Let's be real. Dancehall started going downhill when guys like Notnice, Di Genius and Russian started doing the hiphop riddim thing. Trap dancehall is just the next evolution of that.
not entirely true riddim like street vibes etc was different but still had dancehall elements to it, this trap crap is just bs he is right it is not working. hence afro beat takes over the dancehall.
@@phillpowell7793 Dancehall overall isnt all that. Its a niche genre. Jamaicans just full of themselves. If rock and roll can fall off, why cant dancehall? If nobody nuh like it, it doesn't mean its bad. We get wi time already.
music a music and none of the aforementioned genres were standalone they are all evolutions of other genres ppl just hate change but it is inevitable the music will continue to evolve.
Remember hip hop is an evolution of dancehall. Reggaeton is an evolution of reggae, so it isn’t the evolution that’s the issue necessarily- it’s the space the evolution now occupies. I personally don’t like this space, but I’m sure these young creatives will continue to evolve & find themselves in a more dynamic space. 🤞🏾
Damcehall is all about fun, dancing and a full joyment that touches the heart and yanks at the nerve signals that causes you to want to explode, Even when you hear songs of death and destruction, you still felt happy and exhilarated listening to it. Dancehall has been that way from it's inception, full of vibes, life and hope. To the point where we brought it into the church especially for funerals to celebrate the life of the deceased rather than mourning there loss. Trap music is the sound of a lost soul trying to work out whether they should end it all (life that is). This music form seems to attract people who did not have a socially enriched life, having dropped out of school at a very tender age (rather than at college stage) and then got holed up in a prison-like environment, most times playing games and/or glued to the phone, rather than engaging with real people in real life situations. such as inviting a girl over to play doll house etc. It is laced with feelings of suicide, death and destruction and thats just based on the American and UK songs I have heard. Unfortunately our yutes have also bought into it, when they jumped on those riddims, no sunshine, beach, beautiful ladies in bikinis, batty riders etc. Their fast and flashy rides won't be filled with hot girls and banging music. Just bare dumbass with guns and drugs hell bent on creating worlds end. This is why the old school music like Pliers 'sunshine day' and the army of classic dancehall songs still rule our hearts, mind and soul. When the Pliers song pull up you then gets the likes, of Shabba, Papa San, Tiger, Prof Nuts and Trees attacking the riddims in true dancehall style and fashion. then the nineties kings and queens and the millenium generals took over our listening hears and dancing feets, dance cork and liquor sell off . You don't have to ask who will be the victor in this battle of dancehall vs trap music, not even the dead don't need reminders in terms of hearing anymore trap music. Don't buy into the confusion, there is no such thing as Trap dancehall, it is just jamaicans coming thru with their version of trap music, as the mighty Shabba Ranks said "DANCEHALL STANDS ALONE".......It's just dancing..... if you nah move, then you're trapped in a box, probably dead. More life and love we a deal with Reggae & Dancehall R&D str8888, where women are the centre and fence around everything we enjoy about life.
the artists are talented but the the music has no wings can’t leave the Caribbean sea ,, the dancehall we know is now basically upgraded afrobeat , charly blacks , kartel and spice are among the few that last did a dancehall song and they all hit international charts …. We gave dancehall to Reggaeton and Afrobeat and now pay the price
Yuh notice how afro beat and reggaeton sounds . modern and sweet Dem build it off dancehall so how yuh expected dancehall fi sounds like The 90s dry The snake loops modernize so dancehall sounds better, When producer create authentic dancehall fan's and consumer don't gravitate to it people just like chat am a sing j , check out N-HAANNCE. Instant, just like drake dancehall album das how dancehall must sounds now evolve sounds better wi in digital era the hardcore.drum pattern.make it dancehall
Thank you so much for this interview with NotNice! I agree with his perspective on dancehall and trap and made me think of what people outside of Jamaica define as dancehall- as a reggae and dancehall lover of 30 years plus, I know a dancehall song when I hear it. There’s so much to say I’ve been inspired to cover this topic on my next vlog. there is no threat to true Dancehall, so no worries inna di dancehall!! 🔥🇯🇲💯❤️🔥…. Give thanks NotNice for all the mad chunes with Vybz Kartel and personally me like Jah Vinci from the days of Gaza, one of my favorite riddims is still Yung riddim and gangsta city riddim…but I’ll hear his new songs just not into the romantic style… I do want to give it a chance though. someone showed me a couple years ago a song and told me that it wasn’t a dancehall song but it had a part that sounded like Vybz Kartel - it was partynextdoor but I saw it had NotNice and I thought it should be good… then I heard the sample of Vybz and loved it! a good example of a hybrid song well done. I probably wouldn’t have even listened to it if it didn’t have your name and the Kartel sample… so much love NotNice, thank you for your music 🙌🏽 🔥 give thanks Winford for the great interview, as always 💯
Trap Dancehall is very short term. Excellent observation by the producer. Dancehall need back the juggling amongst the new crop. The original theme of man and man competing on the same riddim is missing and that is a major factor in our music.
Dancehall gone when Notnice ,DiGenius start fi make RnB/Trap like beats em.The yuts em love the rap typa beats and singing style. Nothing wrong bout dat. Me is a 90s born so mi agwan listen to mi Degree -Capleton and Sizzla dem. Truth be told though -real dancehall was and is always the best- authentic; raw ;hard-core and original. Blessings from Zimbabwe
The producer dem a mashup dancehall dem think it hard to work with some hidden talent but as the same talent go viral dem find dem and den dem same one a fight trap , the real talent dem get bench
Yow SASHI was bigger than STING 🐝 this show was the most epic event this show keep at James Bond beach 🏖 in oracabessa right infront my house we need another show like this
I use to wish that I could go to Sashi when I was like 12 and was seeing the highlights on TV. Snoop Dogg even had a Sashi billboard in his living room on MTV cribs.
I remember after the show in the morning when I went down by the beach money was all over on the ground bottles of liquor and everything that’s one of the richest party to ever keep in Jamaica and right nome people in Ocho Rios and st Mary still asking about that show even last month when I went to Jamaica
Dancehall doesn’t have a feel good vibe to it anymore. The music is too riddled with violence and profanity. Which, won’t go anywhere. Some of the songs out there are really good, but it will never get much AirPlay because of the amount of profanity in it. You can’t play it any and everywhere because of the amount of bad words in it. And these artiste won’t even make a clean version of the song. If you look at Afrobeats or even Reggaeton, most of their songs are clean and feel good type of music that you can dance to, hold a vibe, and even play anywhere. But Dancehall these days is not that. Clean up the music and you’ll see how far Dancehall will get.
It’s not just about the profanity...I mean the guys can clean it up a bit yes but it’s the beats that give you that feel good vibes and the melody...you are right though about Afro music it has that feel good vibe.
I would say the bad words aren’t only the problems as American rap songs from Chris brown drake to da baby Megan the stallion is made of dirty words. But the music videos with to much adult scenes like naked woman who twerk for males. If the music videos would have less adult erotic scenes. Would be better
Like your reply , I am a jamaican and is now trying to combine reggae and afro beat to come up with something new , listen out for a new artist called AmaicaJ . Title of track. "Murdera"
@@bad7648 it’s a mixture of a lot of different problems that are holding back Dancehall music, but by starting with cleaning up the music and making more music on original Dancehall beats should get us right back on track.
Koffee and Chronixx is the only two artist I heard as new generation playing on Capital Xtra and BBC 1xtra in England. The Reggae section on BBC 1xtra still old school only Roman Virgo, Protoji, Lila, Sassco and Busy Signal me heard played.
yes producer is only talking that but yet the dancehall is not changing when last you hear a real hardcore dancehall beat I always say that producer can keep dancehall alive if they can mix it with the authentic dancehall riddim but I hope that after this reasoning with notnice I will hear some good dancehall riddim in 2022 90s style trying to bring back the root of dancehall young artists try it and you will see how far it goes
Pple seem to forget that music is personal and it connects to generations. Trap dancehall in the next ten years will be retro for the teens now and the cycle continues. ...
Trap is shit. I missed the real dancehall with Kartel, aidonia, Mavado, busy, konshens, Demarco, khago, meciless, Beenie, bounty, Gaza empire. That era was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Notnice let be real ur a great producer but u see a uno start this and the separation in dancehall music and i Knw a lot of talented artists link u b4 no more gate holder nuh in the game like one time this fi show u how artiste is very important on a beat artiste brings the life to the instruments eg any riddim vybz kartel on it shot i think u underage the young talent and if they see a opportunity to least a riddim and ppl gravitating towards what they are doing even if the trap off key because honestly most of dem off key and from dem a get forword dem nah go use you when last u billl a riddim with some hot artiste on a jugglings ? Everyone is all about the money if you don’t have 200g r 300g as a young talented artist you cyah go on one of notnice instrument so you contribute a lot to this trap thing so all u of fi do a get bk in the game because mi always look up to u differently as a youth u always have a different sound so just do the right notnice
Have to wrote a second comment jah know notnice u state some real facts am a upcoming artist n producer I make all my beats n mix n master all my songs myself cos I don't have the money to pay for all of tht n this interview teach me so much so respect for bringing some things to the light n say some things n do ear a lot of other producer say. Much blessings bro
Dancehall has always been big,probably more than any other genre in Kenya since the days of Shabba..Until the trap dancehall came along.Nobody's listening
Jamaicans need to 🛑 being obsessed with the American market. Both the artists and the media are 2 obsessed with the American market. The truth be told, America has never supported the dancehall, occasionally there maybe a break out song but the most support comes from the WI diaspora and right now the diaspora is not feeling this Trap crop. Just to add, Jamaicans luv to follow too much, all of a sudden every body feels like they have to be drinking Hennessy, what happened to the good old W&N. We as a people have lost our identity. We have been heading this direction for a while.
Exactly,the generation that is overseas is older,so they will cling to what they like when they were young.thats all it is,it's a generational thing.i haven't heard anyone saying this up to now.smh.
@@skemolehgen7543 you talking nonsense! The old generations sticking to the old music Because it's the best! When they used to listen 80s , untill the 90s and early2000s top the 80s and now people stuck at these two era,if the music now was greater than 90seyc then people would be listening to it now, it's not a generation thing,it's a trap music is crap thing
@@skemolehgen7543 that’s the science of music everyone is leaving out bro . Music is like food . What my grandmother likes is not wats my daughter likes does that mean the my daughters food a trash ?? . Winford said dem use to fight dancehall from dem times. 80 , 90 and 2000 . The music did it’s time and got solidified. I really think it’s 2 early to beat up the Yute’s.
Like some of us would know or remember, Reggae music and danceable got the same or even worst negative lashing in infancy. We never accept the earlyday off a lot of things. But we need to learn and carry on LEADING...Give the youth them time and injec the right elements, like bass line and marketable lyrics and see what happens. 3 years is still baby stage an it a gwann okay. There's space for many genre an the youth them nufff. It's just that we're a tiny population... if we were 100mill population we wouldn't need int success to be successful. Wah nuh dead don't bury...🔥💫
I wouldnt be surprised if kartel come out of jail and continue where he left!!it was a good platform for other artist to break through internationally but they are happy singing gun songs which doesnt go anywhere but only played in jamaica artist should be wise jamaica is only 3mill people the world has billions do your home work
Bugle, konshens erupt, busy signal, mavado, serani, vybz kartel, demarco, those days dancehall was nice ina Switzerland 🇨🇭 👍.but now a days 😀 the people don't feel the music like that, somehow boring.
I have no problem with Trap-Dancehall existing but it shouldn’t be at the forefront of the Dancehall space. Merging genres of music is nothing new but this should be kept at a minimum because it can drown out the original sound of a genre. E.g. Dancehall. Hiphop, Afrobeats etc merges with other genres of music but they never let it override (pause 😂) the authentic sound of their own. And they keep the mixing with other genres to a minimum.
Vybz Kartel destroyed Dancehall Music! Before you guys jump defend the “Worl Boss” let me explain why: Firstly, Vybz has ushered in an era of extremely dirty music. Filled with profanity, very sexual and violent messages. Dancehall to some extent had similar songs with same kind of content in the past, but not to this extent. Eventually, these types of songs became and staple for local consumers of Dancehall. This in turns , made a lot of upcoming artiste thinking that this was the way to go to always sing about kil/ing, guns, sex, because they see it work for Kartel, they think it will work for them, not knowing this is the start of slow death of Dancehall music. Secondly, The volume of song that Kartel produced. Let me say this that nothing is wrong with producing a lot of song, but it’s how you produce them. Vybz Kartel has always been known for producing a lot of songs. Sometimes releasing multiple songs in a given day that was even recorded the very same day. Some of these song eventually became local hits, but most of them were rather basic from an overall musical standpoint, in terms of the quality of the recording. The song wouldn’t be mixed or mastered properly and you can just tell that there was no quality control involved, but due to the fact Vybz Kartel has a name and a large following, people would rave about it. Aspiring artiste will see this and think that they also needed to do the same and put out 2 songs a day instead of taking their time and making a quality record that will last for ages. Most of the song Vybz Kartel made are quick songs that are here today and gone tomorrow. For the volume of songs he put out, only a handful of them really stand out. Vybz Kartel took Dancehall music from being internationally acclaimed to garrison music. And that’s what most young artiste are singing today. Songs that won’t even reach Norman Manly airport much less to board a flight. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it ✋🏽🎤
I agree with some of the points made here. Vybz Kartel is my favourite but his reign was good and bad in some ways for the business. His brand image and the use of certain sounds in his music helped in the decline of Dancehall.
You miss the point of the interview. The point is what they are calling dancehall today is not dancehall because of the sound mainly the beats being used not so much the content. Most of the songs kartel made were dancehall music,keep the man dem rocking and the women whining,very much dancehall. The argument of making cleaner music is a different argument onto itself
U hv a point but vybez has been one of the only artist in the last 2 decades to hv all these diverse songs he did teenage pregnancy, clarks, coloring book, emergency . Gwan ah school so much other songs that has nothing to do with sex and violence
There's been a concentrated effort since the 80's to remove the soul from black music because our power is in our music and certain beings want to sync our sounds into their lower dimensions from where they can trap, control and feed off of us, they have all kinds of artificial technology and equipment for this, then they use money and fame to lure a constant stream of young artists and producers into their world to saturate the industry with negative sounds and images and drown out our positive natural sounds that can unite and uplift the ppl and the cycle continues each generation
@Onstage TV Di Genius was the first producer I see make these style of beats before the label "trap dance hall" was attached to the genre and everybody did a run with it. During this time MTV and BET was in our faces every day and the radio stations played as much hip hop as they play dancehall music. The new generation of producers during this time strayed away from the original template of dancehall music "90s Style" and hip hop influenced our music as much as we influenced theirs. It's just the evolution of music. The artists just need fi find hit songs that can cross over. Koffee doing very well and she on trap beats. But she don't limit her songs to just one style of beats thats just it 🤷♂🤷♂
What they need to do is to do back 90s and 2000s dancehall music type,koffe is seeing as a reggae singer not dancehall ,that's why she doing well but she not touching the heights of Beenie man,Sean Paul ,shabba etc
Totally disagree with these guys discriminating music, music is life and life is something that goes on regardless one has to be extinct for another to evolve, sad to say but music will do its thing as times change just as it's been doing from the beginning of time. Jamaican didn't started doing music first music changes everywhere the blueprint of reggae/Dancehall will always be there as a templates for who wants to do that type of music but also like building house you'll add different part to it like a guess room or a walk in closet, you will have different part and additional sides to music reggae was stolen, dancehall was stolen, hip hop was stolen, even Ska was stolen so all these music have one factor so just look at trap Dancehall as another stolen genre or "johnra" as humbre call it.
@@datsmusicja Bro I think you're very confused about what Trap music is. If you're talking about The Party Time Riddim that Kartel did Wine For Me on, that's not trap bro.
lol the Boxing Match...one minute the Dread is on his back on the ground receiving treatment for being knocked out and in the next clip he's up and smiling as if nothing had happened..."Comedy Gold" haha
Best name for it should be *"CARIBBEAN TRAP"* or *"ISLAND TRAP"* or something of the sort. Music evolve and if the youngins are inspired by another international sound/genre to create something new, weather or not it is accepted internationally, I don't think dancehall players/lovers should shun it or speak ill of it. Why not work along with it and find creative ways to mix it with authentic dancehall sound.
When reggae was the thing and dancehall was upcoming many people look down on hardcore dancehall artists and it take decades for dancehall to become mainstream now the same thing happening to trap ..trap will have it time .. dancehall isn't even the same like when yellow man and general trees was doing it ..beenie and bounty was an evolve version of dancehall anyway ..let music grow
Not the same in my opinion. At least Dancehall was authentic made from elements out our own original genres and from our African roots. Trap-Dancehall is biting a next man style (Modern American Hiphop) which has a very low vibration and doesn’t represent Jamaicans at all. We are trendsetters. Not followers. If Trap music was never made before maybe I might agree with you but it is not ours.
Winford, please do some research into the hertz of this trap crap music in comparison to the hertz of dancehall. The lower vibrational energy of trap doesn't lift spirits because of the lower wave length (hertz).
Solid solid point bro....even trap hip hop music doesn’t lift spirits at all...it’s for drugged up and zombie people...just lame...been thinking about this but couldn’t express it like yuh
i think what really happening is that artist is making their own money now and getting more play and streaming with there own control ,and producer not making any money or able to rob the artists or shelf these artiest anymore ,its a game changer and the older producer have to be blame for it .these kids are not dunce like the older artists .hard to trick them .
@onstage what Notnice is saying about the state of dancehall is 100% truth, same thing happens to Ghanaian hiplife when new crop of artists started emerging and created new riddims and genres. For some years now we don't have our sweet hiplife anymore.
Even in the Afrobeats industry there are artists who make Afro-Trap music and they have a buzz in various pockets on the continent and in other areas around the world but they don’t let that sub-genre drown out their main sound.
last hot dancehall riddims release in the 2005 - 2015 from (di genius, zj chrome, romeich etc) and these were different to nowadays riddim. the thing about trap is that the producers not recognizing that trap in each country inna west africa, UK, US, australia. have a recognizable niche. like south of US trap has alot of organ instruments like US gospel, the west coast still using their original beats as the underlay to their tracks, notnice right dem just a copy and paste weh foreign have already dem nuh want hear that. even within hip hop ppl a get tired addi drill like brooklyn drill and are returning to their hip hop roots they haven't got rid of the trap/drill but they are now melding it instead of it being the main ingredient from my common man viewpoint
NOT NICE : ur so rite some time pull up change the vibes so the party ..that is true 👍 up on that bro ..ur a genus ur really studying the music ..next thing too much badness in music now bro …we don’t need that at this time in our country …big up ur self not nice 👍 ✊🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 we listen and looking ✅✅✅⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🇲🇱🇲🇱🇲🇱🇲🇱
exactly the same thing I was saying at work all a dem nowadays artist kill dem dem think seh hot but pity dem only hot a Jamaica but nobody knows dem a farrin basically fi dem music naw leave Norman manly
Well alot if these young blood don't know Sashi ( L.O.Y )..even Bogle did sign contract with them..suh if Sashi wah fi mek back him name him affi get american talent like lil baby..cardi b...da baby..lil durk..etc..he got to work with the artist ppl in Jamaica formular with..although his shows are international n he's more concerned about the foreigners!..so let see what he can pull off..because this yah covid ain't going nowhere for now!
The music has to transform. The youth dem nah try mek wah mek already dem a try set them own pace... dem a talk about world this and world that... dem don’t love Jamaica a farrin dem a try impress
And there’s a reason why koffee is known internationally and she won a Grammy. Notnice even stated there are going to be changes but u have “GOOD” and “BAD” Changes, and trap dancehall sound nice y’all, yes, but it ultimately nah pass airport😂 better yet, deven inside the airport u hearing this rubbish😂😂
Notnice dont too ovas, him ave him points but afro and reggaeton is fuse with reggae and danceall. Afro beats close to reggea and dancehall more than trapdancehall beat wise and lyric wise.
Have to admit that Winford has a real love and respect for the music. Thanks for making Onstage available to us abroad.
Facts
Big up Onstage 🇯🇲🇹🇹
Let's be real. Dancehall started going downhill when guys like Notnice, Di Genius and Russian started doing the hiphop riddim thing. Trap dancehall is just the next evolution of that.
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not entirely true riddim like street vibes etc was different but still had dancehall elements to it, this trap crap is just bs he is right it is not working. hence afro beat takes over the dancehall.
Genius had some great authentic dancehall but Yh not the rest
@@phillpowell7793 Dancehall overall isnt all that. Its a niche genre. Jamaicans just full of themselves. If rock and roll can fall off, why cant dancehall? If nobody nuh like it, it doesn't mean its bad. We get wi time already.
We need back 90s style dancehall music that's all I have to say. Trap a trap , dancehall a dancehall, reggae a reggae please don't mix them.
music a music and none of the aforementioned genres were standalone they are all evolutions of other genres ppl just hate change but it is inevitable the music will continue to evolve.
Remember hip hop is an evolution of dancehall. Reggaeton is an evolution of reggae, so it isn’t the evolution that’s the issue necessarily- it’s the space the evolution now occupies. I personally don’t like this space, but I’m sure these young creatives will continue to evolve & find themselves in a more dynamic space. 🤞🏾
Notnice is a genius when he does his analysis
Damcehall is all about fun, dancing and a full joyment that touches the heart and yanks at the nerve signals that causes you to want to explode, Even when you hear songs of death and destruction, you still felt happy and exhilarated listening to it. Dancehall has been that way from it's inception, full of vibes, life and hope. To the point where we brought it into the church especially for funerals to celebrate the life of the deceased rather than mourning there loss.
Trap music is the sound of a lost soul trying to work out whether they should end it all (life that is). This music form seems to attract people who did not have a socially enriched life, having dropped out of school at a very tender age (rather than at college stage) and then got holed up in a prison-like environment, most times playing games and/or glued to the phone, rather than engaging with real people in real life situations. such as inviting a girl over to play doll house etc. It is laced with feelings of suicide, death and destruction and thats just based on the American and UK songs I have heard.
Unfortunately our yutes have also bought into it, when they jumped on those riddims, no sunshine, beach, beautiful ladies in bikinis, batty riders etc. Their fast and flashy rides won't be filled with hot girls and banging music. Just bare dumbass with guns and drugs hell bent on creating worlds end.
This is why the old school music like Pliers 'sunshine day' and the army of classic dancehall songs still rule our hearts, mind and soul. When the Pliers song pull up you then gets the likes, of Shabba, Papa San, Tiger, Prof Nuts and Trees attacking the riddims in true dancehall style and fashion. then the nineties kings and queens and the millenium generals took over our listening hears and dancing feets, dance cork and liquor sell off . You don't have to ask who will be the victor in this battle of dancehall vs trap music, not even the dead don't need reminders in terms of hearing anymore trap music.
Don't buy into the confusion, there is no such thing as Trap dancehall, it is just jamaicans coming thru with their version of trap music, as the mighty Shabba Ranks said "DANCEHALL STANDS ALONE".......It's just dancing..... if you nah move, then you're trapped in a box, probably dead.
More life and love we a deal with Reggae & Dancehall R&D str8888, where women are the centre and fence around everything we enjoy about life.
Real talk it's the same thing am telling people every day
the artists are talented but the the music has no wings can’t leave the Caribbean sea ,, the dancehall we know is now basically upgraded afrobeat , charly blacks , kartel and spice are among the few that last did a dancehall song and they all hit international charts …. We gave dancehall to Reggaeton and Afrobeat and now pay the price
Yuh notice how afro beat and reggaeton sounds . modern and sweet Dem build it off dancehall so how yuh expected dancehall fi sounds like The 90s dry The snake loops modernize so dancehall sounds better, When producer create authentic dancehall fan's and consumer don't gravitate to it people just like chat am a sing j , check out N-HAANNCE. Instant, just like drake dancehall album das how dancehall must sounds now evolve sounds better wi in digital era the hardcore.drum pattern.make it dancehall
So true
Thank you so much for this interview with NotNice! I agree with his perspective on dancehall and trap and made me think of what people outside of Jamaica define as dancehall- as a reggae and dancehall lover of 30 years plus, I know a dancehall song when I hear it. There’s so much to say I’ve been inspired to cover this topic on my next vlog. there is no threat to true Dancehall, so no worries inna di dancehall!! 🔥🇯🇲💯❤️🔥…. Give thanks NotNice for all the mad chunes with Vybz Kartel and personally me like Jah Vinci from the days of Gaza, one of my favorite riddims is still Yung riddim and gangsta city riddim…but I’ll hear his new songs just not into the romantic style… I do want to give it a chance though. someone showed me a couple years ago a song and told me that it wasn’t a dancehall song but it had a part that sounded like Vybz Kartel - it was partynextdoor but I saw it had NotNice and I thought it should be good… then I heard the sample of Vybz and loved it! a good example of a hybrid song well done. I probably wouldn’t have even listened to it if it didn’t have your name and the Kartel sample… so much love NotNice, thank you for your music 🙌🏽 🔥 give thanks Winford for the great interview, as always 💯
Trap Dancehall is very short term. Excellent observation by the producer. Dancehall need back the juggling amongst the new crop. The original theme of man and man competing on the same riddim is missing and that is a major factor in our music.
KARTEL -FEVER.....IS AN AUTHENTIC DANCEHALL BEAT .............AND IT SOLD GOLD......
I always thought so
Trap dancehall a bamboo fire music , burn out in two weeks
You give it 2 weeks I give it 1 week 🤣 I play 90 music here in the USA and my friends love it the new they don’t even want to here them
Not nice always prove his point 🏆
Dancehall gone when Notnice ,DiGenius start fi make RnB/Trap like beats em.The yuts em love the rap typa beats and singing style. Nothing wrong bout dat. Me is a 90s born so mi agwan listen to mi Degree -Capleton and Sizzla dem. Truth be told though -real dancehall was and is always the best- authentic; raw ;hard-core and original. Blessings from Zimbabwe
The producer dem a mashup dancehall dem think it hard to work with some hidden talent but as the same talent go viral dem find dem and den dem same one a fight trap , the real talent dem get bench
Yow SASHI was bigger than STING 🐝 this show was the most epic event this show keep at James Bond beach 🏖 in oracabessa right infront my house we need another show like this
I use to wish that I could go to Sashi when I was like 12 and was seeing the highlights on TV. Snoop Dogg even had a Sashi billboard in his living room on MTV cribs.
I remember after the show in the morning when I went down by the beach money was all over on the ground bottles of liquor and everything that’s one of the richest party to ever keep in Jamaica and right nome people in Ocho Rios and st Mary still asking about that show even last month when I went to Jamaica
I've been saying this about Trap music for a long time. Trap is not dancehall and should not be classified as such..
Dancehall doesn’t have a feel good vibe to it anymore. The music is too riddled with violence and profanity. Which, won’t go anywhere. Some of the songs out there are really good, but it will never get much AirPlay because of the amount of profanity in it. You can’t play it any and everywhere because of the amount of bad words in it. And these artiste won’t even make a clean version of the song. If you look at Afrobeats or even Reggaeton, most of their songs are clean and feel good type of music that you can dance to, hold a vibe, and even play anywhere. But Dancehall these days is not that. Clean up the music and you’ll see how far Dancehall will get.
It’s not just about the profanity...I mean the guys can clean it up a bit yes but it’s the beats that give you that feel good vibes and the melody...you are right though about Afro music it has that feel good vibe.
I would say the bad words aren’t only the problems as American rap songs from Chris brown drake to da baby Megan the stallion is made of dirty words.
But the music videos with to much adult scenes like naked woman who twerk for males. If the music videos would have less adult erotic scenes. Would be better
Like your reply , I am a jamaican and is now trying to combine reggae and afro beat to come up with something new , listen out for a new artist called AmaicaJ . Title of track. "Murdera"
@@bad7648 it’s a mixture of a lot of different problems that are holding back Dancehall music, but by starting with cleaning up the music and making more music on original Dancehall beats should get us right back on track.
give a example of such track weh good but too much profanity
If we're willing to admit it, Kartel is the master of quantity music and is said to be the King of Dancehall...kmt
Koffee and Chronixx is the only two artist I heard as new generation playing on Capital Xtra and BBC 1xtra in England. The Reggae section on BBC 1xtra still old school only Roman Virgo, Protoji, Lila, Sassco and Busy Signal me heard played.
yes producer is only talking that but yet the dancehall is not changing when last you hear a real hardcore dancehall beat I always say that producer can keep dancehall alive if they can mix it with the authentic dancehall riddim but I hope that after this reasoning with notnice I will hear some good dancehall riddim in 2022 90s style trying to bring back the root of dancehall young artists try it and you will see how far it goes
Pple seem to forget that music is personal and it connects to generations. Trap dancehall in the next ten years will be retro for the teens now and the cycle continues. ...
Trap is shit. I missed the real dancehall with Kartel, aidonia, Mavado, busy, konshens, Demarco, khago, meciless, Beenie, bounty, Gaza empire. That era was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Some things aren't marketable in every context... Tbh it's true there isn't really any (Dance) in Dancehall anymore 😔
Big up yuh damn self notnice tuffest rhythm maker up mi gena 🤘and big up yuh self to mr winford
Notnice let be real ur a great producer but u see a uno start this and the separation in dancehall music and i Knw a lot of talented artists link u b4 no more gate holder nuh in the game like one time this fi show u how artiste is very important on a beat artiste brings the life to the instruments eg any riddim vybz kartel on it shot i think u underage the young talent and if they see a opportunity to least a riddim and ppl gravitating towards what they are doing even if the trap off key because honestly most of dem off key and from dem a get forword dem nah go use you when last u billl a riddim with some hot artiste on a jugglings ? Everyone is all about the money if you don’t have 200g r 300g as a young talented artist you cyah go on one of notnice instrument so you contribute a lot to this trap thing so all u of fi do a get bk in the game because mi always look up to u differently as a youth u always have a different sound so just do the right notnice
Well said
Have to wrote a second comment jah know notnice u state some real facts am a upcoming artist n producer I make all my beats n mix n master all my songs myself cos I don't have the money to pay for all of tht n this interview teach me so much so respect for bringing some things to the light n say some things n do ear a lot of other producer say. Much blessings bro
Dancehall has always been big,probably more than any other genre in Kenya since the days of Shabba..Until the trap dancehall came along.Nobody's listening
Thanks Brother for your observation.
Jamaicans need to 🛑 being obsessed with the American market. Both the artists and the media are 2 obsessed with the American market. The truth be told, America has never supported the dancehall, occasionally there maybe a break out song but the most support comes from the WI diaspora and right now the diaspora is not feeling this Trap crop.
Just to add, Jamaicans luv to follow too much, all of a sudden every body feels like they have to be drinking Hennessy, what happened to the good old W&N. We as a people have lost our identity. We have been heading this direction for a while.
Exactly
Very great point
Am still listening to 90's and early 2000 dancehel music which was hardcore. Only vybz kartel can save the music now.
Bounty Killer soon dropping a body of work
Music and the generation go hand in hand...and music will never stop play cause up to an hour ago I was listening to some alkaline from 5-6 years ago
Exactly,the generation that is overseas is older,so they will cling to what they like when they were young.thats all it is,it's a generational thing.i haven't heard anyone saying this up to now.smh.
@@skemolehgen7543 you talking nonsense! The old generations sticking to the old music Because it's the best! When they used to listen 80s , untill the 90s and early2000s top the 80s and now people stuck at these two era,if the music now was greater than 90seyc then people would be listening to it now, it's not a generation thing,it's a trap music is crap thing
@@skemolehgen7543 that’s the science of music everyone is leaving out bro . Music is like food . What my grandmother likes is not wats my daughter likes does that mean the my daughters food a trash ?? . Winford said dem use to fight dancehall from dem times. 80 , 90 and 2000 . The music did it’s time and got solidified. I really think it’s 2 early to beat up the Yute’s.
Like some of us would know or remember, Reggae music and danceable got the same or even worst negative lashing in infancy. We never accept the earlyday off a lot of things. But we need to learn and carry on LEADING...Give the youth them time and injec the right elements, like bass line and marketable lyrics and see what happens. 3 years is still baby stage an it a gwann okay. There's space for many genre an the youth them nufff. It's just that we're a tiny population... if we were 100mill population we wouldn't need int success to be successful. Wah nuh dead don't bury...🔥💫
Great Interview with Notnice
I wouldnt be surprised if kartel come out of jail and continue where he left!!it was a good platform for other artist to break through internationally but they are happy singing gun songs which doesnt go anywhere but only played in jamaica artist should be wise jamaica is only 3mill people the world has billions do your home work
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
KARTEL WAS NOT RUNNING DANCEHALL MUSIC HE WAS STAYING RELEVANT
@@barringtonedwards7008 you should read and understand what i said before you comment, education is key you know
Bugle, konshens erupt, busy signal, mavado, serani, vybz kartel, demarco, those days dancehall was nice ina Switzerland 🇨🇭 👍.but now a days 😀 the people don't feel the music like that, somehow boring.
The trap ting is too late to stop now. It's like a virus in the system. It just needs to run it's course
The Channel Basehall Movement is a good source for proper DANCEHALL music to dance to
It’s a good look!!!
I have no problem with Trap-Dancehall existing but it shouldn’t be at the forefront of the Dancehall space. Merging genres of music is nothing new but this should be kept at a minimum because it can drown out the original sound of a genre. E.g. Dancehall.
Hiphop, Afrobeats etc merges with other genres of music but they never let it override (pause 😂) the authentic sound of their own. And they keep the mixing with other genres to a minimum.
My problem with the trap dancehall is every rydim sounds the same...
Vybz Kartel destroyed Dancehall Music! Before you guys jump defend the “Worl Boss” let me explain why:
Firstly, Vybz has ushered in an era of extremely dirty music. Filled with profanity, very sexual and violent messages. Dancehall to some extent had similar songs with same kind of content in the past, but not to this extent. Eventually, these types of songs became and staple for local consumers of Dancehall. This in turns , made a lot of upcoming artiste thinking that this was the way to go to always sing about kil/ing, guns, sex, because they see it work for Kartel, they think it will work for them, not knowing this is the start of slow death of Dancehall music.
Secondly, The volume of song that Kartel produced. Let me say this that nothing is wrong with producing a lot of song, but it’s how you produce them. Vybz Kartel has always been known for producing a lot of songs. Sometimes releasing multiple songs in a given day that was even recorded the very same day. Some of these song eventually became local hits, but most of them were rather basic from an overall musical standpoint, in terms of the quality of the recording. The song wouldn’t be mixed or mastered properly and you can just tell that there was no quality control involved, but due to the fact Vybz Kartel has a name and a large following, people would rave about it. Aspiring artiste will see this and think that they also needed to do the same and put out 2 songs a day instead of taking their time and making a quality record that will last for ages. Most of the song Vybz Kartel made are quick songs that are here today and gone tomorrow. For the volume of songs he put out, only a handful of them really stand out. Vybz Kartel took Dancehall music from being internationally acclaimed to garrison music. And that’s what most young artiste are singing today. Songs that won’t even reach Norman Manly airport much less to board a flight. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it ✋🏽🎤
I agree with some of the points made here. Vybz Kartel is my favourite but his reign was good and bad in some ways for the business. His brand image and the use of certain sounds in his music helped in the decline of Dancehall.
You miss the point of the interview. The point is what they are calling dancehall today is not dancehall because of the sound mainly the beats being used not so much the content. Most of the songs kartel made were dancehall music,keep the man dem rocking and the women whining,very much dancehall. The argument of making cleaner music is a different argument onto itself
most of what you said is facts
Stop Talking Nosense , Put some respect on di teacher, He is the best to ever do di ting
U hv a point but vybez has been one of the only artist in the last 2 decades to hv all these diverse songs he did teenage pregnancy, clarks, coloring book, emergency . Gwan ah school so much other songs that has nothing to do with sex and violence
There's been a concentrated effort since the 80's to remove the soul from black music because our power is in our music and certain beings want to sync our sounds into their lower dimensions from where they can trap, control and feed off of us, they have all kinds of artificial technology and equipment for this, then they use money and fame to lure a constant stream of young artists and producers into their world to saturate the industry with negative sounds and images and drown out our positive natural sounds that can unite and uplift the ppl and the cycle continues each generation
On point Brother, they also change the hertz from the Godly 432 frequency to the devils 440 hertz.
Happy new year on stage 👏🔥🔥🔥
@Onstage TV Di Genius was the first producer I see make these style of beats before the label "trap dance hall" was attached to the genre and everybody did a run with it. During this time MTV and BET was in our faces every day and the radio stations played as much hip hop as they play dancehall music. The new generation of producers during this time strayed away from the original template of dancehall music "90s Style" and hip hop influenced our music as much as we influenced theirs. It's just the evolution of music. The artists just need fi find hit songs that can cross over. Koffee doing very well and she on trap beats. But she don't limit her songs to just one style of beats thats just it 🤷♂🤷♂
What they need to do is to do back 90s and 2000s dancehall music type,koffe is seeing as a reggae singer not dancehall ,that's why she doing well but she not touching the heights of Beenie man,Sean Paul ,shabba etc
Name one trap dancehall riddim Di Genius make?
@@Adrian_Solid1 "The Party Time Riddim" and theres many more with a similar drum pattern
Totally disagree with these guys discriminating music, music is life and life is something that goes on regardless one has to be extinct for another to evolve, sad to say but music will do its thing as times change just as it's been doing from the beginning of time. Jamaican didn't started doing music first music changes everywhere the blueprint of reggae/Dancehall will always be there as a templates for who wants to do that type of music but also like building house you'll add different part to it like a guess room or a walk in closet, you will have different part and additional sides to music reggae was stolen, dancehall was stolen, hip hop was stolen, even Ska was stolen so all these music have one factor so just look at trap Dancehall as another stolen genre or "johnra" as humbre call it.
@@datsmusicja Bro I think you're very confused about what Trap music is. If you're talking about The Party Time Riddim that Kartel did Wine For Me on, that's not trap bro.
Yes notnice u speak the real truth big up u self
I agree with Mr. Nice 💯!!
I will never do a money pull!!!Let me get another champagne please.
😭😭😭😭😂😂😂
@@jaunbonaysmith what you drinking?
@@90sdancehallkid40 blue moscato please 🙌🙌😭😭
@@jaunbonaysmith very light but that's fine,somebody gotz to drive...😇😅...Cheers 🥂
@@90sdancehallkid40 😂😂😂🙌🙌🙌 yeah mon & remember we affi cut down a little cuz' we ah start save fi di house
A fi real still me say it me self a nuff ute buss this year enuh .....mi wah see when the place open up if them can deliver on stage pun not intended
I’m all for the youths making money but the trap dancehall weak .
lol the Boxing Match...one minute the Dread is on his back on the ground receiving treatment for being knocked out and in the next clip he's up and smiling as if nothing had happened..."Comedy Gold" haha
Best name for it should be *"CARIBBEAN TRAP"* or *"ISLAND TRAP"* or something of the sort. Music evolve and if the youngins are inspired by another international sound/genre to create something new, weather or not it is accepted internationally, I don't think dancehall players/lovers should shun it or speak ill of it. Why not work along with it and find creative ways to mix it with authentic dancehall sound.
Mixing this thing whatever you call it is destroying dancehall music, can't you just identify that this music is just not entertaining,
notnice!🇸🇱🙏🏿❤👊🏿✅💯🇸🇱my mentor still.
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building !!!!!! 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Kingston Jamaica is the building!!!!!!
The problem with the chop music 🎷 is the riddim, the riddim dnt have no dancing vybz to it, that's the problem ⚠️
Trueeeeeeeeee notnice mi a wonder if mi a get old too 🤔
Yesss! I’ve been looking for info about Sashi.
Just call it “Chop-Hall”
When reggae was the thing and dancehall was upcoming many people look down on hardcore dancehall artists and it take decades for dancehall to become mainstream now the same thing happening to trap ..trap will have it time .. dancehall isn't even the same like when yellow man and general trees was doing it ..beenie and bounty was an evolve version of dancehall anyway ..let music grow
Not the same in my opinion. At least Dancehall was authentic made from elements out our own original genres and from our African roots. Trap-Dancehall is biting a next man style (Modern American Hiphop) which has a very low vibration and doesn’t represent Jamaicans at all. We are trendsetters. Not followers. If Trap music was never made before maybe I might agree with you but it is not ours.
432 hertz is needed to bring back the heart beat in dancehall musik.
I agree with notnice 100 percent.this trap music not going anywhere in a hurry authentic dancehall is still the buze.
Like the way the artist diestro handle him self well spoken bro more love jah guidance and more blessing pon you bro gone do your thing 20 plus
Danchall has lost the island feel
It is ours I have been experimenting with this fusion for years
The business needed in the industry
Not nice is talk in truth 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥✨🏴
Happy New Year Onstage and Jamaica.😘
Happy new year not Nice mi general
Winford, please do some research into the hertz of this trap crap music in comparison to the hertz of dancehall. The lower vibrational energy of trap doesn't lift spirits because of the lower wave length (hertz).
He’s just playing devils advocate
Solid solid point bro....even trap hip hop music doesn’t lift spirits at all...it’s for drugged up and zombie people...just lame...been thinking about this but couldn’t express it like yuh
@@bad7648 ❤️
@@unfriendlykarimallianceboy time to stop playing! Winford and his show could play a greater role to inform Jamaicans about the truth.
Excellent point
i think what really happening is that artist is making their own money now and getting more play and streaming with there own control ,and producer not making any money or able to rob the artists or shelf these artiest anymore ,its a game changer and the older producer have to be blame for it .these kids are not dunce like the older artists .hard to trick them .
Phuck trap…Go foreign with that!!!
@onstage what Notnice is saying about the state of dancehall is 100% truth, same thing happens to Ghanaian hiplife when new crop of artists started emerging and created new riddims and genres. For some years now we don't have our sweet hiplife anymore.
Trap Dancehall is the future.
What going on with NotNice and Kartel sound
" Musical Variant " 😂 No Winnie it's too soon cool nuh man
Even in the Afrobeats industry there are artists who make Afro-Trap music and they have a buzz in various pockets on the continent and in other areas around the world but they don’t let that sub-genre drown out their main sound.
For example
Big up!!!!To all artists across the different genres of music that is here for our entertainment!!!
NotNice Sir you need to have your own bodcast cast on UA-cam. Very intriguing info, you put forth.
last hot dancehall riddims release in the 2005 - 2015 from (di genius, zj chrome, romeich etc) and these were different to nowadays riddim. the thing about trap is that the producers not recognizing that trap in each country inna west africa, UK, US, australia. have a recognizable niche. like south of US trap has alot of organ instruments like US gospel, the west coast still using their original beats as the underlay to their tracks, notnice right dem just a copy and paste weh foreign have already dem nuh want hear that. even within hip hop ppl a get tired addi drill like brooklyn drill and are returning to their hip hop roots they haven't got rid of the trap/drill but they are now melding it instead of it being the main ingredient from my common man viewpoint
Not nice,you need to be one of the producers that help get dancehall music on track mi g
Who here over 35 liking this trap dancehall. Speak up
He said our music is raw and organic!! What does the word organic mean and see if trap dancehall applies! Organic is the operative word!!
Notnice shit ina the pass now people step ina it and him nu want no blame 💯
Well said notnice I can't feel trap dancehall the lyrics are there but I can't feel the riddim
These are the best music Jamaica can produce. Very very poor .
How mi see the money pull up is
Like a tip no funny thing yzt but the dj set the vibes right suh the money flow
Notnice is endorsing it by repeatedly saying TRAP DANCEHALL
IF ITS NOT DANCHAALL HE SHOULD JUST SAY ( TRAP ) INSTEAD
MAKE IT DISTINGUISH ( TRAP )
👍 happy new year 👀🔥💯
Could you please get subtitles so that we over here can fully understand what the stars are saying?
WINFORD can you dance. I would love to see you dance!! Lol
Happy New Year Winford💥🎆
So glad to hear Sashii is returning to our shores😃
Notnice made some pretty interesting points
NOT NICE : ur so rite some time pull up change the vibes so the party ..that is true 👍 up on that bro ..ur a genus ur really studying the music ..next thing too much badness in music now bro …we don’t need that at this time in our country …big up ur self not nice 👍 ✊🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 we listen and looking ✅✅✅⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🇲🇱🇲🇱🇲🇱🇲🇱
Notnice is the real thing. An abassador of dance hall .💯
Bad🔥🔥🔥🔥💀
Music is missing the drums and bass....no real energy to dance to
True
exactly the same thing I was saying at work all a dem nowadays artist kill dem dem think seh hot but pity dem only hot a Jamaica but nobody knows dem a farrin basically fi dem music naw leave Norman manly
Yuh nuh easy bredda... Mi can't stop laugh 😂... No real work history...yuh nuh easy at all... Make dat dough yow🇯🇲
fi real Notnice have to keep it authentic more times and mess around with other genres.
Well alot if these young blood don't know Sashi ( L.O.Y )..even Bogle did sign contract with them..suh if Sashi wah fi mek back him name him affi get american talent like lil baby..cardi b...da baby..lil durk..etc..he got to work with the artist ppl in Jamaica formular with..although his shows are international n he's more concerned about the foreigners!..so let see what he can pull off..because this yah covid ain't going nowhere for now!
The music has to transform. The youth dem nah try mek wah mek already dem a try set them own pace... dem a talk about world this and world that... dem don’t love Jamaica a farrin dem a try impress
And there’s a reason why koffee is known internationally and she won a Grammy. Notnice even stated there are going to be changes but u have “GOOD” and “BAD” Changes, and trap dancehall sound nice y’all, yes, but it ultimately nah pass airport😂 better yet, deven inside the airport u hearing this rubbish😂😂
Notnice dont too ovas, him ave him points but afro and reggaeton is fuse with reggae and danceall. Afro beats close to reggea and dancehall more than trapdancehall beat wise and lyric wise.
MANY BLESSINGS TO EVERYONE HAPPY NEW 💝💝