F-104 Starfighter in the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 22 бер 2024
- This is Part 2 of our video about Pakistani F-104 Starfighter in the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War. Our story continues on 07 September when Indian Air Force launched counter-attacks against Pakistani airbases. Squadron Leader Ajjamada Devayya took off as a spare in his Mystere IVA. As he and other Mysteres were retreating after the attack, Devayya was intercepted by an F-104 flown by Flight Lieutenant Amjad Hussain. A controversial dogfight came of of this encounter where as you can expect, each side has its own version.
Starfighters were also able to perform a couple of night interceptions against Indian Canberra bombers. There's no shortage of controversy there either.
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- Peter E. Davies - F-104 Starfighter Units in Combat
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- Martin Bowman - Lockheed F-104 Starfighter: A History
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- John Fricker - Battle for Pakistan: The air war of 1965
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- Official Indian History of the 1965 War
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- On this day 54 yrs ago, another IAF hero shot down a vastly superior Pakistani fighter jet
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The vastly slower and damaged Mystère catching an F-104 after it conducted a slashing attack, then engaging it in a turning dogfight and winning before then crashing seems the less likely turn of events, but we'll never know...
Saar if you watch a Bollywood documentary then you would no it's highly likely.
@@pajeetkumar1645Pakistan is well known for its lies all over the world
It was not pursued by a damaged mystere but a wingman's plane.
@@pajeetkumar1645saar what a sarcasm saar 72 hoors will be proud saar
@@pajeetkumar1645 no zaar watch Porgaystani filmz zaar porgaystani junk fighter jf17 can even shoot f22 zaar in the other galaxy zaar🇵🇰🐷
Sometimes the 104 sounds like a land speeder on Tatooine
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Or perhaps the land speeder was modeled after the sound of F-104? :)
@@showtime112 Well , since the Star Wars stories takes place in the distant past that would be impossible 😂
Vacuum cleaner
Seems like the 104 had one party trick which was blinding speed. A friend of mine who flew 106's said they exercised against 104's. He said once they learned the 104's limitations that they weren't really a problem. Great episode by the way!
no, it had a 2nd one, killing its pilots in prodigious numbers
Why should the F-104 be "a problem" for the F-106? As the fastest single engine fighter ever produced the 106 was more modern as well as much more powerful than the F-104. The F-104 was older and still seemed to have a climb rate advantage over the 106, but its main advantages were that it came first and it was less expensive.
Seems to me the F-106 was designed to attack mass waves of soviet bombers and not fighters in fact the delta darts & earlier F-102 Daggers didn’t even have a internal cannon for close in combat
@@remylopez4821 The F-106 was an all-weather interceptor designed to intercept and destroy bombers attacking the US. It was controlled by the SAGE system (Semi Automatic Ground Environment), a ground based automated system, which after takeoff could fly the aircraft to an intercept position from which the pilot only had to complete the attack and fire the weapons. The F-106 did not have a gunsight or even a compressed air supply a pilot G-suit because these were not needed for missile attacks on bombers.
In contrast the F-104 was designed as day air superiority fighter, which is why it had a gun as primary armament and compressed air for the pilot's G-suit. It did not have radar missiles and all-weather attack capability.
@@gort8203 understood when I am listening to the US Air Force in 1978 I became a crew chief on F4 phantoms but I had a chance to work on F10 six is at Minot but I didn’t want to go to that cold weather on the California guy so instead I ended up working at four phantoms at Nellis Air Force Baseand the 106 was always my favorite Aircraft of that time. Thank you for your response.
The Mystere Vs the F-104 is like the MiG-17 against the F-4 in Vietnam, the MiG victory was very difficult....but not impossible as the history show...
Exactly. Older gen fighter can still defeat a newer gen one under the right circumstances. Even though you can always find comments from people saying that this is impossible :)
I wonder how the IAF knew the details of the shoot down of the F-104 when the IAF pilot never made it back, the fight happened in Pak airspace, so can't have Indian eye witnesses, and his radio was damaged.
I am kinda puzzled there too. Some details were given by Fricker, some perhaps by Hussain during his 1971 capture but some are likely 'decorative'.
India never knew what happened with Sq. Ldr. Devaiah until 1979 when Pakistani came out with their version of events. It was only then that Devaiah was decorated posthomously.
THERE WERE 2 MYSTERES INVOLVED IN THAT INCIDENT OFCOURCE, THE SECOND MYSTERE DAMAGED THE F104.
The F104 was notoriously called widow maker and there was a very specific reason. It was sluggish at speeds below mach 1. The wings were very short at only 18 feet and this made them efficient only at high speeds. One interesting part was the leading edge was so sharp that the F104 team used to use it as knife (not really but just for fun). The F104 was designed for one specific purpose, escort supersonic bombers on their mission and you were not expected to dog fight at slow speed with subsonic aircraft with just a cannon. Therein lies the problem. If the mystere had to engage the mystere contingent, it had to slow down and this will make it vulnerable and though the 104 managed to shoot one, a second one behind managed to whack the rudder controls and this made the already slow 104 almost impossible to fly. This is also corroborated by a compilation book by Jagan and Samir. Cheers
In Korea and Vietnam, recent scholarship has revealed a much more nuanced and accurate history of what happened in their air wars. I am not sure that will ever happen with any India pakistan conflicts. So much contestation and other chips on the shoulder to preclude such scholarship.
A good video Showtime.
Thank you for the comment! Yes, Indo-Pakistani conflicts are unfinished and that is a serious problem. Vietnam is finished and you can see a book written by a Vietnamese author which disputes many American aerial victories published in the USA. That's completely unthinkable here :)
AIM9B was basically a bomber killer missile, it had a narrow operational envelope and not very good as a dogfight weapon, K13 was subsequently even less reliable, both suffering from a very low G tolerance... during this war both 104s and 21s were relatively new weapons introduced to their forces in low numbers, moat of the reason none received much chance to shin in action was that they were unfamiliar assets and were both used sparingly...
True. I read a funny comment once that these early missiles required a full cooperation of their targets :)
There were only 12 starfighter, but these were well integrated and saw a lot of action. Mig 21 were also operational but their performance was very poor and IAF kept them in hiding. Most of this video is just indian propaganda bcz it was Pakistan that accepted starfighter was damaged but landed safely.
I controlled this mission.. GAR 8 hit the ground. Amjad fired at one Mysteres, seeing the hits and assuming it dead ,he went for the second and got him. Ajumata was not fully dead as yet, he gave chase and both ended up in close combat; a silly thing to do by F104. The mix-up resulted in mid air collision. Amjad bailed out; Ajumata could not because his seat was jammed
because of the impact
LoL you were sitting besides him to see that his seat was jammed...
Thank you for the insight!
@@clintwestwood5187 God forbid you can investigate a wreckage
Highly unlikely that a crippled mystere was able to chase and then engage in a dogfight over enemy territory and then shoot it down. Normally, if you are hit, the first thing you try to do is egress as soon as possible
The PAF Pilot admitted it after being shot down again over India in the 1971 War and being captured as a POW
@@adityavikramsampath2695 just to confirm I saw this report again and the POW stated that there was a collision and that was the ‘admission’
@@adityavikramsampath2695 very strange PAF pilot admitted in 1971, then indian waiting for 17 more years to confirm it.
Part 2 did not disappoint ! Another good video about a lesser known conflict.
I'm happy to hear it, thank you!
Master, you were wrong. This second part was a treasure of knowledge. Thanks for highlighting our Satueday with your videos
Thank you very much for this positive feedback!
I've been looking forward to part two & it didn't disappoint 👌🏼
I'm happy to hear that, thanks!
The F-104 must be the weirdest fighter of the Cold War great video please do the story of aces of the British pacific fleet.
Thank you for the comment! Pacific is definitely a topic I want to research in the future.
Always looking forward to ur videos, never would have known about these sorties without them, keep up the goodwork
I'm happy to hear it, thank you for the positive comment!
EXCELLENT as usal. Remarkable piece of historical aviation chapter. Too bad that both countries have different versions of their respecive casualties. Keep working on these great videos of yours. THANKS.
Thank you for the amazing feedback series :) Yes, it seems unlikely that the versions will be agreed upon by these two nations.
I hope you will make video about B57 ops aswell
Nice video thank you.
Thank you for watching!
16:30 Pakistan does claim destruction of most of Indian MiG-21s received by that point on an airstrike on Pathankot air base on 6 September
16:41 however during the 1971 war Pakistan did receive F-104s from Jordan, which according to Pakistan were not used offensively, and some were claimed shot down by India
Acc. To PAF, they also won all war against india🥲
Pakistani pilots like iranian pilots were trained in the US and they were great pilots. I salute both indian and Pakistani pilots. Pakistan and India are both our brother nations 🇮🇷🇵🇰🇮🇳
Funny thing is Pakistan also get weapon embargo from US just like Iran in middle of war. Americans sell you weapon but they get upset if you use that so called weapon without their permission. Buying Chinese version of Soviet weapons were a good choice from pakistan
This is why India doesnt buy American jets. You guys got lucky with the f-14s, they're really beautiful jets, hope they keep flying for as long as possible.
Great video! 👍
Hvala!
Thanks for the video 😊
Thank you for watching!
Nice! What sim are you using for this?
Thank you! It's War Thunder.
Could you do the breguet 1050 alize in the serves of the India Navy?
Currently no, Alize is not available in any of the sims I use.
Fantastic as always!!
Thank you so much for yet another donation!
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Pakistani f-104s have one of the best combat history as compared to other operators of the f-104. They only lost 2 f-104s.
Due but what about the ones lost by ground attacks?
@@mrxyz8366 yes they count in war but in the aviation record they dont mean much...its the ones u lose in the air that tarnish ur recird as an airforce....
in '71 war PAF lost a bunch of F-104s.
@@sobant4795 yes that's why the world map changed and something like the "east Pakistan" disappeared from the world map😂
@@sobant4795 first learn the spelling of 'record' then come to compare them😂
cant wait for you to cover the 1971 air war
A bunch of videos about the 1971 war have already been produced, check the channel and look 'Indo-Pak Wars' playlist if you missed them.
Before your videos, i though the F-104 had never seen combat 👍
It is true that other parts of the Starfighter's service are much better known (high losses in the Luftwaffe primarily). Thank you for commenting!
@@showtime112 it had the same reputation in the RCAF as a widow maker. I don't think using it as a strike aircraft was a good idea.
@@showtime112 lucky warsaw pact never invaded nato F104 would have been a liabilty how lockheed sold them so well is a ???
Muy buen trabajo. Me ha encantado. Gracias de nuevo
Thanks a lot, I'm happy to hear you liked it!
Any WW1 content possible?
It is technically possible as a platform exists (Flying Circus). I just need to get an inspiration to go in that direction. Might happen someday.
awesome work...Have you uploaded MM Alam
@@victor256in No needs to tell that who you are😂😂.
@@marwanahmad8270alam shot downed 5 indian aircraft in 4 second imagine he had 1 minute he would had shot down entire IAF
@@joaquimfurtado4868 Side effect of Bollywood movies🤪🤪.
Thank you! I haven't covered that story yet. I'm sometimes reluctant to do these well known ones as there's always a chance that I miss some source. But I'll get there one day :)
@@showtime112 thank you.. your videos are knowledgeable and takes us back in time... MM Alam's heroics are also part of the world record and his effort is acknowledged by most of the world except India which is understandable as they were at the receiving end... MM Alam was a down to earth and very humble man and never shown any pride for his accomplishment. He deserves to be on this great page of yours. Rafiqui was another hero of Pak who lost his plane in india in a dog fight and pak acknowledged it
F104 is a rocket with a man in it.
One of its many, many nicknames :)
Orange Putter RWR, part of the 'Rainbow Code' system ARI 5800 airborne passive radar warning receiver tuned to Soviet AI radars and fitted to Canberra and Valiant. It was a passive receiver, not a transmitter.
I came across multiple sources which call it a tail-radar. Besides, if it were RWR why would pilots turn it off on low altitudes? They were afraid that F-104s could detect it and RWR can't be detected by anything.
Excellent vidéo, it’s always hard to think that the F-104 could be a good dogfighter
Thank you very much! It does have a bad reputation in that area :)
Well made video
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Thank you very much!
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Bro you are my first youtuber who accept my reply 😮😮❤❤❤
Possibility of F104 being downed by debris appears to be higher
I have to agree with that
Imagine having star fighters in ur Air force but still loosing 💀
I think if u dont know shit about military you shout just stfu
0:50 .Hello again mate, just seen video on my TV HD this morning. Helped with my 2 books about "world wide"F104. I can read the 2 versions of this fight. F104 shot mystère 4 but hit by débris or swallowed by engine. And also F104 going in dogfight 👎👎with mystère 4 ,and hit by 30mm shells.
And i add that Taïwan give 2 F104 to Pakistan following war attrition !!
Thank for providing info like you always do!
These things happen in war where both sides still hate each other with a passion. They provide different versions of events
Yeah, these conflicts are not really over yet.
I'm gonna look for a starfighter models with that livery its kinda' cool SECOND GREAT VID!!!✌🏻👍🏻
Thanks a lot! I like liveries that saw some real combat and this one definitely did.
In a democracy it's very hard to hide things. However, in a country who is originally ruled by an Army or a dictator, it very easy to hide things and give flase statements.
Pakistan changed its statements many times but was unable to give any reasonable evidence. But, india provided radar evidence.
Western countries and their media always favoured Pakistan as it use western equipments and it has a strategic location to counter russia and china.
India mostly uses Russian equipments, and western media has always been obsessed against russia.
If one go through the records, he will find pakistan did well against india.
But in reality, india won all the wars.
Yeah the way mig 21 won from f16
Only feku always feku
Biased comment since you are Indian.
India was in no knowledge of this Mystere pilot untill 1979, when it some how find this incident in a book written by a western writer based on what Pakistani Airforce excepted about a loss of Starfighter . . If PAF is so biased, than better not accept this incident and take away that Vir Chakra Award from that dead pilot . .
@RajeevSingh-kq8fl except for 71 indian didnt win anything my friend.....the LOC is still there after 3 wars....if india had won anything then the LOC would not have been there....Moreover u said in a democracy things are difficult to hide...well thats a total sham of a statement does RAW works publically in INDIA???.....if u think its difficult to hide then BJP gov must be some genius who hide an entire Su30 and the dead bodies of about 100 troops from the face of the earth apart from the first day where social media posts were made by the local officials doctors quoting the death of many troops and injured aswell in RAJOURI HOSPITAL....hell even INDIAN TODAY broadcasted live on that day that SU 30 was indeed shot down near SIRINAGAR AIRBASE and ground reporter confirm it aswell.....and about 15 days later a certain SQ. LDR AKASH PANDEY died in a mysterious bike crash near gues what??? SIRINAGAR AIRBASE......
Pakistan is the most leaky country in the world where if u wana find someone u can find him in a matter of days nobody keeps their mouths shut....but not one leak from pak side about the F16 yet their were hundreds of leaks on the indian side on social media as well as the digital media....until ofcourse the govt.'s directive to keep quite in national intrest just they did kept quite on that MI17 heli fratricide for about 3 months until elections were done and dusted......so dont bring ur sham of a logic about democracy....In pakistan army cant move their magic wand in the air and disapear a friggin f16 with 0 leaks......one more thing the funny claim of india about that f104 missile being blasted before impact is laughable since missiles dont blast when they miss their targets😂
@@iftikharfaridy2974 PAF is known to hide losses, and when American built aircraft are involved, it is common knowledge that the US assists in hiding them. Best example was back in the Afghan War, a PAF F-16 was shot down by his own wingman. In order to save face, PAF and Pentagon claimed the F-16 was shot down by a Soviet MiG-23. A Pakistani journalist had uncovered the truth decades later.
PAF also has trouble sticking to its story. Another good example is what happened in 2019. DG-ISPR changed his statement around 3 times, confusing the number of aircraft shot down, parachutes in the air and pilots captured. After India specifically asked the US to release the official count of F-16s, the Pentagon conveniently said it's an internal matter between PAF and the US. If only Pakistan would listen like the good little pets they are when India says Kashmir is an internal matter of India😂.
As unbiased as I'm trying to be, it's much harder to believe Pakistani accounts than Indian.
WOW a military video not sponsored by war thunder lol, well done
Not for a lack of trying :) Thank you for the comment!
Please read 'Six to Gehenna', a historical fiction dedicated to the air warfare between the IAF and the PAF. The book is endorsed by the Marshal of the Indian Air Force, Arjan Singh, D.F.C. The author has recanted this particular incident after an in depth interview with one of the pilots who took part on the raid and was almost pushed off the runway while taxying for take off.
Did you know that A.B. Devayya was not a part of the initial raid? He was a standby pilot who was detailed to take off only in case if any of the designated pilots returned to base due to engine trouble, malfunction, etc.
However, the raiders were rather surprised to see him taxying on the runway, practically pushing a squadron mate off.
Thereafter, he met his destiny.
The only PAF pilot to have been shot down twice by the Indian forces in 1965 and 1971 was S/L Amjad Hussain. He is the person who informed the Indians about the heroic deeds of Devayya in 1965.
Had it not been for his testimony, Devayya would not have been recognised by the Indian Government.
THIS IS SUCH A FAST RESPONSE LAST TIME I WROTE ABOUT IT AND NOW IT IS HERE MY LOVE FOR YOUR CHANNEL
But you know, it doesn't always work this way :)
You haven't mentioned about the Beechcraft shot down by PAF
Why would I mention that in a video about F-104?
Because it happened on 19/9 65.My dad was the co pilot on that plane.
Vagabond a badmash nickname of 104 a legand mark star fighter
Looks unlikely since we are talking of 2 different generations of aircraft. It would be like a Heinkel He 51 shooting down a Hurricane Mk I in 1939.
Yes, yes it did.
It seems unlikely that a damaged Mystere still could have manoeuvred to pursue the F 104, and most probably the flying debris from stricken Mystere would have been a good reason.
However the villagers eyewitness accounts mentioned that Mystere put up a good fight. This has been mentioned by a PAF veteran of war and author as well.
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Hvala Medo!
F_86 in 1965 🇵🇰🤜🇨🇮
There will be stories about that in the future, thank you for commenting!
Thanks for covering the less-popular wars. Man that just sounds wrong.
Thank you for watching!
Great video with an aviation mystery as complex as the disappearance of Amelia Earhart. Great presentation as always from Showtime 112! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌸🌸🌼🏵️💮🏴☠️🏹
Except that they might actually solve the Amelia Earhart mystery but this one is unlikely 😁Thanks once again!
Devia formation bombed WW2 abandoned strip outside sargodha by the main base also known Chota aka small sargodha his plane crashed at kot Nakah close to pindi Bahttian
وہ متروک ایئر سٹرپ سرگودھا سے مغرب کی سمت 92 چک کے قریب تھی شاید۔ ایک کینبرا جہلم دریا کے اس پار تھل میں بھی گرا تھا غالبا کھاٹواں ضلع خوشاب کے قریب۔
@@muslehuddinbilal3548G exactly it used to call Chota sargodha also one canebara shot during 71 war at sakesar area near Khushab by Mirage during nite by Naeem Atta
104 je stalno na dodatnom izgaranju goriva, to troši puno goriva za tako vremenski duge borbe. Zar ne?
Točno. Doduše, borba se odvijala u blizini matične baze Starfightera pa nije trebalo previše goriva do nje.
Why was Sqn Ldr given the Gallantry award so late in 1988? Abhinandan was also awarded after two years. The Indians wait for the dust to settle so that no one questions the veracity.
Please play the story of valiant IAF Flying Officer Nirmal Jeet Singh Sekhon
No. Its debris hit F-104.
If I had to choose one version, that one makes sense.
Do a video on M m Alam world record
You should cover the incident when a NATO fifth gen aircraft probably the nighthawk was shot down over Yugoslavia, coz there were no other aircraft involved rather than the SAM
the night hawk wasnt a 5th gen aircraft, it was the first aircraft to enter service that featured geometric stealth construction. also there is no "probably" it was definitely a f 117 27 th march 1999
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Thank you!
I read in a book, named:
پاک فضائیہ کی داستانِ شُجاعت
That the Amjad Hussain kill both Mystere, that morning.
Let's hope they wrote truth.
Great video as usual. I hope you will keep covering these non western conflicts more man :)
Thanks a lot! Yes, such conflicts shall continue to be covered in the future.
let us know if the different title makes a difference.
Nope. Algorithm clearly knows it's part 2 as the first one had four times as many views at this point 😁
I would go for the mid-air collision. Neverthless an F-104 was lost to shot down a Mystere and that's really matters.
yes, just like they shot down an F16 with a Mig 21 without firing a single shot.
Yes just like Pakistanis claimed they captured 3 Indian pilots and downed three jets, later they agreed that they only captured one piloted and downed one jet, accepting their lies😂
@@mrxyz8366when it comes to lie indian are number one. Pakistan always claimed two aircraft. Panicked IAF shot its own helicopter. Indian defense minister claimed 300 killing in Balakot but they were telling eternal truth as Reuters categorically stated no building was hit.
@@mrxyz8366see how good are you at making false claims, Pakistan accepted that it was a communication mistake if having two pilots but always maintained it shot two aircraft.
@@snd9826 Thats the reason why today india is far ahead of pakistan, you guys think commenting on youtube and being a keyboard warrior will strengthen your country🤣😂. you should better care about your country being ran by your "fauj"
@@mrxyz8366 no matter how much truth and proof one bring indian will never accept truth bcz they don't believe what they see rather they want to see what they believe. Indian will twist facts bring in hilarious argument but will not accept truth. PAF shot two aircraft and panicked IAF shot its own helicopter. But all indian have a communication mistake that tells them their mig 21 shot an F-16.
Remaining in 3 years pow in India Amjad did not let Indian know that he killed devyaya.in 1965 war,6 years ago
It's quite understandable that he would want to hide something like that.
@@showtime112 I was expected such a reasonable reply,thnx.
i don't believe either of um--
No issues . . Neither a Starfighter was lost nor a Mystere . . This dog fight never happened at all . . This video was a fiction . . 😁😁😁
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Pakistan got this aircraft from uncle sam in BHEEK MAIN
What a crap an already damaged aircraft cannot engage an aircraft in dog fight, let alone shoot it down specially when damaged aircraft crashed in such a way that its pilot was unable to eject and died in crash. Sorry guys this does not add up.
In every single account, Devayya engages the F-104. But it is possible that his Mystere wasn't damaged in the initial attack, some sources give that version.
@@showtime112 again another crap if it was not damaged in first encounter what destroyed Mystere after successful shooting down f104. Please be a little rational. Kind of claims are brought in are quite hilarious even firing of sidewinder is disputed.
@@snd9826u r literally d*mb , haven't u seen the video
Ok let's sum this up:
Fight hundreds of kms inside Pakistani Airspace = Pakistani Air Dominance
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Accept Indian claim of 500 Pakistani "Soviet"Tanks destroyed/Captured.
Reject Indian claim of "American" made aircraft destroyed.
And this is been repeated over and over again😅.
seriously, isnt there one youtuber who hasnt sold out to sponsors?
If someone told you that you should do your job for free or for less than minimum wage, what would you tell them?
@@showtime112Amen.
If it's like a known ads like War Thunder,maybe it was okay,but a food ad that is notorious for mistreatment of their employees would rub viewers in a wrong way
@@Randomly_BrowsingShow me a corporation that treats its workers 100 percent fairly. Corporations are like that and the workers always have a freedom to find another job if they hate the one they have. Speaking of WT, I was reprimanded by a viewer from Ukraine for using it. He pointed to an interview in which Gaijin management speaks in favor of Russian aggression against his country. So, it's easy to be self righteous but there's no such thing as a perfect sponsor. Or a viewer which won't be annoyed by something.
@@showtime112 true but at the same time, is it worth a risk?
One thing is for sure.You just cannot believe any Indian account.Professional liars and deniers.Got a good lambasting in 65 aerial war as well as in 71.Did better in 71 but still Paf performed better.
Maturity is when you realize An Indian mig21 did the same with paxtuni F16 😂😂😂
2nd or 3rd version seem correct starfighter scored a victory then 2nd Mystiere shot down 104 starfighter. PAF lost 4 F-104s 2 on ground n 2 in Air combat during 1965 War. In 1971 War IAF shot down more Pakistani Sabre jets star fighters n Mig 19s
Problem is IAF is giving credit of shooting down of starfighter to first Mystere, whereas PAF pilot was the first one to admit that his aircraft was damaged by the debris of Mystere and he landed safely. All claims were made after that and many false narrative were created. And that also after decades.
Oh boy, the comments are going to get spicy 🤣
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