Fire Steel / Fire Starter by Coleman (Magnesium and Ferrocerium) - Ferro Rod
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- If you have been out in the woods and are cold, you know how vital getting a fire can be. Here's a look at a Coleman fire starter. It's got its pluses and minuses, but at the end of the day, it works and is a good tool.
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If the wind is blowing, try shaving the magnesium onto a piece of duct tape, if you have some. Not only will it hold the magnesium, but the adhesive also burns and will make the starter fire last longer :-)
Genius
Jeff Hickerson you could also dig a small hole and shave it onto a paper plate in the bottom of the hole. It will help keep the shavings and any small paper or tinder from flying away if it's windy.
Good tip. In the future my old cold @ss will thank you.
Nice idea!
the magnesium shavings also help with damp conditions and or damp tinder that's the benefit between the block vs a single ferro rod
I found one at Harbor Freight for $2.49 and it seemed to do just fine. Thank you for showing me how to use it.
Darlene Castro Glad to help.
Darlene Castro $1.99 this week may get a few more
+Darlene Castro
The DOAN Fire Starter (Magnesium and Ferrocerium) is much better. It's the brand used by the USA military.
+Darlene Castro Thanks im going there
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just a quick tip I saw on another video that made using one of these much easier. with one hand, hold a knife on the ground with the blade facing up. with the other hand, scrape the block against the knife with a smooth pulling motion, always in the same direction so to collect the shavings in the same spot. then, without moving the knife, turn the block over to the striker and pull again. it should direct the sparks right on to the pile you just made. I tried it and it worked great, and applying weight directly down and pulling the block was much easier and quicker than scraping a knife against it! hope this works for you guys :)
Thanks for the video. I always try to keep a couple of lighters with me, but this past summer on one of my camping trips packed in a hurry and forgot them, and luckily I keep one of these in my car. Worked just fine. It does what it's intended to do, just wouldn't use it as my first line of making fire. When no lighter or matches it's at least reliable, and starts good in a damp environment.
Agreed - lighter is much easier, but this can be nice for a back-up or if your lighter gets wet.
The first time I used one of these my first thought was, man this thing is fiddly. So rather than have to do it on the day, I scraped up a bunch and stored the filings in 8 really small zip locks. In the kit they went.
I've got one of these. The striker is actually a short section of a hacksaw blade. If you strike it as if you were trying to cut through the ferrocerium rod - with the hacksaw blade striking ACROSS the rod, then this will produce a huge shower of sparks.
As I watch your video I see you have to repeatedly strike it again and again to get a significant spark - If you experiment with the technique I've described above, you will get a streaming shower of sparks to ignite the magnesium in one go...
Cheers
Simon
see, I was always taught to move the bar along the striker because the spark comes from the contact. plus when you're moving towards your tinder or magnesium you risk swirling it around or knock it away. Basically you put the tip of your rod almost INTO your tinder, touch your striker to the road and pull the rod so a spark is created close to your tinder. Just me. Has always worked well for me and thought I could pass on an alternative way.
You should use the smooth side of the striker on the ferro bar. Even though that ferro bar is tiny it should last quite a while. You will get much more spark with the smooth side as well.
I had one of those tiny Coleman or Coughlan's fire starter sets, and struggled with it for a couple years. Then about a week ago, I picked up a "Swedish Fire Steel" kit at the local camping/outdoors/mil surplus store. The fire steel is LOTS better. It throws sparks almost effortlessly. I agree with the folks who say you seldom need the magnesium. If you've got really good dry tinder you're all set.
You mentioned using cedar bark as a tender. At my retreat I have many junipers (the eastern red cedar is actually a juniper). A few years ago after a cold front dropped 3" of rain, I pulled some juniper from the lower side of a heavy limb. It was completely dry and I was able to quickly start a fire with my ferrocerium rod and the bark.
Nice!
Its good for a backup if you lose your main fire source I got one in my kit for just in case and always practice with it like any other piece of gear
I keep this magnesium as a last back up
Cause a real good amount of magnesium is needed to have a fire started
Patience and practice are needed
Thanks for the upload
great video! just got one of these and wasn't sure exactly how to use it.
yeah - I think that was commented below too. Great idea.
yes they will work after getting dunked just make sure that you get it dryed off
Not trying to be rude but it appears to be a cheap hard chinese knock off like one from walmart. I carry a Doan's Magnesium block, military issue. It is a softer metal and makes a huge pile with little effort and lights easily. Would work as he said, but if you are in a survival situation what would you want? Easy and fast or hard and difficult? Like he said practice with your gear, don't wait until you are in a make or break situation! Another great and honest instructional video mate. Long Live the Republic!
david storm I have just purchased x3 summit starter from eBay and found those to be just that..copy...hard as hell to scrape off and difficult to take the spark.when it does go up the black shit that comes raining down in the smoke plum is madness.
..cheap magnesium firestarters are a no go...by brand name avoid the copy...my lesson just learnt
Picked one up at Target around 3 years. Got it for 6$, was buying some undershirts and figured I needed another fire steel. Eh, for 6$ it was alright, but with access to Amazon you could pick up a lot of better fire starters for a similar price. I don't recommend it, but it does work. One thing to note, because the ferro rod is so small, and it fits into the indent of the magnesium block, or only going to be able to use half the ferro rod before it becomes flush with the magnesium block.
cool. thanks for the video. I totally agree with you on one big thing - learn how to use the tool in a controlled environment, and in a non emergency. I took mine out to the garage and played with it for a good bit torching stuff. Now, I can just put it in the truck and forget about it in the glove box. it takes up no room, and always leaves me prepared here in the Colorado mountains
These $2 mag blocks (from harbor freight) are the best I've used. They're a softer blend (less ferro/iron, more magnesium), so they throw sparks that'll burn a little longer. That's great if you're lighting marginally damp tinder. I know a lot of guys replace the hacksaw blade with some other type of striker, but I replace mine with full size hacksaw blades. Pro tip: don't be the guy who can cut wood 10 different ways but can't cut metal when you need to. Harvesting a gate post and plumbing hot air into your shelter might be a life saver one day.
Thanks for the video! I have this Flint.. Well I should say had cuz I shredded mine haha but followed this video and got it on my first try! Thanks again!
Amber Sutton glad it helped - this is one of my older videos
Nice man - I'll look into that one. Always good to hear about other options out there - sounds like that one is really nice, both from your comments and others I've read.
I found that when scraping the mag. block do it in a slicing motion it will be easier to get the scrapings and you get a lot more in less time.
Worked Like a charm on first try. I have the cheap Chinese one.
I look on ebay and you can find bags of magnesium for under $10 and a Stick of Ferrocerium with the striker for like $2. As a fire starting kit sound better as all that shaving takes time.
I bought one those bags of shavings. If you want to throw away $10.00, go for It, or you can send it to me, and I will find a good use for the money. but I wouldn't buy the shavings again !!! buy a military bar [ it's worth it.]
Greg bush A [ DOANS ] BAR
I found through a little bit of experimentation that the napkins made of recycled paper that you get from a lot of the fast food joints (mine came from Taco Bell) are great tinder and will catch a spark and blaze. I was comparing a lot of the common fire starters and said "Hmmm" when my gaze fell on the napkins.
Interesting, I was practicing with Taco Bell napkins as tinder, they do go up in flames!
Thanks for that hint.
Thank you for making this video! Good review!
Glad to do it - thanks for watching.
I changed my magnesium bar for one that looks like a ferro rod, it has the small fire lighting strip like the bar but the magnesium seems slightly softer and easier to use which can make a difference when you're tired/cold/soaked. It's lighter too and weight all adds up when you're putting in a few miles.
Got myself one a few years back, and never needed to use it, but I've decided that I should at least know how to use it properly for the odd time when I will have to use it and don't have another choice, so this video helped me understand it a bit more now, thank you! Your channel has great content so far, so defs earned a sub from me ✌️
Welcome to the ETV community. Thanks for checking out this video from a while back.
@@EverydayTacticalVids thank you. And you're welcome. Keep up the great content you put out. Not every channel on UA-cam has provided me with as much "practical personal experience" compared to "suggestive theoretical opinions" as you have on your channel
Thanks for that. I have one of these and encountered the same issues you have highlighted in this video. It looks as if the integrated ferrocerium will be the limiting factor in the lifetime of this lighter, but I guess you could just throw in a standalone one once you're down to the magnesium block.
Thank you so much! Excellent video. Just got mine tonight and this was a life saver.
Jordan White Thanks for sharing. That’s great to hear.
I pre make several "Fire Starter" packets, keep them in the pocket of my field coat. Just put your dollop of magnesium shavings and some "tinder" together in a folded packet of aluminum foil. Then, just gathering some dry twigs, spark and go!
It really impresses both Children and the Ladies!
I been standing in the back yard for 3 different fire 🔥 starts can’t get it to go yea big help fist time I got the point on putting a mag pile down first.
You can make a tinder nest and put the pile of shavings inside atop bark or a leaf and this will help you to not lose the shavings and make for a quicker lite
Safe to say you'll go through the ferro rod part before you're even close to using all the magnesium?
+John Carey In general yes. I've never seen a person use an entire magnesium block.
+John Carey You can cut the bar down to save weight, but keep it's full length. But WARNING how you cut it could cause a fire, so take it easy. A big chopper of some sort is better than a saw.
Exterminence not all Chinese stuff is junk, Bayite are made in China and are as good as any Swedish firesteel, yeah true a lot of Chinese stuff is junk, but every country produces it's share of junk
You can get a similar kit from Harbor Freight for $1.99 on sale.
I use the back of my survival knife or the file in my Leatherman, nothing sparks like the file fwiw. Cheers
speedweigand i find the back of the saw on my leatherman wave does a better job than the file
i have noticed that the coleman and harbor freight are about equal, but if you get a thicker piece of metal like the back of a knife blade or what have you . the flakes are a little bigger and it will throw bigger and more sparks also i get a coglans fero rod with the black plastic grip and chain the two together and i also go to home depot or lowes and get a carbide tool sharpener it has a green or red plastic grip, those throw sparks like no bodys business on the fero rod and i keep all 3 chained together. i have about 5 or 6 of these sets i put together but the best mag bar is the doanes that the military uses, its softer and scrapes easier but i just get the harbor freight ones. p.s. get some good epoxy and mix some up and put some on the mag bar around the ferro rod on it and also if you get the coglans fero rod hold the handle and twist the rod, they usually will pull apart easy then scratch the end of the rod up a little then epoxy the rod back into the handle. just trying to throw out some helpful hints out there guys
Cool idea man.
It is beautiful
Good idea.
I was practicing with mine lastnight and I guess I wasn't scraping enough magnesium off because I'd get the spark to hit it and it'd burn but as soon as I tried to put something on it to catch up, like dry grass, it would hit it, burn a little and burn right out. I'll try some more later.
I keep one of these on the keys to my Polaris Ranger. I haven’t needed it yet, but it is the most likely vehicle I could find myself stuck and needing a fire.
The magnesium is hard to get off. I used an old knife to do it. Also, my striker doesn't work so I threw the sparks with the knife too. Just came from a video where the man couldn't light it with a lighter so I had to make sure it wasn't going to fail when I needed it. Started in two tries with a damp, crumpled leaf and some bark just 10 minutes ago.
I've that same Colman set. I use a drill to cut into the magnesium bar, and get plenty of mag. shavings that I store in a film container. Also, when "throwing sparks" I hold the striker stationary and pull up on the feroceum rod. In my case it's less work and more accurate. just saying. good video.
I agree a totally usable firestarter I have a video much like this one on my channel for this particular magnesium block these work in wet conditions but magnesium is reactive to water so it burns quicker when wet I don't know about salt water though, also use a knife it gives you better shavings and makes your block last longer
people keep complaining that it takes to long to scrape it, but they don't seem to understand that the magnesium part is meant for less then desirable conditions, such as damp tinder. also a good quality mag bar is much softer, and is faster and easier to scrape.
Good stuff - thanks man.
Saw a tip for these. Scrape the magnesium onto a piece of duct tape. The tape holds the magnesium and doubles as a flame extender.
Tip when your striking pull the magnesium backwards to stop you knocking all the shaving all over with your hands
Nice video but I wouldn't have paired this with a hack saw. This is better off with the back end of a knife, you'll get more shavings and sparks. I've used these since I was a kid...I love em.
I just got it and maybe it will be 2 in 1 ( tinder + spark ) on days I could just use shavings with match may be to give better tinder situation in difficult conditions where tinder is not readily found ( boost poor tinder ) or I can use spark side to ignite good natural tinder like pine fatwood or birch bark or even very dry grass or use them both as a backup firestarter ( gives me more options on a given day )
Don’t use the teeth to strike the ferro rod. A straight, 90° angle is needed to do this. If you use the teeth, you limit your surface area contact by about 80%. You’ll get bigger sparks (and a quicker start) if you use the flat side.
Wal-mart sells carbide saw blades for around 6 dollars. Just cut out one tooth with a pattern that fits your hand and wah-la it will scrape the magnesium and strike the ferro rod.
I think that many of the problems people have with these starters has moree to do with the strikers than the actual bar. I have a Coghlans bar (also made in China) which, as some other users have found, would neither yield shavings or ignite them. I swapped the striker (which looked much like yours) for a piece of old high tensile hacksaw blade and (using the back and not the teeth) got excellent results. I'm sure that the back of a high carbon knife blade would also do a good job. I think that the strikers used on these Chinese made strikers are made of metal that is too soft for either scaping magnesium or striking sparks of the ferro rod. The teeth should not be used, as they achieve no useful purpose.
i could be wrong but i thought the packaging instructed me the consumer to use the straight flat edge of the tool on the ferro rod part. Now this may not be as effective but may be more conservative.
thanks for the video...your videos are improving .. continue
Magnesium is dumb hard. Try using this in a rainy and windy forest. Couldn’t do it. I bring a bottle of zippo lighter fluid and a zippo. The weight is more than wanted but the result never fails. I’m gonna keep trying with this regardless. I wanna make it work
I did this backward
I started a fire with mine and then watched this video to further educate myself
Your suppose to use the saw side and saw bits of the magnesium and the flat side for the ferro rod...but what ever floats your boat.
Lol
Harbor Freight had these clones for $2.99 several months back. Stamping that name on an item only inflates the price. These may be factory seconds or 'blems' but they do the same job.
Good job
You should use the spine of a knife to scrape the magnesium, it comes of easier and the shavings will be bigger. The ferro rod will also last longer if you use the spine of a knife.
that's what I can't stress enough is getting out there and trying whatever tool you're going to use to help you survive you can't just pack it in a bag and think well I've got it in my bag I'll be fine. If your not familiar with how to use it you're not going to be able to use it in a real situation.
This one would fall on the lower-quality end of these kinds of items I'd say.
Only thing that ive found to be different than how i learned was to not use the rigged side of the striker on the flint, that should be for the magnesium only imo. Using the other smooth side on the flint produces a much better spark with a lot less work
I would say that this starter is supposed to be good in damp conditions, I haven't seen many videos hit on this point but the Mag burns at some 5.5k degrees, so it can work as a last ditch effort to get a fire going in damp conditions. And we all know this is alleys a survival nightmare, when a rain or fog or even heavy dew hit and you need to get a fire to warm up. I am leaning on a fire piston as a more main stay fire starting tool, for when a simple lighter or Flint won't do the trick or I ran out of fuel. But I definitely would like to see the Mag bar pushed to its limits. It could work where a fire bow wouldn't if it really does burn that hot. I keep a stash of super dry tinder at all times in the feild but it a survival situation, shut can and will happen. I think it would be good to know the limits of this Mag bar
go to all weather fire starters these are the best on the market
Hold the blade still, close to the piece of paper, pull the magnesium against it towards you. This way the spark will not jump around.
I lost the teeth tool, would a knife be a suitable replacement?
Yeah - i've heard good things about them. You've used one I assume?
Bought one from harbor freight on a whim but it really bothered me that I didn't know how to use it, or even how to get the magnesium off. Set the bathroom counter on fire, but I have acquired knowledge 😌
Damn, what a madlad, that's one way to get fire and knowledge at the same time
Very nice.
You would probably be better off ditching the hacksaw blade. I found that a good straight blade of high speed steel does much better. I have several lathe cut off blades from Harbor Freight that work great for this (they aren't much good for the lathe any way)
the teath of the blade is for the magnesium only the back of the sawblade is for the ferrorod you killed it ti fast
Richard White exactly it got eaten from the saw
Richard White: The teeth on the saw blade have no use for the magnesium or ferrocerium rod use the flat edge canted on both it works fine.
No it works both ways
@Jonas Tripps
Neither could I, I could only use the serrated side to make sparks, nor the edge of a knife
Neither could I, I could only use the serrated side to make sparks, nor the edge of a knife
Will the magnesium shavings lose their ability to light if you PRE SHAVE a whole tube full and keep it like that?
Nice deal - where'd you get them?
Everyone can argue about what rod is better, what set is better, whatever...
The thing to note is the technique used to strike the spark.
You should hold your striker, blade, piece of metal still and pull the Ferro Rod away from the tender bundle or Magnesium Pile. That way you will never knock your fire bundle onto the ground into that little pool of water. Work smart not hard.
China magnesium just plain straight up sucks! Hands down, mil-spec is the only way to go. I watched a video a guy did comparing the chinese junk to mil-spec and there was NO competition!! Good review, fair and honest...
I've seen the comparison videos too but with no difference.
J.d. Willson Seriously, no difference here either. I have no idea what that guy is talking about. "Mil spec" magnesium ROFLMAO
I don't know what vids you watched but the difference was remarkable. Mil spec J.d. Willson...that means Military specifications....and the mil spec for from my observation is the only thing I trust...that chinese crap is no better then everything else they own us with...
I own several cheap, $2 or less mag fire starters and every one of them works as well as my doans. They are also easier to shave. You have to know what you are doing. A guy sent me one that wouldn't spark or burn. I had flaming Mg in minutes.
I never had any trouble with doans stuff J.D., maybe I just got a couple of bad sticks.
Just so everyone know. This is a lot easier than he showed. Just practice with one. Mine lights up with one swipe with the spine of my knife.
$8-15.00? Lol, or just go to Harbor Freight and buy one for $1.99 like I did today.
Put a few small particles on a paper towel. That will get your fire going!
a file would be more convenient to shave the magnesium
How does it compare to the Grizzly fire starter ?
I actually like to use my folding knife to strike the magnesium because I saw right away that the teeth was scraping away the rod
Tip. Shave some of the Ferro off without sparking it onto the magnesium then spark it.
Put your flakes on fibers makes it way easier than trying to start from a pile on slate. 😆
Nice 👍🏻
I haven't tried it - anyone else know?
u can buy the same one without the Coleman logo for about 3 bucks or less at Harbor freight
It lights. Need a lot. It burns fast.
The DOAN Fire Starter (Magnesium and Ferrocerium) is much better.
it's better to put the magnesium savings in your tender bundle, then light it
TIP: Hold the blade, striker or what ever still, and pull the rod away from the fire zone. Sends the sparks where you want but then you don't knock your tinder over.
8$-15$ bucks? I got on for 2.95$
You have to strike it horizontal like a saw.
Is the whole rectangle magnesium or did they cheap out and put a sliver insert between? How's it compared to the rod??? I feel I'd prefer a hunk of rod
AGREE... Doans
This would certainly have a place in my survival kit for the most extreme, dire situation but what's wrong with (I know survivalists and small-carbon-footprint types will burn me in effigy for this, magnesium and all...lol!) just packing away a couple of cheapo bic lighters and some small cloth balls soaked in oil into some small ziploc bags? Just add tinder and you're smokin'...
mine costed 3.00 in alabama
My Coleman firesteel doesn't say "China" on it. I wonder if it's a knockoff and if it is then where was it made?