same hahaha... reminds me of that tumblr post “say max was slightly attracted to steve and checking him out with the binoculars and no one bats and eye but say mike had a small crush on eddie-“ or smth like that
he def did. in the cafeteria scene when he’s watching eddie with a goofy smile on his face the song playing in the background is Fever and… the lyrics tell it all lmao. 😂
Guys also in the first scene, el told Mike that will was working on a painting and that she thinks he likes someone- now Mike gets a painting, I think he knowsss
I think, Mike, somewhere as a teenage boy was really intrigued by the things Eleven could do. Her powers, maybe he thought they were cool. Also, we should remember that in season one, they were practically named as nerds and had no contact with female friends whatsoever. So the moment Mike got even a little attention from El, he was hooked. Like, more than her powers and her somewhat past, he doesn't even know anything about her. I don't think so he ever heard of El's mom from her ever because those scenes were always kept limited to El alone. But he HAS known Will all his life, and cared about him so much. I think that says a lot in itself.
Even if will was a bit unaware of Mike liking him back, it probably never crossed his mind he would. In wills eyes Mike loves el. That’s it. Because will was always told boys liking boys is a mistake, that he’s a mistake, he won’t have thought Mike would feel the same way. He probably thinks Mike only likes him as a friend. Also Noah Said there is more Byler in s5!!!
Byler may not be endgame but Michael Wheeler seems to not being physically able to act straight. So if break up doesn't happen i have questions for Finn.
i am so head over heels attached to this ship. the duffers have my happiness and sanity in the palm of their hands with the ability to make my dreams come true or to crush my heart beyond repair. i'm used to being queerbaited so i'm trying not to get my hopes up, but fuck it they are already up as high as they can go so i might as well accept my fate and just pray for the best. i will go down with this ship.
Another thing about Mike which in 80s/90s movies and shows that have queer characters it's common, is being in denial about feelings for another due to it being extremely unpopular and judged back in the day
I've been with this show since season 1 and i was literally like 8 back then. Of course, Mileven had a great start, and i was younger, so i didn't put up much effort into their relationship. But i was always enticed by Will and Mike's friendship, because they always so obvious to me. It wasn't in the same perspective what i thought of them back then. But as i get older, and see the evolution of their relationship over the seasons, Mileven has definitely lost its chemistry over time.
The season 4 one is a death grip, and season 2 is a shielding grip, they have different meanings. But yeah that's his bestfriend of course he's scared for him
Agree that some of these are stretches. I do hope that something develops between Mike and Will. Will's sexuality has been too much of an obvious thread for so much of the show that it seems like a waste for them to leave it with him pouring out his feelings for Mike and Jonathan understanding and supporting him, for Mike to not reciprocate the feelings or reject him. But it IS set in the 80's when "gay stuff" was still quite unaccepted.
literally obsessed with the part in the pizza shop where theres that neon pizza sign behind mike in the shape of an upside down triangle?? its even a yellow triangle WHICH IS WILL'S COLOUR (when blue meets yellow in the west). im going insane. the symbolism is crazy. thank you for this.
3:36 Ok, everyone is saying this song plays because El is hiding in the closet. WELLLLLLLL it starts playing WHEN BYLER IS ON-SCREEN. Its not about El in the closet. Its about Mike being a closeted queer.
"In the closet" HELP😭 Also another time in rink o mania tarazan boys played with is song based on a gay man telling another gay man to embrace the gay lifestyle... (idk if thats true i just saw someone say that😭)
I have never watched st because i don't have the willpower to get through even season one, but this makes a lot of sense from what I've seen and it looks like Byler has an incredibly interesting ship dynamic. I like how the camera angles and perspective show so much depth in the character's and their relations to eachother along with thebidy language.
Lol its bcuz they're the same flowers that Mike gave to El in the first episode, and in the last episode those same flowers are dying when El picks them up
I know a lot of this feel like reaches, but you have to keep in mind that every decision in a set is an intentional, decided one. Some could be coincidence, like posing and items in the background, but the flowers feel pretty fucking intentional (i.e they could have bought more for the set if the relationship was going well.) Show-making is an art form and symbolism or foreshadowing is a huge part of that
6:56 i have a byler theory here what if will actually meant to say he feels but used the “you” in general, it’s kinda the same to the van confession scene when he used a cover up with eleven’s name, and now it’s like the word you as a cover up think about it “sometimes i think it’s just scary to open up like that to say how i really feel, especially to people i care about the most because what if you don’t like the truth?”
I truly can’t imagine them fully getting together in s5, but I do think Mike and El will come to a healthy end and Will and Mike will become really close again, with hints at them getting together later on in life. Thats my personal headcanon
I agree. They ended season 4 without a clear indication of who he will get with so it’s kinda hard for him to just start dating Will in season 4. I think the most we will get is like a hand hold or something (kinda like tyrus in Andi Mack)
I love the part where mike keeps holding onto the phone when will grabbed it people might say “ he just wanted to hold it” then why did he let go when Jonathan took it?
You forgot the part after the whole pizza thing when it cuts to Will and Jonathan, Mike, barely audible but still there, says something along the lines of ‘yeah it’s good’
Most of them feels like you're reaching but atp idgaf,BYLER CANON and also, 1:45 this scene,one moment we can see that Mike and Will are glancing at each other but when they realise the other is also doing it they both put their head down
Some of these are hardcore reaches lol, but I hope the show does something with the fact that Will is gay-- something theyve been leading up to since season 2 at least. It seems like the next season will finally have Will be out since his brother knows.
This isn’t much Mike but more will, when they are digging in that desert place and Mike is caught staring at will then looks away, will looks disappointed, then you hear the first few words of the next cut, before the cut, the words are will saying ‘you can’t let him get to you’ then it cuts to them on the car roof. To me that symbolises how will looks upset that Mike looked away, so then in his head he says to himself ‘you can’t let him get to you’ does that make sense?
I watch a guy who criticizes series in a parodic way. In one video he was talking about a scene where they put all, and I mean ALL the lights on the main girl to show her beautiful and he mocked it because it was obviously too much. That's how I learned that they use this light on character thing to show the character beautiful and the moment I saw 13:49 I knew I KNEW what they were doing.
I MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE A WHOLE VIDEO ABOUT THIS BUT ISTG IM NOT CRAZY. IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE SHOT YOU'VE PROVIDED, IVE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT BLUE AND YELLOW TOGETHER... BLUE AND YELLOW ARE ALL OVER SEASON 4.
Ohh fr,give my el a bit of break and time to discover who she is before shoving her into such a serious affair as love and pleaseee give my guys justice 😭😭
all that stuff is actually Plato's model for Platonic love, except it wasn't called that back then, but rather just descriptions of the best form of love between guys in their youth
Yeah it’s just too much. They’re best friends and the creator of the video makes every single glance into something romantic even if they’re talking about death? I do believe Mike and Eleven are over but saying he’s in love with Will is reaching to the most. Portraying healthy male friendships is so important especially in shows like these with a “younger” demographic and teenaged characters as role models. Why can’t they remain friends? There’s different kinds of love, like you said. As much as I support the LGBTQ+ community, I hope the Duffer bro’s don’t write Mike as a queer character in the upcoming season. It wouldn’t make sense as this is not romantic love.
You do realise that they are not the only male friendship in the show right? We have Steve and Dustin, eddie And Dustin, Lucas and Dustin, Steve and eddie, Jonathan and argyle, Lucas and Mike, Mike and Dustin, we have a lot of platonic friendships between boys, so i dont think this argument is valid
I actually kind of hope he isn't because imagine your sister dating the person you fell in love with, and he tells you he feels the same way while either still being in or just broke up with your sister like I would never want that for Will or El.
Yeah I mean Noah’s gay and Finn seems kinda bi. Like he was whispering to a cast member who was a boy who kissed him on the cheek and Finn smiled. I mean like….
I mean if mike dosent like will back I feel ljke he would still want to tell mike how he feels about him and not just keep it inside.but I'm a huge byler fan 😅but just saying,
![Byler on CRACK [1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tCay89l3mbI/mqdefault.jpg)
I kinda like the head canon that Mike had a small crush on Eddie lol
Poor el dude
same hahaha... reminds me of that tumblr post “say max was slightly attracted to steve and checking him out with the binoculars and no one bats and eye but say mike had a small crush on eddie-“ or smth like that
he def did. in the cafeteria scene when he’s watching eddie with a goofy smile on his face the song playing in the background is Fever and… the lyrics tell it all lmao. 😂
i’d say more like gay panic but still
ew what.
Guys also in the first scene, el told Mike that will was working on a painting and that she thinks he likes someone- now Mike gets a painting, I think he knowsss
I THINK SO TOOO
I think, Mike, somewhere as a teenage boy was really intrigued by the things Eleven could do. Her powers, maybe he thought they were cool. Also, we should remember that in season one, they were practically named as nerds and had no contact with female friends whatsoever. So the moment Mike got even a little attention from El, he was hooked. Like, more than her powers and her somewhat past, he doesn't even know anything about her. I don't think so he ever heard of El's mom from her ever because those scenes were always kept limited to El alone. But he HAS known Will all his life, and cared about him so much. I think that says a lot in itself.
i always find it hilarious that mike was willing to put his bare dogs into the skates
#freethedogs
Im not surprised. Gays and the horror genre tends to attract each other. Thats why there are stereotype gays that loves horror movies.
Even if will was a bit unaware of Mike liking him back, it probably never crossed his mind he would. In wills eyes Mike loves el. That’s it. Because will was always told boys liking boys is a mistake, that he’s a mistake, he won’t have thought Mike would feel the same way. He probably thinks Mike only likes him as a friend. Also Noah Said there is more Byler in s5!!!
Oh my gosh really? What’s the interview called?
YESSS!!!
I thought it said no more byler so i jst panicked ..
I love these literal FILM ESSAYS to prove a gay ship 😂🙌🏼
why are we all finding this video now? it was posted last year lmao-
Idk bro
I have no fucking clue
i searched it up 😭 cus i can't effin wait for s5
"what about us?" "what about everything we've been through" "what about trust?" high school musical scene
The shot for shot match 😩
@@mailyak442 yes
Even if we don't get Byler endgame I'm sure Mileven will be over in s5
Ok begging it does
we HAVE and I repeat HAVE to get byler endgame like idk wtf ur takin about lmao
Could be possible tho why did Mike tell el that he loved her in the end of season 4 tho 🤔 was it maybe social convention or something like that idk
@@mellia8232 real
@@oliviaborzillo1961 but then why should mileven be over when both are sincerely in love with each other
istg if they queer code this much but then he's not actually queer ill be so mad
Same. Like there’s so much evidence and if he doesn’t actually end up queer then they definitely queer baited us 🥲
Byler may not be endgame but Michael Wheeler seems to not being physically able to act straight. So if break up doesn't happen i have questions for Finn.
LMAO
HELP
I need to stop obsessing over doomed gays
Fr😭🤚 like what is wrong with me
Its when you realise theyre fictional too
i am so head over heels attached to this ship. the duffers have my happiness and sanity in the palm of their hands with the ability to make my dreams come true or to crush my heart beyond repair. i'm used to being queerbaited so i'm trying not to get my hopes up, but fuck it they are already up as high as they can go so i might as well accept my fate and just pray for the best. i will go down with this ship.
its literally so obvious that byler is endgame
whys everyone just finding it? this video was posted a year ago
Another thing about Mike which in 80s/90s movies and shows that have queer characters it's common, is being in denial about feelings for another due to it being extremely unpopular and judged back in the day
They’ve been cooking up byler since SEASON 1
YESS
REAL.
His closet is clear at this point
12:52 THAT LIP GLANCE IS SO OBVIOUS
12:02 THERE IS LITERALLY A RAINBOW LINKING THEM IN THE REFLECTION WAAAHHHTTT
NO WAYYY THAT’S SO TRUE 😭
I JUST NOTICED OMG
Rainbows are naturally made. That’s like saying el was gay because there was a rainbow on the wall.
Almost all light added in shows is INTENTIONAL btw@@heckyathegamer
It's a film 🤗 @@heckyathegamer
1:23 this part makes me so sad like all will wanted was a hug😭😭😭
I've been with this show since season 1 and i was literally like 8 back then. Of course, Mileven had a great start, and i was younger, so i didn't put up much effort into their relationship. But i was always enticed by Will and Mike's friendship, because they always so obvious to me. It wasn't in the same perspective what i thought of them back then. But as i get older, and see the evolution of their relationship over the seasons, Mileven has definitely lost its chemistry over time.
14:51 this scene is also a parallel from season 2 when Mike puts his hand over Will’s because Will is shaking 😍
The season 4 one is a death grip, and season 2 is a shielding grip, they have different meanings. But yeah that's his bestfriend of course he's scared for him
Agree that some of these are stretches. I do hope that something develops between Mike and Will. Will's sexuality has been too much of an obvious thread for so much of the show that it seems like a waste for them to leave it with him pouring out his feelings for Mike and Jonathan understanding and supporting him, for Mike to not reciprocate the feelings or reject him. But it IS set in the 80's when "gay stuff" was still quite unaccepted.
literally obsessed with the part in the pizza shop where theres that neon pizza sign behind mike in the shape of an upside down triangle?? its even a yellow triangle WHICH IS WILL'S COLOUR (when blue meets yellow in the west). im going insane. the symbolism is crazy. thank you for this.
Are you like a film major?? This video has such a deep analysis I would’ve never thought about the symbolisms you pointed out!!
15:01 also here everyone else is a couple, Nancy and Johnathon, Joyce and Hopper, MIKE AND WILL!!!
Wills hair in season 4 is killing me..
PRETTY SURE HE'S GETTING AN ACTUAL GOOD HAIRCUT IN S5 🎉🎉
OMG I love your profile picture sm ‼️ Also I agree his haircut in season 4 is… just… awful
3:36 Ok, everyone is saying this song plays because El is hiding in the closet. WELLLLLLLL it starts playing WHEN BYLER IS ON-SCREEN. Its not about El in the closet. Its about Mike being a closeted queer.
oh dude even the flowers he gives to el in the beginning are yellow and blue
"In the closet" HELP😭 Also another time in rink o mania tarazan boys played with is song based on a gay man telling another gay man to embrace the gay lifestyle... (idk if thats true i just saw someone say that😭)
I have never watched st because i don't have the willpower to get through even season one, but this makes a lot of sense from what I've seen and it looks like Byler has an incredibly interesting ship dynamic. I like how the camera angles and perspective show so much depth in the character's and their relations to eachother along with thebidy language.
The whole video’s so analytic, good job
I like how the show glossed over Will’s trauma like “Oh yeah sorry we don’t have time for that” 😂😂
As a Mileven Shipper I agree
W bro
The fact that this goes for 15mins 😭✋
“The dead flowers symbolize Mileven is over” BRUH😂😂
Lol its bcuz they're the same flowers that Mike gave to El in the first episode, and in the last episode those same flowers are dying when El picks them up
I know a lot of this feel like reaches, but you have to keep in mind that every decision in a set is an intentional, decided one. Some could be coincidence, like posing and items in the background, but the flowers feel pretty fucking intentional (i.e they could have bought more for the set if the relationship was going well.) Show-making is an art form and symbolism or foreshadowing is a huge part of that
i really doubt mike is actually straight
THEY HAD SOOO MANY CHANCES TOO KISSSSS!! But they didn’t although I swear in some parts they said “kiss me” without even saying it
6:56 i have a byler theory here
what if will actually meant to say he feels but used the “you” in general, it’s kinda the same to the van confession scene when he used a cover up with eleven’s name, and now it’s like the word you as a cover up
think about it
“sometimes i think it’s just scary to open up like that
to say how i really feel, especially to people i care about the most
because what if you don’t like the truth?”
🤞 BYLER ENDGAME 🤞
That was always obviously how that scene was meant to be read lmao
@@auraliecherisetrue (btw i commented this 2 months ago)
1:00 THIS IS HILARIOUS "women" vs "boys" all the clues are there 😂
I truly can’t imagine them fully getting together in s5, but I do think Mike and El will come to a healthy end and Will and Mike will become really close again, with hints at them getting together later on in life. Thats my personal headcanon
I agree. They ended season 4 without a clear indication of who he will get with so it’s kinda hard for him to just start dating Will in season 4. I think the most we will get is like a hand hold or something (kinda like tyrus in Andi Mack)
Best headcannon ever, I completely agree with you. I can't see Mike and El staying together.
Byler endgame
It’s so painfully obvious 😭
they better not queer bait us in s5
I love the part where mike keeps holding onto the phone when will grabbed it people might say “ he just wanted to hold it” then why did he let go when Jonathan took it?
this makes me excited for season 5 smmmmmmmmm
I looked at the thumbnail and went: “BRO REALLY SAID “MR BEASTTT”.”
You forgot the part after the whole pizza thing when it cuts to Will and Jonathan, Mike, barely audible but still there, says something along the lines of ‘yeah it’s good’
He still cares for El, but i think byler is stronger than mileven
Nah.
@@heckyathegamer oop
Elmike > Mileven
Most of them feels like you're reaching but atp idgaf,BYLER CANON and also, 1:45 this scene,one moment we can see that Mike and Will are glancing at each other but when they realise the other is also doing it they both put their head down
this show will end with them together (or maybe itll be tragic but either way theyre in love)
S4 will makes me SOB (Also Mileven is so fake, they don’t have chemistry at all! At least not in the later seasons. BYLER is so endgame)
This is the biggest reach I’ve ever seen and I personally AM HERE FOR IT 😂😂😂
Billy and Steve interactions were also pretty sus tbh
Also, Mike seems to never yell at Will when they argue. But oh yes, he perfectly fine to yell at his GIRLFRIEND. The closet is clear now guys.
Amazing video! You’ve fully got me convinced byler is going to happen now
Some of these are hardcore reaches lol, but I hope the show does something with the fact that Will is gay-- something theyve been leading up to since season 2 at least. It seems like the next season will finally have Will be out since his brother knows.
5:30 i feel like no one talks about this but what mike says reminds me of luz asking amity out in the owl house
i’ve never seen ST (don’t like shows w monsters and shit bc i scared easily) but even i see it. i ship.
byler is too conviluted of a ship name the ship name should be wike or mill just because its funny
BicycleWheel could've been a REALLY cute ship name like come on guys wtf
12:29 dude knows what's up
fr
This isn’t much Mike but more will, when they are digging in that desert place and Mike is caught staring at will then looks away, will looks disappointed, then you hear the first few words of the next cut, before the cut, the words are will saying ‘you can’t let him get to you’ then it cuts to them on the car roof. To me that symbolises how will looks upset that Mike looked away, so then in his head he says to himself ‘you can’t let him get to you’ does that make sense?
Yeah it does I noticed that too
U missed the blue meets yellow in the closet… mikes closet (the scene where he is in his underwear reading els letter)
I watch a guy who criticizes series in a parodic way. In one video he was talking about a scene where they put all, and I mean ALL the lights on the main girl to show her beautiful and he mocked it because it was obviously too much. That's how I learned that they use this light on character thing to show the character beautiful and the moment I saw 13:49 I knew I KNEW what they were doing.
MOST OF THESE I AGREE but maybe we're overthinking some a bit!
I MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE A WHOLE VIDEO ABOUT THIS BUT ISTG IM NOT CRAZY. IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE SHOT YOU'VE PROVIDED, IVE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT BLUE AND YELLOW TOGETHER... BLUE AND YELLOW ARE ALL OVER SEASON 4.
@@purple_ray88 blue is usually associated with Mike and yellow is usually associated with will I THINK. I may have to look this up too 😭
THE CLOSET IS GLASS GUYS
0:50 WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE HE'S DOING THE MRBEAST MEME-
I loved this video so much from start to end❤️! I just wanted to ask if you think Byler will happen in S5 or your predictions!
I think I'm at least on the right tracks and sincerely expect byler to be in the works
watching this after not seeing stranger things after like 2 yesrs i just realized how hot finn was in it
10:24 BLINDING HIMSELF FROM THE BIG YELLOW LIGHT?!? Now thats something I didn't pick up
this is inGENIOUS
Damn I really hope will likes him back y’all 💔
You mean mike?
Ohh fr,give my el a bit of break and time to discover who she is before shoving her into such a serious affair as love and pleaseee give my guys justice 😭😭
all that stuff is actually Plato's model for Platonic love, except it wasn't called that back then, but rather just descriptions of the best form of love between guys in their youth
Yeah it’s just too much. They’re best friends and the creator of the video makes every single glance into something romantic even if they’re talking about death? I do believe Mike and Eleven are over but saying he’s in love with Will is reaching to the most.
Portraying healthy male friendships is so important especially in shows like these with a “younger” demographic and teenaged characters as role models. Why can’t they remain friends? There’s different kinds of love, like you said.
As much as I support the LGBTQ+ community, I hope the Duffer bro’s don’t write Mike as a queer character in the upcoming season. It wouldn’t make sense as this is not romantic love.
You do realise that they are not the only male friendship in the show right? We have Steve and Dustin, eddie And Dustin, Lucas and Dustin, Steve and eddie, Jonathan and argyle, Lucas and Mike, Mike and Dustin, we have a lot of platonic friendships between boys, so i dont think this argument is valid
ONLY 65 VIEWS!??!! UNDERRATED AF
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6:04 I CANT WITH WILL’S FACES😭😭😭 THAT SHIT IS HILARIOUS😭😭😭
I actually kind of hope he isn't because imagine your sister dating the person you fell in love with, and he tells you he feels the same way while either still being in or just broke up with your sister like I would never want that for Will or El.
2:17 i just can't wait for s5.. please netflix release it fast 😭
I think mikes love Language is staring
he talks so loudly with his eyes fr
beautiful video, rlly underrated fr. i enjoy the detail and thought put in this 🙏🙏 new subscriber < 3
Why in the thumbnail he look like Mr. Beast XD
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IM DEADDD
HELP ME
IM CRYUNG 😭💀
I don’t know about Mike , but will definitely !!!! There are a lot of scenes even from s1 and s2 that imply that will likes Mike
this is beautifully made ❤
Maybe Finn Wolfhard is just in love with Noah 😂
Well
Thats also a possibility
Yeah I mean Noah’s gay and Finn seems kinda bi. Like he was whispering to a cast member who was a boy who kissed him on the cheek and Finn smiled. I mean like….
They in their delulu era
Fr. I just want my boy Will to be happy
I can feel will's feeling when he stayed the same ,kept frndship 1st but every body else changed
I mean if mike dosent like will back I feel ljke he would still want to tell mike how he feels about him and not just keep it inside.but I'm a huge byler fan 😅but just saying,
STOP DOUBTING YOURSELF OLIVER!!! you have so much potential ❤ love your content and opinions , OWN IT !! 🎉
Underrated. Really enjoyed this video!!
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I feel like mike is just a clueless golden retriever straight boy tbh. And that he senses something wrong with his bestie
heavy on the clueless part. even finn said it
WTF DOES SOMETHING WRONG MEANS??? 😭😭
Seems like a lot of reaching.
Will has always been noticeably softer than the other boys (not Mike.)
Me at 3:42 this is so sad. Alexa play in the closet (at rink o mania)
Bro you would love the class Film As Lit 🔥🔥
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Several cute bois
10:51 actually in the subtitles he says that “pineapple in pizza” is not that bad and that it’s actually good I think so idk 🤷
3:41 not the lights behind them being yellow then pink? And then blue as if something is in between them maybe????
UR SO RIGHT OMG HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THAT BEFORE
5:51 that shock shows it