Don't make them too short, though! You'll lose stability in flight. Maybe half the length of a normal arrow. Europeans used short bolts to maximize the acceleration. They started using longer bolts in the renaissance and after.
Why not use steel arrows. There are several ancient mentioning about steel arrows made completely out of steel used on 225 kg bow by Tenth Guru of Sikh religion Guru Gobind singh ji
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Lol. Innocent bystander: "Omg there's a man with a knife!" *starts tying a bow to feet and putting on shin guards.* Historical archery: "Ok give me a min I'll take care of him."
I think what makes the bow harder is psychology. You know a deadlift is constant force and it's basically safe to drop anytime so you can just go all out on the lift. Pulling the bow you have mire things to worry about: aiming, monitoring to make sure it doesn't break, Feeling the force ramp up at 9lb/in, balancing the force through your left and right... and you can't lock out at the end. Requires more from the stabilizers.
i think the main reason my dealift is twice this weight is because the deadlift does not have all the force in your hands, but rather on your back. most of the pain is from my fingers
heavier bows shoot heavier arrows more efficiently, heavier arrows means more momentum. But I agree that after a certain point the performance increase gets plateaued. Would love to test this with more scientific equipment
@@robinj6997 I am fully aware of that, thanks. I am also shooting short traditional horsebows, their design is way more effective than self bows/longbows.
@@robinj6997 dude, in so called "test videos", they even shoot light bolts from heavy crossbows, and making assumption of this, as 1000lbs crossbow is same strong as 150lbs longbow. They don't know, that all bolts are flying about same speed, so when you're increasing poundage, you actually need to increase bolt weight, to get kinetic energy. Otherwise, differance in energy is marginal. It upsets me too.They should use 200g bolts with 900 lbs crossbow, and even 250g bolts with 1200 lbs crossbows. While, they are using 50 or 80g bolts. Then Skaladrim made test, where he is showing, that 1000 lbs windlass crossbow is "not so powerfull". Lol. He would be suprised when he would increase bolt weight to 200 or 250g.
That's one hell of a bow, rooting for you on your quest to 240. How may bows have you had over the years? Id imagine there's been quite a few steps between 50lbs and the mid 100's of pounds bows you shoot now
i have like over 20 now lol but alot of them are sold/broken/lost. Buying a lot more now, there will be a 100lb Korean warbow and 90lb Manchu bow coming. intending to shoot those bows at distance for accuracy
Good luck on your experiment. The most common standard infantry crossbow of the Han Dynasty was the 6 stone (387lb) crossbow with probably a ~19 inch powerstroke. This was a standard infantry weapon rather than a multiperson field artillery weapon because 44% of crossbows (which numbered in the hundreds of thousands) were 6 stone according to the Chu Yen slips. The ~150-180 pound crossbows were more like the entry level infantry crossbows, and Mike Loades on p. 70 of his book on Crossbows said Han troops had to span a 168 lb crossbow as an [entry] physical requirement. I presume the lighter 1-3 stone crossbows were probably used for training, cavalry, and entry level crossbowmen. Mike Loades also quotes Stephen Selby's work "Chinese Archery" and states that elite crack troops could draw a crossbow of up to 360 kg (793 lbs) with the fetal position leg press/dead lift technique. The light field artillery crossbows were called the "Great Yellow Crossbow" with 10+ stone (645lb+) draw weight and probably used some sort of mechanical aid like a winching device as portrayed in Han era murals.
@@HistoricalWeapons I've seen HackneyedScribe comment on historum.com, forums.totalwar.com, and twcenter.net/forums. You can try making accounts there to see if you can contact him.
@@HistoricalWeapons Wouldn't recommend talking to Hackney* for prolonged times. Some of his postings are inaccurate. On occasion us Total War players are susceptible to fancies or have our opinions molded by fantasies and not historical sources
Dude that's so ridiculous I have to love it. Even as a huge, strong guy I'm struggling with a 100 lbs at 28 inches (miss practise on my old days and take a good to handle 70 lbs for fun shooting). Does it penetrating 3 layers of what ever woodish stuff? I don't care, but broke a 3/4 inch arrow in diameter by doing that?! Holy crap thats take an insane amount of force to manage that espetcially to broke one on every shot.
Can you compare turkish-mongol archery history to british archery History and which bow is better than the other in long and short distance and do you have any idea which bow technique have distance record
@@HistoricalWeapons and you can also test impact of both bows against plate armor in short and long distance if you do that i will appreciate you and i i have started following you
English Archery is different to Scottish Archery although Welsh Archery is similar to English Archery. See, you cant just say British you have to be specific
Have you read the white company, by sir Arthur Conan Doyle? In the story, one of the longbow man, challenges a Crossbow man. To cut a long story short, In the end the bowman uses his feet lying down to shoot,and the crossbow man says "You have just turned your bow into a crossbow" Or words to that effect. Thank you.
this reminds me of something i remember reading but can't find again -- have you ever heard of Mongols shooting really high lb bows from a lying down position the way you did? Because I definitely remember reading it but when I looked again I couldn't find anything on shooting bows with feet in East Asia.
Made a video about chinese crossbows, they are actual crossbows with large prods like the one shown. I would assume the mongols had those Chinese crossbows but ended up shooting it with their feet because over the years the triggers broke? Not sure. ua-cam.com/video/k4iqUmVvmT8/v-deo.html
just a thought but the fact that pulling the 240 is as hard as 400 lbs is yes body positioning and the fact that unlike weights which are only being pulled back to the ground by the force gravity the bow has active resistance like pulling a huge rubber band which would be greater than the pull of gravity. (not a scientist, just a board and mind wandering)
When I string my longbow Start with a wider stance like a little past shoulder width Then take a squat position, hold the bow to ur chest and lift with the lags, not the lower back. Find it easier, using a wider stance squat lift and the bow doesn't seem to mind
This is awesome! I envy your strength and archery knowledge. Trying to learn more myself. Maybe reach out to the channel Medieval Crossbows in Germany for heavy 300 pound + long draw inspiration and than work on the Chinese trigger system to put it all together. Can't wait!
I've heard somewhere that the viking/early medieval Scandinavian cultures would bind long bows to their feet and shoot them in this manner. But I'll need to fact check this. Perhaps its described somewhere in the sagas Edit: hmm evidence for this seems non-existent.
@@HistoricalWeapons Sorry I'm commenting this late to your video. Some Brazilian indigenous tribes used to shoot arrows this way as you can check here (www.scielo.br/img/revistas/vh/v25n41/a05fig01.jpg). That's a famous painting by Jean-Baptiste Debret (a French painter who lived in Brazil from 1816-1831) and it's named "Caboclos or Civilized Indians" (in Debret's time any baptized Indigenous in Brazil were considered "civilized"). I read in a history forum that they used softer wood for those bows though (so it was not that hard to pull the string) and the arrows were heavier and bigger than the corresponding arrows for that size of a bow. Also those bows were not for war, but for hunting. Since they employed heavier and bigger arrows even if the shoot didn't strike the birds on a vital spot, they would fall anyways, dazed by the impact. They also shoot on groups of bird (instead of isolated ones) so you'd have better chances to hit one. The tribe from that painting was completely assimilated/anihilated until 1866 so scholars (from what I've read) are not sure if the bow was attached to their feet during the shooting or if that painting is accurate in that sense.
I have Deadlifted 800 in reps ,and it's Still Painful to String My Super Heavies , I Still Shoot Mine By Hand Though , 230# 6 ends of 6 Arrows ,Scored at 20-30 yards
Please don’t kill yourself dude. I love your video, but that thing looks like it’s designed to kill the shooter, not the target! I’m still amazed at the design of that bow and how much energy it can store. Your comments about the development of projectile weapons in Chinese history is amazing. Genius ancient Chinese design!
The 400pounds have the pull of gravity, the bow like a band it pulls it self "harder" in a wrong correct way down. For example I could lift 70kg dealift, but when I did my 25kg band resistance a two loop and tried to "deadlift" it I almost couldnt. I dont know how to explain this with physics, best I can do is "The bow is pulling you down more than the free weight" in a way. Hence harder. edit: I think I found something close to what I mean. With a free weight at the begging you have the max resistance and the closer you go to the final possition of your exercise the less resistance you have on the muscle for.. reasons which I didnt bother search more. With a resistance band or the bow in this instance you have the oppossite, when you start you have the least resistance and you have the max at the end. That. Thats why stretching this, feels harder than a deadlift with in theory double the lbs
"Hey, Bill, did you see the new shaft for my spear?" "No, why?" "Well, I can't find... that a new bow?" "...yes..." "...Bill, you know my spear shaft was way too thick to be usable for a bow, right?" "..." "Are you sure you haven't seen my spear shaft?" "...n-no..."
@@HistoricalWeapons I don't want to sound too bitter about it, but i am glad you noticed because i did that 129 arrows video and largely nobody gave a damn but they are falling all over shad.
@@TexGrebnerOutdoors it's youtube man. 6 years ago I had 600,000 views from a video but nobody remembers now. UA-cam keeps changing. Just keep doing what your good at man
So, if goliath had this bow then the rock that David slung would have cleaved in half and the arrow would have continued through David and the first four rows of his army.
Take a look at the instant legolas. Jorg Sprave from the slingshot channel has made a device to turn any bow into repeating bow. He's also using a second bow with lower draw weight to help reducing the draw weight of the main bow. It's hard to explain, just check it yourself. It's called instant legolas
Love the new videos. I have a question concerning turning that into a crossbow. What are the chances of that thing exploding when you start shooting short crossbow bolts out of it? It might be wise to take safety precautions with your first several test shots.
Guru Gobind Singh's bow was 496 lb. Now this is placed in Punjab and during war his arrows (Made from Iron) pentrated 8-10 people with every single shot.
So how much do rowing exercises help in doing this? I'm not particularly experienced in archery, but I am quite experienced in those. Is drawing a 240lb bow as hard as doing a 240lb dumbbell row? More difficult? Less?
Haven't lifted up dumbells. But holding an arrow from 120 pound bow is hard af and shooting it accurately is harder. (Switching bow poundage is actually pretty hard after 100.)
@@temukaxd2037 I would love to give it a shot, but those custom war bows are expensive and I don't have the equipment or time to make one. Just buying a 120lb bow seems to set me back as far as a versatile set of gym equipment, meaning $1,000+.
How about making a video with some really big guys, like bodybuilders or powerlifters and see how do they handle such an heavy bow? There are many channels doing this kind of testing but none with bows yet. As an example I could suggest for example the channel of Juji and Tom, they are nice and try these kind of stuff all the time! Greetings!
There really is no other movement in the gym/powerlifting that replicates the drawing of a longbow. To shoot a 240 lb bow you have to practice shooting bows for years, strengthening the muscle groups that are used to pull back the string. I highly doubt Juji could draw this bow. I would even hesitate to say Hafthor Bjornsson could draw this bow the full 32 inches, and he's arguably the world's strongest man.
@@johnbarron4265 I have to disagree a bit, am not a bodybuilder fan or something. I think every one can handle bows arround the strenght of, like 80% of the weight they can handle for example a "Single-Arm Dumbbell Row", the 20% for stablelising this unusual new position. +300 lb dumbbells do exist, there are insane guys out there lol.
@@FMeyer-zg5mg You're right that 300 lb dumbbells exist. As for the dumbbell row, it's not at all indicative of bow drawing strength. Drawing a bow places the greatest amount of load on the lats when they are at peak contraction, ie at their weakest. With a traditional bow, you cannot escape this fact. Now consider the dumbbell row. Most guys that row very heavy weight are recruiting their obliques to help rotate their torso about the hip, thus assisting the lift. They also accelerate the weight backward and upward very briskly during the beginning of the rep. Momentum carries the weight up as the force they are exerting sharply drops as the shoulder blade fully contracts. They don't dwell at the top of the rep because they simply don't have enough strength at peak contraction to hold the weight there.
@@johnbarron4265 Well its the same muscle group, and a 60kg guy with perfect training and technic wont shoot a 240lb bow ever. i did start basicly with the weight i could handle dumbbells to every directions easily, which was arround 60lb, thats why i came up with my point of view. Also not every bodybuilder does his exercises bad or even wrong, like using momentum. Technic makes it easier, but muscles are necessary. Until i see a guy like Hafthor or Eddie Hall failing to shoot a bow with lets say 200lb, i will stay at my point and disagree.
@@FMeyer-zg5mg I never said that using momentum to assist the lift was bad form or improper technique. My point was that in the videos you find of guys rowing 150+ lb dumbbells, they invariably use momentum, or they don't complete the full range of motion. Which is fine for doing rows, but you can't use momentum or half-rep when drawing a super heavy bow. This is the main reason why Eddie Hall or Hafthor may be able to pull 240 lbs off the floor with one hand, but I guarantee you neither one can hold 240 lbs with one hand while their shoulder blade or scapula is fully retracted. At least not without years of training.
This my conclusion why 400 pound in deadlift weight different than the bow is because in deadlift you lifting it the only gravity pulling the weight down but with bow the bow itself pulling with the force 240 not just gravity
I keep hearing great things about this Archerybowman, but I cannot for the life of me find his profile or store page on Ebay. Can any one help me with a direct link?
I wonder if you could use this powerful bow as the front bow of a Chinese double bow. The rear bow could be half the weight, so you could use anything you have lying around. The big benefit of the double bow mechanism is that you halve the draw weight. Therefore, you could actually pull it without ... you know ... pain. Lots of pain. You do need a really long stock, of course, because you double the draw length. But I think overall, it would be worth it.
Well, try to shoot 200 gram arrow from this and measure kinetic energy (well actual speed by chronometer and calculate kinetic energy from it according formaly). I'm sure, this thing can get past 200 joules.
There is no way in hell that is a ballistae. It's a called a scorpion. The ballistae is a siege weapon, and was used to target slow moving tightly formed infantry. Some ballistae could fire tree trunk sized bolts up to a mile. The Scorpion could be manned by small teams of 2, 3, or 4 men could fire a bolt with decent accuracy up to 700 yards. Mostly scorpions were mounted on a small cart so they could be wheeled around by foot soldiers or pulled by a horse
Its some real "Good news bad news" if you tried to hold up a shield to an arrow like this: Good new: You no longer need to hold onto your shield! It's going to stay attached to your arm. You've got a free hand! Bad news: You can no longer hold anything in your shield hand because a massive arrow just pinned your shield to your arm AND (hopefully) the head of the arrow penetrated fully through your forearm (at least that's easier to remove than a buried head). Either way those tendons in your arms ain't working if a bigass arrow just moved on in and decided to make some space for itself!
Your deadlift wouldn't have dropped from 400lbs to 240 that quickly. Here you you were holding it for a long time in a not quite locked out position and I'm guessing you didn't warm up like you would have for a deadlift.
do not try at home
Man I wanna see this repeating
Don't make them too short, though! You'll lose stability in flight. Maybe half the length of a normal arrow. Europeans used short bolts to maximize the acceleration. They started using longer bolts in the renaissance and after.
Why not use steel arrows. There are several ancient mentioning about steel arrows made completely out of steel used on 225 kg bow by Tenth Guru of Sikh religion Guru Gobind singh ji
ua-cam.com/video/ccrsnvvAGAA/v-deo.html
Watch at 3:33
ua-cam.com/video/cfGa7Dbkq00/v-deo.html
You're no man but "The human Ballista" now. Every one has his super powers
Mines Heavier and did it with My Hands ✋
Mans a siege weapon
@@dennyerickson6578 you don’t lift weights. You must lift houses.
@@Zhisaoka bro is the house flipper
You put your body on the line for us. Earned my continued viewership. Now lets see how you grow from here.
Also consider steel shaft arrows?
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
"Do you want a bow or a quarterstaff?" - "Yes."
Lol.
Innocent bystander: "Omg there's a man with a knife!"
*starts tying a bow to feet and putting on shin guards.*
Historical archery: "Ok give me a min I'll take care of him."
That was the funniest thing i read all day, thanks for the laugh lololol.
@@mt9120 Sure thing :)
4 years later "ok I'm ready to fire"
I think what makes the bow harder is psychology. You know a deadlift is constant force and it's basically safe to drop anytime so you can just go all out on the lift. Pulling the bow you have mire things to worry about: aiming, monitoring to make sure it doesn't break, Feeling the force ramp up at 9lb/in, balancing the force through your left and right... and you can't lock out at the end. Requires more from the stabilizers.
i think the main reason my dealift is twice this weight is because the deadlift does not have all the force in your hands, but rather on your back. most of the pain is from my fingers
I've heard performance drops off steeply after 150lb. Testing whether 240lb has much more power/range than 150lb would be interesting.
heavier bows shoot heavier arrows more efficiently, heavier arrows means more momentum. But I agree that after a certain point the performance increase gets plateaued. Would love to test this with more scientific equipment
To be honest longbows are not too effective platforms, power should be linear if used with correct weight arrows.
@@robinj6997 I am fully aware of that, thanks. I am also shooting short traditional horsebows, their design is way more effective than self bows/longbows.
@@robinj6997 dude, in so called "test videos", they even shoot light bolts from heavy crossbows, and making assumption of this, as 1000lbs crossbow is same strong as 150lbs longbow. They don't know, that all bolts are flying about same speed, so when you're increasing poundage, you actually need to increase bolt weight, to get kinetic energy. Otherwise, differance in energy is marginal. It upsets me too.They should use 200g bolts with 900 lbs crossbow, and even 250g bolts with 1200 lbs crossbows. While, they are using 50 or 80g bolts. Then Skaladrim made test, where he is showing, that 1000 lbs windlass crossbow is "not so powerfull". Lol. He would be suprised when he would increase bolt weight to 200 or 250g.
warrax111 skallagrims tests are worth fuck all pretty much. As you said with heavier bolts the difference would be night and day.
That's one hell of a bow, rooting for you on your quest to 240. How may bows have you had over the years? Id imagine there's been quite a few steps between 50lbs and the mid 100's of pounds bows you shoot now
i have like over 20 now lol but alot of them are sold/broken/lost. Buying a lot more now, there will be a 100lb Korean warbow and 90lb Manchu bow coming. intending to shoot those bows at distance for accuracy
What would that even do to your body???
I was dreaming of mastering the English longbow but now I feel like I gotta Hulk out and master this international monster bow
YES!!! I feels ya lady bro.
I thought this would be clickbait I’m glad I was wrong
im not strong enough with my arms but legs is reasonable
@Tony Maurice crossbow prods were but handbows unsure
Will it go through plate though 🤔
The man delivers! Good luck in your crossbow endevours!
Good luck on your experiment. The most common standard infantry crossbow of the Han Dynasty was the 6 stone (387lb) crossbow with probably a ~19 inch powerstroke. This was a standard infantry weapon rather than a multiperson field artillery weapon because 44% of crossbows (which numbered in the hundreds of thousands) were 6 stone according to the Chu Yen slips. The ~150-180 pound crossbows were more like the entry level infantry crossbows, and Mike Loades on p. 70 of his book on Crossbows said Han troops had to span a 168 lb crossbow as an [entry] physical requirement. I presume the lighter 1-3 stone crossbows were probably used for training, cavalry, and entry level crossbowmen. Mike Loades also quotes Stephen Selby's work "Chinese Archery" and states that elite crack troops could draw a crossbow of up to 360 kg (793 lbs) with the fetal position leg press/dead lift technique. The light field artillery crossbows were called the "Great Yellow Crossbow" with 10+ stone (645lb+) draw weight and probably used some sort of mechanical aid like a winching device as portrayed in Han era murals.
Thanks a lot. Btw are you hackneyscribe from history form?
@@HistoricalWeapons No, I am not. I have encountered Hackneyedscribe in a few online forums before and have read his comments about Han crossbows.
@@Intranetusa definitely interested to talk to him somehow
@@HistoricalWeapons I've seen HackneyedScribe comment on historum.com, forums.totalwar.com, and twcenter.net/forums. You can try making accounts there to see if you can contact him.
@@HistoricalWeapons Wouldn't recommend talking to Hackney* for prolonged times. Some of his postings are inaccurate. On occasion us Total War players are susceptible to fancies or have our opinions molded by fantasies and not historical sources
Imagine 10,000 soldiers firing these at once. Ya know, like that one movie.
Fight in the shade 😏
The big box hardware stores near me sell harder wood dowels, you need to use same size or thicker, oak dowels. Those won't snap.
Dude that's so ridiculous I have to love it. Even as a huge, strong guy I'm struggling with a 100 lbs at 28 inches (miss practise on my old days and take a good to handle 70 lbs for fun shooting). Does it penetrating 3 layers of what ever woodish stuff? I don't care, but broke a 3/4 inch arrow in diameter by doing that?! Holy crap thats take an insane amount of force to manage that espetcially to broke one on every shot.
Can you compare turkish-mongol archery history to british archery History and which bow is better than the other in long and short distance and do you have any idea which bow technique have distance record
Yes I will
@@HistoricalWeapons and you can also test impact of both bows against plate armor in short and long distance if you do that i will appreciate you and i i have started following you
English Archery is different to Scottish Archery although Welsh Archery is similar to English Archery. See, you cant just say British you have to be specific
Has there ever been a man in history that has used a bow like this? Seriously
I’m pretty sure Hawkeyes bow is 240 or 250, it’s a comic but just imagine a guy doing that irl 🤯
top speed of the arrow 172 km/h (calculated using the arrow length and video timeframes)
Have you read the white company, by sir Arthur Conan Doyle? In the story, one of the longbow man, challenges a Crossbow man. To cut a long story short, In the end the bowman uses his feet lying down to shoot,and the crossbow man says "You have just turned your bow into a crossbow" Or words to that effect. Thank you.
I was thinking the same.
this reminds me of something i remember reading but can't find again -- have you ever heard of Mongols shooting really high lb bows from a lying down position the way you did? Because I definitely remember reading it but when I looked again I couldn't find anything on shooting bows with feet in East Asia.
Made a video about chinese crossbows, they are actual crossbows with large prods like the one shown. I would assume the mongols had those Chinese crossbows but ended up shooting it with their feet because over the years the triggers broke? Not sure. ua-cam.com/video/k4iqUmVvmT8/v-deo.html
What was that arrow weight?
about 2500 grain
That's a very strong bow and some good looking arrows
You should make some iron arrows... like almost an inch iron arrows
just a thought but the fact that pulling the 240 is as hard as 400 lbs is yes body positioning and the fact that unlike weights which are only being pulled back to the ground by the force gravity the bow has active resistance like pulling a huge rubber band which would be greater than the pull of gravity. (not a scientist, just a board and mind wandering)
Loki Takahashi yeah if The bow is fixed horizontally 240 pounds would pull it but there's another 240 pounds force holding a bow up 480 pounds in all
You make great videos and experiments💪🏹 thank you🙏
So nice of you thanks
Where is this crossbow bro wee need to see this please make a cross bow will be so bad ass
When you say you're arrows will break because they're only A HALF INCH THICK, you're bow might be a bit to powerful.
the ones i shot are 3/4 inch thick hardwood
, 2000 grain. the ones i pointed were 1/2 inch
Would fiberglass driveway markers work better for heavy bows ?
@@xzqzq probably never tried
When I string my longbow
Start with a wider stance like a little past shoulder width
Then take a squat position, hold the bow to ur chest and lift with the lags, not the lower back.
Find it easier, using a wider stance squat lift and the bow doesn't seem to mind
为什么不试试把这玩意绑上弩臂呢？
why not use it as crossbow?
Did you ever find someone that could shoot this beast of a bow? Shooting it in a regular fashion, I mean :) Would be very interesting to see that.
Not yet
This is awesome! I envy your strength and archery knowledge. Trying to learn more myself. Maybe reach out to the channel Medieval Crossbows in Germany for heavy 300 pound + long draw inspiration and than work on the Chinese trigger system to put it all together. Can't wait!
work in progress song dynasty crossbow
Imagine getting hit from an arrow from that bow. Absolute destruction.
hold my beer, I can catch it.. with my teeth
Enjoy your hobby and thanks for the video. Was interesting enough.
and to think that a mongol bow topped out at a mere 186 lbs. impressive
I've heard somewhere that the viking/early medieval Scandinavian cultures would bind long bows to their feet and shoot them in this manner. But I'll need to fact check this. Perhaps its described somewhere in the sagas
Edit: hmm evidence for this seems non-existent.
honestly would make sense especially during a siege
@@HistoricalWeapons Sorry I'm commenting this late to your video. Some Brazilian indigenous tribes used to shoot arrows this way as you can check here (www.scielo.br/img/revistas/vh/v25n41/a05fig01.jpg). That's a famous painting by Jean-Baptiste Debret (a French painter who lived in Brazil from 1816-1831) and it's named "Caboclos or Civilized Indians" (in Debret's time any baptized Indigenous in Brazil were considered "civilized").
I read in a history forum that they used softer wood for those bows though (so it was not that hard to pull the string) and the arrows were heavier and bigger than the corresponding arrows for that size of a bow. Also those bows were not for war, but for hunting.
Since they employed heavier and bigger arrows even if the shoot didn't strike the birds on a vital spot, they would fall anyways, dazed by the impact. They also shoot on groups of bird (instead of isolated ones) so you'd have better chances to hit one. The tribe from that painting was completely assimilated/anihilated until 1866 so scholars (from what I've read) are not sure if the bow was attached to their feet during the shooting or if that painting is accurate in that sense.
Do you think that could go through a wooden shield?
100 lbs can do it
Could it go through a shield penetrating so deep that it would harm the soldier behind?
@@gn2650 depends
On wood and arrow but yes it. Could
@@HistoricalWeapons Impressive
Rotten particle board?
yeah goes through like butter. i didnt want to use the skids cuz they make the arrows explode
Awesome!
And very inspiring... There could be maybe a deadlift cocking device, for high firing rate. I can help with pseudoplans
Im thinking body builder like Arnold and teach him to use a 240 post it on youtube im curious
I have Deadlifted 800 in reps ,and it's Still Painful to String My Super Heavies , I Still Shoot Mine By Hand Though , 230# 6 ends of 6 Arrows ,Scored at 20-30 yards
Please don’t kill yourself dude. I love your video, but that thing looks like it’s designed to kill the shooter, not the target!
I’m still amazed at the design of that bow and how much energy it can store.
Your comments about the development of projectile weapons in Chinese history is amazing. Genius ancient Chinese design!
How can I buy it???
Is it true? Is was told Filipino natives had once powerful bows and used their feet while laying on the ground to draw the bow.
perhaps
The 400pounds have the pull of gravity, the bow like a band it pulls it self "harder" in a wrong correct way down.
For example I could lift 70kg dealift, but when I did my 25kg band resistance a two loop and tried to "deadlift" it I almost couldnt.
I dont know how to explain this with physics, best I can do is "The bow is pulling you down more than the free weight" in a way. Hence harder.
edit: I think I found something close to what I mean.
With a free weight at the begging you have the max resistance and the closer you go to the final possition of your exercise the less resistance you have on the muscle for.. reasons which I didnt bother search more.
With a resistance band or the bow in this instance you have the oppossite, when you start you have the least resistance and you have the max at the end.
That.
Thats why stretching this, feels harder than a deadlift with in theory double the lbs
Lmfao im so glad i discovered this channel this shit is awesome
Can't wait for the crossbow. I want to know the energy ft/lbs.
"Hey, Bill, did you see the new shaft for my spear?"
"No, why?"
"Well, I can't find... that a new bow?"
"...yes..."
"...Bill, you know my spear shaft was way too thick to be usable for a bow, right?"
"..."
"Are you sure you haven't seen my spear shaft?"
"...n-no..."
I have not got that bow.
Thanks man, your the og for heavy bows
@@HistoricalWeapons I don't want to sound too bitter about it, but i am glad you noticed because i did that 129 arrows video and largely nobody gave a damn but they are falling all over shad.
@@TexGrebnerOutdoors it's youtube man. 6 years ago I had 600,000 views from a video but nobody remembers now. UA-cam keeps changing. Just keep doing what your good at man
indigenous people of Brazil used to hunt birds with this technique
As a Brazilian myself this is true
Are these 240lb bows still available anywhere ?
gone
Can you provide the link to connect with archerybowman?
so legendary- I wonder if it were reflex/deflex design? I bet a very smoothe draw :D :D
So, if goliath had this bow then the rock that David slung would have cleaved in half and the arrow would have continued through David and the first four rows of his army.
Take a look at the instant legolas. Jorg Sprave from the slingshot channel has made a device to turn any bow into repeating bow. He's also using a second bow with lower draw weight to help reducing the draw weight of the main bow. It's hard to explain, just check it yourself. It's called instant legolas
impractical for this bow, too heaavy for any normal man
Love the new videos. I have a question concerning turning that into a crossbow. What are the chances of that thing exploding when you start shooting short crossbow bolts out of it? It might be wise to take safety precautions with your first several test shots.
Brazilian natives used to shoot heavy bows like that.
Guru Gobind Singh's bow was 496 lb.
Now this is placed in Punjab and during war his arrows (Made from Iron) pentrated 8-10 people with every single shot.
haha artillery
for the common use of "people": no. Works with cardboard targets though.
So how much do rowing exercises help in doing this? I'm not particularly experienced in archery, but I am quite experienced in those. Is drawing a 240lb bow as hard as doing a 240lb dumbbell row? More difficult? Less?
Haven't lifted up dumbells. But holding an arrow from 120 pound bow is hard af and shooting it accurately is harder. (Switching bow poundage is actually pretty hard after 100.)
@@temukaxd2037 I would love to give it a shot, but those custom war bows are expensive and I don't have the equipment or time to make one. Just buying a 120lb bow seems to set me back as far as a versatile set of gym equipment, meaning $1,000+.
Keep the videos coming
Is this the bow Odysseus used?
OMG, 240 pounds, the damage is crazy
Do you think that at far enough range, this would count as artillery?
haha finally pulled it then! Joe Gibbs would like to see this!
Carbon fiber arrows next time?
none can withstand this
*miss* guy three blocks away: "Where TF did my arm go?!" 😂
How about making a video with some really big guys, like bodybuilders or powerlifters and see how do they handle such an heavy bow?
There are many channels doing this kind of testing but none with bows yet.
As an example I could suggest for example the channel of Juji and Tom, they are nice and try these kind of stuff all the time!
Greetings!
There really is no other movement in the gym/powerlifting that replicates the drawing of a longbow. To shoot a 240 lb bow you have to practice shooting bows for years, strengthening the muscle groups that are used to pull back the string. I highly doubt Juji could draw this bow. I would even hesitate to say Hafthor Bjornsson could draw this bow the full 32 inches, and he's arguably the world's strongest man.
@@johnbarron4265 I have to disagree a bit, am not a bodybuilder fan or something. I think every one can handle bows arround the strenght of, like 80% of the weight they can handle for example a "Single-Arm Dumbbell Row", the 20% for stablelising this unusual new position. +300 lb dumbbells do exist, there are insane guys out there lol.
@@FMeyer-zg5mg You're right that 300 lb dumbbells exist. As for the dumbbell row, it's not at all indicative of bow drawing strength. Drawing a bow places the greatest amount of load on the lats when they are at peak contraction, ie at their weakest. With a traditional bow, you cannot escape this fact. Now consider the dumbbell row. Most guys that row very heavy weight are recruiting their obliques to help rotate their torso about the hip, thus assisting the lift. They also accelerate the weight backward and upward very briskly during the beginning of the rep. Momentum carries the weight up as the force they are exerting sharply drops as the shoulder blade fully contracts. They don't dwell at the top of the rep because they simply don't have enough strength at peak contraction to hold the weight there.
@@johnbarron4265 Well its the same muscle group, and a 60kg guy with perfect training and technic wont shoot a 240lb bow ever. i did start basicly with the weight i could handle dumbbells to every directions easily, which was arround 60lb, thats why i came up with my point of view. Also not every bodybuilder does his exercises bad or even wrong, like using momentum. Technic makes it easier, but muscles are necessary. Until i see a guy like Hafthor or Eddie Hall failing to shoot a bow with lets say 200lb, i will stay at my point and disagree.
@@FMeyer-zg5mg I never said that using momentum to assist the lift was bad form or improper technique. My point was that in the videos you find of guys rowing 150+ lb dumbbells, they invariably use momentum, or they don't complete the full range of motion. Which is fine for doing rows, but you can't use momentum or half-rep when drawing a super heavy bow. This is the main reason why Eddie Hall or Hafthor may be able to pull 240 lbs off the floor with one hand, but I guarantee you neither one can hold 240 lbs with one hand while their shoulder blade or scapula is fully retracted. At least not without years of training.
This my conclusion why 400 pound in deadlift weight different than the bow is because in deadlift you lifting it the only gravity pulling the weight down but with bow the bow itself pulling with the force 240 not just gravity
this is awesome. subscribed
Awesome, thank you!
Dude where do you get these heavy bows? I cant even find a single bow passed 60lbs on amazon.
ebay
and facebook
Hello fellow VW Golf Owner. 😎 That is a crazy powerful bow though. 🏹
thanks, also do we have to use full synthetic for oil change
@@HistoricalWeapons yep fully synthetic 👍
I keep hearing great things about this Archerybowman, but I cannot for the life of me find his profile or store page on Ebay. Can any one help me with a direct link?
Back positioning adds that weight
Dude shot a dowlrod through 3 layers of an inch thick wood
Recorder of the British Long Bow Society, estimated the bows of the Medieval period drew 90-110 pounds-force (400-490 newtons
/wiki/English_longbow
thats average
I wonder if you could use this powerful bow as the front bow of a Chinese double bow. The rear bow could be half the weight, so you could use anything you have lying around.
The big benefit of the double bow mechanism is that you halve the draw weight. Therefore, you could actually pull it without ... you know ... pain. Lots of pain. You do need a really long stock, of course, because you double the draw length. But I think overall, it would be worth it.
Great content please keep making cool video's
thanks, More to come!
give it to the mountain
That's not a bow, that's a freakin' ballista.
...now I am wondering what a fucking super human machine could do with a 500 lbs bow
Would take years to work up to that.
That's one way to speed run doing leg day.
It's EXTREMELY dangerous to put other's face above the limb when you string a bow.
I was cringing watching it lol
ya he had no experience, i should of told him my bad
Sweet vid 👍👍
Well, try to shoot 200 gram arrow from this and measure kinetic energy (well actual speed by chronometer and calculate kinetic energy from it according formaly). I'm sure, this thing can get past 200 joules.
You are a hero and I wish we could be friends
thanks man
There is no way in hell that is a ballistae. It's a called a scorpion. The ballistae is a siege weapon, and was used to target slow moving tightly formed infantry. Some ballistae could fire tree trunk sized bolts up to a mile. The Scorpion could be manned by small teams of 2, 3, or 4 men could fire a bolt with decent accuracy up to 700 yards. Mostly scorpions were mounted on a small cart so they could be wheeled around by foot soldiers or pulled by a horse
THIS DUDE HAS BECOME A FUCKING BALLISTA!
It says 240# at 30" on the bow. Were you drawing it to 32" or 30"?
English war bows don't mess around!
Man what are you doing? 0:36 that could end very badly :(
yeah i was stupoid
Its some real "Good news bad news" if you tried to hold up a shield to an arrow like this:
Good new: You no longer need to hold onto your shield! It's going to stay attached to your arm. You've got a free hand!
Bad news: You can no longer hold anything in your shield hand because a massive arrow just pinned your shield to your arm AND (hopefully) the head of the arrow penetrated fully through your forearm (at least that's easier to remove than a buried head). Either way those tendons in your arms ain't working if a bigass arrow just moved on in and decided to make some space for itself!
If string was over old the wihite head man s been a red head man
Just plain crazy, love it:-)
good stuff
Your deadlift wouldn't have dropped from 400lbs to 240 that quickly. Here you you were holding it for a long time in a not quite locked out position and I'm guessing you didn't warm up like you would have for a deadlift.
Awesome broooo
Wonder if that Longbow archer Joe from Tod's workshop could shoot that!
Man got the .50 BMG bow