Hasbro's UNBELIEVABLE D&D 2024 Scandal Just Got Worse
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Get ready for a reality, in which physical pre-painted minis are cheaper than their digital equivalents.
No doubt. Minis are expensive now. Digital ones will start at about the same
GW was already matching digital and mini prices in the latest Blood Bowl game. Ready Player One, here we come!
You mean you fools didn't switch to 3D printed minis years ago?
i don't like this X.X
3D printed minis just became twice more attractive.
We have reached a singularity point where D&D has become so thoroughly corporatized that they have lost all sight of the game as a whole. It's been trending down for years, but the proverbial fecal matter has hit the air distribution device. My DM has said he wants us all to transition to D&D 2024, and more than half the players in the group, including myself, have flat out said, "No. We're not buying the new books."
Make your own rules up, or for that matter, take any dozens of (free) rules, and context, around there.
You're a group of the finest, you have a meal and a drink together, you sit down at a gaming table ready to play, all cozying up to one another, and all of a sudden, someone says : "We can't play these new rules, so let's just give up on our friendship and stop playing!"
I think not!
A new set of rules, that's fun. No one is trying to get the upper hand because no one understands how it's done. You're reliving the hell - I mean the best part of your gaming lives experiences - trying to figure out how simple it really is to have fun discovering new stuff. And understanding that the rules matter little, because they're far outweighed by all the rest.
Love to you all!
1. Hasbro doesn't get any credit for giving customers access to product they paid for. That's how this whole "purchase" thing works, it's not something to be praised for.
2. Let's brace ourselves. Hasbro stirred a loud and major shitstorm of outrage they were ready to quench right away. Meanwhile, they are most likely working on something much worse they hope will slip under the radar. Using big scandals as misdirection is the MO, and Hasbro has a long track record.
1: It's not about if they DESERVE the praise, it's a manipulation tactic.
Trade the stick for the carrot and clicker train our corporate overlords to expect reward for doing what they are supposed to.
oh you thought you purchased the game.... nah mate, you subscribed to access. Just like with DVD's.
I’m just sitting over here with Paizo playing PF2e for a while now eating popcorn watching DnD players continually forgiving and going back to their abusive ex just to get smacked again and again and again.
@@DarkBunnyLordIn the same boat man, very glad I’ve been collecting AD&D modules and books.
Think it was just a misdirection tactic? Hasbro has done it before
Gotta appreciate the flex from Roll20 "Hey look, we can do this thing, that hasbro hasn't."
Except Roll20 doesn't make the rules of D&D and still follows closely to the ideals from Hasbro. So whether they can or can't do something doesn't make them really any better.
@Dyanosis it absolutely makes them better because they didn't force their users to convert to the new edition. I don't need them to make any rules. They need only exist as a platform to provide a tabletop game digitally.
Gotta be honest, Hasbro kinda set themselves up for that slam dunk from Roll 20.
Okay, I have to say this:
When you _actually anger JoCat,_ you haven't just screwed the pooch. At that point, you've boned the entire goddamn zoo, every furry at the con, _and_ every Bug Chaser in San Francisco.
Uh oh.
That...gave me 1d4 psychic damage, and I am now taking this seriously.
holy crap, I haven't heard the term "Bug Chaser" in over a decade and I hate more that I know what that is.
Really? Him of all people?
@@glens2019 JoCat is polite, well-mannered, and has a remarkable amount of patience. He is not kind. I would implore people to know the difference. His actual anger is legitimately terrifying. That said I still love him so meh. They deserve whatever comes out of this.
There is a simple solution to all of this mess. Stop. Giving. Hasbro. Your. Money.
Only like 1% of people giving Hasbro theor money know thos happened.
Like 5% know that "Hasbro" is a subject on the internet at all.
Maybe 20% even know that Hasbro is the company in charge of the game they play saturday nights.
Got that message loud and clear in 2008. Never left 3e, don't intend to now.
But...but...but we have to! Dungeons and Dragons is the only RPG out there! /s
@@KelbPanthera2e AD&D here, still the best IMHO.
@@MarquisLeary34 I'm sure this is sarcasm, but that's not the reason any is choosing to spend money on Hasbro. That'd be like saying "stop giving your money to Patreon creators that support 5E" simply because they support 5E. As if their content wouldn't work anywhere else.
I see the title and I’m, like, “HOW!?”
We’re seven layers of, “It keeps getting worse,” now.
Can't wait for the final two layers of "It gets worse" to release so we can finally have the nine layers of D&D H*ll! /j
@@haruhitomaeda4802 Oh yes! Once we're in DnD Nessus, Asmodeus himself will overtake WotC openly instead of operating from the background.
@@Alche_mistwhy future tense?
@@kevoreilly6557 Because nowadays, we're about Maladomini and Asmodeus still operates from background.
Well, it doesn't help that major sources of free advertisement for the franchise (critical role and others) have distanced themselves from DnD and the 3rd largest Kickstarter ever released just wrapped up and is a TTRPG totally independent of Hasbro.
If there's ever a popular alternative that enough creators jump to, DnD is going to lose a ton of money.
D&Dis: "That's a Junji Ito reference, not a sex thing."
Some body horror fetishist somewhere: "They're the same picture."
I left Beyond for the OGL scandal and there has been no reason to come back.
same here.
i downloaded a bunch of my character sheets as PDFs, and I have a few characters that i still have access to as a part of the free version along with the books. But I haven't really needed to go back in quite some time. mostly due to not really being in any games right now. so it kind of works.
but i still prefered Beyond due to the UX over Roll20. I know i could probably import my old characters there as needed to roll20, but I think it'd take a LONG WHILE to do it all manually. 😅
I left DNDBeyond, but it wasn't even the OGL scandal that drove me away. It was their heavy-handed censorship of the DNDBeyond forums. You literally can't discuss Drow lore from before 5th edition, because of the so-called racist allegory people think of when they can't separate a fantasy world from the real world. So, after a few disciplinary warnings for commenting on the make-believe gray-skinned people with pointy ears, I told the forum mods to screw off, my Master subscription is canceled.
Same.
Hasbro/WotC doesn't even bother me anymore. In fact, I feel their customers, after all the warnings and rants from the community, and/or poor treatment they've experiemced, deserve to be treated like wallets found by a sociopath.
I'm even thinking about buying a bunch of shares in the company because I might as well make some money from all the people who can't get it through their heads that walking away instead of engaging with them would help their mental health and enjoy the hobby more.
@@blinkonceonsunday1325 There was this interview with the writer of the Book of Many Things, in which she specifically mentioned that she didn't wrote down that her character is autistic specifically so it doesn't solely define the character when played.
What did the journalist taking the interview do? "FIRST OFFICIAL AUTISTIC CHARACTER IN D&D" pretty much every other line had "autism" or representation in it. And of course people ate it up in the comments.
I dared to say that representation is actually bad and it's stupid to push it like this.
Got a warning for it of course.
But for me it was the MMM book that did it for me, I do still go to the site sometimes for convenience's sake, but that's it.
Same.
I have my physical books, and any new purchase will be through the secondary market.
HASBRO/WOTC can pound sand.
I think we need to be prepared that this is going to KEEP HAPPENING. Hasbro's anti-consumer practices aren't a bug, they're a feature. We're nothing more than an obstacle standing between our wallets and Chris Cocks buying an island to store his horse's Lamborghinis. D&D 2024 is not going to suddenly become a consumer-friendly game, they're going to continue trying to find a way to squeeze every last cent out of us in order to play.
The only way that these anti consumer business practices are actually going to stop is if the company hemorrhages every time it pulls something like this. If every time they're evil 10% leave, then when they 'fix' it everyone comes back, they're going to do it forever. If every time they're evil 60% leave and when they 'fix' it only a quarter of them come back, they're going to stop.
HORSE LAMBORGHINI
Remember,
Pencil, Paper, Dice, People and Imagination is all you need. It's all you EVER need.
And with other systems, some or all of Pencil, Paper and Dice is optional too.
Maybe if you have local friends to game with AND can either host or travel. Not everyone has those luxuries.
@@BlueTressym Add discord, telegram etc now its fixed
ALSO!! Discord and posting a video of your dice rolls (hell there are even server bots made to do this for you in the app itself) can even help you play on paper over long distances if you play mmorpg's and have a group of friends that would like to play a ttrpg with you but distance is a physical barrier.
@@BlueTressymwhy is having friends who live in your local area a luxury?
Even Gygax said, essentially, 'They don't need our stuff for their game.'
You only really own anything if you have a physical copy.
Unless it's a Mac. Apple still owns that.
You need to start putting numbers after your titles.
D&D 2024 Scandal Just Got Worse - Part X
I would it not use Roman numerals because they will just take up way too much space and too many people don't read them correctly when you get into the hundreds or thousands
@@greymane_gaming3435 the X is meant to be the symbol for a variable. easy to think it's roman numerals though.
@@Magevast9 fair enough... I do a lot of work with roman numerals... so that's where my mind went. lol. :D
In America, if you watch an episode of Loki, Disney gets to kill your wife.
And if you buy a book, that book can be stolen from you to be resold again..
Capitalism bad?
@@KingZNIN DINGDINGDING! We have a winner! You're payment will be extracted from your account within 24 hours to continue to fund the purple-gcidal-uniparty. Thank you for your participation. We couldn't do it without your support.
Muh freedom!
@4yUwantAxe so vote for the people the corporate elite hates. There's a reason why pharmaceutical companies, and Blackrock spends millions to elect people like Don and Joe, but spend millions to keep people like Bernie out.
Would love to see stuff burn for the other more corporate side for once
This isn't surprising. Hasbro hates it when people keep playing old editions. Every new edition splits the customer base, those that buy into the new and those that keep playing the old. They want everyone to buy the new edition. That's why we got D&D One (the idea that all of the fanbase would want to move to the new edition). Of course it failed and now they'll try whatever to force the players into the new edition. When it goes all digital with subscriptions, they can force it by deleting or overwriting the previous editions.
And those of us who have not played D&D since 3.5 will laugh at the poor saps who fall for Hasbro's hype
I played 1st edition until 2018. My group switched to 5e in 2018. This was to get new players into our group and to play at conventions. I even DM at my local Game Store. I stopped DMing at my local Game Store this month. I nerve used D&D Beyond and never will. I will keep playing 5e until my players are done with the system.
As for conventions, I’ve started to play Pathfinder. I purchased the three core books, and the starter set. So, I’m good I the conversation side.
At this point I don’t really care what WotC does with D&D. I have 1st, 2nd, 3.5, and 5th editions. I have enough printed models, that can be converted to last until I die. Not to mention I enjoy making my own adventures. So, WotC can just go away, I’m good.
@@jamesmaclennan4525 and it sucks that pathfinder 2nd ed is almost as bad as D&D 4th edition. So, looks like no more RPGing for me at conventions. Guess I will have to start playing board games...
Which is an extremely stupid tactic, since the licenses for the translations aren't supported anymore, effectively alienating a ton of players who don't know much of English.
In my native language, it's absolutely impossible to buy even digital versions of the phbs, let alone physical ones (well, except those that are being sold on 3rd party markets for like 300% the original asking price).
My players don't know English, so if I'm running a 5th edition, i have to translate everything on the fly, it's especially annoying when it comes to the insistence on using the imperial metric system.
Like, at this point why even bother? Warhammer is readily available, so is Cthulhu or Cyberpunk.
@@edwardrhoads7283 PF2e is good. I started playing PF1e a decade ago as my first TTRPG, and PF2e is as fun and nearly as customizable as PF1e without as many of the traps that made bad characters in 1. It's a good system. What do you actually have issues with
I don't care about DnD, I don't know why yt tossed this in my suggestions, but I saw Hasbro and was curious what happened now.
I gotta say, I'm baffled that anyone could have thought this was going in any other direction. Why would Hasbro invest in a digital platform for TTRPG faff for ANY reason except to DRM it and money grab? How could anyone EVER think there was any beneficial, good faith motivation or outcome?
Its like telling yourself that BMW will stop at charging subscriptions for extras like warmed seats. No, never, its 100% definitely just a start to them controlling and charging for everything, at all times, including eliminating features you want when they decide that feature doesn't benefit THEM.
That's the ONLY way accepting services where they didn't used to be CAN go. There is no correction, there is no fixing it, you reject it fully and wholely, or they WIN, always and forever. Companies aren't your friend, they NEVER will be, you cannot give them a single inch. Ever.
If you continue to have Beyond, if you continue to onboard into the hobby with anything less than a full pirate rejection of this service, you will never, ever, win this fight. Period.
probably the worst part of the DDB thing is that they have the most shitty, unintuitive, and unoptimized homebrew tool of any character maker.
I wonder if it is intentional, so buying new well implemented options is more appealing compared to implementing your homebrew
@@einkar4219 maybe, they failed on every aspect. Making homebrew is absolutely terrible with garbage unintuitive controls. Finding homebrew is god awful with the worst less than barebones searching and filtering capabilities. And having homebrew is an massive pain because there's no organization option, no controls to limit what players can see, and the interface is trash that makes it take forever to find or edit homebrew you keep.
I used better back in the dark days of DOS.
that is true, there is no helpful way of understanding it. however in this instance the "create from template" option, the only really functional part and way of learning how to homebrew, would make just copying the 2014 stuff much easier. not that it is a problem that should have even existed in the first place.
@@PrincessSkullcrusher Since those only work by copying an existing item in the system and given how ass they are at making a workable site I wouldn't put it past them to make it so it only uses the current stuff as templates since they planned to change the base spells rather than make them "Legacy" like all the other stuff they retconned.
The dumbest misstep a company can make is to build up a community of nerds around it and then assume the nerds aren't smart.
You can be a nerd and not be smart. And even if you are smart doesn't mean that you don't follow occasionally. Sounds like someone is aware of the idea that nerds aren't, generally, confrontational. As long as the system is working and as long as some/most of their input is being heard, they're generally happy.
Besides, EVERY PIECE OF SOFTWARE has issues. Every one. But I don't see you people complaining. You're literally commenting on a video for a company that has WAY MORE HEINOUS ideas than Hasbro.
@@Dyanosis I mean smart enough to catch their bullshit, not necessarily academically smart. Also just as with anyone else, nerds aren't going after every software. Just the ones that effect their day to day.
Idk, people keep giving Hasbro their money we must not be smart enough 🤷🏼♂️
@@HardReset_YT Fair enough.
@@HardReset_YTthere are just enough smart and vengeful people to prevent hell from truly being raised. But not enough smart and vengeful people to starve Hasbro like they deserve.
They will never take my paper from me. Freedom!
Until they send the Pinkertons around!
Until you want to play online
2nd Edition is the only true Edition.
FREEDOM!!!
@@zockertwinsonly degenerates play online
I, for one, genuinely love the constantly reused thumbnail image running gag.
seconded
"Venmo for initiative."
Chris Cox
I actually laughed at this, but PLEASE don't give him ideas.
Fun fact: I used to play D&D with Bob Odenkirk back in high school. So you better call Saul.
That is EXTREMELY cool. I am very jealous!!!!
Reminder, both the remaster and legacy content for Pathfinder 2e are officially free in perpetuity via Archives of Nethys (oh and pathfinder 1e and starfinder uwu)
You guys deserve better games
AoN does update to match the current errata though. People were mad about losing what can be considered the previous version of errata
@@louisst-amand9207 yeah that sucks
It ain't on par with wotc threatening to take away the older versions for which people paid real money
Call of Cthulu and Everyday Heroes has also entered the chat lol
@@louisst-amand9207 Isen't that how AoN has always worked?
Neither scratched my itch for AD&D style gaming. Sadly. It does not help that I cannot figure out what about AD&D I like so much.
Hasbro wizards did not do "better" they covered their a** after making a huge mistake
The problem with Hasbro/WotC is that all their consumers keep saying, "This is the last straw." But it's never actually the last straw. Until people actually stop paying them, the current owners of D&D will continue to do whatever they want going forward.
100%
But they SAID they're sorry!
People just blindly consume though and ignore any news about a company. See new product, buy new product.
99.99% of Wotc customers don’t give a single solitary hoot about whatever Hasbro or Wotc does. It is an Incredibly and laughably small minority of people who actually care about these controversies. Because the vast majority of people just buy product and never engages in the online sphere of news and information.
I've largely stopped buying WotC products. I've got like 2 or 3 5E books I really want and am trying to buy used if possible and I want to buy reprints of the old core rulesets, but after that I'll no longer be giving my money to D&D.
HASBRO got greedy and tried to squeeze Larian (maker of the Game of the Year BG3) for more money.
They're why DISAPPOINTED gamers aren't getting BG4/ extra content.
HASBROs LEARNED NOTHING after the thier OGL scandal. They fired the Creatives at WotC to transition to Digital Content loaded with "microtransactions". One can only hope that HASBROs incredible mismanagement leads them to sell off WotC !
Hasbro are petty, selfish, and wholesale (sorry, elite purchase) believers in burnt ground. They will do everything they can to rinse WotC drier than antarctica, then destroy it and everything it's ever touched as utterly as possible so nobody else can have a look in.
It's rare that I see a promoter for digital platforms so succinctly demonstrate why the physical mediums are so important as Hasbro has here.
Stuff like this is why I put zero stock in digital copies of anything. I own my books, novels and gaming both. I own my movies with physical copies. I own my music as much as is possible, buying physical copies whenever and where ever I can.
We've been warning people since the 90's and early 2000's that this sort of thing would happen. Nobody listened. Still nobody listens.
Every beginner game I run uses physical books, dice, paper, pencils, minis, and an old grid map. I provide everything; including spare books, dice, and minis for them to use at the table. This way they learn that they don't need to subscribe to anything to play the game.
Great....if you can get to a physical game
I'M NOT ALONE!!! :D
This is why my table is planning to stick with 5e, it's what we know and own stuff for. I've tried Pathfinder 2e, and I can see the appeal, but my point is what's spent is spent. WotC needs my money, but I don't need them anymore.
@@CeleWolfAnd for those that don't already own stuff, there's games like Pathfinder and Lancer and a few others I don't know the names for. There's other options for sure.
@@CeleWolf Absolutely, this is a limitation. A few of my non-beginner groups play on Discord through use of a shared PDF library and screen sharing. I just try to make sure that beginners know that there are non-online options.
This is why you shouldnt support Live Services.
You don't own anything and the company can shittify everything
Yet here you are on UA-cam. Number 1 Live Service where a video you really want to watch, or re-watch, can just go away against your wishes.
@@Dyanosis”Oh I don’t like how Bread Corp only makes the bread in very small sizes”
“Yet here you are, eating toast!”
@@DyanosisUA-cam is free
@@Dyanosishow’s the farming on responses going?
I would disagree. If a community has to threaten legal action for a company to change, there is no reason to give any credit to the company.
As someone who started playing in 1975 with 3 little brown books in a box, I still, when I ever do DM, do it with 1e. It has it's faults but it is still perfectly playable, and I will stick with it do or die. And Hasbro can go *********************. I may be a dinosaur but I am a happy dinosaur.
My only use for a computer is to print off more paper character sheets.
Soooooooooo can I have those little 3 books pretty please!
Same here with my huge library of 2nd ed books, both physical and digital. I have content for a whole life, even if I play every single day to the day I die. Seriously.
Here’s to being a Happy Dinosaur. 74/75 here and ultimately AD&D 1st Edition.
I've still got all my 1st ed AD&D books, my 2nd ed books, and my 3/3.5th ed stuff.
If I'm going to play D&D, that's what I'll use.
Still play 2e
If only Warhammer players had the same conviction to tell GW to piss off with their absurd business model
It’s lore accurate GW is the emperor and we will follow him even if it kills us(financially).
@johnkahananui6930 perhaps Horus was right, brother
@@AKAToxicshroom6930 Says you. I rebelled once the Squats were written out. Okay, not entirely true, I dipped my toes in with Killteam for a little while, but that's it.
@@Geebees93 "Better to have seen it burn in the fires of Horus' ambition...."
It worked for me, I was a whale until they started suing content creators.
I just don't know why anybody bothers with WotC anymore.
People just don't care. 1st party only for them. They don't care how evil a company is as long as they make a product. Product doesn't even need to be the cheapest or highest quality, just the most popular.
I think alot of people are just afraid of learning something new. 5e was really easy to learn most classes you only really need 1 page of information to play.
Agreed. I've been done with WotC since the OGL scandal. I don't know why people don't understand WotC isn't going to get any better.
Why do people still bother with Superman? He’s the first, arguably the best, and the most effed up. Same for DnD.
@@Dudeman715 I's say the issue is the opposite actually. D&D is actually pretty damn difficult to learn in comparison to most other systems. Many RPGs have less pages in thier whole book than 5e does in thier character creation section alone.
Ever since the trademark scandal, I decided to quit D&D.
Other fun tabletop games
-Fantasy TTRPGS
•Shadow Dark
•Dragon Bane
•Pathfinder
•old-school essentials advanced fantasy
•Dungeon Crawl Classics
-Post apocalyptic TTRPGS
•Mutant Epoch
•Mutant Crawl Classics
•Gamma World
and dont forget the sci-fi rpgs like:
-Shadowrun
-Eclipse Phase
-SLA Industries
or the stuff that isnt theme bound like Fate and GURPS
PS: oh and the horror/mystery rpgs like:
-Call of Cthulhu
-Unknown Armies
-Vampire the Masquerade (or well... probably anything from the World of Darkness setting)
*runs screaming back to AD&D1e* Oh wait. I'm already safely there.
Ya know what I'll give it a shot before I play this new version
Long live the OSR.
You're safe there because WoTC has forgotten how to calculate THAC0.
Then why are you here?
"D&D 2024" is fucking stupid. Let's call it what it is. D&D 5.5(E).
The OGL BS was the last straw for me. My table is moving to DC20 or SWAD for our next campaign.
You can pry my hard copies and paper sheets from my cold dead hands.
When it comes to cloud based solutions, he who owns the server, owns the content. I almost feel bad for the people who have sunk deep money into DND Beyond, but this was only possible because Hasbro knows where their server is and can update it at will.
It is fortunate that outcry was successful this time, but we should not rely on it. All of this would not happen if everyone was not so dependent on a cloud they don’t control
I always remember an old co-worker saying "There is no cloud, just your data on some one else's PC"
I sunk nearly a thousand dollars into D&D Beyond, and they will never get another cent from me. I probably should have known, but it was so good for so long. Fool me once, I guess.
"...if everyone was not so dependent on a cloud they don’t control" EXACTLY!
This is why I don't use any cloud based storage solutions. I have my own NAS (3 of them actually: a ASUStor nVME unit, a 4 HD Synology unit, and a small PiBox 2 drive unit) so I don't need to have anyone holding MY data!
I agree. I as a forever DM looked into Beyond to see what it was all about. What I found was that it wasn’t really usable for anything. It was a character builder where all content was sold to you in pieces. Which tingled my spider senses for micro transactions. So I jumped ship right away and never looked back.
Says the person commenting on a UA-cam video. A cloud you don't control.
Paizo recently remastered Pathfinder 2e. The remaster is legitimately not a new edition and is truly compatible with the legacy version. Archives of Nethys and Pathbuilder, the two most popular tools for Pathfinder, managed to update in such a way that you can use the legacy version, the remaster version, or both without having any issues. AoN is run by a handful of volunteers and Pathbuilder is literally just a single person. Both tools are free to use, with Pathbuilder having an optional one time payment of $5 to unlock some of the more advanced options. And yet, they're capable of doing what a massive corporation couldn't manage to pull off with all their money.
WotC is a damned joke. They don't care about the players, they don't care about the quality of the game. All they care about is wringing every last cent out of the player base.
Saying they should get kudos for listening to the community when people threatened lawsuits and canceled accounts, is like saying the shoplifter should get kudos for putting stuff back when he realized he'd been caught on the closed-circuit cameras.
I left because the OGL was the last straw. But because of the OGL thing, the game I went to had to remaster. Pathfinder 2e remastered itself to stop using the DnD OGL as it's backbone... and they remastered better than DnD did. They point out what spells are legacy and not, and make it clear that while they prefer you remaster, you don't have to outside of Society play. Don't forget you all can play Pathfinder for free.
My partner reintroduced me to miniatures. I broke myself of the habit after my SiL stole all my Ral Partha miniatures for happy pills. I won't touch the new edition of D&D. Won't touch the virtual space or any monetized digital version of D&D.
Reapers, on the other hand, is probably going to get some money from me now. My partner, is screwed. I must... get more miniatures!
I got a resin 3D Printer last year at Christmas, now I have a table full of unpainted set pieces and miniatures and my wife is baffled how I addicted I am to making them even though I never play them. She enabled me, that's all I can say.
Ral Partha Legacy exists and probably has most of those figures in production.
I recommend giving RalParthaLegacy a look. I love the quality of their miniatures and you support a small business! I don't think they have everything but a good portion. (I have an old gnoll pack I bought from an estate sale I haven't seen on the website yet)
The hilarious part is that almost every other RPG that has online character sheet generator/trackers are free. With no extra bs attached.
Hasbro can burn in hell just like the rest of its games.
Interactive ready to print sheets are also a thing LMFAO. Hasbro is just a soulless greedy corpo POS
To be fair so does D&D. You just need to go to Roll 20 or Foundry instead of Beyond.
You're condemning a company and all of its games based on recent decisions? That's weird. I think I see someone who will be joining them in Hell with that kind of attitude.
@@Dyanosis Recent decisions? Hasbro has been burying games 6ft under for decades at this point. They have zero idea how to do anything with their IPs other than milk them dry until you can't even use the remains as fertilizer.
@@DyanosisThey sent the Pinkertons to someone's house
I'm glad that users scared Hasbro enough to split the 2014 and 2024 section into two versions on D&D Beyond.
I'm not really on there anymore due to the OGL thing and cancelled back then. But I'm glad that in the off chance i need to use some of my characters and books that are still there, there's still there in the state I left them just in case.
Those creations of yours are only there for as long as WotC care to leave them there. At any given moment they could be removed. Just like what they just did by altering character sheets. You don’t own these things in D&D Beyond, you are just renting them.
that I know.
i did download them in pdf sheet form.
Stop giving Hasbro money
I know, right? It's a simple solution.
Never understood the popularity of DnD Beyond when it’s so easy to get your hands on pdfs
It is (or was) great to build high-level characters for combat-heavy one-shots.
Like the other commenter said, character building. That’s it! That’s all beyond really got you
It's so strange to me why they don't allow players access to ALL EDITIONS. It's just more money for them...scratching my head.
because its about control - they want to control what players can do and use, because that allows them to lock people into their system if it works long enough...and then they can charge them whatever they want - the perceived price to leave would be too high
Honestly I'm just glad me and my group never used DnDBeyond to begin with.
We can just continue to play our game the way we like and switch to another system once the campaign is done.
Hasbro/Wotc: *Does something terrible for the 1000th time*
Dnd players: "That's it. This is the FINAL straw! I'm out!"
Hasbro/Wotc: "Sorry about that, won't happen again, please come back?"
Dnd players: "Oh, well when you put it like that..."
Rinse and repeat until the end of time.
As a quick reminder for those who mostly play D&D - The vast majority of digital versions of TTRPGs are in the form of DRM-free PDFs. No subscription, and if you prefer the older version of a game you can save it forever even if the file gets updated on the store front you bought it from. Hasbro's approach for digital versions of 5e is far from the industry standard.
(Also the expectation of minis also feels pretty new. Even in more tactical combat oriented TTRPGs, 'white board and mancala beads' used to be the expectation with anything above that being gravy. I can improvise a fight with whatever nonsense my players pick a fight with, even if that thing didn't exist until halfway through the session, just give me a biobreak to figure out a stat block for it. We can imagine it. The thing I worry about with is players asking fewer questions and instead substituting that process for taking whatever's on the map as present and whatever's not on the map as absent the more detailed that map gets. I know I'm more likely to ask a GM if there are barrels in the corner I can hurl at my enemy if we're either doing TotM combat or a crudely sketched map onto a white board, when you get the sort of detailed 2d maps that Pathfinder modules or Czepeku puts out I stop asking those questions, and I can only imagine that getting worse with the sort of 3d modelled maps want to default to. I swear sometimes I wonder if my ideal VTT is a virtual whiteboard with better drawing options than roll20 has, a dice bot (and maybe cards) attached, but a lot of that comes from playing a lot of games that... Aren't... tactical combat focused. And some I play a VTT as light as that wouldn't work, but not in a way that adding the sorts of features Roll 20 and Foundry seem to have would fix)
As an aside - 15:06: I'm far from the biggest 'realism' guy but... black tanga cut briefs as default underwear for a faux-medieval/renaissance setting? That feels... Unlikely... For most D&D settings in a way that makes even me go 'wait, what?'
Cze & Peku are far from the only map makers in the space. Morvold Press, FA Battlemaps, Venatus Maps, Tych, Crossland, Tom Cartos, Birdie Maps, someone you know who uses Dungeon Draft... tons of good map makers out there.
The problem with virtual maps is that it can also leads to assumptions that the DM doesn't want. Like showing barrels in the corner but the DM constantly has to say "there aren't actual barrels".
For sure. Need to remember that Hasbro/WotC's D&D is but *one* RPG brand, not the entire RPG hobby/industry.
While from one perspective, having a "top dog" may be desirable so as to facilitate commonality and opportunity in play; but from another perspective, it is oppressive and leads to other systems not getting a fair chance to shine - in some cases they may shine many times brighter - being "better D&D" than D&D.
"A rising tide raises all ships" was said by many in this space in regards to the hope of D&D's popularity bringing others into the RPG hobby as a whole, however, Hasbro/WotC don't want other games to ride their D&D's coat-tails. Very selfish and disingenuous company, who are only interested in your money.
This hobby's tools were meant to be funded by the consumer to keep the content creators afloat. It was not intended, nor designed, as a money making scheme for shareholders and executives - which is what Hasbro/WotC is trying to do.
Remember, some have been playing D&D since before PC meant Apple IIe.
I would be one of those people 👆
As would I!✋
AD&D Core Rules still runs on my laptop. Though I have to fix the help files every update. 😒
Old farts crew. Represent!
Yes!
"Or try exalted essence."
..."Wake the fuck up Player, we got a creation to burn."
10,000 Dragons will fight for a Creation that is still worth saving.
@@TheGlennsof honestly. I hate when d&d players only stick to that game only. It's like they are afraid of trying new things. Knew a guy who was trying to adapt Cyberpunk into D&D, and Call of Cthulhu into that game as well.
I don't think I have seen any other channel that used the words "D&D" and "Scandal" as much as this one. It gets my view everytime.
'Tis glorious. She does the research and has great meme injections. Only thing I check about the title is if it is RPG (which I'll always watch) or minis (which I don't watch).
@@orokusaki1243honestly too much of the community is soft-hearted, forgiving, and optimistic. I'm glad it's mostly nice people, but Hasbro will take advantage of that.
Someone needs to keep ringing the alarm and calling them in their bs.
I'm thankful for these rants.
@@chrisgonsalves3581 There's certainly the crowd where:
Creator: "you should be outraged!!"
Audience: "...hmm..hey! i'm ourtraged!!"
But I believe a large percentage of Discourse's viewers are also critical thinkers, or at least savvy enough to have a fair grip on the landscape. If anything, these rants are a way to consolidate all the parts of the problem and express the apparent concern - a springboard for the individuals to each form their own views on the matter and further investigate on their own.
Man, WotC continues to be Paizo's greatest supporters.
Clickbait, drama and really dark humour. Everything that I subscribed for.
This was no mistake, misstep or oversight: "If something appears in 2024 it replaces whatever appeared in previous books" - Jeremy Crawford
its pretty much an oversight. An oversight in development going only about the items names instead of unique IDs that would have differentiate 2014 and 2024 content from another.
@@CathrineMacNiel no, re-read the quote. They always intended it to fully replace anything that has the same name. Everywhere, including Beyond.
@@BobMcDowell just a distraction :)
I'm 3 minutes in, and you haven't mentioned why JoCat was in the thumbnail.
WHY IS JOCAT IN THE THUMBNAIL??
I can't be expected to sit through 17 minutes to learn this the normal way.
Instant gratification, please
(yes, I am attempting to be funny 😊)
Edit. 6:52 makes it all clear.
Im no longer outraged, except for all the usual stuff
Average tiktok/shorts consumer attention span:
I'm prescribing you a 2 hour essay made by an enthusiastic individual discussing their love of a niche topic. Please see the receptionist to book your follow up appointment.
@@conspiracypanda1200 say what now? I saw a pretty... UHHH Doggo!!!
@@conspiracypanda1200Let me guess:
JoCat's Crap Guide: The Movie. 😼
@@autobotstarscream765 aww. I want that
Yeah, the refusal to just call it 5.5 is some kind of marketing debacle gone sideways.
There's a formula for this that we all already use: new version? 6e
Updating the previous version? 5.5
This concept that they'd make "one DND" and never change DND again just doesn't even fit with rpg games ever
Real happy I have all my 3.5 books in hard copy and PDF. It's all still out there if you want to get off the Hasbro roller coaster.
3.0MM + 3.5 PHB & DMG
this allows for the epic level handbook to be used
Lo, one of my people! Was beginning to think I was alone out here. 😁
Been running a 3.5 campaign for over a decade now with no plans to ever switch.
Here is the real question, is Hasbro worse than GW? 🤔
Has GW called the Pinkertons on anyone yet?
Absolutely
if the update is being forced and is "replacing" the 2014 content, then every person who owns a digital version of the 2014 PHB, DMG, MM, (and any others that get updated) should be at no charge.
if 2014 = 2024, then don't need to buy 2024 because 2014 becomes 2024
Step 1: Once we control them, we own them.
Step 2: Once we own them, they will pay.
Step 3: Once they pay, we profit.
Step 4: Make it extremely inconvenient to un-subscribe via Snail Mail with a $2.00 un-subscription fee.
Step 5: Release 6th edition, Rinse and Repeat.
- Signed Wizards .... Probably
Yeah, i find myself increasingly more on DM's Guild, Kickstarter, and Kobold Press for new books instead of WOTC. They just increasingly prove what they're about and it isnt good quality content, nor is it the players. If i find something in 2024 Content I like, i'll just screenshot it.
I have a friend who's kid is starting to get into DnD. She asked me if I could GM some games for him and so I was considering buying and reading the new DnD books (I'm a PF2e and old school 3.5 player). Thank you for the update on this. I think I'm going to hold off until the shenanigans end - assuming they ever do.
Rather maybe show the kid how things should really be done, with pencil and paper and physical dice!
This. ☝️
Just because a company does silly things doesn't mean you can't run a game or two in 5e (the system the kid is getting into). I assume you would be doing this in person, so none of this even affects the scenario.
Unless this kid and their friend pool that sparked that initial interest are all waiting to start with 5e 2024 (their not) and do so online only (their not) then just run the kid through the game.
If you can get the 2014 books on sale sure, the problem that is talked about here apparently was fixed after a couple of days, but the video creator doesn't seem to cover that. At least as far as I've seen I'm half way through the video.
2024 books seems to be light changes to the 2014 to clean things up. I'd say it's technically a little better than 2014 going off what I've seen. Basically turning a 7 out of 10 to a 7.5[going off the base book. 2014 has a lot more options, and good starter games like phandover and ice spire both great starts and only like $20 if not less.... plus every character option is free online. Wikidot
@@KingZNIN all of the books are readily available. Between DnD wikidot and 5etools there isn't much you'd need to pay for. Dice maybe.
Spoiler it wont end until they have total digital control
or the back lash is so bad they have to fire the CEO (he has a track record pushing the community to the breaking point then being asked to leave)
Apart from blind greed, could there be another reason for the execs to go from blunder to blunder? Like trying to devalue the IP for something?
I think it's more obvious that Hasbro is just incompetent. They don't know how to make games, they know how to market an IP. I think the early warnings were back when they got upset the singular Teifling model they made wasn't selling so they tried to tell players that they weren't allowed to make their Teiflings look different from the model. They had no idea what they were getting into when they enveloped WotC. D&D is an imagination game, but that doesn't work when you're a toy company. Toy companies need recognizable characters they can plaster everywhere on everything. That's their bread and butter. Now if they were *smart* they could have done a deal with Hero Forge or make their own Hero Forge style website, but that wouldn't have solved the recognizable characters to be plastered on everything (cue the Space Balls merchandizing riff.) I do believe when it becomes painfully obvious that WotC is bleeding them *so* much money the shareholder sharks will start circling, but due to said incompetency, I actually think we have a while before that happens.
Nope. They're just trying to force a market movement. They want their players on their reservation so they can use the same cancerous "game as a service" model that so much of the videogame industry has moved to. It's pure greed without being tempered by the wisdom of understanding what they're selling.
@@MoonLitChild Gee, if only DnD had, like, a 40 year history of recognizable characters they could plaster all over everything. >_>
But even if they don't want to pay old people royalties or w/e, they could just try making a quality product, let people latch onto whatever character, then slap their mug all over a bunch of mugs.
@@Dynme Really. The problem is they only care about the history of the game in the sense of weaponizing nostalgia-- beyond that it means nothing to them, even though a Dritzst series could have them singing all the way to the bank. They could have done something Ravenloft based that wasn't Strahd, and they're trying to make money with the Stranger Things/Vecna tie in but if memory serves he was kind of a minor/flash in the pan boss from an only moderately successful pre-made campaign back in the day-- the main AD&D setting I played in was Ravenloft but we never did pre-made campaigns back then. The problem with, like, a Strahd thing as far as merchandizing him is he's still not mass appeal and there are no pre-made heroes they can also slap on to the merch. The reason it's so hard, even now for D&D to have mass appeal is that the heroes all come from the players heads. There are ways to monetize that (again, a Hero Forge sort of thing) but one of Hasbro's biggest manufacturing plants in China was literally swept away in a flood a few months ago and rather than taking that as a chance to shake up at least part of their whole business strategy, they're rebuilding the plant as it was. It's impossible to get a company to learn anything, or change their mind once they get the shareholders' blessings to go in a completely new direction-- once that roadmap is laid out they have to keep doubling down because otherwise the shareholders will know they're not gonna be getting their return on investment. That's the biggest issue with corporations as big as Hasbro-- by the time they announce plans to the public, the money for those plans are already tied up so very little short of a class action lawsuit by the customer base will get them to change their minds/adjust where that money is going.
I've never used D&D beyond. Seemed a waste to lock myself into wizards when I could keep a folder of character sheets
Anyone who still gave money to wotc after the OGL where fools.
Anyone nafter this deserves to get ripped off
Man, someone should really lock up the shovel that Wizards of the Coast is using. Cause this grave is already 15 feet deep.
Thank you for being brave enough to speak the truth and not pander to wotc and the softcore player tourists.
Isn't that everyone that has ever played anything dnd over the last 25 years
If i need anything from WOTC im just going to hoist my sails
Never had these issues back when we played with player sheets and dice..(And a DM hiding behind a wall of cardboard rolling your fate)
The best!
Actually there was a 2nd edition OGL type scandal. I don’t remember the year but TSR still owned AD&D. The internet was just coming into being useful. DM’s and players started to post Modules and Characters on news groups. TSR attempted to lay claim to these items as being created using their game system. Sound familiar? Well TSR never got to claim anyone else’s Modules or Characters. Some people don’t learn from history. I mean both the players and the manufacturers.
By forcing everything online, they don’t need your permission to steal from you, it will be buried in the legal contract you agree to when you use their services. Just look at the history of Adobe and Adobe Acrobat. Free to use the full Adobe Acrobat for many years, then nope pay up. I give WotC about 3 to 4 years before they pull this stunt. Who really reads all of the legal text to use an app or program? I do, but I’m unusual.
Nostalgia's a wonderful thing, but online platforms enable a lot of players to keep playing when the tyrannies of distances, lost friendships, and (if you've played as long as me) player deaths would otherwise make it really difficult to stay in the hobby. Just because Hasbro suck doesn't mean the entire concept of using digital devices for remote gaming is flawed per se.
Sure, nothing beats sitting around the table with your buddies. But if you can't have that, playing on Roll 20 or Foundry (or whatever) is still pretty damn close.
@@garysturgess6757 We used to do this before PCs were even in the household. Play by Mail was a thing. I have legit played D&D over a party line with my group, and we had a great time. I know you can use a video chat program. There are on-line dice rollers.
Giving away your control for convenience.
"You will own nothing and be happy".
Back to old skool where the:
- 80's expense goal after manuals, modules, dice & pencils/paper was snacks and drinks!
- 2010's expense goal was equipment + miniatures, lap top and custom printed gridded maps.
- 2020's expense goal is all the above + digital subscriptions. An adult expense not for teenagers.
Us old players use our computers and fillable 5e PDF files that can't be cancelled/changed by a 3rd party. Creating campaigns? Word and Excel. Battlemap with wet erase markers and 3d printed minis or for swarms - dice. Are we moving to the new system? Nope. Might cherry pick some things from it but that's about it.
If I buy something but don’t own it, then piracy is not theft.
No idea why anyone would pay for DnD products from Wizard of the Coast anymore.
I love that D&D gives us a platform to test real-world things out. "What if I was a hat guy?", "What if I was more confident?", "What if I was homosexual?", "What if we all protested and refused to pay corrupt monolithic greedy corporations, taking over things WE paid for claiming it's for our own good?"
I mean, yeah. It seemed pretty obvious to me that wotc is aiming to essentially turn DnD into a video game played and perpetually updated and erratad on DNDBeyond.
That's why they can afford to have gamebreaking balance issues like the upcast if conjure minor elementals, or straight up non functional feats, like the grappler feat.
I expect they were planing to just 'patch' issues like this through DNDBeyond and if they ever needed to update anything, they could just perpetually patch, just like a video game.
With that thought 'One'DnD makes a lot more sense. they just want one edition they can edit, or 'patch', as needed.
I find it funny that they're trying to monetize a game that we can FREELY PIRATE JUST BY KNOWING HOW TO PLAY IT
SHADOWDARK WON 4 ENNIE AWARDS! Switch to Shadowdark now and use its mechanics for all D&D adventures from B/X through 5E!
If you liked DnD 5e this is not the game system for you. If you kind of never liked what DnD 3+ made out of the original DnD this might work for you.
@@Chiungalla79nonsense, Shadowdark is simplified 5e and played in a certain style. It’s as much the culture of play as the rules
@@Chiungalla79 If you want more the 5e-like modern style, my bets are on DC20 (by The Dungeon Coach), that tries to solve the HP inflation and other 5e pains in a different way, allowing for still character-driven game (as opposed to old school player-driven style), but still tactical when the battle commences (if you want to go for the "most dramatic possible" plays instead of tactics, go for Daggerheart).
@@davidmc8478
It`s absolutely not. I can`t fathom how you can think that this has the same style as DnD 5e. Are you insane? That`s where they differ the most.
DnD 5e is high power high fantasy. Shadowdark is gritty low fantasy.
Completely different approaches to roleplaying. Completely different approaches to game design.
Yes, they share some basic game mechanics. But the are completely different genres of RPG.
@@Alche_mist
I don`t. I don`t particularly like DnD. And the games I enjoy are very far distant from DnD in more than one aspect.
DC20 seems like it might hopefully be a well designed game that completely fails to adress my needs and wants.
Could also be a mayfly hyped up by another kickstarter by a RPG-semi-celebrity with the support of others of his kind.
But I have what I need.
What few people these days realise is how different roleplayers are. And that not nearly all of us want games like DnD. The problem is that DnD is such a monolith that few players actually move out of its shadow (which also includes OSR and slightly modified clones). Including players that would like other systems better.
Just now I spend half a year of one shots to lure my GM away from DnD. And it took me half a year despite the fact that his GM style never was any good for DnD. ;-)
Stop bullying them into screwing you over less. Leave entirely and take your business to a place that won't.
Remember, talk with your money. Words are just barely a supplement to them.
The problem with "vote with your wallet" is that you can only ever abstain or support. Raising awareness of the unattractive nature of the agreement in the general discourse actually acts to discourage shareholders as well as other consumers.
@TheGlennsof Very true. Money speaks to companies the loudest, so then they have to pay attention to your grievances. So, you should definitely do both.
"I hope you want ads for transformers in your D&D." Hasbro has owned Dungeons and Dragons for over 20 years and there hasn't been a Cybertron module made... And they wonder why I don't support them...
*PRIMUS-WORSHIPPING PALADIN OPTIMUS PRIME IS RIGHT THERE, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM!?*
I personally never used D&D Beyond, and still doesn’t. (My GM doesn’t either. And with how often we use either 3th party extensions, home-brews ones, or both, it’s probably best that way.) That said, I’m not sure D&D beyond can be used from France without using a VPN, so…
From what I've heard in this video, this is just an extension of the OGL. They were trying to take player's IP and content for themselves with the new OGL contract, and now they're are digitally doing away with player's content because it's no longer "up to date." I know this company very well being a Magic the Gathering player and I can tell you all they want to do is control the players in ANY WAY they can.
I accepted that Hasbro/WotC was basically a lost cause back in late 2022. I stopped caring all together back in June. They're gonna do whatever they want with the game. It's just a matter of when and how. I've moved onto blogging about greener pastures.
Still love your videos, though. I'll watch you no matter what. Keep up the excellent work! 💚💚👽
So basically my birthday was in June, my mother gifted me the 2024 player handbook for Players, I wanted to know about character creation, have ideas for my characters for when I could find friends to play with and also as larp oc creations, but now it’s all changed by new rules just even less than a year? And the worst thing is that I love they added new subclasses and prefer the new book cover than the first one 😹😹😹
This sort of crappe is why I've never even touched D&D Beyond despite thousands of hours of running online D&D games
As WotC has proven, bullying does in fact work.
Paper character sheets are da weh.
Only if you have local friends you can game with, plus the ability to either host or travel to the game. Online gaming is huge and won't be going away anytime soon.
"Urge to Pinkerton the peasants rising..." - Hasbro WoTC
2:57 The computer is your friend. Happy day cycle, citizen!
If only Friend Computer had authorized the distribution of qualine to all of these insubordinate infrareds, this whole scandal could've blown over much more quickly.
Friend Computer would not do such a thing. Friend Computer would give us BOTH books, and everyone would be happy. But of course, being unhappy is treason, and you're not a filthy commie. Right?
No credit. They didn't fix a mistake because this is like the third or fourth attack. At this point, it is probing the perimeter to find a vulnerability to sneak in. If they keep attacking and pull back at no loss, they have no reason to stop trying. Hell, as you said, they doubled down; they aren't even worried about over committing.
I serriously hope, your grand parents will be fine!
Respectfully, until she learns raise dead in real life....
For Pension purposes, they are! For food and heating purposes, not so much.
Hasbro portray D&D as 'the hobby'. I pity the people who don't know better. There is a whole universe of wonderful RPGs out there, created by people who actually love what RPGs are.
A message that needs to be spread as fiercely as possible.
I feel like I'm going to open one of my cupboards and pull out my old version of AD&D 2nd edition ....
its a better game than 5.5e... hell give the players 3e feat choices and actual skill progressions
I stopped supporting WOTC after the OGL scandal initially happened and fully switched over to Pathfinder (first 1e then 2e), but over time I found the over abundance of rules was mentally tiring to use and read. I’ve since discovered the Old School Renaissance movement and I love what I’m seeing. I’ve bought Old School Essentials Classic Fantasy and some of the Basic Fantasy RPG books, both based on the B/X D&D box sets, and I’ve just finished preparing my first campaign in OSE. The simplicity but infinite potential is staggering, and the mantra “rulings over rules” is super freeing.
This is why you buy hard copies of everything, except DnD, which you should no longer spend money on.
11:15 the vast majority of pet food is actually not anywhere near human grade and is usually just barely good enough to keep the pets themselves going. Also salt, like everything else, is only bad for you in excess.
This has been a lesson in nutrition and the corrupt world of pet food.
Oh
I sort of feel bad for player who have never had a paper character sheet. I began playing D&D before the internet, even before personal computers, the only option was paper and pencil. I gotta tell you -- it is not that bad. Instead of clicking a box on a screen, you check a box on a piece of paper and VOILA, a spell is cast!!
My group used DNDB for chargen but we play on Foundry. Truth be told, I dont think it would be THAT much of a hassle to drop DNDB (I cancelled my sub during OGL stuff).
Keep up the good work and the great content!! Thank you!
@3:59, It's time for Pathfinder.