snap on recently sued harbor freight over their dayton low profile jack for "copy right infringement" harbor freight sued back, come to find out the company that makes snap on's jack is the same one makes hf. snap on low profile jack is like $500 harbor freight is like $169
They might be made in the same factory but to different specs. I have and like the harbor freight line of stuff but quality is way different. You really need to do your own quality control and check over every tool you buy there.
Look, when you buy a re brand you end up paying the snap on price. They also do some rechargeable work lights, Chinese rebrand shit. 6 quid or 36 quid because it says snap on. Your Jack will be the same jack, trust me I work in engineering and we make stuff for people, it's the same machine making all the parts, because it still needs to work to safety standards that have been tested. You could make it cheaper by using nylon wheels instead of metal and not bother to deburr it as nicely and just spray it with cheap paint (one coat), but you still will get years of service out of it.
You only just scratched the surface of what is rebranded by snap on. But as you say, sometimes it is worth buying from the tool truck from a service and warranty point of view. I always buy my tools that I think may need to be warrantied from time to time off the tool truck.
You nailed it. Yes Snap-on does rebrand. There is more rebranded things on a Snap-on truck than you think tho. There is no way that 1 tool truck company can make everything. I use to work for a Snap-on franchisee till just a couple of months ago. It would blow people's minds if they knew just how much was rebranded. Once again you nailed it, great video!
I would be suspicious if one company made all the tools. Corporate would either need to be amazing at decentralizing or tool quality would suffer badly with lack of direct leadership. Small specialized companies tend to make better products for lower prices, so I'd have no problem buying a rebranded tool (although I'd rather buy the same tool with an off-brand for 1/4th the price.)
I love the old square handle snap-on screwdrivers. I found them rebranded by Williams Tool Co for 1/3 the price. Side by side they are exactly the same as the snap-on I own. The more I look at the Williams line the more it looks like snap-on for less money.
Thanks for the refresher course. Yep, the tool trucks are basically a service. They’ll get any tool brand in there in one form or another. Many small brands like to get their foot trough the door by exclusively offering it through the truck in the truck brand as well..
Snap off does rebrand quite a bit of stuff, but the main difference seems to be that they are more careful about what they rebrand. Some of the Made in China stuff that Mac tries to sell like their cheap line of pliers are no better than Harbor Freight's junk line of tools.
CarEnthusiast agreed specifically on your pliers comment, I have a Mac plier set and a snap on pliers set, night and day difference the snap on are far more rigid and stout without a doubt a superior tool. Now their axis ratchets hold their own with snap on , I have two Matco 88s ratchets and I put my mac 90 tooth axis ratchet or snap ones before my Matco ratchets. You just have to shop around till you get a feel of what to buy from who
And yet the same junk harbor freight tool still does the job the same as a 3x priced snap on tool specially a simple plier … harbor fright plier can still easily and effectively compress and pull a clamp off a hose 🤡
It’s because they are constantly buying out brands. They’ve really grown over the years and due to them buying other brands of tools they can make a lot of tools “in house”
Snap on click type torque wrenches? Made by Precision Instruments. You can buy them on Amazon for half the price with the same quality. And if you might need the head rebuilt? That part is snap on.
I just bought a pair of 6 inch knipex pliers wrenches from amazon and they were b grade fake ass trash....took em to the matco truck he laughed and handed me a new REAL pair...smh
A few years ago someone at my old job told me sunex makes the adv line of sockets for matco. Since then ive replaced my worn out 3/8 shallow 6 point sockets with a new sunex 3/8 set. Ive also picked up a 1/4 magnetic set and a 3/8 metric impact swivel socket set from sunex as well. The tolerances on these sunex sockets feel much tighter than my gearwrench sockets as well as my tektons & my harbor freight sets. I find myself reaching for the sunex sockets instead of my other stuff now. Really glad i decided to try out sunex and found something of great quality while saving money by not buying them from matco. I also have the gearwrench serpentine belt tool i got for $40 that matco sells the rebranded version of for $150!
Check out gray pneumatic as well. I like my GP stuff a little better than Sunex. Small details like where they cut corners... GP 3/8 8 and 10mm impact has better access onto fasteners.
@@maxwellclark7054 no problem. I mix and match both Sunex and Gray Pneumatic. I heard Gray Pneumatic warranty can depend where you buy it so just be careful of where you buy it if you get some Gray Pneumatic and you care about warranty.
I like MATCO tools their ratchets top notch, sockets as well as other tools no problems. I recently got their LONG Metric wrenches as well. MATCO is always well STOCKED and WARRANTY what they sell. Never had any problems with any tool truck warranties. It is all about SERVICING what you sell and they do a GREAT job. My time is worth more than chasing down some 'happenstance' crummy tool that breaks non-stop with a lifetime warranty as one needs a lifetime replacing it. Work is hard enough without a bunch of garbage tools.
LOL, some people cannot handle facts, it's all good, they can sit in the corner and cry and wonder why their life sucks. You're putting out good content and I appreciate the ability to wrench through other people while I sit here doing chemo today for 9 hrs. By the way, congrats to the gentleman that won the sockets the other day, I was kind of hoping I'd win them (obviously LOL), because I would have had you give them to the young man you have there in the shop that you did the cart tour on recently. I've got plenty of tools and had a good start, I find it very rewarding to help the young men coming up the maintenance world now. I've always enjoyed teaching and still go back to my old shop where I was the Service Manager (heavy duty driveline shop) and try to teach the young men what I can when they need it. Cheers
I’m not an auto mechanic, but a DIY shade tree guy. Watching this guy is awesome. He looks like he would kick my ass, I’m scared of him, but he is so damn knowledgeable.
Rebranding of tools is no secret; heck it takes place all the time. You name the industry, parts have been sold under various names for years. When I worked with AMC (yeah, one of the "big four" US automakers) Delco made most of the ignition parts as a OEM since the mid sixties or so and we'd get parts in a Delco box with a label glued on with a AMC group number and part number. Same with the Autolite parts that were in use in the ignition system and other places on earlier AMC products. The problem with the tool truck tools that are re-labeled such as the Irwin tap and die sets is that we the techs expect service when we pay extra for re-labeled items and/or a longer warranty on said item. If there is a change in the tool truck franchisee, sometimes we don't get the service we expect for the money that we spent. I've seen more than once where the franchisee has changed and the new tool truck owner won't warrant a tool and you end up either not getting any service or having to do a go around and deal with the customer service at the national level. As you have previously pointed out, a good tool truck owner can be a great help especially to techs just starting out by directing them to purchase tools only as needed and trying to keep people in the industry by not keeping them deeply in debt. I know one driver who told the youngster to buy a used Craftsman roll around to save money and see if he was going to stay in the industry or not. Now that is great advice and a smart tool truck owner. I have more or less re-tired these days, so what I now purchase is the original branded item, not a tool truck item. In some cases, I can get a replacement faster than waiting a week for the S/O or Mac T to show up and repair/replace something. Enjoy your videos, they are a great service especially to potential techs just starting out.
This man speaks the truth. I also have sold Mac Tools. Snap-on Tools. And various parts & equipment brands. Rebranding is SOP in the automotive repair aftermarket. Like he says: It's all about service.
Technically I wouldn’t call that rebranding in most cases. I would call that having a third party manufacture your tools for you. Rebranding would take the exact same tool and slap your label on it. The tap and die sets and drill bits sold by Snap-on seems to definitely be rebranding. However, someone making your ratchets or wrenches to your specifications isn’t really rebranding. It’s a third party manufacturer. Kind of like Foxcon is for Apple.
Best test light I use for diagnosing electrical faults and I use it everyday. Is from harbor freight. I noticed the rebranding game early in my career. Carlyle tools especially their wrenches look exactly like snapon flank drive and for the price are great wrenches. Great price as well
It’s a global economy these days. I laugh when people have a bad starter and complain about the car company who made the car. Most cars have denso starters in them. 🤷🏻♂️
The automaker has a say as to how much it is willing to pay for the part, the specs, and to a certain extent the design. Some automakers are more tempted to cut corners than others.
I wonder who makes Ford starters. Every Ford from the 90's to present sound the same when starting. Such a distinct noise that I can tell that's a Ford with out even lookingg
I bought a roll cab and top chest, branded by halfords(england), cost about £280 for both. Saw same set up on boyd coddingtons hot rod shop on t.v. made by craftsman, so i got an american made,beautiful quality tool box set up for real cheap. I did the checks,and they are identical in design,and quality, but mine was less than half the cost. Yep,rebranding exists, sometimes it pays to buy this stuff.
A lot of matco’s tools are rebranded sunex tools. Impact sockets being the main one. Sunex’s current heavy duty air hammer is one that used to be branded as a matco.
40+ years ago I remember if it said snap on it was almost certainly made by Snap on. Rebranded tools were branded Bluepoint. I'm sure some were contracted like shop equipment and some low volume specialty equipment of top shelf quality.Then in the late 80's I started seeing Bluepoint name changed to Snap on.
Great video nice to see someone putting out there that all snap on , Mac tools are not what you think your buying. So many apprentice think their buying this manufacturers tools and there just buying a rebranded tool with a massive price increase, I know if you have a decent tool rep you get great service and easy replacement if things go wrong but it’s never worth the extra cost. Keep up the good work.
Many years back I worked in Duluth MN and was using a pair of Diamond Tool diagnal wire cutters and was told they were junk and I needed to use Snap-on Blue Point cutters. Diamond Tool made Blue Point cutters.
My dad bought underware off the tool truck only to find out later the tool truck guy wore them while at a water park with his family and not changing them
Thanks for sharing. I’ve always been a fan of Matco over the others,most of my tools are older from when they were made in the USA and even then they were made by other companies. Their wrenches were made by an old company named Bonney.
Matco also sells matco branded knipex tools for like double the price. Only difference is the matco ones have matco engraved on them. Otherwise they still say that they’re made in germany and still have the knipex logo.
Very good video. Many people think Snap On makes everything but...... nope. Tool Truck Rebrand On Instagram shows all kinds of rebranded tools and who makes them and usually puts the price on there. Some of it will blow your mind at the HUGE price difference. Great video as always !
Guy at work has a snap on extractor set, i have the neiko one. Same exact sets but like 130$+ difference for them to slap a snap on sticker on the neiko extractor set.
I bought a ratcheting brake caliper press over a year ago, it was made by Lang. Snap-on had it labeled as Blue-point and listed for $95.00 on their website. Cornwell had it listed for $75.00 on their website. Amazon had it listed $65 on their website. I bought the press off the Cornwell truck to support the Rep's business over Amazon.
I think I read somewhere that the enhanced digital multimeter from snap on I have is made by some electronics company........ So you could say that is a rebranded tool........have a set of matco 10 ft long roll up test leads all it has a matco sticker but my friend has the same set and I forget who it's made by.....but right where that maco sticker is underneath it says something else on his set of test leads............. To me it comes down to durability and the service of the tool company gives me👍👍👍👍
Hey, I guess you cant blame them for all using allot of the same manufacturers just to be rebranded. I think for them, its a win win. Pretty damn smart to all be in it to win it.
Last time I bought Matco they were owned by Danaher Tools, who also made Craftsman's hard line tools. That said, I can't see much quality difference in much of Harbor Freight's hard line anymore, the Taiwanese tools (Crescent, etc) have been good for a long time.
It used to be you could tell the difference between rebranded and in-house by weather said snap-on or blue point on it. Blue point being the rebranded stuff. Unfortunately that's not the case anymore.
I've seen a set of Snap On wrenches brand new off the truck unopened with a Mac wrench as one of them. Durr. Also the only wrenches I've seen break more often are Snap On wrenches. There is nothing magical about Snap On tools except the price which they pull out of their ass.
They might be made in the same factory but to different specs. I don't buy tool truck stuff but the tools aren't the same. They use better materials and don't let flaw slide through like some stuff they make for others. I worked at a refrigerator factory and if a flaw came down the line they'd stop the line ask who it's for and if it was for a top of the line manufacturer they'd fix, scrap, or send them to the lower end company. If it was lower end they'd let it ride
Everyone rebrands , just a small example blue point spraygun sold by snapnon , is just a sharpe finex 3000. Maybe not everything is rebranded but a lot of it is.
Cle-Line makes Snap On's drill bits. If you have a pair of Snap On work gloves, if you will fold them inside out you will see the Machanix name on the tab. Snap On's floor jack is the exact same as a Harbor Freight Daytona floor jack (they tried to sue Harbor Freight over that one). I've been told by multiple sources that those DeWalt ratchets sold at Tractor Supply Co. have the same internal gears as a Mac Tools ratchet (I admit I've never tried to rundown to see if that's true or not). The Blue Point Jump box is sold at NAPA under the name "Blue Fuel". . . .Also, Klein Tools sells their screwdriver shafts to about a dozen different tool companies and then those companies just put their own handle on it.
if you run the patten numbers on the two largest harbour freight tool boxes, they come back as a snap on patten. So intead of designing a box HF took an outdated snap on design and made it in china.. They are not bad for what they are... the paint and latches are not snap on quality but they are a quarter of the price and seem to hold up I am in and out of mine all day long and its made it 5 years...
The pwz pliers are made by bahco and the bahco branded ones are lile a 1/4 of the price. Their files are made in portugal bu someone and their new blow gun and air assist coolant flush gun are made by airboy in denmark
Thanks for making this video. As you inferred, Apex, Lang, and Lisle make a ton of products for many including Snap-On, Matco, MAC, and on. One note: It's A & J Manufacturing as opposed to AJ Manufacturing. Unless a person just has to have the "Name," I don't know why someone would pay Snap On prices for the ubiquitous Rethreading Kit, rebranded by everyone and even sold by Craftsman for about $50 in the mid 2000s. I do miss the days when Danaher was making Matco, Craftsman, Armstrong tools, then they combined with Cooper Industries and formed Apex Tool Group Since then it has continued to spiral downward with less and less manufactured in the U.S. It does seem like Stanley Black & Decker may be on their way to more U.S. made tools under MAC, DeWalt, Craftsman, and Irwin tools. However in my opinion the "Made In USA of Global Materials" is a Con.
Thank you for doing this video. So many people are such Homers they can't accept it - especially those drinking the Snap-On kool-aide. One minor correction: Apex Tool Group didn't own Matco, Matco owned Danaher (Who also made Armstrong/Craftsman core tools) which then Danaher left Marco and formed a new company with Apex tools in 2010 to form Apex Tool Group . That Rethreading kit was once rebranded by Craftsman and sold for 1/4 the price of the Snap-On. Thanks again.
Excellent presentation! YOU NAILED IT SHUT! Question. I saw a video bout the Snap On Rock n Roll truck. A guy was interested in a $35K toolbox set up. The sales guy said, if he ran the deal through Snap On credit, and got a coupon the price would be $19K. Does that mean the ONLY BIG DEALS you can make w/Snap On MUST GO THROUGH THEIR CREDIT DEPT? Thanks for your time and reply.
Yeah well Snap-On made all those blow molded cases though Mike🤭🤭🤭 I fix cars daily with my endless blow molded cases! Classic FRM VID, you just had to stir that pot didn't you 🙃
It is about SERVICE you get your tools warrantied and they come to YOU. Tool manufacturers employee HUNDREDS of thousands of workers from steel, plating, on & on SKILLED jobs with good pay. All of the ones who constantly bash on made in USA do not like the country there is others you can move to.
1995 i welded a 80 gal up right tank air tank by the way welded 100 a day at devilbiss air power in Jackson , tn on the way out of the plant one day snap on air compressors are be loaded on trucks that was my first welding job being a 1994 high school grad i didn't know i was welding snap on compressors i stole 2 stickers to put on my to box . rebrand now i understand
I don't really care who rebrands as long as the quality is good. I will often look for the same item with a different badge if the price is much cheaper though. It's really not sustainable for a tool company to start up a new facility to make just a few things. *USA Snap On hammers ---made by Trusty Cook *CDI makes the torque wrenches but Snap On owns them. The other type of torque wrench with the side dial adjustment are made by Precision Instruments which are very nice. * Any of the USA made Williams sockets/wrenches/ratchets are basically Snap On and are of excellent quality. I believe Snap On bought them out in the early '90s. First generation USA Kobalt tools were made by JH Williams/Snap On. These came in gray plastic cases. That was the best era for Kobalt tools hands down.
Waited almost 3 months for a snap air palm sander rebuild kit. Some part in my new snap on palm sander broke. After complaining about the wait every week when the truck showed up, dealer walks in with a big smile. Puts down the rebuild kit on my bench. Sioux palm sander rebuild kit? Looked it up, sure enough same internals BUT the Sioux had a way more comfortable grip. Oddly enough both sold for the same amount? Odd that snap on can buy it from Sioux and still sell it at Sioux price? Guess they got a deal by ordering a bunch.
There is lots of branding shenanigans with tools (and basically everything else) I do as much research as possible before buying stuff. Nothing wrong with buying a brand you like BUT I am a person more concerned with if the tool is effective etc... I don't care who's brand it is under as long as it is the best deal for that particular tool.
They are horrible. Spent out the wazu for them and they went dull or broke in a hurry. I buy my bits from a local locksmith. Don't know who his supplier is, but they are impressive.
Actually on their air tools snap on used to ASSEMBLE thye components I know in the 90' and early 2k's they purchased their components from IR (ingersoll rand)
I don't consider a tool made by another company a "rebrand" if it's an exclusive product you can't get anywhere else. I consider it a rebrand if you can get the EXACT same product under another name.
As you said the tool truck is selling service and quality. It shouldn't matter if it's rebranded if it's a quality tool and the tool truck company stands behind it. In today's corporate world everything revolves around profit. Corporations don't care about us consumers. All they care about is the bottom line.
KEEP UP THE GREAT VIDEOS ALL OF THE TOOL TRUCKS RE-BRAND (EVERYONE DOES IT TO SOME EXTENT) NO MATTER WHAT MARKET YOU ARE IN MY CORNWELL DEALER HAS EVEN WENT AS FAR AS BUYING A HARBOR FREIGHT BOX TO SELL TO ONE OF THE GUYS IN MY SHOP (AS HE WAS JUST STARTING OUT) OF COARSE HE MARKED IT UP TO MAKE A LITTLE COIN ON THE DEAL AND KEPT THE PAYMENTS ON THE TRUCK TALK ABOUT SERVICE. I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THE TECH MAKES THE TOOL WORK NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND USE WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHAT FEELS GOOD TO YOU
Oh yeah, bought a prybar rack for my tool cart and the color didnt match, so I was like WTF...Paid $190 for it and later found the same prybar rack online for $40...that's why the color didn't match...I'm still PO'd
Great video. I learned quite a bit rebranding from your video. Didn’t know MATCO rebranded just about everything. Did know Irwin was the manufacture for tap and die sets for everyone. I still buy tools 🧰 from the tool truck for their services. Keep the videos coming.
Mac makes alot of stuff also proto is a big manufacturer and also owned under Stanley mac as well as facom but that's france.....matco and cornwell are the biggest rebrands tool trucks.
Sorry but I disagree. Mac at this point doesn’t have any manufacturing plants for tools. All their hardline (sockets, wrenches, punches, ratchets etc.) are made by Stanley owned sister company’s to Mac. Cornwell is a hand tool manufacturer. They make ratchets, extensions, sockets, wrenches, pry bars, punches and chisels etc in their plant in Ohio. Their name is on the sign out front and has been owned by the same family for decades. They also only make Cornwell tools in there and no one else’s brand gets stamped on anything. Sure they sell a ton of rebranded stuff but they’re not the worst offender by any means. Matco holds that crown all alone.
@@bowtieguy6870 sounds good buddy I appreciate your disagreement but have to disagree with your disagreement because Mac is owned by Stanley Proto parent company to Mac Tools the sister company are made in the same Factory not in the same tooling I've been there and actually seen it being done. And cornwell foundry is in Albion Pennsylvania that's the majority of there hardline product is made as well.
Thanks for the reply and respect. I’m not saying Mac USA made stuff is bad in fact I think it’s good. I don’t think it’s the same as Stanley’s other brands but the plant in Dallas is not a Mac tools plant it is a Stanley/Proto plant and makes many different brands. The Mac tools division of Stanley has no tool plants. They contract with Stanley/Proto to make products to their specs with their brand on it. Mac used to make their own stuff in Ohio but Stanley shut all that down I think in the nineties. Mac today is much like Matco was under Danaher. The mothership makes the product and sells it to other divisions. Would you say matco is a manufacturer just because the parent company is/was? Cornwell owns their plants and as you said the forging facility is in Albion PA. Rough forging is done there then everything is sent to Ohio for finishing. They only make cornwell tools in those plants. The employees in those plants work for cornwell tools. I understand your point of view but between the two their is only one tool manufacturer.
Right on with my comment on the last video from most rebatabding to least rebranding matco Cornwell Mac snap on. If a company is a division of another company or owned by like in the case of Stanley I would not consider it re branding
Most things made these days is rebranded. That does for anything and everything. You're not going to have a bunch of factories making the same thing. To keep costs down, you focus on a area and nass produce those things and rebrand to who you are selling to and then it's sold to the customer. We do the same at the food factory I work at. We have out own brand and we're now currently moving in more of that direction. But we would bag our product in their bags to be sold by them. It's like Foxconn not only ing building iPhones, but products for hundreds of other companies. Which is why a million people for for that company. Rebranding is not the big deal, quality of the product overall is what matters.
snap on recently sued harbor freight over their dayton low profile jack for "copy right infringement" harbor freight sued back, come to find out the company that makes snap on's jack is the same one makes hf. snap on low profile jack is like $500 harbor freight is like $169
They might be made in the same factory but to different specs. I have and like the harbor freight line of stuff but quality is way different. You really need to do your own quality control and check over every tool you buy there.
@@raabsand LOL this guy. The jacks are identical.. Specs are not different. Compare a daytona 3ton to the snap on 3 ton you wont find any differences.
@@trmclaren What he is saying is that the HF one may have laxer tolerances vs Snap on
@@THEGAMINGHELP101Highly doubt it.
Look, when you buy a re brand you end up paying the snap on price. They also do some rechargeable work lights, Chinese rebrand shit. 6 quid or 36 quid because it says snap on. Your Jack will be the same jack, trust me I work in engineering and we make stuff for people, it's the same machine making all the parts, because it still needs to work to safety standards that have been tested. You could make it cheaper by using nylon wheels instead of metal and not bother to deburr it as nicely and just spray it with cheap paint (one coat), but you still will get years of service out of it.
You only just scratched the surface of what is rebranded by snap on. But as you say, sometimes it is worth buying from the tool truck from a service and warranty point of view. I always buy my tools that I think may need to be warrantied from time to time off the tool truck.
You nailed it. Yes Snap-on does rebrand. There is more rebranded things on a Snap-on truck than you think tho. There is no way that 1 tool truck company can make everything. I use to work for a Snap-on franchisee till just a couple of months ago. It would blow people's minds if they knew just how much was rebranded. Once again you nailed it, great video!
I would be suspicious if one company made all the tools. Corporate would either need to be amazing at decentralizing or tool quality would suffer badly with lack of direct leadership. Small specialized companies tend to make better products for lower prices, so I'd have no problem buying a rebranded tool (although I'd rather buy the same tool with an off-brand for 1/4th the price.)
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I love the old square handle snap-on screwdrivers. I found them rebranded by Williams Tool Co for 1/3 the price. Side by side they are exactly the same as the snap-on I own. The more I look at the Williams line the more it looks like snap-on for less money.
Thanks for the refresher course. Yep, the tool trucks are basically a service. They’ll get any tool brand in there in one form or another. Many small brands like to get their foot trough the door by exclusively offering it through the truck in the truck brand as well..
Matco and Mac use be together until 1979.Matco stood for Mac Allied Tools Corporetion
last time I almost took a mac ratchet to a matco truck😂
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Snap off does rebrand quite a bit of stuff, but the main difference seems to be that they are more careful about what they rebrand. Some of the Made in China stuff that Mac tries to sell like their cheap line of pliers are no better than Harbor Freight's junk line of tools.
CarEnthusiast agreed specifically on your pliers comment, I have a Mac plier set and a snap on pliers set, night and day difference the snap on are far more rigid and stout without a doubt a superior tool. Now their axis ratchets hold their own with snap on , I have two Matco 88s ratchets and I put my mac 90 tooth axis ratchet or snap ones before my Matco ratchets. You just have to shop around till you get a feel of what to buy from who
And yet the same junk harbor freight tool still does the job the same as a 3x priced snap on tool specially a simple plier … harbor fright plier can still easily and effectively compress and pull a clamp off a hose 🤡
I feel like snap on is starting to rebrand more and more.
They are
its the corporate way to increase profits that go to international investors instead of the workers
I feel like snap on charges $55 for a frickin 1/4 impact swivel adapter and have lost they're damn mind and for some reason i bought it anyway.
It’s because they are constantly buying out brands. They’ve really grown over the years and due to them buying other brands of tools they can make a lot of tools “in house”
Snap on click type torque wrenches? Made by Precision Instruments. You can buy them on Amazon for half the price with the same quality. And if you might need the head rebuilt? That part is snap on.
Snap-on torque wrenches are made by CDI, a company they own.
Now I'm not sure, I'm reading this on the internet, so both of you are right?
I just bought a pair of 6 inch knipex pliers wrenches from amazon and they were b grade fake ass trash....took em to the matco truck he laughed and handed me a new REAL pair...smh
A few years ago someone at my old job told me sunex makes the adv line of sockets for matco. Since then ive replaced my worn out 3/8 shallow 6 point sockets with a new sunex 3/8 set. Ive also picked up a 1/4 magnetic set and a 3/8 metric impact swivel socket set from sunex as well. The tolerances on these sunex sockets feel much tighter than my gearwrench sockets as well as my tektons & my harbor freight sets. I find myself reaching for the sunex sockets instead of my other stuff now. Really glad i decided to try out sunex and found something of great quality while saving money by not buying them from matco. I also have the gearwrench serpentine belt tool i got for $40 that matco sells the rebranded version of for $150!
Check out gray pneumatic as well. I like my GP stuff a little better than Sunex. Small details like where they cut corners... GP 3/8 8 and 10mm impact has better access onto fasteners.
@@kyl3dr thanks for the tip I'll check them out. Never owned one of their sets yet.
@@maxwellclark7054 no problem. I mix and match both Sunex and Gray Pneumatic. I heard Gray Pneumatic warranty can depend where you buy it so just be careful of where you buy it if you get some Gray Pneumatic and you care about warranty.
Snap-on PWZ pliers, BAHCO. Snap-on butane soldering irons, Portasol. I can go on and on. Learned a lot during my time as a Snap-on dealer.
Bahco is owned by snap on though,so that one isn't so much a rebrand.
@@PatChapp I'm fully aware. It still is 100% a rebrand though.
I like MATCO tools their ratchets top notch, sockets as well as other tools no problems. I recently got their LONG Metric wrenches as well. MATCO is always well STOCKED and WARRANTY what they sell. Never had any problems with any tool truck warranties. It is all about SERVICING what you sell and they do a GREAT job. My time is worth more than chasing down some 'happenstance' crummy tool that breaks non-stop with a lifetime warranty as one needs a lifetime replacing it. Work is hard enough without a bunch of garbage tools.
LOL, some people cannot handle facts, it's all good, they can sit in the corner and cry and wonder why their life sucks. You're putting out good content and I appreciate the ability to wrench through other people while I sit here doing chemo today for 9 hrs.
By the way, congrats to the gentleman that won the sockets the other day, I was kind of hoping I'd win them (obviously LOL), because I would have had you give them to the young man you have there in the shop that you did the cart tour on recently. I've got plenty of tools and had a good start, I find it very rewarding to help the young men coming up the maintenance world now. I've always enjoyed teaching and still go back to my old shop where I was the Service Manager (heavy duty driveline shop) and try to teach the young men what I can when they need it.
Cheers
This was insightful, I would like matco to sell in the uk. The tool boxes are so nice.
Mike - you are going to give a few fanboys an aneurysm! Love the video, more please!
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I’m not an auto mechanic, but a DIY shade tree guy. Watching this guy is awesome. He looks like he would kick my ass, I’m scared of him, but he is so damn knowledgeable.
Rebranding of tools is no secret; heck it takes place all the time. You name the industry, parts have been sold under various names for years. When I worked with AMC (yeah, one of the "big four" US automakers) Delco made most of the ignition parts as a OEM since the mid sixties or so and we'd get parts in a Delco box with a label glued on with a AMC group number and part number. Same with the Autolite parts that were in use in the ignition system and other places on earlier AMC products.
The problem with the tool truck tools that are re-labeled such as the Irwin tap and die sets is that we the techs expect service when we pay extra for re-labeled items and/or a longer warranty on said item. If there is a change in the tool truck franchisee, sometimes we don't get the service we expect for the money that we spent. I've seen more than once where the franchisee has changed and the new tool truck owner won't warrant a tool and you end up either not getting any service or having to do a go around and deal with the customer service at the national level.
As you have previously pointed out, a good tool truck owner can be a great help especially to techs just starting out by directing them to purchase tools only as needed and trying to keep people in the industry by not keeping them deeply in debt. I know one driver who told the youngster to buy a used Craftsman roll around to save money and see if he was going to stay in the industry or not. Now that is great advice and a smart tool truck owner.
I have more or less re-tired these days, so what I now purchase is the original branded item, not a tool truck item. In some cases, I can get a replacement faster than waiting a week for the S/O or Mac T to show up and repair/replace something. Enjoy your videos, they are a great service especially to potential techs just starting out.
For Me It's More About the Dealer. I've Had the Same Matco Dealer Since 92. All The Rest Come & go
I bought a matco tap and die set..... One of the taps has both a matco and snapon logo etched on it. So its obviously made in the same building
This man speaks the truth. I also have sold Mac Tools. Snap-on Tools. And various parts & equipment brands. Rebranding is SOP in the automotive repair aftermarket. Like he says: It's all about service.
There are a lot of bluepoint, essentially snapon, tools that are rebrands lisle tools. The creepers, the hose cutters, the hood props, etc.
Technically I wouldn’t call that rebranding in most cases. I would call that having a third party manufacture your tools for you. Rebranding would take the exact same tool and slap your label on it. The tap and die sets and drill bits sold by Snap-on seems to definitely be rebranding. However, someone making your ratchets or wrenches to your specifications isn’t really rebranding. It’s a third party manufacturer. Kind of like Foxcon is for Apple.
Best test light I use for diagnosing electrical faults and I use it everyday. Is from harbor freight. I noticed the rebranding game early in my career. Carlyle tools especially their wrenches look exactly like snapon flank drive and for the price are great wrenches. Great price as well
That rethread kit is pretty much rebranded by everybody. BUT its a lifesaver and an amazing set so whoever you buy it off. Your goldern
It’s a global economy these days. I laugh when people have a bad starter and complain about the car company who made the car. Most cars have denso starters in them. 🤷🏻♂️
The automaker has a say as to how much it is willing to pay for the part, the specs, and to a certain extent the design. Some automakers are more tempted to cut corners than others.
I wonder who makes Ford starters. Every Ford from the 90's to present sound the same when starting. Such a distinct noise that I can tell that's a Ford with out even lookingg
I bought a roll cab and top chest, branded by halfords(england), cost about £280 for both. Saw same set up on boyd coddingtons hot rod shop on t.v. made by craftsman, so i got an american made,beautiful quality tool box set up for real cheap. I did the checks,and they are identical in design,and quality, but mine was less than half the cost. Yep,rebranding exists, sometimes it pays to buy this stuff.
Those old Lincoln/Snap on floor jacks, identical.
Well Wranglerstar did a video few weeks ago or restoring an old Snap On Jack, had Lincoln stamped right on it
Snap-on lists Lincoln on their website as one of their brands.
Oops. I think I confused Lincoln with Kansas. Sorry. They're both somewhere in the Midwest. LOL.
A lot of matco’s tools are rebranded sunex tools. Impact sockets being the main one. Sunex’s current heavy duty air hammer is one that used to be branded as a matco.
40+ years ago I remember if it said snap on it was almost certainly made by Snap on. Rebranded tools were branded Bluepoint. I'm sure some were contracted like shop equipment and some low volume specialty equipment of top shelf quality.Then in the late 80's I started seeing Bluepoint name changed to Snap on.
I was unaware that this wasn’t common knowledge. “Thanks for posting, you are... the flat rate master” 👍🏻🇺🇸😂
Great video nice to see someone putting out there that all snap on , Mac tools are not what you think your buying. So many apprentice think their buying this manufacturers tools and there just buying a rebranded tool with a massive price increase, I know if you have a decent tool rep you get great service and easy replacement if things go wrong but it’s never worth the extra cost. Keep up the good work.
Many years back I worked in Duluth MN and was using a pair of Diamond Tool diagnal wire cutters and was told they were junk and I needed to use Snap-on Blue Point cutters. Diamond Tool made Blue Point cutters.
My dad bought underware off the tool truck only to find out later the tool truck guy wore them while at a water park with his family and not changing them
Thanks for the video! I always try and get the original brand. The matco hammers are trusty cook but, the matco warranty is better
They only thing Snap-on tools makes is more money. They're soooo Damned expensive.
Thanks for sharing.
I’ve always been a fan of Matco over the others,most of my tools are older from when they were made in the USA and even then they were made by other companies. Their wrenches were made by an old company named Bonney.
Matco also sells matco branded knipex tools for like double the price. Only difference is the matco ones have matco engraved on them. Otherwise they still say that they’re made in germany and still have the knipex logo.
A ton of snap on is rebranded sp tools as well.
Very good video. Many people think Snap On makes everything but...... nope. Tool Truck Rebrand On Instagram shows all kinds of rebranded tools and who makes them and usually puts the price on there. Some of it will blow your mind at the HUGE price difference. Great video as always !
Guy at work has a snap on extractor set, i have the neiko one. Same exact sets but like 130$+ difference for them to slap a snap on sticker on the neiko extractor set.
matco air tools/impacts are typically re-branded ingersol rand. they also re-brand sunex and gear wrench tools.
Matco impacts are no longer IR they are mostly made by PTP, fyi no rebrands of gearwrench, their wrenches are made by Kabo in Taiwan
the Strap-on jack is a rebranded Harbor Freight daytona yellow jack.
I bought a ratcheting brake caliper press over a year ago, it was made by Lang. Snap-on had it labeled as Blue-point and listed for $95.00 on their website. Cornwell had it listed for $75.00 on their website. Amazon had it listed $65 on their website. I bought the press off the Cornwell truck to support the Rep's business over Amazon.
I think I read somewhere that the enhanced digital multimeter from snap on I have is made by some electronics company........ So you could say that is a rebranded tool........have a set of matco 10 ft long roll up test leads all it has a matco sticker but my friend has the same set and I forget who it's made by.....but right where that maco sticker is underneath it says something else on his set of test leads............. To me it comes down to durability and the service of the tool company gives me👍👍👍👍
Hey, I guess you cant blame them for all using allot of the same manufacturers just to be rebranded. I think for them, its a win win. Pretty damn smart to all be in it to win it.
Buy hf box
Remove he sticker and install snap on sticker
Job done save big buck
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SnapOn punches & chisels are made by Mayhew, hold them in your hand and compare them side by side.
Yep. They all do it. They use Knipex, Lisle and more.
My Williams ratchet that's twenty some years old takes a snap on rebuild kit.
Why give this video a thumbs down lol people can’t handle the truth?
Didn't Jack Nicholson tell you this in a Few Good Men????
There must be some haters out there
Fanbois tend to wear their feelings on their blouses...
@@HardKnocksForge LoL
I would like to think its a mistake but who knows
Told people this for years and got the same response. Good video.
Last time I bought Matco they were owned by Danaher Tools, who also made Craftsman's hard line tools. That said, I can't see much quality difference in much of Harbor Freight's hard line anymore, the Taiwanese tools (Crescent, etc) have been good for a long time.
It used to be you could tell the difference between rebranded and in-house by weather said snap-on or blue point on it. Blue point being the rebranded stuff. Unfortunately that's not the case anymore.
I've seen a set of Snap On wrenches brand new off the truck unopened with a Mac wrench as one of them. Durr. Also the only wrenches I've seen break more often are Snap On wrenches. There is nothing magical about Snap On tools except the price which they pull out of their ass.
Good video .
I knew a lot was rebranded but i didnt know about the extentions.
Thank you.
Almost all the Air Conditioning equip offered by the tool trucks are rebranded Mastercool or Robinair.
They might be made in the same factory but to different specs. I don't buy tool truck stuff but the tools aren't the same. They use better materials and don't let flaw slide through like some stuff they make for others. I worked at a refrigerator factory and if a flaw came down the line they'd stop the line ask who it's for and if it was for a top of the line manufacturer they'd fix, scrap, or send them to the lower end company. If it was lower end they'd let it ride
Everyone rebrands , just a small example blue point spraygun sold by snapnon , is just a sharpe finex 3000.
Maybe not everything is rebranded but a lot of it is.
Great video FRM. All the trucks do it some are more upfront about it than others.
Cle-Line makes Snap On's drill bits. If you have a pair of Snap On work gloves, if you will fold them inside out you will see the Machanix name on the tab. Snap On's floor jack is the exact same as a Harbor Freight Daytona floor jack (they tried to sue Harbor Freight over that one). I've been told by multiple sources that those DeWalt ratchets sold at Tractor Supply Co. have the same internal gears as a Mac Tools ratchet (I admit I've never tried to rundown to see if that's true or not). The Blue Point Jump box is sold at NAPA under the name "Blue Fuel". . . .Also, Klein Tools sells their screwdriver shafts to about a dozen different tool companies and then those companies just put their own handle on it.
Snap on pwz adjustable pipe wrench pliers are also not made by snap on. Can’t remember the company that makes them for them.
if you run the patten numbers on the two largest harbour freight tool boxes, they come back as a snap on patten. So intead of designing a box HF took an outdated snap on design and made it in china.. They are not bad for what they are... the paint and latches are not snap on quality but they are a quarter of the price and seem to hold up I am in and out of mine all day long and its made it 5 years...
Snap On magnetic lights - Maxxeon, Hammers - trusty cook, vice grips - bahco, etc..
Yea basically non-hand tools are outsourced... main thing is to be careful and buy the best tool for the money/job no matter who makes it.
The pwz pliers are made by bahco and the bahco branded ones are lile a 1/4 of the price. Their files are made in portugal bu someone and their new blow gun and air assist coolant flush gun are made by airboy in denmark
Thanks for making this video. As you inferred, Apex, Lang, and Lisle make a ton of products for many including Snap-On, Matco, MAC, and on. One note: It's A & J Manufacturing as opposed to AJ Manufacturing.
Unless a person just has to have the "Name," I don't know why someone would pay Snap On prices for the ubiquitous Rethreading Kit, rebranded by everyone and even sold by Craftsman for about $50 in the mid 2000s.
I do miss the days when Danaher was making Matco, Craftsman, Armstrong tools, then they combined with Cooper Industries and formed Apex Tool Group Since then it has continued to spiral downward with less and less manufactured in the U.S.
It does seem like Stanley Black & Decker may be on their way to more U.S. made tools under MAC, DeWalt, Craftsman, and Irwin tools. However in my opinion the "Made In USA of Global Materials" is a Con.
A lot of Snap-on's A/C tools are made by Mastercool.
I think mastercool makes pretty much everyones ac stuff now
Thank you for doing this video. So many people are such Homers they can't accept it - especially those drinking the Snap-On kool-aide. One minor correction: Apex Tool Group didn't own Matco, Matco owned Danaher (Who also made Armstrong/Craftsman core tools) which then Danaher left Marco and formed a new company with Apex tools in 2010 to form Apex Tool Group . That Rethreading kit was once rebranded by Craftsman and sold for 1/4 the price of the Snap-On. Thanks again.
Danaher owned both Matco and Apex, Matco is now a division of Fortive
Excellent presentation! YOU NAILED IT SHUT! Question. I saw a video bout the Snap On Rock n Roll truck. A guy was interested in a $35K toolbox set up. The sales guy said, if he ran the deal through Snap On credit, and got a coupon the price would be $19K. Does that mean the ONLY BIG DEALS you can make w/Snap On MUST GO THROUGH THEIR CREDIT DEPT? Thanks for your time and reply.
Snap on credit does a bunch of rebates, but you can go other sources and still get a very good price too
@@flatratemaster Thanks much for responding.
I love it. I love it when you bring out the truth.
Their torque wrenches are made by Precision Instruments.
Yeah well Snap-On made all those blow molded cases though Mike🤭🤭🤭
I fix cars daily with my endless blow molded cases!
Classic FRM VID, you just had to stir that pot didn't you 🙃
I gotta say this is the best comment I've read in a long time I was laughing so hard at this lol
@@blazebox71 😂👍
Lol. I'm not covinced they even. Make the case 😂😂😂😂😂😂
So true. There are a couple of websites that show who makes which tools for who. Like those nice dead blow hammers Snappy sells, made by Trusty-Cook.
It is about SERVICE you get your tools warrantied and they come to YOU. Tool manufacturers employee HUNDREDS of thousands of workers from steel, plating, on & on SKILLED jobs with good pay. All of the ones who constantly bash on made in USA do not like the country there is others you can move to.
1995 i welded a 80 gal up right tank air tank by the way welded 100 a day at devilbiss air power in Jackson , tn on the way out of the plant one day snap on air compressors are be loaded on trucks that was my first welding job being a 1994 high school grad i didn't know i was welding snap on compressors i stole 2 stickers to put on my to box . rebrand now i understand
I don't really care who rebrands as long as the quality is good. I will often look for the same item with a different badge if the price is much cheaper though. It's really not sustainable for a tool company to start up a new facility to make just a few things.
*USA Snap On hammers ---made by Trusty Cook
*CDI makes the torque wrenches but Snap On owns them. The other type of torque wrench with the side dial adjustment are made by Precision Instruments which are very nice.
* Any of the USA made Williams sockets/wrenches/ratchets are basically Snap On and are of excellent quality. I believe Snap On bought them out in the early '90s. First generation USA Kobalt tools were made by JH Williams/Snap On. These came in gray plastic cases. That was the best era for Kobalt tools hands down.
Waited almost 3 months for a snap air palm sander rebuild kit. Some part in my new snap on palm sander broke. After complaining about the wait every week when the truck showed up, dealer walks in with a big smile. Puts down the rebuild kit on my bench. Sioux palm sander rebuild kit? Looked it up, sure enough same internals BUT the Sioux had a way more comfortable grip. Oddly enough both sold for the same amount? Odd that snap on can buy it from Sioux and still sell it at Sioux price? Guess they got a deal by ordering a bunch.
They own Sioux
Flat Rate Master - ok, didn’t know that. This was about 25 yrs ago.
Check out the VIM wire strippers and crimpers. They are the exact tool that snap on sells.
Informative. Never knew mac tools was Stanley.
Stanley black and decker owns half the industry go look at the corporate site some times
If you wanna light some fires bring up where snap on makes some of their electric tools
The snap on fanatics will explode
PatChapp it’s right there on the label. MADE IN CHINA 😂
Snap on definitely rebrands. The fluid extractor is mightyvac and extractors are Irwin.
There is lots of branding shenanigans with tools (and basically everything else) I do as much research as possible before buying stuff. Nothing wrong with buying a brand you like BUT I am a person more concerned with if the tool is effective etc... I don't care who's brand it is under as long as it is the best deal for that particular tool.
I returned the thunderbolt drill bits. First time using them they chipped . JUNK
They are horrible. Spent out the wazu for them and they went dull or broke in a hurry. I buy my bits from a local locksmith. Don't know who his supplier is, but they are impressive.
Precision instruments makes the split beams and i think the digital torque wrenches. So look at their website for a cheaper split beam
Snap-on a/c machines are made by Robinair. And cost almost double.
Actually on their air tools snap on used to ASSEMBLE thye components I know in the 90' and early 2k's they purchased their components from IR (ingersoll rand)
I don't consider a tool made by another company a "rebrand" if it's an exclusive product you can't get anywhere else. I consider it a rebrand if you can get the EXACT same product under another name.
As you said the tool truck is selling service and quality. It shouldn't matter if it's rebranded if it's a quality tool and the tool truck company stands behind it. In today's corporate world everything revolves around profit. Corporations don't care about us consumers. All they care about is the bottom line.
KEEP UP THE GREAT VIDEOS ALL OF THE TOOL TRUCKS RE-BRAND (EVERYONE DOES IT TO SOME EXTENT) NO MATTER WHAT MARKET YOU ARE IN MY CORNWELL DEALER HAS EVEN WENT AS FAR AS BUYING A HARBOR FREIGHT BOX TO SELL TO ONE OF THE GUYS IN MY SHOP (AS HE WAS JUST STARTING OUT) OF COARSE HE MARKED IT UP TO MAKE A LITTLE COIN ON THE DEAL AND KEPT THE PAYMENTS ON THE TRUCK TALK ABOUT SERVICE. I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THE TECH MAKES THE TOOL WORK NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND USE WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHAT FEELS GOOD TO YOU
Im pretty sure Mac rebrands Proto tools. The hammers and the precision sockets
Oh yeah, bought a prybar rack for my tool cart and the color didnt match, so I was like WTF...Paid $190 for it and later found the same prybar rack online for $40...that's why the color didn't match...I'm still PO'd
Moral is, rebranding 👍
Great video. I learned quite a bit rebranding from your video. Didn’t know MATCO rebranded just about everything. Did know Irwin was the manufacture for tap and die sets for everyone. I still buy tools 🧰 from the tool truck for their services. Keep the videos coming.
Do the rebranded tool go through the tooltruck's own quality control so their not selling anything less than professional grade
Mac makes alot of stuff also proto is a big manufacturer and also owned under Stanley mac as well as facom but that's france.....matco and cornwell are the biggest rebrands tool trucks.
Sorry but I disagree. Mac at this point doesn’t have any manufacturing plants for tools. All their hardline (sockets, wrenches, punches, ratchets etc.) are made by Stanley owned sister company’s to Mac. Cornwell is a hand tool manufacturer. They make ratchets, extensions, sockets, wrenches, pry bars, punches and chisels etc in their plant in Ohio. Their name is on the sign out front and has been owned by the same family for decades. They also only make Cornwell tools in there and no one else’s brand gets stamped on anything.
Sure they sell a ton of rebranded stuff but they’re not the worst offender by any means. Matco holds that crown all alone.
@@bowtieguy6870 sounds good buddy I appreciate your disagreement but have to disagree with your disagreement because Mac is owned by Stanley Proto parent company to Mac Tools the sister company are made in the same Factory not in the same tooling I've been there and actually seen it being done. And cornwell foundry is in Albion Pennsylvania that's the majority of there hardline product is made as well.
Thanks for the reply and respect. I’m not saying Mac USA made stuff is bad in fact I think it’s good. I don’t think it’s the same as Stanley’s other brands but the plant in Dallas is not a Mac tools plant it is a Stanley/Proto plant and makes many different brands. The Mac tools division of Stanley has no tool plants. They contract with Stanley/Proto to make products to their specs with their brand on it. Mac used to make their own stuff in Ohio but Stanley shut all that down I think in the nineties. Mac today is much like Matco was under Danaher. The mothership makes the product and sells it to other divisions. Would you say matco is a manufacturer just because the parent company is/was?
Cornwell owns their plants and as you said the forging facility is in Albion PA. Rough forging is done there then everything is sent to Ohio for finishing. They only make cornwell tools in those plants. The employees in those plants work for cornwell tools. I understand your point of view but between the two their is only one tool manufacturer.
Right on with my comment on the last video from most rebatabding to least rebranding matco Cornwell Mac snap on. If a company is a division of another company or owned by like in the case of Stanley I would not consider it re branding
Most things made these days is rebranded. That does for anything and everything. You're not going to have a bunch of factories making the same thing. To keep costs down, you focus on a area and nass produce those things and rebrand to who you are selling to and then it's sold to the customer. We do the same at the food factory I work at. We have out own brand and we're now currently moving in more of that direction. But we would bag our product in their bags to be sold by them.
It's like Foxconn not only ing building iPhones, but products for hundreds of other companies. Which is why a million people for for that company. Rebranding is not the big deal, quality of the product overall is what matters.
Dam the impact locking extentions in 3/8 SO, Mac & Matco are the same. They sell them in same 3 sizes.
At one point Klein was making pliers for Snap On and MAC. That was years ago though, not sure if that’s still the case
When I first tooled up in the 90's, Channel Lock was making pliers for Matco, Mac, & SnapOn
You are exactly right. Snap on floor jacks are made in the same factory as harbor freight daytona.
Wrong
Thanks for clearing the air.