Bro I’ve been watching you forever, and I have no idea why you don’t have more subs. I respect you for putting out so much great content so consistently, thank you for everything!!
I got this hi-hat really early on the first few days it was available, ran into many issues at first (only given the one super small clutch and rotation stopper, no washer etc), after some back and forth they very quickly sent out a larger stopper then later on the washer / gasket. Glad both of these are standardized now so nobody has to deal with nothing fitting on a thick hihat rod (I had a proel Tamburo hi-hat at the time which is even thicker than Tama's, got an Iron Cobra 905D now). The new cable also fixed every issue I had with it, plays perfect for me now. Great reviews as always!
I fixed the thick rod (heh) issue by ordering a Lemon hat stand at the same time (an extra £20 or so). I'm certain I'll lose that rubber washer at a gig soon though 😬🤔
@@gordonjeffrey8616 Had edge trigger issues, open/close issues, sensitivity etc. New cable in the bottom hat (blue color cable not red) fixed most of it. ua-cam.com/users/shortskAbPsgvvvtc You should also make sure it is setup the way they describe in their guide videos, makes the open/close transitions good
Lemon’s customer service is honestly better than Roland’s imo! Try to reach out to Roland for replacement parts, or get a fast response from them on anything. Lemon is a brand that I think we can all trust at this point, and if the cymbals only last 2 yrs - you can buy four of them for the price of a single Roland cymbal. This brand is the ultimate value proposition
I use nylon tips after noticing how wood left marks on my ecymbals. My brother switched to nylon after I pointed it out to him on his td50 cymbals. I clean my cymbals with 303 protectant occasionally too. Works very well.
I just picked up a Roland kit and noticed the new nylon sticks I bought also left marks on the cymbals. It looks like the kind of mark that would easily wipe away, though.
@@ericiidxI think the newer ones may be a slightly different rubber. I have older Roland cymbals and my Vic Firth sticks dont leave much of a mark. The wood ones leave colored marks that look bad. My used Roland cymbals are still functioning well after many years. Quality stuff. I just clean them a couple times a year and theyre good
I was just about to say the very same thing! I only ever use nylon-tipped sticks on my edrums and have found there are next to no markings on both the cymbals and the drum heads!
Just got this hihat as my vh10 crapped out yesterday. Man for the price this thing is awesome. I forgot to put the rubber washer on and it caused the zones to act funny. Once I put that on it has been flawless. Def glad I went with this one.
Thanks Luke for your videos! Just wanted to pop on and say I just got mine and they’re working well with my Roland TD-17. They sent two washers which was nice and the process to put together was well explained in the directions. As far as settings I haven’t had to do much adjusting. It was pretty much plug and play. Honestly I thought the pedal sound was quieter than the VH-10.
I also break Lemon and Roland cymbals - I bought cheap, lightweight maple sticks and now I break them far less often 😅 - interestingly, the Lemon china cymbal is far more robust due to the shape of the edge of the cymbal... worth considering if you're a hard hitter...
Great video, Luke. Thank you. I assume there's no issue when connecting to a VST like SD3 as this is handled in the usual manner thru module/VST settings (VH11)? I have a TD12. PS is it HHS not HHC?
Thanks Nick! There shouldn't be any particular issues due to using a VST, no. As you say, the module handles the triggering and open/close, so as long as everything is set up right between the two devices, all should work as expected. No, it's LE-HHC12. The product code only comes up when you bring up the full product details on the Alibaba page though, the title of the item is "Lemon double-piece Hihat with controller drum cymbal drum parts for electronic drum set" 😅 Edit - Oh, I *think* the HHS one might be the single piece "hi-hat cymbal & sensor" version! That one has no bottom plate.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop before Lemon sent out the washers / gaskets, the hi-hat didn’t trigger well on my td17 since there’s no offset calibration option, though I was still able to play accurately on SD3 through the built in hi-hat calibration in the vst despite inaccurate readings in the module.
Great video as Usual Luke Would you say this is better overall, but specially in playability than Roland VH10 single plate? Thanks :) *the deal I was making "digital" was broken by the seller
Hey, Luke...love your channel. A quick consultation if you don't mind. I've been having issues with the Strike (loads of em, but this one I can't figure out) when I'm playing 16th's on the hi-hat (alternating hands only) it misses some of the hits. It does it with VH-10 and VH-11. I´ve tryed messing with x-talk, treshold, curves and everything, but nothing works. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Nice video - thanks for that. Question though - as a TD-27 users with a VH10 HH pad, what would be the advantage of changing to the Lemon 2-piece? Would it be better for me to save up for the Roland digital Hi-Hat?
Thanks! If you're happy with your VH-10, the differences with this Lemon LE-HHC12 will be mostly in the aesthetics and the fact that you can use the pressure/extra tight closed sound functionality with the VH-13 preset. Whether you think that's worth swapping is totally up to you - it might not be!
Wouldn't you want to keep that localized piezo on the opposite side, away from you, so you never hit right above it? That might take away some of the trigger 'hot'ness, as well - no? (Just my intuition, I have no experience with it.)
Hello, does the Zeitgeist ZG H-12 hi hat manufactured by Lemon have to be configured using the same R-VH-13 V2 preset in Pearl Mimic Pro that you used when configuring the Lemon hi hat? Thank you.
DISCLAIMER: I don’t own the Lemon HHC12 yet, nor the DM10 MKII Pro, but I do own the original DM10 Pro. If the DM10 MKII Pro uses the same DM10 module as the original DM10 Pro, it should work with the additional 3mm washer. The DM10 doesn’t have an offset option for its hi-hat controller calibration settings, so the extra travel distance should create that offset physically. Which is great, because Alesis’s own Pro-X hats (designed for the first Strike Pro kits) are… not great, even after the firmware update enabling their use
Thank you! I'm not gonna lie, I'm not familiar with the DM10, so I'm not 100% sure what kind of hi-hat controller it uses/needs. I assume it's similar to the one used on the Strike so this might work, but that's just a guess.
I messaged Kenny Q and he assured me that it would work with the DM10 MKII Pro module. Then, to be extra sure I replied asking to confirm my understanding that that means it will work in open, closed and half open modes and he again affirmed my understanding. From everything I know from my and others' interactions with him, I have absolutely no reason to think he may have lied to me. Now I just hope he wasn't wrong! LOL Am planning to order mine soon.
Hello, @@rexhutto1196 Did you get these hi-hats? and if so, can you confirm if they work with the DM10 MKII with the full range? I'm looking for options to upgrade my hi-hats and would really appreciate your insight. Thanks.
@@JoseLCDiaz I did get them but for a variety of reasons never had an opportunity to try them out. I am in the process of reconfiguring my kit and hope to actually begin playing again soon. Here is what I have learned since my original comment: I am still convinced that Kenny is a great guy and totally trustworthy. However, it appears that he was wrong in his answer to my question. Again, I can't answer from firsthand experience (though I might try them out this evening or tomorrow to confirm), but it appears that they are not compatible...definitely now for "full range" of articulations. The pedal type controller native to the DM10 MKII Pro utilizes a very different technology than the Roland VH11 on which the Lemon HHs are based. I believe you can only get open and closed articulations with Lemon + DM10etc. It is for that reason (and also to expand beyond the number of channels on the module) that I bought an eDRUMin device, which I plan to implement in the next few days. If you're not familiar with this gadget, Google it. It really is an amazing bit of technology. There are some great reveiws of it on UA-cam. Just did a quick check and my understanding is confirmed here: facebook.com/groups/alesisdrums/posts/3599561330299848/?paipv=0&eav=AfYQx7pYPRnlKQGKbdtpIRglwbB_7n9vvSPgI_a6OLCOwqrbiVTaQNUDLiGyEY6A4iM&_rdr
I think it's more to do with my stand than anything else. The felt/tilter that it's sat on never stays completely flat. That said, the bottom plate does appear to be moving more than it did when I first set it up. It never feels wrong or bad though when playing.
I bought it on Amazon and after a month I have a started to have some problems, but Amazon told me that I can't have warranty after 30 days, so what do you recommend me?
I currently have a model that probably does not support this hi hat (an mps 1000 module). Are there any other ways to use hi than buying a completely new module?
Hi Like, very nice review. I own an Alesis DM10 MK2 pro kit. I saw the alesis strike controller in the video. Would it work with the DM10 Controller? The output for the hi hat is one cable from the pedal and one cable from the hihat pad. Thanks
Hi! Thanks. Do you mean if the DM10 hi-hat controller is compatible with the Alesis Strike module? I assume so but I can't confirm it from experience as I've not used one myself.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I'm also interested in this, I own an Alesis DM10 MKII Pro kit, is it possible that this Lemon hi-hat fits my module, given that it fits the hi-hat from the Alesis Strike kit, since the module has an option to switch from the pedal to the pro x hi hat, which is hard to find now... I would be grateful for an answer...
Thanks for the review ☺. Is it worth getting this as a replacement for my Vh11 on a Td30 module? Also how noisy is this compared to a vh11? Many thanks in advance, happy drumming 🤘 🥁
I've not used a VH-11 for quite some time so I can't do a direct noise comparison, unfortunately. As I mentioned in this review, the sound of the two pads coming together is a bit louder than one-piece hi-hat solutions and the Lemon pads themselves are a touch louder than Roland's in my experience due to the thinner rubber on top. Whether it's worth getting this over a VH-11 really depends on why you would want to upgrade - is the VH-11 not doing the job well enough? The playing size of this and the VH-11 is the same (12 inches). There is a bit of a difference in feel due to the bottom plate but it's hard to say whether you'll find that worth it or not.
I'm not entirely certain because I believe the TD-20 preceded the VH-13 hi-hats and doesn't have a setting for them? This might work with the VH-12 setting but I don't know for sure as I didn't test it myself. I would imagine you could at least get it working similarly to a VH-11/FD pedal with the washer if you used the FD pedal setting - the VH-11 and the FD-7/FD-8/FD-9 pedals all operate basically the same as far as I know. There won't be any specific settings for dealing with the pads clashing together though, other than the usual threshold etc. Unfortunately I can't confirm any of this myself, it's just my best guess based on what I do know!
Hey. No, I've not run into any issues on the TD-17, once used with the rubber washer. That could be a trigger settings issue or it might be an instrument volume thing. The easiest thing to check is that the instrument volume hasn't accidentally been turned down. You can check this under the Level setting. If it's definitely not this, try another pad in this input and see if the low volume still persists. If it does, try the trigger settings. I found the Lemon hats to be "hotter" than Roland cymbals so normally it would be the opposite, but check that you're using the right pad preset and that sensitivity settings are set high enough that your harder hits are going up to the top of the trigger monitor graph (or reaching near to 127). If they're not, you might only be triggering low velocity sounds. If you can't get it to do this, there might be a physical issue with the pad.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi Luke, thank you so much for the detailed answer - which makes me sound even dumber when I say that the preset was assigned to some BRUSH hi-hat for some reason...changed it to a normal hat and it worked right away. So far I'm really happy with the Lemon hats and I made the purchase based off of your excellent review! So thank you very much!
I don't know for certain but I don't *think* so. Yamaha hi-hats usually use a different controller type to Roland modules and they don't tend to be cross-compatible. Since this is a Roland-type controller, I don't believe it will work with any Yamaha modules.
I don't think it would be ideal to have a larger pad that overhangs the bottom plate, but I suppose it could possibly work. The main issue with swapping the top pad out at all is that most cymbal pads have chunky jack boxes on them. This gets in the way and stops you from being able to properly close the two pieces (I tried my 13" Yamaha cymbal and a Roland CY-12 and neither would shut properly). The top cymbal of this hi-hat has a thinner, more streamlined jack socket which is located in a better place for this use (like the Roland pads that it's clearly based on).
I haven't gigged my eDrums for the last two years, so it's not a consideration I need to make at the moment. I would probably stick with my older setup of my PCY135 and FD7, purely because it's less equipment to carry.
I guess it depends whether you want a two piece or one piece hi-hat! You can get more false triggers with a bottom plate, but you get a more satisfying change in response of the stick when the bottom plate pushes on the top (if you value that). Personally I'd probably use this over the VH-11 or VH-10 due to the price and feel.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Well, that answered my question (VH-10 or this). I actually have the VH-10, but I've found that the closer to an acoustic hihat my eDrum has, the better for me. I know that it is completely not necessary (strictly speaking--i.e. everything can be controlled by an electronic pedal), but somehow, I need the mechanical response--especially if I'm keeping time with my hihat foot--even more so now that I've started playing acoustic drums... As always thanks for the excellent review.
@@stevenreich8623 Maybe some good info for you to know. I just bought a VH-13, which is similar to the lemon HHC12, to upgrade from my VH-11, which is similar to your VH-10. My opinion is that the VH-11 is more predictable, consistent and faster on the open-closed controller side of things. The VH-13 feels a bit more realistic to play on the top but the difference is barely noticeable. I am currently switching between the VH-11 and VH-13 all the time but might to back to the VH-11 and keep the VH-13 as a spare (I do live gigs and like a spare of each component). I would only recommend the 2-piece hats design if you want them for the looks. In your case, the Lemon hats have even more disadvantages over the VH-10 like the hotspot and questionable build-quality. Long post but I thought this might me useful to you.
So far they're still working fine, but admittedly I haven't used them extensively over that time. I spent a long time testing a different kit and I also have the VH-14D that I usually use when my Roland modules are set up, so I've only used it the Lemon cymbals now and again with other modules.
How do you get those tama cymbal mates to stay put on your cymbal rods? My cymbals are resting on threaded rods and no matter what I do they want stay on.
I have a couple of rods that they just don't seem to hold onto as well, especially if pressure gets exerted from below. But generally they just stay on most stands if I don't over or under tighten them, as long as they're 8mm posts.
Feels pretty similar to most electronic cymbals, to be honest. I've not used the VH-13 recently enough (or for long enough) to say whether the Lemon hats feel definitively better or worse than them.
Did you ever try? I ordered one and will be trying it on my nitro mesh kit. I’m sure it can only give me an open and closed signal and nothing in between, but I think it should work.
I imagine so but I've not tested it myself. The information I can give you is all in the video - If you use the 3mm washer, the hi-hat can act like a VH-11 or VH-10. If you don't, it will only act like a VH-13. So depending on which of these controllers your module supports, you can work out how to use this hi-hat with your module. If you don't know, check what presets are available on it or look in the manual.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop it's possible to connect a vh-11 so I don't know if it's worth do the change with my cy5 to obtain a more realistic hihat, i don't know if the presets of the module gonna work, thanks for your info!
Ok, so if it supports the VH-11, it will have a VH-11 preset and should be able to support this hi-hat, as long as you use the 3mm washer with it. Whether or not you think it will be worth swapping your CY-5 & foot controller to the LE-HHC12 is going to come down to personal preference. The actual open/close range will be the same, but you'll have the physical motion of the pad moving on a stand and the change of feel that you get from hitting a pad that's "free" compared to the more solid feel when you push down on the pedal. Some people find that to be worth the upgrade, some people don't! The actual sounds that you get from open to close on the module won't change either.
*EDIT* - I probably should have looked in the manual! Apparently it does support the VH-11 hi-hat, so in theory the LE-HHC12 should work with that module as long as you use the washer like I showed in the video for the TD-17. Previous reply - To be honest, I'm not sure! I *think* it might work with the washer in the way that it works with the TD-17 like that because the VH-10/VH-11 pedals operate the same way that the foot controllers like the FD-8/FD-9 do, but I can't be certain as I don't have a TD-4 module to test it with. I'm not sure if that module has the full range of open/close sounds either.
If the TD-9 can support the VH-11, this should work with the washer. My guess is that it can as the VH-11 is basically the same as an FD pedal, but I don't have a TD-9 to confirm myself.
I have an alesis strike pro se that wasn't registering closed hat hits, and this washer fix solved the issue for me...thank god for you!
Bro I’ve been watching you forever, and I have no idea why you don’t have more subs. I respect you for putting out so much great content so consistently, thank you for everything!!
Thank you for the kind words and support, they're really appreciated 🙏
I got this hi-hat really early on the first few days it was available, ran into many issues at first (only given the one super small clutch and rotation stopper, no washer etc), after some back and forth they very quickly sent out a larger stopper then later on the washer / gasket. Glad both of these are standardized now so nobody has to deal with nothing fitting on a thick hihat rod (I had a proel Tamburo hi-hat at the time which is even thicker than Tama's, got an Iron Cobra 905D now). The new cable also fixed every issue I had with it, plays perfect for me now. Great reviews as always!
It's a shame you had to go through those issues but I'm glad they sorted you out quickly! Thanks 🙏
I fixed the thick rod (heh) issue by ordering a Lemon hat stand at the same time (an extra £20 or so). I'm certain I'll lose that rubber washer at a gig soon though 😬🤔
What issues were you having? I can't get the edge to trigger properly, even with a replacement top hat.
@@gordonjeffrey8616 Had edge trigger issues, open/close issues, sensitivity etc. New cable in the bottom hat (blue color cable not red) fixed most of it. ua-cam.com/users/shortskAbPsgvvvtc
You should also make sure it is setup the way they describe in their guide videos, makes the open/close transitions good
@@Lemonard0 Got the new cable, didn't change the edge issue.
At this rate Luke you should be an ambassador for Lemon :D
Got one today, 2 washers in the box now. Looks like Lemon listens well to criticism.
Did you buy it from them ? or ebay/edrumcenter ?
Lemon’s customer service is honestly better than Roland’s imo!
Try to reach out to Roland for replacement parts, or get a fast response from them on anything.
Lemon is a brand that I think we can all trust at this point, and if the cymbals only last 2 yrs - you can buy four of them for the price of a single Roland cymbal. This brand is the ultimate value proposition
I use nylon tips after noticing how wood left marks on my ecymbals. My brother switched to nylon after I pointed it out to him on his td50 cymbals. I clean my cymbals with 303 protectant occasionally too. Works very well.
I just picked up a Roland kit and noticed the new nylon sticks I bought also left marks on the cymbals. It looks like the kind of mark that would easily wipe away, though.
@@ericiidxI think the newer ones may be a slightly different rubber. I have older Roland cymbals and my Vic Firth sticks dont leave much of a mark. The wood ones leave colored marks that look bad.
My used Roland cymbals are still functioning well after many years. Quality stuff. I just clean them a couple times a year and theyre good
I was just about to say the very same thing! I only ever use nylon-tipped sticks on my edrums and have found there are next to no markings on both the cymbals and the drum heads!
What’s this 303 protectant ? Also nylon recommended for cymbals and mesh pads ? (Asking for Roland TD-07 range).
Just got this hihat as my vh10 crapped out yesterday. Man for the price this thing is awesome. I forgot to put the rubber washer on and it caused the zones to act funny. Once I put that on it has been flawless. Def glad I went with this one.
Thanks Luke for your videos! Just wanted to pop on and say I just got mine and they’re working well with my Roland TD-17. They sent two washers which was nice and the process to put together was well explained in the directions.
As far as settings I haven’t had to do much adjusting. It was pretty much plug and play. Honestly I thought the pedal sound was quieter than the VH-10.
Still rocking 2 Lemon chinas hooked to my dual td50X & strike modules setup. 🥁
Do you just run the audio through to the primary module or just trigger all the pads through one and the other is just midi passthrough?
I use a clutch felt on my 1 piece Hi Hat and it works great as a spacer!!!!
Awesome!
Sound very precise and clean
Yeah, a little bit tricky for me because I had to keep going back and watching your video..lol
great review Luke, I got the replacement part off Kenny Q and mine did come with the rubber washer , cheers
Nice one! Glad to have it confirmed that the washer is being sent out as standard, thanks!
The only reason I'm down to get an electronic set is because there's finally a decent hi-hat.
Crazy to think that rack of drum modules is worth more than some cars
😅 don't remind me
"plunger" is such a funny word
I think it comes with a flange
Very nice video my friend 🤗🥁🎵
Thank you!
I just purchased VH-10, but I'm also interested in this product
Lemon recently released a 14" two piece hi hat and 20" ride. Any plans of reviewing these?
Yes, I'm hoping to get hold of them soon but can't promise a timeframe.
I also break Lemon and Roland cymbals - I bought cheap, lightweight maple sticks and now I break them far less often 😅 - interestingly, the Lemon china cymbal is far more robust due to the shape of the edge of the cymbal... worth considering if you're a hard hitter...
Good to know about the Lemon china!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Yep - I needed one so I bought three 😅
Great video, Luke. Thank you. I assume there's no issue when connecting to a VST like SD3 as this is handled in the usual manner thru module/VST settings (VH11)? I have a TD12.
PS is it HHS not HHC?
Thanks Nick! There shouldn't be any particular issues due to using a VST, no. As you say, the module handles the triggering and open/close, so as long as everything is set up right between the two devices, all should work as expected.
No, it's LE-HHC12. The product code only comes up when you bring up the full product details on the Alibaba page though, the title of the item is "Lemon double-piece Hihat with controller drum cymbal drum parts for electronic drum set" 😅
Edit - Oh, I *think* the HHS one might be the single piece "hi-hat cymbal & sensor" version! That one has no bottom plate.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop before Lemon sent out the washers / gaskets, the hi-hat didn’t trigger well on my td17 since there’s no offset calibration option, though I was still able to play accurately on SD3 through the built in hi-hat calibration in the vst despite inaccurate readings in the module.
Oh, that's great to know! Cheers!
Great video as Usual Luke
Would you say this is better overall, but specially in playability than Roland VH10 single plate?
Thanks :)
*the deal I was making "digital" was broken by the seller
Hey, Luke...love your channel. A quick consultation if you don't mind. I've been having issues with the Strike (loads of em, but this one I can't figure out) when I'm playing 16th's on the hi-hat (alternating hands only) it misses some of the hits. It does it with VH-10 and VH-11. I´ve tryed messing with x-talk, treshold, curves and everything, but nothing works. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Nice video - thanks for that. Question though - as a TD-27 users with a VH10 HH pad, what would be the advantage of changing to the Lemon 2-piece? Would it be better for me to save up for the Roland digital Hi-Hat?
Thanks! If you're happy with your VH-10, the differences with this Lemon LE-HHC12 will be mostly in the aesthetics and the fact that you can use the pressure/extra tight closed sound functionality with the VH-13 preset. Whether you think that's worth swapping is totally up to you - it might not be!
Hi, Luke. Are you using sounds from the module, or a VST? if so, which one? Thanks!
Wouldn't you want to keep that localized piezo on the opposite side, away from you, so you never hit right above it? That might take away some of the trigger 'hot'ness, as well - no? (Just my intuition, I have no experience with it.)
Hello! Its compatible with Roland TD-17 KVX? my VH-10 is dead 😞
Hello, does the Zeitgeist ZG H-12 hi hat manufactured by Lemon have to be configured using the same R-VH-13 V2 preset in Pearl Mimic Pro that you used when configuring the Lemon hi hat? Thank you.
So with the logic of the extra washer, could you use a VH13 with modules that do not support it?
Quite possibly, it seems. I've not tried it in a VH-13 to verify, but it seems logical that it would also work.
That Lemon label (hi hat or cymbals) can be plug in a ddrum DDTI module to latter open a DAW with maybe Hertz Drums or EZ Drummer?
Great video, very informative👌. Just wondering do you know will this work with an Alesis DM10 MKII Pro
DISCLAIMER: I don’t own the Lemon HHC12 yet, nor the DM10 MKII Pro, but I do own the original DM10 Pro. If the DM10 MKII Pro uses the same DM10 module as the original DM10 Pro, it should work with the additional 3mm washer. The DM10 doesn’t have an offset option for its hi-hat controller calibration settings, so the extra travel distance should create that offset physically. Which is great, because Alesis’s own Pro-X hats (designed for the first Strike Pro kits) are… not great, even after the firmware update enabling their use
Thank you! I'm not gonna lie, I'm not familiar with the DM10, so I'm not 100% sure what kind of hi-hat controller it uses/needs. I assume it's similar to the one used on the Strike so this might work, but that's just a guess.
I messaged Kenny Q and he assured me that it would work with the DM10 MKII Pro module. Then, to be extra sure I replied asking to confirm my understanding that that means it will work in open, closed and half open modes and he again affirmed my understanding. From everything I know from my and others' interactions with him, I have absolutely no reason to think he may have lied to me. Now I just hope he wasn't wrong! LOL Am planning to order mine soon.
Hello, @@rexhutto1196
Did you get these hi-hats? and if so, can you confirm if they work with the DM10 MKII with the full range?
I'm looking for options to upgrade my hi-hats and would really appreciate your insight. Thanks.
@@JoseLCDiaz I did get them but for a variety of reasons never had an opportunity to try them out. I am in the process of reconfiguring my kit and hope to actually begin playing again soon. Here is what I have learned since my original comment:
I am still convinced that Kenny is a great guy and totally trustworthy. However, it appears that he was wrong in his answer to my question. Again, I can't answer from firsthand experience (though I might try them out this evening or tomorrow to confirm), but it appears that they are not compatible...definitely now for "full range" of articulations. The pedal type controller native to the DM10 MKII Pro utilizes a very different technology than the Roland VH11 on which the Lemon HHs are based. I believe you can only get open and closed articulations with Lemon + DM10etc.
It is for that reason (and also to expand beyond the number of channels on the module) that I bought an eDRUMin device, which I plan to implement in the next few days. If you're not familiar with this gadget, Google it. It really is an amazing bit of technology. There are some great reveiws of it on UA-cam.
Just did a quick check and my understanding is confirmed here: facebook.com/groups/alesisdrums/posts/3599561330299848/?paipv=0&eav=AfYQx7pYPRnlKQGKbdtpIRglwbB_7n9vvSPgI_a6OLCOwqrbiVTaQNUDLiGyEY6A4iM&_rdr
i have a Millenium 1000 kit , hmmm the Hi-hats are so poor in quality last maybe three weeks , now have a Lemon so far so good
Hello. Sorry for the dumb question but does anybody know if this high hat is compatible with any alesis drum module? Thank you.
I showed it on the Alesis Strike in this video! Can't say for sure about others though.
Hi Luke, for TD17 user, which one you recommend between VH10 and this?
Wondering the same
Do the cymbals seem particularly sloppy to you? The video makes them look like they are traveling a lot.
I think it's more to do with my stand than anything else. The felt/tilter that it's sat on never stays completely flat. That said, the bottom plate does appear to be moving more than it did when I first set it up. It never feels wrong or bad though when playing.
Does anyone knows if this Hi Hats works with Alesis Surge Module?
Thanks in advanced
Open close seems to work much better than the Roland ones which suffer from this
do you know if this works without a Zourman module on a 2box Drumit Five? The hi hat has two outputs but the module only has 1 input.
I bought it on Amazon and after a month I have a started to have some problems, but Amazon told me that I can't have warranty after 30 days, so what do you recommend me?
I currently have a model that probably does not support this hi hat (an mps 1000 module). Are there any other ways to use hi than buying a completely new module?
I just got the eDrumin8 that I’ll be acquainting with soon, can I use one of the Roland hihat presets on these?
just curious ....
say , i have a 14 inch hi hat top ... could i use the 14 inch top , and the lemon bottom hat ? if not why ?
So how did this compare overall to the one piece hi hat setup ?
Hi Like, very nice review. I own an Alesis DM10 MK2 pro kit. I saw the alesis strike controller in the video. Would it work with the DM10 Controller? The output for the hi hat is one cable from the pedal and one cable from the hihat pad. Thanks
Hi! Thanks. Do you mean if the DM10 hi-hat controller is compatible with the Alesis Strike module? I assume so but I can't confirm it from experience as I've not used one myself.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I'm also interested in this, I own an Alesis DM10 MKII Pro kit, is it possible that this Lemon hi-hat fits my module, given that it fits the hi-hat from the Alesis Strike kit, since the module has an option to switch from the pedal to the pro x hi hat, which is hard to find now... I would be grateful for an answer...
Is it compatible with Alesis Command module?
Thanks for the review ☺. Is it worth getting this as a replacement for my Vh11 on a Td30 module? Also how noisy is this compared to a vh11? Many thanks in advance, happy drumming 🤘 🥁
I've not used a VH-11 for quite some time so I can't do a direct noise comparison, unfortunately. As I mentioned in this review, the sound of the two pads coming together is a bit louder than one-piece hi-hat solutions and the Lemon pads themselves are a touch louder than Roland's in my experience due to the thinner rubber on top. Whether it's worth getting this over a VH-11 really depends on why you would want to upgrade - is the VH-11 not doing the job well enough? The playing size of this and the VH-11 is the same (12 inches). There is a bit of a difference in feel due to the bottom plate but it's hard to say whether you'll find that worth it or not.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Really appreciate that :) Cheers!
Are these compatible with the Ddrum DDTI trigger interface?
Very, VERY good video! Does anyone know if this will work with Roland TD-20 ? Thanks!
I'm not entirely certain because I believe the TD-20 preceded the VH-13 hi-hats and doesn't have a setting for them? This might work with the VH-12 setting but I don't know for sure as I didn't test it myself. I would imagine you could at least get it working similarly to a VH-11/FD pedal with the washer if you used the FD pedal setting - the VH-11 and the FD-7/FD-8/FD-9 pedals all operate basically the same as far as I know. There won't be any specific settings for dealing with the pads clashing together though, other than the usual threshold etc. Unfortunately I can't confirm any of this myself, it's just my best guess based on what I do know!
Can this be used with Roland SPD SX Pro?
Hi Luke, have you had any issues with using the hats with the TD-17 module? The volume on mine are really low, and I can't seem to figure out why.
Hey. No, I've not run into any issues on the TD-17, once used with the rubber washer. That could be a trigger settings issue or it might be an instrument volume thing.
The easiest thing to check is that the instrument volume hasn't accidentally been turned down. You can check this under the Level setting. If it's definitely not this, try another pad in this input and see if the low volume still persists. If it does, try the trigger settings.
I found the Lemon hats to be "hotter" than Roland cymbals so normally it would be the opposite, but check that you're using the right pad preset and that sensitivity settings are set high enough that your harder hits are going up to the top of the trigger monitor graph (or reaching near to 127). If they're not, you might only be triggering low velocity sounds. If you can't get it to do this, there might be a physical issue with the pad.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi Luke, thank you so much for the detailed answer - which makes me sound even dumber when I say that the preset was assigned to some BRUSH hi-hat for some reason...changed it to a normal hat and it worked right away.
So far I'm really happy with the Lemon hats and I made the purchase based off of your excellent review! So thank you very much!
Can I use this hi-hat with a Roland TD-07?
Do these high hats work with an old Dtx 502 modules?
I don't know for certain but I don't *think* so. Yamaha hi-hats usually use a different controller type to Roland modules and they don't tend to be cross-compatible. Since this is a Roland-type controller, I don't believe it will work with any Yamaha modules.
Missed opportunity for 14"
A 12” hi-hat is so tiny. Do you know wether it would be possible to use a larger pad as the top piece?
I don't think it would be ideal to have a larger pad that overhangs the bottom plate, but I suppose it could possibly work. The main issue with swapping the top pad out at all is that most cymbal pads have chunky jack boxes on them. This gets in the way and stops you from being able to properly close the two pieces (I tried my 13" Yamaha cymbal and a Roland CY-12 and neither would shut properly). The top cymbal of this hi-hat has a thinner, more streamlined jack socket which is located in a better place for this use (like the Roland pads that it's clearly based on).
Can you share your settings for the edrumin?
i have a nuxdm-10, will it work with it?
Have they got triggers for the hi-hat stand so you can play hi-hat solos like Max Roach?
I'm sure you could get creative with the placement of a trigger like a Roland BT-1 for something like that!
Does it work with Yamaha DTX PRO ?
Luke, is it good enough for you to change your gigging setup?
I haven't gigged my eDrums for the last two years, so it's not a consideration I need to make at the moment. I would probably stick with my older setup of my PCY135 and FD7, purely because it's less equipment to carry.
Cool video. So this or VH-11? What are your thoughts?
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I guess it depends whether you want a two piece or one piece hi-hat! You can get more false triggers with a bottom plate, but you get a more satisfying change in response of the stick when the bottom plate pushes on the top (if you value that). Personally I'd probably use this over the VH-11 or VH-10 due to the price and feel.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks mate, much appreciated
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Well, that answered my question (VH-10 or this). I actually have the VH-10, but I've found that the closer to an acoustic hihat my eDrum has, the better for me. I know that it is completely not necessary (strictly speaking--i.e. everything can be controlled by an electronic pedal), but somehow, I need the mechanical response--especially if I'm keeping time with my hihat foot--even more so now that I've started playing acoustic drums...
As always thanks for the excellent review.
@@stevenreich8623 Maybe some good info for you to know. I just bought a VH-13, which is similar to the lemon HHC12, to upgrade from my VH-11, which is similar to your VH-10. My opinion is that the VH-11 is more predictable, consistent and faster on the open-closed controller side of things. The VH-13 feels a bit more realistic to play on the top but the difference is barely noticeable. I am currently switching between the VH-11 and VH-13 all the time but might to back to the VH-11 and keep the VH-13 as a spare (I do live gigs and like a spare of each component).
I would only recommend the 2-piece hats design if you want them for the looks. In your case, the Lemon hats have even more disadvantages over the VH-10 like the hotspot and questionable build-quality.
Long post but I thought this might me useful to you.
So this does work with the TD-17?
Anyone tested on the Roland TD-10?
How are we doing for the Lemons durability another year out from review?
So far they're still working fine, but admittedly I haven't used them extensively over that time. I spent a long time testing a different kit and I also have the VH-14D that I usually use when my Roland modules are set up, so I've only used it the Lemon cymbals now and again with other modules.
How do you get those tama cymbal mates to stay put on your cymbal rods? My cymbals are resting on threaded rods and no matter what I do they want stay on.
I have a couple of rods that they just don't seem to hold onto as well, especially if pressure gets exerted from below. But generally they just stay on most stands if I don't over or under tighten them, as long as they're 8mm posts.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks!
Funcionaría en un Roland Td 11?
Will this work with the Millennium MPS-1000 module/kit?
Unfortunately I have no experience with any Millennium kits so I couldn't say. Sorry!
how does it feel to hit? I have a vh13 and hitting feels terrible
Feels pretty similar to most electronic cymbals, to be honest. I've not used the VH-13 recently enough (or for long enough) to say whether the Lemon hats feel definitively better or worse than them.
Did you play with your sensitivity settings on vh-13. I did and the result was incredible!
@@campbeja001 wut? the response is fine. I'm talking about the feel of hitting it with a stick
Does it work with the Alesis Nitro Mesh kit?
Did you ever try? I ordered one and will be trying it on my nitro mesh kit. I’m sure it can only give me an open and closed signal and nothing in between, but I think it should work.
Thank you for this video. Would anyone know if this works with an Alesis Crimson 2 module?
Also interested by the answer.
It’s compatible with alesis dm10 module?
Unfortunately I don't have one to test it out. I would hope so since it works on the Strike but I have no way to confirm it, sorry.
does it works well with donner ded 400??
I've not used any Donner kits so I don't know, unfortunately. Sorry.
Compatible with a td11 module?
I imagine so but I've not tested it myself. The information I can give you is all in the video -
If you use the 3mm washer, the hi-hat can act like a VH-11 or VH-10.
If you don't, it will only act like a VH-13.
So depending on which of these controllers your module supports, you can work out how to use this hi-hat with your module. If you don't know, check what presets are available on it or look in the manual.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop it's possible to connect a vh-11 so I don't know if it's worth do the change with my cy5 to obtain a more realistic hihat, i don't know if the presets of the module gonna work, thanks for your info!
Ok, so if it supports the VH-11, it will have a VH-11 preset and should be able to support this hi-hat, as long as you use the 3mm washer with it.
Whether or not you think it will be worth swapping your CY-5 & foot controller to the LE-HHC12 is going to come down to personal preference. The actual open/close range will be the same, but you'll have the physical motion of the pad moving on a stand and the change of feel that you get from hitting a pad that's "free" compared to the more solid feel when you push down on the pedal. Some people find that to be worth the upgrade, some people don't! The actual sounds that you get from open to close on the module won't change either.
Roland td17
What about it? 😊
does this work with alesis nitro max kit?
Will this work with the Roland TD-4KX2?
*EDIT* - I probably should have looked in the manual! Apparently it does support the VH-11 hi-hat, so in theory the LE-HHC12 should work with that module as long as you use the washer like I showed in the video for the TD-17.
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To be honest, I'm not sure! I *think* it might work with the washer in the way that it works with the TD-17 like that because the VH-10/VH-11 pedals operate the same way that the foot controllers like the FD-8/FD-9 do, but I can't be certain as I don't have a TD-4 module to test it with. I'm not sure if that module has the full range of open/close sounds either.
What about TD-9? Works with that?
If the TD-9 can support the VH-11, this should work with the washer. My guess is that it can as the VH-11 is basically the same as an FD pedal, but I don't have a TD-9 to confirm myself.