Thank you for responding. (It was me that asked the question.) I've long found it fascinating, and strange, how many of the great 20th century authors were Austrian: roth; musil; broch; bachmann; doderer; bernhard; handke; jelinek. It seems to me that if you did 'top 10's' for Austrian and German 20th century writers, that Austria might win, which seems bizarre, given the population ratio. (Perhaps a similar case can be argued for Ireland vs England.) Another thing that got me interested in the Austria-Germany distinction, was Bernhard's (narrator's) harsh, funny take on Thomas Mann, in 'Auslösing'. 'The patrician Thomas Mann produced thoroughly lower-middle-class works, I told Gambetti, addressed to lower-middle-class readers who fall upon them with gusto. For at least a hundred years we’ve had nothing but what I would call binder literature, lower-middle-class bureaucratic writing, and the masters of this literature are Musil and Thomas Mann, to say nothing of the others. The one exception is of course Kafka, who actually was a bureaucrat, though he didn’t write bureaucratic works, but none of the others could write anything else. ' Austrian authors, particularly Bernhard and Handke, have had a marked influence on norwegian authors since the 1980's. Particularly through the translations of Sverre Dahl, whom has translated nearly all of Bernhard's work, roughly 15-20 titles. Limeworks (1970) and Correction (1975), are as far as I can tell, the only books that haven't been translated. All of Bachmann has been translated. And most of Handke.
This is such a wonderful comment! The Bernhard quote is just so "Bernhardian" - I have so many thoughts! And it is true that there seems to be a preponderous particularly of great19th century novelists who are Austrian. When it comes to German, of course Goethe overshadows all, but after that in terms of novels I mainly think of Fontane. There is Kleist, whom I love, but his works were shorter. I suppose Michael Kohlhaas is a novella. (It's wonderful). I suppose my dissertation topic person: Novalis wrote Heinrich von Ofterdingen. More people are popping into my head: ETA Hoffmann, Eichendorff, Raabe, Freytag,and so forth into the 20th century. I apologize for responding in Danish, if you are Norwegian!
@@thegrimmreader3649 I want you to tell me which books are good for beginners, intermediates, those who love certain those who like this authors, modern books, postmodern books, etc.
@@JoeMama-rf6nm Bertold Brecht has some shorter fictional works that are good for intermediate readers. This is a great short story by Rilke: www.projekt-gutenberg.org/rilke/erzaehlg/chap052.html that I have taught to intermediate students. Kafka is good too. A very good collection of simply wonderful short stories that also has vocabulary prompts is "Im Spiegel der Literatur" edited by Brigitte Turneare.
Thank you for responding. (It was me that asked the question.)
I've long found it fascinating, and strange, how many of the great 20th century authors were Austrian: roth; musil; broch; bachmann; doderer; bernhard; handke; jelinek.
It seems to me that if you did 'top 10's' for Austrian and German 20th century writers, that Austria might win, which seems bizarre, given the population ratio.
(Perhaps a similar case can be argued for Ireland vs England.)
Another thing that got me interested in the Austria-Germany distinction, was Bernhard's (narrator's) harsh, funny take on Thomas Mann, in 'Auslösing'.
'The patrician Thomas Mann produced thoroughly lower-middle-class works, I told Gambetti, addressed to lower-middle-class readers who fall upon them with gusto. For at least a hundred years we’ve had nothing but what I would call binder literature, lower-middle-class bureaucratic writing, and the masters of this literature are Musil and Thomas Mann, to say nothing of the others. The one exception is of course Kafka, who actually was a bureaucrat, though he didn’t write bureaucratic works, but none of the others could write anything else. '
Austrian authors, particularly Bernhard and Handke, have had a marked influence on norwegian authors since the 1980's. Particularly through the translations of Sverre Dahl, whom has translated nearly all of Bernhard's work, roughly 15-20 titles. Limeworks (1970) and Correction (1975), are as far as I can tell, the only books that haven't been translated.
All of Bachmann has been translated. And most of Handke.
This is such a wonderful comment! The Bernhard quote is just so "Bernhardian" - I have so many thoughts! And it is true that there seems to be a preponderous particularly of great19th century novelists who are Austrian. When it comes to German, of course Goethe overshadows all, but after that in terms of novels I mainly think of Fontane. There is Kleist, whom I love, but his works were shorter. I suppose Michael Kohlhaas is a novella. (It's wonderful). I suppose my dissertation topic person: Novalis wrote Heinrich von Ofterdingen. More people are popping into my head: ETA Hoffmann, Eichendorff, Raabe, Freytag,and so forth into the 20th century. I apologize for responding in Danish, if you are Norwegian!
This was very interesting, thank you 😊
Im fond of German writeres like Broch and Dublin. Unfortunately i have not found them in my country.
Where are you located redouane? Döblin’s Berlin Alexanderplatz is fairly well known even in English speaking parts of the world.
@@thegrimmreader3649 Casablanca, Morocco.
@@redouane-is9qk do you read in German or English? Perhaps I could send you something? Thanks for watching!
@@thegrimmreader3649 i read in English though i love German writers like Boll/Mann/Hesse/Brecht.
Hey @The Grimm Reader can you give us some recommendations for those who are starting their adventure into German language literature?
Sure!
Do you mean German language recommendations or in translation?
@@thegrimmreader3649 I want you to tell me which books are good for beginners, intermediates, those who love certain those who like this authors, modern books, postmodern books, etc.
@@JoeMama-rf6nm Bertold Brecht has some shorter fictional works that are good for intermediate readers. This is a great short story by Rilke: www.projekt-gutenberg.org/rilke/erzaehlg/chap052.html that I have taught to intermediate students. Kafka is good too. A very good collection of simply wonderful short stories that also has vocabulary prompts is "Im Spiegel der Literatur" edited by Brigitte Turneare.