This lady is woke...our history and culture is very important and we can't let it fade away because of Christianity that was brought to us to demean us....I love the way people are waking up and embracing back their culture
The weak minded men on the panel are trying to belittle her and her beliefs in a clever way though!! IGNORANCE IS LIKE A VERSACE SUIT THESE DAYS!!! SMDH
Christ never came to diminish anybody..instead He came so that we may ALL that Believe in Him may be saved, have life and Live forever.. God laws are good for all humans,it doesn't discriminate any instead it points out that which is evil so we may do that which is best for us & our neighbour's
John 10:11Jesus said, “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep" John 15:33 "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends."
Pastor T is a master at explaining and propagating the lie hidden in deliberately distorted history, which to a mediocre mind seems smart, while Swiry Nyar is pursuing the truth by righting history. Distinct difference!
@@antonateaiko How does one seek the truth within them? One has to study because it is through studying hat we begin to question things , we begin to se the lies and seek the truth.
John 15:33 "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." JESUS CHRIST died for you & shed His blood for your sins at the cross, that you may have Eternal Life..If ONLY you believe in him...I John1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"
But church is the family of God. If you are not part of a church and/or you do not meet up with other believers regularly, your faith will fade very quickly. You won't get very far. Church is not a building. It is fellowshipping with other believers. Through it, you grow in your faith, you get to praise & worship God together & also get encouragement in your walk with God.
@@explorekenya4685 Beautifully said but God must reside in you. The Bible says that in the last days we will seek to find him but he won’t be there. He must reside in us so that when the time comes we won’t need to be among other worshipers to find spiritual fulfillment.
one thing I appreciate about the Pastor, he is not arguing, just there to share the message, is up to one to agree or disagree but he never allowed himself to be dragged into shouting and howling... his emotional intelligence is impeccable...
I could listen to this lady all day. The people who are really awaken relates to her. This lady has truth. I stand with her. I don't like how the show is bias even the host. They don't treat her right they are actually asleep n don't know nothing
They make her seem like she is a Joke. And make the man look like is smart. Which in reality he has more charisma buy she is way smarter and knowledgeable
Thank you Pastor T 👍🏽 People may not agree or like when you share the true Gospel but that doesn’t mean they didn’t hear, The seed has been sown. They heard you. You did your part. Trust God to do His. Thank you for standing for this generation.
Janet Nduta •Christianity was not Afrikan religion stop lying to yourself..great great grandparents were praying to Nature bcoz they know we're part of Nature to..everything is within us stop looking for white Jesus..the most high is within. Do research and we've many Books outside their
@@patrickkiboi2930 That’s your own opinion.I made my personal decision to became a Christian and follow Christ a long time ago, no excuses and no compromise. There is no Plan B. So I will just let you and the world do what you feel is ok, and come what may my decision remains the same. I will never conform you nor to the world. No excuses. No compromise. Your refusal to praise Or worship Him is not going to decrease Him
@@nancymuseve3249 you are right but what Jesus, the disciples and Paul taught is not what you call Christianity. Christianity was created by the same Pagans who crucified Jesus and created the Papacy. What you're talking about is being a believer of Jesus. He is the only truth!
She is a beautiful expression of leveling up to Self Conscious-Awareness and confidence. 💕 Lov ya sis. Respect 🙏. Remove the fear taught by religion when we realize I and my father are one. We are the Chosen and Elect of God. It is not a crime to do as The Father does.
Although the conversation was jump-cut edited it was great. Again delivery is key and even though Vivian is knowledgable, she is rush and defensive in her delivery, making it harder for one to effectively listen to her. She needs a speech therapist. Mr T served the conversation right. Thats what you get when you have tons of experience in holding conversations.
She has her facts if she actually knew how to converse, this was a cake walk. Pastor T confirmed alot of what he said was just speculation last time. Daktari keep doing you
@@kibezangalewa Bro, chill... This was not a hate message. It was positive criticism. She does sound rushed and panicky. That's a fact, not gaslighting. She's probably just extremely emotional about the subject and it hinders her ability to communicate effectively. He's just saying she could have presented herself better, how is that gaslighting lol
@@kibezangalewa Presentation is so vital that if done wrongly it liquidates the message. That's the reason why same people/entities with equal message get different number of followers.
You notice how quiet the host & audience gets when the man speaks but when the intelligent women speaks they snicker & laugh it’s very interesting, especially because she’s speaking with passion & truth
It's true Christian (Religion)it all started in Africa now for me what I can say is that... Spiritual Awakening is all been within theeself, reconnecting oneself with nature..And all that,like one having a devine life you know... They both making sense but in religion you're kind of programmed to what you should believe on and you shouldn't question anything about life,where life is all about questioning and observing which is not observed... When One discovers what's within, nothing to come can make them great as they're already are... Cos they tell you,"Your body is the temple of God"when they know the real meaning about it.. But when you experience the spiritual Awakening, there's some point it's also forbidden even in the bible...Yeah cos you may even die,loose life... Sending love and light to you all
We are a generation that have received the information about the gospel but not felt the power of the gospel. May God send his people in signs and wonders.
@@SamuelNjoki The creator of Heaven and earth,the God that created time but is not contained in it, the one Who's Kingdom is an everlasting one. The invincible God
@@conradmbugua9098 The bible doesn't describe the colour of God..so the pictures that potray white Jesus are unbiblical because its just a man made image .. Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. God is spirit and you cannot specify His colour..We should burn all those images of God..and worship Him in truth and in Spirit. God is for all races Everyone.. Why don't we focus on this message of His eternal love that He died for us..All of us ... Romans 5:8 But God demonstrated His own love towards us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us "
Try to get the letter written by King Leopold 2 of Belgium to the missionaries in the Congo,he gave them instructions to hide and conceal the fact that Africans were religious people and the Bible was made to appear foreign when in the real sense it was an African book. Unless we get the basics right,it will be hard to identify which group of Africans were the chosen people because not ALL were,skin color is not kin.
@@justinamusyoka4986 But the King James version is edited. It's called King James version for a reason. Loads of books are missing from Bible, they omitted those books to push their agenda.
@@bajanstarseed Truth....i used the term "Bible" because its what is understandable but "Biblio" was not an African term,and yes ,they 'authorized " KJB for a reason,meaning there are many unauthorized out there and still relevant.
The kinda Godly wisdom pastor T has is just amazing. We're blessed to have such a gift from God. In the end , the main purpose of the Bible/Gospel is to guide all people unto Salvation, whether black or white , God offers salvation to us all regardless of our races.
@@tuforu4 Just as when you break the law of the land you face the Law, so also when you break the Law of God you face His Law. With man, you can go to jail or pay a fine. With God, the jail is hell and the fine is too big for anyone to pay for themselves. Jesus paid that fine through His death on the cross and now He offers that gift of salvation freely to all who believe in Him as their Savior. But if you refuse, you remain guilty and on Judgement day you will face the Law of God.
Pastor T is speaking the Truth. Truth is never subject to perception it remains Truth no matter how hard it's fought/denied. As Pst T has said, our forefathers downed their ways and gods at the altar where they encountered Yahweh. The One True God. An encounter is what people need
Each guest here was exploding with truth and knowledge. It all depends on your position on religion and spirituality. But Apostle T. is one unique pastor. He is such a brilliant fellow who dived into intense research to defend what he believes in.
Good job on research Mr T. Not many who call themselves teachers of scripture are willing to take on Bible sceptic questions and debates because they are not willing to inform themselves outside of scriptures on history, cultures or philosophy. Good job God bless you.
I enjoy a good heated but intelligent conversation such as this one. That parting shot by Pastor T sums it all up. Let the one true God defend himself and reveal Himself by fire. When it comes to this level it becomes very much a spiritual affair and that's where we stop and say, "let the real God defend Himself". History shows that He always does.
God bless you pastor T...I really do pray that our God make Himself know so that people may know who the true God is..But not our will but His will be done 🙏🏽😰😤
I love the conversation. Its indeed sparking curiosity! Pastor T is eloquent and well versed with his doctorine. Many people will resonate with him. But hes so limited and not willing to go beyond the confines of religion and academia. For nyar kano, thankyou for being bold enough daughter of soil. The society quickly labels people like you as crazy. Am glad that the audience hasn't!! The information you habour is so deep and challanges everyones believe system. The reason why pastor T seems to be flowing with it easily. You cant challenge a mans' believe system overnight. Thats why brainwashing takes effect overgenerations . However, the truth is much deeper than you guys are even willing know leave alone to accept. Hidden, far beneath thick layers of lies, secrets and twists. But kudos guys. Keep up with the good debate.... We are loving it.
@Antony Mn Nyarry is espousing Black Consciousness. It's good to see Black Consciousness finally making it's way into the discourse in Kenya. That said, there is bound to be resistance because Kenyans are very white obsessed and white identified due to colonisation and years of living under one dictatorship or the other. It's going to take decades to reverse the mental slavery that is so prevalent in Kenya.
The thing about having a free floating form of spirituality... One that picks everything it finds on the road and uses it as spiritual enlightenment, is it's often... if not always demonic. That's why Pastor T is stuck on the bible as the standard. In life you need a constant irrefutable, unshakeable rock that you can compare everything to. Otherwise you're on shaky ground
@@lekis5975 Have you noticed tho, how black consciousness is turning into something evil. Low key racist, witchcrafty and odd spirituality paired with unverified loads of information about our heritage. It's good we start loving ourselves but tusisahau shaito ni mjanja na anadai kutumia kila kitu kudivide and rule as Swiry said. It's become a tool of division too. "Black owned"... mzungu ajaribu kusema "white owned" ataitwa racist but juu sisi ndio tulikuwa oppressed no one has the guts to call us out on our own BS. Acha tucompete based on competence despite our unique challenges as a people, we have unique strengths as well. I'm just tryna say black consciousness has a really bad side as well
This is beautiful, we have an opportunity to share information and challenge one another. I love the African proverb UBUNTU, "I am, because you are." Thank you and keep in keeping on.
@@redickomondi7973 bro you were you asleep ,, you can’t have a productive conversation without acknowledging the other party’s views ,, in this case they didn’t agree on everything and at some point also the lady agreed with Pastor T
@@CaptainConstand It's a two way thing,, i thought you were going to come up with something new but seems we're talking about the same thing but on different sides.
Great job Pastor Tee. I enjoyed listening to you. Thanks for pointing us to the True Light. Overall, I admire the respect you both had for each other. This is how a debate must be. Sending God's love to you both!
The bottom line is that God is still on the throne. And as pastor T says, may he answer by fire. People should seek the face of God and not rely much on subjective publications. It's dangerous to form an opinion from doctor so and so. May God answer all our questions about humanity, creation, afterlife by 🔥
Don't you think you echoing blindly....I guess Vivian is so real....the next thing because of facing thr west is abandoned african ethics calling then diabolic....let that fire be but shock on you long gone are those fire avenges.....today mercy dominates.we can't hide on before mercy and operate it the same way....Jesus came so that faith operated now not physical fire....hiyo hautaona
Swirry Nyar Kano, Thank You for Shining A Light. Pastor T You Are Our Brother, Same Community: I Also Believe In Our Life Time YHWH Is Still YHWH. Great Conversation With Your Two Guests Dr. Kingori. We Are Heading To Mt. Camel.
Dr Kingori told the both of them to come with reference books last time. The lady has quoted I think two or more. Mr. T is all about big names and theological terms which he was taught in bible school. Surely, shall we rely on that one source of information which you accept yourself that it was twisted to favour the interest of the colonialist and white supremist? My message to the Lady is please if you have the energy, continue edifying them, but if you feel worn out, it's not a must. Mental slavery is deep rooted, I mean, think about more than 500 years. It's not their fault. That's why I feel your pain in your speech and people here are quick to say that you are shouting. They don't understand. Probably if they were the ones beaten to death or sold as slaves, then looking forward to this generation of brainwashed Africans, then they would understand why your speech has so much rage, for lack of a better word. Otherwise, good job. You're doing your ancestors proud.
This should be kind of conversions we need on tv wacha zile politics za day and night to benefit few selfish individuals. Kwa sasa I'd recommend a book called "conversations with God" first edition.
Let's now agree that the spread of Bible teachings was manipulated to favour slave trade, sasa turudi hapo we link it back to be one solid spiritual thing to end that whites and blacks thing. Ama namna gani?
Pastor T must be a scorpio by zodiac zodiac. ..he's so abundant in his arranged words that capture the ear , both are speaking the same thing only in different languages and baseline
@Samuel Ngugi is not just bad, it's SELF SABOTAGE, it means you have turned your mind over to the other people. Quiet as it's kept, back in the 1930 some Boers immigrated from South Africa to Eldoret. The British welcomed them with open arms, after all they were looking to turn Kenya into a white man's land. Anyway, after a few years, the Boers started to build their own school. Which pissed the British off. When the British asked why the Boers were building their own schools instead of using Brit schools, the Boers said it was important they build their own school so that they could teach their children Afrikaans. When Brits got pissed and said Eldoret was British territory and to teach Afrikaans was a sign of disloyalty. The Boers said, they needed to teache their children Afrikaans because in the next 5-10 years the elders would be dead, and that would make it difficult to teach their children the lingo. I don't know how the dispute ended, however that spat really highlights the power of culture, especially LANGUAGE. Wahenga walisema, mkosa mila ni mtumwa. And truly, Kenyans are nothing but slaves to all things white. We can't even share our secrets and strategies, without the white man catching wind of our plans!
Excellent discussion! Pastor T is articulate and he complements Sister Kano’s contribution. She sounds like me when I try to talk about our situation/culture/beliefs, etc. I’m glad she mentioned Chancellor Williams and his book The Destruction of Black Civilization. We must give ourselves permission to be true to ourselves and that includes reconciling with what was stolen- our culture, belief systems, knowledge, beauty standards, etc.
My my my. Father give me answers. Did you stop inspiring? Lord inspire my ways, my decisions, the words I speak. One more thing, you are God of all, Father please may my life radiate your glory. And whenever I encounter such as this girl. Give me wisdom and the right words to answer. Not to defend you because you don't need it. But to shine your light in this world.
Am glad that Mista T is open concerning this issue of history and always willing to engage with Facts ..Great guidance... Nyarkano-i like her inquisitive nature its a high time this kinds of questions and topics are discussed in this candid manner...as long as it brings Gods Edification
That final remark by pastor finishes everything..The Discussion can only end at Mt.Carmel..Let the really God answer by Fire..Hapo umevunja shetani backbone..
Something very unsettling about Vivian her aggressiveness fighting posture points to a possive spirit. Pst T has put it right at the mount of carmel Real fire of revival shall answer this generation. Refiners fire this one I desire 🔥
@Joakim Muriuki Judaism came from Africa, you only have to look at the similarities between Judaism, Christianity (Old Testament) and Traditional African culture (rites, rituals, philosophies, values and religious practices), in order to understand that Judaism came from Africa. Christianity and Islam are off shoots of Judaism. In a nutshell, Judaism, Christianity and Islam came from Africa, we are unable to see that because white people decided to white wash the bible. In 2nd form, we were taught some of these things, but the teachers were careful not to emphasise the political aspect of it, because we were living in a dictatorship. Education was supposed to ensure we passed exams, not to transform us into radical critical thinkers. Any teachers or lecturers who tried to enlighten students would be fired or locked up or end up in exile. The KJV Bible was written in 1611 by King James II. By then the British had been involved in the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade (TAST) for *50 years*; Henry VIII endorsed slave trade, his daughter Elizabeth I created a trading company which sold slaves . The British royal family were the biggest slave traders; Charles I, II, and James (IV of Scotland, II of England) right through to their descendants George I, II, III, IV to King William IV all benefitted from slavery- from the 16th century, the royal family formed various trading companies at different points , at one point they had a monopoly on trade in West Africa, including slave trade for 200 years! Records show, their company was responsible for importing/transporting the largest number of stolen Africans to be enslaved! Prior to 1600, slavery was not based on SKIN COLOUR, everyone and anyone would be enslaved, however in the 16th century, the focus shifted to the enslavement of Black people, and this coincided with white washing of the Bible. It was necessary to white wash the bible in order to entrench the doctrine of White Supremacy so as to justify that White people were superior, and Black people were inferior, this way, they could argue that Black people were different, less than and therefore fit to be used as beasts of burden. I don't have a major problem with the bible, as a guiding tool for spirituality, or as a source of philosophy. My only concern is that we do not see ourselves in it, sufficient to see ourselves as the originators, and at best as equal partners to whites) (and I'm being generous here to white people when I call them equal partners to us, because they are GENETIC MUTATIONS!) All those virtues espoused in the Bible are African virtues, the philosophies etc. We don't see it because the missionary's brother aka Mr Coloniser convinced us we were nothing before they came, and that they came with the light to bring us out if the darkness. Nonsense
But the truth remains that as Africans a lot of knowledge is hidden from us and we can't wish away that information I believe in the bible when we look into our history there is evidence to show that, and remember many of books are in western libraries even today about us many people dont even know that we were the originators of writing,medicine,we performed the first caesarian section so we can't wish that away
@wycliffe levigan Well said. Indeed a lot of information is concealed about African achievements. It was deliberately concealed in order to promote WHITE SUPREMACY (racism). That said, many Black intellectuals, writers and revolutionaries have tried to sensitise the masses, but to no avail. Kenyans have been held back by colonisation and years of living under dictators, who stifled all manner of discourse in the country. I look forward to BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS becoming part of the discourse in Kenya.
Our history being hidden doesn't dismiss the fact that God exists and Jesus came,died and resurrected and will return. You know this is the fact that many are running away from, by hiding in African spirituality conspiracies
@@sophiekimathi LOL! You think you're saying something important. Jesus was a Jew, yes or no? Yes. Now, do yourself a favour and go and ask the JEWS, if Jesus is the Messiah, go and ask them if the Messiah has come. And while you are at it, ask them why they don't believe in Jesus Christ, ask them to give you the REASONS why they don't believe that Christ was the Messiah.
@@sophiekimathi african cultures never mention jesus, jesus is just an allegory for the sun, he was never real and no one will come to save you, you are responsible for your own spiritual awakening through meditation and kundalini, this is what christian literalists miss
Hehehe did you get his argument. He never said you deny your culture. He gave credit to the white with what we have borrowed so far that has helped. He was not rubbing off African culture simple.
Would you please watch BBC docus on slavery and how Christianity started then analyse and youight discover more and then get in touch on this very platform...
We all have this colonial mentality that keeps us feeling inferior, we don't trust anything African but the whole world comes to Africa for all the best resources
This lady is woke...our history and culture is very important and we can't let it fade away because of Christianity that was brought to us to demean us....I love the way people are waking up and embracing back their culture
I like your comment
The weak minded men on the panel are trying to belittle her and her beliefs in a clever way though!! IGNORANCE IS LIKE A VERSACE SUIT THESE DAYS!!! SMDH
Well said. I totally agree 💯
Christ never came to diminish anybody..instead He came so that we may ALL that Believe in Him may be saved, have life and Live forever..
God laws are good for all humans,it doesn't discriminate any instead it points out that which is evil so we may do that which is best for us & our neighbour's
John 10:11Jesus said,
“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep"
John 15:33 "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends."
Pastor T is a master at explaining and propagating the lie hidden in deliberately distorted history, which to a mediocre mind seems smart, while Swiry Nyar is pursuing the truth by righting history. Distinct difference!
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This here we keep protecting a lie with facts we have studied just seek the truth within you and it will reveal itself
True not all heroes wear capes, some wear earrings.
@@antonateaiko How does one seek the truth within them? One has to study because it is through studying hat we begin to question things , we begin to se the lies and seek the truth.
Vantage point media I see you are one of the ones who actually know the truth, your comment is spot on
Honestly here because of this Queen🖤 her wisdom is unmatched.
The Only Reason
I thought I was the only one😅🖤
John 15:33 "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." JESUS CHRIST died for you & shed His blood for your sins at the cross, that you may have Eternal Life..If ONLY you believe in him...I John1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"
Watch the documentary hidden colors
Prophesying to be wise they became fools.
It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled...Nyar Kano is woke! tunaamka pole pole.
Yeah...& the truth ..It's right there
@Njuguna Githaiga Well said!
Africa is lagging behind due to religious shit
who said those great words
@@utdforever9236 Mark Twain
Tupac once said: I might've lost my way
to church but I'II never lose my faith in GOD.
God is just a title used by all religions referring to different deities,we must be specific.
Kwani Tupac is supposed to be a reference
But church is the family of God. If you are not part of a church and/or you do not meet up with other believers regularly, your faith will fade very quickly. You won't get very far. Church is not a building. It is fellowshipping with other believers. Through it, you grow in your faith, you get to praise & worship God together & also get encouragement in your walk with God.
@@explorekenya4685 you GENIUS
@@explorekenya4685 Beautifully said but God must reside in you. The Bible says that in the last days we will seek to find him but he won’t be there. He must reside in us so that when the time comes we won’t need to be among other worshipers to find spiritual fulfillment.
one thing I appreciate about the Pastor, he is not arguing, just there to share the message, is up to one to agree or disagree but he never allowed himself to be dragged into shouting and howling... his emotional intelligence is impeccable...
I like Nyak Kano's mindset!!! i have always been pro-African and will forever be! Africa is my business. Lugha ya mama haifai kufade!!
Si ndio mungu wa mwafrika ndo powerful
Asheeeyy
This lady talks truth about Africanism
Pastor T, you're a true definition of what the missionaries hoped to achieve
And they are very proud of you, wakakuona sahi wanaeza furahi Sana kuona matunda Yao 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂alaaa!
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🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Nkt Nkt Nkt
Exactly
The composure of Pastor T Mwangi is admirable.
The lady looks like she's in argument with someone.
The lady is loud and very upset over God knows what …… it’s like she is fighting
Ha ha AFRICA MAN OF GOD $$$$$$$
indeed that is how we Christians should stand firm. with facts!!!
@@bwalyasinkala4460 HE has no THEOLOGY UNIVERSITY OR DECREES.
I could listen to this lady all day. The people who are really awaken relates to her. This lady has truth. I stand with her. I don't like how the show is bias even the host. They don't treat her right they are actually asleep n don't know nothing
Deep sleep my dear 🤦🏾♀️
They make her seem like she is a Joke. And make the man look like is smart. Which in reality he has more charisma buy she is way smarter and knowledgeable
The brother pastor is knocked out 😴
Thats how the devil sounded to eve when tempting her to eat the forbidden fruit
Yeap. It's sad. I meanyour religion isn't an issue but it not the basis of all that's right or wrong for the world.
Thank you Pastor T 👍🏽
People may not agree or like when you share the true Gospel but that doesn’t mean they didn’t hear, The seed has been sown. They heard you. You did your part. Trust God to do His. Thank you for standing for this generation.
Christianity is a scam. Your just quating scriptures to make your self feel better.
Janet Nduta •Christianity was not Afrikan religion stop lying to yourself..great great grandparents were praying to Nature bcoz they know we're part of Nature to..everything is within us stop looking for white Jesus..the most high is within. Do research and we've many Books outside their
@@patrickkiboi2930 That’s your own opinion.I made my personal decision to became a Christian and follow Christ a long time ago, no excuses and no compromise.
There is no Plan B.
So I will just let you and the world do what you feel is ok, and come what may my decision remains the same. I will never conform you nor to the world.
No excuses. No compromise.
Your refusal to praise Or worship Him is not going to decrease Him
@@nancymuseve3249 you are right but what Jesus, the disciples and Paul taught is not what you call Christianity. Christianity was created by the same Pagans who crucified Jesus and created the Papacy. What you're talking about is being a believer of Jesus. He is the only truth!
@@nancymuseve3249 ati praying to nature,who told you that?🤣😂
She is a beautiful expression of leveling up to Self Conscious-Awareness and confidence. 💕 Lov ya sis. Respect 🙏. Remove the fear taught by religion when we realize I and my father are one. We are the Chosen and Elect of God. It is not a crime to do as The Father does.
Hey what’s her name tho ? Can please him
Prophesying to be wise they became fools.
@@Open_Dimensions Swiry Nyar Kano
Although the conversation was jump-cut edited it was great. Again delivery is key and even though Vivian is knowledgable, she is rush and defensive in her delivery, making it harder for one to effectively listen to her. She needs a speech therapist. Mr T served the conversation right. Thats what you get when you have tons of experience in holding conversations.
She has her facts if she actually knew how to converse, this was a cake walk. Pastor T confirmed alot of what he said was just speculation last time. Daktari keep doing you
I agree with you 300%. She needs presentation skills
The focus should be on her message not on the deliverer or delivery.... speech therapist??? This is gaslighting 101..
@@kibezangalewa Bro, chill... This was not a hate message. It was positive criticism. She does sound rushed and panicky. That's a fact, not gaslighting. She's probably just extremely emotional about the subject and it hinders her ability to communicate effectively. He's just saying she could have presented herself better, how is that gaslighting lol
@@kibezangalewa Presentation is so vital that if done wrongly it liquidates the message. That's the reason why same people/entities with equal message get different number of followers.
wow preach sis, this girl is a wealth of inspiration and knowledge..!! 🙌🏽
Deluded knowledge to be specific
True Gospel will remain to be true to those who believe in the word of God. God bless you Pastor T.
See as they have manipulated you finish
Keep deceiving yourselves
The Bible self is the tale of Africa
Yes!!!
You notice how quiet the host & audience gets when the man speaks but when the intelligent women speaks they snicker & laugh it’s very interesting, especially because she’s speaking with passion & truth
Zombies mk ultra at its best.
People pay attention where knowledge is being released, the lady was a comedian to them😂
What is Truth?
What is truth?
people are afraid of going to hell buanaa till they forget themselves
Swiry is not fighting....she is just sharing TRUTH
What is truth?
I love this lady everything she says makes so much sense to me.
Thanks Pastor T for defending the gospel.It is the power of God for those who believe!
Them ghost spells
Ms Vivian is so woke I show gratitude 🙏🏿 to you for speaking your truth with so much class and job well done know your story and not his story f
she is not the type of african who exists to please others, if she was aleader kenya would be independent.
Mr. T, you have my respect.I love you... WISEMAN. Hug from Angola
God bless you Nyar Kano. Speak your knowledge even if your voice trembling.
His-story is no longer our story! The veil is tearing into two
It's true Christian (Religion)it all started in Africa now for me what I can say is that...
Spiritual Awakening is all been within theeself, reconnecting oneself with nature..And all that,like one having a devine life you know...
They both making sense but in religion you're kind of programmed to what you should believe on and you shouldn't question anything about life,where life is all about questioning and observing which is not observed...
When One discovers what's within, nothing to come can make them great as they're already are...
Cos they tell you,"Your body is the temple of God"when they know the real meaning about it..
But when you experience the spiritual Awakening, there's some point it's also forbidden even in the bible...Yeah cos you may even die,loose life...
Sending love and light to you all
You can be told a lie at such a great skill that you would be willing to reject the truth when presented'.....This Lady is right!!!
You kambas are the ones supporting her..whats the deal with you guys..
This guy is soo calm, precise and eloquent with his views, I love the composure, is superb...
This woman is brilliant
The lady is shouting which is her personality but her points are very valid...our history can't lie..and let's not allow people steal our history
Nilikuwa in another room nikashindwa watu wanagombana wapi.
She needs to find a different way to communicate.
She is stressing not shouting
@@Lwagze Lool, she's really angry at white people and black "stupidity"
History can be rewritten bha Gods truth will always be
This GUY IS A CLOWN INVEBTING HIS OWN HISTORY...
We are a generation that have received the information about the gospel but not felt the power of the gospel. May God send his people in signs and wonders.
Which God?
Amen in Jesus name
@@SamuelNjoki The creator of Heaven and earth,the God that created time but is not contained in it, the one Who's Kingdom is an everlasting one. The invincible God
I just hope you don't think a mzungu half God will come to save you
@@conradmbugua9098 The bible doesn't describe the colour of God..so the pictures that potray white Jesus are unbiblical because its just a man made image ..
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
God is spirit and you cannot specify His colour..We should burn all those images of God..and worship Him in truth and in Spirit.
God is for all races Everyone.. Why don't we focus on this message of His eternal love that He died for us..All of us ...
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrated His own love towards us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us "
God bless Mr T for his submission to stand with the true Gospel.
Christianity is a scam please wake up.
Our lady, our Highness, is Well Informed #fullstop
who else cannot relate with pastor t"s general cliches and general statements? i find this lady very articulate and to the point. i just love her
I love this lady so much,she remind me of history back in the days.she making point love your dear.
Am here coz of her, that's African knowledge. Pastor T,learn learn learn. Soma kaka Soma soma
The lady is do wise. I have also studied African history and I agree with what she is saying
Trouble is,they don't want to acknowledge us...
We mchawi wewe..mkamba anongelelea african history hapana..ni nyinyi mmeshikilia uchawi hapa kitui
Try to get the letter written by King Leopold 2 of Belgium to the missionaries in the Congo,he gave them instructions to hide and conceal the fact that Africans were religious people and the Bible was made to appear foreign when in the real sense it was an African book.
Unless we get the basics right,it will be hard to identify which group of Africans were the chosen people because not ALL were,skin color is not kin.
@@justinamusyoka4986 But the King James version is edited. It's called King James version for a reason. Loads of books are missing from Bible, they omitted those books to push their agenda.
@@bajanstarseed Truth....i used the term "Bible" because its what is understandable but "Biblio" was not an African term,and yes ,they 'authorized " KJB for a reason,meaning there are many unauthorized out there and still relevant.
The kinda Godly wisdom pastor T has is just amazing. We're blessed to have such a gift from God. In the end , the main purpose of the Bible/Gospel is to guide all people unto Salvation, whether black or white , God offers salvation to us all regardless of our races.
True...just anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Exactly!!
Your OPINION only
Only you can save you! My experience
@@tuforu4 Just as when you break the law of the land you face the Law, so also when you break the Law of God you face His Law. With man, you can go to jail or pay a fine. With God, the jail is hell and the fine is too big for anyone to pay for themselves. Jesus paid that fine through His death on the cross and now He offers that gift of salvation freely to all who believe in Him as their Savior.
But if you refuse, you remain guilty and on Judgement day you will face the Law of God.
"A book that is subject to scholary scrutiny " finally someone who understands it
The love that I have for pastor T ..... ❤❤❤ May God answer with fire Ameeen
The Apostle is well read and composed, easily educates and makes it easy to understand
He is just a bible scholar!!! He does not know how to seek God from within!!! He is talking about God from without!!!
Pastor T is speaking the Truth. Truth is never subject to perception it remains Truth no matter how hard it's fought/denied. As Pst T has said, our forefathers downed their ways and gods at the altar where they encountered Yahweh. The One True God. An encounter is what people need
Each guest here was exploding with truth and knowledge. It all depends on your position on religion and spirituality. But Apostle T. is one unique pastor. He is such a brilliant fellow who dived into intense research to defend what he believes in.
Good job on research Mr T. Not many who call themselves teachers of scripture are willing to take on Bible sceptic questions and debates because they are not willing to inform themselves outside of scriptures on history, cultures or philosophy.
Good job God bless you.
I enjoy a good heated but intelligent conversation such as this one. That parting shot by Pastor T sums it all up. Let the one true God defend himself and reveal Himself by fire. When it comes to this level it becomes very much a spiritual affair and that's where we stop and say, "let the real God defend Himself". History shows that He always does.
True
Dear God, do it Again!
Vile gikomba huchomeka kila mwaka!
You GENIUS i bet and well travelled...
seems like he's always losing
Pastor T knowledge is unmatched, he is smart and knowledgeable, well articulated and composed
Crammed what he learnt from the muzungu college of theology
My god..what ah disgrace
I love this African sister, she is wise.
God bless you pastor T...I really do pray that our God make Himself know so that people may know who the true God is..But not our will but His will be done 🙏🏽😰😤
Amen Pastor T the God of fire will answer.
The finality of it all was at Mt. Camel! Powerful.
I love the conversation. Its indeed sparking curiosity!
Pastor T is eloquent and well versed with his doctorine. Many people will resonate with him. But hes so limited and not willing to go beyond the confines of religion and academia.
For nyar kano, thankyou for being bold enough daughter of soil. The society quickly labels people like you as crazy. Am glad that the audience hasn't!!
The information you habour is so deep and challanges everyones believe system. The reason why pastor T seems to be flowing with it easily. You cant challenge a mans' believe system overnight. Thats why brainwashing takes effect overgenerations .
However, the truth is much deeper than you guys are even willing know leave alone to accept. Hidden, far beneath thick layers of lies, secrets and twists.
But kudos guys. Keep up with the good debate.... We are loving it.
Thank you
@Antony Mn Nyarry is espousing Black Consciousness. It's good to see Black Consciousness finally making it's way into the discourse in Kenya. That said, there is bound to be resistance because Kenyans are very white obsessed and white identified due to colonisation and years of living under one dictatorship or the other. It's going to take decades to reverse the mental slavery that is so prevalent in Kenya.
The thing about having a free floating form of spirituality... One that picks everything it finds on the road and uses it as spiritual enlightenment, is it's often... if not always demonic. That's why Pastor T is stuck on the bible as the standard. In life you need a constant irrefutable, unshakeable rock that you can compare everything to. Otherwise you're on shaky ground
@@lekis5975 Have you noticed tho, how black consciousness is turning into something evil. Low key racist, witchcrafty and odd spirituality paired with unverified loads of information about our heritage. It's good we start loving ourselves but tusisahau shaito ni mjanja na anadai kutumia kila kitu kudivide and rule as Swiry said. It's become a tool of division too. "Black owned"... mzungu ajaribu kusema "white owned" ataitwa racist but juu sisi ndio tulikuwa oppressed no one has the guts to call us out on our own BS. Acha tucompete based on competence despite our unique challenges as a people, we have unique strengths as well. I'm just tryna say black consciousness has a really bad side as well
@@laceyloops
If this strong unshakeable foundation fails to give you answers you need, what should you do?
This is beautiful, we have an opportunity to share information and challenge one another. I love the African proverb UBUNTU, "I am, because you are." Thank you and keep in keeping on.
This Gospel is never defended ....Our God will always defend Himself in Power and Mighty works....
Weeezdom from nyar Kano...🔥🔥tell them for they do not know
Deception or weeedom
She's making some sense though. I see people applauding T Mwangi which is okay but y'all have seen he's agreed with some of Swiry's concepts
@@redickomondi7973 bro you were you asleep ,, you can’t have a productive conversation without acknowledging the other party’s views ,, in this case they didn’t agree on everything and at some point also the lady agreed with Pastor T
@@CaptainConstand It's a two way thing,, i thought you were going to come up with something new but seems we're talking about the same thing but on different sides.
one came with a notebook, the other empty handed.
Great job Pastor Tee. I enjoyed listening to you. Thanks for pointing us to the True Light.
Overall, I admire the respect you both had for each other. This is how a debate must be. Sending God's love to you both!
I love her passion!
The bottom line is that God is still on the throne. And as pastor T says, may he answer by fire. People should seek the face of God and not rely much on subjective publications. It's dangerous to form an opinion from doctor so and so. May God answer all our questions about humanity, creation, afterlife by 🔥
I'm still waiting for that 🔥 lol.🤣🤣🤣
What does that mean by 🔥?
@David Gitahi and how is one supposed to seek God's face?
There is no problem in questioning
Just who you are asking...
For me I ask God deep spiritual questions and He answers
Don't you think you echoing blindly....I guess Vivian is so real....the next thing because of facing thr west is abandoned african ethics calling then diabolic....let that fire be but shock on you long gone are those fire avenges.....today mercy dominates.we can't hide on before mercy and operate it the same way....Jesus came so that faith operated now not physical fire....hiyo hautaona
Yes pastor T. Let God answer by fire. That’s the only solution.
I like it when King'ori says, "You Know Solomon's Reputation".
We appreciate everyword pastor Mr Tee...,may the almighty God be with you 🤲
Me loving the composure and wisdom from pastor mwangi. The lady is quarrelling chei
I only discovered this channel today and Iove it already. Great Content 🙌👌 much love from South Africa 🇿🇦
I admire Pastor T. He is very composed too. May God continue to give him more Wisdom. The bible will never change to please man.
but interpreters change the bible
I guarantee you there are people in the audience that this knowledge is hitting in their soul
Swirry Nyar Kano, Thank You for Shining A Light. Pastor T You Are Our Brother, Same Community: I Also Believe In Our Life Time YHWH Is Still YHWH. Great Conversation With Your Two Guests Dr. Kingori. We Are Heading To Mt. Camel.
Dr Kingori told the both of them to come with reference books last time. The lady has quoted I think two or more. Mr. T is all about big names and theological terms which he was taught in bible school. Surely, shall we rely on that one source of information which you accept yourself that it was twisted to favour the interest of the colonialist and white supremist? My message to the Lady is please if you have the energy, continue edifying them, but if you feel worn out, it's not a must. Mental slavery is deep rooted, I mean, think about more than 500 years. It's not their fault. That's why I feel your pain in your speech and people here are quick to say that you are shouting. They don't understand. Probably if they were the ones beaten to death or sold as slaves, then looking forward to this generation of brainwashed Africans, then they would understand why your speech has so much rage, for lack of a better word. Otherwise, good job. You're doing your ancestors proud.
It's so sad bro, we have been forced into submission to religion and one thinking outside it is unclean/foolish.
People are refusing to open their eyes to the facts right infront of them..
FYI Pastor T didnt attend bible school. The bible in itself is a syllabus from Heaven and is even taught by the Holy Spirit
@@sialuk85 do you even hear yourself
@@Kibenny 🤔🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣
The lady is fully awake , I can't stop listening to her.
Not so fast ,her historic knowledge is biast
Yea I resonate with her
This should be kind of conversions we need on tv wacha zile politics za day and night to benefit few selfish individuals. Kwa sasa I'd recommend a book called "conversations with God" first edition.
Let's now agree that the spread of Bible teachings was manipulated to favour slave trade, sasa turudi hapo we link it back to be one solid spiritual thing to end that whites and blacks thing. Ama namna gani?
Add more volume plseeeee
Amen Pastor T.Very soon kitaeleweka and a huge distinction will be evident between the wicked and holy and the Light and darkness.
The passion in nyar's voice damn!!!
Pastor T must be a scorpio by zodiac zodiac. ..he's so abundant in his arranged words that capture the ear , both are speaking the same thing only in different languages and baseline
I agree with her on the new generation not teaching vernacular is bad!
@Samuel Ngugi is not just bad, it's SELF SABOTAGE, it means you have turned your mind over to the other people. Quiet as it's kept, back in the 1930 some Boers immigrated from South Africa to Eldoret. The British welcomed them with open arms, after all they were looking to turn Kenya into a white man's land. Anyway, after a few years, the Boers started to build their own school. Which pissed the British off. When the British asked why the Boers were building their own schools instead of using Brit schools, the Boers said it was important they build their own school so that they could teach their children Afrikaans. When Brits got pissed and said Eldoret was British territory and to teach Afrikaans was a sign of disloyalty. The Boers said, they needed to teache their children Afrikaans because in the next 5-10 years the elders would be dead, and that would make it difficult to teach their children the lingo. I don't know how the dispute ended, however that spat really highlights the power of culture, especially LANGUAGE. Wahenga walisema, mkosa mila ni mtumwa. And truly, Kenyans are nothing but slaves to all things white. We can't even share our secrets and strategies, without the white man catching wind of our plans!
I trust in God and I believe in him. Thank you pastor T🙏🙏🙏🙏 God bless continue standing by the word of God🙏🙏🙏
30 min is no longer enough for this show we have to agree
True especially when pastor T is around
Especially when we are dealing with serious issues like this one's.
Thank God Man Kush was busy
this could have been a 3 day convo
Excellent discussion! Pastor T is articulate and he complements Sister Kano’s contribution. She sounds like me when I try to talk about our situation/culture/beliefs, etc. I’m glad she mentioned Chancellor Williams and his book The Destruction of Black Civilization. We must give ourselves permission to be true to ourselves and that includes reconciling with what was stolen- our culture, belief systems, knowledge, beauty standards, etc.
Pastor T went X games mode on this interview 🙌🏾🙌🏾God bless
My my my. Father give me answers. Did you stop inspiring? Lord inspire my ways, my decisions, the words I speak. One more thing, you are God of all, Father please may my life radiate your glory. And whenever I encounter such as this girl. Give me wisdom and the right words to answer. Not to defend you because you don't need it. But to shine your light in this world.
Am glad that Mista T is open concerning this issue of history and always willing to engage with Facts ..Great guidance... Nyarkano-i like her inquisitive nature its a high time this kinds of questions and topics are discussed in this candid manner...as long as it brings Gods Edification
Huyo msichana ame rogwa....We respect u pastor T.
Congratulations pastor T....you have what it takes to be on that sit
This lady has something. If you open minded you can see it. Jesus Christ reigns
Correct...
Pastor T is collective calm and put is wisdom direct in our hearts huyu dem anashout and its difficult even to grasp what she says
people are different, just listen to the words not the tone
That final remark by pastor finishes everything..The Discussion can only end at Mt.Carmel..Let the really God answer by Fire..Hapo umevunja shetani backbone..
Something very unsettling about Vivian her aggressiveness fighting posture points to a possive spirit. Pst T has put it right at the mount of carmel
Real fire of revival shall answer this generation.
Refiners fire this one I desire 🔥
Just because you find her style unsettling does not justify your being unfairly judgemental and dismissive.
Most of these historical books have some truth. It is the Spirit of Truth and Life who shows us what to keep and discard.
Conversation ya "what happens after we die" itakuwa 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Pastor T is always calm and collected.
That's strength y'all...
Stating facts
I love this girl, African culture has been undermined by Christianity which the white man brought to us
@Joakim Muriuki Judaism came from Africa, you only have to look at the similarities between Judaism, Christianity (Old Testament) and Traditional African culture (rites, rituals, philosophies, values and religious practices), in order to understand that Judaism came from Africa. Christianity and Islam are off shoots of Judaism.
In a nutshell, Judaism, Christianity and Islam came from Africa, we are unable to see that because white people decided to white wash the bible. In 2nd form, we were taught some of these things, but the teachers were careful not to emphasise the political aspect of it, because we were living in a dictatorship. Education was supposed to ensure we passed exams, not to transform us into radical critical thinkers. Any teachers or lecturers who tried to enlighten students would be fired or locked up or end up in exile.
The KJV Bible was written in 1611 by King James II. By then the British had been involved in the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade (TAST) for *50 years*; Henry VIII endorsed slave trade, his daughter Elizabeth I created a trading company which sold slaves . The British royal family were the biggest slave traders; Charles I, II, and James (IV of Scotland, II of England) right through to their descendants George I, II, III, IV to King William IV all benefitted from slavery- from the 16th century, the royal family formed various trading companies at different points , at one point they had a monopoly on trade in West Africa, including slave trade for 200 years! Records show, their company was responsible for importing/transporting the largest number of stolen Africans to be enslaved!
Prior to 1600, slavery was not based on SKIN COLOUR, everyone and anyone would be enslaved, however in the 16th century, the focus shifted to the enslavement of Black people, and this coincided with white washing of the Bible. It was necessary to white wash the bible in order to entrench the doctrine of White Supremacy so as to justify that White people were superior, and Black people were inferior, this way, they could argue that Black people were different, less than and therefore fit to be used as beasts of burden.
I don't have a major problem with the bible, as a guiding tool for spirituality, or as a source of philosophy. My only concern is that we do not see ourselves in it, sufficient to see ourselves as the originators, and at best as equal partners to whites) (and I'm being generous here to white people when I call them equal partners to us, because they are GENETIC MUTATIONS!)
All those virtues espoused in the Bible are African virtues, the philosophies etc. We don't see it because the missionary's brother aka Mr Coloniser convinced us we were nothing before they came, and that they came with the light to bring us out if the darkness. Nonsense
Amen pastor the real fire will come and no energies will stand only the true and living God will have the final say .. I praise You Jesus !
Always glad to sit and learn from my pastor Mr. T
Nyar so wise, pastor T our ancient ways are our ways
This girl is still informed ,,, absolutely no doubt......
Pastor T big up, very well informed and decent from the way He presents his points...
People are not giving nyar Kano the credit she deserves continue teaching this black people their history until they come to the know
But the truth remains that as Africans a lot of knowledge is hidden from us and we can't wish away that information I believe in the bible when we look into our history there is evidence to show that, and remember many of books are in western libraries even today about us many people dont even know that we were the originators of writing,medicine,we performed the first caesarian section so we can't wish that away
Ziko among all the history hidden in Vatican 🤣🤣
@wycliffe levigan Well said. Indeed a lot of information is concealed about African achievements. It was deliberately concealed in order to promote WHITE SUPREMACY (racism). That said, many Black intellectuals, writers and revolutionaries have tried to sensitise the masses, but to no avail. Kenyans have been held back by colonisation and years of living under dictators, who stifled all manner of discourse in the country. I look forward to BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS becoming part of the discourse in Kenya.
Our history being hidden doesn't dismiss the fact that God exists and Jesus came,died and resurrected and will return. You know this is the fact that many are running away from, by hiding in African spirituality conspiracies
@@sophiekimathi LOL! You think you're saying something important. Jesus was a Jew, yes or no? Yes. Now, do yourself a favour and go and ask the JEWS, if Jesus is the Messiah, go and ask them if the Messiah has come. And while you are at it, ask them why they don't believe in Jesus Christ, ask them to give you the REASONS why they don't believe that Christ was the Messiah.
@@sophiekimathi african cultures never mention jesus, jesus is just an allegory for the sun, he was never real and no one will come to save you, you are responsible for your own spiritual awakening through meditation and kundalini, this is what christian literalists miss
Pastor T all the way.very wise and informative
Pastor T i beg to differ,that science has helped in eradicating some of these diseases doesn't mean i have to lose me,my identity...
Hehehe did you get his argument. He never said you deny your culture. He gave credit to the white with what we have borrowed so far that has helped. He was not rubbing off African culture simple.
Would you please watch BBC docus on slavery and how Christianity started then analyse and youight discover more and then get in touch on this very platform...
Certainly you believe BBC the same white man. If they support you but when he talks about himself it hurts you.?
@@akinyiokeyo4618 dont believe everything you see........remeber these are fixed and edited
There's only one TRUTH at the end of the day.
Only time will reveal it .
True Wisdom is always humble and from the two you can know who is who.
My people perish for lack of knowledge.
you might be humble & a big liar
Vivian is not proud...pastor T is just more composed
Have you not seen how humble politicians are yet they steal and kill?
The knowledge in that lady is astounding.
The lady is also intelligent
Pastor Tee Man of God full of Wisdom! Ai! Love this Wisdom.
May Jesus Christ of Nazareth exceed you Brother!
She has a point but she allows feelings to take control
that's what you're being conditioned to think
We all have this colonial mentality that keeps us feeling inferior, we don't trust anything African but the whole world comes to Africa for all the best resources