Currently stuck in an abusive situation that I tried to heal with transformative justice-mindful co-creation by community and a healing approach-and I’m honestly dealing with retaliation by a person who was put into a position of power for even attempting any kind of accountability for sexual assault and this experience is honestly making this concept seem a bit naive. You can’t just have one person attempting transformative justice, there needs to be community support or at least the support of both parties. In my case, I’m sorry to say my situation has worsened as I try to minimize harm and punitive response, but this is serious stuff, and I think it’s important to acknowledge the ways that in this world these techniques could empower an oppressor. That being said; AMB, love your work!
@@moriahchilders4154 their video titled 'What is Accountability?' (around 1 hr 26 min long) i feel like has a really good discussion about the (pretty common) instances where the accountability process stumbles and even potentially backfires. it's totally not on you to burden all the labor that goes into facilitating an accountability process and I think it's important no matter what it looks like to prioritize your own healing and safety in all of this (because at the end of the day the accountability process that you are trying to facilitate is also designed for them to grow and heal). and if they aren't ready to have that process/the process is taking a negative toll on your healing and safety I think you should definitely prioritize your healing and safety. what you said about the transformative justice process requiring community/mutual support is really true, I hope you are able to find a way forward that works to keep you safe (a way that hopefully doesn't involve the state) and sending you prayers for your healing process :)
Oh it absolutely isn't on you as an individual to try and change people who directly harm and have power over you! It takes cultural and social change, and community. As you have mentioned. I hope no one has made you feel as if it is solely your responsibility.
Thank you for sharing this. These tools can be and unfortunately have been weaponized by people with patterns of causing harm. If someone does not have the socio-emotional capacity for empathy, compassion, and personal accountability, transformative justice becomes a mechanism to avoid accountability from people who are already hesitant to address harm directly due to their own experiences with punitive justice or victim-blaming and backlash. I've been avoiding holding someone accountable for the same thing for the very reasons that you described here. I'm so sorry you had this experience and hope that you have received care and support since this comment was posted.
This is great stuff. Our criminal justice system is a massive moral and public safety failure. Transformative justice is the most intelligent approach to crime that I have heard yet. A lot of unintelligent people have negative things to say about it, but innovation and social movements are not led by small, simple minds. Keep up the good work!
I think a lot about how indigenous Native American and African societies have historically practiced transformative justice in their societies for centuries (of course they didn’t use this Western term) before colonization/slavery decimated their traditions.
I really appreciate this idea and want to further develop it- with that I must ask, how can we protect victims of an abuser in a transformative justice model?
Damn, she (Adrienne) just made me think about my personal practices and habits when dealing/experiencing harm. The concept is so different when facing strangers, people I have not personally experienced. And so now I think about the ways I can adopt/apply these practices within my personal experiences. I think about this particular experience around a man that put my friends and I in a unsafe and uncomfortable environment. Hmmmm I am GRATEFUL for this food for thought. So grateful.
i have been struggling trying wrap my head around this completely and i am really glad to have found these videos they are helping for sure I am part of a queer collective that is just now forming itself and this top is on our agenda for next meeting under how we will be dealing with conflict and putting together our mission
Here from Spring Up. They are an incredible org with free and cheap courses! I hope to bring TJ to the field of education. The criminalization of kids and adultism is an urgent issue. It’s horrifying that certain ppl are victims/survivors from the second they’re born. It’s a sick world and I’m trying to be a part of the change.
I would appreciate any links that people know of that outline practical application of TJ. This video (which I realize is an intro) is so broad that it sounds purely theoretical. They touch on the criminal justice system, ending jailing, how to raise children, healing (of victims, I assume?), changing societal responses violence (but without changing the state?), fighting poverty that leads to crime, basic communication skills, and more. That's a lot of things. Also, I think the relationship between victim and criminal and that affects of trauma are perhaps not being viewed as the deeply complex issues that they are.
Anyone can see the escalation, class power, and blaming individual accountability on Nextdoor - it's a Master Class in understanding the head space of punitive "justice".
Glad I watched this video. It was recommended to me. I was violently mugged a week ago by two men (I have videos about this on youtube) and it looks like at least one will be caught and probably prosecuted. Yet I am sickened by the idea of jails and prisons, and I know how awful they can be. I want to feel safe from my muggers (at least one lives in my neighborhood!) and for that reason jail for him/them looks pretty appealing to me, however, I desperately am searching for alternatives, both in practice and if not that then in theory. So I think many of these ideas are good. I think this video was weak, however, at least in my case, because it didn't mention, or only mentioned tangentially, how much people who do awful things to others were abused and neglected in their own homes as little children. I sense that was the case with the two men who mugged me. I think the only real transformative justice for me will be if I MYSELF heal from the trauma they inflicted on me, and, secondarily (my big hope) if THEY heal from the traumas in their lives inflicted on them. Yes, society contributed to this, but I believe, based on my life experience, that the primary harm was caused to them in their families of origin, that was what set them up to behave in such an inhumane way toward me. And I also believe our only hope as a society and as a species is individual healing from childhood traumas at a mass level. To think that changing society's iniquities alone will solve these problems (not that the video explicitly said that) is naive. Thanks for listening. And thanks to the people in this video for the ideas!!!! I am hungry for more ideas.
I would love to be able to show this You Tube to our church's congregation. I have emailed the Barnard Center about this, and one of the producers of the video, Dean Spade, but haven't received a response from either. I'm hoping by posting this someone can tell me the best way to go about getting permission to shows this in a Zoom presentation to our congregation. Thanks.
You can do a screenshare during Zoom and share this video with your congregation. It is available publically here on UA-cam so sharing with others is great :)
@@nuloo Thanks, Danielle, for taking the time to reply. I recently heard from Mariame Kaba, one of the producers, who said it is okay to use the video as long as it is for educational purposes. Also, I believe you're not allowed to charge any money to whomever your audience is. Our restorative justice team is excited about including this in our Sunday service!
That's up to the surviving stakeholders harmed by the murder - including, to some extent, the entire community. Also depends on the details of the murder itself.
An apology and promise he/she won’t kill anyone again will suffice the brutal murder of your loved one in the hands of a monster 😂😂 These people are liberals who have lost their minds. They live in a bubble not realizing the real world is harsh and full of evil people
@@agabrielrose In Pakistan, the family can decide not to criminally charge the killer of one of the members. It happens a lot with honor killings (brother or father killing the daughter for posting "provocative" photos on the internet). Would that be okay with you?
@@ilanouh Resistance to hegemony needs to come from within the society in question. We're not gonna be able to bomb Pakistan into treating women better or whatever. Point is, it's not up to me.
Hello. Does preventing violence and harm begin with examining specifically who is raising perfectly healthy newborns maturing into apparent emotionally troubled, sometimes violent teen and adult citizens largely lacking EMPATHY Compassion and Respect for their peaceful or less fortunate neighbors! *California Surgeon General Dr Nadine Burke Harris* and her medical colleagues hold the key to PREVENTING violence and HATE. Peace.
Unfortunately this noble idea--figuring out how to respond violence without resorting to violence--is intellectually bereft of context. Being nasty, evil, opportunistic are part and parcel of the human genome. Violence underlies every human interaction--it begins with the flight and fight reaction. It is utilized to uphold the principles of private property (moi,i don't believe in private property beyond a tooth brush. If you want to own what you own and go where you wish then you are in the position of being obligated to those people who will protect you--by using violence. As long as there are disparities of wealth, religion, private property there will be--must be--violence. Our human ability to be aggressive is what makes us human. While laudable this transformative justice notion is naive and, worse, childish. If one wants to "turn the other cheek" I honor you. But a human fights back. And the final point: if the environment is "saved" (a purely matter of opinion) or justice for minorities(minorities in other countries as well as in the US) or we all diligently march in the same direction then the world will bea truly boring place. Violence is a necessary game played by Shiva and Jehova and Buddha et.al. It is part of the human dance. It informs our art and our literature. Engaging in it--avoiding it--deploring it: this is who we are. I fear the uneducated generations to come who fail to understand this.
Care to elaborate? To me, it's the society as a whole taking responsibility for the systems that lead to violence and crime. Society is not a "victim" in most of those circumstances, it is the instigator.'
Yes, they have so much sympathy for criminals, yet the innocent victims are totally forgotten. Don’t let the soft language and voice fool u, these people have evil intentions shrouded in their sympathy
@@Gogetta80 the point is to ask why. Not say it is ok. You make that part up. Nothing you state in your comment is said in the video. You didn't even watch it.
Leftists are really good at speaking for a long time but not actually saying much. When u pad out a video that coulda been 90 seconds into 10 minutes, makes it seem more legitimate
Currently stuck in an abusive situation that I tried to heal with transformative justice-mindful co-creation by community and a healing approach-and I’m honestly dealing with retaliation by a person who was put into a position of power for even attempting any kind of accountability for sexual assault and this experience is honestly making this concept seem a bit naive. You can’t just have one person attempting transformative justice, there needs to be community support or at least the support of both parties. In my case, I’m sorry to say my situation has worsened as I try to minimize harm and punitive response, but this is serious stuff, and I think it’s important to acknowledge the ways that in this world these techniques could empower an oppressor.
That being said; AMB, love your work!
I shouldn’t say empower an oppressor, but if they see it as escalation, and are already your oppressor, now you’re in deeper
@@moriahchilders4154 their video titled 'What is Accountability?' (around 1 hr 26 min long) i feel like has a really good discussion about the (pretty common) instances where the accountability process stumbles and even potentially backfires. it's totally not on you to burden all the labor that goes into facilitating an accountability process and I think it's important no matter what it looks like to prioritize your own healing and safety in all of this (because at the end of the day the accountability process that you are trying to facilitate is also designed for them to grow and heal). and if they aren't ready to have that process/the process is taking a negative toll on your healing and safety I think you should definitely prioritize your healing and safety. what you said about the transformative justice process requiring community/mutual support is really true, I hope you are able to find a way forward that works to keep you safe (a way that hopefully doesn't involve the state) and sending you prayers for your healing process :)
Oh it absolutely isn't on you as an individual to try and change people who directly harm and have power over you! It takes cultural and social change, and community. As you have mentioned.
I hope no one has made you feel as if it is solely your responsibility.
Best wishes to you, hope your situation gets better, thank you for sharing!
Thank you for sharing this. These tools can be and unfortunately have been weaponized by people with patterns of causing harm. If someone does not have the socio-emotional capacity for empathy, compassion, and personal accountability, transformative justice becomes a mechanism to avoid accountability from people who are already hesitant to address harm directly due to their own experiences with punitive justice or victim-blaming and backlash. I've been avoiding holding someone accountable for the same thing for the very reasons that you described here. I'm so sorry you had this experience and hope that you have received care and support since this comment was posted.
This is great stuff. Our criminal justice system is a massive moral and public safety failure. Transformative justice is the most intelligent approach to crime that I have heard yet. A lot of unintelligent people have negative things to say about it, but innovation and social movements are not led by small, simple minds. Keep up the good work!
I think a lot about how indigenous Native American and African societies have historically practiced transformative justice in their societies for centuries (of course they didn’t use this Western term) before colonization/slavery decimated their traditions.
Amazing video! Thank you for making it!
I really appreciate this idea and want to further develop it- with that I must ask, how can we protect victims of an abuser in a transformative justice model?
Damn, she (Adrienne) just made me think about my personal practices and habits when dealing/experiencing harm. The concept is so different when facing strangers, people I have not personally experienced. And so now I think about the ways I can adopt/apply these practices within my personal experiences. I think about this particular experience around a man that put my friends and I in a unsafe and uncomfortable environment. Hmmmm I am GRATEFUL for this food for thought. So grateful.
i have been struggling trying wrap my head around this completely and i am really glad to have found these videos they are helping for sure I am part of a queer collective that is just now forming itself and this top is on our agenda for next meeting under how we will be dealing with conflict and putting together our mission
Here from Spring Up. They are an incredible org with free and cheap courses! I hope to bring TJ to the field of education. The criminalization of kids and adultism is an urgent issue. It’s horrifying that certain ppl are victims/survivors from the second they’re born. It’s a sick world and I’m trying to be a part of the change.
thank you! this is so amazing, i'm gonna binge everything you've put up on transformative justice
I would appreciate any links that people know of that outline practical application of TJ. This video (which I realize is an intro) is so broad that it sounds purely theoretical. They touch on the criminal justice system, ending jailing, how to raise children, healing (of victims, I assume?), changing societal responses violence (but without changing the state?), fighting poverty that leads to crime, basic communication skills, and more. That's a lot of things. Also, I think the relationship between victim and criminal and that affects of trauma are perhaps not being viewed as the deeply complex issues that they are.
Any brown men here feeling like "fuuuuck, how am I even supposed to heal from this life??"
Anyone can see the escalation, class power, and blaming individual accountability on Nextdoor - it's a Master Class in understanding the head space of punitive "justice".
This is such an important video.
Of what not to do
Thank you for this gift
An incredibly educational 10 mins. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing this 🙏
This video series is amazing, thank y'all so much!
This is awesome, thanks! I've been trying to learn more about transformative justice processes and this was a good starting point.
you did a great job with this video and the others seems to be awesome too!!
Glad I watched this video. It was recommended to me. I was violently mugged a week ago by two men (I have videos about this on youtube) and it looks like at least one will be caught and probably prosecuted. Yet I am sickened by the idea of jails and prisons, and I know how awful they can be. I want to feel safe from my muggers (at least one lives in my neighborhood!) and for that reason jail for him/them looks pretty appealing to me, however, I desperately am searching for alternatives, both in practice and if not that then in theory. So I think many of these ideas are good. I think this video was weak, however, at least in my case, because it didn't mention, or only mentioned tangentially, how much people who do awful things to others were abused and neglected in their own homes as little children. I sense that was the case with the two men who mugged me. I think the only real transformative justice for me will be if I MYSELF heal from the trauma they inflicted on me, and, secondarily (my big hope) if THEY heal from the traumas in their lives inflicted on them. Yes, society contributed to this, but I believe, based on my life experience, that the primary harm was caused to them in their families of origin, that was what set them up to behave in such an inhumane way toward me. And I also believe our only hope as a society and as a species is individual healing from childhood traumas at a mass level. To think that changing society's iniquities alone will solve these problems (not that the video explicitly said that) is naive. Thanks for listening. And thanks to the people in this video for the ideas!!!! I am hungry for more ideas.
Thank you for sharing!🖤♥💚
I would love to be able to show this You Tube to our church's congregation. I have emailed the Barnard Center about this, and one of the producers of the video, Dean Spade, but haven't received a response from either. I'm hoping by posting this someone can tell me the best way to go about getting permission to shows this in a Zoom presentation to our congregation. Thanks.
You can do a screenshare during Zoom and share this video with your congregation. It is available publically here on UA-cam so sharing with others is great :)
@@nuloo Thanks, Danielle, for taking the time to reply. I recently heard from Mariame Kaba, one of the producers, who said it is okay to use the video as long as it is for educational purposes. Also, I believe you're not allowed to charge any money to whomever your audience is. Our restorative justice team is excited about including this in our Sunday service!
Fort Hood Needs to see this video!!!!
I think all judges and lawyers and the justice system needs to see this video
Amazing video! Thank youuu
Thank you for this video
This would be especially good for autistic people and for most ND people in general IMO.
No how do you make up for murder that’s what I would like to know
That's up to the surviving stakeholders harmed by the murder - including, to some extent, the entire community. Also depends on the details of the murder itself.
An apology and promise he/she won’t kill anyone again will suffice the brutal murder of your loved one in the hands of a monster 😂😂
These people are liberals who have lost their minds. They live in a bubble not realizing the real world is harsh and full of evil people
@@pzgeyo1995 Your life is ruled by fear and an obsession with punishment. That's not better.
@@agabrielrose In Pakistan, the family can decide not to criminally charge the killer of one of the members. It happens a lot with honor killings (brother or father killing the daughter for posting "provocative" photos on the internet). Would that be okay with you?
@@ilanouh Resistance to hegemony needs to come from within the society in question. We're not gonna be able to bomb Pakistan into treating women better or whatever. Point is, it's not up to me.
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Didn’t get my vote.
I don't find the therapy useful because society isn't responsible for why people have a history of making ruinous choices.
Hello. Does preventing violence and harm begin with examining specifically who is raising perfectly healthy newborns maturing into apparent emotionally troubled, sometimes violent teen and adult citizens largely lacking EMPATHY Compassion and Respect for their peaceful or less fortunate neighbors!
*California Surgeon General Dr Nadine Burke Harris* and her medical colleagues hold the key to PREVENTING violence and HATE.
Peace.
Unfortunately this noble idea--figuring out how to respond violence without resorting to violence--is intellectually bereft of context. Being nasty, evil, opportunistic are part and parcel of the human genome. Violence underlies every human interaction--it begins with the flight and fight reaction. It is utilized to uphold the principles of private property (moi,i don't believe in private property beyond a tooth brush. If you want to own what you own and go where you wish then you are in the position of being obligated to those people who will protect you--by using violence. As long as there are disparities of wealth, religion, private property there will be--must be--violence. Our human ability to be aggressive is what makes us human. While laudable this transformative justice notion is naive and, worse, childish. If one wants to "turn the other cheek" I honor you. But a human fights back. And the final point: if the environment is "saved" (a purely matter of opinion) or justice for minorities(minorities in other countries as well as in the US) or we all diligently march in the same direction then the world will bea truly boring place. Violence is a necessary game played by Shiva and Jehova and Buddha et.al. It is part of the human dance. It informs our art and our literature. Engaging in it--avoiding it--deploring it: this is who we are. I fear the uneducated generations to come who fail to understand this.
I am disabled and harassed..
something is stuck in her nose
This sounds like Communism...great in theory, horrible when applied to the real world. I support the idea, I just don’t think it is based in reality.
🙄🙄🙄
Sounds like victim blaming
Care to elaborate? To me, it's the society as a whole taking responsibility for the systems that lead to violence and crime. Society is not a "victim" in most of those circumstances, it is the instigator.'
@@amandaharvey4884 you just said it. Its society's resposiblitlty to raiss peiple not to commit crimes. Its not society that raises kids. Its parents.
Amanda Harvey so how should society take responsibility for pedophiles?
@@chrissafalos2632 what If someone gave someone an injury that needs stem cells to fix but the person that did it was not a trained professional
@@chrissafalos2632 parents are part of society
This could be renamed to "Coddling Criminals".
Yes, they have so much sympathy for criminals, yet the innocent victims are totally forgotten. Don’t let the soft language and voice fool u, these people have evil intentions shrouded in their sympathy
@@Gogetta80 the point is to ask why. Not say it is ok. You make that part up. Nothing you state in your comment is said in the video. You didn't even watch it.
This is 10 mins of people saying the same thing over and over again. Some people are just evil and should not be part of society
Leftists are really good at speaking for a long time but not actually saying much. When u pad out a video that coulda been 90 seconds into 10 minutes, makes it seem more legitimate
This is baby Brain thinking. There are no good guys and bad guys. Good and evil are in fairy tales.
That would be the complete opposite of transformative justice lol..
Are these people serious?
They have lost their minds
yes
@@jordasn Hilarious how people can be so naive.
Not an argument.
@@MrSteak not an argument. You have nothing to say because you didn't listen to what was said.
This is extremely stupid and would only work for parenting