Gun Debate ft. Vincent James and Dr. John Lott

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  • Опубліковано 16 тра 2019
  • Destiny debates Vincent James for a third round.
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  • @BananaManVEVO
    @BananaManVEVO 5 років тому +1389

    Cenk's Nephew's friend got put in a binder this debate.

    • @badbadnotgoodgoodgodnotbad2930
      @badbadnotgoodgoodgodnotbad2930 5 років тому +33

      This video truely shows that destiny just like the left only care about winning, whether or not they're right or wrong

    • @SenseiTumbleweed
      @SenseiTumbleweed 5 років тому +99

      Destiny actually listened to John Lott. He said he wanted to research what Lott was positing before trying to debate him because there was a lot of new information to him potentially. He wasnt trying to win this one. He was trying to understand new info.

    • @icemeoutlikeelsa
      @icemeoutlikeelsa 5 років тому +58

      He wasn't trying to win, he was actually trying to have a conversation. Try it sometime.

    • @PressPlayAllDay4life
      @PressPlayAllDay4life 5 років тому +34

      How was this a debate, it was mostly Destiny listening

    • @PressPlayAllDay4life
      @PressPlayAllDay4life 5 років тому +4

      @@icemeoutlikeelsa that is correct

  • @neonbarnowl
    @neonbarnowl 5 років тому +1079

    Why do all these guys sound like different versions of Kermit The Frog?

    • @rachelwindsor850
      @rachelwindsor850 5 років тому +41

      I'm getting more of a Bert from Sesamestreet vibe from Vincent James.

    • @rogersmith996
      @rogersmith996 5 років тому +37

      Is that why they use those stale ass Pepe memes?

    • @jaredlalal
      @jaredlalal 5 років тому +29

      Why is this so accurate

    • @InfernoBlade64
      @InfernoBlade64 5 років тому +17

      Neon Barn Owl I thought this guy was Jordan Peterson until I saw the name next to Vincent james

    • @neonbarnowl
      @neonbarnowl 5 років тому +17

      @@jaredlalal I think the right is gonna make a KCU (Kermit Cinematic Universe) their powerhouse is gonna Jordan Peterson.

  • @JeremyGluckStuff
    @JeremyGluckStuff 5 років тому +793

    Starting off with a real hard cringe with the Hasan introduction

    • @jonathanthainguyen
      @jonathanthainguyen 5 років тому +92

      Jeremy Gluck That bit spoke wonders about their integrity. It’s what people would call a dog whistle.

    • @at5203
      @at5203 5 років тому +54

      It was so blatant that I couldn't believe he did it.
      Man, his fans must be really dumb.

    • @hellsing1324
      @hellsing1324 5 років тому

      @@jonathanthainguyen ⁿl00,,0#9!

    • @firesong7825
      @firesong7825 5 років тому +8

      Just trying to discredit Destiny to their viewers.

    • @kleptopolarbear1609
      @kleptopolarbear1609 5 років тому +4

      Oh yea and compare that with the ass kissing he did with the other guy...doesnt really come of as a bad faith actor

  • @blaxxun9051
    @blaxxun9051 5 років тому +508

    Vince's sentient binder turned on him in this debate.

    • @hellraiser5671
      @hellraiser5671 5 років тому +16

      *Colouring book

    • @uxaenarrhythmia1483
      @uxaenarrhythmia1483 5 років тому +18

      I read your comment before finishing the video, I thought it was kind of dumb and didn't make any sense. After the video upon revisiting your comment it was infinitely more amusing.

    • @dukeduck9362
      @dukeduck9362 5 років тому +8

      This comment is a gift

    • @bullsfan2021
      @bullsfan2021 5 років тому

      LOOOOOOOOOL STAHP IT

  • @pathocrat
    @pathocrat 5 років тому +254

    "And now for the introductions. Professor Dr. John Lott, Ph.D. is listed as 6'2" tall..."

    • @audreyalbritton1435
      @audreyalbritton1435 5 років тому +71

      His schlong is 9 inches long and he tests a 300 IQ...

    • @mkm1015
      @mkm1015 3 роки тому

      Where is the rematch of this debate?

  • @roningarrison
    @roningarrison 5 років тому +346

    "Dr John Lott of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Protector of the Realm, Lady Regent of the Seven Kingdoms, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons."

    • @cosmojenkins3020
      @cosmojenkins3020 5 років тому +90

      Destiny, 30 year old gamer, of Hasan Piker’s friend.

    • @cosmojenkins3020
      @cosmojenkins3020 5 років тому +5

      Ronin Garrison 😂😂😂

    • @Reel___
      @Reel___ 5 років тому +6

      bahahaha awesome comment, I was thinking the same thing.

    • @dataw0lf216
      @dataw0lf216 5 років тому +24

      Ronin Garrison “... This is Steven bonnell.
      ...He’s Cenk’s nephews friend.”

    • @p.chuckmoralesesquire3965
      @p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 5 років тому +7

      Yeah and Vince really went out of his way to spin Destiny as the eeeeeeeeeevil leftist SJW TYT fanatic ghost of a twitter liberal that haunts their dreams. Buckle up folks for some uber-cringe self-serious right-wing whack jobs.

  • @water-111
    @water-111 5 років тому +160

    Vincent: *speaks*
    Lott: "That has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about"

  • @smallwjl
    @smallwjl 5 років тому +372

    I noticed you stopped reading that last sentence so I'll read it for you 😂🤣😂🤣😂

    • @0498kizerb
      @0498kizerb 5 років тому +7

      Joshua Smallwood Got em!

    • @nickgardner1408
      @nickgardner1408 5 років тому +71

      Further evidence that that Vince is purposely disingenuous and not used to being challenged on any academic level. Listening to Vince put on the brakes mid-sentence, then having Destiny call him out by finishing the article for him was by far my favorite part of this debate.

    • @cm999
      @cm999 5 років тому +5

      Timestamp please.

    • @contradei5037
      @contradei5037 5 років тому +37

      21:30 you're welcome

    • @unknown-vo3di
      @unknown-vo3di 5 років тому +8

      @@contradei5037 i was about to ask for it thanks buddy edit: it just shows that vincent doesnt care about facts he just wants to back his argument.

  • @adamsoundcloud4248
    @adamsoundcloud4248 5 років тому +764

    Destiny when are you going to debate Nathan on whether Minecraft or Roblox is the better game in terms of overall experience.
    No one else like it’s on 666, everyone be cool

    • @kgth3b3ast40
      @kgth3b3ast40 5 років тому +54

      I haven't even watched this yet and I already know that would be more of an intellectual debate then this

    • @gingirvitis
      @gingirvitis 5 років тому +1

      Lmao

    • @ChristopherTheBanana
      @ChristopherTheBanana 5 років тому +26

      Destiny will get oof'd in that debate

    • @coolboy9979
      @coolboy9979 5 років тому +29

      Destiny only debates against people where he knows that he is right and can win.
      Nathan is a level higher

    • @bostonbignutts
      @bostonbignutts 5 років тому +5

      Frankly, he's not ready for Nathan's intellect.

  • @mr.min1ster928
    @mr.min1ster928 5 років тому +628

    Vincent is such a dishonest actor, that was so obvious when he stopped reading because the next sentence was against his position lmao.

    • @malirk
      @malirk 5 років тому +31

      I cringed so hard.... I stopped the video. Destiny is great but Vincent just showed me this is a waste of time to hear his voice.

    • @at5203
      @at5203 5 років тому +35

      Destiny really needs to harp more on these guys when something like that happens. He let's them move on too quickly.

    • @malirk
      @malirk 5 років тому +8

      @@at5203 He called it out well enough. It was apparent that Vincent was dishonet and that's the best he can do. The debate has to continue.

    • @donkeyshow8543
      @donkeyshow8543 5 років тому +15

      He ALWAYS does that. Watch his other "debates" with Destiny, Destiny always catches it and calls Vince out for his dishonest reading.

    • @malirk
      @malirk 5 років тому +11

      @Conan Wills I'd say Destiny usually holds his own. I've never seen him completely destroyed but some debates he has performed worse in. Which debates do you think he performed the worst in?

  • @kicsiqki
    @kicsiqki 5 років тому +148

    Lott and Destiny: discussion about methodology and data
    Vincent: GANGS

    • @justsayin1991
      @justsayin1991 4 роки тому +16

      kicsiqki not just any gangs, CHICAGO GANGS FILLED WITH BLACKS

    • @liam.s789
      @liam.s789 4 роки тому +10

      kicsiqki Lott and destiny: intellectual debate
      Vincent: gangs, “what about Chicago” lmao he’s an idiot

  • @Iamcamper31
    @Iamcamper31 5 років тому +185

    Destiny, y’know, CENK’S NEPHEWS FRIEND

  • @2for99cents
    @2for99cents 5 років тому +79

    Debating Vincent is like racing a no legged elderly person .

  • @poerava
    @poerava 5 років тому +241

    Vincent ‘but black gang members in Chicago’ James.

    • @Raistero1
      @Raistero1 5 років тому +6

      But Boisy Louisiana?

    • @poerava
      @poerava 5 років тому +3

      @UnexpectedParsnip
      I also have 8 weapons on me now, including an AR15 and I’m not black or in one of the 33,000 gangs. And the second amendment.

    • @Raistero1
      @Raistero1 5 років тому +2

      Kee-pyor Myndopen I meant to quote Boisy ‘Idaho’... I was just trying to hop on the troll train :)

    • @poerava
      @poerava 5 років тому

      @UnexpectedParsnip
      Hehe. All good. I gotcha. Vincent Kermit James is a goose

    • @poerava
      @poerava 5 років тому +2

      @Democratic Communist
      lol. He has a large red binder of black dudes and their addresses that his wife has swiped right to on tinder and carries 3 guns with him at all times. Sounds safe to me.

  • @thelibtard7358
    @thelibtard7358 5 років тому +180

    Are we sure John Lott isn’t Jordan Peterson? Their voices are eerily similar....

    • @seanrahman7129
      @seanrahman7129 5 років тому +11

      IKR, I was just thinking this guy sounds like Kermit too

    • @bennson13
      @bennson13 5 років тому +6

      I don't know what kind of sound system you're using but they don't sound similar at all for me...

    • @cosmojenkins3020
      @cosmojenkins3020 5 років тому

      😂😂😂

    • @MLPGamer44
      @MLPGamer44 5 років тому +1

      There were definitely some times when the Lott guy would say something that peterson loves to say and I legit could see this guy doing a great peterson impression.

    • @uraletz
      @uraletz 5 років тому

      All white people sound the same, obviously.

  • @xaviersgiantego1453
    @xaviersgiantego1453 5 років тому +221

    the real debate is gonna be the follow up between Destiny and the Dr

    • @kakibackup2koujo612
      @kakibackup2koujo612 5 років тому +11

      xaviersgiantego If it ever happen.

    • @cabbagedestroyer1693
      @cabbagedestroyer1693 5 років тому +22

      Destiny refused the second debate

    • @icin4d
      @icin4d 5 років тому +8

      Eliminating Vincent would be value added.

    • @onrev
      @onrev 5 років тому +6

      Do you happen to know why destiny refused the second debate?

    • @cabbagedestroyer1693
      @cabbagedestroyer1693 5 років тому +17

      @@onrev in one of his streams on twitch he stated that gun debates are boring and it requires too much of his time to dig into it. And he never talked about it since.

  • @cuckholdaiofcuckadd4209
    @cuckholdaiofcuckadd4209 5 років тому +75

    DESTINY died by the castle doctrine in this DEBATE

    • @Bingquillin
      @Bingquillin 5 років тому +1

      I like your profile

    • @Gucksav
      @Gucksav 5 років тому

      Cuckold oldCuck dlokcuC kcuCdlo

    • @p.chuckmoralesesquire3965
      @p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 5 років тому

      blah blah blah hours long intro for some dude spewing no shortage of endless establishment orthodoxy VS a youtube guy. In a way, that introduction was a rip on John Lott for doing a youtube debate. God dammit I hate it when economist shit heads dont stay in their lane.

  • @5TailFox
    @5TailFox 5 років тому +29

    I don't think this went the way Vincent hoped it would go.

  • @seanrahman7129
    @seanrahman7129 5 років тому +145

    Destiny CALMLY pulls his HOSTAGE out of a THICC binder in this MASTER debate

  • @sunshinekreu7684
    @sunshinekreu7684 5 років тому +63

    I imagine this debate felt like when you introduce your best friend to your new friend and they ditch you for each other

  • @mulesa101
    @mulesa101 5 років тому +68

    If we take Vince out of this equation, this would actually be a wholesome debate.

    • @mulesa101
      @mulesa101 2 роки тому

      @Logan Lee Reading way to deep here my dude. Fuckin' unwind your twisted panties and go sip some frappacino .

    • @mulesa101
      @mulesa101 2 роки тому

      @Logan Lee Sowwy, me two-bit neantherthal smoosh of a brain don't understand youz debat bro speaking.

  • @InfernoBlade64
    @InfernoBlade64 5 років тому +383

    I love how Vincent needed a debate partner since destiny destroyed him last time

    • @kezicss
      @kezicss 5 років тому +20

      So we want to get closer to the truth and get tge best information or watch 2 people talk nonsense?

    • @angelluis762
      @angelluis762 5 років тому +18

      Destiny didn’t destroy him, once Vince brought up the CDC defensive gun uses he lost. Destiny of course weaseled out of that by saying we don’t know how many of them were successful.

    • @angelluis762
      @angelluis762 5 років тому +18

      Not to mention anytime Destiny is somewhat losing in a debate he brings up some authoritative figure the only difference is Vince was smart enough to bring him on the stream to put Destiny in his place on guns.

    • @kezicss
      @kezicss 5 років тому +5

      @Jay Are Goes Hard So Destiny debated the phD guy and not Vince, where's the problem?

    • @Sniperfuchs
      @Sniperfuchs 5 років тому +43

      @@angelluis762 It's not weaseling out though. Neither could make an argument about whether or not using a gun to defend yourself is successful or not because very clear data on the matter simply doesn't exist. The difference is that Destiny acknowledged it while Vince lives in a fantasy world.
      Small edit: I changed it so it says "clear data on the matter doesn't exist" from "no data" because that better describes what's going on. What Destiny used in that other debate obviously uses a specific definition of what "successful" means, therefore I wouldn't want to go all-in here since there is a discussion to be had about any study of course.

  • @jinjrax8625
    @jinjrax8625 5 років тому +70

    54:15 Respect for Lott. Doesn't care about *winning* he cares about the ideas and the topic. Vincent remains a mong,

    • @liam.s789
      @liam.s789 4 роки тому

      Biggus Dictus that was funny

    • @liam.s789
      @liam.s789 4 роки тому

      yea it's all about Chicago and black people.

  • @3rdCoastAlliance
    @3rdCoastAlliance 5 років тому +26

    Vincent brought Dr. Lott on because his descriptive claims align with his, but he seems to be a little unnerved that what Dr. Lott prescribes is a mixed bag of ideas that doesn't fully support what he's been dog-whistling.
    Dr. Lott from what I can tell is a normal conservative, and far more reasonable than what Destiny deals with on average.

  • @mrjimmbo
    @mrjimmbo 5 років тому +103

    Hahaha Destiny: can john send it to me. Brilliant

    • @juuk3103
      @juuk3103 5 років тому

      Vincents respond is even funnier 🤣

  • @iamsheep
    @iamsheep 5 років тому +33

    29:47 that silent laugh is priceless...Vincent was not prepared for Lott and Destiny to agree LOL

  • @fastandbulbous9697
    @fastandbulbous9697 5 років тому +3

    I was waiting for this.
    Amazin'

  • @The_passiveObserver
    @The_passiveObserver 5 років тому +116

    Vincent's got the smoothest brain in the Wild Wild West

  • @MillzTheAthlete
    @MillzTheAthlete 5 років тому +176

    Loved how John backed far away from Vince's racist positions. Vince couldn't just let John answer Steve's questions about race without diluting the context. Hilarious to hear Vince studderingly cutoff Steve's question.

    • @cosmojenkins3020
      @cosmojenkins3020 5 років тому +15

      Jay Millzz He reminded me of an edgy teenager trying to butt into an adult conversation. Lol

    • @MillzTheAthlete
      @MillzTheAthlete 5 років тому +31

      @@cosmojenkins3020 I even loved how John was correcting Vince when Vince tried to put words into Destiny's mouth. Vince just didn't know how to behave in a rational discussion.

    • @hugechromepeach7916
      @hugechromepeach7916 4 роки тому +2

      @@MillzTheAthlete It's because he thinks Destiny is a good faith debater. Because Destiny never acts childish in debates right?!

    • @MillzTheAthlete
      @MillzTheAthlete 4 роки тому +4

      @@hugechromepeach7916 You can tell who the grown ups in this conversation. Of course Steve is a baby about a lot of thing like ignorantly defending capitalistic ideas. Its always in good faith, thou. He is not pretending to be a capitalist. But, by comparison, Vince has the thought processes of a child, unwilling to debate in good faith. Sticks to scripts, not logic.

    • @hugechromepeach7916
      @hugechromepeach7916 4 роки тому +7

      @@MillzTheAthlete Wrong. Destiny always gets caught failing on the big picture and disingenuously sways the conversation on some minute thing said to weasal his way out of it. He had no way to weasal out of any of Lott's points this time and he has credentials so Destiny can't use the excuse that he has no authority on the matter.
      Destiny was deduced to sitting there like a bitch and saying the war on drugs doesn't work. That's it......
      You're coping with that fact. James is a moderator here, making fun of Destiny's piss poor performance. You're acting like Destiny and Vincent James haven't had this debate before....twice actually. Both being highly contentious and now Destiny is bitching out and accepting James position. Within that context James snide behavior is perfectly justified.
      You're leaving this context out. I wonder if it's on purpose......

  • @cmbeat9169
    @cmbeat9169 5 років тому +17

    Please don't let Binder Vince set up the next debate, just do it on your own channel and leave that smooth brain out of the picture

    • @noah_j_d5945
      @noah_j_d5945 5 років тому +3

      CMbeat 916 it is kinda hilarious tho

  • @wibblemu9
    @wibblemu9 5 років тому +31

    Really excited for the next conversation. It's refreshing to have a debate with someone that isn't irrational

  • @ksilva2848
    @ksilva2848 5 років тому +29

    10:54 lmfao this guy actually came here to do what Destiny asked, to show that the numbers that Vincent had didn't have anything to do with Destiny's arguments hahah

  • @Breakbeat90s
    @Breakbeat90s 5 років тому +39

    Binder sale rates RISE UP!

  • @FluffyFluffles
    @FluffyFluffles 5 років тому +25

    I would like to see Lott have to watch the first debate with Vincent and cringe hard at his data analysis.

  • @dng4679
    @dng4679 5 років тому +25

    Destiny fix your sitting posture, it's terrible. Respect the spine my dude.

  • @OMGYasuke
    @OMGYasuke 5 років тому +52

    Okay guys, how many times did Vincent bring up Chicago?

    • @Gucksav
      @Gucksav 5 років тому +8

      ItsGrumpy 3,832

    • @carminedauria-gupta2561
      @carminedauria-gupta2561 5 років тому

      The it’s a good example

    • @CorporateShill66
      @CorporateShill66 5 років тому +3

      The video is ~80 minutes long, so at the rate of bringing up Chicago every 5 minutes, I would say he did it 16 times

  • @Imulletman12
    @Imulletman12 5 років тому +32

    Vincent James is the perfect example why you can’t trust anyone who has two first names for a full name.

  • @Brofessor_Oak
    @Brofessor_Oak 5 років тому +64

    Is Vincent that guy that brought his binder to debate destiny?

    • @Gucksav
      @Gucksav 5 років тому +11

      Edward Norton yes

    • @Gucksav
      @Gucksav 5 років тому

      sadly

    • @Wilantonjakov
      @Wilantonjakov 4 роки тому +4

      using a binder is still better than googling wikipedia articles in the middle of debates

    • @Wilantonjakov
      @Wilantonjakov 4 роки тому +1

      @Rational European Destiny and his fans are brainwashed and retarded, they'll complain about anything.

    • @Wilantonjakov
      @Wilantonjakov 4 роки тому +2

      @@samson7294 I'm not taking moral and political advice from someone who watches Hunter Avallone.

  • @peffiSC2source
    @peffiSC2source 5 років тому +98

    Binder Andy invites "academic" whose controversy section on Wikipedia is longer than the rest of his page.

    • @connortouchton1223
      @connortouchton1223 5 років тому +27

      Бегущий По Очам wait, you know that being a person who holds a PhD and conducts studies means they are in the academic community, right?

    • @snkenjoyer4989
      @snkenjoyer4989 5 років тому +38

      @@burning_pie most academics dont have a controversy section longer than the rest oftheir page. this is common knowledge lol

    • @peffiSC2source
      @peffiSC2source 5 років тому +11

      @@burning_pie
      I put it in quotation marks because his academic rigor was questioned multiple times by his peers and colleagues. Also, he is an economist, that doesn't give him any more insight in the fields of philosophy or law, where the root of gun ownership should be debated in.
      So someone who is arguing outside his field, is known in academic circles to not work academically and was very likely funded by the very people he seems to defend against all academic discourse is in fact someone that should beat the very least questioned solely on the basis of who he is, not what he says. When I rad about the guy, I wasn't interested in hearing the rest of the debate anymore, purely from an academic standpoint because to me it seems like Binder Andy got himself some NRA yesman that is an academic in a field that has very little to do with guns.

    • @matieubissonnette3212
      @matieubissonnette3212 5 років тому +6

      @@FlunderingChipper If only comments could be pinned on UA-cam because yours here deserves to be mandatory reading for anybody watching this video.

    • @burning_pie
      @burning_pie 5 років тому

      @@dcon9995
      By putting it in quotation I was only referring to the original commentator on why HE wrote the word 'academic' with quotation marks because John Lott IS a recognized academic/scientist (as I've mentioned he holds a PhD. From UCLA) and thus quotation marks had no point. It's fucking sad I must lay out such obvious things to you. ;(

  • @shananigan1
    @shananigan1 5 років тому +1

    Can't wait for the follow-up debate.

  • @user-tn5be2uh6t
    @user-tn5be2uh6t 5 років тому +49

    Racists use this psychological phenomenon known as "motivated reasoning". It's where an irrational action is then followed by looking for reasons to make that action more rational. For example: If I like eating curtains, for no apparent reason, like I really just want to eat curtains all day, someone comes along and asks me why, then I'm always looking for explanations:
    1. Curtains have x% of polyester, which when digested, can help keep cancer away.
    2. This study shows that some kids who actually chewed on pieces of curtain before scored higher on their SAT scores.
    etc, etc.
    Racists always hate first, the attempts at justifications always come second.
    1. Minorities are always on welfare,
    2. Low education, IQ.
    3. Violent.
    4. Criminals
    etc, etc.
    Once you control for any reasoning they have, it always comes back to the irrational bias towards race. For example: If they say, "I think we should deport African Americans because they tend to be criminals." Just ask why not deport all criminals?
    They will always push back because they know they would be deporting tens of millions of whites as well.

    • @Wolfsins
      @Wolfsins 5 років тому

      Is it an irrational bias? I'm starting to think it's just tribalism. I guess it can still be called irrational if it is tribalism, but then I don't think it would be sitting you can reason or rationalize your way out of it

    • @Wolfsins
      @Wolfsins 5 років тому +1

      @Kevin Gallagher that last part is true, however I don't think tribalism is necessarily irrational.

    • @Wolfsins
      @Wolfsins 5 років тому +1

      @Kevin Gallagher favoring your tribe over others

    • @shrekfanboy5446
      @shrekfanboy5446 5 років тому +5

      @@Wolfsins It's irrational because "your tribe" is defined arbitrarily. I don't want to get into it the whole argument of how race is socially constructed and what not, but a racist white guy in america will 100% have more in common with a black american than a Swede in Stockholm or a Bosnian in Sarajevo, yet the racist white has a logical preference for them just because they share one common gene that reduces the amount of pigmentation in their skin? The racist's "tribe" should reasonably be more defined by common beliefs, language, culture and behavior, so reasonably, an american who happens to be black would be far more socially close with the white american racist who would likely have little in common with the examples I mentioned.
      Keep in mind, evolutionary despoition towards in-group preference evolved over millions of years before modern notions of race, or even before actual observable racial differences even existed. The modern notion that different "tribes" can be distinguished by something as relatively recent as biologically different appearances is just that- modern and it is erroneously used by race (((realists))) to justify their stupidity.

    • @Wolfsins
      @Wolfsins 5 років тому

      @@shrekfanboy5446 oh ok.

  • @TheOneTheyCallFrost
    @TheOneTheyCallFrost 5 років тому +11

    Destiny asks Vince a question.
    Vince: "So John, what do you think?"

  • @tylerbassett5619
    @tylerbassett5619 5 років тому +2

    This is already starting off great!

  • @paragonviolet1719
    @paragonviolet1719 5 років тому +4

    Oh boy, this is gonna be good.

  • @jackruby6696
    @jackruby6696 5 років тому +23

    It be funny if Steve got his own PhD teacher and they battle it out like jojo

  • @eeneremadu
    @eeneremadu 5 років тому +80

    Oh lord this Vincent James guy is back again? *grabs popcorn*

    • @cookiebandit18
      @cookiebandit18 5 років тому

      The John shutting Vincent up when he zigzags that you put on this popcorn is scrumptious.

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 5 років тому +23

    The only time I've liked a technical difficulty as it stopped the eye rolling sucking off of the other guy.

  • @trescohen8232
    @trescohen8232 5 років тому +3

    I absolutely cant wait for part 2. Im so happy vince found someone whos actually smart. And create an actual intelligent conversatiom between destiny and john that i can learn from.

  • @cornheadahh
    @cornheadahh 5 років тому +58

    I consider myself right leaning and watching Destiny is moving me a bit more to the left. I've always stereotyped most left wingers as "SJWs" who want to shutdown any form of criticism and who get outraged easily, but from watching Destiny I realized that it isn't entirely true.
    I feel like commenting this is pretty pointless but it's proof that Destiny's debates do change some people's minds even someone like me who isn't really that smart lol

    • @Hee443
      @Hee443 5 років тому +12

      I’m always glad to see comments like these. The right wing content creators strawman and create be narrative that all left wingers are those insane “SJWs” but it’s all just dishonest political posturing by the right to keep the narrative they want to go. I hope you keep realizing left is best!

    • @SammyBooy2814
      @SammyBooy2814 5 років тому +3

      pdhouse you should check out Kyle kulinski on secular talk bro. He’s pretty good as well.

    • @azraeleditz4273
      @azraeleditz4273 4 роки тому +4

      I suggest rather than leaning left or right based off certain youtubers do ur own research but i understand what ur saying and i am not trying to be rude.

    • @hugechromepeach7916
      @hugechromepeach7916 4 роки тому +2

      Why? All Destiny contributed to this was to say the War on Drugs is bad.....no shit.
      He is truly awful at debate and hardly ever makes decent points. He's lost every debate I've ever seen him in.

    • @rafterman5072
      @rafterman5072 3 роки тому

      @@Hee443 I agree that there are a TON of those types of creators, but there are good right wing commentators as well.

  • @roymarshall_
    @roymarshall_ 5 років тому +4

    I am VERY interested in the follow up to this

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 5 років тому +62

    "Russia has a very high gun murder rate", yeah it may be high but it's lower than the US...
    So all we have is Brazil and Mexico who are medium income nations.

    • @cabbagedestroyer1693
      @cabbagedestroyer1693 5 років тому +12

      Venezuela, Columbia, half of African nations, many middle eastern countries.
      The issue is that America has more similarities with south American nations than with western European nations. No western European nation has such a high gang % or a drug issue compared to America.

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 5 років тому +8

      @Rea-Zea 01 well that's only when you look at 2016 vs 2016 look at 2018 America's is higher.

    • @TheSolder777
      @TheSolder777 5 років тому +6

      russia also has a lower "minorities" %, most of the shootings in the u.s are gang related, most gangs are minority based. i'm not even amercian and i can't believe i'm actually debating u.s politics but man...

    • @MadJackChurchill1312
      @MadJackChurchill1312 5 років тому +13

      thesoldier This fucking motivated reasoning lmao. No wonder you Stan Vincent. Amazin

    • @saltysocks1074
      @saltysocks1074 4 роки тому

      @@TheSolder777
      Yikes, total gang related death average around 2k a year. Homicide in America by guns alone is usually 11k a year.

  • @aominedaiki3112
    @aominedaiki3112 5 років тому +89

    the feeling when guns have more freedom than a women has over her body

    • @mkd1113
      @mkd1113 5 років тому +12

      You aren't "free" to deprive another human being of their life. It's not just "her" body that is effected, but the baby's as well. Also, how TF do inanimate objects like guns possess freedom?

    • @otteris4323
      @otteris4323 5 років тому +18

      I know right, I'm a woman and I tried to go to a school, they wouldn't let me in, couldn't go on a plane, also the woman free zones are really annoying. Can't be near kids ether which really sucks, can't enter any government buildings, can't even go to a polling place vote. really sucks

    • @aominedaiki3112
      @aominedaiki3112 5 років тому +20

      @@otteris4323 idk guns seem to be pretty accepted in schools in the united states

    • @otteris4323
      @otteris4323 5 років тому +2

      @@aominedaiki3112 dude xdd😂😆😆😜🤧🤧😩😩 edgy amirtite🙈🙈😭😭😩😩🇦🇫🇮🇱🇰🇵🤡

    • @cabbagedestroyer1693
      @cabbagedestroyer1693 5 років тому +5

      So women has to stay in house and cannot go out in public or go in to their vehicle without permission with police in California or NY state?

  • @audreyalbritton1435
    @audreyalbritton1435 5 років тому +27

    Did anyone else picture Vince REEing on the inside when the Dr. talked about racial bias against young black males in firearm purchasing?

    • @hugechromepeach7916
      @hugechromepeach7916 4 роки тому +1

      No. Pretty sure he would agree.
      Sorry you can't handle that fact that blacks kill disproportionately than any other race. Some people put logic over feelings.

    • @isakferm7674
      @isakferm7674 4 роки тому +4

      Huge Chrome Peach No one on either sidf argues against that dude. Neither has destiny

    • @n8m102
      @n8m102 3 роки тому +3

      Huge Chrome Peach nobody argues that, you just want to say 13/50 and run away because your too stupid to engage with context

    • @damnedifido1062
      @damnedifido1062 2 роки тому

      @@hugechromepeach7916 literally no one argues against that you idiot. You just want to point to one problem to try and negate another problem which is evident by the other comments you left on this channel

    • @hugechromepeach7916
      @hugechromepeach7916 2 роки тому

      @@damnedifido1062 So you're projecting the fact that you want to negate black violence and highlight problems that aren't nearly as concerning? Got it.

  • @MAR1N4M1
    @MAR1N4M1 5 років тому +18

    How did Vincent think Dr. Lott would help him in this debate?! LMFAO!!

  • @breeie9900
    @breeie9900 2 роки тому +1

    Very educational debate I really like this

  • @hjge1012
    @hjge1012 5 років тому +7

    What is that introduction? "XXX noted that he has few equals..."
    Is he that guy's publicist or something? Because it sounds like the back of a book, where they selected the most flattering quotes, so the book will sell better. So.... are we trying to sell a book here?

  • @hdudidi
    @hdudidi 4 роки тому +7

    why is playing video games as a adult a insult lollll
    “Dude you watch movies? What are you tWeLve???”

    • @ZackSkinneraaaa
      @ZackSkinneraaaa 4 роки тому +1

      id say that playing with guns is pretty childish. Not sure if vince would ever see his own hypocrisy

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 5 років тому +133

    I'm an economist so therefore I can talk... confidently on... gun crime...

    • @vandibox
      @vandibox 5 років тому +15

      Crime in general is an economic issue

    • @temporarilyembarrassedgodd9656
      @temporarilyembarrassedgodd9656 5 років тому +11

      Don’t forget that Milton Friedman thinks he fuckin tight.

    • @czechmeoutbabe1997
      @czechmeoutbabe1997 5 років тому +47

      Not defending the dude but economics isn’t actually about Money or finance or stuff. It’s about studying decisions in the real world and the effects they have. Gun crime is a completely legitimate subject to study through an economic lens.

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 5 років тому +4

      @@czechmeoutbabe1997 I know it isn't about money but it sure isn't about going into this level of crime and being able to at all discredit medical field work. Also you can study through an economic lens but that would not involve being pro gun and discovering what decrease or increase crime, because that is covered by many other fields other than his who have the theory and past date that he doesn't. That is why they practically all disagree with him.

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 5 років тому +2

      @@vandibox it maybe but you would be looking at how it affects the economy not what lowers or increase those types of crime. That data comes from many different fields which aren't his other than his who have the theory and past date that he doesn't. That is why they practicslly all disagree with him.

  • @shawnb1919
    @shawnb1919 5 років тому +2

    Education system and getting kids into school and want to learn is the biggest debate that needs to be had imo. Thank u John for slightly touching on it there at the end

  • @johndough1284
    @johndough1284 5 років тому +19

    *Destiny looks so bored during that introduction...* LOL

  • @Kligor2
    @Kligor2 5 років тому +4

    I really liked this tbh cause right or wrong aside, he was actually civil and even was like "bruh" whenever Vincent tried to pin you down.

  • @manawa3832
    @manawa3832 5 років тому +5

    It's actually amazing that talking to a PHD brings out good faith arguments. I've seen so many internet debates that are just cat fights of he said she said and deliberate misinterpretations. I forgot how reasonable educated adults are in the real world in comparison to meme lords online, I need to go out more.

  • @trumpanzeehunter9505
    @trumpanzeehunter9505 5 років тому +80

    Didn’t Lott pretend to be a female student online?

    • @thesnorg1442
      @thesnorg1442 5 років тому +63

      not only that, he posted glowing reviews of himself as a professor and an academic author using that persona.
      embarrassing, to be honest.

    • @Simjorfeo
      @Simjorfeo 5 років тому +6

      To be fair that was in the early 2000s, 16 years ago.

    • @MrLeothekingofkings
      @MrLeothekingofkings 5 років тому +25

      Giuseppe your point? That’s a ridiculously dumb thing to do. It shows how little integrity he has. There’s a number of recent controversy’s that he’s been in.

    • @Simjorfeo
      @Simjorfeo 5 років тому +30

      @@MrLeothekingofkings I just think we should address his arguments, not his character and I personally wouldn't want to be judged for something I did almost two centuries ago.

    • @Simjorfeo
      @Simjorfeo 5 років тому +12

      @@traplover6357 You don't know how old I am :^)
      Yes of course, sorry my mistake.

  • @NeoRipshaft
    @NeoRipshaft 5 років тому +1

    ahahaha that introduction is fantastic, this is going to be good

  • @Villifyable
    @Villifyable 5 років тому +3

    "I don't know why you call it a meta-analysis" says the PHD

  • @jacobslinalx89
    @jacobslinalx89 5 років тому +3

    lmao he gave the Dr the Daenerys Targaryen Introduction and gave destiny the john snow greeting lol

  • @endlessxaura
    @endlessxaura 5 років тому +1

    I have so much respect for this video.

  • @firerocket7343
    @firerocket7343 5 років тому +2

    So, is there a follow-up debate which Destiny said he is gonna do?

  • @JoeSchmoHere
    @JoeSchmoHere 5 років тому +42

    Since when was Kermit the Frog an economist?

  • @troelshundtofte8957
    @troelshundtofte8957 5 років тому +59

    30 seconds in and they've introduced John Lott as a "world-recognized expert on guns and crime"...please tell me this gets challenged by Destiny...

    • @johnrlottjr
      @johnrlottjr 4 роки тому +5

      @Baserocklove Here is a paper from earlier this year that was published in a peer-reviewed journal.
      crimeresearch.org/2019/04/in-the-journal-econ-journal-watch-on-is-the-united-states-an-outlier-in-public-mass-shootings-a-comment-on-adam-lankford/

    • @hugechromepeach7916
      @hugechromepeach7916 4 роки тому +2

      @@labtechtech Ohhhhh....thats why Destiny couldn't come up with a single rebuttal. You're coping.

    • @milesnoname7904
      @milesnoname7904 4 роки тому +1

      Huge Chrome Peach Mans why are you just scowling the comment section lol, you know Destiny or any other debater can't just instantly contest point when it digs that deep into data. If you actually watched the video you would know that he wanted to prepare for next time since there's a lot of research into his points would have to be done. Not every debate is gotchas, this was a really intelligent debate and was more of a data deconstruction than a point by point debate

    • @hugechromepeach7916
      @hugechromepeach7916 4 роки тому +1

      @@milesnoname7904 Why are you butt hurt Destiny got REKT? Cope

    • @-scrim
      @-scrim 3 роки тому

      Why would that be challenged? It's true.

  • @jacobbeckmarketing
    @jacobbeckmarketing 3 роки тому +2

    Still waiting for the follow-up! Is there gonna be another one soon? No hate just wondering.

  • @I_Get_Computers_Puting
    @I_Get_Computers_Puting 4 роки тому +1

    I can just hear Vincent's binder going crazy right now as he's flipping through pages, looking for stats.

  • @Boulder7685
    @Boulder7685 5 років тому +7

    Something I wish they touched on was schools, since they did rather focus on overall/gang related rates. From what I can tell, the discussion is always sparked around gun control when another major school shooting occurs, rather than when a gang somewhere wipes out another gang.

  • @THECOHORTONE
    @THECOHORTONE 5 років тому +31

    Appeal to authority: the movie

    • @th3comb1ne13
      @th3comb1ne13 4 роки тому +7

      Meanwhile this particular authority, objectively, has better info than you.

  • @gagesmiles
    @gagesmiles 2 роки тому +1

    Did this debate ever get a round two with the Doc?.

  • @pr3historic647
    @pr3historic647 3 роки тому +2

    Was there a follow up ever?

  • @Swatyo
    @Swatyo 5 років тому +5

    Destiny once again dissapointed us by not being able to falsify the Christian Second Amendament God.

    • @ZebraForceKid
      @ZebraForceKid 5 років тому

      Im crying lmaooooo

    • @Elwood128
      @Elwood128 5 років тому

      Yep no one will ever prove that security takes precedence over freedom, just look at Venezuela.

  • @jaredlalal
    @jaredlalal 5 років тому +5

    Idk why, but this video really helps me go to sleep.

    • @iandoobz6799
      @iandoobz6799 5 років тому +2

      this lott guy goes on for so long, definitely going to use this to go to sleep from now on

    • @andrualton3399
      @andrualton3399 5 років тому

      I have a list if destiny debates I use to help me fall asleep, calm talking is super good white noise

  • @BleakStarshine
    @BleakStarshine 2 роки тому

    This was some of the best content I have ever seen binging this after the last debate.

  • @redcommander27
    @redcommander27 4 роки тому +2

    This seemed like a surprisingly amicable discussion.

    • @Illumirage
      @Illumirage 3 роки тому +3

      which means destiny lost?

    • @Apistevist
      @Apistevist 3 роки тому +1

      @@Illumirage Destiny wins or loses based on RNG, he like most beta Males (I know the word beta is cringy, so is cringy) parse information through a consensus filter of all the other beta Males/Females with no concern of whether or not the information is accurate. Essentially, it's extremely common for leftists to consider information to be correct or false based on how their peers react to it.

  • @BoihazardRE
    @BoihazardRE 5 років тому +4

    TFW chat laughs at Brazil FeelsBadMan

  • @michaelmckeown5396
    @michaelmckeown5396 5 років тому +6

    Is John related to JBP, sounds kinda like him.

  • @stephenpeterson6034
    @stephenpeterson6034 2 роки тому

    @Destiny was a follow up stream ever done on the claims this guy made?

  • @morskakumara1003
    @morskakumara1003 5 років тому +1

    Again??? This is gonna be fun. :)

  • @TheMentallord
    @TheMentallord 4 роки тому +5

    Funnily enough, seems like John disagrees with most of the studies Destiny has read due to methodology, which is a valid point, but not exactly why him and Vince disagreed last time.
    Obviously, Destiny is not a scientific researcher or publisher, it's not really his job or area of expertise, so making this "debate" about methodology is really fucking pointless and a one sided conversation, since only one person in this call really knows what they're talking about when it comes to that.

  • @kagespider2627
    @kagespider2627 5 років тому +37

    Why Am I attracted to femboys
    Even tho I'm straight as road

  • @keving1080
    @keving1080 5 років тому +2

    Did the part 4 ever happen?

  • @NH-gq9qk
    @NH-gq9qk 5 років тому

    oh boy here we go

  • @LordMichaelRahl
    @LordMichaelRahl 5 років тому +5

    To be honest this all feels completely irrelevant and stupid to me, as a European.

  • @Scroobis
    @Scroobis 5 років тому +4

    Vincent James got destroyed by the person he brought on in this debate.

  • @slyrax4154
    @slyrax4154 5 років тому +2

    Every time Vince opened his mouth it sounded like a toddler stumbled into a room where adults were talking

  • @animagamer2
    @animagamer2 5 років тому

    Wait, is the description wrong, or is this really over a month old vod?? What the fuck...

  • @c.b.7238
    @c.b.7238 3 роки тому +4

    I've been revisiting Destiny's old debates lately, and honestly this might be one of my favorites even though I wouldn't call this a debate. I found Lott extremely knowledgeable and despite past controversy, someone who isn't driven by ideology like Vince seems to be (and Destiny, if we're being fair). Lott seems like a guy who wants things to be better. His support for legalizing drugs cements that for me, and puts him in the 100% based camp for me. Hopefully Destiny has him back on sometime.

    • @-scrim
      @-scrim 3 роки тому

      You don't know what "based" means.

    • @c.b.7238
      @c.b.7238 3 роки тому +2

      @@-scrim Is it that, or is it that I called Lott based for something you don't agree with?
      Based doesn't exclusively mean "worthy of praise because it appeals to my racist sensibilities".

  • @Here4TheMemes22
    @Here4TheMemes22 5 років тому +3

    Lmao every time Vincent James opens his mouth the guy he brought on to agree with him tells him to shut up 😂

  • @Rainebowes
    @Rainebowes 5 років тому

    This was less of a debate and more of an interview between a gun laws economist and destiny.

  • @graciemei
    @graciemei Рік тому +1

    I wish destiny would link his and john’s sources in the description

  • @TheRikka21
    @TheRikka21 5 років тому +12

    Destiny and John Lott won this debate.

  • @andrualton3399
    @andrualton3399 5 років тому +9

    Dang, this lott guy seems pretty smart, I would like to hear him talk about more stuff, but he seemed pretty based

  • @theckstyles
    @theckstyles 5 років тому

    When Dr. Lott discussed publication rated going down after tenure, I wonder how the quantity and quality rates are affected. I could completely understand if the volume goes down, but longer studies or more in-depth studies are published.

  • @williamjohnson5440
    @williamjohnson5440 3 роки тому

    Did the second encounter with John Lott ever happen? Not seeing it in searches.