I think there's a lot of here say about the Kove 800 models - are the weight figures accurate?, is it Euro 5 and 5+ compliant?, and most of all, are the engines different to the KTM ones that are now synonymous for the cam wear issue? I think if you get a chance to speak with a Kove employee at the show to clear up these issues, that would be great.
My apologies, I'm already back at the hotel and only saw this just now. It's open to the public from tomorrow and filming is pretty much impossible, so I'll be at the hotel for the next two days editing and replying to comments. If they are at Motorcycle Live in a couple of weeks I'll ask then.
@ I’ll be going along to the NEC too. Looking forward to seeing some of these bikes in the flesh. I spoke with a dealer who I’m not sure if they are official Kove stockists, but they do have the 450 Rally there, regarding the 800, and he told me they won’t be getting it because it won’t pass the emissions test. I thought it a bit odd, and wondered if he might have been trying to put me off and look at Voge instead as he had loads of those available.
That’ll have to wait for another show I’m afraid. I think it’ll also vary by country. It might be already available so if you can, ask your dealer/distributor/importer.
I would expect the 800X Rally to have an enduro like flat seat and rear fuel tank or low front side tanks, much like a buffed Kove 450 Rally. That would be a fantastic bike, wonder why they did not consider it.
It might be the fuel tank costs. To get the moulds/forms is pretty expensive (100k/set?). To have different tanks on the Rally would need an extra set and they'd need to sell a lot to recover. There might not be a business case for that.
😳 let me check the folder of the stand after Kove, I did film it, but appear to have missed it in the edit… thanks for the spot. I’m about to head back to EICMA after a few hours sleep so if I can, it’ll be later in the week. Apologies
They didn' t but I guess the UK importer would know more than the people on the stand. If you ask them they may be able to give you an answer. Were they taking orders at the ABR?
@ no idea mate. Didn’t go this yr sadly, but I’ll have a chat with guys in Sway down the rd. they have the X an pro at the moment. Cheers Andre, ride safe mate an thanks for all you do.
Quick quibble, MCN has the 800X Pro at 196kg. Even tho it's still seriously lightweight for an 800cc ADV (dry weight around 15kg lighter than T7)! You have a Kove long term, do you trust them to build reliable bikes? Ride-by-wire worries me, reliability, ease to fix in out of the way prices, and costs (someone told me a new 890 throttle is 1000 quid - something that's easily smashed on the trail). Cheers for all your vids from Milan - appreciated.
Did they weigh it or read the spec sheet? The reason I ask is that Gary Goodwin the US importer put one on the scales at 190kg facebook.com/share/p/1AyriDDKYp
2:40 It still needs double discs for tarmac use, especially with two passengers. But since it is a rally version, a single brake disc is lighter, safer and easier to use on dirt.
@@lughole true, but isn't that what road bikes are for, the designers would assume an adventure bike will be taken off road and equip it for that. I'm assuming that's why Kove have removed the tubeless rims on the new 800 rally. If people want to just do road and light gravel there are far better options than adventure bikes,
It does. Mind you, there's a few of those out there now. I think the CFMoto 500SR is also a four. I'm sure there's a few more. I'll probably remember them when editing the videos for those stands and I hear myself say it! (I've seen so many bikes in the last two days, they all blur into one a bit...)
Those engines look amazing - it would be nice to know weight & hp of each. The 440 4 could be a screamer. Kove is absolutely competitive in the market after just a few years, I'm hoping for a very bright future for the brand.
There's a post on the US Kove Facebook site from Gary Goodwin where he weighed the 800X's full with fuel. I don't have the numbers to hand (And have a lot of posts to reply to and video's to edit, but I'll dig it out later if you've not found it by then.)
What about the 450rr 4 cylinder? I am waiting since the last eicma 2023, no answer from German or Italian kove dealers 😢 and no answer from kove self. The bike completely removed from the Italian website.... Why?
The Kove 800 Rally could be a game changer, but they need to address the camshaft wear issue with the engine. The current consensus is that the engine does not provide enough pressure to lubricate the cam surfaces, potentially due to poor oil pump pressure or poor alignment of the oil channels in the head. If the issue is not resolved then the engines are a time bomb and the bikes wont be worth anything in future, like the KTM 890. So, what have Kove done to fix the problem if anything? Until Kove / CF Moto / Husqvarna / KTM come up with a confirmed solution, then no one in their right mind would touch them.
@@vgstb This is the second time I will question this statement. Can you show where you got that info or a statement that the issue is fixed? The last guy could not.
The top end has been completely redone, you can find comparison videos online, there is people in china who has already done 30k km completely issues free, obviously only time will tell as we get more and more data but so far it seems ok 👍
@@wXGuitarLoverXw Can you provide any link or example? I cant find anything that confirms changes in Kove or CF Moto engines from the KTM, or specifically that they have addressed the problem. These "just search for it" comments without anything to back it up look just like BS throw away lines. If you are serious, then please provide something.
Too bad their partner here in the Philippines are selling Kove bikes overpriced, CFMoto is killing it here right now. Kove's 500 adv has been reliable here for years now, but I don't think they'll last any longer now that CFMOTO has outgrown them by a mile due to price & feature disparity in their offerings.
@@PeakMotorcyclesYeah but their partner's pricing is not enticing and they really didn't drop their prices, CFMoto is just the better choice around here and they really made a home run on their 450's especially the 450MT i guess all over the globe really where it is sold.
The 800X party trick was always its claimed weight. However, I saw a chap properly weigh one last year when they also claimed its only 176kg or something like that and it tipped the scale at 191kg in the real world. THAT is still very good but not as light as it was claimed. SO, do I believe the figures claimed by KOVE for it 2025 lineup....NO !
The 191 kg is indeed the verified fueled-up weight for the 800x (standard version), the rally version is not yet commercially available, but it should be somewhere around 10 kg lighter.
As with all manufacturers, Kove list the kerb weight - all fluids needed to ride plus half tank of fuel. My 800X Pro is 185kg fully fuelled with the titanium Rally exhaust and a few mods. This includes the engine bars, rack and mine came with a lead acid battery (this is getting swapped at 1st service on Friday so should shave a couple of kg off)
That Kove 800 Rally Rocks! Thanks for showing it!
You're welcome.
Thanks for showing me my favourite brand, even with a Honda and BMW in my garage 🎉
You’re welcome. (I also have a Honda and BMW in my garage)
Me to👍
Thanks Andre! Kove are certainly making a splash. Shame they aren't available here in Australia.
Do you know if there are plans? I’m sure it’s be a great market for them.
@PeakMotorcycles there is chatter, but alas, that is all there is.
That 800 rallye is a cracking bike. Kove are really coming on ...
They are. I hope others follow.
Thanks for showing those bikes. I’m a dealer for kove in Colorado. I love the bikes you’re excited to get an 800
Awesome! There’s some great riding out there (though I mostly only ever see it covered in snow!)
Love to see this brand in Australia. We need more choice
Not sure why they aren’t there yet. It’s been a while now…
Some really good bikes in their line up, I wish Kove would hurry up & start selling road bikes here in Australia!
Yup. I guess it takes time to scale up.
NICE!
They are!
The 800 rally looks interesting
It does, and hopefully sets a trend for others in the sector.
great video
Thanks!
we R so dang HUNGRRRYYY for the *RALLY* test ride\s!!!
all the things we see from KOVE is just PROOF the founder *LOVES motorcycles!*
Yup, though you know the founder left the company a while ago?
@PeakMotorcycles -maybe 'coz he isn't greedy and also knew it's in good hands? IDK
I think there's a lot of here say about the Kove 800 models - are the weight figures accurate?, is it Euro 5 and 5+ compliant?, and most of all, are the engines different to the KTM ones that are now synonymous for the cam wear issue? I think if you get a chance to speak with a Kove employee at the show to clear up these issues, that would be great.
My apologies, I'm already back at the hotel and only saw this just now. It's open to the public from tomorrow and filming is pretty much impossible, so I'll be at the hotel for the next two days editing and replying to comments. If they are at Motorcycle Live in a couple of weeks I'll ask then.
@ I’ll be going along to the NEC too. Looking forward to seeing some of these bikes in the flesh. I spoke with a dealer who I’m not sure if they are official Kove stockists, but they do have the 450 Rally there, regarding the 800, and he told me they won’t be getting it because it won’t pass the emissions test. I thought it a bit odd, and wondered if he might have been trying to put me off and look at Voge instead as he had loads of those available.
A more detailed look into the 450 EX would be awesome. When are they releasing it?
That’ll have to wait for another show I’m afraid. I think it’ll also vary by country. It might be already available so if you can, ask your dealer/distributor/importer.
I would expect the 800X Rally to have an enduro like flat seat and rear fuel tank or low front side tanks, much like a buffed Kove 450 Rally. That would be a fantastic bike, wonder why they did not consider it.
It might be the fuel tank costs. To get the moulds/forms is pretty expensive (100k/set?). To have different tanks on the Rally would need an extra set and they'd need to sell a lot to recover. There might not be a business case for that.
@PeakMotorcycles Understandable. For me they should go rear tank in both models. Still bike looks promising, will test ride it soon.
5:05 Holographic flashing tank emblem?
🤣
You missed their 350RR, the road version of their WSBK300 winning bike :P
😳 let me check the folder of the stand after Kove, I did film it, but appear to have missed it in the edit… thanks for the spot. I’m about to head back to EICMA after a few hours sleep so if I can, it’ll be later in the week. Apologies
Absolutely no need to apologize, I (hopefully others too) really appreciate your showing us around!
Hi Andre, Did Kove tell you when the 800 Rally is on sale in UK mate?
Cheers an brilliant vids as normal.
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They didn' t but I guess the UK importer would know more than the people on the stand. If you ask them they may be able to give you an answer. Were they taking orders at the ABR?
@ no idea mate. Didn’t go this yr sadly, but I’ll have a chat with guys in Sway down the rd. they have the X an pro at the moment.
Cheers Andre, ride safe mate an thanks for all you do.
Quick quibble, MCN has the 800X Pro at 196kg. Even tho it's still seriously lightweight for an 800cc ADV (dry weight around 15kg lighter than T7)! You have a Kove long term, do you trust them to build reliable bikes? Ride-by-wire worries me, reliability, ease to fix in out of the way prices, and costs (someone told me a new 890 throttle is 1000 quid - something that's easily smashed on the trail). Cheers for all your vids from Milan - appreciated.
Did they weigh it or read the spec sheet? The reason I ask is that Gary Goodwin the US importer put one on the scales at 190kg facebook.com/share/p/1AyriDDKYp
Or this for a comparison with others: facebook.com/share/p/17j6d3XM4D/
2:40 It still needs double discs for tarmac use, especially with two passengers. But since it is a rally version, a single brake disc is lighter, safer and easier to use on dirt.
Thanks
How come kove gets we want tubeless but suzuki and hinda can't?
Probably because we don't all want tubeless.
Quite a few manufacturers are offering tubeless now (videos to follow). The Kove 800X Rally still has tubes though.
@@silverdale3207 on an adventure bike? I suppose we don't all go off-road ...
@@lughole true, but isn't that what road bikes are for, the designers would assume an adventure bike will be taken off road and equip it for that. I'm assuming that's why Kove have removed the tubeless rims on the new 800 rally. If people want to just do road and light gravel there are far better options than adventure bikes,
The 450/4 nakedbike looks interesting.
It does. Mind you, there's a few of those out there now. I think the CFMoto 500SR is also a four. I'm sure there's a few more. I'll probably remember them when editing the videos for those stands and I hear myself say it! (I've seen so many bikes in the last two days, they all blur into one a bit...)
How’s your 450 rally going ?
Great, when I’m at home to ride it! 🤣
Will you be doing any more videos on the 450 rally?
Those engines look amazing - it would be nice to know weight & hp of each.
The 440 4 could be a screamer.
Kove is absolutely competitive in the market after just a few years, I'm hoping for a very bright future for the brand.
There's a post on the US Kove Facebook site from Gary Goodwin where he weighed the 800X's full with fuel. I don't have the numbers to hand (And have a lot of posts to reply to and video's to edit, but I'll dig it out later if you've not found it by then.)
What about the 450rr 4 cylinder? I am waiting since the last eicma 2023, no answer from German or Italian kove dealers 😢 and no answer from kove self.
The bike completely removed from the Italian website.... Why?
Same. Perhaps they can't make it EU5 (now EU5+) compliant? Though if Kawasaki can do it for the ZX4RR, then there should be a way.
This bike would be a game changer.
Don’t have courage to testing it, because my bike garage is overfilled….
🤣. Yup. N+1 is a problem. I’ve had to build a barn! 🤣
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I didnt understand if the 800 Rally is road legal, the bike from last year wasn't but this one look different, i can see a cat and abs
Last year was a concept, this year they did the type certificate for europe and are already selling both versions in several countries in europe.
I think they're all road legal, just different components that impact the weight.
The Kove 800 Rally could be a game changer, but they need to address the camshaft wear issue with the engine. The current consensus is that the engine does not provide enough pressure to lubricate the cam surfaces, potentially due to poor oil pump pressure or poor alignment of the oil channels in the head. If the issue is not resolved then the engines are a time bomb and the bikes wont be worth anything in future, like the KTM 890. So, what have Kove done to fix the problem if anything? Until Kove / CF Moto / Husqvarna / KTM come up with a confirmed solution, then no one in their right mind would touch them.
It's not the same engine as the KTM 790, the top end of the engine is different (in fact it's an own development of Kove itself).
@@vgstb This is the second time I will question this statement. Can you show where you got that info or a statement that the issue is fixed? The last guy could not.
The top end has been completely redone, you can find comparison videos online, there is people in china who has already done 30k km completely issues free, obviously only time will tell as we get more and more data but so far it seems ok 👍
@@wXGuitarLoverXw Can you provide any link or example? I cant find anything that confirms changes in Kove or CF Moto engines from the KTM, or specifically that they have addressed the problem. These "just search for it" comments without anything to back it up look just like BS throw away lines. If you are serious, then please provide something.
Can you provide any link or examples that the kove have any problem with camshaft??? North KTM kove engines.
Too bad their partner here in the Philippines are selling Kove bikes overpriced, CFMoto is killing it here right now. Kove's 500 adv has been reliable here for years now, but I don't think they'll last any longer now that CFMOTO has outgrown them by a mile due to price & feature disparity in their offerings.
There’s lots of new bikes in that category too. Good for competition right?
@@PeakMotorcyclesYeah but their partner's pricing is not enticing and they really didn't drop their prices, CFMoto is just the better choice around here and they really made a home run on their 450's especially the 450MT i guess all over the globe really where it is sold.
The 800X party trick was always its claimed weight. However, I saw a chap properly weigh one last year when they also claimed its only 176kg or something like that and it tipped the scale at 191kg in the real world. THAT is still very good but not as light as it was claimed.
SO, do I believe the figures claimed by KOVE for it 2025 lineup....NO !
Oh. That is a bit disappointing. I haven't weighed one myself, but would be interested in the link to see that if you have it.
They claimed that weight for the Rally version, the X it's more heavy, the rally even the subframe it's different
The 191 kg is indeed the verified fueled-up weight for the 800x (standard version), the rally version is not yet commercially available, but it should be somewhere around 10 kg lighter.
As with all manufacturers, Kove list the kerb weight - all fluids needed to ride plus half tank of fuel. My 800X Pro is 185kg fully fuelled with the titanium Rally exhaust and a few mods. This includes the engine bars, rack and mine came with a lead acid battery (this is getting swapped at 1st service on Friday so should shave a couple of kg off)
@@vgstbmy friend has a rally version. Yes the rally. I know the difference. Will ask him to weight it later😂
Too much on/off on the 800 model.
Like most euro5 chinese bikes.
You mean the throttle response?
@@metalsadman Like most euro5 bikes.
@@PeakMotorcyclescorrect
Can be fixed with Coober ECU.