Bernardo Kastrup: Navigating cancer from an idealist perspective
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2023
- Bernardo Kastrup discusses his perspective on cancer and illness informed by his metaphysical idealist philosophy. If everything we think of as physical is a representation of subjective inner states, how might we think of cancer and what does that mean practically?
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I’m walking outside now, and have just taken a seat in a park while my wife has her 4th pet scan. I first came to Bernardo’s ideas when our little world suddenly seemed to fall apart last summer. We have spent many months in Germany under the amazing Professor Aigner who has done so much already when we were told there was nothing to do. I saw this video thumbnail a few months ago, but didn’t dare to watch it. It feels like this is the right moment. ❤️
Now I’m sitting in a bathroom in another country at night while my beautiful wife is in a ward nearby. I just can’t take this any more, it’s breaking my heart. I don’t even care if my heart does break, but it’s watching the ones I love around me go through this that is unbearable. I keep hoping we’ll wake up from this nightmare any moment now. I keep hoping we will.
Sending you a warm hug. Stay flowing through the experience, don't resist life, it might be the way to don't get deadly hurt.
Sending Love and healing ♥ 🙏
Brilliant, simply brilliant. A couple of generations from now, some enlightened student will do for Bernardo what he has so generously done for Jung and Schopenhauer. Kastrup's grasp of reality and his command of ontological idealism does not lend itself to measurement. I believe it's safe to say that the world is a better place because of Bernardo and his beautiful mind and piercing intellect.
Great to hear the positive regard you have for this work! Thanks 🙏🙏
Bernardo tha goat
Cancer is emergent? It breaks symmetry?
Synchronicity is a gift.This conversation is what I need right now.
After several months of PET and MRI scans and two biopsies I was eventually diagnosed with
a "rare" type of Salivary gland cancer.
Just a few weeks before surgery. ( I had 20 stitches in my neck) it went
into remission. And my doctor persuaded me to take the surgery anyway.
Now I have a choice to take radiotherapy or not, to eliminate any possible
remnants of the cancer they may have gone undetected.
Having watched this timely discussion I now know what I am going to do next.
What did u do?🥹
I Also Cannot Resist Listening To Bernardo Speak As Often As Possible ! Thank You 😊
Our pleasure!
Amazing. Bernardo, you often say things in a manner that I've been trying to for a while. I have epilepsy due to a benign brain tumor, and seizures have been taking place for about 15 years. At first I was having a, commonly called, grand-mal seizure about once a week and it made living in America very difficult. (I have gotten in trouble for trying to jump out of ambulances after waking up from a seizure because my first thought when I regain consciousness is... I can't afford to go to the hospital!) But then I finally was able to have much of the tumor removed from my left temporal lobe and now the seizures are down to about once a month instead of week, so life has improved. However... like you spoke of here, I don't like thinking of myself as "at war" with the tumor or my epilepsy. I have actually learned so much and grown so much due to my seizures. They are horrible, but they are part of who I am. It was actually the experiences due to my seizures that led me to explore philosophy and idealism. I am, in a unique way, almost grateful to my disability. It is part of who I am, and I am proud of who I am.
Thanks so much for sharing this Craig! Amazing to hear the relationship you've developed with this
Where we be without Black Elk? Thank you for sharing!
Love you man! Sorry to hear about your struggles, but happy to hear about your growth. Bernardo is awesome for the logical and analytical types. Keep fighting, keep growing, keep loving!
@@JDTherrien Keep fighting? 😜
@@SarahDale111If you read the original commenters comment you would understand the context.
.........Dr Bernardo just thank you very much foe being here and now!
Educated by cancer. Leukemia has taught me so much. It is a great philosophical exercise.
OHSU in Portland, Oregon has some of the absolute best facilities and Doctors whom are specialized in their particular cancer.
The synchronicity of finding this in my feed while studying Carl Jung and learning to live with Leukemia makes me smile. Thank you 😊
Sadly, there are too many faking they have cancer and it can be draining on the subject entirely.
Thanks for sharing! Learning a lot from your videos.
Great to hear that these are useful! Thanks for the feedback 🙏
Such a pleasure listening to a beautiful mind😊.
thanks!
I don’t understand how Bernardo can see everything with such crystal clarity yet maintain he does not directly experience no-self realization. It’s such a beautiful thing either way
Agree!
I am speechless in gratitude Bernardo. I needed this so much and you helped me enormously to approach myself from completely different perspective.
GREAT CONVERSATION- THANK YOU
Never agreed more ! I always found the fighting talk weird….in the context of disease. Great talk on cancer. 🎉
Thank you. Great thoughts are a great help! Everything you have concluded resonates as truthful to me .
Thanks Susan 🙏🙏
Magnificent, inspirational, just fantastic - many thanks
Many thanks!
The best be yours, BK. Your ideas bounce me in the right direction, of which I had no say! lol
Beautiful! Thank you!
Thank you for everything, Bernardo.
Thank you for the “bijdragen” to our understanding 🙏🏼🩵
Although the tema directs to cancer, it contains a treasure of new perspective from how suffering and meta suffering can be experience. Just think about childbirth and how strong mental constructors of suffering and agony day by day provoque traumatic ultra medicated births. I was looking for a video of Bernardo Kastrup that would be more "digestible" for me in terms of scientific and philosophical terms. Since I heard Bernardo on an interview for a podcast by NRC newspaper here in The Netherlands, I want to know, understand, learn and but most of all unlearn.
Everything that the embodied soul goes through in life is bread crumbs to guide us to experiences that the soul wanted to experience. I agree that we do not " create" these things or " our reality" a 100%. My insight is my human experience is not the only true/reality.
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices A unique identity and history specific to the individual
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices Not vague at all. You have a unique history which is not shared by any being in the entire scope of life on earth. That defines you to "consciousness" as uniquely as a barcode. I'd call that pretty un-vague :)
I❤you, Bernardo! Merci beaucoup 🙏🏼
This guy is extremely interesting!
I wonder about the biological "chemical"effect of too many anxious thoughts, stress, fear...it must have an effect?
I ❤ Bernardo ❤❤
Thank you ❤❤❤
Thank you!
Just awesome 👌 👏 👍 🙂
Bernardo’s description of suffering and control is true but there’s another side to the story of ego-identity. If one orients awareness from the integral whole-Self rather than merely from the fictional (albeit operationally functional) ego-self, then - as Neville Goddard details in his book The Power of Awareness - attention can have causal power or more accurately, attractive power. Orienting awareness from “the feeling of the wish fulfilled” cultivates a life grounded in wholeness and harnesses the real and truly free power of imagination. This is in stark contrast to a life grounded in ego delusion pursuing pleasure with its attendant suffering. The former is not only a powerful practice to cultivate self-actualisation but also its complementary pair, other-actualisation.
Michondria Issues are Environmental.
Both parents died from Cancer over 20 yrs ago
I have been Researching Autism
That lead me to the Truth All about Cancer
I am only joining in the conversation.
Very deep Conversation for Sat morning
I will come back again
My own Brain 🧠 goes very deep around the Conversation
Protection is the Key 🔑
there is a beautiful interview on this topic by Jeffrey Mishlove with Stephen Levine - just type Stephen Levine Thinking Allowed.
Thanks 🙏🙏
B.K. is a legend.
From the UnConscious ❤️
To the Conscious Hell 💚
Until the Paradise of Consciousness 💜
Thaaannnk Yooouuu ❤️ 💚 💜
But does any of this internal attitude and compassion for cancer stuff affect the outcome..?
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May I ask; what is the 'construct of Nature' 'the 'something else' that you refer to that is promoting these constructs that you state do not eminate from 'you'? I hope that this question makes sense; I am really speaking more about the concept of choice. Thank you for all that you share.
Consciousness, or awareness, or being, or knowing... whatever name you may give to. Though science or language is not and cannot describe "it".
@@VRaj1 Yes, thank you; I take that as being 'without choice', or, that which moves you to press out into form.
@@eviechris1 Rightly said
To have a blase attitude to cancer is like someone living in a hot country and being blase about the cold. Sure, we can imagine we will stick out our chest, in the certainty when its freazing it wont matter as we can embrace natures vissisitudes with love.. Very poetric. Why war, embrace. Why go to war on cold?
Alas, experience December in the UK and the gas is turned on fully, i'm wearing my coat, summer isnt even a memory anymore, my summer audacities, gone like a fart in the wind, and i go to war on the cold until it is summer again.
I agree with you, you can’t heal your self from with in the ego. How ever you can view your self, and operate from a place from out side of the ego. It’s a view point out side of the ego that is the cause of placebo. Basically you operate from out side of the ego as you explain that you relaxed in to a place where you accept not being in control. One can take responsibility to relax in to the ’flying nest ’ you talk about - it’s different from control. I would lable your experience in your flying nest, that is just another word for out-of-body-, or out-of-definition-experience.
You had a conversation with Dr Levin, will it give ... I don't know how the finish the sentence, just think about it
I enjoyed that conversation, but I've no idea how to complete your sentence!
How do you explain Placebo effect then?
Hello! Thanks for commenting.
Can you elaborate on the question?
For most people placebo is taken as evidence against materialism rather than a challenge to it
@@adventuresinawareness you can heal even for câncer with placebo effect , thats what the answer above explains! There is cases where a tumor just disappears without any explanation. So it's a really complex question.
...and so we have no control of need to control.
If it doesn't aid in treartment, then the question has to be asked if this is a true perspective or not. If cancer is REALLY a "dissociation", and this isn't just another way of talking about something difficult that helps some people psychologically, then some form of treatment via REASSOCIATION would suggest itself as potentially effective. But what would that be exactly? SImply imagining the body whole again doesn't seem to work. But in principle, the claim is testable.
wouldn't believing that a certain treatment makes you better, as in the placebo effect, be an example of re associating back to wholeness? maybe in a round about way, but still, it's what a person is doing when believing that the activity taken is leading them back to health and wholeness.
@@wildnkarafree I think we would need to see evidence of a placebo effect curing cancer. Serious, properly controlled studies. At the moment, it looks like placebo might have some influence on levels of perceived pain or a modest influence on speed of resolution for illnesses that are already resolving. I'm not seeing evidence of placebo as an effective treatment for cancer though.
Just to forewarn, I worked as a home health aide for decades. Prostate cancer can be like a turtle or a rabbit. Most men have prostate cancer when they die, but die from something else. The pelvic floor can be very fragile where chemo can create water on the brain. When I first learned that 90% of hysterectomies were unnecessary .. I thought it was a sexual crime against women, (as they age they have back pain because of the ligments to the back being cut).. until I took care of someone who was treated from prostate cancer. Western medicine is a bussiness.. they practice No Placebo.. they are chemically and surgically trained. Buy with caution, don't think cancers, medical conditions are Zebras.
There is a video..."World without cancer".
Although I agree with Bernardo’s characterisation of ego, it’s inaccurate to speak of the mind-body relationship as the placebo effect. The placebo effect is one testable example of the mind-body relationship that was incidentally discovered to have real causal power. A placebo is an inert substance or procedure often employed during trials of medicinal and other therapeutic interventions to measure the active’s so called real effects. Once the placebo effect was known it continued to serve the scientific trial process by neutralising or equalising the placebo effect of the active.
Thanks for commenting - not sure I understood your point - are you saying placebo is not evidence for a mind-body effect?
@@adventuresinawareness I think the mind-body axis is one pathway for explaining the placebo effect. The so called placebo effect is often conflated with the psychosomatic part of any response to a therapeutic intervention. Since the placebo is supposed to be inert or at the very least inactive any psychosomatic benefits - which can be above 50% in some trials - are equalised by the inclusion of a placebo in a trial. I’m sure you appreciate this but to call the mind-body axis a placebo as if it’s inert or inactive is what I’m challenging. Further, Bernardo saying that prior to the late 1600s medicine relied on the placebo effect ignores the thousands of years of documented empirical evidence for the therapeutic benefits of botanical medicines, e.g., Ayurvedic Herbalism and TCM. I brought this up because Bernardo is normally really tight with his application of terms and use of definitions.
Your comments are contradictory… In one moment you were speaking about how powerful the placebo effect is, and then, right after that, you were saying that we are never in control… That is contradictory… It seems to me, that while we are not in control we are co-creating our reality and our experiences… The placebo effect is a perfect example of our co-creation… We are creative beings, incredibly powerful, creative beings. Also, I feel there is a difference between recognizing our creative power, and utilizing it consciously, for good, and not from a place of ego.
Thanks for your comment
My understanding is: whilst the placebo effect is real, we're not in control of it. So there's no contradiction 🙏
@ Grassfedperson - Why do you call her flakey? Your mind affects your body, verified scientifically. About credibility, Bernardo has put himself out there against one of the biggest cultural paradigms, materialism. We need to use our own brains to analyze the content on its own merits, on its own internal logic…
I was sad to hear Bernado talking like that. People need to take care of their nutrition, heal their body and life, heal the trauma that hides as disease, and vibrate thr cells to high levels of natural chemistry- healing myself with laughter and frequencies of gratitude and love. Transcend Karma - what about épi genetics and the new research on the power of deep awareness? I believe taking responsibility is often the search of the soul. 🙏🏻
This is one topic where I would have to disagree with Bernardo. If a man works in highly carcinogenic environment and knows it, it his direct actions that made him at high risk. If a man smokes 2 packs of cigarettes a day, it is his direct actions that placed him at high risk. If a man eats hotdogs 6 days a week for 30 years, it is his direct actions that placed him at high risk.
I think he is mainly talking about those cases in which cancer comes as a surprise to someone with a healthy lifestyle, which is common.
But either way, the habit of smoking or eating a certain way are also mediated by the person's mind, drives that in some way dissociated from what most people know to be in their best interest
@@adventuresinawareness Yeah so as for the latter part of your comment, you're getting into an area where no-one wants to go because it's easier and more comforting to believe that the terminal disease is random than it is to associate it with a bad practice or eating habit. Even most Drs. will shrug their shoulders when asked "how did I get this", when they could ask a simple set of questions to determine whether the person had put themselves at high risk.
There are no studies when people are hospitalized such as learning their eating or other bad habits etc.. They might be able to isolate various foods, drinks, practices etc as having put them at higher risk. Simply put the medical industry doesn't want that data. Many of the chemicals that the FDA considers "Generally recognized as Safe" are toxic at higher quantities... where low quantities of said chem has no long term evidence to cause harm.. but there are no studies on it either way. FDA serving size does not match the American diet serving size.
You see, we are our own health advocates. All you have to do is research the China-Cornell-Oxford Project and the book "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell and Thomas Campbell and educate yourself on wherein lies the problem. BUt hey, no-one wants to give up their chicken wings and steaks. Saying there is never a "fault" is willingful ignorance. And no, I am not saying that every case of cancer has a fault, so don't misconstrue what I am saying. Thanks
Ok, so then mind is not creating reality?
Why do you say that? Could you elaborate?
@@adventuresinawareness I'm merely responding to Bernardo's comment that anything that happens to them is not of their doing, which runs counter to his contention that this is a mental Universe You may not draw a direct connection to anything that you experience, however it is surely your doing. There is only pure consciousness, it's not divisible
He goes on to describe the whole becoming segments. Just because the 'segment' has forgotten that it's the whole, does not mean that it is no longer the whole. One thing never stops being One thing even when it becomes individual variations. So cancer is happening to the whole, being drawn to itself and experienced by the 'segment', via intent, which ever form that takes.
@@Dan-sr6oe I think he would say this depends on what you mean by 'you'. If you mean the underlying field of consciousness, then you are right, everything is 'your' doing, although he would also say this may not be done knowingly, planned, metacognitive.
In this context I think by 'you' he means the ego, the apparent dissociated mental process that thinks it has control, and believes itself to be a seperate entity. Although everything is mental, much of what happens in any given life is totally outside even the illusion of control of the go, even those things that happen in the purely mental space - we normally don't control the content of our dreams, for instance, or which emotions come and go...
I’m your biggest fan everything you say is great. I think you’re fantastic Bernardo. With that being said, I can’t listen to more than three minutes of you talking in English. You need to get some kind of a speech coach or therapist. You sound like you’re whining nonstop. It comes I think from your Brazilian background. It sounds nice in Portuguese but in English it’s very whiny.
thanks for your comment.
For what its worth, I really enjoy how Bernardo speaks, so I guess its subjective
With appreciation
Sorry but the woman at the 18 minute mark is the typical New Age flakey character who reckons the ego can cast miracles like a Jesus your brain. Bernardo should stay away from this sort of conversation if he wants to stay credible.
And these beautiful flakey people bring their experiences to us, allowing Bernardo to teach us more about who we are.
You are shinning Bernardo, for all of us.
Thank you Bernardo. I was diagnosed with prostrate cancer 5 years ago. I hate this idea of a war against cancer. As you say it is part of us and we need to approach with compassion and love. What is it with humans and these twisted narratives around war. I follow my drs advice - radiotherapy and now oral chemo. However, O always check out what they want to give me very carefully and make my own mind up. Meanwhile I work holistically with Taiji, qigong and meditation in parallel with the medical treatment and try and use the placebo principal. So far so good ! Anyway thanks for handling this topic😊
I think Bernardo helps people with actual cancer.
Friends, I love Bernardo too but my comment was about the flakey woman. Why is it that little kids get cancer when all it take is a positive ego and happy attitude, as the flakey woman argues, for the cancer to dissolve? And there is no need for the rushing to comment how much you love Bernardo like you are trying to defend your guru. I am sure if I pinned Bernardo down with this logic he will agree with me
Completely wrong. Cancer is the sickness of egoists. You are responsible for your life, for all your health and illness, not the nature or someone else. You are free, but that doesn't mean that you know what exactly you are doing all the time. Control is not responsibility, you control nothing at all. To gain the knowledge about the consequence of your actions, of your thinking habits means responsibility.
Fro example:
Lung cancer - social conflicts
Liver cancer - conflict with wealth and money
Intestines cancer - old family conflicts, some unresolved problems
Kidney cancer - partnership conflicts
Blood cancer - self-esteem conflict.
Breast cancer - mathernity conflict
etc....
All your organs are related to certain aspects of your life and when your body produce to many cells in some organ, it means that you are too selfish, too egoistic in that aspect, a part of you doesn't cooperate in harmony with the rest any more.
Seek the balance and healthy lifestyle, do not seek for philosophy of cancer, it is just too many rubbish you produced by yourself, blaming yourself or crying or fighting is not healthy.
Can anyone put me in touch with Rick the therapist who speaks towards the end of the presentation? 🙏🏼🩵