i had that warmode thing happen in the middle of the raid too. We did a boss fine, went to another boss and all of a sudden 2 people were in war mode and kept dying from no heals
Isnt that bug like in the game for a long time already? Think that one dungeon where you go back in time to rescue thrall from the camp it was also the case that warmode-friends couldnt get any heals and that was like 2 years ago the last time I touched the game.
@@cutetrapayaya5332 This happened to me about 6 months ago. My friend and I were spamming dungeons leveling alts and our healer said "turn off war mode I can't heal you" and we were both confused. He started getting aggressive towards us after we explained that we haven't had this problem before. So I put up a vote to kick him for being toxic. Instead they declined the vote and kicked my friend. So I pulled the whole dungeon, wiped them, and immediately left the group. Now that I know it's a bug I can be better prepared for these situations in the future. It would be nice to know if it's a problem with the healer trying to heal or the dps trying to be healed. But the only way to test that is to have it happen in a controlled environment. Either way, I don't run dungeons or raids with war mode on anymore.
@@wiseferret4745 you had to press more buttons to vote kick the healer rather than just attempting to turn off war mode and see if it helped. This means you literally worked harder to be difficult than you would've to just try to be a team player.
I am so happy for Asmon being able to just quit the game and play something else when he is in the mood. I remember him being very anxious about whether his audience was able to enjoy him playing other games or not about 2 years ago, that's what makes it so amazing to me that by now he understood that his viewers like to watch him, and not the content that he plays.
Man this hit me harder than I thought it would. The end of this sounded like a guy accepting that not only was his relationship with something over, but also his being shocked and saddened at how little it actually mattered for all he invested in it. I get it. Go to the fun my man. These are games and you owe neither them nor us anything. Enjoy your games. We'll show up.
How much DOES it really matter? As someone who never played much WoW, I'm not seeing any great reason to play one or the other faction outside of PvP and maybe some related lore...? Is it mainly just a nostalgia thing?
@@supertrexandroidx That's a pretty fair question. I mean it IS a game and that shouldn't matter much rationally. It should matter even less what faction one dug IN that game, but trust me the math is pretty different after 15 or so years of investment. Nostalgia is a big part of it, even for a simple nobody gamer like me. For somebody who also has a public presence defined by over a decade of investment into a thing he loved as a life all on its own, this was just a body-blow. It may not make much sense but it is a real emotional beating.
@@supertrexandroidx for me, I love night elves. My main has been a night elf druid the entire time I've been playing the game. I love their lore and Teldrassil is so nostalgic for me. IMO, an aspect of wanting to play a character comes down to if you like the aesthetic of the race first. That's just my opinion, but I dont see myself changing mains and loving my character as much as I love my first main. I have been able to get high end achievements, but it is very hard if you do play alliance. There is no real reason that Horde has an advantage other than that good players play on that faction.
Look into the sunk cost fallacy. It's pretty relevant to this I think. It's a FALLACY at the end of the day. I also play league (stopped recently thank god) and people need to remember that the sunk cost fallacy can genuinely be crippling and rob you of your freedom. If you want to try something else, do it, seriously
That was really nicely said, Kurt. I just tried this raid last night and I wasn't feeling it. But then, I haven't been feeling the game for about a year. I'm pretty much checked out of WoW. It's sad.
THIS right here is why I always advocate for people to play multiple games. That way if you ever run into a situation where you're not having fun then you can just calmly stop playing that game and go do something else. The bottom line for me is that games should be fun and if you're not having fun on at least some level then stop playing it immediately because time is something that you can't get back and as you get older you realize that you have less and less of it to spend on fun things so it becomes really important not to dilute that time with things that aren't fun or relaxing or enjoyable in some way shape or form.
No, WoW is the only game I will *EVER* play, the day WoW dies I’ll stop playing video games as no game will ever even come *CLOSE* to this masterpiece of a game
To some extent I feel like he's been burned out on the game and the fact that there are fresh alternatives to wow currently adds to the dread of grinding your balls off for crap rewards. A lot of us are feeling it.
This is what toxic clueless game development leads to. I don’t even feel bad for blizzard either because they show time and time again they just don’t give a fuck
I can't stop playing WOW that's why I just decided to play private servers. Not only do I not have to pay blizzard, I can play Mist of Pandaria with a big and fun guild without worries.
Over the years, MMOs have just added far too many mechanics to boss encounters. You fight mechanics not a boss. I officially burned out on Wow raiding in Legion, it is a damn puzzle game at this point where you only directly attack the boss for a minute out of a 5-6 minute encounter.
He has done this for so long that he is apologizing to himself for wanting to leave. This is really sad to watch. He probably has years of gametime and collectibles he is attached to on the character.
Yeah I also had this favorite-old-mmorpg years ago where I spent almost a decade playing. But at some point I had a reality check and told myself "I'm not enjoying this anymore", so I quit at tried different things. It was hard at the beginning, like a toxic relationship, but eventually you realize it was the right choice.
John Maco I understand and respect that you acknowledged you were no longer enjoying the game and quit. Many people can’t face that after so long. I had my own epiphany a few years ago while playing Star Trek Online and I realised that the endless grind, chores, time gating and money extraction had sucked most the fun out it. I wasn’t enjoying it so I quit and was happier for it.
And people were raging at me for telling him the only reason he keeps playing is a sunk cost fallacy. The game sucks. The dev team sucks. Everybody worth a shit at the company left already thanks to Bobby Kotick. Everything in WoW is a boring slog of a grind. I'm disappointed in myself for even consuming this WoW content right now, but it's like watching a slow train wreck and it's very hard to look away.
The raid doesn’t look horrible, but I think raids are only enjoyable when you’re trying it with a guild or friends, trying to push the raid tiers and gear up, etc. But just coming back to WoW just to do one raid with a bunch of random people who are likely not geared does not seem fun at all.
@ramblingsofaweirdo True, I mean what's the point of having 3 difficulties if none of them are puggable. Setting up a team for raiding when everybody leaves the game is already hard enough. Wiping because one chimp out of 20 people does stupid things is not super fun. IMO wow should either do hard content with fewer people or easy content with many people.
@@jayce8978 Why not both? FFXIV and GW2 are doing it, and ESO too some..."certain extent". And regarless of their gameplay culture differences, they trying to carter to both casual and hardcore players by giving them raids of different difficulty, a centralissed endgame tokens what you can use in every expansion, a less punishing pvp and a good PVE like plot progression, is not only hjelping them but also flourishing while WOW bleeds uncontrollably. There is a difference between a game whgat punishess you for mistakes but rewards you for learning the gameplay and even explain it to you, and a game what is a glorified ARCADE game what to punishess you regarless of what you do. WOW seems to be stuck in the last.
i quit beginning of shadowlands because my guild wasnt pushing mythic and i couldnt get pugs even with a 92 parse a heroic sire.. so the point is very valid, i use to only run with my guild on my main and pug my alts and sum weeks i looked forward to pugging my alts but my boy... it aint worth it hopefully WoW 2 gets started by an enthusiast or sum. i miss wotlk and cata days fr take me back 😩
@@josetapia9714 Normal in FFxiv is LFR in WoW, so they do have a puggable mode. Savage is dogshit to pug, it's like trying to pug heroic. And PvP in FFxiv is absolute dogshit lol. Gw2 new expac has no raids. Idk about ESO.
The whole thing about everyone going horde reminded me of the vision Garrosh brought us to in the mythic fight where the city of Stormwind was in ruin and the alliance leaders were all dead. This is a good symbolism to what the game has and is going through. The alliance has fallen victim to the very same fate the game portrayed many years ago.
Ive been Horde my whole life (PvPr, WoD sucked, everyone was alliance lol) but since 9.2.5 has crossplay, i might make my feral a night elf for the free vanish/reset
@@Convescation I'm really excited for Cross faction gameplay. I got myself a group of level 30 twinks and we plan on doing a bunch of the raids together and dungeons. Really hope it helps with max level play as well.
@@Noobie2k7 " I mean since Vanilla the Horde have been the only faction that ever got anything done. It's why I like them. Alliance are just full of little soy boy nerds. Even with Varian..." Oh for a second there I thought you were talking about the players hahaha.
Not true. We all owe them our undivided attention, time and money. Cus they made such an amazing game that's not frustrating and developed solely for the 1% of their hardcore playerbase. Right?
I remember when people thought this expansion would be good when it first launched. I was one of those people. I liked the new zones and actually enjoyed their stories.(Revendreth had a great story imo) And then SEVEN MONTHS after launch, 9.1 came out, and it pretty much scrapped any lore or decent ideas for: "Jailer bad, Sylvanas good," and not only ruined the potential of this expansion, but also screwed up the almost the entire lore of the game. Then the allegations at Acti/Blizz came out, and I went on a long hiatus until I briefly checked out 9.2. It has cool water effects, and that's it. It feels rushed, empty, and bland. I don't have much desire to dedicate dozens of hours of my time to even have a shot at getting in the raid. So congrats Blizz, you basically used every terrible idea that you could've conceived, and ruined not only this expansion, but severely damaged the lore of all of Warcraft and most likely ruined the game's future. Yes, I know this is a lot of text.
isnt it like this for the last dacade , first an expansion starts with big promisses , which mostly fall apart 4-12 months later , cause nothing is really though trought and then they get abonded and forgotten .
The ending was actually really sad. Despite being a video game, it's obvious we all invest a large part of ourselves into accounts/characters. We literally form a bond with the game, and when we realize we truly do not care about it anymore, that is when we know the ship has sailed.
Very well said. I was so attached to the game and my MM Hunter and I knew my ship had sailed when 9.2 came out and I didn’t care and don’t think I’ll even go back for 10.0. No more emotion left in me for WoW.
@@BetterThenU92 It's better to form a bond with the game than to have an actual life like a Chad. What are you gonna do? Get a high paying tech job, get a hot Colombian girlfriend that you fuck in the hot tub in Vegas while snorting the best coke west of the Mississippi? Who are you kidding here? Killing noobs in the Warsong gulch is so much better than anything you can do in life.
@@LennyDykstra1 I was watching someone on twitch play maplelegends which is v.83 I think, and… very nostalgic but it does not look as fun as when I was 12, it would probably be another situation of classic wow where it gets played super hard for awhile and then is dead
"I'll quit the game before i swap factions if they make that a requirement to play" Cant believe Asmon is finally quitting WoW! He's suffered long enough.
I can relate. To this day I'm still playing the exact same character I made the very first day I started WoW in Vanilla as my main. I have alts, but I always want to progress my main character through the main storyline, collect all the different things on that character, even for things that are account-wide. I see that character's progress as my progress in the game.
Kinda, yeah and no. The emotional investment i have in my FF14 character is way bigger than the one i have on my paladin/druid/priest/rogue, my 4 characters that switch between main and alt, well used to, in every expansion. Especially the priest and paladin that were my first characters back in 2008, but i race change, faction change, and another change if i can to those mf. Im not saying you cant invest in your WoW character, i know a lot can like asmon and his human male warrior, but in wow a lot of people, i'll say the mayority don't give two shits about that, and the ones who care, do care more about faction that character. At least that's base on my experience and players i knew in these years
I get this feeling so much. I just quit WoW after thirteen years simply because there was nothing appealing to me about it anymore. Systems replaced gameplay, the setting doesn't feel connected to Azeroth, and the lore sucks ass. But I still keep watching wow videos because I still love the game. I just don't want to play it, and it makes me sad.
I think the worst part of this all - is that you put so much effort into killing the boss dealing with wipes and not getting any item drop for your class.
That fucking mentality is killing every mmo..players like you feel entitled to getting their gear on a golden plate..back then you could go weeks without a single item..also new players suck mechanic wise
The best part is that even though , yes, you can do that boss second - most actual groups don't even consider it the second boss. They could have gone to Dausegne which is way easier. That being said though - Prototype would probably have wiped them too.
All that changed is Asmon gained context. He played stuff that wasn’t wow and saw how different they are and how much less padding they have. Less trash, food buffs staying up after death, not having to run back to the boss, not having to play multiple hours per week just to keep up, getting from A to B not taking forever, the list goes on. Lost Ark, FF14, and every other game he’s played recently haven’t had any of these problems and now that he’s dealing with them again he realizes how shitty and unfun they are Edit, spelling
That's pretty much it. WoW's lagging in QoL features that once you've played the games that have those, it really becomes noticeable going back to WoW.
Research the bosses would've done the difference. Its really not that complex man. He goes in blind just as 80% of the rest, and get mad when its actually challenging when you dont know what's going on... cry baby
Good games don't have Hamster Wheels or keep them to a minimum, obfuscate them enough and most importantly make them fun. Modern MMOs make zero effort in those regards and much like all of the shitty business practices being put on people in the greater society, we seem to be collectively waking up to some of them.
@@DanielKlierP I don't know man, maybe it's because I'm coming from FFXIV, but you don't need to research a normal raid boss there. The fight is designed to make you understand and learn what to do on the fly. Even if you wipe once or twice, you should be good on the third attempt, and even that is a stretch. I don't understand why you should have to research what to do on normal difficulty.
@@Rytom never played Final Fantasy and never will. But watching most of these wow content creators nowadays just whining for sport, is just ridiculous, while actively anticipating to fail because it makes for better content
If he goes Horde he WILL quit 100%. That's what happened with me after playing on alliance since Vanilla. You stop caring once you change your character like that, it's never the same.
You owe WoW nothing man. You got here because people enjoy watching you, not the game. You’ve proven this by being able to play so many different games or by doing “just talks”. Play what you want to play, you’ve got every right to enjoy your time.
Asmon's commitment to Alliance is heartwarming in the most tragic way possible. I love that he shows such genuine appreciation for a non-mechanical aspect of the game, is just an emotional aspect and is by far one of the hugest factors in the enjoyment of the game... This is the kind of stuff that makes one realize when things aren't fun anymore
Honestly this isn't even an advertisement for playing Horde, this is advertisement for not playing WoW period. All that effort for some fucking currency LOL.
If I wanna watch, I watch, sometimes I wait for a vod or youtube, and sometimes I'm just not interested in watching. I'm hype AF for him to get back to FF, but I'm still having fun watching the 9.2 highlights.
I don't play WoW, never have, have no intention to. That being said, the biggest content creator in the game quitting a brand-new pinacle endgame activity is fucking brutal. Bad look for WoW/Bliz at the moment.
He kind of already quit. This wasn't really a coming back to WoW. This was just a show to put on for the audience. Which is fine, but he already did his big quit WoW when he stepped away from it entirely for FF14 / New World / Lost Ark / Elden Ring. Maybe he will truly come back for 10.0, or maybe he's done with WoW for good. Either way is fine.
"I dont play and know nothing of the game but here's my hot take" The entitlement of people that know nothing of the source material to share thier opinion is unbelieveable
Losing WoW will mean losing a big part of his past, including many memories of the recently deceased. There's more to it than simply losing in a raid. But, Asmon is resilient and he will prosper. Much respect to you, sir.
@@Trakesh of course not, but as silly as it might sound to some people, WoW has been to Asmon a big comfort place he can always escape to, and its been like that for over 15 years. Everyone would feel lost when you loose something so dear to you after such a long time... he can always come back, WoW isnt going anywhere, but its never going to be the same, and I think he finally started realizing that.
I think for a lot of people, not just Asmon, trying out other games like XIV, Lost Ark, and Elden Ring has given some much-needed perspective. All of us were so bonded to WoW, so invested in our characters, that we were willing to overlook all of the game's flaws because we had conditioned ourselves to feel like the endless grind for gear, rating, or whatever was fun. But then we stepped away for a moment. Tried other games with different standards for "fun". And many of us realized we *weren't* actually having fun playing WoW. I think that realization, and the advent of multiple other true competitors in the MMORPG field (as opposed to MMOFPS like Destiny or OW, or MOBAs like LoL), is the reason that so many of us have finally given up on WoW. It's not a failing on our part. It's just... the evolution of the genre, long overdue.
I'm right there with him. Part of me wants to log in and play, but when I actually sit down to do it...I just don't care. It's just not fun. So I log off and play something else, or play nothing at all, and I end up having a better time. Zack, dude, go play games you enjoy, man. Seriously.
I bought shadow land and got a refund first day. I got all excited sat down and exactly what’s asmon said, I don’t care. This coming from a mythic healer
Played 10 years and stopped playing right after corthia came out. It really makes no sense to force yourself to play something that doesn't make you happy and where you have more things to critic than to praise. It's literally like an abusive relationsship where blizzard treats him like trash, but he's still attached because of the good memories with this game. I really hope he continues playing and trying out more games and not spending 1000 of hours into one game, because that never ends well.
It was that way for me for about a month. Finally got invincible, midnight and the fiery warhorse and hung on a little longer just because all those years felt like such a waste. I finally had them. I wanted to play until I logged on. Then I found myself jumping around orbios for an hour and getting off. Ended up paying more attention to the TV. It sucks.
It's honestly heartbreaking seeing Zack like this. He's a good guy that genuinely loves the game and at that moment he probably felt crushed by the way something you truly care about has been ruined with complete disregard for years. He looked very lost and saddened towards the end... I hope he feels better soon, luckily his audience (us from UA-cam included!) follow him for his personality. I myself tried WoW only two to three months in BFA (tanking, so not exactly a nice and friendly experience) but let go because of all the pressure of a veteran unforgiving playerbase and all the catchup I had to do if I wanted a shot at raiding.
I wonder if he’d benefit from visiting DesignerDave’s UA-cam channel on the fourth AMA. He used to work on Warcraft 3 but Reforged as a contractor. He gives out a good take on the status of Blizzard now.
Oh I joined and quit around the same as you but instead played warlock, used a free boost that came with bfa and went to farm rep to unlock void/forged dranae, tried to do story but was so lost towards it, did enjoy the maps. Some of the dungeons were fun though whenever we wipe once everyone just disbanded, liked the pvp though, nothing amazing but was fun when i tried it.
@@be4st856 I did, I went for a troll hunter to grind rep and then switched to a zandalari warrior c: Had a decent Heart of Azeroth and such, but still felt way subpar.
I've personally never played wow despite loving Warcraft 3, but even I feel how sad this is. When McConnell is bringing up Wildstar, or how they can't raid properly on Alliance, that just feels awful. I hope wow can get its shit together, because this just feels bad.
I don't know, to me it feels like a bit of an end to the story. The Orcish Horde wins. The Barbarians won. The Future of Azeroth is kodo leather, bones and dancing around the campfire to the elements forever.
If the game isn't easy people moan if the game is easy people moan, don't like it don't play it and stop making money off it with content. Sick of people bashing and jumping on the bandwagon.
I'm literally only still playing wow because of how invested I am. Playing since vanilla with no idea how much better it could be. It's just boring, I never knew what I was missing thinking "This is how it's always been! This is WoW!" Then I play other mmos and their daily stuff is just so much more enjoyable and the weekly stuff is done in an 1 to three hours tops. I actually like doing mythic+ but doing the same ones +1510 times every week is just exhausting. I don't want to do it anymore.
Then don't. I don't want to sound like an asshole but if you just don't stop when nobody is forcing you to play then just shut up. I literally... *literally* saw the writing on the wall of wow back at the end of WOTLK. Wow for me ended there.
Please don't force yourself to play, try out new games. After playing wow for 10 years i stopped because i literally felt the same way. Try different genres, i started playing genshin and have been enjoying it. But please don't stay attached to something that doesn't make you happy and where the only good thing about it are the past memories with it.
yup almost every fight mechanic boils down to group moves like this you dont get many interesting mechanics for each person and not even very many mechanics that split the raid up to move around all just zerg and group.
You can tell there is pain in his eyes, He is planning on doing something he does not want to do for a game he loved and hated over the years. Just like anyone else who has invested a ton of time into the game having a ton of memories with friends and family, he "could" be planning to unsub entirely. A part of him does not want to do that, because there is some sentimental value in the game he has put a ton of time into. is he hopeful that something "could" save WoW's Bleak future? Maybe. Who knows he may have already found a game to fall back on and make some new memories with, and it may be the best choice he made.
this is the good ending the players for years have told the devs exactly what it is they like and all the things they dont like asmongold leaving because he simply doesnt want to play the game is perfect we dont have to do blizzard's work anymore they were done listening, we are done playing sayanora
I also think that because asmond had a feel for lost arks raids where you wipe at least your at the boss door rather then either rerun the whole instance or travel back. So its probably all the quality of life small mechanics is just nice.
Now I know why they're doing cross faction raids. Not because it's fun and players have requested it a long time, but because only horde can progress in raids
I really think him getting perspective on other games is what has affected this, primarily his time raiding in FF but even in Lost Ark stuff. Like in FF, there's only 8 people in a raid so it's less chances that one person will wipe everyone. And then on top of that, downtime after a wipe in FF is like 30 seconds at most before you're back in again. Very rarely is it longer, like if you wipe in a dungeon and have to walk back from the 2nd boss room. It's not a big deal if #7 in your group wipes everyone, because you just go into another attempt immediately. That and it's generally less stressful too, since there's unlimited b-rezzing as long as the people that can do it have the MP to do so. It means a death isn't a complete failure, and you get to continue playing and learn rather than die and just sit there watching while you feel like shit. Where as in WoW, there's 15-30 people. Each one possibly being able to do a mechanic incorrectly and either killing others, dying themselves, or just flat out wiping the whole thing. And then if it does happen, that's like 5 min wasted just getting back to the boss, rebuffing, making sure everyones topped up and ready and then finally going again. I feel like he knows just how time wasting WoW raiding is, and learned he doesn't care for it anymore.
Raiding in WoW is hard because of it yeah, you need at least 10 people who are good and have the time to go ape and learn mechanics, then there is the whole downtime of reclearing trash or running for 5 minutes to get back to the boss and rebuffs. Not to say it's easy in FFXIV tho, because I've been in 3 guilds there and I haven't gotten s single group that deals high enough damage to go through dps checks. There are also people who become too reliant on the more relaxed approach to raiding and they keep repeating "next time we'll get it" but never learn, and when they learn the mechanics they have an awfully bad rotation and the failed attempt takes twice as long, discouraging them and making them have a "whatever" or defeated attitude. Hell, I refused to use dps meters and raid logs, until I did out of frustration, just to realize me and the other guy who came from WoW and played for 4 months, were the best dps and least damage taken. We both got purple numbers, while the guys leader was on the blue and the rest of the raid didn't even get to green...
@Cyro-Nydd For now it will, basically the way it works is that every even patch they will provide a new raiding tier. and every odd patch they will provide a new alliacne raid. Between these, usually in a X.Y.5 patch they might provide a new upgrade to your relic weapon. Which may include raids in of themselves (Baldesion Arsenal/Delubrum Reginae)
Difficulty=/=punishing design. XIV raids are difficult, especially ultimate. XIV raids are not punishing you and artificially wasting your time, you fuck up? good. Learn from it and pull again within seconds, new pull = new you.
"Is this the best the alliance has to offer" wow i actually feel offended by what i had to see there this is not alliance or horde this was just bad players blaiming the raid instead of themselves
I felt this super hard with Ark: Survival Evolved. I played that game for several years in online PvP and PvE and I would be on for 12-18 hours a day, glued to the game, putting off holidays and everything to play the game but over time I kept getting more and more frustrated with all the problems with the games, the bugs, the glitches, the crashes and how insanely grindy and punishing the experience was made worse by an even worse community. At a certain point though you wake up one morning and think to yourself the shit isn't worth it anymore. You get tired of it. You get tired of sitting around crafting thousands and thousands of rounds for turrets that will be mesh wiped the next day in under 15 minutes. You get tired of farming tens of thousands of ingots every day, thousands of element, hundreds of thousands of wood and coal and thatch and berries just for fucking maintenance. You get tired of spending hours and days and weeks breeding and raising one batch of dino's for a single damage buff or a single stam level and shit after wasting months of dead babies to get that one buff then to take one of them five steps and watch them get deleted by anti mesh the day before your base gets meshed again. You get sick of working to have fun and forcing yourself to enjoy a game that defies you to enjoy it. There comes a time where it just isn't worth the time or effort it takes to get to the points to have that fun in first place until one day you are in the middle of getting meshed and you look at your tribe mates and just peace the fuck out. And when they ask you why you simply tell them, "Why should I settle for dog shit when I can have pancakes?" And go play something else that lets you actually have some fucking fun. I have no love for Blizzard after how they crushed every one of my childhood franchises that were so special to me growing up but I take no pleasure in seeing Asmon like this with any game period because, maybe I'm a parasocial andy, but it reminds me of how I was with Ark and it just makes me super uncomfortable and feel real shitty.
@@Annatar_Lord_of_Gifts Yeah if you wanted to play seriously that was the minimum required daily time. If you weren't putting that time in you were a Bob.
@@mysticroots94 You have a point except = normal. Many of us here think that most of WoW raiding has become too complex to be fun. Just a puzzle with no engagement. More like solving a problem at work than a puzzle. LFR should be a joke, or not exist preferably. Normal should be steamroll for players such as Asmon (veterans) and Heroic should be the highest difficulty being at about the level it is now. Remove some addon-reliant complexity still though.
@@MrZeuz666 imo you should not be able to steam roll thru a raid on day one even on normal. especially with a pug while you have put in zero effort. asmon could of 100% put together a legit raid team that could beat it he did zero preparation theres zero communication he put zero effort in and when you do that you will get only one result that is failure
Editors, congrats on your hard work, you’ve earned the 1m subs. I love your posts, especially these 1 hour ones, I work from home so it’s gets boring real fast, I pop open one of these videos on my second monitor (as if I’m popping a cassette tape into my Walkman) and my day is made better. Thank you, and thank you Asmongold for the streams.
The person that said FFXIV changed Asmon resonated with me massively. I too found after doing some FFXIV before 8.3 came out that I just didn’t really care about raiding anymore. I wanted to quest, I wanted to build other jobs, I wanted to fix up my FFXIV apartment…but WoW raiding just felt wrong. It was like my time elsewhere just showed me what WoW is missing & has lost.
Weird random thought but watching my parents get old made me realize time was so short. I couldn't raid anymore I knew I had maybe 30 years left. I played long enough and most normies would think I am a loser. Can't imagine spending rest of my 20 good years playing raiding in WoW. I want to go to my dads future funeral and be like "I did something IRL and I am a decent person and this is my experience with my dad". I don't want to shame my father by being a 50 year old WoW player and part time worker. I need to start now to become the man I need to be.
@@ira233 Funnily enough, that added to the stereotype around Alliance players on the servers I was on. The stereotype was that the Alliance was full of little kids who made their characters adult versions of themselves, leading to an excess of humans. Meanwhile the Horde player base tended to be older and played out there stuff.
Imagine being under geared (not prepared) for the content, not being in a guild and random pugging a new raid with shitters, where no one knows the mechs, then getting upset youre not doing well. What did he expect? Gotta walk before you can fly.
I understand that some people don’t enjoy wow like they use to anymore, but Asmon set himself up for failure by trying to raid day one new content with shitters that did not research any of the mechanics nor prepared at all. It also doesn’t help he’s playing a dead faction atm when it comes to raiding/pve content. If asmon is wanting to raid and not stress out every pull he’s gotta make changes himself to get there.
This one hits differently. I grew up playing WoW on a pvp server as Horde, and I learned to absolutely despise the typical scumbag types that played Alliance. But now, I just feel really really bad for the Alliance, there's like nobody left. I mean, I won't play until the game looks like it values fun and the time of its playerbase, but my heart goes out to anyone still playing - especially if they're playing Alliance.
Well... the guy went in with all random people and nobody knew any single mechanic from the bosses. What do you expect? Yesterday I did Normal with my guild as a 25man and we literally destroyed the whole normal difficulty, we stopped at anduin. It only took us like 2-5 tries depending the boss (Halondrus and Xy'mox the most difficult ones). The raid looks gorgeous and the fights are fun to me. It's totally better than SoD. This is an end expansion raid, it's supposed to have some sort of difficulty. I do agree tho that 20man raids are awful and would rather have back 10man raid.
I mean not everybody has guild I guess. Normal people have to group up with randoms. Its kinda fucked up that you have to know the fight before entering it, why even doing it then? Thats the general problem with Mmo's tho. Having seen a guide is the perquisite of raids in Mmo's is generally bad game design and anyone who says otherwise is just delusional.
@@niksolu In my guild nobody saw a single guide, only our raid leader and he just explained us all what we have to do in the fight. Most fights we did 2-3 tries and some others like Xy'mox or Halondrus 6-7 tries so yea we just get used to the mechanics with only an explanation and not seeing any video. Asmon raid was just a bunch of viewers, probably very undergeared too.
I genuinely feel bad for asmon. Everyone likes to joke about how shit WoW is and everyone including him has really not much to talk about besides how everything has gone wrong, he still care about and loves the game and it can wear you down when everyone around you seems to hate it, again and again forced to change decisions he has made, time and effort invested into his char and when the faction system has to break down in order to get content or even do the content he enjoys he is forced into a decision he doesn't want, at that point its not a decision. This mmo tribalism doesnt help matter because people are overjoyed at the thought of WoW dying and seeing people so excited to watch your world die, this whole situation really sucks.
I kinda went through the phase Asmon is going through right now back during wrath. I noticed i enjoyed the 10 man raids a lot more than the 25 mans because the 10 man group that i was a part of consisted of the 10 best players in the guild and you rarely felt that you had your time wasted due to people just being bad, i later quit raiding entirely during early cata. I used to play a lot of dota too but i quit that as well for the same reason. These days i mostly stick to single player and 1v1 games, i just don't want to deal with teammates anymore lol.
I think most of us here would be fine with more difficult raids if it didn't take so damn long to get back to the boss for another attempt AND If there was actually other interesting and compelling content in the game. The vast majority of the content now in the game is only raiding and it just gets incredibly frustrating and boring after doing it over and over and over again.
Just quit the game and not reward blizzard by giving them even more money for faction transfer because the faction unbalance is their fault for a decade of shitting on the alliance in-game and out of game. No wonder people don't wanna play the faction thats a joke to the Devs and once you hit a critical mass it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Sad legacy...
"I Will Never Serve" says Sylvanas, who died defending her homeland from Arthas, who was the thrall of Zoval, whom she willingly served since the moment Arthas died, and during that service helped Zoval create a new version of Arthas, to help Zoval fulfill the mission that Arthas was trying fulfill for him when he killed Sylvanas. Yeah. Okay, Sylv. You will never serve. We believe you. Her *entire existence as a person* is a complete fucking joke at this point.
This does not mean its bad. Just means he is burnt out. You cant expect to beat a raid immediately when it comes out. I love asmon but he contradicts everything he loves/hates. If it was easier he would complain about that as well. If he wants better he needs to play with better players competitively again.
Asmongold is being carried for a long time. He is just soft because he could not found 260ilvl people to carry him when he is a low damage player(undergeared). You can see all past raids and content and see it for yourself. And of course he is pugging what do you expect.
"WoW's new raid is SO BAD" well to be fair, he went in there with literally zero idea of what the bosses did and 'learnt' the mechanics from the TL:DR summaries in the dungeon journal, on top of that he did it with a PUG group who he chose based solely on their item level which is not indicative of skill or accomplishment anymore and just expected to one-shot everything? What happened was the most likely outcome 🤷♂️
I had the same thoughts. I fight for the Alliance in times when everybody else is turning theyre backs to us, show that the alliance is the true power. But i dont find m+ groups to progress anymore, and im not thaaat high. Its really annoying to search half an hour for a dungeon thats done in almost the same time.
Well this shows kids grow and they got bored play with a human paladin or elf hunter. They either went to Horde or they quit the game. Thats the reall power of the alliance.
Man who cares about progress? Fuck gear, fuck raids and all of that, the most important thing is that we keep on roleplaying as alliance. Fuck the horde, yeah they can clear raids and progress their characters but fuck it, when the game finally dies, ill be able to say "i paid $15 a month so i can RP as an alliance instead of switching to horde to beat content" /s
this is the first time in 10+ years I didnt even know raid was releasing. even when I quit, I always followed the scene, check wowprogress every second and watch WF race. this time it just feels different. blizz banked on people playing this game no matter what they ship, but now with lost ark, poe, elden ring, ff14; I dont even think about wow, I dont get that itch
You are literally commenting on a video about the new wow raid only hours after it was posted which itself was posted only hours after said raid was released...
We're still talking about characters like Arthas, Illidan and Garrosh decades later. Other than the few lore pros who still give a shit, who the fuck is going to be talking about Zovaal even six months into the next expac?
Dude, my guild and I bailed the moment we got AotC on Denathrius and I have felt _zero_ compulsion to log back into this game. For me it was a mountain of things. I'm sick of systems being built for an expansion and then abandoned, I'm sick of Blizzard's sjw/puritan mentality creeping into the game, I'm sick of the brain-dead Monday morning cartoon writing, I'm sick of grinding for weeks only for what I'm grinding for to be made irrelevant by a patch, I'm sick of arbitrary restrictions placed on guilds; It's all so predictable and I'm just over it. I don't regret the time I've spent or the memories I've made in this game since 2005, but I'm absolutely willing to make new ones in better games.
Honestly kind of felt similar after re-subscribing for 9.2 after a 9 month break. I dont think anything in 9.2 is necessarily bad its just the same old stuff. I just feel like WoW needs an overhaul, something new to really get me excited to play again.
Hey asmon. Real quick i know its a longshot you see this. You and McConnell keep my depression at bay. You guys together and alone have helped me through hours of tears and loneliness. So thank you both for your time and entertainment
Stay strong, fam. I don't know if you struggle with suicidality, like I used to, but I hope you're able to find the roots of your issues that cause you to be depressed, and are able to lead a happy life one day.
@@Demilak ( TW ) at one point yes I tried. Im not that person anymore im still a broken man. I just find the laughs and community and comments to be heart warming and some of them just help me keep my mind off things for a while
@@teamspeak9374 damn i just saw this dude. Thats some serious advice and thank you. Once my leg heals im gonna try and get consistent with showing up, even when i dont wanna go. Im excited to do it for me this time and i wish you the best thanks 🧡
Not the players to carry Asmon and McChimp like every other raid release, Toys thrown out the playpen like spoilt brats. Maybe the Alliance players have had enough carrying them both and being spoken at like dirt for too many years and they have switched or quit. You look at other streamers and most do a little homework on a new raid. Asmon does nothing and expects everyone else to carry him and McChimp is no different.
Raiding does suck if you want to take it seriously but aren't willing to put in the effort to build the ideal roster. Asmon is raiding with random people (ok he knows a handful of them) and a random setup. Raiding was the most fun back when we had an optimized setup and the servers strongest players on every role. Getting such a group together takes hundreds of hours, but that's what you gotta do.
i was thinking the same. this man has stuck with them through the worst. they finally fucked up to the point that the all star streamer who got big off of their game has little to no interest in it anymore. this made me want to cry man, following asmon for so long and knowing his history with it you could tell he felt that shit in his heart. i wanted to hug him. luckily he's far larger than the game and im excited to see even more games in the future he will jump into.
I stopped playing a month after 9.0. I just found myself much like asmon here, I was just so uninterested in the story and couldn't really find a way to bring myself to care about it. It just felt hollow and that I was wasting my time, its a bad feeling. I still havent gone back, I could care less about 9.2 and the weeks worth of content it has. Lost ark is way more enjoyable currently, as is FFXIV, Elden ring, Valorant, League, Dota, CS, Arceus, etc. Im glad asmon decided not to force himself to play and is beginning to not let himself stress about it, because its honestly not worth it. Mcool said it best - "who are you apologizing to? you want to play something else and everyone in your chat wants you to play something and enjoy it"
Its kind of odd, and sad to me, but for different reasons. The situation is a bit reverse for me. I havent played WoW seriously since the beginning of MoP. I had a great guild and we got super serious in Cataclysm about heroic raiding, it was a great time and i was literally doing world first ranks for DPS warrior constantly. We all memed together and were really good, despite having relatively moderate raiding times during progress limited to 3-4 days a week, we were like world top 50-100. In the first raid of MoP we were still killing it and having fun, although i didnt like the changes they made to my class i was still doing high world ranks. We had two people on our group that were constantly dying and making mistakes, it started to really annoy me (i can feel Asmon on that part) and everybody knew it especially when we went 10 man you could feel the weight of it, and it was starting to kind of affect us. These people then perma died and wiped us on that guild breaker boss with the sonar patterns on the floor (something with Vesir? forgot the name) and i got so burned out. I then had a cold and didnt raid for a few days, and i noticed something. I felt great having "so much free time". I noticed that it was just a genuine good feeling knowing i dont have to show up at that time for sure, before it felt almost like a job i had to go to to keep food on the table. It never occured to me to miss one raid even, even on farm for the most part. I couldnt go back. After a week i told my guild i think im done with raiding and will quit the game. My raid group and guild shortly after fell apart and quit. People told me i was kind of the glue keeping everybody together, which while i knew i was one of the best players on the team didnt think i had that much of a team impact since i was most of the time memeing instead of actually talking about other stuff (although i felt like had a genuine friendship bond with everybody). I felt bad about it and i was 0 interested in playing any other game. Wow had "ruined" them for me in that sense, so i knew i was gonna lose those people in my life which is exactly what happened slowly. Many of them sticked together to play other games or WoW casually from time to time, but i was never a gamer in that sense. Played consoles a lot as a kid but outside of hardcore WoW i was never a PC gamer. Some of them are still playing other games together now, and have even met in real life from what i can tell remotely with some group chats im still in but havent posted for years literally. Im fighting a severe sudden progressive illness for the last 3 years and i lost my family, friends, and potential future wife at the time and am now basically unable to work and have trouble getting medication and keeping a roof over my head, im not even 30 yet. I didnt expect any of this to happen and im fighting a lot of suicidal depression since i was such a disciplined, buff and enthusiastic person. My body and everything else in life is in shambles, and theres not much hope at this point. So i thought i will try some games to maybe distract myself a little bit. Everybody was shitting on WoW for years so while i dipped toes in in Legion i quickly noticed without my guild and people i know its not fun and stopped. So i tried FFXIV last year when everybody was hyping it. I dont like "realistic" art styles in games, i think they look bland and all alike, which is a big reason i didnt play other MMOs outside of WoW, but i gave it a shot since it was free for a while. In the beginning i kind of found it fun for like a month or two, but at some point i noticed it just wasnt it for me. I noticed im just playing because people rave about it, and the image streamers give is just not at all how my experience is. I have 0 community and nobody gives a shit about me, and i felt stressed doing group content because of my ill health - i became a real wuss. I stopped. Then recently everybody was freaking out over Lost Ark, and still do. I tried it. I loved the armor in the character creation screen, and loved how Paladin played in the class preview. Then learned you cant play it as DPS, its only viable as a support in any format of the game not even as casual. Was bummed, but still played as Gunbreaker for a while since i like beefy armor. I guess i had a bit of fun but i quickly noticed that it was even worse than with FFXIV for me, also with how unattainable many things are in free 2 play format etc. (not hating on the game, i just noticed that while i surprisingly loved the artstyle quickly i couldnt get past a week of playing). I spend more time in character creation than playing some days, since i like getting invested in my characters fantasy. It also felt insanely convoluted somehow especially in the interface. Anyway, i just cant play it anymore and its weird to me how people love the game but im happy for them. I wish i could do what these streamers are doing, but im just such an insignificant person npw who lost most of his former attracting and extroverted personality, from all the trauma and loss but also because a metaphorical existential sword is levitating above my head constantly and i spent most of my time trying to find a solution to impossible problems. A week ago i did it.... i thought you know this is gonna suck and you have no place here anymore, but i bought a month subscription to WoW out of desperation. I took a different approach this time. I treated it as a single player game and viewed leveling as the game, rather than something to get through. Making many alts with different looks and classes. It was really fun, and i cant stop thinking about how i wanna play more. I actually thoroughly enjoy the BfA leveling content. But everybody is so negative about the game to a reeally unseen extend in the gaming community. Like literally a tragedy that they need therapy and all. Although it doesnt effect my gameplay so much at this point anymore, it creeps into my newfound escapism and a bit of fun i have in my life right now. I know about all the scandals with Blizzard and the problems with the systems at max level and how they handled them poorly, but while i like Asmon i cant watch him play Lost Ark or something. Its literally so little entertaining to me. I think he should do what he wants to. But the WoW and Asmongold space was a little bit like a safe place for me to return to, only to now see that its all in ashes as well.
There's no point in WoW until 10.0 is revealed and the beta is out, that's when it'll be clear whether the next expansion is gonna be worth it or another bfa/shadowlands.
This was like watching someone go through therapy after a bad breakup.
You're not wrong 🤣
It has been like that with WoW players for the last decade
@dan I feel attacked. Chahahaha
I think that fits considering a lot of ex-WoW players have ex-girflriend syndrome.
Nah it is like going back to ex gf
Asmon: "Nobody dies here, okay? Nobody dies!"
McConnell: "I'm dead."
🤣🤣🤣😂
@22:11
McConnell always brings the pro...lol
@@1un4cy thats what ive heard lol
i had that warmode thing happen in the middle of the raid too. We did a boss fine, went to another boss and all of a sudden 2 people were in war mode and kept dying from no heals
Isnt that bug like in the game for a long time already? Think that one dungeon where you go back in time to rescue thrall from the camp it was also the case that warmode-friends couldnt get any heals and that was like 2 years ago the last time I touched the game.
@@cutetrapayaya5332 maybe, but its funny we both saw this glitch in this same raid today
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This happened to me about 6 months ago. My friend and I were spamming dungeons leveling alts and our healer said "turn off war mode I can't heal you" and we were both confused. He started getting aggressive towards us after we explained that we haven't had this problem before. So I put up a vote to kick him for being toxic. Instead they declined the vote and kicked my friend. So I pulled the whole dungeon, wiped them, and immediately left the group. Now that I know it's a bug I can be better prepared for these situations in the future. It would be nice to know if it's a problem with the healer trying to heal or the dps trying to be healed. But the only way to test that is to have it happen in a controlled environment. Either way, I don't run dungeons or raids with war mode on anymore.
@@wiseferret4745 you sound like the reason I quit wow. Literally going out of your way to beat toxic jackass
@@wiseferret4745 you had to press more buttons to vote kick the healer rather than just attempting to turn off war mode and see if it helped.
This means you literally worked harder to be difficult than you would've to just try to be a team player.
I am so happy for Asmon being able to just quit the game and play something else when he is in the mood.
I remember him being very anxious about whether his audience was able to enjoy him playing other games or not about 2 years ago,
that's what makes it so amazing to me that by now he understood that his viewers like to watch him, and not the content that he plays.
yea but he is a wow jew he will go back and if he doesnt than fuck em thats the only content he is good for
Man this hit me harder than I thought it would. The end of this sounded like a guy accepting that not only was his relationship with something over, but also his being shocked and saddened at how little it actually mattered for all he invested in it. I get it. Go to the fun my man. These are games and you owe neither them nor us anything. Enjoy your games. We'll show up.
How much DOES it really matter? As someone who never played much WoW, I'm not seeing any great reason to play one or the other faction outside of PvP and maybe some related lore...? Is it mainly just a nostalgia thing?
@@supertrexandroidx That's a pretty fair question. I mean it IS a game and that shouldn't matter much rationally. It should matter even less what faction one dug IN that game, but trust me the math is pretty different after 15 or so years of investment. Nostalgia is a big part of it, even for a simple nobody gamer like me. For somebody who also has a public presence defined by over a decade of investment into a thing he loved as a life all on its own, this was just a body-blow. It may not make much sense but it is a real emotional beating.
@@supertrexandroidx for me, I love night elves. My main has been a night elf druid the entire time I've been playing the game. I love their lore and Teldrassil is so nostalgic for me. IMO, an aspect of wanting to play a character comes down to if you like the aesthetic of the race first. That's just my opinion, but I dont see myself changing mains and loving my character as much as I love my first main.
I have been able to get high end achievements, but it is very hard if you do play alliance. There is no real reason that Horde has an advantage other than that good players play on that faction.
Look into the sunk cost fallacy. It's pretty relevant to this I think. It's a FALLACY at the end of the day. I also play league (stopped recently thank god) and people need to remember that the sunk cost fallacy can genuinely be crippling and rob you of your freedom.
If you want to try something else, do it, seriously
That was really nicely said, Kurt. I just tried this raid last night and I wasn't feeling it. But then, I haven't been feeling the game for about a year. I'm pretty much checked out of WoW. It's sad.
THIS right here is why I always advocate for people to play multiple games. That way if you ever run into a situation where you're not having fun then you can just calmly stop playing that game and go do something else. The bottom line for me is that games should be fun and if you're not having fun on at least some level then stop playing it immediately because time is something that you can't get back and as you get older you realize that you have less and less of it to spend on fun things so it becomes really important not to dilute that time with things that aren't fun or relaxing or enjoyable in some way shape or form.
you are absolutely right sir
100 fucking percent agree with this statement 👏 👌
Facts 🔥 Well said
No, WoW is the only game I will *EVER* play, the day WoW dies I’ll stop playing video games as no game will ever even come *CLOSE* to this masterpiece of a game
@@cmoney163 is this some copypasta??
To some extent I feel like he's been burned out on the game and the fact that there are fresh alternatives to wow currently adds to the dread of grinding your balls off for crap rewards. A lot of us are feeling it.
I always say, if you stop doing something for a while and try it again but don't enjoy it, you were doing it just out of habit and nothing else.
This is what toxic clueless game development leads to. I don’t even feel bad for blizzard either because they show time and time again they just don’t give a fuck
i have said this before the most amount of fun i had in WOW was in classic, retail is garbage.
I can't stop playing WOW that's why I just decided to play private servers. Not only do I not have to pay blizzard, I can play Mist of Pandaria with a big and fun guild without worries.
Over the years, MMOs have just added far too many mechanics to boss encounters. You fight mechanics not a boss. I officially burned out on Wow raiding in Legion, it is a damn puzzle game at this point where you only directly attack the boss for a minute out of a 5-6 minute encounter.
He has done this for so long that he is apologizing to himself for wanting to leave. This is really sad to watch. He probably has years of gametime and collectibles he is attached to on the character.
yeah his main has well over 2 years of played time
Yeah I also had this favorite-old-mmorpg years ago where I spent almost a decade playing. But at some point I had a reality check and told myself "I'm not enjoying this anymore", so I quit at tried different things.
It was hard at the beginning, like a toxic relationship, but eventually you realize it was the right choice.
John Maco I understand and respect that you acknowledged you were no longer enjoying the game and quit. Many people can’t face that after so long.
I had my own epiphany a few years ago while playing Star Trek Online and I realised that the endless grind, chores, time gating and money extraction had sucked most the fun out it. I wasn’t enjoying it so I quit and was happier for it.
And people were raging at me for telling him the only reason he keeps playing is a sunk cost fallacy. The game sucks. The dev team sucks. Everybody worth a shit at the company left already thanks to Bobby Kotick. Everything in WoW is a boring slog of a grind. I'm disappointed in myself for even consuming this WoW content right now, but it's like watching a slow train wreck and it's very hard to look away.
@@reeferrick2635 960 days last i checked 2 years ago...
The raid doesn’t look horrible, but I think raids are only enjoyable when you’re trying it with a guild or friends, trying to push the raid tiers and gear up, etc. But just coming back to WoW just to do one raid with a bunch of random people who are likely not geared does not seem fun at all.
@ramblingsofaweirdo True, I mean what's the point of having 3 difficulties if none of them are puggable. Setting up a team for raiding when everybody leaves the game is already hard enough. Wiping because one chimp out of 20 people does stupid things is not super fun.
IMO wow should either do hard content with fewer people or easy content with many people.
@@jayce8978 Why not both? FFXIV and GW2 are doing it, and ESO too some..."certain extent". And regarless of their gameplay culture differences, they trying to carter to both casual and hardcore players by giving them raids of different difficulty, a centralissed endgame tokens what you can use in every expansion, a less punishing pvp and a good PVE like plot progression, is not only hjelping them but also flourishing while WOW bleeds uncontrollably.
There is a difference between a game whgat punishess you for mistakes but rewards you for learning the gameplay and even explain it to you, and a game what is a glorified ARCADE game what to punishess you regarless of what you do. WOW seems to be stuck in the last.
i quit beginning of shadowlands because my guild wasnt pushing mythic and i couldnt get pugs even with a 92 parse a heroic sire.. so the point is very valid, i use to only run with my guild on my main and pug my alts and sum weeks i looked forward to pugging my alts but my boy... it aint worth it hopefully WoW 2 gets started by an enthusiast or sum. i miss wotlk and cata days fr take me back 😩
@@josetapia9714 Normal in FFxiv is LFR in WoW, so they do have a puggable mode. Savage is dogshit to pug, it's like trying to pug heroic. And PvP in FFxiv is absolute dogshit lol.
Gw2 new expac has no raids. Idk about ESO.
100% pluggable. Alliance players are just bad.
The whole thing about everyone going horde reminded me of the vision Garrosh brought us to in the mythic fight where the city of Stormwind was in ruin and the alliance leaders were all dead. This is a good symbolism to what the game has and is going through. The alliance has fallen victim to the very same fate the game portrayed many years ago.
Ive been Horde my whole life (PvPr, WoD sucked, everyone was alliance lol) but since 9.2.5 has crossplay, i might make my feral a night elf for the free vanish/reset
@@Convescation I'm really excited for Cross faction gameplay. I got myself a group of level 30 twinks and we plan on doing a bunch of the raids together and dungeons. Really hope it helps with max level play as well.
@@Noobie2k7 " I mean since Vanilla the Horde have been the only faction that ever got anything done. It's why I like them. Alliance are just full of little soy boy nerds. Even with Varian..."
Oh for a second there I thought you were talking about the players hahaha.
You owe Blizzard/Warcraft nothing. Find your own happiness.
Damn right.
The old Blizzard is long since dead and buried anyway.
No one works there that matters anymore. Its all new staff at this point.
Not true. We all owe them our undivided attention, time and money. Cus they made such an amazing game that's not frustrating and developed solely for the 1% of their hardcore playerbase. Right?
I remember when people thought this expansion would be good when it first launched. I was one of those people. I liked the new zones and actually enjoyed their stories.(Revendreth had a great story imo)
And then SEVEN MONTHS after launch, 9.1 came out, and it pretty much scrapped any lore or decent ideas for: "Jailer bad, Sylvanas good," and not only ruined the potential of this expansion, but also screwed up the almost the entire lore of the game.
Then the allegations at Acti/Blizz came out, and I went on a long hiatus until I briefly checked out 9.2.
It has cool water effects, and that's it. It feels rushed, empty, and bland. I don't have much desire to dedicate dozens of hours of my time to even have a shot at getting in the raid. So congrats Blizz, you basically used every terrible idea that you could've conceived, and ruined not only this expansion, but severely damaged the lore of all of Warcraft and most likely ruined the game's future.
Yes, I know this is a lot of text.
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I personally quit early in BFA, it's sad seeing the slow decay of WoW ever since Legion bringing the game back from it's (former) lowest point.
@@randomguy4781 You could swap out The Jailer for Bowser from the Mario games and you could take him equally as seriously.
isnt it like this for the last dacade , first an expansion starts with big promisses , which mostly fall apart 4-12 months later , cause nothing is really though trought and then they get abonded and forgotten .
Thats Steve Dalooser
The ending was actually really sad. Despite being a video game, it's obvious we all invest a large part of ourselves into accounts/characters. We literally form a bond with the game, and when we realize we truly do not care about it anymore, that is when we know the ship has sailed.
Very well said. I was so attached to the game and my MM Hunter and I knew my ship had sailed when 9.2 came out and I didn’t care and don’t think I’ll even go back for 10.0. No more emotion left in me for WoW.
Form a Bond with a game? Lmao loser
@@BetterThenU92 It's better to form a bond with the game than to have an actual life like a Chad. What are you gonna do? Get a high paying tech job, get a hot Colombian girlfriend that you fuck in the hot tub in Vegas while snorting the best coke west of the Mississippi? Who are you kidding here? Killing noobs in the Warsong gulch is so much better than anything you can do in life.
@@RedLineShortFilms why is she colombian tho
@@BetterThenU92 Sounds like some projection lmao
Asmon said it himself. “We’ll play the game, if it’s bad, we’ll complain about it and play something else then come back” it’s heartbreaking but true
For addicts maybe
@@borkguy I think for ppl that love not just WOW but any game that lost its fire. For me, it’s halo infinite
@@AjaxOutlaw i kind of feel that way about maplestory but like wow i would never come back to nexon/blizzard
@@borkguy lol dude maple story was all time special. I wish they would go back to a classic server pre Big Bang and pre pirate
@@LennyDykstra1 I was watching someone on twitch play maplelegends which is v.83 I think, and… very nostalgic but it does not look as fun as when I was 12, it would probably be another situation of classic wow where it gets played super hard for awhile and then is dead
"I'll quit the game before i swap factions if they make that a requirement to play" Cant believe Asmon is finally quitting WoW! He's suffered long enough.
the emotional investment to your character is insane in this game. its so hard to reroll and leave everything behind
I can relate. To this day I'm still playing the exact same character I made the very first day I started WoW in Vanilla as my main. I have alts, but I always want to progress my main character through the main storyline, collect all the different things on that character, even for things that are account-wide. I see that character's progress as my progress in the game.
Yeah honestly not that bad...
And a lot of people that actually change after a long time, stop caring about the game and end up just not playing anymore. I can relate.
Kinda, yeah and no. The emotional investment i have in my FF14 character is way bigger than the one i have on my paladin/druid/priest/rogue, my 4 characters that switch between main and alt, well used to, in every expansion. Especially the priest and paladin that were my first characters back in 2008, but i race change, faction change, and another change if i can to those mf.
Im not saying you cant invest in your WoW character, i know a lot can like asmon and his human male warrior, but in wow a lot of people, i'll say the mayority don't give two shits about that, and the ones who care, do care more about faction that character. At least that's base on my experience and players i knew in these years
no its really not that big of a deal anymore.
I get this feeling so much. I just quit WoW after thirteen years simply because there was nothing appealing to me about it anymore. Systems replaced gameplay, the setting doesn't feel connected to Azeroth, and the lore sucks ass. But I still keep watching wow videos because I still love the game. I just don't want to play it, and it makes me sad.
It happens the same to me...
29:02 mccool sounding like a seriously good friend trying his damndest to console his best friend. That's actually very sweet.
he's just trying his damndest to make him switch horde lol
Bench guy got a heart
Was very confusing
literal WoW therapist lol
@@josefcayos4026
You're goddamn right.
I think the worst part of this all - is that you put so much effort into killing the boss dealing with wipes and not getting any item drop for your class.
So much effort? He went in with a full pug group and did 0 preparation, didnt look at any tactics/mechanics. You're talking SHIT.
That fucking mentality is killing every mmo..players like you feel entitled to getting their gear on a golden plate..back then you could go weeks without a single item..also new players suck mechanic wise
this is effort for you? are you....dumb?
freaking kids think running a pug for 2 hrs and wiping a bit is effort, LFR raiders wtf
What's even worth, everything you learn and every loot you got, will expire in 3months time.
The best part is that even though , yes, you can do that boss second - most actual groups don't even consider it the second boss. They could have gone to Dausegne which is way easier. That being said though - Prototype would probably have wiped them too.
All that changed is Asmon gained context. He played stuff that wasn’t wow and saw how different they are and how much less padding they have. Less trash, food buffs staying up after death, not having to run back to the boss, not having to play multiple hours per week just to keep up, getting from A to B not taking forever, the list goes on. Lost Ark, FF14, and every other game he’s played recently haven’t had any of these problems and now that he’s dealing with them again he realizes how shitty and unfun they are
Edit, spelling
That's pretty much it. WoW's lagging in QoL features that once you've played the games that have those, it really becomes noticeable going back to WoW.
Research the bosses would've done the difference. Its really not that complex man. He goes in blind just as 80% of the rest, and get mad when its actually challenging when you dont know what's going on... cry baby
Good games don't have Hamster Wheels or keep them to a minimum, obfuscate them enough and most importantly make them fun. Modern MMOs make zero effort in those regards and much like all of the shitty business practices being put on people in the greater society, we seem to be collectively waking up to some of them.
@@DanielKlierP I don't know man, maybe it's because I'm coming from FFXIV, but you don't need to research a normal raid boss there. The fight is designed to make you understand and learn what to do on the fly. Even if you wipe once or twice, you should be good on the third attempt, and even that is a stretch. I don't understand why you should have to research what to do on normal difficulty.
@@Rytom never played Final Fantasy and never will. But watching most of these wow content creators nowadays just whining for sport, is just ridiculous, while actively anticipating to fail because it makes for better content
If he goes Horde he WILL quit 100%. That's what happened with me after playing on alliance since Vanilla. You stop caring once you change your character like that, it's never the same.
You owe WoW nothing man. You got here because people enjoy watching you, not the game. You’ve proven this by being able to play so many different games or by doing “just talks”.
Play what you want to play, you’ve got every right to enjoy your time.
creep up that asshole a bit more he might notice you
@@o0GodZila0o DAMN
@@o0GodZila0o It's called being supportive. Perhaps you should try it with someone at some point in your life.
Asmon's commitment to Alliance is heartwarming in the most tragic way possible. I love that he shows such genuine appreciation for a non-mechanical aspect of the game, is just an emotional aspect and is by far one of the hugest factors in the enjoyment of the game... This is the kind of stuff that makes one realize when things aren't fun anymore
Ha cringe
@@AL-ts6iv I know, that just makes it better
@@Kreiser_VII dont point its rude
Honestly this isn't even an advertisement for playing Horde, this is advertisement for not playing WoW period. All that effort for some fucking currency LOL.
I honestly don't care what asmon is playing I just like watching him and I know no matter what the game it'll always be entertaining
pretty much, man.
true
yeah, i mean he's like torturing himself by keep playing WoW. no wonder he's not having fun
Facts
If I wanna watch, I watch, sometimes I wait for a vod or youtube, and sometimes I'm just not interested in watching. I'm hype AF for him to get back to FF, but I'm still having fun watching the 9.2 highlights.
I don't play WoW, never have, have no intention to.
That being said, the biggest content creator in the game quitting a brand-new pinacle endgame activity is fucking brutal. Bad look for WoW/Bliz at the moment.
He kind of already quit. This wasn't really a coming back to WoW. This was just a show to put on for the audience. Which is fine, but he already did his big quit WoW when he stepped away from it entirely for FF14 / New World / Lost Ark / Elden Ring. Maybe he will truly come back for 10.0, or maybe he's done with WoW for good. Either way is fine.
"I dont play and know nothing of the game but here's my hot take"
The entitlement of people that know nothing of the source material to share thier opinion is unbelieveable
Pinacle end game? This is the most casual thing the game has to offer and he did it worse than half assed.
does this mean we can finally fire Ion?
Losing WoW will mean losing a big part of his past, including many memories of the recently deceased.
There's more to it than simply losing in a raid.
But, Asmon is resilient and he will prosper.
Much respect to you, sir.
"Losing WoW"? What? Is WoW going to grow legs and walk away?
His past is still his past. The memories will still be there. They won't go away.
@@Trakesh of course not, but as silly as it might sound to some people, WoW has been to Asmon a big comfort place he can always escape to, and its been like that for over 15 years. Everyone would feel lost when you loose something so dear to you after such a long time... he can always come back, WoW isnt going anywhere, but its never going to be the same, and I think he finally started realizing that.
@@pontus.andersson True, mmo loyalty is one of the most frustrating thing
@@pontus.andersson Memories of time spent having a good time with a game/friends is not the same as identifying with material objects.
I love how McConnell just tries to comfort Asmon and tell him they'll be just fine on Horde too. Such a wholesome friend ♥
I think for a lot of people, not just Asmon, trying out other games like XIV, Lost Ark, and Elden Ring has given some much-needed perspective. All of us were so bonded to WoW, so invested in our characters, that we were willing to overlook all of the game's flaws because we had conditioned ourselves to feel like the endless grind for gear, rating, or whatever was fun. But then we stepped away for a moment. Tried other games with different standards for "fun". And many of us realized we *weren't* actually having fun playing WoW.
I think that realization, and the advent of multiple other true competitors in the MMORPG field (as opposed to MMOFPS like Destiny or OW, or MOBAs like LoL), is the reason that so many of us have finally given up on WoW. It's not a failing on our part. It's just... the evolution of the genre, long overdue.
I'm right there with him. Part of me wants to log in and play, but when I actually sit down to do it...I just don't care. It's just not fun. So I log off and play something else, or play nothing at all, and I end up having a better time.
Zack, dude, go play games you enjoy, man. Seriously.
I bought shadow land and got a refund first day. I got all excited sat down and exactly what’s asmon said, I don’t care. This coming from a mythic healer
Played 10 years and stopped playing right after corthia came out. It really makes no sense to force yourself to play something that doesn't make you happy and where you have more things to critic than to praise. It's literally like an abusive relationsship where blizzard treats him like trash, but he's still attached because of the good memories with this game.
I really hope he continues playing and trying out more games and not spending 1000 of hours into one game, because that never ends well.
It was that way for me for about a month. Finally got invincible, midnight and the fiery warhorse and hung on a little longer just because all those years felt like such a waste. I finally had them.
I wanted to play until I logged on. Then I found myself jumping around orbios for an hour and getting off. Ended up paying more attention to the TV. It sucks.
It's honestly heartbreaking seeing Zack like this. He's a good guy that genuinely loves the game and at that moment he probably felt crushed by the way something you truly care about has been ruined with complete disregard for years.
He looked very lost and saddened towards the end... I hope he feels better soon, luckily his audience (us from UA-cam included!) follow him for his personality. I myself tried WoW only two to three months in BFA (tanking, so not exactly a nice and friendly experience) but let go because of all the pressure of a veteran unforgiving playerbase and all the catchup I had to do if I wanted a shot at raiding.
i think its time he moves on completely
I wonder if he’d benefit from visiting DesignerDave’s UA-cam channel on the fourth AMA. He used to work on Warcraft 3 but Reforged as a contractor.
He gives out a good take on the status of Blizzard now.
Oh I joined and quit around the same as you but instead played warlock, used a free boost that came with bfa and went to farm rep to unlock void/forged dranae, tried to do story but was so lost towards it, did enjoy the maps.
Some of the dungeons were fun though whenever we wipe once everyone just disbanded, liked the pvp though, nothing amazing but was fun when i tried it.
You should definitely try first as a dps
@@be4st856 I did, I went for a troll hunter to grind rep and then switched to a zandalari warrior c: Had a decent Heart of Azeroth and such, but still felt way subpar.
Thank you catdany for editing in relevant clips and text instead of doing the bare minimum. Channel would not be at 1 mil without you :)
I've personally never played wow despite loving Warcraft 3, but even I feel how sad this is. When McConnell is bringing up Wildstar, or how they can't raid properly on Alliance, that just feels awful. I hope wow can get its shit together, because this just feels bad.
I don't know, to me it feels like a bit of an end to the story. The Orcish Horde wins. The Barbarians won. The Future of Azeroth is kodo leather, bones and dancing around the campfire to the elements forever.
If the game isn't easy people moan if the game is easy people moan, don't like it don't play it and stop making money off it with content. Sick of people bashing and jumping on the bandwagon.
I'm literally only still playing wow because of how invested I am. Playing since vanilla with no idea how much better it could be. It's just boring, I never knew what I was missing thinking "This is how it's always been! This is WoW!" Then I play other mmos and their daily stuff is just so much more enjoyable and the weekly stuff is done in an 1 to three hours tops. I actually like doing mythic+ but doing the same ones +1510 times every week is just exhausting. I don't want to do it anymore.
then atleast take a break . you havent to quit completly if u still like it , just play something else for 1-2 months .
Then don't. I don't want to sound like an asshole but if you just don't stop when nobody is forcing you to play then just shut up. I literally... *literally* saw the writing on the wall of wow back at the end of WOTLK. Wow for me ended there.
Sunk Cost Fallacy.
Please don't force yourself to play, try out new games. After playing wow for 10 years i stopped because i literally felt the same way. Try different genres, i started playing genshin and have been enjoying it. But please don't stay attached to something that doesn't make you happy and where the only good thing about it are the past memories with it.
Quit and play something else. It's really not that hard. Just go and unsub.
Usually watching people be miserable is entertaining as hell. This...this was just painful.
After playing some other games these boss fights seem underwhelming.
Who needs boss fights when you can just have Trash mob boss fights.
yup almost every fight mechanic boils down to group moves like this you dont get many interesting mechanics for each person and not even very many mechanics that split the raid up to move around all just zerg and group.
Endsinger and Eden Raids at home:
To be fair, you're seeing normal mode, which is a joke....
This is normal mode. Heroic and esp mythic are much more intense.
"I dont know anything about this boss."
_Asmongold has been removed from the raid._
You can tell there is pain in his eyes, He is planning on doing something he does not want to do for a game he loved and hated over the years.
Just like anyone else who has invested a ton of time into the game having a ton of memories with friends and family, he "could" be planning to unsub entirely. A part of him does not want to do that, because there is some sentimental value in the game he has put a ton of time into.
is he hopeful that something "could" save WoW's Bleak future? Maybe.
Who knows he may have already found a game to fall back on and make some new memories with, and it may be the best choice he made.
Blizzard NEEDS to implement cross faction play AND guilds at the same time because that's the only way the Alliance can be saved.
What are the main reasons people don't play Alliance?
damn i cant wait to download this rpg and roleplay as a
human
good let the alliance die
@@JeyDB For me Aliance races are boring. It is 5 variations of human.
Lol thats mad funny the way you worked this
Imagine running back every time you wipe
this is the good ending
the players for years have told the devs exactly what it is they like and all the things they dont like
asmongold leaving because he simply doesnt want to play the game is perfect
we dont have to do blizzard's work anymore
they were done listening, we are done playing
sayanora
I also think that because asmond had a feel for lost arks raids where you wipe at least your at the boss door rather then either rerun the whole instance or travel back. So its probably all the quality of life small mechanics is just nice.
This is THE most disheartening thing I’ve seen in gaming. So many are walking away from this game because of its unaddressed issues.
and more than enough time to address those issues, their are Payers in Blizzards eyes, not Players.
grouping with randoms, not using discord and not communicating is not an issue with the game. Literal garbage players being garbage
Now I know why they're doing cross faction raids. Not because it's fun and players have requested it a long time, but because only horde can progress in raids
Congrats on the 1 million subscribers dood! Well deserved.
I really think him getting perspective on other games is what has affected this, primarily his time raiding in FF but even in Lost Ark stuff. Like in FF, there's only 8 people in a raid so it's less chances that one person will wipe everyone. And then on top of that, downtime after a wipe in FF is like 30 seconds at most before you're back in again. Very rarely is it longer, like if you wipe in a dungeon and have to walk back from the 2nd boss room. It's not a big deal if #7 in your group wipes everyone, because you just go into another attempt immediately. That and it's generally less stressful too, since there's unlimited b-rezzing as long as the people that can do it have the MP to do so. It means a death isn't a complete failure, and you get to continue playing and learn rather than die and just sit there watching while you feel like shit.
Where as in WoW, there's 15-30 people. Each one possibly being able to do a mechanic incorrectly and either killing others, dying themselves, or just flat out wiping the whole thing. And then if it does happen, that's like 5 min wasted just getting back to the boss, rebuffing, making sure everyones topped up and ready and then finally going again.
I feel like he knows just how time wasting WoW raiding is, and learned he doesn't care for it anymore.
Raiding in WoW is hard because of it yeah, you need at least 10 people who are good and have the time to go ape and learn mechanics, then there is the whole downtime of reclearing trash or running for 5 minutes to get back to the boss and rebuffs.
Not to say it's easy in FFXIV tho, because I've been in 3 guilds there and I haven't gotten s single group that deals high enough damage to go through dps checks. There are also people who become too reliant on the more relaxed approach to raiding and they keep repeating "next time we'll get it" but never learn, and when they learn the mechanics they have an awfully bad rotation and the failed attempt takes twice as long, discouraging them and making them have a "whatever" or defeated attitude.
Hell, I refused to use dps meters and raid logs, until I did out of frustration, just to realize me and the other guy who came from WoW and played for 4 months, were the best dps and least damage taken. We both got purple numbers, while the guys leader was on the blue and the rest of the raid didn't even get to green...
Regular raids are 8 people, then Alliance raids are 24-player. I think a lot of the newer raiding content is skewing towards 8 player though.
@Cyro-Nydd For now it will, basically the way it works is that every even patch they will provide a new raiding tier. and every odd patch they will provide a new alliacne raid.
Between these, usually in a X.Y.5 patch they might provide a new upgrade to your relic weapon. Which may include raids in of themselves (Baldesion Arsenal/Delubrum Reginae)
Difficulty=/=punishing design.
XIV raids are difficult, especially ultimate.
XIV raids are not punishing you and artificially wasting your time, you fuck up? good. Learn from it and pull again within seconds, new pull = new you.
@@k9tirion927 Antoher game that does this well is Elden Ring. Checkpoints or a bonfire are usually right next to a boss room.
29:29 "The best of the best of the best sir," that MIB reference knocked me out I haven't seen that in a while 🤣🤣🤣
"Is this the best the alliance has to offer" wow i actually feel offended by what i had to see there this is not alliance or horde this was just bad players blaiming the raid instead of themselves
I felt this super hard with Ark: Survival Evolved. I played that game for several years in online PvP and PvE and I would be on for 12-18 hours a day, glued to the game, putting off holidays and everything to play the game but over time I kept getting more and more frustrated with all the problems with the games, the bugs, the glitches, the crashes and how insanely grindy and punishing the experience was made worse by an even worse community. At a certain point though you wake up one morning and think to yourself the shit isn't worth it anymore.
You get tired of it. You get tired of sitting around crafting thousands and thousands of rounds for turrets that will be mesh wiped the next day in under 15 minutes. You get tired of farming tens of thousands of ingots every day, thousands of element, hundreds of thousands of wood and coal and thatch and berries just for fucking maintenance. You get tired of spending hours and days and weeks breeding and raising one batch of dino's for a single damage buff or a single stam level and shit after wasting months of dead babies to get that one buff then to take one of them five steps and watch them get deleted by anti mesh the day before your base gets meshed again. You get sick of working to have fun and forcing yourself to enjoy a game that defies you to enjoy it.
There comes a time where it just isn't worth the time or effort it takes to get to the points to have that fun in first place until one day you are in the middle of getting meshed and you look at your tribe mates and just peace the fuck out. And when they ask you why you simply tell them, "Why should I settle for dog shit when I can have pancakes?" And go play something else that lets you actually have some fucking fun.
I have no love for Blizzard after how they crushed every one of my childhood franchises that were so special to me growing up but I take no pleasure in seeing Asmon like this with any game period because, maybe I'm a parasocial andy, but it reminds me of how I was with Ark and it just makes me super uncomfortable and feel real shitty.
12-15 hours a day.... on ark? Bruh lol
@@Annatar_Lord_of_Gifts Yeah if you wanted to play seriously that was the minimum required daily time. If you weren't putting that time in you were a Bob.
@@magnuscarlsson9969 I wouldn’t say that shit out loud if I were you. You’re just asking for them to ruin something else XD
Don’t play games that don’t respect your time.
Fuck people calling it a loser mentality. Go play better games. You dont owe WoW anything.
there is nothing wrong with the raid, he barely tried and expected to steam roll thru it with a pug.. that makes no sense
@@mysticroots94 You have a point except = normal. Many of us here think that most of WoW raiding has become too complex to be fun. Just a puzzle with no engagement. More like solving a problem at work than a puzzle. LFR should be a joke, or not exist preferably. Normal should be steamroll for players such as Asmon (veterans) and Heroic should be the highest difficulty being at about the level it is now. Remove some addon-reliant complexity still though.
Normal is meant to be steamrolled by pugs. The current heroic is what normal modes used to be when it was just normal + heroic raid difficulties.
@@MrZeuz666 imo you should not be able to steam roll thru a raid on day one even on normal. especially with a pug while you have put in zero effort. asmon could of 100% put together a legit raid team that could beat it he did zero preparation theres zero communication he put zero effort in and when you do that you will get only one result that is failure
@@Rembd meant to by who? i disagree how can you steamroll a raid on day one with a shitter pug.. zero preparation zero effort
Editors, congrats on your hard work, you’ve earned the 1m subs. I love your posts, especially these 1 hour ones, I work from home so it’s gets boring real fast, I pop open one of these videos on my second monitor (as if I’m popping a cassette tape into my Walkman) and my day is made better. Thank you, and thank you Asmongold for the streams.
Started watching for the WoW content, stayed for the Asmon content
i love the fact he has the same undying loyalty to the alliance as i have for the horde big respect for that dude
The person that said FFXIV changed Asmon resonated with me massively. I too found after doing some FFXIV before 8.3 came out that I just didn’t really care about raiding anymore. I wanted to quest, I wanted to build other jobs, I wanted to fix up my FFXIV apartment…but WoW raiding just felt wrong. It was like my time elsewhere just showed me what WoW is missing & has lost.
Love having some McConnel back with Asmon.....Can we get some of the duo in Lost Ark? Asmon as his Beserker, and MC as a Paladin!
Ye it's indeed nice to see McConnel back!
McConnel already said he hates Lost Ark, wont play it
@@Lasadon1 Why does he hate it?
I really appreciate this channel since I don't have the time to catch all of Asmongold's streams.
I don't even play WoW and I'm switching to horde after this.
Weird random thought but watching my parents get old made me realize time was so short. I couldn't raid anymore I knew I had maybe 30 years left. I played long enough and most normies would think I am a loser. Can't imagine spending rest of my 20 good years playing raiding in WoW. I want to go to my dads future funeral and be like "I did something IRL and I am a decent person and this is my experience with my dad". I don't want to shame my father by being a 50 year old WoW player and part time worker. I need to start now to become the man I need to be.
he'll never quit, hes too emotionally attached to the game to quit
you can never really quit wow, you can only take a break from it.
@@maggotthemadman8142 speak for yourself, I've walked away for three years now lel
@@maggotthemadman8142 wouldve been something if it the game was like a good drug but in this state is like snifing shit to get high
@@maggotthemadman8142 Guess we will just throw away the definition of "recovering drug addict" then
@@maggotthemadman8142 Not true. It's very difficult but doable and usually takes some sort of religious revelation.
some of those guys were doing less damage than I did in Nathria
Thats alliance for you. I’m pretty sure I can do the same dps as them if I was afk half of the fight.
My problem with the Alliance was always that the important characters were lame humans instead of the good races like Dwarves and Draenei.
Yea who plays humans in a fantasy game.
Gnomes ;D
@@ira233 half of the population apparently
@@conorf8091 ;)
@@ira233 Funnily enough, that added to the stereotype around Alliance players on the servers I was on. The stereotype was that the Alliance was full of little kids who made their characters adult versions of themselves, leading to an excess of humans. Meanwhile the Horde player base tended to be older and played out there stuff.
Imagine being under geared (not prepared) for the content, not being in a guild and random pugging a new raid with shitters, where no one knows the mechs, then getting upset youre not doing well. What did he expect? Gotta walk before you can fly.
I understand that some people don’t enjoy wow like they use to anymore, but Asmon set himself up for failure by trying to raid day one new content with shitters that did not research any of the mechanics nor prepared at all. It also doesn’t help he’s playing a dead faction atm when it comes to raiding/pve content. If asmon is wanting to raid and not stress out every pull he’s gotta make changes himself to get there.
This is blizzards fault entirely they destroyed any hope for Alliance Raiding when they didn't bother to do cross-faction PvE shit far earlier.
you dont need to cross faction to raid you just need to be on a raid team and not a shit pug
This one hits differently. I grew up playing WoW on a pvp server as Horde, and I learned to absolutely despise the typical scumbag types that played Alliance. But now, I just feel really really bad for the Alliance, there's like nobody left. I mean, I won't play until the game looks like it values fun and the time of its playerbase, but my heart goes out to anyone still playing - especially if they're playing Alliance.
Well, now those "typical scumbag types" are part of the horde :)
U cant tell player who spend 15yr as alliance to switch for Horde. I will rather be camped on graveyard then to switch side.
Well... the guy went in with all random people and nobody knew any single mechanic from the bosses. What do you expect?
Yesterday I did Normal with my guild as a 25man and we literally destroyed the whole normal difficulty, we stopped at anduin. It only took us like 2-5 tries depending the boss (Halondrus and Xy'mox the most difficult ones).
The raid looks gorgeous and the fights are fun to me. It's totally better than SoD.
This is an end expansion raid, it's supposed to have some sort of difficulty.
I do agree tho that 20man raids are awful and would rather have back 10man raid.
I mean not everybody has guild I guess. Normal people have to group up with randoms. Its kinda fucked up that you have to know the fight before entering it, why even doing it then? Thats the general problem with Mmo's tho. Having seen a guide is the perquisite of raids in Mmo's is generally bad game design and anyone who says otherwise is just delusional.
@@niksolu In my guild nobody saw a single guide, only our raid leader and he just explained us all what we have to do in the fight.
Most fights we did 2-3 tries and some others like Xy'mox or Halondrus 6-7 tries so yea we just get used to the mechanics with only an explanation and not seeing any video.
Asmon raid was just a bunch of viewers, probably very undergeared too.
its not about you - its about Wow fucking sucks, played since 2005 and this is the first time I actually canceled my gtime for over 6months
I genuinely feel bad for asmon. Everyone likes to joke about how shit WoW is and everyone including him has really not much to talk about besides how everything has gone wrong, he still care about and loves the game and it can wear you down when everyone around you seems to hate it, again and again forced to change decisions he has made, time and effort invested into his char and when the faction system has to break down in order to get content or even do the content he enjoys he is forced into a decision he doesn't want, at that point its not a decision. This mmo tribalism doesnt help matter because people are overjoyed at the thought of WoW dying and seeing people so excited to watch your world die, this whole situation really sucks.
McCool is 100% right, it's been like watching a dude with a Styrofoam cup try to bail water out of a sinking ship, saying "This is fine".
I kinda went through the phase Asmon is going through right now back during wrath. I noticed i enjoyed the 10 man raids a lot more than the 25 mans because the 10 man group that i was a part of consisted of the 10 best players in the guild and you rarely felt that you had your time wasted due to people just being bad, i later quit raiding entirely during early cata. I used to play a lot of dota too but i quit that as well for the same reason. These days i mostly stick to single player and 1v1 games, i just don't want to deal with teammates anymore lol.
think of it this way - u get to play the game from the beginning again - all the horde cities and places uve never seen - go exploring again
I think most of us here would be fine with more difficult raids if it didn't take so damn long to get back to the boss for another attempt AND If there was actually other interesting and compelling content in the game. The vast majority of the content now in the game is only raiding and it just gets incredibly frustrating and boring after doing it over and over and over again.
I think Asmon really need to start banning those game complainer in his chat.
MODS SCROLL UP
Yeah, ban the people who pay you to play. 1m IQ.
Just quit the game and not reward blizzard by giving them even more money for faction transfer because the faction unbalance is their fault for a decade of shitting on the alliance in-game and out of game. No wonder people don't wanna play the faction thats a joke to the Devs and once you hit a critical mass it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Sad legacy...
“This is a 15 year investment… I can’t switch to Horde”
The same guy who constantly brings up the “Sunk Cost Fallacy” 😂
"I hate relying on other people"- The same guy who doesn't crack top 10 DPS
I'm glad the chat is supportive of him playing what makes him happy.
"I Will Never Serve" says Sylvanas, who died defending her homeland from Arthas, who was the thrall of Zoval, whom she willingly served since the moment Arthas died, and during that service helped Zoval create a new version of Arthas, to help Zoval fulfill the mission that Arthas was trying fulfill for him when he killed Sylvanas. Yeah. Okay, Sylv. You will never serve. We believe you. Her *entire existence as a person* is a complete fucking joke at this point.
Um okay.
@@tbone8358 okay
"Asmongold just quits"
We'll see COPIUM
The man has deep psychological dependency on WoW
You won't see COPIUM because he removed that emote from the channel.
This does not mean its bad. Just means he is burnt out. You cant expect to beat a raid immediately when it comes out. I love asmon but he contradicts everything he loves/hates. If it was easier he would complain about that as well. If he wants better he needs to play with better players competitively again.
Asmongold is being carried for a long time. He is just soft because he could not found 260ilvl people to carry him when he is a low damage player(undergeared). You can see all past raids and content and see it for yourself. And of course he is pugging what do you expect.
The game should make you want to spend time in it, but it aint doing it, wow needs to re-engage players again
not long until he puts down the nostalgia glases for good. this is the only thing that lets him going back to this shitty game.
"WoW's new raid is SO BAD" well to be fair, he went in there with literally zero idea of what the bosses did and 'learnt' the mechanics from the TL:DR summaries in the dungeon journal, on top of that he did it with a PUG group who he chose based solely on their item level which is not indicative of skill or accomplishment anymore and just expected to one-shot everything?
What happened was the most likely outcome 🤷♂️
Imagine seeing a guide for a fight is the prerequisite for entering it. Just bad game design, nothing more.
Here after asmongold just told the backstory of the title change on his livestream just now lol 😊
did they change the title? lmao
I had the same thoughts. I fight for the Alliance in times when everybody else is turning theyre backs to us, show that the alliance is the true power.
But i dont find m+ groups to progress anymore, and im not thaaat high. Its really annoying to search half an hour for a dungeon thats done in almost the same time.
Well this shows kids grow and they got bored play with a human paladin or elf hunter. They either went to Horde or they quit the game. Thats the reall power of the alliance.
A lot of people find doing mythic + boring.
Cross-faction instanced play will help you there.
Man who cares about progress? Fuck gear, fuck raids and all of that, the most important thing is that we keep on roleplaying as alliance.
Fuck the horde, yeah they can clear raids and progress their characters but fuck it, when the game finally dies, ill be able to say "i paid $15 a month so i can RP as an alliance instead of switching to horde to beat content"
/s
@@nydra9912 "Fck every aspect of the game cuz we are worst, we love watching naked elf dancing on the mail box. "
this is the first time in 10+ years I didnt even know raid was releasing. even when I quit, I always followed the scene, check wowprogress every second and watch WF race. this time it just feels different. blizz banked on people playing this game no matter what they ship, but now with lost ark, poe, elden ring, ff14; I dont even think about wow, I dont get that itch
You are literally commenting on a video about the new wow raid only hours after it was posted which itself was posted only hours after said raid was released...
@@ralfrudi3963 point is, I found out about the release date from this video. Normally I would know it way ahead of time and prep for it
We're still talking about characters like Arthas, Illidan and Garrosh decades later. Other than the few lore pros who still give a shit, who the fuck is going to be talking about Zovaal even six months into the next expac?
Never even thought of that. Damn that’s sad
This game doesn't deserve to have a monthly subscription anymore, should be F2P
Same thing in TBC, if you got pvp on you can't get healed in dungeons/raids lmao. I bet half of your team had war mode on :))
Dude, my guild and I bailed the moment we got AotC on Denathrius and I have felt _zero_ compulsion to log back into this game. For me it was a mountain of things. I'm sick of systems being built for an expansion and then abandoned, I'm sick of Blizzard's sjw/puritan mentality creeping into the game, I'm sick of the brain-dead Monday morning cartoon writing, I'm sick of grinding for weeks only for what I'm grinding for to be made irrelevant by a patch, I'm sick of arbitrary restrictions placed on guilds; It's all so predictable and I'm just over it. I don't regret the time I've spent or the memories I've made in this game since 2005, but I'm absolutely willing to make new ones in better games.
Honestly kind of felt similar after re-subscribing for 9.2 after a 9 month break. I dont think anything in 9.2 is necessarily bad its just the same old stuff. I just feel like WoW needs an overhaul, something new to really get me excited to play again.
Most people don’t want that lol, I’m having tons of fun leave my game alone lol, if you’re not having fun go play ff or something
@@alp_altinok3828 lol the player numbers and playerbase disagrees with you. You're the minority
@@cole9058 yeah why don't you show us where you got these "player numbers" from then
Can’t believe you guys took this long to feel that way. Wow has been same old for a very long time.
That's why im having fun in classic tbc, ironically enough
Hey asmon. Real quick i know its a longshot you see this. You and McConnell keep my depression at bay. You guys together and alone have helped me through hours of tears and loneliness. So thank you both for your time and entertainment
Stay strong, fam. I don't know if you struggle with suicidality, like I used to, but I hope you're able to find the roots of your issues that cause you to be depressed, and are able to lead a happy life one day.
@@teamspeak9374 healing a broken leg then im going hard. People say the gym is a great outlet.
@@Demilak ( TW ) at one point yes I tried. Im not that person anymore im still a broken man. I just find the laughs and community and comments to be heart warming and some of them just help me keep my mind off things for a while
@@Demilak and thank you for your kind words my man
@@teamspeak9374 damn i just saw this dude. Thats some serious advice and thank you. Once my leg heals im gonna try and get consistent with showing up, even when i dont wanna go. Im excited to do it for me this time and i wish you the best thanks 🧡
Not the players to carry Asmon and McChimp like every other raid release, Toys thrown out the playpen like spoilt brats. Maybe the Alliance players have had enough carrying them both and being spoken at like dirt for too many years and they have switched or quit. You look at other streamers and most do a little homework on a new raid. Asmon does nothing and expects everyone else to carry him and McChimp is no different.
Raiding does suck if you want to take it seriously but aren't willing to put in the effort to build the ideal roster. Asmon is raiding with random people (ok he knows a handful of them) and a random setup. Raiding was the most fun back when we had an optimized setup and the servers strongest players on every role. Getting such a group together takes hundreds of hours, but that's what you gotta do.
I laughed so hard through this whole thing also 17 years for the horde here. Quit this game back 9.1 can’t go back. Great content here though
Everyone started to say "change to Horde, alliance is dead" and Asmon had an existencial crisis
When blizzard loses Asmongold, you know they've screwed up the game.
i was thinking the same. this man has stuck with them through the worst. they finally fucked up to the point that the all star streamer who got big off of their game has little to no interest in it anymore. this made me want to cry man, following asmon for so long and knowing his history with it you could tell he felt that shit in his heart. i wanted to hug him. luckily he's far larger than the game and im excited to see even more games in the future he will jump into.
Blizzards not gonna lose Asmongold and that’s a fact
@@hyperionnova2854 they may not lose him as someone who plays but they definitely lost him as someone who loves the game as much as he once did.
@@Nasty_Riffs look out we have a bad ass on our hands here.
I stopped playing a month after 9.0. I just found myself much like asmon here, I was just so uninterested in the story and couldn't really find a way to bring myself to care about it. It just felt hollow and that I was wasting my time, its a bad feeling. I still havent gone back, I could care less about 9.2 and the weeks worth of content it has. Lost ark is way more enjoyable currently, as is FFXIV, Elden ring, Valorant, League, Dota, CS, Arceus, etc.
Im glad asmon decided not to force himself to play and is beginning to not let himself stress about it, because its honestly not worth it. Mcool said it best - "who are you apologizing to? you want to play something else and everyone in your chat wants you to play something and enjoy it"
Who cares
@@soppa112 I take it not many do for you
Its kind of odd, and sad to me, but for different reasons. The situation is a bit reverse for me. I havent played WoW seriously since the beginning of MoP. I had a great guild and we got super serious in Cataclysm about heroic raiding, it was a great time and i was literally doing world first ranks for DPS warrior constantly. We all memed together and were really good, despite having relatively moderate raiding times during progress limited to 3-4 days a week, we were like world top 50-100. In the first raid of MoP we were still killing it and having fun, although i didnt like the changes they made to my class i was still doing high world ranks. We had two people on our group that were constantly dying and making mistakes, it started to really annoy me (i can feel Asmon on that part) and everybody knew it especially when we went 10 man you could feel the weight of it, and it was starting to kind of affect us. These people then perma died and wiped us on that guild breaker boss with the sonar patterns on the floor (something with Vesir? forgot the name) and i got so burned out.
I then had a cold and didnt raid for a few days, and i noticed something. I felt great having "so much free time". I noticed that it was just a genuine good feeling knowing i dont have to show up at that time for sure, before it felt almost like a job i had to go to to keep food on the table. It never occured to me to miss one raid even, even on farm for the most part. I couldnt go back. After a week i told my guild i think im done with raiding and will quit the game. My raid group and guild shortly after fell apart and quit. People told me i was kind of the glue keeping everybody together, which while i knew i was one of the best players on the team didnt think i had that much of a team impact since i was most of the time memeing instead of actually talking about other stuff (although i felt like had a genuine friendship bond with everybody). I felt bad about it and i was 0 interested in playing any other game. Wow had "ruined" them for me in that sense, so i knew i was gonna lose those people in my life which is exactly what happened slowly. Many of them sticked together to play other games or WoW casually from time to time, but i was never a gamer in that sense. Played consoles a lot as a kid but outside of hardcore WoW i was never a PC gamer. Some of them are still playing other games together now, and have even met in real life from what i can tell remotely with some group chats im still in but havent posted for years literally.
Im fighting a severe sudden progressive illness for the last 3 years and i lost my family, friends, and potential future wife at the time and am now basically unable to work and have trouble getting medication and keeping a roof over my head, im not even 30 yet. I didnt expect any of this to happen and im fighting a lot of suicidal depression since i was such a disciplined, buff and enthusiastic person. My body and everything else in life is in shambles, and theres not much hope at this point. So i thought i will try some games to maybe distract myself a little bit. Everybody was shitting on WoW for years so while i dipped toes in in Legion i quickly noticed without my guild and people i know its not fun and stopped. So i tried FFXIV last year when everybody was hyping it. I dont like "realistic" art styles in games, i think they look bland and all alike, which is a big reason i didnt play other MMOs outside of WoW, but i gave it a shot since it was free for a while. In the beginning i kind of found it fun for like a month or two, but at some point i noticed it just wasnt it for me. I noticed im just playing because people rave about it, and the image streamers give is just not at all how my experience is. I have 0 community and nobody gives a shit about me, and i felt stressed doing group content because of my ill health - i became a real wuss. I stopped.
Then recently everybody was freaking out over Lost Ark, and still do. I tried it. I loved the armor in the character creation screen, and loved how Paladin played in the class preview. Then learned you cant play it as DPS, its only viable as a support in any format of the game not even as casual. Was bummed, but still played as Gunbreaker for a while since i like beefy armor. I guess i had a bit of fun but i quickly noticed that it was even worse than with FFXIV for me, also with how unattainable many things are in free 2 play format etc. (not hating on the game, i just noticed that while i surprisingly loved the artstyle quickly i couldnt get past a week of playing). I spend more time in character creation than playing some days, since i like getting invested in my characters fantasy. It also felt insanely convoluted somehow especially in the interface. Anyway, i just cant play it anymore and its weird to me how people love the game but im happy for them. I wish i could do what these streamers are doing, but im just such an insignificant person npw who lost most of his former attracting and extroverted personality, from all the trauma and loss but also because a metaphorical existential sword is levitating above my head constantly and i spent most of my time trying to find a solution to impossible problems.
A week ago i did it.... i thought you know this is gonna suck and you have no place here anymore, but i bought a month subscription to WoW out of desperation. I took a different approach this time. I treated it as a single player game and viewed leveling as the game, rather than something to get through. Making many alts with different looks and classes. It was really fun, and i cant stop thinking about how i wanna play more. I actually thoroughly enjoy the BfA leveling content. But everybody is so negative about the game to a reeally unseen extend in the gaming community. Like literally a tragedy that they need therapy and all. Although it doesnt effect my gameplay so much at this point anymore, it creeps into my newfound escapism and a bit of fun i have in my life right now. I know about all the scandals with Blizzard and the problems with the systems at max level and how they handled them poorly, but while i like Asmon i cant watch him play Lost Ark or something. Its literally so little entertaining to me. I think he should do what he wants to. But the WoW and Asmongold space was a little bit like a safe place for me to return to, only to now see that its all in ashes as well.
Bro that was an intense read. I hope things go well with your health. Good luck
There's no point in WoW until 10.0 is revealed and the beta is out, that's when it'll be clear whether the next expansion is gonna be worth it or another bfa/shadowlands.