Options for Connecting Guitar Processors.
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- Опубліковано 26 лют 2012
- First off, no it's not THE 4 cable method! I know that. I 4 cables. I go over three different scenarios for using your guitar processors with your amplifier. The four cable method utilizes guitar processors which have an fx loop built into the processors to allow for splitting the effects to before and after preamp sections of an amp. I do not cover that method in this video.
Id like to say thanks brother. If only all guitar equipment had a video as easy as this one explaining how to go about things. Thanks
The only video that explains it so perfectly. Thank you so much sir!
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Thank you! Appreciate your comment very much. :)
This FX loop plugging is also great to prevent " tone sucking" which is what most of these multi effect units do especially in front of a good tube amp. They sound great in headphones,in a bedroom or for direct recording but in a live situation through a tube preamp, they tend to get thin and disappear into the overall mix of the band. You lose that nice pure tone your got your amp's sweet spot to and you get "their" tone instead. Great video.
you gotta turn off preamp and cab sim section though..
i got the best tutorial , compare to the other Videos.. thanks sir. Very helpful and you teach us perfectly. Excellent
Thank you. Excellent video and only thorough explanation I found.
Thanks brother that really helped, that's what I like about UA-cam. You can actually learn something.
Awesome video tutorial, kudos! I have the Boss ME-80, and was having an issue with the time based effects running into the pre amp section/front of head. All the other modulation worked great. Tried this way amd it works great. Thanks again.
Since that unit has amp and speaker modeling, you should always run it in the loop if using the modeling to bypass the amps preamp section, only using the power amp and speakers. Glad you found this video helpful.
@@TheGospelGuitarist why wouldn't I want to use my amps preamp settings anyway and then the me80 for the effects? I have a marshall dsl40cr.
Finally a well presented and useful video,... thank you!
Thanks for the kind comment. Rock on!
Option 3 is the best for me. Thanks for nice vid!
Thanks for the video, you make it so easy to understand !
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Option 3 really works with my zoom g3xn and Marshalls. Thank you for the video!
Great to hear!
There's an option number 4. If your amp lacks send and return, you can bypass its preamp by connecting the output of the stereo guitar processor to the aux in connection of the amp. Most amps have that input jack.
Great video! Really straight and clear
By far the easiest lesson and the 4CM and optional routing! Thx!
Appreciate the comment sir! You are very welcome.
Nice vid chris! Thumbs up! I have the ME50 and have been using it front of amp into a HH 100 combo. I've also got a Laney VC30 2x10 with an effects loop so I am going to give the four cable method a go.
Thank you for sharing very helpful!! 👍
Hello thank you, very helpful for me to understand. Im disabled now and getting old. So I forgot . I have the boss me 70 , I had the boss 50 too , gave it to my son years ago. I have many Marshall original tube amps only. Glad you help me , thank you kindly appreciate it...⚓️🇺🇸🎸👍😊😎rock on..
Thank you so much. Keep rock in’!
I have the G5 right now and it sounds great now i can bypass the preamp in the solid state Marshall. Thanks for the video. That 120 is still one of the best amps around!
Rock on!
Wonderful explanation! thanks a lot!
Fantastic tip! Really blessed 🙏! Thank you
You're so welcome!
Excellent video, subscribed!
Excellent Video --- Thank You
This was extremely helpful. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
@@TheGospelGuitarist I'm just trying to decide whether to put it (me 80) in front or fx. Since I only have a big muff and looper I'm thinking in front.
This was really helpful thanks
Thank you so much for posting this helpful video. I have been torn between JC-40 vs Tech21 vs FRFR PA. I would much prefer the Roland JC 40 now that I know how I can bypass the pre-amp when I use it with my Helix. I had no idea you can use FX loop so many ways. Thank you, Sir.
Never stop learning is my moto. So many options today. I would go JC40 simply because the thing will probably outlast you. The Roland tone from these JC amps are just amazing.
What a great video. Thank you sir
Glad you liked it!
Thank you for the clarification.
Great video! Also, sI need to mention that that's not the 4 cable method. The 4 cable method is: Guitar - Pedal input, pedal send - amp imput, amp send - pedal return, pedal output, amp return- That way you get to choose from your processor (via FX chain order and switching on the pedal) if and where you want the amp's preamp to engage and at what level.
This is if your multi-effects board has "send - return". None of the ME's have this function which is the purpose of this video. The GT's do though.
I appreciate this video. Thank you
Thank you kind sir!
thanks dude, this helped a lot...
Thank you . Great instruction.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome, thanks for that!!!
Thank you for this ..very helpfull no nonsence video
Finally!! Thank you!
Great explanation ;-)
The stereo i.e. two amps setup is great especially for time based effects like digital/analogue delay phaser, flanger, chorus etc . Joe Walsh and many other great musicians use the stereo setup.
Hi, I have a 5150 II Amp Head and I wanna add effects to it but I don't wanna carry my analog pedals when it comes to playing live shows, instead I got a Digitech3000 so I can use the pedal effects that I like.
Is there any way so I can use the beautiful sound of my tube amp and still add the effects from my my Digitech3000?
as you can see this isn't the first video i've watched of yours today:) ?? i've been using multi efx since the 90s but have never tried the loop method to connect,,after watching this I may try, I have a Bogner alchemist 2x12 and a boss gt8, would it be worth doing, will there be that much of a difference sound wise?? and will my distortion suffer?? also i will be adding a second amp to my rig very soon, Blackstar s1-45,,any ideas how i could wire that in stereo?? that is all my friend :)
😎 I Just got an Elevem Rack and I'll try those connections
The ME 80 does not have its own fx loop on board.
What is the method (i prefer the 2nd one you showed us) what is the method to use the modeling/distortions in the front of the amp, but the fx like reverb, delay, through the fx loop on the amp? How do i do this with the 4 cable method. Also im a little confused on the stereo/mono thing. Im basically using an evh and mesa boogie 4 12 but im running it in mono i believe. Whats the difference running a cab like this in mono vs stereo for my setup?
Unfortunately, the 4-cable method did work out for my Me-80 and Orange Micro Dark when it comes to the added distortion. It was extremely choppy.
Great Video! I just bought a Boss me50 and was wondering how to do this.
THANK YOU!
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Glad it helped. Just rememmber that with the ME-50 you cannot do a true four wire cable method but what I do here gets you close. On tube amps you don't want the distortions in the amps loop so just stick to the effects. This box is designed to be in front of the amp but I've it in several ways. Thanks for subscribing!
@@TheGospelGuitarist ok thank you 👍
Thank you for explaining the options so clearly. Trouble is that I need to buy a new amp as well as a multi effects processor. A nice problem to have🙂
Me too. I want to use multi unit. I have vox vt20x and doesn't really do well with pedals. I'm thinking the katana will serve well as I heard they do take pedals well. So...i hope
hi,
can you teach us also with a tube amp, muti-effects, DI GI100, connection/cabling options? i have a laney VC30 , boss gt-8, BEHRINGER DI GI100. hope you could give me a light on this one. thanks
I use mxr micro amp-boss g7eq in the return of my traynor amp.so i'm only using the power amp, of course with other pedals like dist-delay and it sounds so good.cheers🍷
Very good video. Thank you. And the comment from Chris Jones tells the rest
Since the me-50 does not have it's own effects loop, this version of the 4CM puts all the dirt from the me-50 in the amps fx loop, which makes them after the pre-amp, which I find undesireable. To have a true 4CM the fx unit needs it's own fx loop as well.
This may sound fine on the JC-120 however, since it's a clean amp
Most pedals do not have an effect loop right? the only one I know to have this function is Boss NS2. Later versions of BOSS ME do not have an effects loop either.
Yes absolutelty right Chris, I was addressing how to make even this unit sound better. Way nicer modulation tone in an amps loop. Most people place this type of unit in front of the amp. If I am using a nice tube amp for overdrives and distortion, which most of us do, I just use the modulation effects in the loop. I know the GT100 and some other nicer units do have loops, and then the "real 4 cable method" can split the units effects. My point is to show we all have options. Yes, the JC120 does sound good this way being solid state anyway and is a very clean sounding amp.
Yes with this unit you would have to put separate dirt pedals in the front. But it’s great for using tons of other effects from the procssor. Especially if you like the dirt from just the amp.
Hello, thx for the presentation.. very useful... I just wonder whether or not the option 2 equals the classic 4-cable method when a Effect loop is availably on both devices, the amp and the effect board, processor, preamp etc.. hope the author still looks on the comments since the chat has it ages! Cheers Peter
Yes it is 4 cable method if both have an effects loop.
Hot dog! I thought I couldn't use the 4CM method with the ME series! Looks like I may be giving my RP1000 the heave-ho!
That Roland has a ton of options!
Thank you for explaining how to do this the right way. #OBP Bluesman
Any time! Hope it helps.
You should make a video of how to add stomp boxes to the effects chain. I have a GT100 and I don't like the distortions so I've added a metal zone and Sonic maximizer. It sounds so much cleaner than the big pedal and I use the pedal for effects with nothing else. I'm curious if I set it up correctly or if there is another route to make it even better.
Run the distortin stuff in the front input of the amp and run the GT100 for effects through the FX loop on the amp. You probably should put the Sonic in the loop after the Gt100. The Maximizer is meant to inhance the overall sound not the distrotion pedal, use an eq pedal after the Metal Zone for more tonal control.
TheGospelGuitarist
Alright thanks, I'll switch it. I don't have an eq pedal, I was kind of using the Sonic maximizer for that but I'll try it.
You could probably get one cheap off eBay. MXR 's have always been loved by players but there are others.
If I put an me80 into the fx loop and set it on manual mode it'll basically be like having a pedal board right? It'll be my half stacks tone, and use the me80 for strictly fx?
Yes, If the ME80 has an FX loop on it, you should do the 5 cable method. That would put amp modeling and distortions, compression in front of the amp while keeping the time based effects in the amps loop. I can't remember if the ME80 has an fx loop. Otherwise yes you can use the amps real preamp tones and place the FX in the loop.
Excelente! eu ia vender meu Frontman 65r, agora não vou mais, simplesmente vou usar o modo 3
fucking finally someone with brain made video on how to setup Multi effects Pedalboard to an amp or speaker setups thank you for the video fuck all companies the don't give you a readable manuel with in depth steps
My question is a follows. I just want to use the delay effects only from this peddle board. I love the distortion of my peavey amp. It has 2 channels, a metal and a clean channel. How can I hook up the peddle board and use only the delay effect without the peddle board affecting the distortion of the amp. And how can I switch back and forth using both channels with the delay effect coming from the peddle board?
hook it up through the effects loop and turn off all the preamp and distortion stuff on the modeler
Hi, I stumbled across your very informative video on this topic and found it very helpful so thanks for that but i just have one question... apart from the guitar cable you used, are the other cables you used to make the other commection also a guitar cable or are they patch cables? Hope this question makes sense. In other words can you use guitar cables to make all the necessary conmections?
Glad it was helpful! Yes all cables are the same type as a guitar cable. I often will use Hosa 20 foot long paired cables for long runs to the amplifier. One line grey the other orange. Send and return or stereo connections ect. They are not sold as 'guitar' cables but are of the same construction generally.
@@TheGospelGuitarist Thanks for your speedy reply, much appreciated, good to know. Best wishes and keep safe 👍
Thanks been doing this guitar stuff a while... never used nor understand the amps (Send-Return) option? i think ill try your 2nd option....see what my effects pedal sounds like?
multi effects pedal have some nice overdrive sounds but when you play them with a band and have to crank the amp up in volume? the tones sounds different.... sounds either get lost or are too far from the tone it sounded at home.. .because the amp and speaker are working at greater volume.....the effects pedal then perhaps needs less DRIVE or Distortion in its settings..?....and i think id maybe have to E.Q them after? your videos helped me a bit but i'm still confused? ' amps' 'preamps' 'processors' 'effects' 'send' and 'returns'? its complicated.... this guitar stuff. (I'm still working on it!!)
I get the amp to my dirty and clean tones and use effects in the loop. Tube tone is best for overdriven and distortion tones. Imho
awesome!!!
Nice info. I have the boss gt1. when I connected it the 4 way method - it had a hum sound. The boss gt1 input is the power as well. When using the amp head I leave it on the clean channel. Is it possible to utilize the clean and distortion on the amp head?
There are a few different "4 - cable" methods that place the unit in different positions. If you use what I would call the "REAL 4 cable method" then yes you have the preamp fully available while also having the effects unit fully useful. There are some good diagrams on the net on this. I have another video where I connect up a rack Boss GX-700 into this amp with the "real" 4 cable method and it was killer.
@@TheGospelGuitarist ok thank you, I"ll keep experimenting with it.
what about if you have a left and right effects send in an amp? can we use a y cable for multi effects input?
You should just use left side send.
Thanks a lot...
appreciated cheers
What if you want to use the effects loop for the me 80 but use the OD channel for the Mesa that I have
Look up the five cable method .
This is great! Would this work with a Line 6 Pod Pro and a Mesa Boogie TriAxis and a Mesa Boogie Stereo Simul class 290?? I really could use some help here!!
Any amplifier with an effects loop will do. You can use whatever processor you have this way. I'm Mesa man myself. I have a '96 Dual Rec Trem-o-verb. You can search out 4 cable method videos to use your effects which have an effects loop on them. The one I use in this video does not, but it can be placed into a loop this way or just in front of the amp. It's designed to be in front. Other processors with a loop on them using the 4 cable method you can place amp modeling and overdrives in the front of the amp while placing time based effects after the preamp where they sound better. Hope that helps. Don't forget to subscribe and like the video!
@@TheGospelGuitarist Thankyou so much!!
Very helpful, well done vid! Trying to figure out this Kustom KG 210FX a friend gave me. He got it at a Goodwill for $18.95! Missing its pedal. It's nice but if I connect my effects board from the front it was sounding kinda like leftyfusion88 describes. This amp is loud plugging in the front but if I use the loop, I lose the volume, big time. Is that right? Same with bypassing the preamp, lose the volume. It's like something isn't right to lose that much volume using the loop. What am I missing?
May be a reason it was $18.95. Is there a loop level control which needs to be turned up? Do you have pedal dieing? Trying out each pedal in the loop by itself and see if maybe you have a dead pedal? The loop on the amp may be damaged as well. Hope that helps. Process of elimination! Plugging straight into the loop and bypassing the preamp completely and not blowing your head off with 100% power amp is telling me the loop has an issue.
I was hoping not but yea that's how it found Goodwill. However the volume it wants to play it is a pretty nice one & it does sound much better using the loop. I've never messed w a loop before, I've always just plugged in the front and you're showing the connections for the options is perfect. My deal is rigged lol I use a DOD stereo multi effects processor. I run it to a Peavey PV-4C stereo power amp that goes to 4 12s on one side of my living room & on the other side it was going to a Peavey Renown but now I'm using this Kustom and the sound in my living room aint bad. My 18.95 gift is still a blessing. My TV runs thru a pretty nice yamaha sound system & I jam to youtube in there. I enjoy it. I've been trying to tighten up my game a little bit & upload a practice with a half way decent sound with my old sony camcorder lol if nothing else it's fun
Really glad my video helped you out, so glad to hear that from people. If you can't have fun playing...what's the point right? Rock on! :)
Many thanks for your video, do you have it with JC-40 ? I am Boss GT user and I looking for best amp to work with it. Thank you !
I would buy a new jc model with the stereo inputs. The gt100 would sound great on that.
You would have option of using the fix loop or just go right into the front or splitting the gt100 using 5 cable method. Lots of options.
I have a Vox AC 15...I play my guitar and effects through this amp and my backing tracks through another amp....would it be possible to play my guitar and backing tracks just through one amp by using an audio mixer....would I be able to get a good sound just through one amp? Thanks and cheers from Vancouver.
You can buy small practice amps with inputs for audio playback. Don’t make it harder than it needs to be.
Hello..
I might have mist it on your video .. how do I hook up my line six hd 500 to my engl Powerball . I want to use the sound of the engl and just the effects on my line six ..
Your manual should be able to tell you how to do that. I think the HD500 has an effect loop which you would use in a 5 cable method hookup to use the effects only from the HD and the drive from the Engl.
How do I connect a processor directly to a computer? (for recording). Thank you!
USB or midi usually. Plugins have come a long way too and can be a good option. If using an external mixer add in the processor there.
i have 2 more ways to connect you multeffects for live play:
1. using a 1/4 jack TRS cable to XLR.
This way you cand send the signal from the headphones output to an amplified speaker, turning off the eq of the speaker if you can, not all the speakers have this option. you can use only this way or then you can put a microphone in front of the speaker to send the audio signal to the mixer in case you have one.
2. using a 1/4 jack TRS to 1/4 jack TRS cable and a Direct Box.
This way you don't need to use extra long cables, and you cand send the audio signal from the headphone output to the Direct Box, and then from the Direct Box to the mixer through an XLR cable to the Mixer in case you have one.
I've notice the headphone output (STEREO) has more exit volume than the MONO outputs.
Yes, I have a video on using DI's this way too. Both you mentioned are good options. Never make long runs with a guitar cable over 25ft. Use a DI. Thanks for the addition options for not using your amp at all.
On my Korg Toneworks processor I’m only getting a loud thumping noise which increases/decreases with the volume. Any help?
Check connections.
Hi ….! Thanks for this great video ..!! I have VGA-5 Roland Amp and a GT8 floor unit. Considering the 2nd option (4 cable method), could you please help me with routing this rig to get the best of both the Equipement..???
1. Your guitar plugs into the GT8's input.
2. GT8's effects send goes to the VGA5's guitar input.
3. VGA5's effects send goes to the GT8's effects return.
4. GT8's L output goes to the VGA5's effect return. If the VGA has stereo effects returns you can use both L and R.
That's it. You will have to figure out how to split the GT8's effects between the front input or the amps fx loop. If you don't have the manual I'm sure a quick search will point you in the right direction to obtain it. Enjoy and don't forget to come back and subscribe, like to help me out. Thanks!
Thank you for your speedy response.
My GT8 has an EXT Loop - Send & Return. It also has an AMP Control out
My VGA-5 has EFX, EXT IN, EXP Pedal (at the back) and High/Low Input in the front.
What is happening is, My Pre-Amps are not heard when I plugged it the way you explained.
If you are using the send and returns on the amp, you may have to edit the settings for the GT8's fx loop as well as the VGA5. I am not familiar with either of these products enough to guide you. Manuals on both should be looked into as well. On most products you must engage the FX loops. Just hooking them up does not activate the loop.
So my amplifier only has a single return. So I could go from Send > Input ------ Then Mono > Return? Is this correct? What would I be losing? Just stereo capabilities?
Yeah youll be using your gear in mono.
@@TheGospelGuitarist Will I still be getting my tube tone. I'm pretty new to all this. What are the benefits and what are the drawbacks of this particular configuration?
Hello sir... Can u teach me how to setup Zoom G3X to Vox Dynamic Looper And Zoom G1ON... Thanks
The instructions on your equiptment shoulf be all you need here. I am not familiar with the products..
I have a Boss DS-2 Distortion pedal. I want to hook it up to the Boss ME-80. It would be great and much appreciated if you could help me step by step. I'm not too experienced with this. Could you possibly help me with this?
I think that pedal is already inside the ME-80 but you shouldn't need that pedal with the ME-80. But you can run your guitar into the pedal and out the pedal into the ME-80.
@@TheGospelGuitarist Thank you
Thank you ..... :)
So i have a boss me80 and peavey 6505+112 combo. I wanted to use the mfx for modulations but im also wondering if i could use the wah and tubescream on effects loop
If you are plugging your guitar into the amp preamp and then sending the loop to the ME80 then I would say no. Wah after the preamp has a very different sweeping sound...and overdrives after the preamp generally are not a good idea. However, If you are plugging guitar straight into the ME80 an then to the loop then YES. They will work just fine.
Agreed. Some of the effects should be in front of the amp.
+Kilo Tango what i tried to do was plug the me80 on effects loop and was only using reverb delay and equalizer i haven't tried engaging the wah yet so i still have to find out how it would sound. I also tried engaging overdrive to boost the tone but didint sound really good.
+TheGospelGuitarist yes i agree. I tried plugging the me80 in fromt of the amp but i prefer the gain on the amp itself. More punch to it compared to the presents i have on the mfx
@@12Jsilva try using the boost with the drive almost all the way down anf the tone where you like it and the level where it matches the sound output when its turned off, or slightly higher. Works for me and I run the unit through the effects loop of the amp. I use my amps natural sounding preamp and keep all the distortions and modelling preamps off on my me 70. I have not tried the wah yet ...
thank you
You're welcome
Cool man...
Perhaps you can help me out. I’d like to use an effects unit with my valve amplifier. I want to use the amp simulations and distortions from the effects unit. Should I bypass the the valve amps preamp? I’d like to use the preamp from the valve amp but I don’t want the valve amps EQ setting to have any effect on the effect unit. I hope that makes sense, thank you for your time.
Yes, bypass the preamp section of your amp and use the power section and speakers by sending the processors signal to the amps fx return.
TheGospelGuitarist awesome thank you for the reply. Using only the power amp, I won’t be able to keep any of the tube sound though right?
Not the pre amp drive tubes no.
You can use your preamp on your amp as an amp model if you like. Guitar into processor. Processor send into amp input. Amp send into processor return. Processor output to amp return. Put send and return at the begginning if your signal chain in your patch. Turn preamp off on processor. Turn send/return On. Now your amp is the preamp model.
Then on patches you want to use amp models from processor instead of your amps preamp turn the send/return off. This bypasses the preamp of your amp and sends the signal straight to your power amp. Turn preamp models back on and select amp model you desire. This gives you the best of both worlds
is this possible with Boss ME25 and Cube 40GX?
+Matt Gannaban I would think so.
I have a boss me 80 and when I follow this method it sounds like crap.. I have an EVH 5150 iii el 34 50 watt head and a half stack... I don't think that you can use the effects of the me 80 or me 50 cleanly unless you bypass the Amp's pre-amp completely... I think I will try the boss GT 100 and see if I can get a true 4 cable method.
The more expensive units often have an FX loop which allows you to put time based effects into the amp loop while keeping other things that belong in the front where they belong, in the front. The Boss GT100 will sound fine, but remember you need to set gear up to your liking, default settings almost never cut it.
@@TheGospelGuitarist Thanks for the reply.. I now have a BOSS GT-10 that has an effects send and return. I tried the 4 cable method and it sounded like crap. I was getting clipping and coloration of the 5150 tone. I still have the boss gt-10 but now I run a wet dry wet set up with the effects send from the 5150 to the input of the gt-10 and the stereo output from gt-10 into a solid state stereo foot pedal amp that powers two vintage 30 cabs for left and right. The sound is amazing. I think it will sound even better when I get some real pedal effects.
thanks
can you plug a processor directly into a stage monitor?
You can if it’s a powered monitor for monitoring your own playing on stage
hi can you make also a video.. for mono amp but there has a send return effects loop..
for multi effects also.. thanks a lot, god bless you..
You can just hook up units in mono the same way.
Hi, congratulations, there aren´t many videos on this topic!. I have experimented many options for connecting my guitar, fx processor and guitar amp. I have a zoom g9.2tt and a fender twin amp. I love the sound I get, though I want to have a stereo sound. The g9.2tt has a great preamp, so i have connected both stereo outs to a stereo power amp, and the amp to the speakers of the fender guitar amp. It was really nice, and I'll have to re-program everything for this configuration. The bad point was that it occasionally produces a "plop" sound. It is a sort of compressed mid range harmonic that suddenly blows the speakers. I've found that lowering the mids of the eq, it disappears, but also disapperas the great clean sound I was enjoying! Have you ever experienced anything like this? Thanks! Juan, From Patagonia, Argentina.
lituanoz I haven't experienced anything like that. Could be your power amp causing it. Is the power amp and speaker ohms matching? Say the amp is 8ohm are the speakers 8 ohms? These things need to match.
TheGospelGuitarist Yes, they match. The power amp admits 4-8 ohms speakers and the speakers are 8 ohms. I'll reconnect it all again and i'´ll try to find out what's happening. Thanks anyway! Juan.
Check to see if the unit is making noises in other setups. If it is...something is wrong with the FX unit. Say does it pop when using it along with headphones and no amp. Pop in front of the amp or in the loop ect.
So essentially, the second method you use I believe, using 4 cables would actually just be 3 cables if you werent running in stereo? This is essentially just hooking up the me 50 in the effects loop? Which puts the whole unit after the preamp of the actual amplifier? That is how I have my me 70 hooked up. I like it like that because I only uses a few effects and the tuner and I want the effects after the pre amp. I do use the units boost and eq sometimes however, and it seems to work fine this way. I have never even tried any of the modeling preamps or distortions, I like my amps preamp and distortion. I basically just want to be reassured that my me70 is being run after the amps preamp.
oh, I also use the noise gate and it seems to work fine this way too...
Yes that's correct. Your setup puts it in the loop after the preamp. If you want to run in mono just leave out the right channel. Rock on!
Yeah, a lot of players use a noise gate in the loop. FX make noises too. If the gate is in the loop, it kills the distortion noise and FX noise.
So I have head with return I tryed plug it in left mono to return I hear sound just it's not lound at all I'm trying figure what problem is?
You may need to reset your processor and amp head master output volumes. Also make sure you actually are plugged into what you think you are plugged into. Never know!
If you've bypassed the volume knobs on your head, they won't work. Some amps have a master volume that is beyond the heads preamp, in which case it may still work. Therefore, the volume will solely be controlled by your processor. Make sure you have the 1/4" volume on the processor turned up, as well as the master volume on the processor.
The reason they have different volume knobs for different outputs is so you can send one to, let's say an amp, and another to a mixer. Each needs it's own individual volume so they can be adjusted to match whatever is necessary for what you're running it to.
So these means ..i can plug my boss me 25(fx loop not included) to my laney irt 60's fx loop with 4CM
FX send to guitar input and output back to FX return. I wouldn't use distortions there though. Just time based effects like chorus, delay, reverb, flanging ect.
Unless you want to use the amps power section only. Then you use everything.
I'm always amazed by the Options on the backside and I really don't know how to correctly use them.
Learning is good.
No with the last method you still able to control the reverb and chorus vibrato section
It's the same with tube amps. Check out my DI videos. I explain connections using an acoustic but it's the same with electric guitars and amps. Part of my AudioTech series playlist of videos. Hope they help you out.
How to connect from guitar fx to amp from amp to PA system
Bryson Christ use condenser mic for that. Plug mic into PA system then the mic must be close to the speaker amp
Could you connect the out on a Amp Head to the Return on a Combo if the Ohm rating was the same?
Not an electronics guy but I don't believe the inputs are rated in ohms. A tube head needs a specific load on the outputs and return jacks are not going to support that. A solid state head you may try but I think you would risk blowing out the return section of the amp if run to hot, which is very easily done. My recommendation is not to try this. Returns are for effects not amps.
Can you use a a BOSS ME-80 with a peavey vypyr vip 1?
+Kyeris Eiden Yes
+TheGospelGuitarist I meant me-50
Still yes, just processor.
TheGospelGuitarist What do you mean?
+Kyeris Eiden Processors can be used with any amplifier. You can put it between the amp and guitar or into the amps effects loop if it has one.
I noticed in the third example, You only used 3 cables.There's another set of send/return that would use the fourth cable. At least that's how I do it, and the way I commonly see it recommended on U tube
The third way is only using the amps power section and speakers. This is NOT the 4 cable method. Also this can be done using only 2 cables. The JC120 is a true stereo amp so I use it's stereo capability. If you have a unit with an FX loop and the amp also has an FX loops, yes 4 cable method works great.
thanks for the Video. I thought it was awesome. I was wondering if you can give me some advice to setup my Amp. I have a Peavey VYPYR 100 and the VYPYR Processor Foot Pedel. I also have a Digitech RP 150 processor..you mention you can make your solid state amp sound like a tube amp. could you help me setup my \Amp and my Processors. thanks Kindly Bill
Well, a real tube amp works best for tube tone, although solid state cleans can be nice on some amps. No one can help you find your tone. You need to spend time tweaking knobs, trying pedals, switching strings, pickups, even cables. Too many variables involved for me to setup your amp. The RP's I am not familiar with so you'll need to read up on the unit to see if it will do the 4 cable method or if you just want it in front of your amp where most people seem to run them. Presets almost always sound bad to the user, so tweak them until they sound good to you. That may not be super helpful but every ones ears hear differently, so you need to learn what it is you like to hear from your own rig. Even with tube amps we switch tubes to find a tube character we like. Lots of stuff to play with are a guitar player. :)
TheGospelGuitarist thanks I appreciate your advice.
Don't you only need 3 cables if you don't go stereo?
Yes, since most are not stereo amps.
@@TheGospelGuitarist Thank you for your response. I have another question. If you were using a effect processor into the front of an amp on the clean channel. Would you turn up the amplifier volume on the amp loud and turn down the processor volume or would you do the reverse?
My approach has always been to setup the amp alone to sound great first. Then add the processor and setup so that the volumes are matched by using the processor controls so when I bypass a pedal or processor the vol doesn't make a large jump either up or down. Same if I just use the processor, I balance all my patches as well. Hope that helps.
Useless video for me, it doesnt tell you what if you have no fx loop and most modelling or beginners amp under $300 has no effect loop it only contains guitar input and aux in. So i guess if i want to bypass amp effects i need to connect multifx -> amp auxin ?
You can try it. Obviously if you have a low end setup your options are limited. Guitar into the box into the amps input. You need to work with what you have.