and couple others and truck still giving me issues to start. Tomorrow I’m changing the vacuum pump as my brake pedal is hard to push down. I hope this finally fixes the issue
do you have a 1.5 turbo engine? if its setting timing code p0018 p0014 p0016 etc it could be that the camshaft that drives the vac pump may have broken. also if you're getting circuit codes for the cam and crank sensors and not timing correlation codes like mentioned above, its probably a separate issue from a failed vacuum pump. its also possible the force of the pump failing could have cause the timing chain to jump a few links.
As a matter of fact they put them in the 2018 Chevy Cruze 1.4L. I just pulled one that disintegrated the same exact way today. It completely annihilated the seal and dropped the metal inside. I don't know if you did a follow-up video are not but I would love to see it because tomorrow I have to pull valve cover
no follow up video but i did have to pull the valve cover, NOTE that the shroud is ALUMINUM! a magnet will not pick it up! only the rotating part is magnetic. i had tweezers, one of those remote grabber things with the 4 small angled prongs on the end and a magnet, then i poured oil directly on the cylinder head with the valave cover off, jacked the car up, drained the oil and changed the filter, then went back together with a new vacuum pump, V.P. seal, and valve cover gasket. it ran normally and we havent heard back from them since/ TIP dont try to remove the plastic hoses connected to the valve cover. trace where those hoses go to from the valve cover and disconnect them there, leaving the hoses attached to the valve cover as it is removed
@@redcatxb125 thanks for the tips man I I'm an electrician by trade so it's much appreciated. Everything seems pretty straight forward though after 3 days of research lol. I'm waiting for the new gaskets to come in then I'm going to tackle this beast. I got 90% of everything out at this point from the side which I figured out by piecing it back together as I got chunks out....I found out the oil hasn't been changed in almost 2 years so I don't know what the hell else I'm going to find in there
Happened to me last Tuesday!! Pathetic something this huge happened to my car with only 36k miles on it! When the vacuum pump failed it broke my camshaft and threw pieces of metal into the top of the engine. My brakes failed almost causing me to get in a fatal accident. Warranty is covering the repair. Don't trust my car anymore. Trading it in on a Honda. I have always owned honda's. Really liked the equinox. Bought it brand new. Huge mistake. Got an email warning from onstar almost 20 minutes after it happened!!
Yea I’ve heard it’s common to snap the camshaft ears off, this customer got lucky. All it needed besides the vacuum pump was a new valve cover gasket and an oil change, it had about 50k miles if I remember right.
Same thing happened to me last week on the freeway. Very scary. I was able to get off the freeway but ended up running into a fence because I couldn’t stop
I didnt take off the plastic hoses from the valve cover, I took them off of where they went to, and removed the valve cover with the plastic hoses still attatched to it. however, the GM service manual instructs that you cut a slot in each screw that holds the plastic hose to the valve cover and use a flathead bit to unscrew them. I'd still recommend my method because you dont have to re use those cut up screws or get new ones.
My vehicle (18 GMC Terrain) didn’t do it till I hit the 100k mark the week before Christmas..luckily we were able to rescue all of the broken parts and it didn’t damage the camshaft..but now I gotta deal with replacing that seal cause my current replacement is leaking oil…the newer pumps are slightly different than these POS so let’s hope it doesn’t break again.
I had to take the valve cover off which on these is like a 2+he job and then pick out all the extra pieces with a magnet / tweezers as only the rotating part is iron based the housing is aluminum. It sucks trying to get that valve cover off
This same thing just happened to my 2018 Equinox with 50 K on it (Holden, Australia). We hadn't had it serviced for 30 K in 2021-2022, but had it serviced in Dec 2022. The vacuum pump shattered and it locked off and then the brake shaft fell off? Whole motor needs replacing now. It was blamed on óld oil, and holden wont replace - does this seem reasonable?!?!?
Hey I end up putting it on my self bro right on this Vedio helped me it didn’t fail that bad it just was a small small piece that was broke that I wasn’t able to get out of the engine but car is running back brand new
My father in-laws just went out and we replaced. It was broken on the inside of the pump. Now getting a P0017 code! Ugh, timing must’ve jumped a tooth or two. Runs good though.
Not that I know of. Buuuuut you have one other option. You could in theory cut the drive teeth off of a new pump so that just the outer sealing ring is going into the cylinder head so it doesn’t leak oil. but the cam wouldn’t spin the pump bc you took the teeth off. You can then run an electric vacuum pump (which was OE on certain gm cars) and run that to the brake booster, as the vacuuum pump only runs the brake booster
4 times! That’s ridiculous! GM should be paying for that part! Mine broke over a month ago and its still in the shop waiting on a technician to inspect the engine
From what I see, the main reason why the pump failed was because there's so much sludge at the strainer (mesh part). Naturally, when you see that, the sludge clogs that part which will cause the vane inside the pump to be dry since it'll not receive sufficient oil to lubricate the vane, which will melt it into a charcoal feeling piece and break off.
This just happened to my 2019 GMC terrain. Thank God I was going slow and in the parking lot otherwise it could’ve been a big problem. I took it to my dealer and they’re gonna charge me $1950 to fix it. I just called GMC customer care and put in a case they said they get back to me in one or two days. This is definitely a recall issue. I have 129,000 miles on my GMC Though
Outcome?
This is my 2nd time diagnosing one of these it definitely seems like a common problem.
This happened with my 2020 terrain. All of them have the same problem but they only recalled the 2018 and 2019 I think. I was driving on the freeway and could not stop. Was able to exit the freeway, pulled into a lot I thought was empty and ended up running into a wired fence 🤦🏾♀️
sorry to hear that.
How much you pay !
@@bo24kt depends on how bad it fails. if the vacuum pump fails internally then its like 1hr or a little less labor and part cost, which is in the 100-300 dollar range. if the pump explodes, dont be suprised when itll be 4 ish hrs, plus a valve cover gasket, many shops will quote an engine because metal shrapnel has gone through the engine, and it will raise the risk of a comeback or possibly doing the engine under warranty as they were the last shop to do it. worst case without replacing the engine the drive lobes on the camshaft can also break when the pump explodes, and doing a camshaft is going to mean more labor and cost for a new timing chain set, no legit shop will do timing work without replacing the chain, plus all the other stuff, so maybe 8-12hrs labor alone plus 500 plus or minus some for parts.
45k and this week. GM replaced both. They said i need to change my oil every 4000 instead of 5000. This car has been nothing but problems. The guy at GM told me to sell it now while it runs because my engine will blow the next time this happens
The new gm cars are a hot mess. More and more these cars are becoming throw away items
Replacement doesn’t seem bad but after seeing this video can those pieces become lodged in the motor? What’s the best way to get them out?
I had to pull the valve cover off and used a remote grabber tool to pick out the peices that were in the cylinder head. some smaller parts may have gotten to the oil pan or got lodged in the oil return passageways. best bet is to drop the pan and clean it out, or you could try draining the oil and running a couple quarts of fresh oil through the motor with the drain bolt still undone to try and get the shrapnel out of the pan, then fill it with oil and change the filter. note that it is possible damage has been done to the motors bearing surfaces already
@@redcatxb125yeah. It's only bad if there's metal pieces in the engine. Luckily mine was still intact except the vane, but I checked anyway and there was no metal parts in the engine. All I had to do was replace the pump and seal, and change oil. It took me hours since I never had to fix a failed mechanical pump before in my life.
It happened to me in February of 2022. The GM warranty should cover it for free.
I don’t remember if it was warrenty but it was done at my shop
My 2018 did the same thing
Mine did the same thing. Less than 30k miles at time of failure.
Ouch, even the OE replacement part (acdelco) is now a “made in china” part, I think these things are going at random due to too loose tolerances or bad quality control
@@redcatxb125 My shop was unable to get their hands on an OEM replacement. Part was made in Mexico.No idea what mexican car parts quality is like so here's hoping
@@AThibs probably higher quality than the china garbage lmao
Just happened to me yesterday. I drove 65 miles with no breaks
I have this issue with a 2018 equinox at work the actual reluctor ring on the exhaust cam shaft shifted code p0017 comes up can not clear it if you start the computer will recognize the issue the reluctor is pressed on instead of machined and the cam. The sensor can not read it correctly I’ve heard people line the marks back up and tap the reluctor back into position but I strongly do not recommend that method
?? has nothing to do with the vacuum pump, in your case, you would need a new camshaft. the reluctor is pressed on but the slot in the back of the cam for the VP is machined into the cam itself, so they dont correlate. its possible youre off a tooth on timing if you didnt use the cam and crank locking tools
@@redcatxb125 so the brake vacuum pump was seized and replace as well but I’m thinking it was shifted because of debris in the engine
How much was it to change it ?
Pretty sure this just happened to mine. 2018 equinox
How much should it cost to fix this and flush the engine?
youre looking at about 3-4 hrs labor to remove the valve cover and fish everything out, price of the new pump assuming the camshaft isnt damaged, valve cover gasket, (dont remember if it includes the vacuum pump seal) plus an oil change. not cheap but not absurd. However, some shops may quote you a new engine because of the possibility some of those fragments may have run through the engine IE main and rod bearings, oil pump. mainly to cover thier ass, they dont want to risk just trying to remove the fragments as the internals may have already been damaged.
It's not a good feeling when you lose your power steering on your breaks
Definitely a common issue. I just changed one out myself. Only difference, this pump failed on the inside. Still spun but no vacuum. I disassembled the pump to find metal shards inside. What poor engineers. Smh. BTW. At 60k for miles
Damn, at least it didnt explode lmao
@@redcatxb125 only on the inside. Got lucky i guess. But the car owner also didn't change his oil for at least 8500 past due. I did change it for him and advised him not to wait so long.
@@patrickstewart3184 yea those motors do not like long oil intervals and bc of the types of cars they are put in they are not well maintained most of the time
As of 11/10/22 mine did the same thing with 55,000 miles and the dealership told me it was not covered under the 60,000 mile power train warranty.
Did it do any internal engine damage or was it just a vacuum pump replacement?
@@redcatxb125 They are going to pull valve covers to see if any metal is internal today.
Mine wasn’t covered either. I have to pay 700 to get it out the shop tomorrow
This has happened to my car 2018 Chevy equinox but with the pieces breaking off would it destroy the motor?
It can it just depends on if you catch it right away, if not there are likely metal fragments going through your oil system. If you take off the valve cover, remove as much metal as you can, and do a fresh oil change and filter, along with a new vacuum pump, it may be alright. Thats what i ended up doing on this car
Can this issue also cause the computer to say a bunch of sensors need to be replaced? I replaced cam shaft position sensor along with knock sensors and couple others and truck still giving me issues to start. Tomorrow I’m changing the vacuum pump as my brake pedal is hard to push down. I hope this finally fixes the issue
do you have a 1.5 turbo engine?
if its setting timing code p0018 p0014 p0016 etc it could be that the camshaft that drives the vac pump may have broken. also if you're getting circuit codes for the cam and crank sensors and not timing correlation codes like mentioned above, its probably a separate issue from a failed vacuum pump. its also possible the force of the pump failing could have cause the timing chain to jump a few links.
Thank you for the video. This just happened to my 2019 Terrain @ 51,000 miles. (Mine broke inside the pump). Changing out was very straightforward.
Yes assuming it was an internal failure its normally a sub 30 minute job
As a matter of fact they put them in the 2018 Chevy Cruze 1.4L. I just pulled one that disintegrated the same exact way today. It completely annihilated the seal and dropped the metal inside. I don't know if you did a follow-up video are not but I would love to see it because tomorrow I have to pull valve cover
no follow up video but i did have to pull the valve cover, NOTE that the shroud is ALUMINUM! a magnet will not pick it up! only the rotating part is magnetic. i had tweezers, one of those remote grabber things with the 4 small angled prongs on the end and a magnet, then i poured oil directly on the cylinder head with the valave cover off, jacked the car up, drained the oil and changed the filter, then went back together with a new vacuum pump, V.P. seal, and valve cover gasket. it ran normally and we havent heard back from them since/ TIP dont try to remove the plastic hoses connected to the valve cover. trace where those hoses go to from the valve cover and disconnect them there, leaving the hoses attached to the valve cover as it is removed
@@redcatxb125 thanks for the tips man I I'm an electrician by trade so it's much appreciated. Everything seems pretty straight forward though after 3 days of research lol. I'm waiting for the new gaskets to come in then I'm going to tackle this beast. I got 90% of everything out at this point from the side which I figured out by piecing it back together as I got chunks out....I found out the oil hasn't been changed in almost 2 years so I don't know what the hell else I'm going to find in there
Happened to me last Tuesday!! Pathetic something this huge happened to my car with only 36k miles on it! When the vacuum pump failed it broke my camshaft and threw pieces of metal into the top of the engine. My brakes failed almost causing me to get in a fatal accident. Warranty is covering the repair. Don't trust my car anymore. Trading it in on a Honda. I have always owned honda's. Really liked the equinox. Bought it brand new. Huge mistake. Got an email warning from onstar almost 20 minutes after it happened!!
Yea I’ve heard it’s common to snap the camshaft ears off, this customer got lucky. All it needed besides the vacuum pump was a new valve cover gasket and an oil change, it had about 50k miles if I remember right.
Also Hondas are great man! I own 2 myself. Got a 5spd 05 accord sedan and a 5spd 2000 prelude
My bosses daughters equinox just did this yesterday. It destroyed the end of the camshaft and won't run.
@@brianH45 I’m sorry to hear that. It should be covered under warranty but if not it may be a hefty repair bill
Same thing happened to me last week on the freeway. Very scary. I was able to get off the freeway but ended up running into a fence because I couldn’t stop
Mi brother , can tell me how to take off the hoses that are connected to the valve cover? Please
I didnt take off the plastic hoses from the valve cover, I took them off of where they went to, and removed the valve cover with the plastic hoses still attatched to it. however, the GM service manual instructs that you cut a slot in each screw that holds the plastic hose to the valve cover and use a flathead bit to unscrew them. I'd still recommend my method because you dont have to re use those cut up screws or get new ones.
My vehicle (18 GMC Terrain) didn’t do it till I hit the 100k mark the week before Christmas..luckily we were able to rescue all of the broken parts and it didn’t damage the camshaft..but now I gotta deal with replacing that seal cause my current replacement is leaking oil…the newer pumps are slightly different than these POS so let’s hope it doesn’t break again.
Would you happen to have the broken unit?
@@CAPZATTACK610 I do indeed.
This has happened to me what do I do I got most of it out but I’m still missing some pieces do I have to take the engine apart ?
I had to take the valve cover off which on these is like a 2+he job and then pick out all the extra pieces with a magnet / tweezers as only the rotating part is iron based the housing is aluminum. It sucks trying to get that valve cover off
2+ hour *
This same thing just happened to my 2018 Equinox with 50 K on it (Holden, Australia). We hadn't had it serviced for 30 K in 2021-2022, but had it serviced in Dec 2022. The vacuum pump shattered and it locked off and then the brake shaft fell off? Whole motor needs replacing now. It was blamed on óld oil, and holden wont replace - does this seem reasonable?!?!?
Hey I end up putting it on my self bro right on this Vedio helped me it didn’t fail that bad it just was a small small piece that was broke that I wasn’t able to get out of the engine but car is running back brand new
It’s a very common problem. I used to work on a fleet of colorados 2.5 and we were doing these and water pumps all the time.
Was this on the driver side or passenger side? Curious where to look if there are any oil Leaks?
Same thing just happened to mine. Not going to lie. Lack of engine oil lol
This happened to me too. I felt kinda shitty and thought it was my fault
This should have been a recall on this part
My father in-laws just went out and we replaced. It was broken on the inside of the pump. Now getting a P0017 code! Ugh, timing must’ve jumped a tooth or two. Runs good though.
was it run low on oil?
@@redcatxb125 It was a quart low
@bobevol did you have to fix the timing are did you leave it like that ?
I have a 2018 equinox I have now replaced four of the four of them pumps that you are talking about are they a better a better pump that you can buy
Not that I know of. Buuuuut you have one other option. You could in theory cut the drive teeth off of a new pump so that just the outer sealing ring is going into the cylinder head so it doesn’t leak oil. but the cam wouldn’t spin the pump bc you took the teeth off. You can then run an electric vacuum pump (which was OE on certain gm cars) and run that to the brake booster, as the vacuuum pump only runs the brake booster
Or just drive with no power brakes… but I wouldn’t do that haha
4 times! That’s ridiculous! GM should be paying for that part! Mine broke over a month ago and its still in the shop waiting on a technician to inspect the engine