The JRWX 132 is a Johnson Rail Services AlcoS2 built in July 1946. Very nice first generation diesel switcher locomotive. It would be great to see it restored to running condition again.
@@ZVilleVideos JRWX 94 is listed as an ALCO (American Locomotive Company) RS-1 road switcher originally built in 1951 and is rated as producing 1,000 horsepower. These two Alco locomotives are rare and they do NOT appear abandoned, more like stored in serviceable condition for future use or sale. Abandoned units would probably have been heavily vandalized, glass broken, horns stolen, gauges broken or stolen ... the other locomotives HAVE been vandalized with holes shot in the cab glass, horns missing or removed for use in other locomotives and probably not usable except as sources for repair parts.
The trucks have roller bearings on both good locomotives, so these can work and be moved in interchange service. The Alco, at least as originally supplied, had friction journals. These were blocks of bronze or brass that the axles rode on, lubricated by oily packing in the journal 'box' at the end of the axle. Friction bearings have since been outlawed by the class one railroads and they will not move locomotives or cars so equipped. This is a reason many locomotives appear abandoned. They may actually run, but they can't be moved. It is possible to refit the older machinery with the roller bearings, but it is not cheap.
@@MsCriticalthinker201 Technically correct, but a waiver can be issued by both the FRA and the railroad to move friction bearing equipment, it isn't often give, but it has happened.
Hi from Australia, my maternal grandfather { I am 79 years old} was a steam engine driver and I love looking at all old trains. Thank you for posting, the young lady sure brightens up the old Loco's.
Greetings Z Ville. Excellent video. It made me appreciate Live Trains even more, including model trains in Ho scale. Love the scenery, with the trees along the tracks, with the grass and gravel. Thanks for posting this.
The old engines had an interesting past from Johnson. Thr girl with the golden hair was so funny and lovely. Loved her dress and she made it very interesting as well. Great Video mister. A real fun time for me. Hugs to the lady as she was a lovely woman. Ray C Florida.
They couldnt have been there too long, the airhorns were still mounted on the locomotives. That is the first thing to dissappear along with the bell and the builders plates on the frame. Number plates are a popular souvenir also.
The empty room on the blue locomotive was where it originally housed the steam generator, which was needed for pulling passenger cars. When this locomotive was new, most short-distance passenger routes (of which there WERE many..) used old steam-era coaches. All the heat was from steam, so when a diesel was bought to replace the old steam locomotive (usually a smaller locomotive left over from the era of 1900-1918), it needed a steam generator. As short-distance routes disappeared during the 1950's and early 1960's, most of these steam generators were removed.
They could be left in place as ballast to increase tractive effort, but under ICC rules needed to be declared dead and labeled as such. New York Central poured concrete into retired steam generators to increase the ballast and TE.
132 and the locomotive behind it used to switch the CMC mill at Caycey South Carolina, in early 2020 both were replaced by some EMDs. lasr shot I got of those two were by the yard office, glad to see they are still around
Nice video. Thanks for sharing. This is Docheno. The tracks you crossed aren't dead. They are operated by the shortline Pickens Railroad. Although they aren't as busy today, these tracks were part of the former Southern Railway V Line which was once a major line between Greenville and Columbia.
Cool - thanks for that info! - Yeah - We are actually near the Pickens Railroad main office and were going to see if they have anything I can film there - will post if we find anything! Thanks - Zzzzzzz
JRWX 132 appears to be an ALCO S2 diesel switcher. 94 is an ALCO RS-1 "Road Switcher". Road switchers are diesel locomotives that have great visibility in both directions, and thus are designed so they can be used on a freight train or just moving cars around in the yard. That "room" would have housed a boiler for steam heating in coaches. The chains leading to those brake cylinders are for the handbrake (the assembly with the wheel by the front at 2:34). These locomotives all use air brakes. The standard north american railroad airbrake is fully applied when there is 0 air in the system. If a locomotive or car sits for a long time without being chained down or any of that, air seeps in to the system and the brakes realease. 121 and the red + white locomotives are both EMD SW1 switchers, and were both built sometime between December 1938 and November 1953, meaning the pair might just be older than Union Pacific's "Big Boy" locomotive. The locomotive next to the 2 appears to be of the GE (yes the one that builds refridgerators and washing machines) 'U Boat' locomotives. That 'Cart' at 10:53 is a Blomberg B type diesel locomotive truck, probably off some sort of EMD GP series.
I saw this style loco when I was a kid. My uncle was a brakeman on the old C&O at the Smith Yard in Clifton Forge,Va.in the 70's. That's where I got my love of trains as he'd take this impressionable little kid right out into the yard and in to the loco's and cabooses. Was such a cool time.
The reason why the fuel tank is relatively small is because this isn't a mainline service locomotive. It's basically a yard switcher... used to move cars around in a yard and for shortline./spur duty.
The hose between the two switcher engines is air supply for braking the switchs as you called the are air valses to operate said brakes. The so called rail cart with the vines all over it is called a truck belonging to one end of a locomotive two sets of wheels with a traction electric motor 1 to each set of wheels. One set would be mounted to either side of the leaf springs that pointed out. Those locomotives are some where in the neighborhood of 50 + years old worth the effort to restore to original condition fore sure not, not scrap that would be a sinn. comment by Kenneth L Boren.... great vid!
They were certainly on someone's property, so yes they were probably tresspassing. The PICK boxcar doesn't look active. Probably sold years ago for storage
The first unit was an ALCO, probably S-1 or S-2 based on the trucks, but it's probably a repowered rebuild based on the cab. The blue one is a ALCO RS-1...built in the 40's like the first one... The other ones are two EMD SW-1's 600up built probably late 40's The last was a GE...maybe a B23-7? The big thing in the last boxcar was a air compressor... And the over grown truck set was from an EMD GP locomotive,, they were used on many models from the 40's to now... In railroad terms this is a Dead Line...Basically storage for broken locks and part sources...not actually abandoned, though it might seem like it...
That truck with the tree growing out of it and the leaf springs is a powered, or once powered truck for a locomotive. No hydraulic lines on locomotive that was the air line connection for the air brakes between locomotives in that case but between all cars in the train. FYI
Great memories come to mind seeing these little work horses in original condition. Old and faded yes, but graffiti free is a beautiful look. The sounds they made while working is all that's missing.
the Blue locomotive looks like it might be an ALCO RS1. The red locomotive is an ALCO S2 the control stand is obviously new as it is not original to this engine. In fact I question as to if the original 8 cylinder ALCO diesel engine is even under the hood after seeing the digital Detroit Diesal screen on the cab control stand. This may have also had a Detroit Diesal truck engine installed.
#132 is an Also S2 that was built in July of 1946. Johnson Rail Services is the owner. They are not abandoned. Maybe some day they will be in a museum.
There is some fresh grease on the trucks at 1:32, I'll say they are still in service possibly by farmers, short line, or power plant. As for the rest, a lot of work is needed to preserve them.
I saw that a few have had the friction bearing replaced with roller bearings so the timeline for sitting on the siding is not very long. 2/4/2020 was the last date for a picture of both the 132 and the 94 running.
I would like to know the exact location of these trains, so I could see them for myself. Surprised to see a CSX Maintenance of Way (MoW) U18B sitting there.
as a railfan (train person) this is really cool! those are some rare locomotives that units are hard to find! it looks like the orange one is a ge u18b. from the looks of it its a parts source for the railroad because they run engines like the 9501 but that one is out of service. the first unit you saw was actually built in the 1940s but jrwx rebuilt it. I think all these locomotives are a parts source for the railroad. clearly though they don't care about them. as long as they got their part their good to go.
Those locomotives look like they are sitting ideal, because if you look closely at the air lines between both of the locomotive, you can see that they have been replaced
The orange U18b was built for the seaboard Coast Line in October 1974 and it eventually became CSX owned it was painted in orange for maintenance of way service and was used for that job for the rest of its operating career it was later sold to the Pickens Railway as a parts locomotive due to the Pickens using many U18b’s in revenue service which If I remember correctly it is the line that runs next to the old locomotives
Looks like you are in a old small switching yard that has become a ideal yard for what ever railroad that Owen's these will come back for them when they are ready to repair and use them.
That looks like one of the rear trucks from the caboose they have side play to them so it kind of swayed back and forth side to side gave it a smoother ride
I never worked for the railroad, but I tried to get hired by Chessie System, back in the 80's, and aced there employment test. But failed the physical because of my eyesight (so they claimed)! But I've been a member of the PM1225 groups since 1977. Had a cab ride in it in 1991, for contributing to the "super heater fund" then, to rebuild it. My Grandpa was a gandy dancer for the PRR in the early 1920's, and I've always been a model railroader!
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They both had a McIntosh&Seymour 539 prime mover. I was a student engineer for Penn Central NJ Div. and operated both types a lot. Indestructible machines!
@@gordonvincent731 True, but by the time the two road units in comment were built ALCO had full operating control of McIntosh and Seymour, having purchased the company during the 1940's, a bit before these units were built.
No hydraulics but it's all air. But that first cab you were in was the most odd control stand i've ever seen. I've wired many locomotives and never have seen anything like it
Csx 9501 is originally Seaboard Coast Line Railroad 379 a General Electric company U18B commonly known as baby boats these were bought to replace the aging RS3 locomotives that the S. C. L. had. The most common users of the U18B were the Seaboard Coast Line and the Maine Central Railroads. CSX 9501 former S.C.L. 379 spent a lot of time in the Tampa Bay area and should be in Gulf Coast railroad Museum that is in the Tampa Bay area
Train brakes are set by letting the air out and released by putting the air back in. That way if the train comes apart or the air hose blows, all the air is gone and the brakes go into emergency and will stop.
Those are first generation alco diesels at least over 80 years old..... The other one not in such good shape was a Switzer... And that big one was a u33 b. or c. not sure otherwise known as a U-boat.... Also first generation... Unless you've already seen it. Just Look for a video called first generation diesels a search for the survivors......
Hi from Green Bay!! The 2 smaller switch engines that have the so called tool box in front of the radiator, are called the "SW-1 Class", by the Electro-Motive-"Corporation" in La Grange, Illinois, West of Chicago, in the late 1939 era, as one of the first successful mass produced Diesel locomotives, with 600 H.P., and 4 traction motors 1 on each axle, and the short wheelbase let them go around the sharp curves in factories, and popular for rail museums as unique engines for short excursions. The SW-1 was wide-spread across the usa and Canada. But by 1939 E.M.C. was merged into General Motors, and became the Electro-Motive-"DIVISION" of G.M. and became the world leader of diesel builders with many different export models, for the past 85 years, and just a few years ago in the 2000s era, E.M.D. was merged into Caterpillar and Progressive rail, and build the newest heavy and powerful S.D.-70-A.C.E. for America's Transcontinental, and Pan-American freight trains. Currently the small sw1's are about 85 years old, and thus in about 15 years will also be 100 Years Old. Thus, it would be really super cool to get them repaired, and in operation for their 💯 th Anniversary!! Hooray!! GOD BLESS THE U .S.A. AND ALL OF OUR ALLIES!! IN THE HOLY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!! GLORY ALLELUIA!!!!! AMEN!!!!! FRI, JULY 15, 2022, A.D. BY: STEVEN SOLWAY, GREEN BAY WISCONSIN, U.S.A.! GO PACKERS!!!!! P.S:. I also want those 2 SW-1 Diesels for my new excursion train in Green Bay.
I am surprised that you have not been contacted by a special agent for the railroad or the local Sheriff. I worked for the Santa Fe Railway for 20 years and they paid people to keep an eye on their property. If you would get hurt, who pays?
@@ZVilleVideos Railroad property by Federal Law is private property and signs are not needed. I am sure if you slipped and fell and was severely hurt, that your insurance company would know who to contact and if you did not have written permission and then there could be other issues. Now, if the track was abandoned, there are other issues. Under Federal Law, if a Railroad Company abandons a section of rail line and a farmer starts farming the land, the Railroad can come back in 20 years and re-open the line. There have been organizations that wanted to create rail-trails for public use and it took legislation to accomplish the formation of a rail trail just so there could be some understanding that the Railroad could not come back and eliminate the rail trail.
@@f.puttroff4470 The laws are complicated and are not always the same. If a railroad abandons a track, the likilihood they could reclaimit is minimal at best. Once abandoned, the railroad gives up all rights to that land. They can sell it to whomever they want. There are scenarios where raillines are railbanked, but that is usually done by the state and not a railroad itself.
I’ll bet that if you put a fresh set of batteries in one of the engines they would start right up. Or maybe that first red one might if you had the key.
Not that simple. You have to purge any water(rain) from the cylinders before starting. Also they don't use a key to start the diesel engine.. It's all buttons which have to be pulled out. 1= Battery Field 2= Fuel pump. Then you push the starter button. To start a GM/ EMD diesel locomotive that hasn’t been started, you 1=check the oil in the crank case 2= check engine cooling water 3= open condensation valves on engine block 4=insert steel bar in flywheel and pull down(“Barring over”) any water on top of the piston will be expelled through those condensation valves 5= pull out battery field switch(Turns power on} 6= push starter button to “bump” engine over one revolution. 7= close condensation valves(AKA compression releases) 8= pull out fuel pump switch 9= Pull or push”Lay Shaft”(hand throttle){requires another employee) 10= When fuel pressure and return fuel press gauges read 15 PSI Push and hold starter button until engine starts 11= hold onto layshaft lever until engine smooths out 12= wait till water temp is 150 degrees To get locomotive to move,the pneumatic control switch must be pulled out. The controls are (except for the brakes) worked by an electric air servo(PC) These GM/EMD locomotives are two cycles(You do not mix oil with the diesel fuel) and have 567 Cubic inch displacement per cylinder. The Alco’s are 4 stroke.
@@strobx1 Close but not all correct. One revolution is not enough if you use the batteries to bump it over to clear any condensation. No need to bar it over as that is a waste. And all Diesel engines are 4-cycle although not all engines are 4-stroke. Intake, Compression, Power, Exhaust. The difference is that a 2-stroke does it for every revolution of the engine while a 4-stroke does it for every 2 revolutions of the engine.
@@gravelydon7072 The intake & exhaust are in the scavenging stroke which combines two of the strokes. The compression starts after the piston clears the the scavenging ports. When the piston reaches TDC, the fuel is ignited and the "Power Stroke: happens, But that is only 1/2 the throw until the scavenging ports are uncovered. The 4 stroke is intake compression, power and exhaust. So there are 4 movements to complete the cycle. The barring over is what we did because the engine sat for a time. If it has been run, then you don't have to bar it over or bump it with the condensation cocks open. The whole idea is to eliminate any water from condensation that may have gotten into the cylinder and on top of the piston. The water will turn to steam and could hydrolock the engine damaging it. If you have all the condensation cocks open, then you could eliminate barring it over. But, that is what the railroad locomotive mechanic told us. The scavenging is aided by a roots blower on the end of the banks of cylinders in a GM/EMD. Where as the roots blower is located on the top of the engine in a Detroit. A two stroke diesel will not run without the roots scavenging blower. This is known as "Normally Aspirated with a roots blower". It is not a supercharger. It might give 5 PSI of boost. But the idea here is to move volume of air instead of pressure. The exhaust flows out of two exhaust valves on top of the engine which is worked off a cam shaft. When the scavenging ports are uncovered, those two valves open. When the ports are covered, they close. Also there are three rocker arms per cylinder. The center is the fuel injector and the outer two are exhaust. Because the power stroke part is 1/2 the throw, it has no bottom end and so must run at a higher RPM in order to get in the power band. Unlike the 4 stroke which has power on the full throw of the power stroke. But the two stroker will rev up faster. Now a turbocharger does both scavenging and boost so roots blowers are largely obsolete
@@strobx1 I would suggest that you go take a Diesel engineering course. You have a number of things still wrong. Cycles and strokes are two different things. Cycles are always 4 as named while strokes can be two or four in almost all Diesels and spark ignition engines. I say almost as there are hit and miss gas engines that do not use every stroke for an operation. Many of the strokes can just be an idle stroke. Not sure if any Diesels were ever built that way but they could be. As for Diesels, I have operated and maintained both two and four stroke engines. And gasoline of both types also. Detroit Diesel certified on the 71 series engines. A 2 stroke Diesel does not have to have a blower at all. Same with a two stroke gasoline engine. A single cylinder Diesel can operate without any type blower. And if you built one correctly, so could one which had more than one cylinder. I have a 3 cylinder gasoline engine downstairs that is a 2-stroke engine and it has no blower either. As for baring over the engine, you only need to open the cocks to allow any water to escape while you use the starter to turn it over. Been there and done that many times on both FM and EMD engines. The FM engines in our case were air starts instead of using any batteries. While it was a good idea to do it on an ALCo engine, it wasn't mandatory unless you knew you had a water jacket leak. There is no way to do it on a Detroit Diesel at all. And have you ever seen and operated a two-stroke Radial Diesel, I have.
@@b3stanga697 Thank you! I always enjoy being able to find video locations on Google maps. The two Alcos are in the satellite view which is from 2022, but if you zoom in to the street view (from 2019) they are not there.
If you like Google maps, go to the intersection of Lamar Mitchell Road and Blue Ridge Ave. in Belton, SC and you will see a derailment that happened to be caught on the satellite image. I found it looking for these locomotives.
And the handles on the train locomotives and hooked up to the other train locomotives are air hoses and glad hands as well and when the trains are moving there breaks are the only thing that works and dynamic breaks fans as well
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Hey can you provide a city and cross streets that you found these on please?
@@PDVS77 Somewhere outside Belton SC -
The JRWX 132 is a Johnson Rail Services AlcoS2 built in July 1946. Very nice first generation diesel switcher locomotive. It would be great to see it restored to running condition again.
WOW - that is from 1946! Hope someone can restore those bad boys!
@@ZVilleVideos JRWX 94 is listed as an ALCO (American Locomotive Company) RS-1 road switcher originally built in 1951 and is rated as producing 1,000 horsepower.
These two Alco locomotives are rare and they do NOT appear abandoned, more like stored in serviceable condition for future use or sale. Abandoned units would probably have been heavily vandalized, glass broken, horns stolen, gauges broken or stolen ... the other locomotives HAVE been vandalized with holes shot in the cab glass, horns missing or removed for use in other locomotives and probably not usable except as sources for repair parts.
The trucks have roller bearings on both good locomotives, so these can work and be moved in interchange service.
The Alco, at least as originally supplied, had friction journals. These were blocks of bronze or brass that the axles rode on, lubricated by oily packing in the journal 'box' at the end of the axle. Friction bearings have since been outlawed by the class one railroads and they will not move locomotives or cars so equipped. This is a reason many locomotives appear abandoned. They may actually run, but they can't be moved. It is possible to refit the older machinery with the roller bearings, but it is not cheap.
@@MsCriticalthinker201 Technically correct, but a waiver can be issued by both the FRA and the railroad to move friction bearing equipment, it isn't often give, but it has happened.
@@ZVilleVideos what is the location off the rail yard?
Great find❤ cool inside look.
Hi from Australia, my maternal grandfather { I am 79 years old} was a steam engine driver and I love looking at all old trains. Thank you for posting, the young lady sure brightens up the old Loco's.
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Greetings Z Ville. Excellent video. It made me appreciate Live Trains even more, including model trains in Ho scale. Love the scenery, with the trees along the tracks, with the grass and gravel. Thanks for posting this.
Thanks - Cool find - always on the look out for stuff like this - look for more coming soon!!
The old engines had an interesting past from Johnson. Thr girl with the golden hair was so funny and lovely. Loved her dress and she made it very interesting as well. Great Video mister. A real fun time for me. Hugs to the lady as she was a lovely woman. Ray C Florida.
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Very Cool , thank y’all…..
Thanks airing and sharing the outstanding video with magnificent albeit ' forgotten ' Locomotives. Endeavors are prominent. Bliss
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They couldnt have been there too long, the airhorns were still mounted on the locomotives. That is the first thing to dissappear along with the bell and the builders plates on the frame.
Number plates are a popular souvenir also.
Yeah - probably right - Bummer about all the damage from vandalism -
The empty room on the blue locomotive was where it originally housed the steam generator, which was needed for pulling passenger cars. When this locomotive was new, most short-distance passenger routes (of which there WERE many..) used old steam-era coaches. All the heat was from steam, so when a diesel was bought to replace the old steam locomotive (usually a smaller locomotive left over from the era of 1900-1918), it needed a steam generator. As short-distance routes disappeared during the 1950's and early 1960's, most of these steam generators were removed.
That is all great info!! Thanks for that!
They could be left in place as ballast to increase tractive effort, but under ICC rules needed to be declared dead and labeled as such. New York Central poured concrete into retired steam generators to increase the ballast and TE.
And I'm loving your beautiful model, modeling the train!!
Yeah - she didn't quite fit in as a conductor
@@ZVilleVideos Beg to differ, pretty ladies fit in everywhere!
@@robertf3479 Agree!
So cool
Love finding this stuff!
132 and the locomotive behind it used to switch the CMC mill at Caycey South Carolina, in early 2020 both were replaced by some EMDs. lasr shot I got of those two were by the yard office, glad to see they are still around
Yes I also agree we need to get these to a museum
Pony up some dough.
I love to watch old scrapped trains. This disturb me a lot.
In this video the locos have been abandoned at a beautiful location.
Nice video. Thanks for sharing. This is Docheno. The tracks you crossed aren't dead. They are operated by the shortline Pickens Railroad. Although they aren't as busy today, these tracks were part of the former Southern Railway V Line which was once a major line between Greenville and Columbia.
Cool - thanks for that info! - Yeah - We are actually near the Pickens Railroad main office and were going to see if they have anything I can film there - will post if we find anything! Thanks - Zzzzzzz
The tracks in the video are owned and operated by the pickens railroad. They use the overgrown area as their storage facility
Thanks - I have been meaning to go over to Pickens RR to try and do a video on them - need to get on that!
Always go down backwards, when getting off a locomotive!
Why
@@norbertsiewert3917 That's the safest way, otherwise you might end up with your face in the ballast!
Correct CJ50
That's correct, use the handrails and face the steps like using a ladder so you don't slip and hit your head on the steps falling...
@@norbertsiewert3917 You can get ALL of your foot on the steps instead of your heal. Better footing
They way those box cars weathered is a work of art.
JRWX 132 appears to be an ALCO S2 diesel switcher. 94 is an ALCO RS-1 "Road Switcher". Road switchers are diesel locomotives that have great visibility in both directions, and thus are designed so they can be used on a freight train or just moving cars around in the yard. That "room" would have housed a boiler for steam heating in coaches. The chains leading to those brake cylinders are for the handbrake (the assembly with the wheel by the front at 2:34). These locomotives all use air brakes. The standard north american railroad airbrake is fully applied when there is 0 air in the system. If a locomotive or car sits for a long time without being chained down or any of that, air seeps in to the system and the brakes realease. 121 and the red + white locomotives are both EMD SW1 switchers, and were both built sometime between December 1938 and November 1953, meaning the pair might just be older than Union Pacific's "Big Boy" locomotive. The locomotive next to the 2 appears to be of the GE (yes the one that builds refridgerators and washing machines) 'U Boat' locomotives. That 'Cart' at 10:53 is a Blomberg B type diesel locomotive truck, probably off some sort of EMD GP series.
Wow - Thanks for all that info - Really cool stuff -
I saw this style loco when I was a kid. My uncle was a brakeman on the old C&O at the Smith Yard in Clifton Forge,Va.in the 70's. That's where I got my love of trains as he'd take this impressionable little kid right out into the yard and in to the loco's and cabooses. Was such a cool time.
That must have been cool!
The reason why the fuel tank is relatively small is because this isn't a mainline service locomotive. It's basically a yard switcher... used to move cars around in a yard and for shortline./spur duty.
Oh - Cool to know!
Thanks, Thanks for this...Greetings from the Netherlands
Hope all is Great in the Netherlands!!
The hose between the two switcher engines is air supply for braking the switchs as you called the are air valses to operate said brakes. The so called rail cart with the vines all over it is called a truck belonging to one end of a locomotive two sets of wheels with a traction electric motor 1 to each set of wheels. One set would be mounted to either side of the leaf springs that pointed out. Those locomotives are some where in the neighborhood of 50 + years old worth the effort to restore to original condition fore sure not, not scrap that would be a sinn. comment by Kenneth L Boren.... great vid!
Thanks for the info!
Nice to see not vandalized or tagged. Great video.
You're making me want to drive down to South Carolina!! So many neat adventures and cool things to see. I could bring a goose too🤣
HA - not sure if a goose would do in a car! If you ever come this way we can show ya around / give ya some tips on things to see!
That would be awesome!!
PICK is for the Pickens Railroad...an active carrier located in upper South Caroline, you were on active railroad property, so actually trespassing.
The Pickens doodle is now a bike trail.
They were certainly on someone's property, so yes they were probably tresspassing. The PICK boxcar doesn't look active. Probably sold years ago for storage
The Alcos couldn’t have been sitting there long as the windows are not only intact but positively clean.
The first unit was an ALCO, probably S-1 or S-2 based on the trucks, but it's probably a repowered rebuild based on the cab.
The blue one is a ALCO RS-1...built in the 40's like the first one...
The other ones are two EMD SW-1's 600up built probably late 40's
The last was a GE...maybe a B23-7?
The big thing in the last boxcar was a air compressor...
And the over grown truck set was from an EMD GP locomotive,, they were used on many models from the 40's to now...
In railroad terms this is a Dead Line...Basically storage for broken locks and part sources...not actually abandoned, though it might seem like it...
Okay - Cool - we want to go back one day and look closer -
Look for important info, builders plates, etc.
Was this in winnsboros in South Carolina
These guys are next to a semi dead line outside of Belton SC - Would love to see the ones by Winnsboros - will look around that area!
JRWX aka Johnson Rail Services ..Both are ALCO diesel locomotives
Let's get a cold start on these engines thnks
Would love to be there when they do that!
Need to service and charge the batteries to motorize the generatoe to crank the engine.
Two Alco RS1 switchers. Such cool workhorse engines.
Sad to see them sitting and rotting away!
One SW1 EMD
Nope, only the blue one is an ALCo RS-1. The red one is a modified ALCo S-2.
That is pretty cool I'm surprised the horns are not ripped off yet
Hoping they are still there for all to see -
She has great spirits and energy!
The Train or the Girl!? HA
@@ZVilleVideos both in a sense haha but honestly the Lady
I wouldn't worry too much about asbestos in the cab. The obvious issue was the peeling paint, which probably had lead.
HA - Yeah - I saw that when reviewing that is was all paint - and most definitely lead paint!!
Nonsense. When I was a child, I chewed on my lead painted crib and nothing happenghsthfodmbxusv%%$$
They are out of service switchers that belong to a shortline called Pickens Railway
Yes
That truck with the tree growing out of it and the leaf springs is a powered, or once powered truck for a locomotive. No hydraulic lines on locomotive that was the air line connection for the air brakes between locomotives in that case but between all cars in the train. FYI
Cool - Thanks -
A few years ago while traveling in the UP of Michigan we passed miles and miles of abandoned grain cars just parked on a rail line along the highway
It's Amazing how many there are!
Old locomotive had #6 BL AIRBrake valve equipment An the planter was a old engine wheel truck assembly 😊nice video 👍
Thanks 👍
Blomberg truck from under a locomotive. Traction motors have been removed.
From the looks of that #132, it doesn't appear to have the original McIntosh & Seymour 539 in it.
Great memories come to mind seeing these little work horses in original condition. Old and faded yes, but graffiti free is a beautiful look. The sounds they made while working is all that's missing.
Agreed - Would love to hear these guys fired up!
the Blue locomotive looks like it might be an ALCO RS1. The red locomotive is an ALCO S2 the control stand is obviously new as it is not original to this engine. In fact I question as to if the original 8 cylinder ALCO diesel engine is even under the hood after seeing the digital Detroit Diesal screen on the cab control stand. This may have also had a Detroit Diesal truck engine installed.
Cool -
#132 is an Also S2 that was built in July of 1946. Johnson Rail Services is the owner. They are not abandoned. Maybe some day they will be in a museum.
That would be great - preserve them!
These poor abandoned locomotives... It's like coming across a ghost town
It Was -
There is some fresh grease on the trucks at 1:32, I'll say they are still in service possibly by farmers, short line, or power plant. As for the rest, a lot of work is needed to preserve them.
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@@ZVilleVideos your welcome
blue engine is newer than the red one, it came with roller bearing trucks.
JRWX, Johnson railway service inc
Ah-Ha - cool - have not heard of that one! Will look them up. Thanks -
I saw that a few have had the friction bearing replaced with roller bearings so the timeline for sitting on the siding is not very long. 2/4/2020 was the last date for a picture of both the 132 and the 94 running.
Wow - cool - Thanks - Zzzzzzzzz
They do that for ease of maintenance.
note they were updated with roller bearing on the trucks.
the red one looks like a VR Y CLASS
Switchers. air lines boss.
There is a difference between abandoned an unused.
Tasty looking paint chips
Ha Ha
I would like to know the exact location of these trains, so I could see them for myself. Surprised to see a CSX Maintenance of Way (MoW) U18B sitting there.
They are outside of Belton SC -
as a railfan (train person) this is really cool! those are some rare locomotives that units are hard to find! it looks like the orange one is a ge u18b. from the looks of it its a parts source for the railroad because they run engines like the 9501 but that one is out of service. the first unit you saw was actually built in the 1940s but jrwx rebuilt it. I think all these locomotives are a parts source for the railroad. clearly though they don't care about them. as long as they got their part their good to go.
Thanks so much for the info -
I think you are correct!
Those locomotives look like they are sitting ideal, because if you look closely at the air lines between both of the locomotive, you can see that they have been replaced
Cool- Would love to see them get used again!
@@ZVilleVideos that is up to the people that owen all of them
We run a S2 in Washington state in Yacolt, BYCX 1 built march 1941 I believe. These don't look to be in all that bad shape physically.
Cool explore cute Girl very energetic :-)
Thanks!
I wonder what the security system was for?
Yeah - So did I!
I would guess 132 and 94 are still in use. Probably you should not have been in the cab lol
The orange U18b was built for the seaboard Coast Line in October 1974 and it eventually became CSX owned it was painted in orange for maintenance of way service and was used for that job for the rest of its operating career it was later sold to the Pickens Railway as a parts locomotive due to the Pickens using many U18b’s in revenue service which If I remember correctly it is the line that runs next to the old locomotives
Cool - Thanks for the info - Want to get over to the Pickens Railway Yard one day to do a video on that - Look for that in the future!
Looks like you are in a old small switching yard that has become a ideal yard for what ever railroad that Owen's these will come back for them when they are ready to repair and use them.
Never thought of that - It is Pickens RR -
@@ZVilleVideos ok, I never heard of that railroad at all before.
JWRX Johnson rail services the loco is a Alco S1 or 2 the other 2 are EMD SW 1 from the Laurinburg and Southern RR
Nice boots
HA - Snake Boots!
That looks like one of the rear trucks from the caboose they have side play to them so it kind of swayed back and forth side to side gave it a smoother ride
One is a truck from a locomotive not a car
I never worked for the railroad, but I tried to get hired by Chessie System, back in the 80's, and aced there employment test. But failed the physical because of my eyesight (so they claimed)! But I've been a member of the PM1225 groups since 1977. Had a cab ride in it in 1991, for contributing to the "super heater fund" then, to rebuild it. My Grandpa was a gandy dancer for the PRR in the early 1920's, and I've always been a model railroader!
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Those weren't hydraulic lines. They were air lines. Trains have air brakes. No hydraulics involved.
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The lack of graffiti is amazing being that close to the hwy!
Yeah - Not much graffiti anywhere down here but we thought that same thing!
ALCO RS-1. Great find! I wonder how long they've been sitting there. Not very long from the looks of them
Yeah - hard to tell - a few years for sure - bullet holes looked old -
@@ZVilleVideos a few years I can agree with. RS-1 is a good find. Not many of these left.
@@garyharrall4002Green mountain Railroad has an Alco RS1, 405
@@briansaxby5357 how many are left?
DUDEZILLA! How great is it that people from around the USA gave you the 411 on EVERY question you asked in the video!!!!!?????!?!?!
No kidding! This is amazing - and the info keeps coming - spending time on Google doing some reading - but I will rely on all these guys for the good stuff - so grateful to get so much info from people that know - THANKS TO YOU ALL!!
I wonder when they parked them there if they knew they were just going to sit for decades or did it just workout that way?
Yeah - Wondered that myself - still would be cool to see them restored!
Alco inline 6 cylinder diesel engines were the prime movers in those. 1000 HP, if I remember well. Very cool.
1000HP out of a 6 Cylinder is insane!
@@ZVilleVideos large bore and stroke, and turbocharged!!!
They both had a McIntosh&Seymour 539 prime mover. I was a student engineer for Penn Central NJ Div. and operated both types a lot. Indestructible machines!
@@gordonvincent731 True, but by the time the two road units in comment were built ALCO had full operating control of McIntosh and Seymour, having purchased the company during the 1940's, a bit before these units were built.
@@wgunter1000 So, what are you saying the prime movers are?
the first two were road engines those second two you looked at were switcher yard engines.
thats called a truck which the train rides on, the thing with the weeds growing up thur,
Cool seeing one out from under!
It will be a shame when vandals and thieves find them.....
Yeah - Hope not!
Look for the “push pole dimples” on the first two engines and find out what they were used for. You’ll be amazed and appreciate their age. 😉
No hydraulics but it's all air. But that first cab you were in was the most odd control stand i've ever seen. I've wired many locomotives and never have seen anything like it
Cool- didn't know that - must have been older!
Csx 9501 is originally Seaboard Coast Line Railroad 379 a General Electric company U18B commonly known as baby boats these were bought to replace the aging RS3 locomotives that the S. C. L. had. The most common users of the U18B were the Seaboard Coast Line and the Maine Central Railroads. CSX 9501 former S.C.L. 379 spent a lot of time in the Tampa Bay area and should be in Gulf Coast railroad Museum that is in the Tampa Bay area
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put liviner things Shezana away.. 😊
The controls are pneumatic not hydraulic. It’s all air pressure. Not fluid activated.
That is what is called trucks and they are what goes under rail cars
Cool - Thanks
Now that everyone knows where they are, let's hope someone doesn't steal them. They need to be restored.
HA - Yes!
Do you know what town this is in?
Outside of Belton SC -
They are located at the intersection of Brock Road and Docheno Road in Belton, SC. Found the abandoned engines and rail cars on Google maps.
I think the women with you is much nicer to look at than the old RR equipment. The next video you post she should be wearing some Daisy Duke Shorts
Agreed - will tell her- Get me in the good graces - ha
Where is this and how do I get to it
This is outside Belton SC - Please don't vandalize or steal anything!
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air brake lines- not hydralic lines. Basic stuff to know
Cool - it good to know!
Train brakes are set by letting the air out and released by putting the air back in. That way if the train comes apart or the air hose blows, all the air is gone and the brakes go into emergency and will stop.
Second Engineer? Don't you mean conductor or brake man, seeing how the conductors seat has a brake wheel?
I really didn't know - thanks for the info!!
Not hydraulic lines ,air lines my boy ,could be V12 engines powering those locoes
The original engines in the first two were inline 6 cylinder engines. The SW-1 had a V-6. The U-18 had a V-8.
Those are first generation alco diesels at least over 80 years old..... The other one not in such good shape was a Switzer... And that big one was a u33 b. or c. not sure otherwise known as a U-boat.... Also first generation... Unless you've already seen it. Just Look for a video called first generation diesels a search for the survivors......
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Hi from Green Bay!! The 2 smaller switch engines that have the so called tool box in front of the radiator, are called the "SW-1 Class", by the Electro-Motive-"Corporation" in La Grange, Illinois, West of Chicago, in the late 1939 era, as one of the first successful mass produced Diesel locomotives, with 600 H.P., and 4 traction motors 1 on each axle, and the short wheelbase let them go around the sharp curves in factories, and popular for rail museums as unique engines for short excursions. The SW-1 was wide-spread across the usa and Canada. But by 1939 E.M.C. was merged into General Motors, and became the Electro-Motive-"DIVISION" of G.M. and became the world leader of diesel builders with many different export models, for the past 85 years, and just a few years ago in the 2000s era, E.M.D. was merged into Caterpillar and Progressive rail, and build the newest heavy and powerful S.D.-70-A.C.E. for America's Transcontinental, and Pan-American freight trains. Currently the small sw1's are about 85 years old, and thus in about 15 years will also be 100 Years Old. Thus, it would be really super cool to get them repaired, and in operation for their 💯 th Anniversary!! Hooray!! GOD BLESS THE U .S.A. AND ALL OF OUR ALLIES!! IN THE HOLY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!! GLORY ALLELUIA!!!!! AMEN!!!!! FRI, JULY 15, 2022, A.D. BY: STEVEN SOLWAY, GREEN BAY WISCONSIN, U.S.A.! GO PACKERS!!!!! P.S:. I also want those 2 SW-1 Diesels for my new excursion train in Green Bay.
Thanks for all that great info! Very cool - Zzzzzz
Yup...very long story, was necessary.
My father's switchers were mostly SW-1's the Boston & Maine had tons of them. Used to ride it every Saturday, hearty little rigs.
I am surprised that you have not been contacted by a special agent for the railroad or the local Sheriff. I worked for the Santa Fe Railway for 20 years and they paid people to keep an eye on their property. If you would get hurt, who pays?
No signs at all - we were respectful!
@@ZVilleVideos Railroad property by Federal Law is private property and signs are not needed. I am sure if you slipped and fell and was severely hurt, that your insurance company would know who to contact and if you did not have written permission and then there could be other issues. Now, if the track was abandoned, there are other issues. Under Federal Law, if a Railroad Company abandons a section of rail line and a farmer starts farming the land, the Railroad can come back in 20 years and re-open the line. There have been organizations that wanted to create rail-trails for public use and it took legislation to accomplish the formation of a rail trail just so there could be some understanding that the Railroad could not come back and eliminate the rail trail.
@@f.puttroff4470 The laws are complicated and are not always the same. If a railroad abandons a track, the likilihood they could reclaimit is minimal at best. Once abandoned, the railroad gives up all rights to that land. They can sell it to whomever they want. There are scenarios where raillines are railbanked, but that is usually done by the state and not a railroad itself.
I’ll bet that if you put a fresh set of batteries in one of the engines they would start right up. Or maybe that first red one might if you had the key.
Ha - That would be something!
Not that simple. You have to purge any water(rain) from the cylinders before starting. Also they don't use a key to start the diesel engine.. It's all buttons which have to be pulled out. 1= Battery Field 2= Fuel pump. Then you push the starter button.
To start a GM/ EMD diesel locomotive that hasn’t been started, you
1=check the oil in the crank case
2= check engine cooling water
3= open condensation valves on engine block
4=insert steel bar in flywheel and pull down(“Barring over”) any water on top of the piston will be expelled through those condensation valves
5= pull out battery field switch(Turns power on}
6= push starter button to “bump” engine over one revolution.
7= close condensation valves(AKA compression releases)
8= pull out fuel pump switch
9= Pull or push”Lay Shaft”(hand throttle){requires another employee)
10= When fuel pressure and return fuel press gauges read 15 PSI Push and hold starter button until engine starts
11= hold onto layshaft lever until engine smooths out
12= wait till water temp is 150 degrees
To get locomotive to move,the pneumatic control switch must be pulled out. The controls are (except for the brakes) worked by an electric air servo(PC)
These GM/EMD locomotives are two cycles(You do not mix oil with the diesel fuel) and have 567 Cubic inch displacement per cylinder. The Alco’s are 4 stroke.
@@strobx1 Close but not all correct. One revolution is not enough if you use the batteries to bump it over to clear any condensation. No need to bar it over as that is a waste. And all Diesel engines are 4-cycle although not all engines are 4-stroke. Intake, Compression, Power, Exhaust. The difference is that a 2-stroke does it for every revolution of the engine while a 4-stroke does it for every 2 revolutions of the engine.
@@gravelydon7072 The intake & exhaust are in the scavenging stroke which combines two of the strokes. The compression starts after the piston clears the the scavenging ports. When the piston reaches TDC, the fuel is ignited and the "Power Stroke: happens, But that is only 1/2 the throw until the scavenging ports are uncovered. The 4 stroke is intake compression, power and exhaust. So there are 4 movements to complete the cycle. The barring over is what we did because the engine sat for a time. If it has been run, then you don't have to bar it over or bump it with the condensation cocks open. The whole idea is to eliminate any water from condensation that may have gotten into the cylinder and on top of the piston. The water will turn to steam and could hydrolock the engine damaging it. If you have all the condensation cocks open, then you could eliminate barring it over. But, that is what the railroad locomotive mechanic told us. The scavenging is aided by a roots blower on the end of the banks of cylinders in a GM/EMD. Where as the roots blower is located on the top of the engine in a Detroit.
A two stroke diesel will not run without the roots scavenging blower. This is known as "Normally Aspirated with a roots blower". It is not a supercharger. It might give 5 PSI of boost. But the idea here is to move volume of air instead of pressure. The exhaust flows out of two exhaust valves on top of the engine which is worked off a cam shaft. When the scavenging ports are uncovered, those two valves open. When the ports are covered, they close. Also there are three rocker arms per cylinder. The center is the fuel injector and the outer two are exhaust. Because the power stroke part is 1/2 the throw, it has no bottom end and so must run at a higher RPM in order to get in the power band. Unlike the 4 stroke which has power on the full throw of the power stroke. But the two stroker will rev up faster. Now a turbocharger does both scavenging and boost so roots blowers are largely obsolete
@@strobx1 I would suggest that you go take a Diesel engineering course. You have a number of things still wrong. Cycles and strokes are two different things. Cycles are always 4 as named while strokes can be two or four in almost all Diesels and spark ignition engines. I say almost as there are hit and miss gas engines that do not use every stroke for an operation. Many of the strokes can just be an idle stroke. Not sure if any Diesels were ever built that way but they could be. As for Diesels, I have operated and maintained both two and four stroke engines. And gasoline of both types also. Detroit Diesel certified on the 71 series engines. A 2 stroke Diesel does not have to have a blower at all. Same with a two stroke gasoline engine. A single cylinder Diesel can operate without any type blower. And if you built one correctly, so could one which had more than one cylinder. I have a 3 cylinder gasoline engine downstairs that is a 2-stroke engine and it has no blower either.
As for baring over the engine, you only need to open the cocks to allow any water to escape while you use the starter to turn it over. Been there and done that many times on both FM and EMD engines. The FM engines in our case were air starts instead of using any batteries. While it was a good idea to do it on an ALCo engine, it wasn't mandatory unless you knew you had a water jacket leak. There is no way to do it on a Detroit Diesel at all.
And have you ever seen and operated a two-stroke Radial Diesel, I have.
where is this explore?
This is outside of Belton, South Carolina - Just off a back road in the middle of nowhere - Love stumbling onto things like this when driving around!
@@ZVilleVideos thanks man, might try to explore it, I’m a rail fan and a fan of abandoned places, so this should be perfect
It is located at the intersection of Brock Road and Docheno Road. Found the abandoned engines and rail cars on Google maps.
@@b3stanga697 Thank you! I always enjoy being able to find video locations on Google maps. The two Alcos are in the satellite view which is from 2022, but if you zoom in to the street view (from 2019) they are not there.
If you like Google maps, go to the intersection of Lamar Mitchell Road and Blue Ridge Ave. in Belton, SC and you will see a derailment that happened to be caught on the satellite image. I found it looking for these locomotives.
Leaded paint chips
HA!
These don't go far they switch cars in yard
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Those looked like turnip stomping boots from Aiden SC
HA - Snake Boots - She got them in Cal - We lived in Rattler Country!
Diesel fuel tanks on the train locomotive are under the train body
Ah Ha - Thanks for the info!
And the handles on the train locomotives and hooked up to the other train locomotives are air hoses and glad hands as well and when the trains are moving there breaks are the only thing that works and dynamic breaks fans as well