Fun fact, Basel is the first and so far only city to have a trinational tram network. In recent years they opened lines into St. Louis (France) And Weil am Rhein (Germany)
I am a total Geography AND Transportation geek myself. It's especially rare among our age group, and even more so here in the US. In the US, the reason why the government never does anything with the infrastructure, is because they themselves say "It's not sexy enough to talk about". Seriously. In other words, it's not a topic that is popular or cared about by most people and is seen as boring, therefore, they do not give it any real attention or care. Welcome, to a D- soon to be F in US Infrastructure. WOO! And they do include Transportation within infrastructure here, so it's for the same reason they don't care about it. We have "false" transit here I love to say. It's a sorry excuse for it. Europe, Japan and now even China are all setting the example of how to build and run a REAL transport system. And hell, Europe was the birth place of ALL forms of transportation, even the automobile! So it makes perfect sense!
Yeah, great to know I'm not alone in this case (of being both a transport and geography fan... well I'd add languages and history) x) except I live in France and I use it almost every day, so maybe it makes more sense, no idea. Don't you think it might be linked to some interest conflicts with the automobile industry? I thought about this because of Jay Foreman's video on why trams don't exist anymore in London... But yeah, it would totally make sens for America to have a decent transportation system! Nonetheless, I loved New York's giant metros (I guess lines G and Z? The yellow ones to Brooklyn?) and its express system with the losange lines... I guess it looks kinda boring to see only grey carriages compared to Paris' many models, but still... :)
I'm a Brazilian, and urban trains here are only used in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.. travel trains as well is only used in 2 routes.. the other ones are just shorter routes for tourism purposes. Cargo trains are rarely used. I guess metro systems are used over 10 cities or less. Despite having our economy boosted by the trains at the XIX and XX, in the 50's there was a huge influence from US and then all the railways were extinct, being replaced by the highways. Nowadays, we are mostly dependent on trucks, which are slower, smaller and more expensive to us, causing a lot of infrastructure crisis and costs a lot more. We suffer because of the lack of trains. We once had a bullet train project for the World Cup in 2014 and Olympics in 2016, but it never left the paper because of politicians.
As an American, Im not well-educated in the trains of Europe and found this wildly interesting... Been watching your videos for 3 years and I just wanted to congratulate you for reaching 920K on ur main channel
Yaaay, public transportation once again, you made my day!! 😊 I really didn't think I would see that notification pop up about S-Trains. I hoped for it though 😉 I think (and it's not because I use it every day) that Paris and it's RER is probably the most interesting S-Train system, mainly because of its high demand and what you need to do to fight that problem. I would put Spain and the Cercenías 2nd and Berlin 3rd as of now, although I loved doing research about public transportation in Berlin during the cold war (like Pankstrasse and Siemensdamm are actually nuclear shelters, or how the U6 did allow and exchange to both West and East S-Bahn!) (By the way Poland also have 3 lines in Warsaw, and I loved the danish system and your video in general! ☺) The RER line A is one of the best examples of induced trafic. It's like an underground motorway x) I lived 15 years of my life near Charles de Gaulle-Étoile station on the RER A, also shared with lines 1, 2, and 6, and I happened to always prefer taking the RER, because i viewed the metro as mostly slow and inefficient. I used to go to school taking this line along with Transilien line U (it's the name of suburb trains), taking one more bus afterwards into Versailles, at peak hour. So I saw how the service quality degraded and how they had to fix the problem. The first problem was these simple decker trains. Cergy (A3) branch had some, because the voltage was not the same as the rest of the network, the others had 50 year-old carriages! 😂 Now, there's not a single simple-decker train anymore, the alimentation issue has been fixed... but it's still well over capacity, although way more livable ! The main problem is, it's a high-speed link between 2 business "quartiers" (La Défense mostly and also Auber) . It's the most congested section (I took its last part every morning), although Auber's frequentation is not that high compared to the other stations. Also having Gare de Lyon and Châtelet with he other lines and the commercial center isn't very helpful. Add the Arc de Triomphe and very dense suburbs northwest and east of the line, you get the point... It's the addition of various trafic that make this line unlivable. The fun part is, the ReR A itself is a congestion solution. 😉 Metro lines 1 and 4 were always the ones with the biggest congestion, so they built ReR lines A and B respectively to deal with this issue. Because they got quickly congested, they added 2 additional ones (RER E and line 14 which will extend soon to La Défense and populated suburbs), which again contribute to the saturation more then they resolve it. Even though these lines are either automatic or have a virtual signalisation, they still have trouble at peak hours. The better it goes, the more people tend to use it. ^^ RER lines A and B are still the busiest, metro lines 1 and 4 as well, while metro 14's central section doesn't do way better and RER E only brings people from the suburbs to the city, very few use it between Saint Lazare ans Gare du Nord ^^ I now live at Saint Quentin en Yvelines, a very distant suburb on RER line C, but I still have trains every 10 minutes even at 10Pm and I guess 5 minutes at peak hours because 3 different lines go through my station 😅 However, here, it manages to absorb the passengers. Surprising... By the way, on December 9th, they will cut most branches and buckles on ReR line D to manage traffic, it's the first time they ever decide such a thing. Let's see how it goes! Are suburbs a good thing? Well, you can't have double decker cities x) it's still a good way, maybe even rhe only way to boost a city's economical growth! The suburbs question would certainly be a good topic....
In Helsinki there's been a plan to create an underground railway loop in the downtown area called "Pisararata". It would be used by most of the commuter trains and they would become through-lines through the center instead of just terminating at the central station. Also in 2015 a connecting line between two railway branches was opened to create a loop line around the suburbs that goes from Helsinki to Helsinki. The new line also goes through the airport.
The whole Netherlands is so interconnected by Sprinter trains that it can be considered as one giant s-train system. Also in Poland we have some S-bahn-like networks (SKM), like in Tricity, or Warsaw, where it shares the tracks with regional trains (so its like a one system with two different operators).
Most countries also use 20th century carriages. They are quite decent and recent in the UK and most of Europe. Meanwhile in Canada and in the United states there are still 1950s and 1960s carriages, and 1970s-built carriages based on old 1960s design. Amfleets have awfully small windows for example. France also still keeps its oldest 1970s designed (190s built) TGVs but they are still more modern and much faster than many trains elsewhere.
spain has that as well, its called the “tren de cercanías” (train of surroundings), I know it exists in Madrid and Barcelona (also in Barcelona there is the “Ferrocarrils de la Generalitat”, that kind of complement the Cercanías), but Im not sure if it exists anywhere else.
Australian metro trains are S-bahn style in layout. US and canadian commuter trains could be S-bahns if they weren't restricted to one-way rush hour service
Surprised you didn't talk about Zürich. They're also called "S-Bahn" with some parts and train stations being underground (either fully for some lines at Hauptbanhof and some underground-ish, like Stadelhofen). The Zürich S-Bahn seems like such an obvious choice to me, but then again, I grew up there.
Plus it also uses double decker trains for the whole system, and the system covers quite a big area. Added to the fact that they use the mainline railway for the approach to the city/main station on the west side, and then just continued underground to the east. Then there is the speciality that mainline inter-city trains use the same tunnels, which is probably unique.
Mexxx Don’t forget about the weird S18 Forchbahn that is randomly a tram yet also an S-Bahn! And the S41 goes into Germany I think as far as I can remember. Zürich has a really unique S-Bahn system I wonder why it wasn’t mentioned...
Very simple: in most cases, S Trains are basically operated like Heavy rail just with many stops while light rail is slower (at least in Germany S Trains go in between 100-160 kmh but light rail maximum 80kmh, except if they also go on railway lines as tram train, then also 100kmh in these sections) and also has more tram like features and vehicles (S Train: 100-210m long, Light Rail: 30-60m long, up to 90m in Düsseldorf, even on Roads) and yes, thats also another difference that light rail can go on the road. if you want, i can get into more detail, just ask.
+@@MerleTrains I don't believe we operate with that kind of differentiation here... I don't know the details but I suspect we're going to have some kind of hybrid between the two things you mentioned...
In Spain there are a few cities with S Bahns, but they’re called Cercanías, and the bigger cities have more than one tunnel underground to increase capacity
Did you ever ride what you call the "S-Bahn" in Basel? People call that "tram" here and it doesn't go underground at all. There's two main trainstations, one Swiss and one "German" one, the German one being an exclave on Swiss territory and it's run by the "deutsche Bahn". Both are major hubs where a lot of the Tram and Bus lines cross. I used to use both when I studied at Basel University. The inner city is basically in between those main train stations. They are trying to build a new underground connection and a new Station called "Basel Mitte" (Middle Basel) at the moment. Once that's done I think you'll get something more like the "S-Bahn" system you're talking about.
Several cites in Spain have S-Bahn systems called Cercanias, which in case of the autonomous regions are called differently, for example in Barcelona it is called Rodalies (but some ticket machines still have the Cercanias logo on them). They are very efficient and in some cities link the airport to the city which makes it very convenient to travel there. The trains are run by a division of Renfe, the Spanish rail company which also runs the high speed long distance trains between the major cities. One of the major properties of S-Bahn systems which seperates them from (long distance) railways is that there is usually a city/region wide fare system which includes buses, trams and metros which unfortunately can be a bit complicated because it has to account for the longer distances being covered by suburban trains. The fare system in German cities is sometimes difficult to understand even for Germans.
S-Bahn is short for StadtSchnellBahn, or fast city train. Within Germany, Berlin and Hamburg have the oldest systems. S-Bahnen in those two cities are basically metros with larger distances between stops and more overground and raised sections. The other S-Bahn systems are more like regional trains. Even larger distances traveled, but lower frequencies. You did a great job explaining the trunk/branch lines concept.
Belgium has recently rebranded a lot of L-trains (local) into S-trains recently. The name S-Bahn is likely to be originated from 'Stadschnellbahn' (fast city train. As for flying, if there is any place where filling an additional seat is creating extra demand it is airplanes, especially low-cost airlines. They adjust their flights and prices so much that a single booking is almost certainly an extra 1/189 flight in the air.
You missed the S in Vienna, which is the only one I have experienced. The joke while I was there (don’t know if it was local or amongst Americans) was that the S stands for slow, not schnell train (which is what I was told what it stands for). Also, one could consider the Metra in Chicago to be an S train and in NYC, they actually have 3 systems that together would complete an S train line. The LIRR, which was mentioned, as well as NJ Transit and Metro North. The difference in the States is that most rail systems, and even some of the metros, were originally created by competing companies, so they aren’t as centralized at their core.
I believe the best term for this type of rail service is commuter/suburban railways. This is because they connect the out city limits with the busy core. The most notable suburban systems that come to mind are the Paris RER, the S-Bahn systems, the London Overground/Crossrail/ThamesLink, Tokyo Metro (and it's respective rail connections), NYC MTA, LA Metrolink/Cal Train/Coaster, etc... They are all classified as heavy rail transport designed to carry a large amount of people to and from the city center, suburbs and surrounding communities.
The RER in Paris is not more expensive than the Metro....Within Paris proper, it's the same fare as the Metro with unlimited transfers between them. You pay more to go out to suburban stops. Often it's much faster to use the RER than the Metro within Paris if it goes where you're going.
@@ekvedrek yes, it actually does and is only extended during rush hour. Rode it quite a few times since I made that comment. It's also called the Berchtesgadener Land Bahn (BLB)
Two other international S train networks are the one in Liège, Belgium (one line goes to Maastricht, The Netherlands) and the "Léman Express" in Genève, Switzerland, which has some lines going to France.
An extra fun fact: Thameslink is a normal national rail line whilst, crossrail is owned by TFL (which in case you didn't no owns the tube). Thameslink goes to little villages and towns further outside of London, whilst crossrail goes to big towns JUST outside of London
I think the distinction between thameslink and crossrail is harder to make the more you dive into it, as they're both projects with heavy government investment, operated by private companies
The standard train service in the netherlands has stopper trains called "sprinters" that basically act like a nation wide S-bahn it seems. high frequency and capacity, though stop in multiple stops, especially within cities.
7:21 Another good thing about Thameslink is the fact that the rear First Class on every service is declassified, so you can get into it with a Standard Class ticket or Oyster Card
I'm from Leipzig and we have a kind of good working system that uses S-Bahn, Tram and buses to connect not only the different parts of the city to each other but also connect everything to Leipzig and the other cities. We even have one really long tram line(number 11) that goes right through Leipzig but also connects two towns that are right next to Leipzig. We also kind of have an underground but I don't think our four stations underground do really count for our S-Bahn.
S-bahn does not mean Stadtbahn. A Stadtbahn is basically a light-rail style U-Bahn. Aka a combination of a Tram and a Subway. A concept which is extremely popular in Germany. Most Stadtbahn Systems which where build in the sixties and seventies have multiple center tunnel Cores but use Tram Tracks in the suburbs. Stadtbahn systems build in the late nineties and early 2000 are now usually only a Tram with a fancy name. Meanwhile the word S-Bahn stand for Schnellbahn or Fast-Train in English. Admittedly not very creative. The S-Bahn usually uses the Trackage of the DB, the German version of National Rail. And runs legally as a train and not a Tram. The U-Bahn/Stadtbahn is legally a Tram. S-bahn are basically a Regional Commuter Rail but with a higher frequency than a Regional Train. Stadtbahns are usually only with in the City and sometimes It's neighborhood.
I never understood the S-bahn system. The train I normally use was always called Regional Bahn, but since some months it's called S-bahn. This train Links the Rhein-Main and Rhein-Neckar regions
Meanwhile I commute on the S train in Copenhagen every day, getting to and from where I study. Great system, though the company that runs the trains often has some severe delays and there has been a bunch of strikes as of recently. Yesterday I was stuck at a small suburban station for 30 minutes, even despite me being on an Express line train. But yeah great system. Each line has a train every 10 minutes (with the exceptions being the H and Bx lines which run every 20 for reasons likely related to budget cuts and the F line going around Downtown which runs every 5 minutes) And yet people in my town are demanding more s trains to their station. I live at the end of one of the express lines and so we have trains every 10 minutes but they are packed. Mostly because of this town being the end of the line as well as a major transport hub where people can take railcars into the countryside every 20-30 minutes depending on which of the 4 lines going from there you choose as well as a ton of busses. So they're pretty much demanding that the local line which ends a few stops prior, within the city suburbs to be extended so that there can be train approximately every 5 minutes going in towards Copenhagen. A bit crazy but it's something. Others have proposed that the new trains for the network should be double Deckers like the RER trains, on top of the Government currently trying to automatize the whole network. So yeah... lots of stuff going on.
9:44 this network map is actually for the schadule year 2020 (starting in december 2019) where a lot of it changes and about half the lines are getting privatized. the network today still looks slightly different
10:00 also, averything from buses to regional trains is the same tariff here, so taking a regional train could actually be smarter as you would have more time of your ticket left to take buses, trams or light rail in the city of your destination. the price for the highest tariff "Preisstufe D" (go anywhere within the rhein ruhr region or even cross some borders also to the netherlands with designated trains within 5 hours, where round and return trips are not allowed is) 15,30€
and yes, additionally to the s-bahn network we have also many interconnected light rail and tram networks, operated by each citie's transport authority. my favourite light rail line, which is also the most used one (U79) is actually operated by 2 transport authorities together.
You should’ve mentioned the light train systems in Scandinavia («Pendeltåg» in Swedish, and «Lokaltog» in Norwegian). In Norway at least we have many strange local service lines, for example in Bergen, where the local line between Bergen and Myrdal, literally have 8-9 stations stopping for people to take a hike in the mountains, about two or three houses around each stop, and runs two times a day :)
Very nice video. Just some minor corrections regarding the situation in Germany, I would like to point out: 1. "S-Bahn" means "Stadtschnellbahn". It's different from a "Stadtbahn" which is basically a metro (U-Bahn) which also goes overground and has intersections with other vehicles. 2. The S-Bahn situation in Berlin isn't like that because of the wall, but has been like that since it was constructed. Berlin used to have five different train stations for long-distance travel, connecting the city to other cities like Hamburg or Görlitz. To connect these, a new train line was introduced, albeit for the transportation of goods and troops only. Since the city was growing fast, a train line running through the city was considered a hindrance, so they built a train ring surrounding the city walls, which was then also opened for civilian transportation. The reason why the ring lies within the city boundaries nowadays, is that a lot of surrounding towns were made part of Berlin in 1920. The S-Bahn then just used the tracks of the long-distance lines, hence the radial shape of the S-Bahn network. 3. In addition to the S-Bahn there are also regional trains (Regionalexpress or Regionalbahn). These connect smaller towns with each other and, when running through bigger cities, skip a bunch of stations that the S-Bahn would normally service. 4. Sadly, public transportation in the Rhein-Ruhr area isn't all that cheap. E.g. going from Düsseldorf to Dortmund one way costs 15.30€, if I remember correctly.
Jeez I lived in Crawley and I never new that Gatwick and three bridges had s trains also it missed Crawley and Ifield stations which are part of crawley
11:14 _Tokyu_ Corporation does operate a commuter rail line ( _Denentoshi_ ) that directly connects with Tokyo's & Yokohama's subway/metro lines I remember
I can think of a scenario when you are interested in this fact that I am going to tell you even though it’s two year old video. Nowadays, there is a lot of S-Bahn style transit in the Czech Republic. S-Line is made for Prague, Ostrava and Brno, there’s also U-Line for the region of Ústí nad Labem which is not underground, but an S-Bahn kind of thing only called U-Line because of the city name. I will make some materials on this topic in the future.
If Bulgaria and Romania finally enter Schengen, there is a high chance they will make an S-Bahn in Rousse that goes to Romania too. There were already plans for an S-Bahn in the past but the government struck them down cause the national railway operator still had a monopoly.
There are so many commuter lines in London but it's just that they all run into terminals rather than cross the city like other european s trains. Plus the underground goes into most of the suburbs and there's the Overground too so there's not much need for more lines in London. However the railways outside southeast England and in other cities are terrible.
In Denver (U.S.A), I think that the light rail system is very similar to the S-Bahn system. We have 5 lines, A-E which lead to one central station which is in the middle of downtown Denver, and it starts in places which are 30 minutes away from the Down Town region (in smaller suburbs/towns) and the maps are formatted similarly to some of the S-Bahn maps. The only difference, I believe is the train style, and the fact that it's above ground at certain places. (I'm not sure if the S-Bahn is underground because I have never visited Europe, although I will go this summer)
Belgium does have S-Trains as well... It's called officialy GEN or ReR (like in France) but most people know it as S-net... We actually do have 5 of them (Brussels, Antwerp, Liége, Ghent and Charleroi) and to judge a train by it's look: most of them have the MS-08 Desiro ML which looks nice at the outside 😃
In Germany, the S-Bahns are operated by DB.....the fares are not different from the regular local fares....you can use S-Bahns and regional trains interchangeably with the same tickets.
Peter Bangs Vej (referring to the Danish politician Peter Georg Bang). I wonder what program was used to make this kind of translation (or if they were made by a person) because even Google Translate no longer produces broken translations like these.
I'm in California and have never had great public transportation. Closest thing to good is a decent bus system, where they all meet up every hour and you can transfer to another to go to a different part of the city. I've never used a subway, I've used above ground metros which was basically a 1 track. I have used public transportation to travel large distances up and down california ( a bus -> train -> bus) kinda sucked with the 2 transfers. But train systems like this, where it connect the outskirts to the city center and supplies the demand of the city center (every 2 mins) and outskits (every 30 mins or 1 hour) sounds like a no brainer. Helps get workers to work, tourists to tourist destinations and people from their homes to the city for shopping, etc. Should be much more common, imo. Especially here in the states, specifically... the west...
That bus -> train -> bus issue you describe is caused by the Bakersfield LA gap in the central valley line. It's because Union Pacific refuses to let passenger trains on the Tehachapi line that's between the two. An alternative to this is to use the Coast Starlight's coastal route, which while slower and windier does give you a one-seat ride up and down the state from the Oregon border to as far south as Los Angeles. If they manage to keep CAHSR alive, a new dedicated passenger line will get built between Bakersfield and LA, providing a faster north/south route that doesn't involve a bus.
@@NozomuYume Interesting. I did not know that was the cause. I figured they just didn't have a train going over the mountains so we had to switch to bus. That coast starlight is very interesting. But I'd still have to change to bus to reach where I am, in Eureka. Idk why I never noticed that route, they both stop in Martinez. Guess the times just didn't ass up or something. Yeah I hope it finishes soon, I remember seeing it being constructed on my last trip, that's very exciting!
@@Lazris59 Yeah the redwood coast train line got shut down decades ago -- even for freight, which is why all travel to Eureka has been bustituted. (Parts of it in Sonoma and Marin got reactivated for SMART). If you can get someone to give you a ride to Redding you can get on the Coast Starlight there (southbound leaves around 2AM, northbound leaves around 3AM). It's also possible to get to Redding by bus but you have to take 3 separate transit agencies to do it because CA has no statewide bus system (just a huge patchwork of agencies, plus a few Amtrak/Greyhound buses). Redwood coast people have shit connections for transit and are mostly just forced to use the expensive-ass airport. =( The reason you've never seen the Coast Starlight option when booking is because the Amtrak California buses only leave Eureka in the morning, which means they can't catch up to the Coast Starlight train which leaves Martinez in the morning as well. There's only one Coast Starlight train per day whereas there's a bunch of San Joaquins trains to Bakersfield (and thus buses from there to LA). If you want to take the Coast Starlight to LA but can't get a ride to Redding in the wee hours, the other option is to take the 10:35pm bus on Greyhound to Oakland (arrives a bit after 5AM). Then chill in Oakland for a few hours in the morning -- you can take an Uber/Lyft to the Oakland Jack London Amtrak station (Greyhound and Amtrak Oakland stations are in different places), the Coast Starlight leaves southbound from there around 8:20AM. Alternatively if you don't want to hang out in Oakland you can take that same Greyhound bus to San Francisco Transbay, arriving at around 6AM. The Amtrak bus to meet the train in Oakland leaves SF Transbay at around 7:30AM, so you could walk around SF Transbay for a bit and look at the cool tall buildings. =)
@@NozomuYume It's really awesome to actually learn the reasons for what I've experienced. Such as the train not going up the coast leaving me with only a bus option. And why I've never had an option to connect with the coast starlight, since it never syncs up at martinez with any bus line coming down. Thank you for your response! Maybe I'll try to get over to redding and take the starlight up into Oregon on a trip sometime. I'm so close but I've still never been in that state! lol. Sounds like a real pain to try to catch it to LA, but maybe the comfort of a train will make it worth it. I bet they have dark cars on there where I could get some actual rest too vs the uncomfortable and unrestful sleep on a bus. If I may ask, how do you know all of this? Do you work for amtrak to some degree? Your knowledge of public transportation is astounding. Reminds me of talking about freeways/highways and roads with my trucker uncle. He knows all the roads to take and talks about them like the back of his hand. He always tells me what freeways to avoid due to traffic and stuff whenever I travel down the state! lol
In my city "Dusseldorf" there is a train network that confuses everyone when he tries to understand it, if he has never seen or used it. In the city we have a tram, a subway, a city railway. the tram runs mostly on the street sometimes in the underground, then we have a subway, which sometimes drives on the street and then we have the "city train" which usually drives like a "train" on its own track bed, but also on the road and in the underground. the only difference to the other railway lines is that the "city train" connects the four "big" cities. fun fact: the city railway , also called " S-Bahn "holds unlike the "DB S-Bahn" on every cursed mailbox;) e.g. DB "S-Bahn" stops at 5 stations the urban " city train" stops at 25 stations
In Japan the distinction between rapid transit/metro/subway and commuter rail/long-distance railways can be pretty blurred too. Generally in, say, Tokyo, most but not all underground track is managed by subway operators e.g. _Toei_ (literally meaning "metropolitan-run" in Japanese I think), but most lines are directly connected to elevated ones that're mostly managed by commuter rail/long-distance railway operators e.g. JR, _Seibu, Tobu, Tokyu_ , and trains usually run from one system to another, but the integration can be pretty piecemeal i.e. each different subway line is usually compatible with (a) different commuter rail operator's line(s), which each aren't usually connected to one another. Don't be surprised if you enter 1 operator's train station's platforms but a different operator's train shows up instead. You also have the long-distance _Romancecar_ trains (from the _Hakone_ countryside) running all the way into some subway stations too.
Doesn't Stockholms "Commuter Trains" count as S-bahn? It is operated by "SL" which also operates the metro, bus, tram and other services. So you can basically buy 1 days card and use all of the above including the "Commuter Train".
ignoring just about any other rail line in boston, specifically the green line seems to make quite a lot of sense, or if in the theoretical world they properly connected south station to north station, which technically the orange line does, then that could certainly be considered one
I would argue London's District, Metropolitan, Circle and Hammersmith and City Lines are hybrid S/U trains because they're very different to the 'tube' trains which are often just one line. The District and Metropolitan both have four branches in West London, some leaving the City entirely (like Chesham), then they converge to a single circular line in Central London. Also the trains are bigger and faster than a standard Metro train like on e.g. the Victoria Line. Obviously them being officially part of the Underground heavily implies they're metros, but I think they're more half and half. Also, I believe Barcelona has something similar to S trains, with underground termini at Place d'Catalunya and and Place D'Espanya, and they're numbered S1, S2, etc. They're not counted as metro (L1, L2 etc) or regional trains (R1, R2, etc.)
@@anguscunningham1296 when I say faster I'm referring to how the Metropolitan line trains run some express services that skip stops, but it is indeed true that they are generally slower than London's suburban trains and presumably a standard European S Bahn too
In São Paulo, we have the CPTM (Companhia Paulista de Trens Metropolitanos = São Paulo State Company of Metropolitan Trains). Unlike those ones in Europe, all but one line of the CPTM actually goes right to downtown São Paulo, at Luz station, or to Brás and Barra Funda Stations, which are close to downtown and you can commute to Luz station. All the lines were built still in the 19th century and were used mainly for transportation of goods (at that time, mainly coffee). In the 60's, we decided we wanted to be more "modern" and more like America and we started letting railways vanish in favor of road transport. Luz station is a far cry from a "fancier" time of the Coffee Barons, with a very beautiful English style achitecture. The few railway kylometers that remained around São Paulo Metro Region were converted into the CPTM, which still very slow. If you're going to a faraway town in the metro region, like Jundiaí or Mogi das Cruzes, it still pays off to take an intermunicipal bus.
Warsaw and Gdańsk have also s trains called skm they are really convinient to use they work on quite long distances. And in some places in Poland regional trains work kind like s trains.
in my opinion the best name for these types of train would be ”Commuter trains” because they go between communities (the suburbs, outer suburbs) of the city in comparison to the Metro with sippy only goes in/around the urban city center. a Dream City for me would be a city were in the urban center only cabs, Vans and trucks, as well as 911 services are allowed. compliment this by public transport with buses, tram, Metro and bycicles. And then, further out to suburbs you would have buses and the commuter trains.
In terms of proper terminologi the BART is a metro, but it's kinda in a grey area as well to being a normal train service, although i personaly wouldnt categories it as an S-train.
BART is what gets the closest in the US to the S-Bahn systems in Berlin and Hamburg. It's faster and serves a larger area than a typical metro/subway system and its lines converge into a common trunk section in the centre.
BART, DC metro, MARTA.. they're all like Berlin S bahn for frequency and capacity. They reach speeds like 60 mph between stops often. Their right-of-way is not shared. Most stops are suburban. They were started in the 1970s and 80s
As a citizen of Copenhagen (one of the cities with a pretty decently sized S train system) I would say that Bart could be classified as an S train. Mostly due to it's hybrid placement between subway and long distance commuter train like CalTrain, combined with their higher speed than that of subway trains.
I'm from Philadelphia take the train for work, and was actually thinking about how the train system is similar to the S-Train! I thought a lot of the large cities in the US did have similar commuter rail networks, though. I'd used the S-Bahn in Stuttgart and the system seemed a lot smaller to me and more like streetcars.
One important feature that S-Bahns in Germany have that SEPTA unfortunately lacks is regular intervals between trains. In Stuttgart you are confusing S-Bahn and U-Bahn. That's like the difference between SEPTA and the subway in Philly. The S-Bahn is a DB operated commuter rail with an underground trunk line in the city center, typical for most German cities. The U-Bahn in Stuttgart is a hybrid system that was originally a streetcar system, the central part of which gut put underground about forty years ago, and forthwith was called U-Bahn, even though the outer parts all run above ground in the middle of the street like a streetcar. Frankfurt and Köln have similar systems.
funny that you only clicked on tram (which drives through a border checkpoint) stations while hovering over Basel/Weil am Rhein. (the tram and bus services from basel go to all 3 countries aswell) also the map you used to show all S-Bahn trainlines in Germany/Switzerland is def. outdated. it showed the Rheintalbahn as part of the S-Bahn system (was only counted as part of mentioned regio S-bahn (as "S4") for a short time) its just a normal RE regional train service. Also the S1 line of it is split. the part from Basel to Mulhouse is technically just another regional express train "TER" run by the SCNF (whith near to no sign of it being called "S1"), while the Swiss part is run by the SBB where it actually is called the S1
The "Rhine-Ruhr metropolitan region" has a population of about 10.7 million - if it was one city, it would rank 16th on the list of largest cities in the world, having comparable populations to Delhi or Jakarta.
We have the same sort of thing with GO in South Ontario. However it's pretty outdated and underfunded right now, and only Union station has more than one line connected.
Your map of Copenhagen is a humorous map with literal translations of the native names, with many actually being funny mistranslations because the meaning is not even clear to Danes. Some of them have even been elaborated further to add to the humorous effect.
Do you think a video on the geography of stadiums and arenas could be possible? Which venues are best and worst taking public trains to take when going to something like a concert or sports event.
I tend to think of these as hybrid lines - metro in the core but more commuter/regional rail on the edge In actual fact there are very few true metro lines under what seems to be your definition. Eg Circle Line in London, or some of the North+South lines in New York. Most other lines exhibit characteristics of regional rail around the edges. Eg. On most lines the outer stops of the London Underground are actually above ground and fairly far apart, same with trains going into Brooklyn and Long island in Ny. And same with more modern metros in Chinese and other Asian cities. As mentioned above (at least for another 2 months when it gets a single deck driverless line) the entire Sydney system is double deck and of this hybrid type.
I kinda object to the term "S-Train". In northern Germany people do refer to a train as "Bahn", but the standard German term for a train would be "Zug" (which we also use here in southern Germany. Nobody says Bahn here unless referring to the S-Bahn or Deutsche Bahn). "Bahn" used in the sense of S-Bahn or Deutsche Bahn would have to be translated as rail or railway. So Suburban Rail would be a better-fitting translation. Sorry for being nitpicky ^^; Giving each line a unique name would be very complicated in some cases. I commute to Munich by train...I can't even imagine the mess this would cause with announcements. They always say which lines you can take when the train reaches the next stop. I leave the train at Munich East. Every S-Rail line runs through there because it's part of the Stammstrecke...I don't even want to imagine what it would sound like if every line they announce had its own name. Vienna would be ridiculous. Listening to the announcements already is very confusing since Vienna has so many different lines...announcements would take 5 minutes if every line had its own name.
Tokyo probably be like: _Allow me to introduce myself_ (though some lines' names that seem to be proper nouns in English are actually common nouns in Japanese e.g. _Tozai_ -> 'east-west', _Namboku_ -> 'north-south', _Tohoku_ -> 'north-east', _Tokaido_ -> "eastern strait", _Chuo_ -> 'central', _Fukutoshin_ -> "auxiliary metropolitan downtown")
Hi! Check new moscow s-bahn like railroads: moscow central diameters and moscow central ring. Moscow central ring is 100year old ring railload which was used to supply factories. Since Moscow moved from indystry economy to more service economy this railroad was not used and Moscow government diceded to upgraded it and make an S-bahn system, intigrated with moscow metro. It worked great! So now Moscow government is planning to upgrade moscow railroads and create S-bahn routes across Moscow (moscow central diameters ).
The Copenhagen "translations" are obviously tweaked to be maximally bad, instead of anything useful. Like when "Pete's Explosion Road" is named after a road, which was named after the historical person Peter Bang. Many of the mistranslations does not even make sense read as literal word-by word. Very bad source.
BART is ok. Amtrak California surfliner has double decker trains except for 1 train. Service is better where they travel along the ocean. San Luis Obispo to Simi Valley is mostly on the beach and then San Juan Capistrano to San Diego is also mostly along the beach with ocean views. $72 round trip from Los Angeles Union Station to San Diego Sante Fe Station. Excellent trip along the coast. $5 day pass in San Diego blue line trolley newly updated goes to Tijuana Mexico. Passports required to cross the border. Used to need only drivers license but ruined now. Shopping mall outlets on the California side of the border. Las Americas San Ysidro.
The Czech S-Bahn network is a joke, tbh. There's one in Brno, kind of connecting the region and imho that's more of an S-Bahn than the one in Prague. The one in Prague is just... They just wanted to sound like a big city, so they took preexisting regional trains and simply slammed the S sticker on them. A few years ago, there was a campaign showing what an actual S-Bahn in Prague could look like and it was way different. The main reason for this is that the two neighboring train stations in the city centre (Hlavní nádraží - the Main Train Station and Masarykovo nádraží - Masaryk's Train Station) cannot be connected. So some S-Bahns go to one of them and some S-Bahns go to the other one. In the future with the potential real S-Bahn network, they might actually connect them. But that's gonna be maybe in the 24th century or something like that.
If passenger numbers and therefore flights double while planes get 10% more efficient (made up numbers ;) ), thats still way worse than if everyone would stay on the ground, go by ship or train. So ultimately there has to be a way to get this amount of weight in the air without burning fuels but on a different kind of energy source.
I agreed (and mentioned it) but the truth is that it's not a 0 benefit game to get more people in the air. Many of the things that bring the world together and make us more prosperous rely on it
Im not sure if that’s the Name everywhere in germany but in Karlsruhe (southwest) we call it „Straßenbahn“ which translates to „street train“. We call it that bc inside the cities the lines go like Trams. I think that’s the origin of „S“ in S-Bahn rather than Stadt Bahn, ive Never actually heard anyone say Stadt Bahn Cool Video tho
Fun fact, Basel is the first and so far only city to have a trinational tram network. In recent years they opened lines into St. Louis (France) And Weil am Rhein (Germany)
I am a total Geography AND Transportation geek myself. It's especially rare among our age group, and even more so here in the US. In the US, the reason why the government never does anything with the infrastructure, is because they themselves say "It's not sexy enough to talk about". Seriously. In other words, it's not a topic that is popular or cared about by most people and is seen as boring, therefore, they do not give it any real attention or care. Welcome, to a D- soon to be F in US Infrastructure. WOO! And they do include Transportation within infrastructure here, so it's for the same reason they don't care about it. We have "false" transit here I love to say. It's a sorry excuse for it. Europe, Japan and now even China are all setting the example of how to build and run a REAL transport system. And hell, Europe was the birth place of ALL forms of transportation, even the automobile! So it makes perfect sense!
Yeah, great to know I'm not alone in this case (of being both a transport and geography fan... well I'd add languages and history) x) except I live in France and I use it almost every day, so maybe it makes more sense, no idea.
Don't you think it might be linked to some interest conflicts with the automobile industry? I thought about this because of Jay Foreman's video on why trams don't exist anymore in London...
But yeah, it would totally make sens for America to have a decent transportation system!
Nonetheless, I loved New York's giant metros (I guess lines G and Z? The yellow ones to Brooklyn?) and its express system with the losange lines... I guess it looks kinda boring to see only grey carriages compared to Paris' many models, but still... :)
I'm a Brazilian, and urban trains here are only used in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.. travel trains as well is only used in 2 routes.. the other ones are just shorter routes for tourism purposes. Cargo trains are rarely used. I guess metro systems are used over 10 cities or less. Despite having our economy boosted by the trains at the XIX and XX, in the 50's there was a huge influence from US and then all the railways were extinct, being replaced by the highways. Nowadays, we are mostly dependent on trucks, which are slower, smaller and more expensive to us, causing a lot of infrastructure crisis and costs a lot more. We suffer because of the lack of trains. We once had a bullet train project for the World Cup in 2014 and Olympics in 2016, but it never left the paper because of politicians.
As an American, Im not well-educated in the trains of Europe and found this wildly interesting... Been watching your videos for 3 years and I just wanted to congratulate you for reaching 920K on ur main channel
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The translations for the danish station name are hilarious. The names are just direct translations and it doesn't make any sense xD
You missed out the Zürich S-Bahn, which is absolutely brilliant and also runs doubledecker trains, and covers a huge metropolitan area...
Yaaay, public transportation once again, you made my day!! 😊
I really didn't think I would see that notification pop up about S-Trains. I hoped for it though 😉
I think (and it's not because I use it every day) that Paris and it's RER is probably the most interesting S-Train system, mainly because of its high demand and what you need to do to fight that problem. I would put Spain and the Cercenías 2nd and Berlin 3rd as of now, although I loved doing research about public transportation in Berlin during the cold war (like Pankstrasse and Siemensdamm are actually nuclear shelters, or how the U6 did allow and exchange to both West and East S-Bahn!)
(By the way Poland also have 3 lines in Warsaw, and I loved the danish system and your video in general! ☺)
The RER line A is one of the best examples of induced trafic. It's like an underground motorway x)
I lived 15 years of my life near Charles de Gaulle-Étoile station on the RER A, also shared with lines 1, 2, and 6, and I happened to always prefer taking the RER, because i viewed the metro as mostly slow and inefficient. I used to go to school taking this line along with Transilien line U (it's the name of suburb trains), taking one more bus afterwards into Versailles, at peak hour. So I saw how the service quality degraded and how they had to fix the problem.
The first problem was these simple decker trains. Cergy (A3) branch had some, because the voltage was not the same as the rest of the network, the others had 50 year-old carriages! 😂 Now, there's not a single simple-decker train anymore, the alimentation issue has been fixed... but it's still well over capacity, although way more livable !
The main problem is, it's a high-speed link between 2 business "quartiers" (La Défense mostly and also Auber) . It's the most congested section (I took its last part every morning), although Auber's frequentation is not that high compared to the other stations. Also having Gare de Lyon and Châtelet with he other lines and the commercial center isn't very helpful. Add the Arc de Triomphe and very dense suburbs northwest and east of the line, you get the point...
It's the addition of various trafic that make this line unlivable. The fun part is, the ReR A itself is a congestion solution. 😉 Metro lines 1 and 4 were always the ones with the biggest congestion, so they built ReR lines A and B respectively to deal with this issue.
Because they got quickly congested, they added 2 additional ones (RER E and line 14 which will extend soon to La Défense and populated suburbs), which again contribute to the saturation more then they resolve it. Even though these lines are either automatic or have a virtual signalisation, they still have trouble at peak hours. The better it goes, the more people tend to use it. ^^ RER lines A and B are still the busiest, metro lines 1 and 4 as well, while metro 14's central section doesn't do way better and RER E only brings people from the suburbs to the city, very few use it between Saint Lazare ans Gare du Nord ^^
I now live at Saint Quentin en Yvelines, a very distant suburb on RER line C, but I still have trains every 10 minutes even at 10Pm and I guess 5 minutes at peak hours because 3 different lines go through my station 😅 However, here, it manages to absorb the passengers. Surprising...
By the way, on December 9th, they will cut most branches and buckles on ReR line D to manage traffic, it's the first time they ever decide such a thing. Let's see how it goes!
Are suburbs a good thing? Well, you can't have double decker cities x) it's still a good way, maybe even rhe only way to boost a city's economical growth! The suburbs question would certainly be a good topic....
In Helsinki there's been a plan to create an underground railway loop in the downtown area called "Pisararata". It would be used by most of the commuter trains and they would become through-lines through the center instead of just terminating at the central station. Also in 2015 a connecting line between two railway branches was opened to create a loop line around the suburbs that goes from Helsinki to Helsinki. The new line also goes through the airport.
Please continue the public transport videos
The whole Netherlands is so interconnected by Sprinter trains that it can be considered as one giant s-train system. Also in Poland we have some S-bahn-like networks (SKM), like in Tricity, or Warsaw, where it shares the tracks with regional trains (so its like a one system with two different operators).
Meanwhile in the UK our trains are using 20th century carriages on victorian rails and late 1/3rd of the time.
Most countries also use 20th century carriages.
They are quite decent and recent in the UK and most of Europe.
Meanwhile in Canada and in the United states there are still 1950s and 1960s carriages, and 1970s-built carriages based on old 1960s design. Amfleets have awfully small windows for example.
France also still keeps its oldest 1970s designed (190s built) TGVs but they are still more modern and much faster than many trains elsewhere.
Then you haven't had the nightmare of commuting with the Deutsche Bahn...
Milan has a S train network with the s being suburban, all the lines pass through the centre of the city. Lines are labeled S1, S2, S3...
spain has that as well, its called the “tren de cercanías” (train of surroundings), I know it exists in Madrid and Barcelona (also in Barcelona there is the “Ferrocarrils de la Generalitat”, that kind of complement the Cercanías), but Im not sure if it exists anywhere else.
Australian metro trains are S-bahn style in layout. US and canadian commuter trains could be S-bahns if they weren't restricted to one-way rush hour service
Surprised you didn't talk about Zürich. They're also called "S-Bahn" with some parts and train stations being underground (either fully for some lines at Hauptbanhof and some underground-ish, like Stadelhofen).
The Zürich S-Bahn seems like such an obvious choice to me, but then again, I grew up there.
Plus it also uses double decker trains for the whole system, and the system covers quite a big area. Added to the fact that they use the mainline railway for the approach to the city/main station on the west side, and then just continued underground to the east. Then there is the speciality that mainline inter-city trains use the same tunnels, which is probably unique.
Mexxx Don’t forget about the weird S18 Forchbahn that is randomly a tram yet also an S-Bahn! And the S41 goes into Germany I think as far as I can remember. Zürich has a really unique S-Bahn system I wonder why it wasn’t mentioned...
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The Norwegian word is "Bybane" ("By" is the Norwegian word for "city").
And yeah, that's the one we're talking about building in Trondheim.
isnt that more like a light rail?
+@@MerleTrains How would you define a "light rail" as different from "S Trains"?
Very simple: in most cases, S Trains are basically operated like Heavy rail just with many stops while light rail is slower (at least in Germany S Trains go in between 100-160 kmh but light rail maximum 80kmh, except if they also go on railway lines as tram train, then also 100kmh in these sections) and also has more tram like features and vehicles (S Train: 100-210m long, Light Rail: 30-60m long, up to 90m in Düsseldorf, even on Roads) and yes, thats also another difference that light rail can go on the road. if you want, i can get into more detail, just ask.
+@@MerleTrains I don't believe we operate with that kind of differentiation here...
I don't know the details but I suspect we're going to have some kind of hybrid between the two things you mentioned...
In Spain there are a few cities with S Bahns, but they’re called Cercanías, and the bigger cities have more than one tunnel underground to increase capacity
Did you ever ride what you call the "S-Bahn" in Basel? People call that "tram" here and it doesn't go underground at all. There's two main trainstations, one Swiss and one "German" one, the German one being an exclave on Swiss territory and it's run by the "deutsche Bahn". Both are major hubs where a lot of the Tram and Bus lines cross. I used to use both when I studied at Basel University. The inner city is basically in between those main train stations.
They are trying to build a new underground connection and a new Station called "Basel Mitte" (Middle Basel) at the moment. Once that's done I think you'll get something more like the "S-Bahn" system you're talking about.
Several cites in Spain have S-Bahn systems called Cercanias, which in case of the autonomous regions are called differently, for example in Barcelona it is called Rodalies (but some ticket machines still have the Cercanias logo on them). They are very efficient and in some cities link the airport to the city which makes it very convenient to travel there. The trains are run by a division of Renfe, the Spanish rail company which also runs the high speed long distance trains between the major cities. One of the major properties of S-Bahn systems which seperates them from (long distance) railways is that there is usually a city/region wide fare system which includes buses, trams and metros which unfortunately can be a bit complicated because it has to account for the longer distances being covered by suburban trains. The fare system in German cities is sometimes difficult to understand even for Germans.
S-Bahn is short for StadtSchnellBahn, or fast city train.
Within Germany, Berlin and Hamburg have the oldest systems. S-Bahnen in those two cities are basically metros with larger distances between stops and more overground and raised sections.
The other S-Bahn systems are more like regional trains. Even larger distances traveled, but lower frequencies.
You did a great job explaining the trunk/branch lines concept.
Belgium has recently rebranded a lot of L-trains (local) into S-trains recently. The name S-Bahn is likely to be originated from 'Stadschnellbahn' (fast city train.
As for flying, if there is any place where filling an additional seat is creating extra demand it is airplanes, especially low-cost airlines. They adjust their flights and prices so much that a single booking is almost certainly an extra 1/189 flight in the air.
You missed the S in Vienna, which is the only one I have experienced. The joke while I was there (don’t know if it was local or amongst Americans) was that the S stands for slow, not schnell train (which is what I was told what it stands for). Also, one could consider the Metra in Chicago to be an S train and in NYC, they actually have 3 systems that together would complete an S train line. The LIRR, which was mentioned, as well as NJ Transit and Metro North. The difference in the States is that most rail systems, and even some of the metros, were originally created by competing companies, so they aren’t as centralized at their core.
Actually, he does mention the Vienna S-Bahn, but doesn't elaborate.
I believe the best term for this type of rail service is commuter/suburban railways. This is because they connect the out city limits with the busy core. The most notable suburban systems that come to mind are the Paris RER, the S-Bahn systems, the London Overground/Crossrail/ThamesLink, Tokyo Metro (and it's respective rail connections), NYC MTA, LA Metrolink/Cal Train/Coaster, etc... They are all classified as heavy rail transport designed to carry a large amount of people to and from the city center, suburbs and surrounding communities.
And adding to my last comment: You can also take the Cross-Border tram from Basel to Germany
The RER in Paris is not more expensive than the Metro....Within Paris proper, it's the same fare as the Metro with unlimited transfers between them. You pay more to go out to suburban stops.
Often it's much faster to use the RER than the Metro within Paris if it goes where you're going.
Did you know that the S4 of the Salzburg S-Bahn only runs in Germany (In my knowledge)
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@@ekvedrek yes, it actually does and is only extended during rush hour. Rode it quite a few times since I made that comment. It's also called the Berchtesgadener Land Bahn (BLB)
The S in S-Bahn in Austria actually stands for Schnellbahn (fast train) :)
Two other international S train networks are the one in Liège, Belgium (one line goes to Maastricht, The Netherlands) and the "Léman Express" in Genève, Switzerland, which has some lines going to France.
Zurich has also one S-Bahn line with stops in germany.
An extra fun fact: Thameslink is a normal national rail line whilst, crossrail is owned by TFL (which in case you didn't no owns the tube). Thameslink goes to little villages and towns further outside of London, whilst crossrail goes to big towns JUST outside of London
I think the distinction between thameslink and crossrail is harder to make the more you dive into it, as they're both projects with heavy government investment, operated by private companies
The standard train service in the netherlands has stopper trains called "sprinters" that basically act like a nation wide S-bahn it seems. high frequency and capacity, though stop in multiple stops, especially within cities.
7:21 Another good thing about Thameslink is the fact that the rear First Class on every service is declassified, so you can get into it with a Standard Class ticket or Oyster Card
I'm from Leipzig and we have a kind of good working system that uses S-Bahn, Tram and buses to connect not only the different parts of the city to each other but also connect everything to Leipzig and the other cities. We even have one really long tram line(number 11) that goes right through Leipzig but also connects two towns that are right next to Leipzig.
We also kind of have an underground but I don't think our four stations underground do really count for our S-Bahn.
S-bahn does not mean Stadtbahn. A Stadtbahn is basically a light-rail style U-Bahn. Aka a combination of a Tram and a Subway. A concept which is extremely popular in Germany. Most Stadtbahn Systems which where build in the sixties and seventies have multiple center tunnel Cores but use Tram Tracks in the suburbs. Stadtbahn systems build in the late nineties and early 2000 are now usually only a Tram with a fancy name.
Meanwhile the word S-Bahn stand for Schnellbahn or Fast-Train in English. Admittedly not very creative. The S-Bahn usually uses the Trackage of the DB, the German version of National Rail. And runs legally as a train and not a Tram. The U-Bahn/Stadtbahn is legally a Tram. S-bahn are basically a Regional Commuter Rail but with a higher frequency than a Regional Train. Stadtbahns are usually only with in the City and sometimes
It's neighborhood.
I never understood the S-bahn system. The train I normally use was always called Regional Bahn, but since some months it's called S-bahn. This train Links the Rhein-Main and Rhein-Neckar regions
There are actually only 4 trains a day or so from Montauk (furthest terminus on LIRR) to NYC.
Meanwhile I commute on the S train in Copenhagen every day, getting to and from where I study. Great system, though the company that runs the trains often has some severe delays and there has been a bunch of strikes as of recently. Yesterday I was stuck at a small suburban station for 30 minutes, even despite me being on an Express line train. But yeah great system. Each line has a train every 10 minutes (with the exceptions being the H and Bx lines which run every 20 for reasons likely related to budget cuts and the F line going around Downtown which runs every 5 minutes) And yet people in my town are demanding more s trains to their station. I live at the end of one of the express lines and so we have trains every 10 minutes but they are packed. Mostly because of this town being the end of the line as well as a major transport hub where people can take railcars into the countryside every 20-30 minutes depending on which of the 4 lines going from there you choose as well as a ton of busses. So they're pretty much demanding that the local line which ends a few stops prior, within the city suburbs to be extended so that there can be train approximately every 5 minutes going in towards Copenhagen. A bit crazy but it's something. Others have proposed that the new trains for the network should be double Deckers like the RER trains, on top of the Government currently trying to automatize the whole network. So yeah... lots of stuff going on.
Today is Romania's 100th anniversary! 100 years since we united with Transylvania!
And it's -3C in Timişoara
Really? Epic! Happy belated BDay, Romania!
Congratulations, Mr. Dracula!
Sydney is the only capital city rail net work in oz that use double decker trains
The Philadelphia regional rail is lit as hell. It's all electric and very frequent. Also, metro North in NY and METRA in Chicago are S bahn.
9:44 this network map is actually for the schadule year 2020 (starting in december 2019) where a lot of it changes and about half the lines are getting privatized. the network today still looks slightly different
10:00 also, averything from buses to regional trains is the same tariff here, so taking a regional train could actually be smarter as you would have more time of your ticket left to take buses, trams or light rail in the city of your destination. the price for the highest tariff "Preisstufe D" (go anywhere within the rhein ruhr region or even cross some borders also to the netherlands with designated trains within 5 hours, where round and return trips are not allowed is) 15,30€
and yes, additionally to the s-bahn network we have also many interconnected light rail and tram networks, operated by each citie's transport authority. my favourite light rail line, which is also the most used one (U79) is actually operated by 2 transport authorities together.
"Maybe people should stay exactly where they are"
You're about 1.5 years too early
You should’ve mentioned the light train systems in Scandinavia («Pendeltåg» in Swedish, and «Lokaltog» in Norwegian). In Norway at least we have many strange local service lines, for example in Bergen, where the local line between Bergen and Myrdal, literally have 8-9 stations stopping for people to take a hike in the mountains, about two or three houses around each stop, and runs two times a day :)
Can you do such a video about Switzerland? I think that would be interesting.
Very nice video. Just some minor corrections regarding the situation in Germany, I would like to point out:
1. "S-Bahn" means "Stadtschnellbahn". It's different from a "Stadtbahn" which is basically a metro (U-Bahn) which also goes overground and has intersections with other vehicles.
2. The S-Bahn situation in Berlin isn't like that because of the wall, but has been like that since it was constructed. Berlin used to have five different train stations for long-distance travel, connecting the city to other cities like Hamburg or Görlitz. To connect these, a new train line was introduced, albeit for the transportation of goods and troops only. Since the city was growing fast, a train line running through the city was considered a hindrance, so they built a train ring surrounding the city walls, which was then also opened for civilian transportation. The reason why the ring lies within the city boundaries nowadays, is that a lot of surrounding towns were made part of Berlin in 1920. The S-Bahn then just used the tracks of the long-distance lines, hence the radial shape of the S-Bahn network.
3. In addition to the S-Bahn there are also regional trains (Regionalexpress or Regionalbahn). These connect smaller towns with each other and, when running through bigger cities, skip a bunch of stations that the S-Bahn would normally service.
4. Sadly, public transportation in the Rhein-Ruhr area isn't all that cheap. E.g. going from Düsseldorf to Dortmund one way costs 15.30€, if I remember correctly.
Jeez I lived in Crawley and I never new that Gatwick and three bridges had s trains also it missed Crawley and Ifield stations which are part of crawley
11:14 _Tokyu_ Corporation does operate a commuter rail line ( _Denentoshi_ ) that directly connects with Tokyo's & Yokohama's subway/metro lines I remember
I can think of a scenario when you are interested in this fact that I am going to tell you even though it’s two year old video. Nowadays, there is a lot of S-Bahn style transit in the Czech Republic. S-Line is made for Prague, Ostrava and Brno, there’s also U-Line for the region of Ústí nad Labem which is not underground, but an S-Bahn kind of thing only called U-Line because of the city name. I will make some materials on this topic in the future.
If Bulgaria and Romania finally enter Schengen, there is a high chance they will make an S-Bahn in Rousse that goes to Romania too. There were already plans for an S-Bahn in the past but the government struck them down cause the national railway operator still had a monopoly.
Johor Bahru, Malaysia: _cried in delayed RTS (rapid transit system) rail project to Singapore?_ (which will have border controls also)
A semi S-train is the second line of metro in Warsaw, that is fully underground
I never knew how behind trains were in the UK...
And I never knew how far behind……never mind. I remembered I live in America.
@@dochtuirrussell trade off for untolled freeway maintenance not in exchange for higher fuel price
a lot of UK rail was laid before standardisation of rail design, so I think it's cool how it runs now despite this
There are so many commuter lines in London but it's just that they all run into terminals rather than cross the city like other european s trains. Plus the underground goes into most of the suburbs and there's the Overground too so there's not much need for more lines in London. However the railways outside southeast England and in other cities are terrible.
In Denver (U.S.A), I think that the light rail system is very similar to the S-Bahn system. We have 5 lines, A-E which lead to one central station which is in the middle of downtown Denver, and it starts in places which are 30 minutes away from the Down Town region (in smaller suburbs/towns) and the maps are formatted similarly to some of the S-Bahn maps. The only difference, I believe is the train style, and the fact that it's above ground at certain places. (I'm not sure if the S-Bahn is underground because I have never visited Europe, although I will go this summer)
Belgium does have S-Trains as well... It's called officialy GEN or ReR (like in France) but most people know it as S-net... We actually do have 5 of them (Brussels, Antwerp, Liége, Ghent and Charleroi) and to judge a train by it's look: most of them have the MS-08 Desiro ML which looks nice at the outside 😃
In Germany, the S-Bahns are operated by DB.....the fares are not different from the regular local fares....you can use S-Bahns and regional trains interchangeably with the same tickets.
can you make a video about the tokyo metro?
maybe when I'm next in tokyo! :)
*Pete's Explosion Road*
Peter Bangs Vej (referring to the Danish politician Peter Georg Bang).
I wonder what program was used to make this kind of translation (or if they were made by a person) because even Google Translate no longer produces broken translations like these.
I'm in California and have never had great public transportation. Closest thing to good is a decent bus system, where they all meet up every hour and you can transfer to another to go to a different part of the city. I've never used a subway, I've used above ground metros which was basically a 1 track. I have used public transportation to travel large distances up and down california ( a bus -> train -> bus) kinda sucked with the 2 transfers. But train systems like this, where it connect the outskirts to the city center and supplies the demand of the city center (every 2 mins) and outskits (every 30 mins or 1 hour) sounds like a no brainer. Helps get workers to work, tourists to tourist destinations and people from their homes to the city for shopping, etc. Should be much more common, imo. Especially here in the states, specifically... the west...
That bus -> train -> bus issue you describe is caused by the Bakersfield LA gap in the central valley line. It's because Union Pacific refuses to let passenger trains on the Tehachapi line that's between the two. An alternative to this is to use the Coast Starlight's coastal route, which while slower and windier does give you a one-seat ride up and down the state from the Oregon border to as far south as Los Angeles.
If they manage to keep CAHSR alive, a new dedicated passenger line will get built between Bakersfield and LA, providing a faster north/south route that doesn't involve a bus.
@@NozomuYume Interesting. I did not know that was the cause. I figured they just didn't have a train going over the mountains so we had to switch to bus. That coast starlight is very interesting. But I'd still have to change to bus to reach where I am, in Eureka. Idk why I never noticed that route, they both stop in Martinez. Guess the times just didn't ass up or something. Yeah I hope it finishes soon, I remember seeing it being constructed on my last trip, that's very exciting!
@@Lazris59 Yeah the redwood coast train line got shut down decades ago -- even for freight, which is why all travel to Eureka has been bustituted. (Parts of it in Sonoma and Marin got reactivated for SMART). If you can get someone to give you a ride to Redding you can get on the Coast Starlight there (southbound leaves around 2AM, northbound leaves around 3AM). It's also possible to get to Redding by bus but you have to take 3 separate transit agencies to do it because CA has no statewide bus system (just a huge patchwork of agencies, plus a few Amtrak/Greyhound buses). Redwood coast people have shit connections for transit and are mostly just forced to use the expensive-ass airport. =(
The reason you've never seen the Coast Starlight option when booking is because the Amtrak California buses only leave Eureka in the morning, which means they can't catch up to the Coast Starlight train which leaves Martinez in the morning as well. There's only one Coast Starlight train per day whereas there's a bunch of San Joaquins trains to Bakersfield (and thus buses from there to LA).
If you want to take the Coast Starlight to LA but can't get a ride to Redding in the wee hours, the other option is to take the 10:35pm bus on Greyhound to Oakland (arrives a bit after 5AM). Then chill in Oakland for a few hours in the morning -- you can take an Uber/Lyft to the Oakland Jack London Amtrak station (Greyhound and Amtrak Oakland stations are in different places), the Coast Starlight leaves southbound from there around 8:20AM.
Alternatively if you don't want to hang out in Oakland you can take that same Greyhound bus to San Francisco Transbay, arriving at around 6AM. The Amtrak bus to meet the train in Oakland leaves SF Transbay at around 7:30AM, so you could walk around SF Transbay for a bit and look at the cool tall buildings. =)
@@NozomuYume It's really awesome to actually learn the reasons for what I've experienced. Such as the train not going up the coast leaving me with only a bus option. And why I've never had an option to connect with the coast starlight, since it never syncs up at martinez with any bus line coming down. Thank you for your response!
Maybe I'll try to get over to redding and take the starlight up into Oregon on a trip sometime. I'm so close but I've still never been in that state! lol. Sounds like a real pain to try to catch it to LA, but maybe the comfort of a train will make it worth it. I bet they have dark cars on there where I could get some actual rest too vs the uncomfortable and unrestful sleep on a bus.
If I may ask, how do you know all of this? Do you work for amtrak to some degree? Your knowledge of public transportation is astounding. Reminds me of talking about freeways/highways and roads with my trucker uncle. He knows all the roads to take and talks about them like the back of his hand. He always tells me what freeways to avoid due to traffic and stuff whenever I travel down the state! lol
Double-decker trains in the Sydney Interurban.
Euskaltren is brilliant: Hendaye to Bilboa, and everywhere between
In my city "Dusseldorf" there is a train network that confuses everyone when he tries to understand it, if he has never seen or used it. In the city we have a tram, a subway, a city railway.
the tram runs mostly on the street sometimes in the underground,
then we have a subway, which sometimes drives on the street and then we have the
"city train" which usually drives like a "train" on its own track bed, but also on the road and in the underground.
the only difference to the other railway lines is that the "city train" connects the four "big" cities.
fun fact: the city railway , also called " S-Bahn "holds unlike the "DB S-Bahn" on every cursed mailbox;) e.g. DB "S-Bahn" stops at 5 stations
the urban " city train" stops at 25 stations
In Japan the distinction between rapid transit/metro/subway and commuter rail/long-distance railways can be pretty blurred too. Generally in, say, Tokyo, most but not all underground track is managed by subway operators e.g. _Toei_ (literally meaning "metropolitan-run" in Japanese I think), but most lines are directly connected to elevated ones that're mostly managed by commuter rail/long-distance railway operators e.g. JR, _Seibu, Tobu, Tokyu_ , and trains usually run from one system to another, but the integration can be pretty piecemeal i.e. each different subway line is usually compatible with (a) different commuter rail operator's line(s), which each aren't usually connected to one another. Don't be surprised if you enter 1 operator's train station's platforms but a different operator's train shows up instead. You also have the long-distance _Romancecar_ trains (from the _Hakone_ countryside) running all the way into some subway stations too.
Sydney also has double decker trains on an S-Bahn like system
German------English
Schweben=levitating
Doesn't Stockholms "Commuter Trains" count as S-bahn? It is operated by "SL" which also operates the metro, bus, tram and other services. So you can basically buy 1 days card and use all of the above including the "Commuter Train".
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Also Warsaw has its own S-Bahn system, the SKM (Szybka Kolej Miejska/Fast City Railway)
ignoring just about any other rail line in boston, specifically the green line seems to make quite a lot of sense, or if in the theoretical world they properly connected south station to north station, which technically the orange line does, then that could certainly be considered one
Title says "Future of European Transport"
Thumbnail shows suspended monorail.
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UA-cam recommended it as the thumbnail, and I absolutely loved the contrast
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I think it's the Wuppertal metro. It's awesome
@@iascan It's not a metro however since it has only one line and it's mostly above river and not underground.
@@lillybeacon Well yea but there's no actual word to describe it and metro highlights its purpose pretty well
The way he said caterham
Belgium also has a few S train networks around its cities. And it's also called S train :)
if connected S-trains make you excited, you should take a closer look at Switzerland. Basically the whole country is connected.
I would argue London's District, Metropolitan, Circle and Hammersmith and City Lines are hybrid S/U trains because they're very different to the 'tube' trains which are often just one line. The District and Metropolitan both have four branches in West London, some leaving the City entirely (like Chesham), then they converge to a single circular line in Central London. Also the trains are bigger and faster than a standard Metro train like on e.g. the Victoria Line. Obviously them being officially part of the Underground heavily implies they're metros, but I think they're more half and half.
Also, I believe Barcelona has something similar to S trains, with underground termini at Place d'Catalunya and and Place D'Espanya, and they're numbered S1, S2, etc. They're not counted as metro (L1, L2 etc) or regional trains (R1, R2, etc.)
I would agree except that those lines are much slower than other tube lines and suburban trains
@@anguscunningham1296 when I say faster I'm referring to how the Metropolitan line trains run some express services that skip stops, but it is indeed true that they are generally slower than London's suburban trains and presumably a standard European S Bahn too
@@gregorybrett1142 Oh right, with the metropolitan line I would definitely agree then
I died at Pete's explosion road
In São Paulo, we have the CPTM (Companhia Paulista de Trens Metropolitanos = São Paulo State Company of Metropolitan Trains). Unlike those ones in Europe, all but one line of the CPTM actually goes right to downtown São Paulo, at Luz station, or to Brás and Barra Funda Stations, which are close to downtown and you can commute to Luz station.
All the lines were built still in the 19th century and were used mainly for transportation of goods (at that time, mainly coffee). In the 60's, we decided we wanted to be more "modern" and more like America and we started letting railways vanish in favor of road transport. Luz station is a far cry from a "fancier" time of the Coffee Barons, with a very beautiful English style achitecture. The few railway kylometers that remained around São Paulo Metro Region were converted into the CPTM, which still very slow. If you're going to a faraway town in the metro region, like Jundiaí or Mogi das Cruzes, it still pays off to take an intermunicipal bus.
Warsaw and Gdańsk have also s trains called skm they are really convinient to use they work on quite long distances. And in some places in Poland regional trains work kind like s trains.
in my opinion the best name for these types of train would be ”Commuter trains” because they go between communities (the suburbs, outer suburbs) of the city in comparison to the Metro with sippy only goes in/around the urban city center.
a Dream City for me would be a city were in the urban center only cabs, Vans and trucks, as well as 911 services are allowed. compliment this by public transport with buses, tram, Metro and bycicles. And then, further out to suburbs you would have buses and the commuter trains.
Is the San Fransisco Bay Area's BART a s-bahn style system? Also I have no idea what you main channel is but i like this channel.
In terms of proper terminologi the BART is a metro, but it's kinda in a grey area as well to being a normal train service, although i personaly wouldnt categories it as an S-train.
BART is what gets the closest in the US to the S-Bahn systems in Berlin and Hamburg. It's faster and serves a larger area than a typical metro/subway system and its lines converge into a common trunk section in the centre.
BART, DC metro, MARTA.. they're all like Berlin S bahn for frequency and capacity. They reach speeds like 60 mph between stops often. Their right-of-way is not shared. Most stops are suburban. They were started in the 1970s and 80s
As a citizen of Copenhagen (one of the cities with a pretty decently sized S train system) I would say that Bart could be classified as an S train. Mostly due to it's hybrid placement between subway and long distance commuter train like CalTrain, combined with their higher speed than that of subway trains.
BART is a metro designed as non-standard as possible.
I have been on the S-Bahn in Berlin and the one in Paris.
Very good video! You should do the cercanías in Spain :-D
I'm from Philadelphia take the train for work, and was actually thinking about how the train system is similar to the S-Train! I thought a lot of the large cities in the US did have similar commuter rail networks, though. I'd used the S-Bahn in Stuttgart and the system seemed a lot smaller to me and more like streetcars.
One important feature that S-Bahns in Germany have that SEPTA unfortunately lacks is regular intervals between trains.
In Stuttgart you are confusing S-Bahn and U-Bahn. That's like the difference between SEPTA and the subway in Philly.
The S-Bahn is a DB operated commuter rail with an underground trunk line in the city center, typical for most German cities. The U-Bahn in Stuttgart is a hybrid system that was originally a streetcar system, the central part of which gut put underground about forty years ago, and forthwith was called U-Bahn, even though the outer parts all run above ground in the middle of the street like a streetcar. Frankfurt and Köln have similar systems.
It's just like the trains I use on my daily commute here in Sydney. It's nothing novel, but it's a good thing that cities are building these.
funny that you only clicked on tram (which drives through a border checkpoint) stations while hovering over Basel/Weil am Rhein. (the tram and bus services from basel go to all 3 countries aswell)
also the map you used to show all S-Bahn trainlines in Germany/Switzerland is def. outdated. it showed the Rheintalbahn as part of the S-Bahn system (was only counted as part of mentioned regio S-bahn (as "S4") for a short time) its just a normal RE regional train service.
Also the S1 line of it is split. the part from Basel to Mulhouse is technically just another regional express train "TER" run by the SCNF (whith near to no sign of it being called "S1"), while the Swiss part is run by the SBB where it actually is called the S1
The "Rhine-Ruhr metropolitan region" has a population of about 10.7 million - if it was one city, it would rank 16th on the list of largest cities in the world, having comparable populations to Delhi or Jakarta.
We have the same sort of thing with GO in South Ontario. However it's pretty outdated and underfunded right now, and only Union station has more than one line connected.
London also has an S-train: Thameslink.
In the Netherlands we have the Randstadrail between Rotterdam and the Hague
Your map of Copenhagen is a humorous map with literal translations of the native names, with many actually being funny mistranslations because the meaning is not even clear to Danes. Some of them have even been elaborated further to add to the humorous effect.
There's also a German translation of the Tube Map and it's super cool.
Do you think a video on the geography of stadiums and arenas could be possible? Which venues are best and worst taking public trains to take when going to something like a concert or sports event.
17:15 I'm from Dallas, Texas and we also call our transit system (light rail and bus fleet) DART. Our trains are pretty ugly too.
I love how my hometown pops up in your videos every now and then
I tend to think of these as hybrid lines - metro in the core but more commuter/regional rail on the edge
In actual fact there are very few true metro lines under what seems to be your definition.
Eg Circle Line in London, or some of the North+South lines in New York.
Most other lines exhibit characteristics of regional rail around the edges. Eg. On most lines the outer stops of the London Underground are actually above ground and fairly far apart, same with trains going into Brooklyn and Long island in Ny. And same with more modern metros in Chinese and other Asian cities.
As mentioned above (at least for another 2 months when it gets a single deck driverless line) the entire Sydney system is double deck and of this hybrid type.
LOVING these public transport videos! How do you learn all of this information before filming? Keep it up!!
I kinda object to the term "S-Train". In northern Germany people do refer to a train as "Bahn", but the standard German term for a train would be "Zug" (which we also use here in southern Germany. Nobody says Bahn here unless referring to the S-Bahn or Deutsche Bahn). "Bahn" used in the sense of S-Bahn or Deutsche Bahn would have to be translated as rail or railway. So Suburban Rail would be a better-fitting translation. Sorry for being nitpicky ^^;
Giving each line a unique name would be very complicated in some cases. I commute to Munich by train...I can't even imagine the mess this would cause with announcements. They always say which lines you can take when the train reaches the next stop. I leave the train at Munich East. Every S-Rail line runs through there because it's part of the Stammstrecke...I don't even want to imagine what it would sound like if every line they announce had its own name.
Vienna would be ridiculous. Listening to the announcements already is very confusing since Vienna has so many different lines...announcements would take 5 minutes if every line had its own name.
Tokyo probably be like: _Allow me to introduce myself_ (though some lines' names that seem to be proper nouns in English are actually common nouns in Japanese e.g. _Tozai_ -> 'east-west', _Namboku_ -> 'north-south', _Tohoku_ -> 'north-east', _Tokaido_ -> "eastern strait", _Chuo_ -> 'central', _Fukutoshin_ -> "auxiliary metropolitan downtown")
Wuppertaler here, the Schwebebahn (levitating tram/ monorailway) was build in 1901, so it's not realy a future public transport.
Hi! Check new moscow s-bahn like railroads: moscow central diameters and moscow central ring. Moscow central ring is 100year old ring railload which was used to supply factories. Since Moscow moved from indystry economy to more service economy this railroad was not used and Moscow government diceded to upgraded it and make an S-bahn system, intigrated with moscow metro. It worked great! So now Moscow government is planning to upgrade moscow railroads and create S-bahn routes across Moscow (moscow central diameters ).
The Copenhagen "translations" are obviously tweaked to be maximally bad, instead of anything useful. Like when "Pete's Explosion Road" is named after a road, which was named after the historical person Peter Bang. Many of the mistranslations does not even make sense read as literal word-by word. Very bad source.
BART is ok. Amtrak California surfliner has double decker trains except for 1 train. Service is better where they travel along the ocean. San Luis Obispo to Simi Valley is mostly on the beach and then San Juan Capistrano to San Diego is also mostly along the beach with ocean views. $72 round trip from Los Angeles Union Station to San Diego Sante Fe Station. Excellent trip along the coast. $5 day pass in San Diego blue line trolley newly updated goes to Tijuana Mexico. Passports required to cross the border. Used to need only drivers license but ruined now. Shopping mall outlets on the California side of the border. Las Americas San Ysidro.
The Czech S-Bahn network is a joke, tbh.
There's one in Brno, kind of connecting the region and imho that's more of an S-Bahn than the one in Prague.
The one in Prague is just... They just wanted to sound like a big city, so they took preexisting regional trains and simply slammed the S sticker on them. A few years ago, there was a campaign showing what an actual S-Bahn in Prague could look like and it was way different.
The main reason for this is that the two neighboring train stations in the city centre (Hlavní nádraží - the Main Train Station and Masarykovo nádraží - Masaryk's Train Station) cannot be connected. So some S-Bahns go to one of them and some S-Bahns go to the other one. In the future with the potential real S-Bahn network, they might actually connect them. But that's gonna be maybe in the 24th century or something like that.
If passenger numbers and therefore flights double while planes get 10% more efficient (made up numbers ;) ), thats still way worse than if everyone would stay on the ground, go by ship or train.
So ultimately there has to be a way to get this amount of weight in the air without burning fuels but on a different kind of energy source.
I agreed (and mentioned it) but the truth is that it's not a 0 benefit game to get more people in the air. Many of the things that bring the world together and make us more prosperous rely on it
12:10 I love this street! I am so happy that you are again in my hometown
Im not sure if that’s the Name everywhere in germany but in Karlsruhe (southwest) we call it „Straßenbahn“ which translates to „street train“. We call it that bc inside the cities the lines go like Trams. I think that’s the origin of „S“ in S-Bahn rather than Stadt Bahn, ive Never actually heard anyone say Stadt Bahn
Cool Video tho
in Brussels they have also a S network now.
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