"For most of my life I spent underground. The only entertainment was drawing, and listening to stories from my uncles. They told me a lot about outside world. But I cannot walk outside because of Him. I was scared of him. I have only 1 memory out of my entire life when he smiled. I didn't know what he want. Mostly I heard from him was grunts, or he screaming to not go outside. He refused to talk about outside world, about his past. Only thing he told to me was martial arts, incomplete short stories that was matters only to him, or repeating scary things that could happen to me if I go outside. I once called him dad to make him happy, but he screamed to never call him like that. And like that was most of our interactions. Mostly he just slept upstairs, surrounded by drugs and alchohol. I was afraid that once he will throw a bottle in my head for no reason. Once I got outside while he was asleep. It wasnt scary, I liked the blue sky, fresh air without smell of alchohol or men. But he cought me and send back. That moment I understood that he want me forever underground, like living corpse. Worst of all I realised he wanted me near him. I hated it. After this he brought a bound man and told me to kill him. I didnt want it, but he told it the only way for me to free myself. And I did it. He was honest this time and made for me a mask, and we went outside. He didnt let my hand for a moment. And we walk very little, there was a flower. He looked at it, became upset and forced me to return back, underground. One day he disapeared. Even uncles come to visit and he still didnt come back. Then came people, a lot of people I didnt know. Most of them was horrible, the hurt uncles that tried to protect me, but there were another people that helped us. As He told I met a lot bad people outside, but there were a good one. They told me about my destiny, that I can rescure the world. I didnt understand how, but I wanted it, it better that sitting underground for decades. But then He returns. He killed everyone that did good for me. I felt like in nightmare and tried to run. And got captured by man that scarred my face. That man was too strong and I couldnt resist. All I thought that this wouldnt happened if He didnt come. If He didnt kill everyone who was kind to me. But he appeared again, I was sure that this is for worse. He killed that man after letting him leave several more scars on my face, like giving me a lesson in his style. After that "saving" he still acted like I must something to Him. I run. There weve Randos army. I run to them. Randos army didnt attack Him, just asked him to leave. He knew I wanted him to leave. His friends asked him to leave. But He killed everyone that did good to Him! And killed every Rando army, including Rando, the only men of outside that was honest. He filled the ground with blood puddles, aproached to me covered in blood and arrows. He was a living dead. And after all he asked me to hug him. To understand how it feels like..."
In the post-credits cutscene of Lisa the Painful's Normal Mode if you don't take Joy, Yado talks about having a daughter named Nancy and that she's important for his plan. And in Lisa the Joyful it is kind of implied through Buddy's and Yado's interactions that Yado knows more about Buddy and how "He cannot even look her in the eyes when he threatens her." and Yado's "I birthed you. I'm your father!" that they could have some connection. Also, you can find some weird Joy Mutants worshipping a giant Trumpet on one of the Islands you missed in your Lisa the Painful playthrough, Buddy uses the Trumpet in the ending where you don't take the vaccine (at 2:20:00), and that one Joy Mutant always comes over when the Trumpet is sound (for example, at 1:13:43 where it helps Buddy) so the Trumpet is even more important than you probably thought. P.S. One of the post-credits scenes that you missed in Lisa the Joyful shows Lisa heavily manipulating Berny (Buzzo) to saw off a creature's paw and then asks him to mutilate her so that "she's not desirable to her father" (that's why her face looks like that in the title screen). Buzzo is basically his nickname because he used a Buzzsaw for a lot of his victims.
Thanks for streaming all of the official LISA games, it's been a blast from beginning to end. It was great hearing your thoughts and theories about the plot, even if I disagreed with some of them, it's always fun to hear new and different interpretations of something I hold so dear. I'll surely be there for the future fan game streams as well. In the meantime, don't forget to pull weeds from your garden and practice your horse stance :D.
"Brad was a bad father" Yes. He was. But there's an important thing to discern. Brad was *trying* to become a better person. He was wholeheartedly trying to be a better father to Buddy than Marty was to him, even if his actioms mirrored Marty's in the end. And because of that distinction, that whole scene where you fight him... It's a scene that succeeds at being heartbreaking. As awful as he ended up being, and through all of his faults, Buddy realised that Brad was trying his best. And when you look at the name of the song, it even calls back to Buzzo's question to Buddy in Painful. "Who is he to you?" At the time, Buddy answered with "I don't even know anymore..." But at that point, the answer changed. "Who is he to you?" *"He's my dad."*
I don't quite remember the story well, but what buddy did to Rando is actually vile and disgusting, It felt soooo fucking wrong dude. (CDawgVA fan, you are a legend btw, the way you helped him on the S endings run was epic)
I really liked your take on the secret ending but man, I cannot bring myself to personally enjoy the ending. I think the "scavenger hunt," while very convoluted, was fun. The conversations with Dustin, the uncles, and Berny (which you missed) were a bit weird in context, but still charming. The boss fight was also super cool! I just HATE the speech Buddy gave to Buzzo. The stuff she said about Brad was valid and a nice way to develop her character, and I do think Buzzo deserved the Verbal Bash of a life time (despite my love for his character) but it was just done in a really weird way. Like, Buddy blamed Buzzo for stuff he didn't do (causing Lisa's death and not truly loving her, both of which are factually incorrect based on his entire character) while ignoring the true villain (MARTY!!!). The supernatural stuff doesn't help either, cause I think it was way too "obvious." The stuff you mentioned with the Marty fight as well as the Joy hallucinations was well thought out and I can agree with your "half real, half hallucination" interpretation, but the Buddy speech is just... yeah it's Lisa's ghost, not much interpreting or theorizing it's just implied to straight up be her ghost. Which is especially weird when you think about how Buddy blamed Buzzo for stuff he didn't do based on the influence of Lisa's spirit, why would the actual ghost of Lisa just tell lies? And implying the secret Buzzo cutscene was also him talking to the actual ghost of Lisa, this means she did want him to do all that stuff to Brad and then changed her mind when Buddy showed up? That almost makes her seem more vindictive than she was implied to be while alive! Overall I loved your take on this and I still enjoy the secret ending, it's just that one conversation that I am passionately angry about. Also wow sorry for rambling!! Thanks for playing this series nonetheless, I love it a lot more than this comment implies and I'm so glad you played it, I'm just overly passionate ':)
You definitely did the right thing by playing the definitive edition, it's way better of a first experience. Also, can't wait to see you play the fan games!
Congrats! I'm looking forward to the fan games (and Ruina) stream. Even though I love popular titles like The Hopeful, Pointless, etc., I also love hidden gems. I believe you'll find this one to be interesting for you to play now that you've finished the main story, LISA: The Oblivious. It's a short story between the end of painful and the start of joyful, where you play as Sticky, who survives the fight with Brad and travels together with Rick after the fall of the Rando Army (but there's something [REDACTED] to this). Still, just pick anything you're interested in, as I'll still be watching anyway.
Oh yeah Berny has the highest HP in the game (excluding Demon X and Painful Buzzo, the fights that can't be won normally) he exceeds Satan by a landlside
The real villain is LISA???? LISA??!??????? Bro you were NOT COOKING!!!!! Sure Lisa is the reason Brad and Buzzo were the way they were, but not because she made them like that, it was because of how her death affected them. Sure she was a little messed up but thats because of Marty, Lisa is a victim, plain and simple. But I couldn’t blame you for thinking that, for some reason in the original version of Joyful it really tried to make Lisa a villain, I’m glad Ding-a-Ling fixed this, but in doing so it blamed Buzzo for her dying which is awful… Buzzo is way to obsess with Lisa, that is true, and is making assumptions about her that were absurd, like hurting her brother which she wouldn’t want, but he was also a kid with Lisa, he can’t be blamed for her dying, hell this feels like he’s being blamed for everything. I dunno how to feel about this all. Yado and Marty never feel blamed, they are always the cause yet they just get ignored, the main blame is passed to others, to Brad, to Buzzo, to Lisa, to Rando, yet Marty and Yado are always in the background, never treated as the main cause. Sure all of them have faults, but it always from the doings of these two, who hurt Brad and Lisa? Marty. Who made joy? Yado. Sure Buzzo was most likely the main distributer of it and helped make it, but thats from him wanting to get revenge for Lisa, it was just misguided, and he was also a user of Joy, who knows what was going on with him. Rando gets blamed for wanting peace and dies. I love Lisa, but the blame game always feels wrong and misguided, like theirs a simple answer to it. Lisa was the cause, no it was Buzzo actually! When it was Yado and Marty. Yes all of these characters have blame, absolutely, but the main blame is NEVER attributed to Marty or Yado. The closest we got was the new Marty boss fight. I dunno maybe i forgot some stuff about Buzzo or something but him being blamed for Lisa dying always bugged me.
@@frapollo94 I guess it’s just my brain thinking about the original game more, where it mostly seemed like joy hallucinations than actual spirit stuff that was shown in the definitive edition. Lisa always seems like a representation of guilt for Brad and Buzzo more than a spiritual haunting type of situation.
"For most of my life I spent underground. The only entertainment was drawing, and listening to stories from my uncles. They told me a lot about outside world. But I cannot walk outside because of Him. I was scared of him. I have only 1 memory out of my entire life when he smiled. I didn't know what he want. Mostly I heard from him was grunts, or he screaming to not go outside. He refused to talk about outside world, about his past. Only thing he told to me was martial arts, incomplete short stories that was matters only to him, or repeating scary things that could happen to me if I go outside. I once called him dad to make him happy, but he screamed to never call him like that. And like that was most of our interactions. Mostly he just slept upstairs, surrounded by drugs and alchohol. I was afraid that once he will throw a bottle in my head for no reason. Once I got outside while he was asleep. It wasnt scary, I liked the blue sky, fresh air without smell of alchohol or men. But he cought me and send back. That moment I understood that he want me forever underground, like living corpse. Worst of all I realised he wanted me near him. I hated it. After this he brought a bound man and told me to kill him. I didnt want it, but he told it the only way for me to free myself. And I did it. He was honest this time and made for me a mask, and we went outside. He didnt let my hand for a moment. And we walk very little, there was a flower. He looked at it, became upset and forced me to return back, underground. One day he disapeared. Even uncles come to visit and he still didnt come back. Then came people, a lot of people I didnt know. Most of them was horrible, the hurt uncles that tried to protect me, but there were another people that helped us. As He told I met a lot bad people outside, but there were a good one. They told me about my destiny, that I can rescure the world. I didnt understand how, but I wanted it, it better that sitting underground for decades. But then He returns. He killed everyone that did good for me. I felt like in nightmare and tried to run. And got captured by man that scarred my face. That man was too strong and I couldnt resist. All I thought that this wouldnt happened if He didnt come. If He didnt kill everyone who was kind to me. But he appeared again, I was sure that this is for worse. He killed that man after letting him leave several more scars on my face, like giving me a lesson in his style. After that "saving" he still acted like I must something to Him. I run. There weve Randos army. I run to them. Randos army didnt attack Him, just asked him to leave. He knew I wanted him to leave. His friends asked him to leave. But He killed everyone that did good to Him! And killed every Rando army, including Rando, the only men of outside that was honest. He filled the ground with blood puddles, aproached to me covered in blood and arrows. He was a living dead. And after all he asked me to hug him. To understand how it feels like..."
Where is this text from?
@@ninjunobr643 I wrote it
In the post-credits cutscene of Lisa the Painful's Normal Mode if you don't take Joy, Yado talks about having a daughter named Nancy and that she's important for his plan. And in Lisa the Joyful it is kind of implied through Buddy's and Yado's interactions that Yado knows more about Buddy and how "He cannot even look her in the eyes when he threatens her." and Yado's "I birthed you. I'm your father!" that they could have some connection.
Also, you can find some weird Joy Mutants worshipping a giant Trumpet on one of the Islands you missed in your Lisa the Painful playthrough, Buddy uses the Trumpet in the ending where you don't take the vaccine (at 2:20:00), and that one Joy Mutant always comes over when the Trumpet is sound (for example, at 1:13:43 where it helps Buddy) so the Trumpet is even more important than you probably thought.
P.S. One of the post-credits scenes that you missed in Lisa the Joyful shows Lisa heavily manipulating Berny (Buzzo) to saw off a creature's paw and then asks him to mutilate her so that "she's not desirable to her father" (that's why her face looks like that in the title screen). Buzzo is basically his nickname because he used a Buzzsaw for a lot of his victims.
Thanks for streaming all of the official LISA games, it's been a blast from beginning to end. It was great hearing your thoughts and theories about the plot, even if I disagreed with some of them, it's always fun to hear new and different interpretations of something I hold so dear. I'll surely be there for the future fan game streams as well. In the meantime, don't forget to pull weeds from your garden and practice your horse stance :D.
Hahaha thanks I appreciate that you enjoyed this, and the theory talks were one of my favourite parts
Horse stance, my beloved. Great stream yet again,Frapollo!
Thanks
"Brad was a bad father"
Yes. He was. But there's an important thing to discern. Brad was *trying* to become a better person. He was wholeheartedly trying to be a better father to Buddy than Marty was to him, even if his actioms mirrored Marty's in the end. And because of that distinction, that whole scene where you fight him... It's a scene that succeeds at being heartbreaking. As awful as he ended up being, and through all of his faults, Buddy realised that Brad was trying his best. And when you look at the name of the song, it even calls back to Buzzo's question to Buddy in Painful.
"Who is he to you?"
At the time, Buddy answered with "I don't even know anymore..."
But at that point, the answer changed.
"Who is he to you?"
*"He's my dad."*
I don't quite remember the story well, but what buddy did to Rando is actually vile and disgusting, It felt soooo fucking wrong dude.
(CDawgVA fan, you are a legend btw, the way you helped him on the S endings run was epic)
Yeah I too don't appeciate that at all!
(thanks for the support)!
I really liked your take on the secret ending but man, I cannot bring myself to personally enjoy the ending. I think the "scavenger hunt," while very convoluted, was fun. The conversations with Dustin, the uncles, and Berny (which you missed) were a bit weird in context, but still charming. The boss fight was also super cool! I just HATE the speech Buddy gave to Buzzo. The stuff she said about Brad was valid and a nice way to develop her character, and I do think Buzzo deserved the Verbal Bash of a life time (despite my love for his character) but it was just done in a really weird way. Like, Buddy blamed Buzzo for stuff he didn't do (causing Lisa's death and not truly loving her, both of which are factually incorrect based on his entire character) while ignoring the true villain (MARTY!!!). The supernatural stuff doesn't help either, cause I think it was way too "obvious." The stuff you mentioned with the Marty fight as well as the Joy hallucinations was well thought out and I can agree with your "half real, half hallucination" interpretation, but the Buddy speech is just... yeah it's Lisa's ghost, not much interpreting or theorizing it's just implied to straight up be her ghost. Which is especially weird when you think about how Buddy blamed Buzzo for stuff he didn't do based on the influence of Lisa's spirit, why would the actual ghost of Lisa just tell lies? And implying the secret Buzzo cutscene was also him talking to the actual ghost of Lisa, this means she did want him to do all that stuff to Brad and then changed her mind when Buddy showed up? That almost makes her seem more vindictive than she was implied to be while alive! Overall I loved your take on this and I still enjoy the secret ending, it's just that one conversation that I am passionately angry about. Also wow sorry for rambling!! Thanks for playing this series nonetheless, I love it a lot more than this comment implies and I'm so glad you played it, I'm just overly passionate ':)
You definitely did the right thing by playing the definitive edition, it's way better of a first experience. Also, can't wait to see you play the fan games!
Can't wait to see ya there!
Congrats! I'm looking forward to the fan games (and Ruina) stream.
Even though I love popular titles like The Hopeful, Pointless, etc., I also love hidden gems. I believe you'll find this one to be interesting for you to play now that you've finished the main story, LISA: The Oblivious. It's a short story between the end of painful and the start of joyful, where you play as Sticky, who survives the fight with Brad and travels together with Rick after the fall of the Rando Army (but there's something [REDACTED] to this).
Still, just pick anything you're interested in, as I'll still be watching anyway.
I'll keep in mind that suggestion! Thanks for the support!
YES. JOIN THE LISA FANGAME COMMUNITY. PLAY LISA THE POINTLESS SOTWS!!!! JOIN THE WAIT FOR THE MU!!!
Yes! Would be so cool to see Frap play Pointless SOTWS. It's amazingly different from other lisa games, but spirit lives on
Would be a huge W
The pointless is probably one of the games I'll play!
Oh yeah Berny has the highest HP in the game (excluding Demon X and Painful Buzzo, the fights that can't be won normally) he exceeds Satan by a landlside
I see, that's interesting!
The real villain is LISA???? LISA??!??????? Bro you were NOT COOKING!!!!! Sure Lisa is the reason Brad and Buzzo were the way they were, but not because she made them like that, it was because of how her death affected them. Sure she was a little messed up but thats because of Marty, Lisa is a victim, plain and simple. But I couldn’t blame you for thinking that, for some reason in the original version of Joyful it really tried to make Lisa a villain, I’m glad Ding-a-Ling fixed this, but in doing so it blamed Buzzo for her dying which is awful… Buzzo is way to obsess with Lisa, that is true, and is making assumptions about her that were absurd, like hurting her brother which she wouldn’t want, but he was also a kid with Lisa, he can’t be blamed for her dying, hell this feels like he’s being blamed for everything. I dunno how to feel about this all. Yado and Marty never feel blamed, they are always the cause yet they just get ignored, the main blame is passed to others, to Brad, to Buzzo, to Lisa, to Rando, yet Marty and Yado are always in the background, never treated as the main cause. Sure all of them have faults, but it always from the doings of these two, who hurt Brad and Lisa? Marty. Who made joy? Yado. Sure Buzzo was most likely the main distributer of it and helped make it, but thats from him wanting to get revenge for Lisa, it was just misguided, and he was also a user of Joy, who knows what was going on with him. Rando gets blamed for wanting peace and dies.
I love Lisa, but the blame game always feels wrong and misguided, like theirs a simple answer to it. Lisa was the cause, no it was Buzzo actually! When it was Yado and Marty.
Yes all of these characters have blame, absolutely, but the main blame is NEVER attributed to Marty or Yado. The closest we got was the new Marty boss fight.
I dunno maybe i forgot some stuff about Buzzo or something but him being blamed for Lisa dying always bugged me.
Oops this was long, sorry I’m really passionate about Lisa. I don’t even really LIKE Buzzo LMAO
Hmmm I dunno even now I still think Lisa haunting spirit thing is what caused a huge part of insane moments
@@frapollo94 I guess it’s just my brain thinking about the original game more, where it mostly seemed like joy hallucinations than actual spirit stuff that was shown in the definitive edition. Lisa always seems like a representation of guilt for Brad and Buzzo more than a spiritual haunting type of situation.
Some guy on the internet: "bRAd is A BaD fAtHEr!!1!!1!!"
Brad being a "bad" father:
god, you were the most annoying dude in that live chat
@@obliver3338 couldn't agree more