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For those who has little context of this, the expansion takes place in between The Package and From Earth with Love, the final chapters of Serious Sam 4.
"Is there a destination or am I supposed to just kill everything?" Clearly an objective on the screen, and a waypoint marker visible a few seconds later
16:07 It's not that Vinny, it's because instead of killing the enemies one by one you trigger more monsters for rushing the level and now there are a bunch of enemies biting your ass.
Serious Sam: Siberian Mayhem was such a fantastic experience for me. I grew up with the series, watched my dad play the first two games when i was little, so i have a lot of connection to these games. This game gave me such a massive smile on my face. It's not for everybody, if you don't enjoy the other games you won't enjoy this one, but it is just right for me. The game takes place in the final chapter of Serious Sam 4. One of Sam's allies, his superior General Howard Brand, just betrayed him and the rest of humanity and wants to hand a powerful alien artifact over to the series main antagonist Mental so he can join him and escape the impending destruction of Earth. Brand tried to take Sam prisoner as another bargaining chip, but Sam escaped and is now trying to catch up to Brand so he can kill him and prevent him from giving the artifact to Mental.
The only problem I have with this game is that it's too short. By far and away the most fun one in the series for me, and I've been playing these literally since I was a toddler.
I'd love to have Vinny play Metal Slug someday. The entire main series maybe? It's got the shoot, incredible pixel art, good music, vividly animated characters and enemies, and a giant enemy crab at some point. Sure. He'll die a lot. It's called Coin Eater for a reason. But that's okay.
50:51 VINNY!!!! THE ZOOMZOOMKID - I HATE HIM MORE NOW THAN EVER - THE RAGE AND DISGUST HE CAUSED ECHOS THROUGH MY LIFE. I mean it. I used to go ballistic over that commercial - kicked out of the house to cool down, even. There's no logic to it, It just hits the "kill" center of my brain and I red-out. Glad I'm not the only one who clenches his fists when he hears/remembers it. Edit: Fuck, gotta be careful with the libel - he's an attorney now. lel
Kinda wish people would stop asking for sequels for every standalone game. Talos felt like a cool one and done project that really didn't need revisiting. It's not like the mechanics are mind blowing and are begging to be explored more. Half of the game was juggling jammers/cubes/redirectors while getting lost in increasingly confusing mazes instead of logically working through a compelling puzzle. Personally I'm not looking forward to doing that a second time.
This game has environmental sounds, environmental destruction, impact sounds, environmental scripting, dynamic skyboxes and changing weather... Something that Serious Sam 4 did not have AT ALL. The original game felt extremely static, empty and lifeless like it was something out of 1996. This is a GIGANTIC improvement of SS4. It's still not up to modern standards, but you can at least call this finished. And the gameplay and mapping is pretty amazing too. Hard to believe this is Serious Engine, which is basically a fossil of an engine now.
32:53 Serious Sam games historically have a lot of secrets, so while you can just blaze through the levels, to find secrets you need to take your time studying the levels.
I never played any of the games in the Serious Sam franchise, but I do remember going to media play almost 20 years ago and being really drawn in by the game box. It looked amazing
I'm a fan of Serious Sam series and it looks fine! But think i'm seeing some issues besides the ones Vinny mentioned, like Sam hurts more in normal difficulty, shotgun's grenade reloads slow, and sound effects muffling both sam's lines and monsters' sight sound. But all is forgiven for having the best skeleton with akimbo AK-47s
If he streams this again he should definitely get the upgrade that lets you sprint and reload, it's vital in this one because of how often they make you fight in enclosed areas.
apparently it's Russian modders who made this and I've seen people online complain about micro stutters, so there's that, this game doesn't perform well
1:35:45 "We should nominate this game for best story at the game awards" Yes. Please! I'm all in for this. Sick of all these silly nonserious games pretending they've got a plot as deep and moving as Sam's.
Duke Nukem can't come back because he's owned by a slimy greasebag who hates him. Duke Nukem could easily come back if someone could only wrest his IP away from Gearbox, but with Gearbox apparently being under Microsoft, there's no chance of that happening.
Vinny, all games are not Doom Eternal, so please don't run around aimlessly with hordes of enemies following you, thus triggering more enemies to spawn and start following you.
To be fair, that's kind of a thing unique to serious sam. Like, literally it's the only technically impressive about the Serious engine: >100 AI controlled enemies can spawn literally out of thin air and have the game still run relatively smooth. So it's like the only game where circle strafing and running away can be a detriment. Only other similar games are Painkiller.
Isn't that how you are supposed to play Serious Sam games? Infact Doom Eternal is heavily inspired by arena horde shooters like Serious Sam and Painkiller so what you are suggesting is not the right way to play the game and will probably get you killed in a second.
If all you want is to turn your brain off and hear stupid one-liners while mowing down thousands of enemies you can't get much better than Serious Sam imo.
Just like Sam (a fellow supporter of Costco-pizza probably), spread Christmas joy. Christmas is the day of forgiving, just as Jesus intended (for his body became the bread and his blood the sauce). We forgive you Vinny even for the graviest of sins: stating that Costco pizza was only “okay”. With our gift of Costco pizza, please repent as Jesus and Santa would have wanted. You must repent, or else ‘Krampus’ may emerge on this festive yet Serious Sammy day. Remember, there are thousands of us.
Can you even imagine Duke in our current political climate? Dude used to be a parody of 80s/90s action heroes and they don't even make those kinda movies anymore.
@@pistolero9836 Ngl I kinda wouldn't mind seeing a game about Duke having to face the fact reality changed and people like him aren't the first pick for an anti-alien scenario
It would be great if he played the first serious sam at least a little, because of the BS difficulty I don't think he'll finish it but it would be great if he visits it at some point.
@@LunaBirbosa Oh they are, especially the first one, it does shit like getting you to kill a bunch of frogs in a small room, very BS skeleton enemies placement, hitscan scorpions attacking you from a distance, TSE is more nuts but you have more useful weapons and it's not so mean in general. At that time you were a child with a lot of free time, you will always remember some games that are easier than they really are.
@@CatterCattington Not everyone has that patience, especially Vinny (he literally gave up on the first level of Cruelty Squad) it's true that it's not THAT hard until a bit later in the game, maybe he will pay it a quick visit but I don't think he'll complete it.
On this day and age when everyone makes a comeback (because there's a lack of fresh ideas) I feel like Duke Nukem will be back soon, it's a matter of time
I don't think there's a Lack of Fresh ideas, I just think people don't like seeing once beloved IPs die in such a gruesome fashion as Duke. And with the revival of 90s arcady FPS games it'd bee fitting that the once chief competitor to doom come back in some fashion. Also nothing is every wholly original, it's about how you combine preexisting ideas in ways that haven't been done, or just offering something that isn't oversaturated atm. Not every reboot or sequel is good but "IP OLD! THING BAD!" is equally as stupid as blind loyalty to product.
Especially since Gearbox and 3DRealms are under the same parent company now. Voidpoint did great with Ion Fury. Hell, just release a new Duke on the upgraded Build Engine Ion Fury uses.
@@warbossgegguz679 well, I'm not saying that there's nothing new anymore, just that companies are more focused on revive IP than create new ones, money always comes first and of course they choose to play safe, but obviously there's always an exception, but you do have a point
ss4 and this one for some reason has really bad stutter issues, I know that ss3 didnt have any issues at least for me but whatever croteam did from 3 to 4 they messed something up. I lowered my resolution down to 720 and it stopped most of the stutter but really the game shouldnt stutter on a vega 56 and a 2700x
Their main game engine wizard, Alen Ladavac, left Croteam to go work for Google. It's why Serious Sam 4 is not optimized as greatly as previous Sam games.
There quite a lot of graphics options but your best bet would be changing everything in auto performance options to a lower level, for example I had GPU speed set on ultra by the game for some reason and it affected performance greatly
This but unironicaly. I even sent him an email recommending it during his Perfect Dark playthrough since NOLF is the only other game that feels like that a side from Time Splitters.
@@sydney_pepper dude, just run on low graphics, and if you still have doubts, just play the older games, they can run on Windows XP at max and still considered the best of all the franchise (The Second Encounter if i need to be specific)
Duke Nukem isn't coming back because honestly nobody likes the guy anymore and the only people even asking for another game are doing so out of nostalgia and for no other reason. HTH.
Duke was a product of his time, you can't really bring him back in today's environment unless you rewrote his character, but then it wouldn't be Duke. Sam never really had much of a personality, he just cracked jokes, which is one of the reasons they can still make Sam games. There's nothing controversial about him.
@Mialisus well you know, the sexual jokes and the overly masculine nature of his character, nothing is more controversial than a straight white guy nowadays lol
@@vrabo3026 Both Sam and Duke are intended to be comical pastiches of "Badass action heroes" and sam was directly inspired by Duke. The games are self aware of their absurdity, so saying that Duke can't come back because he's "a product of his time" for being comically exaggerated in terms of the sexual shit that was played for laughs rather than serious is in the same league as saying MK has "realistic violence" imo.
@@warbossgegguz679 being fair im sure sam catches heat too, duke could totally make a comeback because the people that criticise the characters barely play vidya, but you cant deny he's way more playboy oriented than sam, sam writing focuses on the action badass part of the trope
@@kondaresto gotta love when morons decide that straight white dudes being only 90% of main characters instead of 99% now suddenly means they're oppressed lmao
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For those who has little context of this, the expansion takes place in between The Package and From Earth with Love, the final chapters of Serious Sam 4.
"Is there a destination or am I supposed to just kill everything?"
Clearly an objective on the screen, and a waypoint marker visible a few seconds later
Everytime the suiciders show up i can just imagine all the “AAAAAA” in chat just scrolling by.
16:07 It's not that Vinny, it's because instead of killing the enemies one by one you trigger more monsters for rushing the level and now there are a bunch of enemies biting your ass.
Well... THAT and Vinny just sucks at these games.
Guys im not 100% sure but I think sam may really be starting to get serious about this.
Things are,Getting serious
Serious Sam: Siberian Mayhem was such a fantastic experience for me. I grew up with the series, watched my dad play the first two games when i was little, so i have a lot of connection to these games. This game gave me such a massive smile on my face. It's not for everybody, if you don't enjoy the other games you won't enjoy this one, but it is just right for me.
The game takes place in the final chapter of Serious Sam 4. One of Sam's allies, his superior General Howard Brand, just betrayed him and the rest of humanity and wants to hand a powerful alien artifact over to the series main antagonist Mental so he can join him and escape the impending destruction of Earth. Brand tried to take Sam prisoner as another bargaining chip, but Sam escaped and is now trying to catch up to Brand so he can kill him and prevent him from giving the artifact to Mental.
Grew up with Serious Sam as well. Even have a video about it from years ago. Glad people share the same experience
The only problem I have with this game is that it's too short. By far and away the most fun one in the series for me, and I've been playing these literally since I was a toddler.
I'm not making this up, the voice actor for Sam is named John J. Dick.
He's a cool guy. Even volunteers to do voice lines for mods sometimes.
@@warbossgegguz679 thanks bad ass
Sam's voice actor sounds like some combination of drunk, congested, and "on my deathbed"
I always found his voice to be the human incarnation of a lizard.
That's what serious people sound like
I'd love to have Vinny play Metal Slug someday. The entire main series maybe? It's got the shoot, incredible pixel art, good music, vividly animated characters and enemies, and a giant enemy crab at some point. Sure. He'll die a lot. It's called Coin Eater for a reason. But that's okay.
Sam: Serious
Mayhem: Siberian
It all checks out. Honestly, I found this little adventure more interesting than the one he played a while ago.
I wish someone would buy him Serious Sam 2.
Hotel? Trivago
50:51
VINNY!!!! THE ZOOMZOOMKID - I HATE HIM MORE NOW THAN EVER - THE RAGE AND DISGUST HE CAUSED ECHOS THROUGH MY LIFE.
I mean it.
I used to go ballistic over that commercial - kicked out of the house to cool down, even.
There's no logic to it, It just hits the "kill" center of my brain and I red-out.
Glad I'm not the only one who clenches his fists when he hears/remembers it.
Edit: Fuck, gotta be careful with the libel - he's an attorney now. lel
It'd be nice if Croteam could make a sequel to the Talos Principle. Thanks.
They confirmed they are. The story for Talos 2 is pretty much done they said
@@ADreamingTraveler hell yeah. Best news I've heard today.
Because god forbid they make something else...
Also they just finished working on Unity of Command 2 and this m8.
Kinda wish people would stop asking for sequels for every standalone game. Talos felt like a cool one and done project that really didn't need revisiting. It's not like the mechanics are mind blowing and are begging to be explored more. Half of the game was juggling jammers/cubes/redirectors while getting lost in increasingly confusing mazes instead of logically working through a compelling puzzle. Personally I'm not looking forward to doing that a second time.
@@MochaRitz Nobody is forcing you to though. The sequel is happening, and nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to play it.
This game has environmental sounds, environmental destruction, impact sounds, environmental scripting, dynamic skyboxes and changing weather...
Something that Serious Sam 4 did not have AT ALL.
The original game felt extremely static, empty and lifeless like it was something out of 1996. This is a GIGANTIC improvement of SS4. It's still not up to modern standards, but you can at least call this finished.
And the gameplay and mapping is pretty amazing too. Hard to believe this is Serious Engine, which is basically a fossil of an engine now.
Binny, why do you only schut? Play some babby gaem
Vinny, DO play more of this, I absolutely need it!
We must put an end to bone-on-bone violence.
You could say we need to Stop Skeletons From Fighting...
32:53 Serious Sam games historically have a lot of secrets, so while you can just blaze through the levels, to find secrets you need to take your time studying the levels.
I never played any of the games in the Serious Sam franchise, but I do remember going to media play almost 20 years ago and being really drawn in by the game box. It looked amazing
I’m guessing we’re not getting future play throughs of this huh?
1:33:45 I am surprised Vin didn't comment on how their textures reloaded every single time the camera angle changed. Why did it even do that?
Vinny the mouse jitter is caused by being locked @ 90 fps, set it back to unlimited and it should go away
I'm a fan of Serious Sam series and it looks fine! But think i'm seeing some issues besides the ones Vinny mentioned, like Sam hurts more in normal difficulty, shotgun's grenade reloads slow, and sound effects muffling both sam's lines and monsters' sight sound.
But all is forgiven for having the best skeleton with akimbo AK-47s
If he streams this again he should definitely get the upgrade that lets you sprint and reload, it's vital in this one because of how often they make you fight in enclosed areas.
he already did near the end of the video xd
apparently it's Russian modders who made this
and I've seen people online complain about micro stutters, so there's that, this game doesn't perform well
I'm back baby! 00:02
"Why can't duk nukum come back?"
Literally at the same time: "Come get some!"
Really been enjoying Vinny's streams recently. He's just playing what he wants, and the past couple have weeks have had a ton of great streams imo
1:09:23 holy fuck its Roman from GTA 4 (Michael Zumwalt) !
1:35:45 "We should nominate this game for best story at the game awards"
Yes. Please! I'm all in for this. Sick of all these silly nonserious games pretending they've got a plot as deep and moving as Sam's.
Serious Schut is beast gaem
Regarding performance issues: maybe put at least one of the graphics settings to High instead of Ultra?
6:08 I think after you have your character play with his own shit he's pretty much done.
So this is where that infant screaming came from when Joel plays that sound. Now i am thinking it's a Joel bit when earing it in the video. DAMN IT!
damn you didn't know about them kamikazes?
@@sydney_pepper Nope
I didn't know about it either!
Would be rad to see you play through the first Serious Sam games, The First Encounter and The Second Encounter
Duke Nukem can't come back because he's owned by a slimy greasebag who hates him.
Duke Nukem could easily come back if someone could only wrest his IP away from Gearbox, but with Gearbox apparently being under Microsoft, there's no chance of that happening.
I actually replay Uncharted games in winters because the locations are so beautiful and warm looking.
well, that was unexpected
would like to see ultrakill again some day
Vinny, all games are not Doom Eternal, so please don't run around aimlessly with hordes of enemies following you, thus triggering more enemies to spawn and start following you.
To be fair, that's kind of a thing unique to serious sam. Like, literally it's the only technically impressive about the Serious engine: >100 AI controlled enemies can spawn literally out of thin air and have the game still run relatively smooth. So it's like the only game where circle strafing and running away can be a detriment. Only other similar games are Painkiller.
I really hope he keeps doing it, the option to play it yourself is always there
Isn't that how you are supposed to play Serious Sam games? Infact Doom Eternal is heavily inspired by arena horde shooters like Serious Sam and Painkiller so what you are suggesting is not the right way to play the game and will probably get you killed in a second.
Might end up rewatching Vinny's Doom Eternal stream series after watching this. I'm in the mood for diabolical smooth done right.
ive never played serious sam, and frankly, this is the first time im watching gameplay of it, but damn, this looks super fun?????
If all you want is to turn your brain off and hear stupid one-liners while mowing down thousands of enemies you can't get much better than Serious Sam imo.
play The Second Encounter its the best Serious Sam imo
@@TheRealKeyvan I think i'd like that. Ima have to try it out!
@@goldchris1111 yes this
Serious sam 2 was crazy too and more varied, Idk why people didn't like it. It should be super cheap but idk if you can run it easily.
Thank you Vinny and Sam, for saving our Siberian babushkas from alien invasion. Appreciated.
Vin should try the first Painkiller game.
We all know why this wasn't streamed live, and it's because of all the scream emotes
does anyone know a way to mute a single chat member with the chatreplay thing?
Has anyone else noticed that Vinny stopped playing with inverted mouse look?
Just like Sam (a fellow supporter of Costco-pizza probably), spread Christmas joy. Christmas is the day of forgiving, just as Jesus intended (for his body became the bread and his blood the sauce). We forgive you Vinny even for the graviest of sins: stating that Costco pizza was only “okay”. With our gift of Costco pizza, please repent as Jesus and Santa would have wanted. You must repent, or else ‘Krampus’ may emerge on this festive yet Serious Sammy day. Remember, there are thousands of us.
Has Vinny played The First and The Second Encounters of Serious Sam?
5:53 ?
Duke was quickly put in bulletstorm if i recall
Spooky scary skeleton 1:18:00
binny, serious difficulty is ridiculous. I think this is the hardest one in the series.
Vinny: "Why can't Duke come back?"
Me: "Because Duke Nukem Forever happened..."
Can you even imagine Duke in our current political climate?
Dude used to be a parody of 80s/90s action heroes and they don't even make those kinda movies anymore.
because randy pitchford is a scumbad too.
@@pistolero9836 Ngl I kinda wouldn't mind seeing a game about Duke having to face the fact reality changed and people like him aren't the first pick for an anti-alien scenario
1:07:02 Vinny fights the Amogus
Metal Kalinka is badass
Meatless Mike, everyone's favourite ja-bone-i.
This looks fun.
Try playing Serious Sam 2 while drunk. Trust me, it's the best experience
It would be great if he played the first serious sam at least a little, because of the BS difficulty I don't think he'll finish it but it would be great if he visits it at some point.
I bet tfe and tse when I was 8 it's not that hard of a game
@@LunaBirbosa Oh they are, especially the first one, it does shit like getting you to kill a bunch of frogs in a small room, very BS skeleton enemies placement, hitscan scorpions attacking you from a distance, TSE is more nuts but you have more useful weapons and it's not so mean in general. At that time you were a child with a lot of free time, you will always remember some games that are easier than they really are.
@@LunaBirbosa were you playing on Serious though? My grandma could beat Serious Sam on easiest difficulty
@@CatterCattington just becouse you understand the games or you are good at them, it dosnt mean that the games are not hard.
@@CatterCattington Not everyone has that patience, especially Vinny (he literally gave up on the first level of Cruelty Squad) it's true that it's not THAT hard until a bit later in the game, maybe he will pay it a quick visit but I don't think he'll complete it.
On this day and age when everyone makes a comeback (because there's a lack of fresh ideas) I feel like Duke Nukem will be back soon, it's a matter of time
I don't think there's a Lack of Fresh ideas, I just think people don't like seeing once beloved IPs die in such a gruesome fashion as Duke. And with the revival of 90s arcady FPS games it'd bee fitting that the once chief competitor to doom come back in some fashion. Also nothing is every wholly original, it's about how you combine preexisting ideas in ways that haven't been done, or just offering something that isn't oversaturated atm.
Not every reboot or sequel is good but "IP OLD! THING BAD!" is equally as stupid as blind loyalty to product.
Especially since Gearbox and 3DRealms are under the same parent company now. Voidpoint did great with Ion Fury. Hell, just release a new Duke on the upgraded Build Engine Ion Fury uses.
@@warbossgegguz679 well, I'm not saying that there's nothing new anymore, just that companies are more focused on revive IP than create new ones, money always comes first and of course they choose to play safe, but obviously there's always an exception, but you do have a point
@Code Turtle I had no idea, thanks, it's an interesting bit of information
How come Vdub didnt play this?
You could do a full playthrough, you've got this half of the level and 2 more levels remaining
Also, the game got an optimization patch yesterday
HE PLAY SHÜT!
Yay! More SCHUT GAEM!
The performance issues are probably from whatever sorcery they performed on the engine to make it able to handle so many enemies at once
Duke nukem got cancelled on twitter because he was in duke nukem forever
Meatless and gormless.
I agree tropical and lava only
55:09 yaah yaah false harmonics yaah!
Why so serious, Sam?
ss4 and this one for some reason has really bad stutter issues, I know that ss3 didnt have any issues at least for me but whatever croteam did from 3 to 4 they messed something up. I lowered my resolution down to 720 and it stopped most of the stutter but really the game shouldnt stutter on a vega 56 and a 2700x
Their main game engine wizard, Alen Ladavac, left Croteam to go work for Google. It's why Serious Sam 4 is not optimized as greatly as previous Sam games.
Aside from the pizza review video, as a vinesauce fan it's been a rough few weeks Murray.
That's just like, your opinion man.
OOOOOO O O O OOOOOOO OOOOOO 🐒
When the fan made mod is much more fun then the original game
I mean it's not a fan made mod
its not a fan made mode its a expansion.
It is a fan made expansion. An official expansion made by the community.
@@BassBanj0 Fan made but published officially by Croteam. Like Final doom.
As opposed to Joking John or Funny Frank
There quite a lot of graphics options but your best bet would be changing everything in auto performance options to a lower level, for example I had GPU speed set on ultra by the game for some reason and it affected performance greatly
In Soviet Russia, Sam seriouss'es you!
Olya is my waifu
Way to damn early today
RIP Kenny from SS4
PleaSe SpintY, pLeAse pLaY No OnE LiVes ForeVer, PurReeSe! (Apropos snow scooter sections and crossbows in video games).
This but unironicaly. I even sent him an email recommending it during his Perfect Dark playthrough since NOLF is the only other game that feels like that a side from Time Splitters.
parody of Doom
binyot y u shuut y u no play babby gaemsssssssssssss
God that skeleton skin is a turn off
do skeleton skins normally turn you on (sexually)? asking for a friend haha
I couldn't help but notice your mic was peaking :(
But other than that, schüt.
I so wish they removed the reloading thing with the assault rifle but I guess not
Who here is in the "this uploaded shortly after I finished watching GmanLives video on it" club?
you are
welp, i guess i'll hold off from playing this potentially forever because of these performance issues :/ i wish i could enjoy this franchise rn
I mean, he's also playing on MAX EVERYTHING so...
i dunno, my specs aren't particularly high so i have some doubts about being able to run this
@@sydney_pepper dude, just run on low graphics, and if you still have doubts, just play the older games, they can run on Windows XP at max and still considered the best of all the franchise (The Second Encounter if i need to be specific)
Only ever played the original Serious Sam. This looks weird in comparison.
TFE AMD TSE are the only ones that matter
binny only shüt
He’s kinda got Xavier Renegade Angel vibes... but less funny
Is it weird that I get annoyed in behave of Vinny by the enemies.
Duke Nukem isn't coming back because honestly nobody likes the guy anymore and the only people even asking for another game are doing so out of nostalgia and for no other reason. HTH.
Duke was a product of his time, you can't really bring him back in today's environment unless you rewrote his character, but then it wouldn't be Duke.
Sam never really had much of a personality, he just cracked jokes, which is one of the reasons they can still make Sam games. There's nothing controversial about him.
@Mialisus well you know, the sexual jokes and the overly masculine nature of his character, nothing is more controversial than a straight white guy nowadays lol
@@vrabo3026 Both Sam and Duke are intended to be comical pastiches of "Badass action heroes" and sam was directly inspired by Duke. The games are self aware of their absurdity, so saying that Duke can't come back because he's "a product of his time" for being comically exaggerated in terms of the sexual shit that was played for laughs rather than serious is in the same league as saying MK has "realistic violence" imo.
@@warbossgegguz679 being fair im sure sam catches heat too, duke could totally make a comeback because the people that criticise the characters barely play vidya, but you cant deny he's way more playboy oriented than sam, sam writing focuses on the action badass part of the trope
@@kondaresto gotta love when morons decide that straight white dudes being only 90% of main characters instead of 99% now suddenly means they're oppressed lmao