Godzilla Has Always Been Silly (And That's Okay)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire is about to drop in theaters this Friday, and a lot of people are comparing it to the Academy Award Winning Godzilla Minus One. Godzilla is a long franchise with a lot of silly monsters. But while some might criticize the silliness, I say....EMBRACE the goofiness.
The cognitive dissonance of Godzilla fandom is having people on one side lauding Minus One and deriding the Legendary movies as brainless popcorn fodder for babies, while on the other side, you have other people just as stridently claiming that Godzilla is Not That Serious and demanding we keep politics out of their big stompy monster movies, as if both aspects haven't been baked into the premise since the very beginning.
Reminds me of how the director of minus one absolutely LOVES the new goji toy.
Not me, noticing the symbology and imagery representing world topics as a kid...
People really do be odd huh? 😂
And then there's the rest of us who don't want to involve ourselves in that debate because we know that Godzilla is a narrative device to represent whatever you need it to, whether that be nuclear disaster, a protector of nature, parenthood, friendship, or freaking bureaucracy
I think it’s a buncha poser new fans
@@mclovinpo this right here... Is not 100% true but it basically is true
"How dare a movie where a giant lizard and a giant monkey fight not give me existential dread or have a commentary on the government!"
In all seriousness, GxK actually has a lot of heart and personality.
i hate gxk because it didn't mention 9/11 mrenter reference
On that note, a Godzilla vs kong film can also be hella political. Godzilla symbolizes Mankind's horrific, ludicrous destructive power, not just Nukes, but general warfare and the Military Industrial complex as well. Kong is the innocent being exploited. Therefore, you can have a visceral, savage kaiju film that ostensibly looks like a generic Kaiju fight schlock but go heavy on the symbolism(e.g the human characters capture kong, forcefully conscript him, basically, have him fight Godzilla who is the bi product of Nuclear testing which the Military industrial complex invested in) and, instead of the fight being a heroic back and forth, Have Godzilla absolutely demolish and humilate kong to symbolize how the Military industrial complex throws the innocent to the met grinder nd how the weapons it produces violently tears the conscripted apart in wartime.
Seriously, Godzilla is one of those characters that can be used in several different roles.
If the movie needs an allegory for Nuclear Holocaust, Godzilla can be that.
If it needs a fire-breathing villainous vertebrate, Godzilla can be that.
If it needs a former villain slowly becoming a hero, Godzilla can be that.
If it needs a prototype Captain Planet, Godzilla can be that.
If it needs a giant monster version of Mr. Mom, Godzilla can be that.
He’s a character that has a career that most real life actors would KILL for!
He’s allowed to fluctuate between Humorous and Horrifying…and there’s NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
And this is why our boi Goji is awesome, it's been done 30+ times and Goji will do it again.
Showa era lore be like:
Godzilla has even been shrunk to human size and snuck around in a hat and trench coat like a Ninja Turtle and thrown hands with biblical God and fought an extra dimensional spacetime warping pool noodle that was called Ghidorah for some reason
From goofy comic nonsense to fighting dieties and lovecraftian horrors, the big lizard really can fit any tone
Damn right. There's even a dope fan-made version of him, called "Godzilla: Black Mass", where he's a horrific, pseudo-lovecraftian, walking end of the world scenario.
That's why Godzilla has the star in Hollywood Walk of Fame. Seriously, is there any kaiju/monster has their star in walk of fame than Godzilla? He is a superstar that will never aged but only evolved based on theme they want to fit in.
Godzilla says: Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
You did a better job than what Dr. skipper did. He started to say Godzilla is public domain in America. I’m not a lawyer but I’m sure that not how public domain works.
Yeah, that vid is ridiculous.
Japanese media has always been know for combining silly with serious (Cyborg 009 is the example I know most about)
Even a serious manga like Berserk has few or some silly moments on to it.
I still hope for a full on crossover of Godzilla and Ultraman someday with Jet Jaguar also featuring as a nod to the inspiration.
As a long time Godzilla fan who has seen literally ever piece of media in the franchise, my favorite film by far is Godzilla: Final Wars, which has to be an easy contender for the stupidest Godzilla movie ever, and that's specifically what I love so much about it.
I rewatched it before GxK and it put the biggest smile on my face.
Godzilla played football in that one, didn't he?
OMG! That's my favorite Godzilla movie too! I just love how over the top it is.
@@lunaitor-uq9hzWith Anguirus as the ball. lol
Final wars stans unite!
My first introduction to Godzilla.
It's Godzilla 1998. The American one. Although, my memories of the film is hazy, but my true first love was Godzilla: The Animated Series. I loved the artstyle and characters in it.
Fond memories indeed.
My favorite Kaiju is between Jet Jaguar, MechaGodzilla, Destroyah, and Ghidorah
I think it's good that Godzilla can be either goofy or serious since I see it as more room to work with.
Godzilla is whatever the plot needs him to be
A hero
A villain
Or kamata kun
Sometimes, you can, in fact, have your cake and eat it too.
The two cakes, one cake, (Godzilla minus one) second cake, (Godzilla x Kong The New Empire.)
Loved minus one, but i'm really looking foward a fun time with new empire!
Minus one was better
New empire honestly might have been better without Godzilla. He's so unnecessary to the plot and does nothing basically
@@dr.wolfstar1765go away Godzilla x Kong was so fun! It’s a totally different movie.
@@dr.wolfstar1765
>hes so unnecessary to the plot
does he have to be?
i mean EVERY titan in the movie except the ape titans are "unnecessary to the plot".
you could argue shimo is necessary but if you want to have shimo then you gotta have goji too cause aint no way kong is beating that thing alone without goji's help
@@dr.wolfstar1765 don't care get crushed by the giant spider that just got shoulder bashed by big lizard
Even in Shin Godzilla, Godzilla starts off as a hilariously goofy limbless fish thing. Half the movie is making fun of how people will have meetings about having meetings. These movies are very silly and that silliness is inherent to how even the things we are scared of can be kind of stupid.
making fun of? aren't jokes supposed to be funny?
@@claymationgloves3662Shin Godzilla was hilarious because of that tonal dissonance, what are you talking about?
@@thelandlockedkaiju4820 How? there was not a single scene in it worth laughing at. you were either straight faced and bored or looking at the visuals in awe
"criticizing the government is silly" ok dude
Are you mentally ill? There is not ONE funny moment in shin godzilla are you kidding me?
To my memory, I was first introduced to Godzilla all the way back in 2014. Before then, I loved (and still love) dinosaurs. Any movie that had a dinosaur in it, good or bad, I watched. One day, me and my dad were scrolling through movies on tv to watch and that’s when I saw it. The poster for Godzilla 2014. I immediately wanted to watch it just from the sight of the poster alone, and I did. And I was blown away by it. I instantly became drawn to Godzilla. I loved seeing him fight the Muto’s on screen. Not long after, I then watched the 1998 Godzilla movie. My moms dad had a bunch of movies he let us have, and one of them was that. So I watched it and was immediately…..confused. I had only seen two Godzilla movies at this point and didn’t know anything about the other movies, so I thought this movie was a sequel to Godzilla 2014. I didn’t like how Godzilla laid eggs, I didn’t like how he couldn’t breathe atomic breath, and I didn’t like how he was killed by missiles lol. But later on as the years went by, I began learning more and more about Godzilla. And I eventually started watching the Japanese movies, specifically Godzilla Final Wars, Godzilla Vs Mechagodzilla 2 and Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster. I also watched the rest of the Monsterverse too but I was always more interested in the Japanese Godzilla movies. And ever since then, the big G us really left quite an impact on me.
The political message of Return of Godzilla is that it’s a social commentary of The Cold War and the fear that the world could end in nuclear fire.
1984’s The Return of Godzilla DOES have an allegory; mainly focusing on the Cold War nuclear tensions and Japan being caught in the middle.
I just find it very strange to claim that the film doesn’t have any metaphorical value when it absolutely does.
As someone that loved GxK, this was a very bad defense of it.
Godzilla being goofy we all say "hell yeah"
I like both versions of Godzilla. I love watching Godzilla beat up a big monke or fight a giant dragon. It’s awesome. But I also like the darker more serious movies. I love the original and how unnerving it is. I love the disturbing design of shin Godzilla. I love the very personal and human story of Godzilla minus one. What makes Godzilla so good to me is that you can have a fun action movie while also still having something more serious and grounded and maybe even terrifying. That’s what makes him so special.
There's this hour and half video essay I watched a few years ago by a youtuber who's a hardcore Godzilla fan himself, and it was about how the nostalgia for the Showa era, as well as bad English dubs and product placements, was what ruined Godzilla from being taken seriously by the masses, which was why he hated the later Monsterverse films after 2014. He left youtube though, so I doubt he'll ever get any problem responses from other Godzilla fans disagreeing with him.
Anyway, Mechagodzilla is my favorite kaiju. Wish it wasn't done dirty in the anime trilogy both design wise and role wise. T_T
what was dat video if u remember?
The original Godzilla movie was a Nuclear Apocalypse allegory about the destruction of man, but it was also about a man in a costume smashing a model city. It is a narrative dichotomy whose flexibility allows it to be a big monster bash about kaiju's dropkicking each other, and a serious political satire about PTSD and government inaction.
There's a difference between a movie looking silly because of outdated special effects, and a movie's plot being pureposely silly.
@@Electro21964 was it not supposed to be silly when Godzilla did his happy dance in Invasion of Astro-Monster?
@@riotbreaker3506 Whoopty doo, only one scene.
Even then, Honda regretted putting that into the movie.
@@Electro21964 one scene??? Have you ever seen a Godzilla movie? There's 38 of them, and goofy things in each one.
@@riotbreaker3506 There's a difference between fantastical concepts, and genuinely silly shit.
Is Lord of the Rings silly for featuring dragons and elves?
Is Star Wars silly for having lightsabers and Death Stars?
The thing that I love so much about the Legendary series is the passion it clearly has for the entirety of the franchise.
Gareth Edwards 2014 film is still the best to me but as great as it was seeing the gravity of humanity being humbled by nature and circumstances beyond their control, he still characterized Godzilla with grumpy old man motions swatting mortars like mosquitoes so he could shamble back to bed.
That acknowledgement of the franchise's entirety from the start has helped the shift to Showa-esque camp of the Godzilla & Kong features feel not only palatable but frankly, welcome after how grim and lifeless King of The Monsters' mid-Heisei self seriousness felt.
It's been a beautiful marriage of all eras of Godzilla and as much as I love Minus One, the variety has been what's really keeping this franchise cooking.
New Empire and vs. Kong get to be silly because Shin and Minus One are dramatic. The push to make them all homogeneous to a single tone is antithetical to the Renaissance Godzilla is currently in.
OK, here is my major issue with your argument.
"GvK and GxK were goofy because Shin and -0.1 were dark."
First, the Anime Trilogy and Singular Point are clearly forgotten by the fanbase and now that -0.1 is out people are acting as if Toho can all of a sudden do no wrong.
Second, you acknowledged how the MV started, then you misreoresented KOTM as depressing yet also acknowledged the similarities with the Heisei era, and then you said that it's OK for an ongoing continuity with limited copyright access to tge classic monsters to tonally shift and abandon its previous narratives because a bunch of movies continuity independent from one another tgat came oit after the MV already began from a company with access to a ginormous roster of wacky characters decided to have the same tone.
Out of the 2 companies I described, which one would make more sense to focus on a more serious multi-movie narrative and which one to experiment with wackier scenarios and characters?
@@KingGoji-m1r3 I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.
@@KingGoji-m1r3 Yep, should have seen that you had nothing of value to say or imply in that response.
Please, by all means, keep mocking people just because they raise concerns over how their favourite series are progressing.
@@KingGoji-m1r3 How are they poorly written? Please, elaborate...if you can.
@@KingGoji-m1r3 Except it makes sense.
I pointed out 2 things:
1. People are hypocritically not taking Singular Point and the Anime Trilogy into consideration when talking about the direction Toho should take with the franchise, as in they ignore recent Toho installments that have been controversial because they took themselves way too seriously and did not utilize Toho's wacky cast of kaiju.
2. I specified why it would be better if Legendary was doing the mostly serious movies, all the while Toho was doing the wackier movies.
Legendary has limited access to Toho's wacky cast of kaiju due to copyright limitations. Legendary also started first their era of Godzilla and for a good while were going consistently with tones and themes.
Toho started the Reiwa era after Legendary started the Monsterverse. Reiwa and Monsterverse were already tonally different from each other, but if you wanted them to be more different, you'd think that Reiwa changing its tone would be the more logical direction because the Monsterverse started first and the Monsterverse has more continuity amongst its installments, whereas the Reiwa consists of FOUR REBOOTS all tonally similar to each other. Plus, Toho has access to theor big cast of wacky kaiju that coukd be used for silly fun stories. Heck, a major critisism of Reiwa is that they are not using their huge cast of monsters.
Now are my points clear are minor spelling mistakes you might spot too distracting for you?
Mothra is my favorite too! I love Godzilla though, he's my second favorite. :)
Fwiw, until Shin, Final Wars was my favorite Godzilla movie 😅
I started with Godzilla Final Wars, loved that movie and loved it even more on a rewatch. I was a kid who loved dinosaurs, and seeing them depicted in such an exagerated over-the-top manner was very entertaining. Anguirus is my all time favourite monster, an ankylosaurus being depicted as this vicious and agressive ball of spikes is super fun.
Personally, I like the campy godzilla films and the serious ones as well, bur can't stand the Legendary Pictures movies. For me they completely fail in towing the line between serious and goofy. The human plots are actively aggravating to watch and take up the vast majority of the film.
Addendum, but one of the first movies I ever watched (not that I remember it) was a Godzilla film when I was 1 year old. Me and my grandma were watching it on a bus TV on 9/11 2001.
I saw Godzilla films as a child and teenager (my favorite was Tokyo S.O.S.) but I became a true G-fan because of Covid 19.
A friend of mine received the Criterion blu-ray Showa era collection for Christmas in 2019. I received his used DVDs of those films. When my workplace shut down due to the pandemic, I had a box of Godzilla movies with nowhere to go and nothing to do. The pandemic felt very out of my ability to control, and I found Godzilla movies very comforting during this time.
The movies that won me over were Onvasion of Astro Monster and Godzilla vs Hedorah, two profoundly silly films. I loved them precisely because they were absurd and trippy and outrageous and FUN!
I woild love to see your take on the themes of Godzilla's solo outings in the context of how he is defeated in each one.
I remember the summer marathons on TNT or TBS.
whats goofier, that scene in the original with the mother consoling her children under the burning building or the scene of the elementary-age girl looking down at her mother's corpse in the makeshift hospital?
I was first exposed to the American recut of the 1954 original. I loved it and was hooked ever since. Through my life my grandparents would find godzilla vhs tapes until we managed to collect the entire showa and heisei era. The big G himself is and has always been my favorite. I just love the big lizard. A close second is his arch nemisis King Gidorah.
My introduction to Godzilla was the Hanna-Barbara cartoon from the 70's, back when half of Cartoon Network's programming would be old reruns.
I always assumed megalon is a rhinoceros beetle because of its horn. That and I thought that the kabuterimon family of Digimon were based off of him. A big kabuto that shoots lightning
"godzilla has always been silly" Gojira 1954, Godzilla Raids Again, and Godzilla vs Destroyah would like to have a word
Even if you also add Godzilla 2014 and Shin Godzilla still doesn't outweigh the silliness of the rest of the filmography.
@petar2744 never said they get outweighed, said they're not true to his origin. which is an objective fact.
just to get this out of the way: you can like goofy godzilla movies, I do too, but we're both deluding ourselves if we're trying to say they outperform movies like minus one by any quantifiable metric
@@ghost-iv8gt Ah, thanks for clarifying. I didn't want to say one outperforms the other. Though personally I feel if they were to repeat serious films as much, if not more than silly movies, it lessens the impact of said serious movies.
- Godzilla 1954
- Godzilla Raids Again
- Mothra vs. Godzilla
- Destroy All Monsters
- Godzilla vs. Hedorah (Flying scene aside)
- Terror of Mechagodzilla
- Godzilla 1984
- Godzilla vs. Biollante
- Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2
- Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
- Godzilla 2000 (The light-hearted moments are just situational comedy between the humans, while the plot and monster action is grounded and serious)
- GMK
- Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla
- Shin Godzilla
- The Polygon Anime Trilogy
- Singular Point
- Minus One
All of those are serious.
Honestly this is one of the finest, most faceted and insightful video analyses of Godzilla movies I have ever watched. I greatly admire Minus One, Shin and the original '54 film. But my heart will always belong to the heroic Godzilla I grew up with.
2:08 my favorite is MireGoji, but leaving the big lizard out of the picture, it is Battra, amazing design and practically edgy Mothra lol
Messy and all over the place rant incoming:
My issues with this topic goes far beyond just the Godzilla fandom and criticism around it. This is an issue that pervades entertainment discourse in general. What it is, is this: People still have a hard time suspending disbelief as well not knowing how to separate personal preference from actual criticism.
For some reason, a dark, scary, and "grounded" movie about a giant atomic lizard destroying cities is fine and easy to suspend disbelief for. But as soon as a filmmaker leans into the inherent fantasy and outlandishness the concept of a giant atomic city destroying lizard movie provides, suddenly it's "stupid" and "silly" and "illogical."
I absolutely HATE the mindset that even actual fans display of calling things like this "stupid" just because they earnestly embrace pure fantasy. It's this obsession with creating a detached, ironic cynicism around the media you consume that has pervaded art discussion for YEARS now.
This attitude creates an automatic barrier for the viewer where they put themselves on a pedestal and see themselves as "above" the material instead of just taking it on its own terms.
If your mentality about this kind of stuff is that its inherently "stupid" then why are you bothering to engage in it at all if you have that much baseline contempt for it?
Let me explain: Saying a film like GxK is bad because it's "silly, stupid, and illogical" isn't an actual criticism. You just don't personally click with the films tone and style. And that's FINE! No shit a movie where giant lizards and apes fight in zero gravity in the Hollow Earth is "illogical." Fuckin' duh. Stop applying outside logic to the world of a film with its own set of logic and rules.
A REAL criticism of GxK is something like this: "Sometimes the narrative is so fast that it takes contrived storytelling shortcuts to keep the plot moving forward."
See the difference? One is just preference-as-criticism. The other is actually evaluating the material on its own terms.
So when someone criticizes a film like GxK for being "silly and illogical" they aren't actually criticizing the storytelling and filmmaking and the work itself - but equating their personal dislike of tone with criticism. People need to start understanding the basic concepts of how to engage with and criticize media, because shit is dire out there.
Ya'll need to ask yourself this: Is a film stupid and illogical because you just don't, in your subjective taste, click with its story and tone? Or does the FILM ITSELF do a poor job of conveying it's story and ideas in your SUBJECTIVE opinion? Look at a film and suss out what it's trying to accomplish and judge it off of that - not what you THINK it should be or should have done.
Nah, people who critics GxK for being "illogical" and "Silly" are the same reason who praised both Donnie Yen Ip Man or John Wick for exact reason.
As long as we keep having Mothra there to say "fight the bad guys, you idiot" to Godzilla, I'll keep watching em.
Me and my best friend would watch Godzilla vs Megalon, whenever Jet Jaguar showed up, we would both sing the theme song
Id accept the silliness if its actually done right. Showa doesn’t dwell on it, and actually tries to tell a story. The modern movies, like GxK want to have the action but none of the thematic depth of the Showa era. Its not a good callback to Showa era Godzilla
Its nptvabut him being silly or serious for most of us, the biggest issue is Monsterverses shit writing.
Oh god, your analysis is really really nice! I'm saddened it doesn't have more views because I adore the way you drive your different points across and the multiple angles that Goji as well as other kaiju can have!
Tokusatsu is a genre born from tragedy and wanting to make sense of it via cinema. What some people don't seem to grasp is that facing the different events humanity has faced doesn't have just one way.
Comedy, sorrow, positivity, violence. All of them are ways in which a human being can endure/face those situations, and all of them are acceptable in their own way.
Goji has had many different influences and styles in movies and now even in web series. None is necessarily better or worse except on the execution of their own premise.
I have always loved the meaning behind each kaiju, and well, seeing them fight is really fun. Rooting for giant monsters is fun. And that's alright. Silliness is so necessary jahdjf, it really has helped to humanize and make the 'monster' likeable. That's why even after the horror that he represents in the first movie, Goji continues being a cultural icon source of both comedy and drama.
In a franchise as longlasting as this, why shouldn't we embrace the protector of earth and embodiment of multiple forces of nature and horror as someone who can be both fun and scary at the same time?
The mix of both really help to bring more people close to him, and this shared joy is somethinh to cherish.
I love Final Wars, it’s my favorite Godzilla movie. It is refreshing to me to look back at a movie that is this silly
Remember when people use to care about the fun of movies
The "fun of movies" is what made every diehard cinephile, a cinephile. A film nerd doesn't cite watching Tarkovsky and Godard as their origin story as a film buff. They cite the genre fare that engaged their imagination. They found the arthouse and "serious stuff" later.
Now, people have a detached, cynical, and baseline contempt for a lot of the entertainment they engage in. And it shows in how backwards and wrong-headed their criticisms tend to be.
If the shit they loved growing up came out today, they would hate it.
@@nope5657Bold of you to assume they ever liked fun movies/shows
Pepperidge remembers.
Also the thing about serious to silly Godzilla is that the serious can really only be loaded up for one maybe two shots at a time before it’s spent. Minus One is the first remake more or less of the original and kind of pushed that beast as far as it will go. Where as transitioning to kid flavored kaiju WWE? That’s limitless. Until someone eventually thinks up a new serious take again
I'd happily embrace the silliness if the movie wasn't absolute ass lmao
My man
My introduction to Godzilla:
Hanna Barbera.
Then the american Godzilla 1998 and the series. And that is my favorite.
I love Varan because he has a really fun and cool design but is also basically nonexistent. I found him on Godzilla Unleashed and I've been hoping for content since then
Check out the comic series, godzilla the rulers of the earth for great side kiju moments beside our boi goji
For me Godzilla was always able to be goofy or dark. When I first become a fan of Big G I watched almost every movie for the first time in just two weeks so for me both sides are equaly important to me.
Godzilla wasnt always silly? Why tf you clickbaiting with that title????
I got into Godzilla thanks to those marathon too!
THANK YOU! I have been a Godzilla fan for 50 years. But I am able to recognize that Godzilla movies are, in different ways and at different levels, silly and stupid. Rather than try to pretend that is not the case, I chose to acknowledge it and admit that I am a fan of these silly and stupid movies.
@Anthony Gramuglia
Thanks for this brilliant analysis of Godzilla through the decades.
You're right that the Godzilla franchise has endured because it is silly as well as serious. It was a Showa era film (I think Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla) that turned me into a Godzilla fan. When I grew older, I saw the first Godzilla, American and original versions, which also impressed me.
You also made me realize how the silly Godzilla films have more depth than I had considered. The latest example is Godzilla x Kong, which had themes about loneliness, finding home, and the evil of slavery. On that note, Skar King wins the award as the EVILLEST villain in the Monsterverse.
Continue the excellent work. I look forward to your reviews of future Godzilla and Kong films.
As long as you respect Godzilla and not making him a joke and always keeping his identity as a badass and the wrath of earth he'll fit with whatever tone you want him to be
Mothra too, but X2 gets special love from me
I wish I remembered the first Godzilla film I saw.
I was introduced to Godzilla by american 1998 movie, which I still love despite all the criticism about it. I know it's flawed, and even not nearly as intellegent as some other Godzilla's movies, but I can't help myself, exept enjoying it.
And because of that, Zilla is my favorite kaiju in godzilla's franchise. I love his design and his behavior (but not his hermaphroditism, I would actually prefer if he was a female), even though, he doesn't act like Godzilla untill "The Series".
But my favorite kaiju ever is Godzilla's greatest rival - Gamera. I don't actually know, why, but I think it's because there is something in a giant ass monster, brutal enough to rip his enemies apart (like in "Rebirth"), but fighting for humanity, instead against it. And I think, it feels more natural for Gamera, since even the first film kinda showed his "friend of all children" characteristic, unlike Godzilla, who wasn't like that even three movies after his appearence.
The Monarch Godzilla's annoy me just because of the retcon of the US nuclear testing in the Pacific becoming a noble attempt to stop Godzilla instead of a horrifying atrocity. It happens in the opening credits frames of the 2014 movie and it carries through thematically, with the US military being generally heroic (like it would have made so much more sense to kill off the son and follow Brian Cranston's character rather than the other way around), through the later Monarch movies as well. I love serious Godzilla and i love silly Godzilla, but most of all i love subversive Godzilla, and an American approach just doesn't seem to have the capacity for subversiveness. And yes lol, Biolante was my favourite too.
If you start a series seriously it will become silly.
If you start a series silly it will become serious.
Gotta disagree that the concept of a guy in a suit being an inherently silly thing.
Alien was a guy in a suit running around bursting fake blood bags on people's heads. Is that movie silly now? Predator was a guy in a suit running around in the jungle shooting lasers at people. Is that movie silly now?
Of course there are movies in the 70 years of Godzilla that take themselves less seriously than others, but thats a matter of narrative and writing.
Yea but those looked real.
I don't think I've ever looked at the Godzilla suits And thought they were even remotely scary.
The 70's films were some of the better ones too. MechaGodzilla and Terror of MechaGodzilla were definitely not silly films. No matter how some people might think of the black hole aliens
@@matijasostojic4288 1989's Godzilla vs. Biollante looked pretty convincing.
If Godzilla is silly they should’ve called him Goofzilla then
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO FUCKING UNDERSTANDS
he is not the man we deserved but needed
Godzilla is like star wars. It can be both serious, and silly.
Good analogy.
“I just want to talk to him”
You're right, people need to experience Jr drop kicking a giant cockroach.
It's supposed to be stupid, that's why it's good!❤
Correction (more of a nitpick, really): I believe the current era is the Reiwa era, not "Reisei"
Hey i know you, you are that funny twitter guy
I think "Godzilla X Kong: The New Empire" is awesome. It's about the radioactive dinosaur and the giant monkey teaming up to fight an evil giant monkey who keeps another Titan as a browbeaten pet. How can ya hate THAT?
Where did you get that Godzilla vs. Evangelion footage?? It looks awesome but I haven't been able to find it
It was from a Universal Ride
My favorite Kaiju is Anguirus or Rodan.
Wait are you caling all of godzilla gofy? Or some of them are them becose I don't think fisrt godzilla movie was that gofy
I'd say all of them have a degree of goofiness, though some are goofier than others.
@@agramuglia while agree to some degree but I must disagree that all godzilla movies are silly. They're both a balance of serious and silly.
Even if Godzilla x Kong movie is on the goofy and silly side, it still maintain a VERY dark side and lore which i won't say because it contains spoilers and you will surely know what i mean. The critics are mad because they watched a film that wasn't their liking which is stupid, while the othe rmore invested people liked it a lot.
It wasn’t that dark, like at all
That’s why he has been relevant for over decades.
"Godzilla has always been silly."
Godzilla (1954), Godzilla's Counter Attack, Mothra vs. Godzilla, the entire Heisei Era, Godzilla 2000, Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All Out Attack, the Kiryu Saga, Godzilla (2014), Shin Godzilla, Godzilla: King of the Monsters, and Godzilla: Minus One would ALL like to know your location.
The entire Showa era would like to know _your_ location.
@@optillian4182as someone who watched the majority of the showa era, the films played themselves straight
i like godzilla better when he was taken seriously.
I am planning to see the new movie this Sunday.
I want to see if I can drag my spouse to it tonight.
Id accept the silliness if its actually done right. Showa doesn’t dwell on it, and actually tries to tell a story. The modern movies, like GxK want to have the action but none of the thematic depth of the Showa era. It’s not a good callback to Showa era Godzilla, maybe to like the 3 clips everyone always fall on to say “see! Godzilla was always stupid and silly!”
And people forget that it was that silliness is what killed the Showa era and put it on ice for 9 years.
No, that's *NOT* okay.
Why can't people accept both Serious Godzilla and Silly Godzilla. Both directors appreciate each other Godzilla why can't fans do that too?
@@Ad1tputrabecause we’re not those directors, we can have our own opinions
I just saw Godzilla x Kong, and it was awesome ^^
Top Kaiju Orga, Space Godzilla, Kong Ghidorah and Godzilla come up behind, as for types of movies I prefer the Monster verse going full showdown, humans can be nice but only if it doesn't subtract from the big brawls.
Ok Godzilla has not always been silly but idc Serious Godzilla or Silly Godzilla both works as long as you executed it well. I've seen so many people and critics compared Godzilla X Kong with Godzilla Minus just to point out Godzilla Minus One is better but there's one problem: both movies are so different, yes the writing and characters is better in Minus One but that's it everything else is so different. Why are people comparing both movies?
Let us enjoy both Toho and Legendary Godzilla. Even the directors appreciate each other Godzilla and fans should do that too. Remember! Without the Monsterverse we wouldn't have Shin Godzilla and Godzilla Minus One AND Godzilla wouldn't be so popular today.
Great video
Reiwa.
It's Reisei now
My first Godzilla film was Godzilla 2014 directed by Gareth Edwards but my favourite MonsterVerse film is Godzilla King of the Monsters directed by Michael Dougherty I enjoyed the other MonsterVerse films though GxK is my second favourite in the MV
My favourite Heisei film is Godzilla Vs. Destoroyah
Favourite film Millennium film is Godzilla against Mechagodzilla(2002)
Let’s be honest here Kiryu was a badass!
My favourite Showa film is Gojia(1954)
Favourite Reiwa film is
Godzilla Minus One
I subbed by the way
Honestly I just want an American Godzilla movie that's taken seriously like 2014 did. I hate the new ones that are just basically fast and the furious but as kijus. It would be one thing if this series started out as a goofy Godzilla series but it started as a serious movie and what followed should take the same seriousness but it completely went the opposite to the point it's like a completely different franchise but they just stole the design. What is most upsetting is a lot of these so called "fans" of Godzilla won't admit there bad or they do and say there supposed to be witch there not because they are movies and your not supposed to make a bad movie on purpose. It would be fine if they make it a little more silly but it's to the point that it breaks it's own rules of it's universe all the time and what doesn't help is these fans defending it. If you're a real fan then stop saying it's bad because that's what the fans want because it's not, the real fans want a good Godzilla movie with good writing. A lot of these people who are fans are just losers like when marvel movies came out and people pretend they knew the comics and the upsetting thing is those same people will keep funding these bad movies so they keep making more and it's already starting to be a lazy crash grab franchise and once they've milked it and are done no one is going to make a new film or franchise that's good because of how tainted the American Godzilla image has become and are probably not going to get the rights for it again or at least for a long time for the same reason. The sillyness is not what makes Godzilla and even creators of the original franchise tried to distance themselves after that era because it was embarrassing. We need to have good Godzilla movies not lazy cashgrabs for braindead audiences because that's not what a Godzilla movie is and these so called fans are just coping when they say there supposed to be bad and silly mostly because they don't want to admit they like something that's bad and are purposely ruining Godzilla for others. And it's even more cringe how many videos are coming out to defend how good a bad movie is when there's the slightest bit of valid criticism and never actually think and just blindly defend with no logical argument besides "I like bad movies therefore you should too". Ive never seen any movie get defended like this before witch just goes to show how angry and toxic the legendary fans are, I mean everyone in this fanbase knows a UA-camrs name like he's Hitler reincarnated just because he was the first to point out how bad the films are getting and some people who are criticizing are even getting death threats. These people just need to realize these films are bad and that's it, there's no good characters there's no heart or soul in the films and just because a character acts cute or sad for the most basic fan appeal isn't good character it's just hey look "jingling keys" and these people eat it up. If you want bad writing with silly characters go watch she hulk.
Just like Star Wars, Godzilla has always been mixbag since 1955 and 2014 ain't that different. Most people praised that movie back then not because of the story or nailing the serious tone but rather yet the CGI and action.
Yes we are all agree GxK movie is a bad movie sure but don't act like 2014 was good and superior either just because it has more serious. If there is anything, Godzilla 2014 story is forgottable at best, most of the characters are bland and forgottable while the script is filled with overtly simplistic rhetoric while trying to be tense that even a sitcom movie is more tense than Godzilla 2014.
Heck, Godzilla 2014 isn't even a good movie especially if you're comparing it to Korean movie, The Host or even District 9 who nailed the serious tone and human stories much better than Godzilla 2014 While Godzilla 2014 is just another big dumb fun movie just like any Godzilla movies before.
Intentional or not I'd argue Shin Godzilla is in many ways still pretty silly.
No it fucking isn't
@@M8tallicJi8ngshi yes it fucking is
Consider dinosaurs in pop culture
They have been terrifying villains and monstrous animals, sometimes they are almost like action heroes, other times they are just fodder entertainment for laughs. You can use them any way you want as long as it fits
Godzilla's like that. Hell, he even looks like a dinosaur.
I'm done with Godzilla community
I won’t forgive how they just disrespected Hedorah in Final Wars but I can’t say it wasn’t nice seeing him again
Average Oscar fan vs Average Goofy Enjoyer.
Buddy. No. Godzilla has been serious AND silly. since the first two films.
What you said their is literally the whole point of the video
@@JunniferLuzeytonz Title ain't suggest it but aight.
@@claymationgloves3662 That's why we say "Never judge a book by its cover" since you have to watch the damn thing before making that conclusion.
@@petar2744 The fuck you mean "we"? Aint nobody here say that shit.
@@claymationgloves3662It's a common saying that goes around. I do understand about overthinking the "We" thing, as this sentence was shared around the internet (At least according to my experience) that's why I used a plural pronoun.
Has Always Been Silly...ummm. no.
The random appearance on tv back in the 60a 70s and early 80s before cable channels and video stores wore common place made it at treat. Some times during the day on horror hosted local channels or late night just before the color bars
One thing that Tokusatsu movies have over other types like stop motion monster
Or real animals optical printed in is Rewatchability. There something compelling you to watch it over and over again. Especially the 60s movies which have great pacing and the dubs hate them or not had it’s own flavor.
Have you noticed a thing about giant monster movies in that people are sort of proud about the city distinction taking places in there city. And the Comedy cliché of the monster that ate insert city. Even though there really isn’t any movies with that title. I remember being proud of the beginning of the end for being filmed in my city chicago. Because nyc always gets the owner. And now rampage for modern audiences. Although some movies are in fictitious cities
Or vague territory’s. Like the giant claw. In Canada somewhere.
Sun of godzilla has a great human narrative Plus it’s one of the most perfectly paste movies I’ve ever seen
I don’t miss the so called monster action the godzilla fans talk about. I think you are over simplifying every thing about the the series or just looking at it through a child’s or the USs impression of godzilla
I think Godzilla is like Batman, people have been to the introduced to the serious Batman thanks to the recent movies particularly Nolan's ones (which honestly have really goofy moments which people forget.) But Batman can be silly as well as serious. One of my favourite adapations of Batman is Batman: The Brave and Bold which was more based in the silver age as supposed the later modern or bronze age which is more common these days. But I still like both and the comics still have silly moments along with serious ones which I've read.
I got introduced to Godzilla through the 1998 American remake and its animated series that came with it. But I like Mothra too.
I believe the Reina and MonsterVerse are completely separate eras. I love them all. I like how they can be absurdly silly and serious critiques of mankind.
One of my favorite Godzilla films doesn't even technically contain Godzilla, not the real one anyway. Basically the film is about a boy who gets bullied and imagines Godzilla on monster island with a handful of other monsters as a mental escape while also learning some kind of lesson in the end. Been awhile since I seen it so I don't remember the specifics but I always thought that was such a neat idea to do with Godzilla. Him being such an icon by that point as well as the films becoming basically banging action figures together, it makes a weird amount of sense to make a film were it is just a child's imagination of Godzilla and his epic fights. Can't even remember what it's called but it's a good one if you like the sillier side of the franchise. I could be misremembering but I believe one of Godzilla's kids is in it too snd that's specifically who the kid is friends with in his imagination. Godzilla protecting their baby Godzilla, and the boy by proxy, from other monsters throughout.