@@stuartdryer1352 sure. you can buy something but for most it's like playing a lottery.That you had good experience says nothing there is millions of idiots there with wonderful reviews for crap. and btw to buy chinese complete wheels is another dumb thing. dome generic wheel istesd of ordering custom. i sell custom and take less than 150usd per high quality custom wheel. guess what nobody buys because dumbasses rather give chinese rhe money and write thst had a good experience .
@@stuartdryer1352 sure. you can buy something but for most it's like playing a lottery.That you had good experience says nothing there is millions of idiots there with wonderful reviews for crap. and btw to buy chinese complete wheels is another dumb thing. dome generic wheel istesd of ordering custom. i sell custom and take less than 150usd per high quality custom wheel. guess what nobody buys because dumbasses rather give chinese rhe money and write thst had a good experience .
@@castortoutnu taking apart the things @tracevelo does is courages in the eyes of some of us who shy away from such endeavors out of fear of never being able to get it back together again! 😊
Done 3000km on mine. Friend of mine did 6000km. Replaced a chain at 5000ish. No complaints. Works as it should. We did get an experienced mechanic to fine tune it for us. Wasn't as smooth before he tuned it. He'd never used the app or seen the groupset. He spent 10min or so playing around with it and said it was easier than any other app.
2,000KM on my LTWOO ER9 ( the brother down to the ERX) and it’s been amazing to me. Only minor issue I had was that my shifter button would stick and always go to my easiest gear on the rear derailleur but that has seen been fixed (not sure how, perhaps software update). Shifting is so smooth, app is great. It’s only going to get better from here. Has not experienced any problems in Vancouver winter(rain heavy weather). I’ve charged the groupset twice. Currently debating putting this on my race bike to replace Ultegra r8020. My advise to make this group set great - use a shimano chain (sram flat top sticks to the rear derailleur pulleys) - use their shifting set up and individually tune each gear
I’ve put about the same distance into my eRX set. Apart from an early failure of the rear derailleur which was replaced free of charge it has been working flawlessly. Interestingly I have recently had the same issue with the up shifting. It seems to shift 3 gears with one touch on the shifter. I’ll have to have a look at the springs you mentioned. It’s actually been behaving though so don’t know why it happened. Either way I love it. Smooth, quick and the braking feels very solid. I live the feel of the grips too. They are slimmer than the shimano Ultegra so feel slicker. Enjoy the pasta! 🥖🍝
3 months using the eRX groupset in all weathers. Working faultlessly. I'm really impressed. My only niggle is, with thick gloves I sometimes inadvertently change gear :-)
I've just taken delivery on mine, have about ~70 miles on it, and have had no issues whatsoever. the ability to fine tune each sprocket is pretty awesome. One thing I haven't found or noticed is the ability to save profiles for say, different wheelsets and freewheel setups. If it is in the app, I didn't come across it. Otherwise, solid groupset, and nice to have a 3rd alternative out there for wireless shifting. Thanks for you honest reviews, between you and Joe, I was able to feel good enough to pull the trigger! 🥖🥖🥖🥖
Got my eRX delivered in november 2023 and finished the build early 2024. Put out about 1200km since then and had no issues at all. Everything was working so well, I even completely forgot to charge it after the first 100% and the battery died on a ride after about 650km with lots of climbing and therefore a decent amount of shifts. Because of the issues by Joe, Grant and yourself I was at first not very happy with my decision to place the order. Now I would for sure recommend the groupset without hesitation.
I’ve got a groupset sitting in the box in my spare room ready to go on my new build once the frame (OG Evkin CF-025) and wheels arrive. I love this channel because I spend a lot of time perusing Aliexpress for bike parts and it seems like whenever I add something to my cart for next payday you upload a video on it 😂
I want it so bad! I'll wait probably another year for the kinks to be ironed out and availabilty to improve but I'm getting it for sure! Never thought I'd be able to afford electronic shifting so soon. Even 105 Di2 costs an arm and a leg where I live. Thank you China!
@@philipsimmonds1103 I can only find the older version tho, not the newer "blue edition" that is shown at the the end of the video, since they're still rolling that one out. Although I'm eager to jump on it I much rather wait for that updated version
Luke, loved your vid on repairing the OG-Evkin. That was soo innovative and fun. Great success too. Well done. My LTWOO eRx is still running well. We travelled OS for 8 weeks recently and returned to find the I could not wake up the group set. I re charged and reset it. All good again but I fell off the bike and hurt my shoulder. Looking forward to your new OG-Evkin build!
You’re quite the bike mechanic from frame repair to electronics, very impressive! I’m seriously pondering a ER9 group set, and the timing of this review is perfect.
thanks for the long term review, Luke! I'm considering getting the ER9 and really appreciate that they improved over the first impressions which had some concerning issues.
First of all thank you very much for your review. It's very useful. It helped me understanding that's not a real point buying this group-set over the Sram Apex AXS that comes fully equipped with cranks as well. The price difference doesn't really compensate the risk of having a problematic unit. That's the main issue here. I still have the feeling that quality assurance with these products is a big question mark and a kind of a lottery.
I've installed 5 er9 and ridden 2. They're all wonderful. EDIT: 2 of them died last week for no reason. I do NOT recommend LTWOO. the warranty process to get replacement is also very frustrating.
Are you using the er9 (2x road) on gravel? I'm using the mechanical r9 shifters but with a Shimano GRX rear chain slap/drop was an issue with the non clutch LT-Woo mech. Any issues in that department with the er9?
yep you mrrs wonderful all around chinesi reviews and you never run out with dumbness. received didn't try it. ve de qualidade grscias al vendedor позже добавлю отзыа
I just installed the ER9 groupset this week. Performance has been amazing for the $350 USD sale price I paid for the groupset. I had some issues with the battery cabling, but that has more to do with the frameset I was using. Also it seems LTwoo has ironed out many of the early problems. I also used the opportunity to swap over to a 12 speed cassette, because why not? This has to be the most user friendly electronic groupset on the market. Easy to service mineral oil hydraulic braking, user replaceable batteries, cassette speed flexibility and the ability to fine tune the gearing are all phenomenal. Keep up the good work as well! 🥖🥖🥖
With all respect to Luke and his content I just interrupted playback after issue section as it's clear to me I'm not going to buy electronic derailleurs/shifters with my own money unless I'm being paid to use 'em. That said, content is very well laid out and very useful, thank you!
IF they made a cable brake version, I would buy 2 sets right now! But Wheeltop does make a cable brake version and if they make it available in states, I'll get it. Glad you are ok from your fall. Love your channel!
Just installed my egr groupset today. I was very impressed with the quality easily on par with Force or Ultegra. Only worry I have is the exposed charger, much prefer di2 charging ports.
same story as you on my end. it's been pretty flawless for the last few months after I swapped out the rear derailleur. looking forward to getting my hands on the newer version.
Luke, I really enjoy the content. Because of you I upgraded my old road bike for my son with sensah 11spd which works great. When do you think we'll start seeing L-TWOO sponsor a pro team. I really thing that's the next step to get the brand really out there and noticed. If the shifting is as good as you say it's only a matter of time. (btw, glad to hear you made it out ok after your crash)
Good news for those of us that took the plunge and bought it. In my opinion the redesigned front mech motor cover is a great improvement over the original. The rest is primarily cosmetic.
This is the content I’m here for. Gotta say though, with the price of 105 di2 dropping a tonne in the last year, L-Twoo probably needs to do something to differentiate this product from di2.
After checking the reviews on LTwoo weeks ago I bought 2 sets of the original a ER9(alum.), ERX(carbon) & just came back from another ride,I have everything fine tuned, the app is incredible, I have 10 roadbikes only these 2 are disc a Merckx San Remo 76 & a Emonda Sl6 Pro ,Im very impressed with these sets ,I just hope they come out with a rim version,I see the other chinese group Wheeltop have the rim version so Ill see ,I wanna stick with LTwoo ,if anyone wants to save lots of $$$ these sets are great & unlike Shimano u can set the app for any speed so ur not locked in to 9,10,11,12 also the brakes are crazy good,easily lock up the tires
Moustache magnifique!🎉🎉 Sad to hear of the slide out but glad to hear it was only a week off. Enjoy the thorough and comprehensive work as always, more funnies!!😊
Good video man. Rim brakes and mechanical shifting on my road bike till I die. I keep everything clean, lubed and fine tuned myself, so everything works flawlessly. Very few things that can go wrong on mechanical if properly maintained. Lots more stuff that can go wrong on electronic shifting. Even a simple battery contact will stop everything from working. Or a simple dry joint in the electronic printed circuit. Not for me thanks. To each their own 👍🏼☮️
I agree ,I do all my own work so I never had a problem but I have 10 roadbikes so I wanted to try these & for the price it was hard to pass up compared to shimano
agree on rim brakes but thinking that e-shift should be more certain. I never was happy with shifting but I have to say I never owned SRAM Red or Dura-Ace, Ultegra maybe that's why. I have Rival and 105 and never 100% happy.
Hi Luke, my erx was working faultlessly for about 3 months which with the amount of riding i do is about 1000ish miles, then after a recharge of the batteries the shifters no longer worked. I could shift gears using the app but the shifters weren't playing. I changed the coin style batteries in the shifter and tried to bind the shifters to the derailleurs. But no joy. Like you i replaced the rear derailleur with one i had on another bike i have just built and immediately everything started working as it should do. So there is definitely a problem with the rear derailleur. I am now in communication with Ltwoo to try and get this sorted and hopefully get a replacement rear derailleur under warranty.
@@YOLOSWAG420EZ Eventually got a replacement rear derailleur under warranty. Although there were a lot of emails to and thro and I had to email a video of the rear derailleur not working. They told me it was probably water ingress. The replacement has had no issues so far even in torrential rain.
I'm using a ERX groupset too. I had an issue after cleaning the bike, but after some days de rear derailleur back to work. Soon I will post a review too :) Aaaand I'm want to test the gravel electronic groupset.
Dammit, this is way more interesting than I'd hoped for. I was pretty comfortable in my mechanical bubble. 😂 Thanks, Luke! You've once again earned your 🥖🥖🥖
On our local flee market, the brand new 105 Di2 electric components are cheaper than Ltwoo right now. Thanks for your testing and video. Thanks brave Ltwoo for challenging Shimano. We can have cheap 105 right now.
Two wishes for them: 1. be able to cope with some unusual gravel/touring gearing choices e.g. 42T in the back and a tiny subcompact double in the front. 2. satellite shift buttons for aerobars
Hi Luke. I’m still on my LTWOO eRX groupset and loving it. Been flawless apart from the intermittent multiple downshifting which, after some Tweaking using the app, seems to have gone. One other thing I’ve notice though is crash mode. I think there is one. I was climbing a steep hill, was up on the pedals, changed gear and heard a loud snap. After that the whole groupset stopped working. No manner of button pressing would wake it up. The only way to get it up and running again was to limp home on one gear and attach the charging cable. All perfect again. Weird. In future I think I’ll carry with me a 9v battery and a fashion a similar magnetic charging lead to prevent it happening again. Of course I’ll be buying the rechargeable 9v battery and lead from Ali Express! I’ll let you know how I go. Love you chanel. JP
I'll still keep using mechanical groupsets as they are still significantly cheaper and they have historically been supported for longer periods (the more sustainable option) but we will see with the rollout of Shimano CUES as this may change. Keep up the good work Luke! 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
Bought the erx groupset from panda podium. Amazing experience. Only one issue the hand shifter wouldn’t bleed. Panda podium are going to replace the left hand shifter. Amazing customer service. Hopefully the new shifter turns up 🥖🥖🥖
12 months in, the shifters have lost connectivity to the mech. The gears will still change using the phone app. Replaced both batteries in the shifters but can't seem to re-pair the shifters with mech. Very disappointed as until recently this groupset was working really well.
Early adopter of erx here. At first the groupset charging light didn't flash. Battery ran low very quickly, i had to send my battery pod (expensive :/, but let's call it ocassional chinesium tax) they told me they would refund me the shipping costs, but it hasn't happened since the say they can't give me money, i guess i could ask for some brake pads, not ideal but i would eventually need them anyways. At the end it was the RD causing the problem. They sent me a replacement RD (half of the cage was aluminum lol) i swapped for the original carbon cage mainly because black paint/anodizing? falls very easily. Everything smooth since then. My only complaint is that trimming is not always perfect while in the middle of the cassette, sometimes i have to trick the groupset to use the next cog trim setting for the front derrailleur by up-shifting -> trim -> down-shifting again, maybe i am not adjusting my groupset right.
As a geek this appeals but as a practical rider I prefer the inherent simplicity of a conventional cable operated derailleur. Modern shifters are so good now, I struglle to comprehend the problem a costly amd less serviceable electronic shifter brings. Auto trim is cool I guess and elimjnates the need for understanding trimming?
I installed the product about 6 months ago and traveled 2000km. I'm not satisfied at all: I've got a SRAM 12s 10-28 cassette and a Racework 170mm 50-34 at the front. The front derailleur has a lot of difficulty going from small to large, I tried to adjust the limits from the application but if you exceed it the chain falls. The rear derailleur is not that bad but you have to spend a lot of time making micro adjustments on the gears as it is very imprecise. I wanted to try it after watching several videos but my advice is to spend a little more by purchasing a SRAM or Shimano so you can be sure of perfect functioning. Customer service is almost non-existent, they respond with messages from a bot and after a long time.
Good to know, that finally there is solid Chinese competitor to vastly expensive Shimano and SRAM systems. Do we already know which price range L2 is targeting? Cheers.
My rear derailleur on my er9 has developed a strange fault over the weekend. Mid ride it stopped working. I've un plugged it plugged it back in and charged it now it refuses to go into the 5 easiest gears. It's as if it's forgotten where it is🤷♂️
Ciao Luke!!! I'm really impressed seeing your third-person action video. Why not making a video about that? In particular about on how to mount the camera on the bike and what to use to do so (I tried with insta360 one r, with very bad results), so it would be interesting to know some advices from you!! Bye!
LTW00 product safety seems to be lacking I bought it, but it doesn't connect to my phone. I searched and it seems to be different for each phone. Phone A connects, but Phone B doesn't connect Unstable.
Tempted but I see the price on aliexpress is around £450. Apparently the customs duty is 14%. On top you need to pay 20% VAT. Anyone had any experience with the additional costs in the UK?
Problem with battery, can die at any time(and needs relacement if it happens) and has a water proofing issue. Sounds like anything but a good experience to most of us.
bonjour je possède également erx 12 vitesses mais mon soucis c'est les manettes qui ne commande pas rapidement le changement de vitesse sinon d'appuyer 2 fois pour enclencher un changement. Cela se produit après quelques secondes sans changement de vitesse comme si il se mettait en pause. Acheté en 2023 je n'ai pas eu de mise a jour . Un deuxième problème une mauvaise tension de chaine qui touche le cadre cassette en bas grand plateau j'ai également eu un problème avec les plaquettes que j'ai changé 2 fois et du coup remplacé par des plaquettes Shinano. Un pédalier tordu et cassette voilée également remboursé par la suite . Mon problème ceux sont les manettes qui se mettent en pause .
Sadly mine died today during a ride. Not even 6 month old. Rear derailleur motor turns but the derailleur is stuck in the smallest cog. Went there from the middle of the cassette by itself. Neither a reset, new shifter battery nor charging the main battery does anything. Front derailleur is working still fine...
Have you tried the 'Calibration' setting on the app? This resets whatever position the rear derailleur is in to gear 7, then allows you to shift either side of that. Can help if it has 'lost' it's position.
Yeah I did try that. No movement Together with ltwoo it was diagnosed as a gearbox failure and they will send me a new rear derailleur. Annoying but at least I will be operational soon enough.
I did my first ride, 60km battery 86% when back, weird it's double of your battery consumption. Only thing is I have to better setup the front derailleur. The in between shift goes really close to the chain
i have just finish my bike nd i mounted a ER9, it was the cheaper solution, and all the process went smooth. the most complicated part has been (or maybe "is") the fine tune of the front derailleur. i really don't know if the issue is related to my setup but it is complicated.
I'm trying to build an er9 model .. questions: What are the olive and pin you used on the hydrolic cable when building ? As there seems to be 2 standards bh90 and bh59
8:18 Hi, why this new "blue version" still not available ? i'm seeing it on their wabsite but impossible to found where to buy.. do you have any info ?
I've had mine for about a month, and I don't know if there's something wrong with it or not. The shifters don't seem to shift well under load (going up a hill) and sometimes I'll have to his the upshift button on the rear derailleur and it will do nothing. I've tried everything I can think of but can't seem to get it to work. All batteries are good and it shifts flawlessly when it works, but at other times it seems as if it goes into a sleep mode. The inability to shift going up hills is killing me though. Anyone else experience this and if so, how'd you get it resolved?
Hi, maybe someone have problem like mine with ER9 ? I tried to shift both derailleurs at the same time. Front from big to small and back vice versa. Ended up in a half shifted gear and a complete dead groupset. Has anyone had this problem before? And is there a hack to bring it back to life without attaching the charging cable?
I have the Ltwoo groupset too. But the alloy Version. No issues with water till now. But had a crash and one shifter broke. Contacted the Store and got spare parts very fast and no big payments. I rode the bike the hole last Winter in Germany. So gar only the issue with Garmin. Always at start up i got the message tha the battery is empty. But 10 Seconds later after quit the message the battery is full. And i think IT would be better to have some cover over the charging Port.
@stefank1542 is there any way to index the groupset without the app? i.e. just pressing buttons on the levers/derailleurs (if there's any) to enter and indexing mode and do it without a phone?
One of the best cycling channels on UA-cam.
reviewing chinesi shit that ain't worth buying no matter how good thr deal looks
@eXTreemator I've had good experiences (mostly) with Chinese wheels and frames. To each their own.
@@stuartdryer1352 sure. you can buy something but for most it's like playing a lottery.That you had good experience says nothing there is millions of idiots there with wonderful reviews for crap. and btw to buy chinese complete wheels is another dumb thing. dome generic wheel istesd of ordering custom. i sell custom and take less than 150usd per high quality custom wheel. guess what nobody buys because dumbasses rather give chinese rhe money and write thst had a good experience .
@@stuartdryer1352 sure. you can buy something but for most it's like playing a lottery.That you had good experience says nothing there is millions of idiots there with wonderful reviews for crap. and btw to buy chinese complete wheels is another dumb thing. dome generic wheel istesd of ordering custom. i sell custom and take less than 150usd per high quality custom wheel. guess what nobody buys because dumbasses rather give chinese rhe money and write thst had a good experience .
Glad your crash was pretty minor. I admire your courage pulling apart the electric bits and trying to (and often succeeding) fix them!
Courage?
@@castortoutnu taking apart the things @tracevelo does is courages in the eyes of some of us who shy away from such endeavors out of fear of never being able to get it back together again! 😊
@@EricStorms that or the fear of making something even worse by "repairing" it.
I am happy that they don’t just drown the whole thing in potting compound, that would make any repair essentially impossible.
@@veganpotterthevegan How can it be any worse than it not working?
Done 3000km on mine.
Friend of mine did 6000km. Replaced a chain at 5000ish. No complaints. Works as it should.
We did get an experienced mechanic to fine tune it for us. Wasn't as smooth before he tuned it. He'd never used the app or seen the groupset. He spent 10min or so playing around with it and said it was easier than any other app.
Do you think it is safe to buy the current version now? or should I wait for the upcoming version?
@everythingRICHARDIFY we received and updated rear derailleur. The product itself is good. The after sales can be iffy
@@everythingRICHARDIFY there is an upcoming version?
@@rexenph yes, the blue edition try to search it up here. you'll see a video from chinacycling
2,000KM on my LTWOO ER9 ( the brother down to the ERX) and it’s been amazing to me. Only minor issue I had was that my shifter button would stick and always go to my easiest gear on the rear derailleur but that has seen been fixed (not sure how, perhaps software update).
Shifting is so smooth, app is great. It’s only going to get better from here. Has not experienced any problems in Vancouver winter(rain heavy weather). I’ve charged the groupset twice.
Currently debating putting this on my race bike to replace Ultegra r8020.
My advise to make this group set great
- use a shimano chain (sram flat top sticks to the rear derailleur pulleys)
- use their shifting set up and individually tune each gear
only issue that it's lottery for dumb. though guaranteed to fail in difficult conditions
I have 2 groupsets at home ERX and a ER9 and 0 issues so far, absolutely love it. Ordered a third one for the gravel bike lol
Can it do 1 button shifting and handle the front chain ring by itself like di2?
I’ve put about the same distance into my eRX set. Apart from an early failure of the rear derailleur which was replaced free of charge it has been working flawlessly. Interestingly I have recently had the same issue with the up shifting. It seems to shift 3 gears with one touch on the shifter. I’ll have to have a look at the springs you mentioned. It’s actually been behaving though so don’t know why it happened. Either way I love it. Smooth, quick and the braking feels very solid. I live the feel of the grips too. They are slimmer than the shimano Ultegra so feel slicker. Enjoy the pasta! 🥖🍝
3 months using the eRX groupset in all weathers. Working faultlessly. I'm really impressed. My only niggle is, with thick gloves I sometimes inadvertently change gear :-)
I've just taken delivery on mine, have about ~70 miles on it, and have had no issues whatsoever. the ability to fine tune each sprocket is pretty awesome. One thing I haven't found or noticed is the ability to save profiles for say, different wheelsets and freewheel setups. If it is in the app, I didn't come across it. Otherwise, solid groupset, and nice to have a 3rd alternative out there for wireless shifting. Thanks for you honest reviews, between you and Joe, I was able to feel good enough to pull the trigger! 🥖🥖🥖🥖
An eGR groupset is on the way. Very excited to see how it performs
Glad you’re safe brother. Thanks for the review. Wouldn’t trust anyone else. Best wishes to you and yours. 🙏🏼
Got my eRX delivered in november 2023 and finished the build early 2024. Put out about 1200km since then and had no issues at all. Everything was working so well, I even completely forgot to charge it after the first 100% and the battery died on a ride after about 650km with lots of climbing and therefore a decent amount of shifts. Because of the issues by Joe, Grant and yourself I was at first not very happy with my decision to place the order. Now I would for sure recommend the groupset without hesitation.
Would you pick l-twoo erx over wheeltop’s eds tx?
I’ve got a groupset sitting in the box in my spare room ready to go on my new build once the frame (OG Evkin CF-025) and wheels arrive. I love this channel because I spend a lot of time perusing Aliexpress for bike parts and it seems like whenever I add something to my cart for next payday you upload a video on it 😂
me too,Im waiting for stuff from ali also,its an addiction
Wating for EDS TX. Hope i will hear it from your review bcoz you are awesome in reviewing the details.
I replaced my LTWOO eRX with EDS TX. So far much better than LTWOO.
One of the best bonus clips 🥖🥖
I’ve had my share of issues with SRAM FORCE AXS, so…. Nobodies perfect. L-TWOO seems to have figured it out, all for it.
3mths since install and everything is good and flawless.
What cassette are you using? Very curious as I have become hesitant with mixing brands in recent years.
I want it so bad! I'll wait probably another year for the kinks to be ironed out and availabilty to improve but I'm getting it for sure! Never thought I'd be able to afford electronic shifting so soon. Even 105 Di2 costs an arm and a leg where I live. Thank you China!
Buy it .. also, can get it cheaper if you buy it out of the box ..
@@philipsimmonds1103 I was looking at it, what does out of the box even mean? Surely they have to package it in a box anyways...?
@arviddh they have a fancy presentation box .. or a normal packaging box and Alloy shifters $100 off ..
@@philipsimmonds1103 I can only find the older version tho, not the newer "blue edition" that is shown at the the end of the video, since they're still rolling that one out. Although I'm eager to jump on it I much rather wait for that updated version
@seraph4581 the old version was not problematic for me .. FYI.. I paid $850 cdn .. free shipping
I have been using the MTB wireless group set for more than two years and no problems. Good contents thanks.
Luke, loved your vid on repairing the OG-Evkin. That was soo innovative and fun. Great success too. Well done. My LTWOO eRx is still running well. We travelled OS for 8 weeks recently and returned to find the I could not wake up the group set. I re charged and reset it. All good again but I fell off the bike and hurt my shoulder. Looking forward to your new OG-Evkin build!
You’re quite the bike mechanic from frame repair to electronics, very impressive! I’m seriously pondering a ER9 group set, and the timing of this review is perfect.
thanks for the long term review, Luke! I'm considering getting the ER9 and really appreciate that they improved over the first impressions which had some concerning issues.
First of all thank you very much for your review. It's very useful. It helped me understanding that's not a real point buying this group-set over the Sram Apex AXS that comes fully equipped with cranks as well. The price difference doesn't really compensate the risk of having a problematic unit. That's the main issue here. I still have the feeling that quality assurance with these products is a big question mark and a kind of a lottery.
I've installed 5 er9 and ridden 2. They're all wonderful. EDIT: 2 of them died last week for no reason. I do NOT recommend LTWOO. the warranty process to get replacement is also very frustrating.
Are you using the er9 (2x road) on gravel? I'm using the mechanical r9 shifters but with a Shimano GRX rear chain slap/drop was an issue with the non clutch LT-Woo mech. Any issues in that department with the er9?
Same here,so far flawless ,fine tune each gear is awesome
@@Bikey_McBeardface yes, but don't quote me on that, I don't have enough gravel miles on it yet to recommend it
yep you mrrs wonderful all around chinesi reviews and you never run out with dumbness. received didn't try it. ve de qualidade grscias al vendedor позже добавлю отзыа
Another great review Luke of another great product... Awesome quality and price mate👍👍👍
I just installed the ER9 groupset this week. Performance has been amazing for the $350 USD sale price I paid for the groupset. I had some issues with the battery cabling, but that has more to do with the frameset I was using. Also it seems LTwoo has ironed out many of the early problems. I also used the opportunity to swap over to a 12 speed cassette, because why not? This has to be the most user friendly electronic groupset on the market. Easy to service mineral oil hydraulic braking, user replaceable batteries, cassette speed flexibility and the ability to fine tune the gearing are all phenomenal. Keep up the good work as well! 🥖🥖🥖
Where did you get it for that price?
Just in here 12 seconds into watching the video to tell you the mustache absolutely slaps. Keep it going!
With all respect to Luke and his content I just interrupted playback after issue section as it's clear to me I'm not going to buy electronic derailleurs/shifters with my own money unless I'm being paid to use 'em. That said, content is very well laid out and very useful, thank you!
Such a good Video!!! great sum up!!
IF they made a cable brake version, I would buy 2 sets right now! But Wheeltop does make a cable brake version and if they make it available in states, I'll get it. Glad you are ok from your fall. Love your channel!
I bought 2 sets ,Im waiting to see if they come out with a rim version ,Im gonna jump on them if they do,hopefully they read these comments
thanks for sharing your experience
Just installed my egr groupset today. I was very impressed with the quality easily on par with Force or Ultegra. Only worry I have is the exposed charger, much prefer di2 charging ports.
same story as you on my end. it's been pretty flawless for the last few months after I swapped out the rear derailleur. looking forward to getting my hands on the newer version.
Absolutely love my er9!
Luke, I really enjoy the content. Because of you I upgraded my old road bike for my son with sensah 11spd which works great. When do you think we'll start seeing L-TWOO sponsor a pro team. I really thing that's the next step to get the brand really out there and noticed. If the shifting is as good as you say it's only a matter of time. (btw, glad to hear you made it out ok after your crash)
Good news for those of us that took the plunge and bought it. In my opinion the redesigned front mech motor cover is a great improvement over the original. The rest is primarily cosmetic.
This is the content I’m here for.
Gotta say though, with the price of 105 di2 dropping a tonne in the last year, L-Twoo probably needs to do something to differentiate this product from di2.
After checking the reviews on LTwoo weeks ago I bought 2 sets of the original a ER9(alum.), ERX(carbon) & just came back from another ride,I have everything fine tuned, the app is incredible, I have 10 roadbikes only these 2 are disc a Merckx San Remo 76 & a Emonda Sl6 Pro ,Im very impressed with these sets ,I just hope they come out with a rim version,I see the other chinese group Wheeltop have the rim version so Ill see ,I wanna stick with LTwoo ,if anyone wants to save lots of $$$ these sets are great & unlike Shimano u can set the app for any speed so ur not locked in to 9,10,11,12 also the brakes are crazy good,easily lock up the tires
Impressive update good to see the issues have been resolved.. still mechanical for me 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍
I praise you for having the patience for this unfinished crap! The lack of reliability and unknowns…. Would drive me mad. Need stuff to work!
Because it's not immune to crash damage?
Moustache magnifique!🎉🎉 Sad to hear of the slide out but glad to hear it was only a week off. Enjoy the thorough and comprehensive work as always, more funnies!!😊
I love the eRX. 8 months. I run 11 speed now to match my other bike. Cheaper chains and can share wheels.
Good video man. Rim brakes and mechanical shifting on my road bike till I die. I keep everything clean, lubed and fine tuned myself, so everything works flawlessly. Very few things that can go wrong on mechanical if properly maintained. Lots more stuff that can go wrong on electronic shifting. Even a simple battery contact will stop everything from working. Or a simple dry joint in the electronic printed circuit. Not for me thanks. To each their own 👍🏼☮️
I agree ,I do all my own work so I never had a problem but I have 10 roadbikes so I wanted to try these & for the price it was hard to pass up compared to shimano
agree on rim brakes but thinking that e-shift should be more certain. I never was happy with shifting but I have to say I never owned SRAM Red or Dura-Ace, Ultegra maybe that's why. I have Rival and 105 and never 100% happy.
Looking forward to seeing the Blue Edition improvements 🥖
Love the content, digging the stache.
Hi Luke, my erx was working faultlessly for about 3 months which with the amount of riding i do is about 1000ish miles, then after a recharge of the batteries the shifters no longer worked. I could shift gears using the app but the shifters weren't playing. I changed the coin style batteries in the shifter and tried to bind the shifters to the derailleurs. But no joy. Like you i replaced the rear derailleur with one i had on another bike i have just built and immediately everything started working as it should do. So there is definitely a problem with the rear derailleur. I am now in communication with Ltwoo to try and get this sorted and hopefully get a replacement rear derailleur under warranty.
I would love an update to this. Main worry I have is customer support/replacement stuff.
@@arviddh Still having problems with communication with Ltwoo.
@@timjames4562 thinking of getting some Chinese groupsets, how did your refunding go?
@@YOLOSWAG420EZ Eventually got a replacement rear derailleur under warranty. Although there were a lot of emails to and thro and I had to email a video of the rear derailleur not working. They told me it was probably water ingress. The replacement has had no issues so far even in torrential rain.
I'm using a ERX groupset too.
I had an issue after cleaning the bike, but after some days de rear derailleur back to work.
Soon I will post a review too :)
Aaaand I'm want to test the gravel electronic groupset.
Dammit, this is way more interesting than I'd hoped for. I was pretty comfortable in my mechanical bubble. 😂
Thanks, Luke! You've once again earned your 🥖🥖🥖
Very good review
On our local flee market, the brand new 105 Di2 electric components are cheaper than Ltwoo right now.
Thanks for your testing and video. Thanks brave Ltwoo for challenging Shimano. We can have cheap 105 right now.
I've just put the ERX on a gravel frame as I'll be primarily riding on the road and it's been a dream! I just need two more for some other builds.
Two wishes for them:
1. be able to cope with some unusual gravel/touring gearing choices e.g. 42T in the back and a tiny subcompact double in the front.
2. satellite shift buttons for aerobars
Compré el grupo LTWOO R9 gracias a tus videos. Siempre llego tarde a las tendencias jajaja
Thanks for the update, interested to see how the new grp works out.
I would love to see a mainstream brand feature this as a bundled group set.
Thank you for another great video.
I hope you can release a video of the blue edition...
Hi Luke. I’m still on my LTWOO eRX groupset and loving it. Been flawless apart from the intermittent multiple downshifting which, after some Tweaking using the app, seems to have gone. One other thing I’ve notice though is crash mode. I think there is one. I was climbing a steep hill, was up on the pedals, changed gear and heard a loud snap. After that the whole groupset stopped working. No manner of button pressing would wake it up. The only way to get it up and running again was to limp home on one gear and attach the charging cable. All perfect again. Weird. In future I think I’ll carry with me a 9v battery and a fashion a similar magnetic charging lead to prevent it happening again. Of course I’ll be buying the rechargeable 9v battery and lead from Ali Express! I’ll let you know how I go. Love you chanel. JP
Your chanel! 🤭
I'll still keep using mechanical groupsets as they are still significantly cheaper and they have historically been supported for longer periods (the more sustainable option) but we will see with the rollout of Shimano CUES as this may change. Keep up the good work Luke! 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
Isn’t Cues already out? Or are they planning an electronic version?
@@lbgstzockt8493CUES is Shimano's budget mechanical groupset. No plans for an electronic groupset yet. Not sure how it will be supported long term.
Looking forward to the blue edition build. On the short list for a winter build later in the year. Hopefully out in the UK by then.
Not likely...
Bought the erx groupset from panda podium. Amazing experience. Only one issue the hand shifter wouldn’t bleed. Panda podium are going to replace the left hand shifter. Amazing customer service. Hopefully the new shifter turns up 🥖🥖🥖
Is there any way to do the indexing without the need of using the app but relying on physical buttons only?
Oh to be a 3d rendered cheetah from a chinese bike component manufacturer on the Serengeti. I could only dream.
just built a mechanical 11sp Tri bike for now as im waiting for ltwoo or wheeltop to release electronic tri satellite shifter ver 🙏
Ahh that would be awesome ,the cherry on top
12 months in, the shifters have lost connectivity to the mech. The gears will still change using the phone app. Replaced both batteries in the shifters but can't seem to re-pair the shifters with mech. Very disappointed as until recently this groupset was working really well.
Yes finally!!!!!
Early adopter of erx here. At first the groupset charging light didn't flash. Battery ran low very quickly, i had to send my battery pod (expensive :/, but let's call it ocassional chinesium tax) they told me they would refund me the shipping costs, but it hasn't happened since the say they can't give me money, i guess i could ask for some brake pads, not ideal but i would eventually need them anyways. At the end it was the RD causing the problem. They sent me a replacement RD (half of the cage was aluminum lol) i swapped for the original carbon cage mainly because black paint/anodizing? falls very easily. Everything smooth since then. My only complaint is that trimming is not always perfect while in the middle of the cassette, sometimes i have to trick the groupset to use the next cog trim setting for the front derrailleur by up-shifting -> trim -> down-shifting again, maybe i am not adjusting my groupset right.
from pandapodium: "The “Blue Edition” won’t be available til the second half of 2024."
I was wondering how to make sure you'd get the Blue edition... thanks for the date info.
I prefer the look of the ltwoo comoared to the wheeltop but still no sign of ltwoo supoorting rim brakes on erx 😢
Would you do also for wheeltop?
As a geek this appeals but as a practical rider I prefer the inherent simplicity of a conventional cable operated derailleur. Modern shifters are so good now, I struglle to comprehend the problem a costly amd less serviceable electronic shifter brings. Auto trim is cool I guess and elimjnates the need for understanding trimming?
I installed the product about 6 months ago and traveled 2000km.
I'm not satisfied at all: I've got a SRAM 12s 10-28 cassette and a Racework 170mm 50-34 at the front.
The front derailleur has a lot of difficulty going from small to large, I tried to adjust the limits from the application but if you exceed it the chain falls.
The rear derailleur is not that bad but you have to spend a lot of time making micro adjustments on the gears as it is very imprecise.
I wanted to try it after watching several videos but my advice is to spend a little more by purchasing a SRAM or Shimano so you can be sure of perfect functioning.
Customer service is almost non-existent, they respond with messages from a bot and after a long time.
Good to know, that finally there is solid Chinese competitor to vastly expensive Shimano and SRAM systems. Do we already know which price range L2 is targeting? Cheers.
My rear derailleur on my er9 has developed a strange fault over the weekend. Mid ride it stopped working. I've un plugged it plugged it back in and charged it now it refuses to go into the 5 easiest gears. It's as if it's forgotten where it is🤷♂️
I think I know how to fix this, drop me an email, and I'll give you a hand
@@TraceVelo thanks I will be InTouch
go into the app & hit reset
Luke is Our wallet hero and save the day❤
Bought erx last night, sent back to seller after the FD dead this morning 😅
Ciao Luke!!! I'm really impressed seeing your third-person action video. Why not making a video about that? In particular about on how to mount the camera on the bike and what to use to do so (I tried with insta360 one r, with very bad results), so it would be interesting to know some advices from you!! Bye!
LTW00 product safety seems to be lacking
I bought it, but it doesn't connect to my phone.
I searched and it seems to be different for each phone. Phone A connects, but Phone B doesn't connect
Unstable.
Tempted but I see the price on aliexpress is around £450. Apparently the customs duty is 14%. On top you need to pay 20% VAT. Anyone had any experience with the additional costs in the UK?
Problem with battery, can die at any time(and needs relacement if it happens) and has a water proofing issue. Sounds like anything but a good experience to most of us.
Thank you Luke! Do someone know if these shirfers will work with shimano calipers?
Yes ,that what I used
@@joehiatt1992 thanks
bonjour je possède également erx 12 vitesses mais mon soucis c'est les manettes qui ne commande pas rapidement le changement de vitesse sinon d'appuyer 2 fois pour enclencher un changement. Cela se produit après quelques secondes sans changement de vitesse comme si il se mettait en pause. Acheté en 2023 je n'ai pas eu de mise a jour . Un deuxième problème une mauvaise tension de chaine qui touche le cadre cassette en bas grand plateau j'ai également eu un problème avec les plaquettes que j'ai changé 2 fois et du coup remplacé par des plaquettes Shinano. Un pédalier tordu et cassette voilée également remboursé par la suite . Mon problème ceux sont les manettes qui se mettent en pause .
Holy shit i have never been this early
BAGUETTES FOR YOU 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
me neither! bloody miracle because i love the fella
TWSS!
然而在国内依然要等挺长时间才有大量现货可以买到，但是据车店老板说目前已经有品牌整车装新版套件了
Sadly mine died today during a ride. Not even 6 month old. Rear derailleur motor turns but the derailleur is stuck in the smallest cog. Went there from the middle of the cassette by itself. Neither a reset, new shifter battery nor charging the main battery does anything. Front derailleur is working still fine...
Have you tried the 'Calibration' setting on the app? This resets whatever position the rear derailleur is in to gear 7, then allows you to shift either side of that. Can help if it has 'lost' it's position.
Yeah I did try that. No movement
Together with ltwoo it was diagnosed as a gearbox failure and they will send me a new rear derailleur. Annoying but at least I will be operational soon enough.
I can wait for the tx
I did my first ride, 60km battery 86% when back, weird it's double of your battery consumption. Only thing is I have to better setup the front derailleur. The in between shift goes really close to the chain
i have just finish my bike nd i mounted a ER9, it was the cheaper solution, and all the process went smooth. the most complicated part has been (or maybe "is") the fine tune of the front derailleur. i really don't know if the issue is related to my setup but it is complicated.
Bonus clips was one fine 🥖
Hi just bought a ltwoo gr7 Hydraulic 1x10 group set but what brake fluid should I be using. 👍
I'm trying to build an er9 model .. questions: What are the olive and pin you used on the hydrolic cable when building ? As there seems to be 2 standards bh90 and bh59
GREAT question, it's all bh59. Bh90 is the newer shimnao standard with smaller diameter brake hose
@TraceVelo Great, so I should use the bh59 on er9 and erx?
@@FreddeeLewisYep, correct BH59!
@FreddeeLewis Although it does come with enough brake hose and 2x barbs and olives out of the box, but it's good to have spares!
thank you
8:18 Hi, why this new "blue version" still not available ? i'm seeing it on their wabsite but impossible to found where to buy.. do you have any info ?
Any chance you could show the dismantling of the shifter? I accidentally overtightened my brake tension screw and it came out 😢
hello where can we buy new ltwoo blue edition I couldn't find it. the one is not found why?
I've had mine for about a month, and I don't know if there's something wrong with it or not. The shifters don't seem to shift well under load (going up a hill) and sometimes I'll have to his the upshift button on the rear derailleur and it will do nothing. I've tried everything I can think of but can't seem to get it to work. All batteries are good and it shifts flawlessly when it works, but at other times it seems as if it goes into a sleep mode. The inability to shift going up hills is killing me though. Anyone else experience this and if so, how'd you get it resolved?
How on earth is it possible that Luke hasn't reviewed the Mangene crank spider powermeter yet, he could fit it to any of his existing carbon cranks...
Люк как всегда молодец!
Hi, maybe someone have problem like mine with ER9 ? I tried to shift both derailleurs at the same time.
Front from big to small and back vice versa. Ended up in a half shifted gear and a complete dead groupset.
Has anyone had this problem before? And is there a hack to bring it back to life without attaching the charging cable?
I have the Ltwoo groupset too. But the alloy Version.
No issues with water till now.
But had a crash and one shifter broke.
Contacted the Store and got spare parts very fast and no big payments.
I rode the bike the hole last Winter in Germany.
So gar only the issue with Garmin.
Always at start up i got the message tha the battery is empty. But 10 Seconds later after quit the message the battery is full.
And i think IT would be better to have some cover over the charging Port.
@stefank1542 is there any way to index the groupset without the app? i.e. just pressing buttons on the levers/derailleurs (if there's any) to enter and indexing mode and do it without a phone?
@@mtbiker8989 You need a phone and the app to make all the adjustments at the front and rear derailleur. W/O app you can do nothing like I know.
So the buttons are vulnerable, got it.
I would consider this if I could have it with post-mount calipers.