I’m only 27 pages into the light novel for Classroom Of The Elite but it’s already evident how different the main character is in here as compared to the show. So please keep in mind that the Ayanokoji talked about in the video is solely the anime representation. Thanks to everyone who pointed it out.
@@Whysp The anime focusses heavily on the mysterious and meticulous side of his character, but the LN portrays him as a normal person simply trying to befriend people with a mysterious past. Similar, but not the same by any means.
One thing that always troubled me was how people around me would always say " How can you be so calm in this situation? How can you mantain your mind clear and not go crazy" and i've always thought it was because I was just a rational person thinking that it doesn't make any sense to scream, cry, or vent about stuff when its already happened . Only after watching the way Hachiman acted, I actually started noticing some similar traits and patterns which, kind of scared me. I've never described myself as an apathic person but I've always felt like I was a calmer person than average.
I mean but fr, how can anyone take life seriously. It is way too facilitating and exciting, I understand that not for all the facilitating part is true, but hey part of identity is reflection of your past experiences, and I wouldn’t mind a villain arc, after all in pursuit of truth we don’t discriminate with pleasantries or setbacks.
Same for me, but just saying that wouldn't make anyone convinced ofc. However simply yes, I feel this, getting Called a robot or sociopathical just bc I lack outward emotion is frustrating but I'm too tired out to care.
Honestly, so many want to appear apathetic because it’s an edgy phase or because they want to portray their favourite characters, but genuinely having an outlook like this sucks. So many people think it’s as simple as “oh I’m just smarter than anyone” but in reality you have nobody to relate to, nobody who understands how you feel, and more often than not this means you have trouble receiving love and giving it out to others.
It's not the feeling of being smart really it's more of wanting to do something but not half way through which ends up leaving you not doing anything at all or at list that how i felt for a while
This. It always comes across to me like the people who want to appear apathetic don't quite comprehend what it seems to be truly apathetic, and it sorta brings down my entire perception/sympathy for 'apathy'.
yeah. you just feel numb and really empty, and you become complacent when everything around you is going to shit. it’s not a good mindset at all. the reason i ended up this way at some point was actually because i was failing my classes. it really has nothing to do with being intelligent and it has everything to do with needing a shitty coping mechanism for your very emotionally straining situations. you shouldn’t lock your emotions up and away because you just end up caring about absolutely nothing which can lead to you making detrimental decisions in your life
Yeah, I appreciate how many characters are like in anime though because its nice to see relatable struggles and especially the ones where the character slowly learns to open up
crazy thing is ayanokoji is someone who displays apathy cause he's bored like oreki but because hes completely emotionless lol, he wants to do normal things but those stuff were took from him
no, it's mentioned that he wants to stay in the background and not attract any attention. He wasn't bored with anything. He has great mental and physical capabilities but dislikes boasting about them.
He wants to be normal, and in the novels has expressed a desire to feel love or change his “all people are tools mindset.” He is considered by the white room to be the “masterpiece” however he doesn’t want to be. Reading the novels and the lines about how he knows he can never be free of the white room but will resist until the bitter end is quite saddening in my opinion.
as someone who just stumbled on this looking for more apathetic characters because it’s the mood i’ve felt for so many years, i’m looking forward to watching Oregairu now. the series (while not the best but still my favorite) that literally started my apathetic understanding as a kid was Nabari No Ou, which has its issues but after the first three episodes just tells a story i wasn’t it expecting to go down. it has some of my favorite characters in it and both Miharu and Yoite speak to me on a physical level.
I haven't seen Nabari No Ou but now I'll definitely give it a try. I'm glad you liked the video enough to want to watch Oregairu! Genuinely one of my favorite shows.
this explains so much why i dont really care most the time, when i was younger i never took much notice in others, i found people boring so i put my focus alternating between focusing on figuring out the nature of reality and nature itself to running around climbing trees, i was always the fastest and i connect well with my intalectual side, though im dyslexic but dont care so maybe i just dont care what others think about me even if my opinion of them isnt low
I have these weird ”waves” of apathy where i don’t feel anything, all emotionall connection to people (i ”love”) get severed, i treat people like shit, just cause i don’t care. Then like a day or 2 later im ”normal” again and start feeling bad about the shit that i did (tho usually im happy i did what i did because it ends with me being better off, and i both hate myself for it but am also thankful for it)
@@shi707ro idk, mabye people like us just work in a different way? I think its something deeper than just like; a feeling. You know? Hope you figure it out though, i dont feel like i want to find out why, because i might not like the answer, but thats just me haha
@@ashenito yeah i agree with you but this thing is actually ruining my healthy relationships and i can't seem to find a solution xD anyway i'll keep searching
Very interesting and detailed analysis! I don't see apathy as a subject that's covered all that often in anime analysis videos (at least I don't think?) I think to some extent, yeah, everybody feels apathetic sometimes and experience the different types of apathy (the kind you feel due to loneliness vs the kind you feel because something is too easy, like playing on Very Easy mode in a video game). In the field of psychology we refer to apathy as "emotional blunting" which can result from Depression and other mental illnesses. As someone who suffers from Depression and who has also struggled with fitting in, i can definitely relate. I can relate to the apathetic feeling you get when things are too easy, too (sorry, I'm not trying to come off as arrogant). In school I became apathetic because I didn't think anybody really liked me or wanted to be my friend. For the most part I avoided others, kept to myself, and yeah I remember how it felt. I'm lucky to have found some good friends anyway that put in the effort to get to know me despite my lack of trying. Still I remember how it felt, walking around the playground at recess when those few good friends weren't around, or being in gym class and not having a gym partner, or simply preferring to just walk around the track the entire class time instead. I don't know whether or not my classmates truly thought I was weird or whether they were actually actively avoiding me, but that didn't matter because, whatever the reality of the situation, I perceived them as not liking me. And that led to me isolating myself, and feeling resentment towards my peers. I'm ashamed to say, I was rather immature back then. I partially coped with my loneliness by looking down on my classmates, thinking I was smarter and more mature than them. I put the blame on them for my lack of social skills, when maybe that wasn't really fair. Maybe my classmates didn't dislike me, maybe they didn't think I was "weird" or "annoying". But I'll never know, because I just retreated further into myself instead of trying to reach out. Sorry haha, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent or make this all about me. Anyway, I guess moral of the story is don't assume automatically that people don't like you or that you don't have a chance with someone. You'll never know until you try, or as basketball player Wayne Gretzky said "You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take." If I could do it again I think I would try a little harder to connect with my peers and make more friends.
Very good video. I enjoyed watching it. Idk about your "analysis" of Ayanokoji (even assuming an anime-only pov and not mentioning the ln). It's probably "your experience" as you said at 0:38 and my experience that lead to the difference in perspectives. This is where I would insert my essay on the analysis of Ayanokoji as a character but I want to hold off until the series is over (most likely in 5-6 years) and also read other kinds of literature.
Yeah I'm anime only but reading what people have said is making want to read the LN. Based on the LN, the entire Ayanokoji part may be invalid. Thanks for bringing it up and I'd love to read your essay on his character tbh
@@2liip I don't want to overhype the light novels too much. but the anime is ok (very interesting ending) but imho the light novels are a masterpiece. I hope you read them and enjoy them as much as I did. One day I'm writing that essay for sure :)
gotta say, i don't really want to project on characters all that much, having them being interesting is underrated. projecting and relating to characters can be depressing when you have a depressed life
I think that's where a lot of seasonals come in. I definitely think it's refreshing to take a break form all of the psychological and sad shows to just watch a feel good SOL or comedy. I'm not sure what you have and haven't seen, but I think something like Dr. Stone or a shonen might entertain you. I hope you find something to cheer you up!
@@2liip i guess, there's some in my list to watch anyway. I mean the whole "apathetic characters are better when relatable" can get a lil boring after a while, i don't think being able to project on them is what makes them good, but again i prefer a fleshed out character whatever is their personality in the end.
And another thing... It is a massive error for a writer to create a character relatable enough that a person can put themselves in their place. It is IMPERATIVE that characters in books, TV shows and anime be their own entities, because if they aren't, the viewer might as well just go off and live their own life, as living inside the characters they are seeing on the screen will have only the same value, not greater value, as living does. For the people who value the art form of writing, or TV production, or anime and manga to a degree necessary to be considered a fan, rather than a casual toe dipper, this level of characterisation is simply unacceptable in every way. We aren't here to live inside a character made for the purpose of self insertion. We are here to experience something new, meet new people and follow their unique journeys, AND experience their unique perspectives. When you write for the purpose of permitting a broad audience to sit within a character comfortably, you steal everything that makes a character watchable and interesting, instead of making them compelling and drawing the viewer in. Its a massive error, and needs fixing. Thats not to say there is anything wrong with apathetic characters, but writing for self insertion is always a fail.
6:40 i remember trying to be as unnoticeable and average as possible back in Highschool... *Doesn't work* 🤣🤣 especially considering I had below average social skill, and way below average understanding things my generation enjoyed because of how sheltered I was.
Exerpt from the first zaregoto light novel: “I didn’t know who our worlds revolved around, but this world revolved around the sun. That’s all there was to it, really, and it never amounted to anything more. And that goes for everyone. The truth is always out of my reach. And what’s more, I never really care to reach for it. Maybe that was the problem. This was probably what Aikawa-san meant by “slacking.” “Eh, that doesn’t matter. I don’t live to sit here and think about those kinds of things, and it’s not like I’m trying to change the world or solve its mysteries. When I’m confronted with a puzzle, it’s just annoying. If I can just keep on living like this tomorrow, that’ll be enough. The world just does what it wants, and even if it didn’t, that would have nothing to do with me, and even if it did have something to do with me, I wouldn’t be interested. I’ve never wanted to become someone, and I’ve never felt like there was something I had to do. Sometimes I wonder if that’s okay, but in the end, that doesn’t really matter to me, either.”
@@icecp6532 I've always wanted to get into and read the Zaregoto series because it seems really interesting. Do you know where I could find english translations of it? Last I checked, only a few volumes were in English, and they were only fan translated.
@@2liip The first book has a pretty good anime adaptation that covers most of it. Only volumes 1-3 have official translations, but fan-translations for the rest can be found on “sway translations”. The good thing about zaregoto and nisioisin’s stories in general are that they’re very separate from each other, meaning the stories are self-contained, so you can stop anytime. The first two books are absolutely amazing and I can’t recommend it more.
When you grew up, you will understand Apathy isn't a thing to glorify, seeking true emotion does. Apathy is the reason causing growth stagnation, that's why most talented kids ended up failing in life
Apathy and being unreadable isn't the same thing. And in my case I'm really good at appearing apathetic however, inside I might feel hurt, or angry or just sad. And I'm getting to a point where I accept my emotions. And want them guided.
You mentioned apathy caused by being too good at something (lack of challenge) leading to boredom and apathy caused by loneliness and depression (detatchment). However,, I think there's also a third type of apathy. The kind of apathy where you're in a situation and you don't have any good options, so you just... accept whatever is about to happen (fatalism). You might pick the least bad option, but you don't really care because you've given up hope of being able to find anything better. So you just go though the motions, making choices you don't believe in because you've accepted that nothing you do is going to make much of a difference. In the worst case scenario, this can become a cycle that's extremely hard to break without external intervention.
Yep same, mine is due to medical illness that can’t be treated so I’m in perpetual pain and disappointment with doctors and any results from treatment.
That's interesting. What do you think about apathy caused by traumatic experiences? Like having a consistent traumatic childhood? I feel like all kinds of apathy are kind of detached. But in case of a traumatic childhood, I wouldn't really categorize it as loneliness and depression or necessarily fatalism?
My theory about why apathy would be so well portrayed in anime as opposed to other media is that work culture in japan is depressingly meaningless, working to maintain; not create, share, enrich, just to keep expectations as they are. As such these writers would have friends that have felt like this or felt it themselves.
Best apathy portrayal in anime is Shinichi from Parasyte: the Maxim. His realization that he was behaving abnormally and doubts about his own humanity are very relatable in a way that isn't too forced.
Although everyone tends to appreciate the show, I felt like the show was a complete disappointment, compared to the amount of positive opinions it receives. The story does not have a central theme apart from the character turning into something of an 'alien'. It goes something along the Tokyo Ghoul way, except the ending is pretty anti-climatic and sudden. Also there's a sudden, forced, 'protect the environment ' message at the end which basically came out of nowhere. I mean did Migi accidentally just remembered that day that humans have been polluting the environment? And then temporarily the show behaves as if it had been leading to this conclusion all way along, when it's clear that it didn't. There was no foreshadowing or hints dropped related to the ' environment stuff ' at all in the show. At the end, while most people rate it 8-10/10, to me it felt like a lost potential mostly and it could've been the next Tokyo Ghoul. Overall 5/10 at most
It's insane how much more apathy is portrayed in the LN of cote, the way Ayanokoji describes his action's while realising the average individual's reaction towards him and his plans/ideas is wildly different as they clearly display an expression of confusion or doubt is such a strong juxtaposition towards the reader. Great content my dude.
That's a really good way to sum up Hachiman. His actions are often good spirited in the sense that he wants to help people and, because of that, those people want to help him back .
An angle that most people miss is the Japanese cultural one. Japan is one of the safest, most risk-adverse societies with very burdensome social rules. A lot of people experience the inflexibility and lack of freedom in everything as an extreme sort of boredom and can feel that choices don't really matter. The feeling of apathy, passiveness and indifference is something that permeates much of Japanese society.
Apathy is a form of avoidance. Avoidance is a hell to get over. Personally, my apathy appeared after my anxiety got so bad that I stopped trying to fight it: aka, I burnt out. I don't want people to think that apathy is a valid coping mechanism. When I hear about these romanticizations of apathy, I start to think if my own mental illness can become a strength or whether it's really a bad thing.
Oh definitely. I think the last thing people should do is normalize these kinds of feelings, but I do think that knowing and understanding what's wrong is one of the first steps towards bettering oneself.
I depends...sometimes apathy toward some circumstances can help you think of clearing it through it with a rational mind. Though normalizeing it as something is bad for one's social life.
The part about projecting yourself into the character hits really hard. I can't imagine how much time in my life, especially when I was younger, that I probably spent doing this. For me it was a form of inspiration. I could compare my apathy to having really severe writers block (except towards personal development/life). Watching these types of characters always brought me hope that I could take a step forward even wihout being able to feel it out whilr in a state of apathy. I've been to dark places, but this helped me stay out of so many more.
Really liked that someone is giving attention to Hyouka. It's one of the best anime yet highly underrated. The depressed guys edit has made a bad presentation about Oreki. He is not depressed but he is lazy. And the laziness is shown on his face. He is not enthusiastic. But storyline and character developments make Hyouka a must watch anime. It has good animation along with good sound effects.
Spoiler warning for OMORI because im dumb: A form of apathy not shown in anime but in a video game is Sunny from OMORI. Sunny has been apathetic since he was the cause of his old sisters death (sorry for spoilers if you haven’t played) which has been for four years now in the story. He has forced down his emotions and instead chooses to reside in his own headspace away from the harsh reality of the real world.
@@garlicbread4792 i found out this spoiler before i played too bc i wanted to know abt the game before playing. But its still a REALLY good game and still my fav
An Apathetic character I like is "Wang Ling" from "The Daily life of the Immortal King" which is a Chinese anime. I would categorize him as a mix between Saitama (One Punch Man) and Mob (Mob Psycho 100). This is due to him being way too strong for any kind of challenge and because his emotions are suppressed.
Real moments of apathy hurt in a way where you think you are broken. I wonder why I can’t feel the same way many people do about certain things. I can understand their feelings but I never experience it. I think my apathy came from an abusive childhood so my response was to feel either happiness or nothing at all. Any other feeling couldn’t show or things would get messy. Now I feel like I have no depth to my emotions at times. I want to be passionate or but it also feels fake because I have the think myself into about feeling that way. I tell myself I should be mad at this situation but I just can’t… idk
I have never heard of apathy before, but I think I might have experienced it for a while. A Kind of sudden fear that nothing I could ever do, would ever matter and there was no future worth living. I think it's a kind of loneliness, because that was at a time when I had no one I could share my experiences with. That happend during my Holidays. Once I got back to school and had a "classtrip"(I hope that's the translation) I stopped having this feeling. Still I sometimes have the feeling that I will never be as invested into anything as in the past. That's usually when I ate Ramen noodles from certain brands. Still I eat them
I just feel like I want to dissappear, like I'm pretty sure I'm an apathetic person. And its not a good thing.. I get called names for it and ofc some think I'm just " acting " so I look cringe to others, I just feel so dead inside and empty I just don't want to exist. Everything is technically purposeless. But I'll still try, I want to learn lots anyways, that's probably only because if I have nothing else to show than my face then I'd just be another nobody in a crowd of people.
Being apathetic especially sucks bc I do actually really relate to ayanokoji, but when or if I say that I just look cringe, like a personality rider. So I just stay quiet until I'm asked something, most of the time
@@rawrx ya apathy is literally you feel nothing.. it’s not an emotion. Nothing affects you, you don’t react .. it’s a lack of care especially for others. Someone can be on fire.. and you just shrug and walk away.. no one should want to be apathetic but apathy is playing the world right now. The lack of caring for another is incredibly scary..
Apathy shown in anime looks cool but in reality it is extremely difficult to deal with. Yes, it helps with dealing witn breakups or loss as if doesnt emotionally impact you, but you loose emotion from rest of the things as well. I have been suffering through it for years, finding it difficult to get out of bed and feeling motivated to even do anything. Even when my loved ones died there were times when i found it hard to even cry whereas i should have been heart broken. There are some sparks of emotion at random times in the middle of the night when suddenly i wake up from a dream and start feeling emotional to cry my eyes out, but it all goes back next day. I used to think of it as a superpower, as a switch to turn of my emotions and not feel pain when i was younger but now i would give anything to feel anything be it sadness, happiness, jealousy. One day i was talking to my friend when i said i dont want anything more in my life , i am content that even if I die it is ok. At that point we both realized how serious my condition had become that i had even lost my motivation to live. I have been improving day by day slowly by giving myself small tasks or quests to feel productive and motivated.
I'll be real, it feels apathetic rn. I just transferred to another school, and it feels my motivation sooo drained. I used to feel so motivated in putting so much effort in my homework, and Art be sure I'm soo excited. Rn it feels Idc about what's happening in the friends lives, the knew franchises, and I don't feel excited drawing as much as I missed the feeling of getting lost in the art.
...Hyouka always reminded me of myself, when I watched it I was suprised to how much he qcted like me, having talent but no want to try for it, even If I had it I wouldnt go for it for long, as I dont care.
does nagi seishiro from blue lock fall under the apathetic character category? also do you think you will make a video covering nagi seishiro's personality and or trope similar to how you did with this video? :)
Apathy isn’t an emotion. It’s literally the epitome of no emotion. Apathy comes from not caring at all for other people or external environment. You do t want to be apathetic. It’s not something to be proud of. I think what you’re feeling is emptiness. That’s a feeling, it hurts.. apathy doesn’t hurt. Literally.. a robot is apathetic, lonely , depressed and being empty is like someone squeezing your chest but there nothing there
@@acutelilmint8035 Well I might just be being emo or something like that because to me, saying that I'm apathetic makes me cringe, but I have no problem with being this way.
Yea give me godlike powers and I assure you I will never get bored of them. Id have my pet project of restoring the prūšu nation. Id oversee the architectural revival in The West. Id test if a society made up of only clones of the top 25% by inteligence of my nation (men and women counties sepretly) would be heavenly. Id have fun with the wife I found the regular way and the waifu and brought to laifu. Id banish all outlanders from my land and restore proper borders to eastern Europe. Id go meet all my online friends IRL. Id roam the land finding truly noble people and giving them a lifespan that would naturally last over a century and a half. Id crush all evil where I see it. Id build cafes and inns in my land as a way for people to socialize more and also know that they might just run in to me there someday. Id shapeshift whenever I feel like it. Go pake plenty of puns and references to my favorite games. Play videogames and watch anime like I do now. Finance the making of new works for me to watch. ... Id never grow bored even tho I would give myself a 200 year lifespan.
Generally, I like Anime. But I despise those much to often very apathetic main protagonists, and I more often than not stopped watching a series just because of this. Gullible, clueless, indecisive, and apathetic - since the Japanese practically grow up with heroes like this as role models for decades now, I wonder how this nation still does exist.
If I where given godlike powers I would never grow bored. I have wisdom so apretiate the calm and dont want anything out of the ordinary. Its interesting how most people dont want to live a normal life until they expierience a bunch of problems and wish they could go back to living normally. For me godlike powers would just solve all my problems and I would then exist in a state of peaceful bliss (when I dont go out having fun being able to do literally anything I want).
Man this is such a well done video, It's hard to believe it was from such a small corner of the internet, but seriously it was really well done. On another topic though your "many people, have experienced loneliness, many people have hated themselves and many people have wanted to do something about themselves so badly but never lifted a finger to do so" hit way to close to home, as someone who has wanted to change for years, yet never actually do anything to change or if I do never following suite. So that hurt, but I'd also like to add, my form of Apathy was something back in the day I used to put up to prevent myself from harm, or so I thought. As such with my disappointment with most of the world, I used it as a barrier to trick myself into believing I didn't care. Nowday's I have much more to hold onto and much more to lose, friends, family and others. But I do believe that apathy comes in its own flavour for everyone. This was my little internet rant, feel free to ignore it.
Eren and eldians are very fuckin relatable if your black bc not to the shows stakes but scarily close millions apon millions of our people where stolen and even before that have been persecuted by the rest of the world for something we couldn’t change our skin not for violence or anything just our skin was enough for us to be deemed less then human and demonized and murdered and ALOT of people to this day still hold these feelings and lies they have been told we live in a country that unfairly bias towards us and still there is little to no justice and our own government has put missions and plans together to spite and poison us,to kill us,to enslave and inprison us,they have even put people within our communities that have ultimately lead to decline and destruction of our communities and it was all purposeful and it can cause apathy to stay sane to all of this the only thing i can say is atleast the government gave eldians peace because of power they had and the destruction they could cause they atleast had some peaceful years tho in real life for all black people in this world there is no great power we have that could give us that peace no ability that would even purpose liberation for us…
We didn’t get that much info from him when he had apathy All we knew is he was bored in his life like I’m few minutes during ep 1 and after that he just changed into god complex attitude
I'm very late to seeing this video, but as someone who has had many lengthy apathetic episodes, i loved this video. It's strange to go through a time where you struggle to care about or feel anything, and explaining it to someone else is difficult. I was unfamiliar with most of these characters besides Kotaro from Hyouka, one of my favorite characters ever, so i enjoyed seeing more characters that portray this emotion well. This also got me to finally watch Oregairu! My personal favorite character that displays apathy is probably Rei Kiriyama from sangatsu no lion. He probably falls into the "unchallenged" group, but at the same time he struggles to go up the ranks despite being a prodigy. It's difficult to explain, but his story and how he dealt with his depression and apathy were really inspiring to me.
I like they way you pointed out how they all felt apathy differently. Seem like it always stems from indifference? As in, not having someone to relate to or at the least perceive it that way
This was such a nice view and analysis on the characters mentioned! And seeing Aomine being referenced, while I recently started watching the anime and really rooting for the guy, made me consider his conundrum of "The only one who could beat me is me" in a completely different light! I hope you keep up the amazing work. Can't wait to see your next analysis video!
My Teen RomCom was brutal to watch the first time. Though, it is refreshing to see an anime protag with a wholesome and healthy relationship with his family.
@Slip Right now , I have been apathetic for 6 months , I wanted to do everything yet I couldn't due to my situation and now I'm feeling nothing and just want to do what everyone else can do or what I was able to do , I have found many things that this situation is called including *numbness* or *emotional* *numbness* . This is the first time actually when I have heard about apathy and I thank you for making this video as it relates to me deeply and I think your deep understanding of apathy stems from yourself being apathetic or you once we're , either way I thank you for making this video.
I don’t know if I would have “apathy”, but I do feel that deep loneliness even though I have friends. It feels like I just can’t connect with anyone. The feeling of loneliness in a group is the worst.
Apathy is also displayed extremely well through the character of Kanao Tsuyuri in Demon Slayer. Because of her miserable, abusive past, she completely broke and struggled to feel any emotion whatsoever. As the series goes on, however, she's motivated and emboldened by the friends and family beside her and manages to slowly be able to feel more and connect more over time. It's done very beautifully.
At least for me, Apathy is something Akin to a room. That room has a couch and infinite hallways leading out of it. Some people look down the hallways and see darkness, but like the walls or the carpet and thus pick a hallway and start walking down it. However, some people have better eyesight and can see the end of the hallways. They see the same dead end -or what seems to them as the same dead end- at the end of every hallway and decide "Since it's all the same, I might as well stay in the room because the couch is comfortable"
Genuinely a really good analogy. Complacency is very self destructive though, sometimes you have to walk to the end regardless of how uninteresting it seems.
The depth of the emotional connection I felt to 8man is simply something I can't put into words. I've been apathetic in a very similar way for a very long time, and the feeling is indescribable seeing that there is a road back from this life, it was as if there were the tiniest glimmer of hope for the first time in a long time.
The apathy I've felt over the course of my life probably comes from mainly alienation. Alienation by being too good at certain skills, from not being good at talking to people, from no one understanding my emotions or interests, etc. It's fun to see a variety of characters going through the motions
Apathy - lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern. Well that is actually how normal people see apathetic people as and the thing is apathetic people do have interest, concern, and a bit of enthusiasm but due to the harshness of life they hide these emotions as a defense mechanism. I love Oregairu, Attack On Titan, Classroom Of The Elite, Hyouka, Kuroko No Basket, One Punch Man, Death Parade and the way they portray apathy but what bothers me the most if how people react to it when seeing an apathetic person in an anime and an apathetic in real life. Now when it comes to a person from an anime people tend to relate and feel bad for them for the character right? Most people tend to realize they also have the same characteristics of the character. Real apathetic people on the other hand is another story, people call them emo, lonely, introverts. Now I'm not much of an apathetic person but I get called out for looking depressing and edgy and I got laughed at once in the mall for looking emo even though I looked like just another guy at the mall (I wasn't even wearing those emo accessories). I don't know what I'm saying anymore
I developed apathy from INTENSE INTENSE boredom. Boredom has thus far been the most PAINFUL emotion I have ever felt. Its so empty, its so defeating, it feels like there's no solution. When I was going through a miscarriage, I opened up my old journals from when I was in highschool and read about how bored and empty I was and it was honestly so comforting because yes I was going through a misscariage, bleeding out, losing a baby, but ATLEAST I wasnt bored!
I genuinely hate these kinds of characters, it's like looking in a black hole. Their existence seems so pointless. But I do wanna watch an anime where the protagonist goes on a journey to get better. Also hope you upload again, I haven't seen anyone talk about this and I think it's interesting.
I don’t think many are apathetic characters, apathy, real apathy is a robot. Someone empty but can grow, wants to find meaning, is empty, lost, depressed, hollow, but it’s not apathy. We have apathetic tendency’s but there is no apathetic personality.. that’s a robot. Someone believing existence is pointless and therefore self aware self destructive is nihilism, it’s close to apathy.. but wanting to watch the world burn is still a goal and emotion.. Ex- people not caring if someone lives or die is apathetic, not caring is they die is nihilism.
I know right. so goddamn cringe. its literally "0 social skills, awkward and a massive loser" masquerading as this calm, cool, calculative genius, who unintentionally feels 1 dimensional
@@_.Max.i.mus._ why are you so angry at them lmfao. it’s like your projecting should they just pretend to be super bubbly and outgoing ? if they have no social skills pretending that they do won’t change anything
having low empathy/no empathy or simply not understanding how emotions work doesnt necassarily make you a bad person. almost everyone does have cognitive empathy, meaning that maybe you dont understand why someone is crying or not feel bad for them but you know what you could do about it. what you do with that knowledge is up to you.
I've seen Clannad, Pokemon, One Punch man and No game no life. I'm not sure if Tomoya counts as an apathetic character. I agree with you on Saitama. All those others mentioned you showed I haven't seen.
Apathy to me is not an emotion, but rather a result of the hardships you may face in life. A stoic foundation that could turn extreme if left to grow and fester. A coping mechanism that can act like a sword to the people around you, but you yourself view it as a shield. "Why are you so calm?" Someone has to be. "How come you don't show emotion?" Showing emotion is either good or bad depending on the person, there are no absolutes. "You probably just don't care" If I didn't, then I would've gave up sooner. This is not an emotion, this is a mindset. And an unhealthy one if not cared for. Just be aware that if you have someone in your life has the thoughts that I described, don't try to completely get rid of their philosophy. It's there for a reason.
I’m only 27 pages into the light novel for Classroom Of The Elite but it’s already evident how different the main character is in here as compared to the show. So please keep in mind that the Ayanokoji talked about in the video is solely the anime representation. Thanks to everyone who pointed it out.
Oh thank god. I was about to say "My condolences for not being able to read the LN of cote"
I was just about to say this
Do you have any interest in making a video on Ayanokouji, Hikigaya, or Oreki in the future?
whats different about LN Ayanokoji from Anime Ayanokoji?
@@Whysp The anime focusses heavily on the mysterious and meticulous side of his character, but the LN portrays him as a normal person simply trying to befriend people with a mysterious past. Similar, but not the same by any means.
One thing that always troubled me was how people around me would always say " How can you be so calm in this situation? How can you mantain your mind clear and not go crazy" and i've always thought it was because I was just a rational person thinking that it doesn't make any sense to scream, cry, or vent about stuff when its already happened . Only after watching the way Hachiman acted, I actually started noticing some similar traits and patterns which, kind of scared me. I've never described myself as an apathic person but I've always felt like I was a calmer person than average.
I mean but fr, how can anyone take life seriously. It is way too facilitating and exciting, I understand that not for all the facilitating part is true, but hey part of identity is reflection of your past experiences, and I wouldn’t mind a villain arc, after all in pursuit of truth we don’t discriminate with pleasantries or setbacks.
@@eve_______ it's giving 12
Same for me, but just saying that wouldn't make anyone convinced ofc. However simply yes, I feel this, getting Called a robot or sociopathical just bc I lack outward emotion is frustrating but I'm too tired out to care.
@@theone8602 It took Picasso 4 years to draw like Raphael but a lifetime to draw like a kid.
So maybe you are on the right track.
@@DripMoment same
Honestly, so many want to appear apathetic because it’s an edgy phase or because they want to portray their favourite characters, but genuinely having an outlook like this sucks. So many people think it’s as simple as “oh I’m just smarter than anyone” but in reality you have nobody to relate to, nobody who understands how you feel, and more often than not this means you have trouble receiving love and giving it out to others.
It's not the feeling of being smart really it's more of wanting to do something but not half way through which ends up leaving you not doing anything at all or at list that how i felt for a while
This. It always comes across to me like the people who want to appear apathetic don't quite comprehend what it seems to be truly apathetic, and it sorta brings down my entire perception/sympathy for 'apathy'.
yeah. you just feel numb and really empty, and you become complacent when everything around you is going to shit. it’s not a good mindset at all. the reason i ended up this way at some point was actually because i was failing my classes. it really has nothing to do with being intelligent and it has everything to do with needing a shitty coping mechanism for your very emotionally straining situations. you shouldn’t lock your emotions up and away because you just end up caring about absolutely nothing which can lead to you making detrimental decisions in your life
Yeah, I appreciate how many characters are like in anime though because its nice to see relatable struggles and especially the ones where the character slowly learns to open up
Nah it’s cool af that’s why we love ayankoji
crazy thing is ayanokoji is someone who displays apathy cause he's bored like oreki but because hes completely emotionless lol, he wants to do normal things but those stuff were took from him
no, it's mentioned that he wants to stay in the background and not attract any attention. He wasn't bored with anything. He has great mental and physical capabilities but dislikes boasting about them.
He wants to be normal, and in the novels has expressed a desire to feel love or change his “all people are tools mindset.” He is considered by the white room to be the “masterpiece” however he doesn’t want to be. Reading the novels and the lines about how he knows he can never be free of the white room but will resist until the bitter end is quite saddening in my opinion.
@@Fw.tsuki.月 i guess you could say he's the victim of his own environment?
how can a 200iq psychopathic lab rat kid be normal, he’s such a fun character to watch
@@rajkishansingh589 are you dumb? Obviously he doesn’t want attention but he wants emotions back to just be a normal human
as someone who just stumbled on this looking for more apathetic characters because it’s the mood i’ve felt for so many years, i’m looking forward to watching Oregairu now. the series (while not the best but still my favorite) that literally started my apathetic understanding as a kid was Nabari No Ou, which has its issues but after the first three episodes just tells a story i wasn’t it expecting to go down. it has some of my favorite characters in it and both Miharu and Yoite speak to me on a physical level.
I haven't seen Nabari No Ou but now I'll definitely give it a try. I'm glad you liked the video enough to want to watch Oregairu! Genuinely one of my favorite shows.
this explains so much why i dont really care most the time, when i was younger i never took much notice in others, i found people boring so i put my focus alternating between focusing on figuring out the nature of reality and nature itself to running around climbing trees, i was always the fastest and i connect well with my intalectual side, though im dyslexic but dont care so maybe i just dont care what others think about me even if my opinion of them isnt low
I have these weird ”waves” of apathy where i don’t feel anything, all emotionall connection to people (i ”love”) get severed, i treat people like shit, just cause i don’t care. Then like a day or 2 later im ”normal” again and start feeling bad about the shit that i did (tho usually im happy i did what i did because it ends with me being better off, and i both hate myself for it but am also thankful for it)
Bro same do you know why it happens?
@@shi707ro cuz we sociopaths XD
@@ashenito nah i can't believe that
I really need an answer tho
@@shi707ro idk, mabye people like us just work in a different way? I think its something deeper than just like; a feeling. You know? Hope you figure it out though, i dont feel like i want to find out why, because i might not like the answer, but thats just me haha
@@ashenito yeah i agree with you but this thing is actually ruining my healthy relationships and i can't seem to find a solution xD anyway i'll keep searching
being able to truly empathize with others is a gift.
Living life with the "it is what it is" attitude yeah...
Dude I Thought this was an atleast 300k subscribers channel. You deserve more subs. SUBBED. great video.
Very interesting and detailed analysis! I don't see apathy as a subject that's covered all that often in anime analysis videos (at least I don't think?) I think to some extent, yeah, everybody feels apathetic sometimes and experience the different types of apathy (the kind you feel due to loneliness vs the kind you feel because something is too easy, like playing on Very Easy mode in a video game). In the field of psychology we refer to apathy as "emotional blunting" which can result from Depression and other mental illnesses. As someone who suffers from Depression and who has also struggled with fitting in, i can definitely relate. I can relate to the apathetic feeling you get when things are too easy, too (sorry, I'm not trying to come off as arrogant). In school I became apathetic because I didn't think anybody really liked me or wanted to be my friend. For the most part I avoided others, kept to myself, and yeah I remember how it felt. I'm lucky to have found some good friends anyway that put in the effort to get to know me despite my lack of trying. Still I remember how it felt, walking around the playground at recess when those few good friends weren't around, or being in gym class and not having a gym partner, or simply preferring to just walk around the track the entire class time instead.
I don't know whether or not my classmates truly thought I was weird or whether they were actually actively avoiding me, but that didn't matter because, whatever the reality of the situation, I perceived them as not liking me. And that led to me isolating myself, and feeling resentment towards my peers. I'm ashamed to say, I was rather immature back then. I partially coped with my loneliness by looking down on my classmates, thinking I was smarter and more mature than them. I put the blame on them for my lack of social skills, when maybe that wasn't really fair. Maybe my classmates didn't dislike me, maybe they didn't think I was "weird" or "annoying". But I'll never know, because I just retreated further into myself instead of trying to reach out. Sorry haha, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent or make this all about me. Anyway, I guess moral of the story is don't assume automatically that people don't like you or that you don't have a chance with someone. You'll never know until you try, or as basketball player Wayne Gretzky said "You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take." If I could do it again I think I would try a little harder to connect with my peers and make more friends.
Very good video. I enjoyed watching it.
Idk about your "analysis" of Ayanokoji (even assuming an anime-only pov and not mentioning the ln). It's probably "your experience" as you said at 0:38 and my experience that lead to the difference in perspectives.
This is where I would insert my essay on the analysis of Ayanokoji as a character but I want to hold off until the series is over (most likely in 5-6 years) and also read other kinds of literature.
Yeah I'm anime only but reading what people have said is making want to read the LN. Based on the LN, the entire Ayanokoji part may be invalid. Thanks for bringing it up and I'd love to read your essay on his character tbh
@@2liip I don't want to overhype the light novels too much. but the anime is ok (very interesting ending) but imho the light novels are a masterpiece. I hope you read them and enjoy them as much as I did.
One day I'm writing that essay for sure :)
@@knkootbaoat6759 Be sure to let me read it when you do write it
@@2liip bet
9:47 I don t know why i subscribes... great video bro keep it up
I'm happy saitama is starting to get people into his life like Genos and King. This video just reminded me of how much they mean to him now.
Bruh why only 500 subs this is such a great video!
gotta say, i don't really want to project on characters all that much, having them being interesting is underrated. projecting and relating to characters can be depressing when you have a depressed life
I think that's where a lot of seasonals come in. I definitely think it's refreshing to take a break form all of the psychological and sad shows to just watch a feel good SOL or comedy. I'm not sure what you have and haven't seen, but I think something like Dr. Stone or a shonen might entertain you. I hope you find something to cheer you up!
@@2liip i guess, there's some in my list to watch anyway. I mean the whole "apathetic characters are better when relatable" can get a lil boring after a while, i don't think being able to project on them is what makes them good, but again i prefer a fleshed out character whatever is their personality in the end.
@@Tsuki14Moonlight That's valid
And another thing... It is a massive error for a writer to create a character relatable enough that a person can put themselves in their place. It is IMPERATIVE that characters in books, TV shows and anime be their own entities, because if they aren't, the viewer might as well just go off and live their own life, as living inside the characters they are seeing on the screen will have only the same value, not greater value, as living does. For the people who value the art form of writing, or TV production, or anime and manga to a degree necessary to be considered a fan, rather than a casual toe dipper, this level of characterisation is simply unacceptable in every way. We aren't here to live inside a character made for the purpose of self insertion. We are here to experience something new, meet new people and follow their unique journeys, AND experience their unique perspectives. When you write for the purpose of permitting a broad audience to sit within a character comfortably, you steal everything that makes a character watchable and interesting, instead of making them compelling and drawing the viewer in. Its a massive error, and needs fixing. Thats not to say there is anything wrong with apathetic characters, but writing for self insertion is always a fail.
My 3 favorite anime character ever in the thumbnail
6:40 i remember trying to be as unnoticeable and average as possible back in Highschool...
*Doesn't work* 🤣🤣
especially considering I had below average social skill, and way below average understanding things my generation enjoyed because of how sheltered I was.
you re so sweet. thank you for the video.
The only actually truly apathetic character I know is the unnamed protagonist of zaregoto.
Great video though! You should make more!
Exerpt from the first zaregoto light novel:
“I didn’t know who our worlds revolved around, but this world revolved around the sun. That’s all there was to it, really, and it never amounted to anything more. And that goes for everyone.
The truth is always out of my reach.
And what’s more, I never really care to reach for it.
Maybe that was the problem. This was probably what Aikawa-san meant by “slacking.”
“Eh, that doesn’t matter. I don’t live to sit here and think about those kinds of things, and it’s not like I’m trying to change the world or solve its mysteries. When I’m confronted with a puzzle, it’s just annoying. If I can just keep on living like this tomorrow, that’ll be enough.
The world just does what it wants, and even if it didn’t, that would have nothing to do with me, and even if it did have something to do with me, I wouldn’t be interested. I’ve never wanted to become someone, and I’ve never felt like there was something I had to do. Sometimes I wonder if that’s okay, but in the end, that doesn’t really matter to me, either.”
@@icecp6532 I've always wanted to get into and read the Zaregoto series because it seems really interesting. Do you know where I could find english translations of it? Last I checked, only a few volumes were in English, and they were only fan translated.
@@2liip The first book has a pretty good anime adaptation that covers most of it. Only volumes 1-3 have official translations, but fan-translations for the rest can be found on “sway translations”. The good thing about zaregoto and nisioisin’s stories in general are that they’re very separate from each other, meaning the stories are self-contained, so you can stop anytime. The first two books are absolutely amazing and I can’t recommend it more.
@@icecp6532 Alright, I'll look into starting it sometime soon!
very good vid
I've almost finished Chunibyo Heart Throb and I've only seen season 1 of part timer devil.
Yujiro hanma also has apathy cause he's too strong
thank you
When you grew up, you will understand Apathy isn't a thing to glorify, seeking true emotion does.
Apathy is the reason causing growth stagnation, that's why most talented kids ended up failing in life
Jokes on you, every apathetic anime character was made to represent me
Saitama's challenge/struggle isn't combat; it's _PR_ he horribly lacks the skills to rally people on his side.
Apathy and being unreadable isn't the same thing. And in my case I'm really good at appearing apathetic however, inside I might feel hurt, or angry or just sad. And I'm getting to a point where I accept my emotions. And want them guided.
Haha
I can relate
I too don't find punching todlers exciting 😐
Well I don't know if in the case of Ayanokoji it is apathy or straight up being a sociopath.
You mentioned apathy caused by being too good at something (lack of challenge) leading to boredom and apathy caused by loneliness and depression (detatchment). However,, I think there's also a third type of apathy.
The kind of apathy where you're in a situation and you don't have any good options, so you just... accept whatever is about to happen (fatalism). You might pick the least bad option, but you don't really care because you've given up hope of being able to find anything better. So you just go though the motions, making choices you don't believe in because you've accepted that nothing you do is going to make much of a difference.
In the worst case scenario, this can become a cycle that's extremely hard to break without external intervention.
very well said, thank you
Yep same, mine is due to medical illness that can’t be treated so I’m in perpetual pain and disappointment with doctors and any results from treatment.
I agree
That's interesting. What do you think about apathy caused by traumatic experiences? Like having a consistent traumatic childhood? I feel like all kinds of apathy are kind of detached. But in case of a traumatic childhood, I wouldn't really categorize it as loneliness and depression or necessarily fatalism?
@@lunagrace2872seems like death could have been a better option or nonexisted. The total despair.
Apathy is best portrayed in *"A Silent Voice!"*
I was thinking so as well!
Yeah, at least it's most realistic than other edgy characters.
@@almostmonk5523 Like which edgy characters
How
noyes nabari sutsuki ou
My theory about why apathy would be so well portrayed in anime as opposed to other media is that work culture in japan is depressingly meaningless, working to maintain; not create, share, enrich, just to keep expectations as they are. As such these writers would have friends that have felt like this or felt it themselves.
Jesus
Best apathy portrayal in anime is Shinichi from Parasyte: the Maxim. His realization that he was behaving abnormally and doubts about his own humanity are very relatable in a way that isn't too forced.
I LOVE THAT SHOW
Although everyone tends to appreciate the show, I felt like the show was a complete disappointment, compared to the amount of positive opinions it receives. The story does not have a central theme apart from the character turning into something of an 'alien'. It goes something along the Tokyo Ghoul way, except the ending is pretty anti-climatic and sudden. Also there's a sudden, forced, 'protect the environment ' message at the end which basically came out of nowhere. I mean did Migi accidentally just remembered that day that humans have been polluting the environment? And then temporarily the show behaves as if it had been leading to this conclusion all way along, when it's clear that it didn't. There was no foreshadowing or hints dropped related to the ' environment stuff ' at all in the show. At the end, while most people rate it 8-10/10, to me it felt like a lost potential mostly and it could've been the next Tokyo Ghoul. Overall 5/10 at most
I really like how you analyse each character in a "critical thinking" way. Keep up the good work! This kind of content really deserves more attention.
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It's insane how much more apathy is portrayed in the LN of cote, the way Ayanokoji describes his action's while realising the average individual's reaction towards him and his plans/ideas is wildly different as they clearly display an expression of confusion or doubt is such a strong juxtaposition towards the reader. Great content my dude.
I feel like the cycle of hachiman is he does actions, those actions change others perspectives of him. Leading those people to change him.
That's a really good way to sum up Hachiman. His actions are often good spirited in the sense that he wants to help people and, because of that, those people want to help him back .
An angle that most people miss is the Japanese cultural one. Japan is one of the safest, most risk-adverse societies with very burdensome social rules. A lot of people experience the inflexibility and lack of freedom in everything as an extreme sort of boredom and can feel that choices don't really matter. The feeling of apathy, passiveness and indifference is something that permeates much of Japanese society.
Apathy is a form of avoidance. Avoidance is a hell to get over. Personally, my apathy appeared after my anxiety got so bad that I stopped trying to fight it: aka, I burnt out. I don't want people to think that apathy is a valid coping mechanism. When I hear about these romanticizations of apathy, I start to think if my own mental illness can become a strength or whether it's really a bad thing.
Oh definitely. I think the last thing people should do is normalize these kinds of feelings, but I do think that knowing and understanding what's wrong is one of the first steps towards bettering oneself.
I depends...sometimes apathy toward some circumstances can help you think of clearing it through it with a rational mind. Though normalizeing it as something is bad for one's social life.
The part about projecting yourself into the character hits really hard. I can't imagine how much time in my life, especially when I was younger, that I probably spent doing this. For me it was a form of inspiration. I could compare my apathy to having really severe writers block (except towards personal development/life). Watching these types of characters always brought me hope that I could take a step forward even wihout being able to feel it out whilr in a state of apathy. I've been to dark places, but this helped me stay out of so many more.
i think one of the best portrayals of apathy has to be Subaru's backstory in Re:Zero season 2
Really liked that someone is giving attention to Hyouka. It's one of the best anime yet highly underrated. The depressed guys edit has made a bad presentation about Oreki. He is not depressed but he is lazy. And the laziness is shown on his face. He is not enthusiastic. But storyline and character developments make Hyouka a must watch anime. It has good animation along with good sound effects.
Spoiler warning for OMORI because im dumb:
A form of apathy not shown in anime but in a video game is Sunny from OMORI. Sunny has been apathetic since he was the cause of his old sisters death (sorry for spoilers if you haven’t played) which has been for four years now in the story. He has forced down his emotions and instead chooses to reside in his own headspace away from the harsh reality of the real world.
Yess I immediately thought of Sunny!
it would've been easier if you put a warning instead of an apology for said spoiler 🗿
I would have appreciated a spoiler warning beforehand :/
Dude the spoiler warning is supposed to come BEFORE the spoiler. I planned to play this game but now it's been spoiled :/
@@garlicbread4792 i found out this spoiler before i played too bc i wanted to know abt the game before playing.
But its still a REALLY good game and still my fav
An Apathetic character I like is "Wang Ling" from "The Daily life of the Immortal King" which is a Chinese anime.
I would categorize him as a mix between Saitama (One Punch Man) and Mob (Mob Psycho 100).
This is due to him being way too strong for any kind of challenge and because his emotions are suppressed.
He has a item which suppresses his emotions because it will destroy the world
Real moments of apathy hurt in a way where you think you are broken. I wonder why I can’t feel the same way many people do about certain things. I can understand their feelings but I never experience it. I think my apathy came from an abusive childhood so my response was to feel either happiness or nothing at all. Any other feeling couldn’t show or things would get messy.
Now I feel like I have no depth to my emotions at times. I want to be passionate or but it also feels fake because I have the think myself into about feeling that way. I tell myself I should be mad at this situation but I just can’t… idk
I have never heard of apathy before, but I think I might have experienced it for a while. A Kind of sudden fear that nothing I could ever do, would ever matter and there was no future worth living. I think it's a kind of loneliness, because that was at a time when I had no one I could share my experiences with. That happend during my Holidays. Once I got back to school and had a "classtrip"(I hope that's the translation) I stopped having this feeling. Still I sometimes have the feeling that I will never be as invested into anything as in the past. That's usually when I ate Ramen noodles from certain brands. Still I eat them
Thats not apayhy but more likely anxiety or depression. The video is not correct since apathy is not an emotion but rather the lack of emotion.
I just feel like I want to dissappear, like I'm pretty sure I'm an apathetic person. And its not a good thing.. I get called names for it and ofc some think I'm just " acting " so I look cringe to others, I just feel so dead inside and empty I just don't want to exist. Everything is technically purposeless. But I'll still try, I want to learn lots anyways, that's probably only because if I have nothing else to show than my face then I'd just be another nobody in a crowd of people.
Being apathetic especially sucks bc I do actually really relate to ayanokoji, but when or if I say that I just look cringe, like a personality rider. So I just stay quiet until I'm asked something, most of the time
Ofc I'm not a great fighter unlike ayanokoji, but. Yk
@@rawrx ya apathy is literally you feel nothing.. it’s not an emotion. Nothing affects you, you don’t react .. it’s a lack of care especially for others.
Someone can be on fire.. and you just shrug and walk away.. no one should want to be apathetic but apathy is playing the world right now.
The lack of caring for another is incredibly scary..
Apathy is literally the defining characteristic of “Shikabane” from Aggretsuko tbh. Her name also means “Corpse” in Japanese.
Apathy shown in anime looks cool but in reality it is extremely difficult to deal with. Yes, it helps with dealing witn breakups or loss as if doesnt emotionally impact you, but you loose emotion from rest of the things as well. I have been suffering through it for years, finding it difficult to get out of bed and feeling motivated to even do anything. Even when my loved ones died there were times when i found it hard to even cry whereas i should have been heart broken. There are some sparks of emotion at random times in the middle of the night when suddenly i wake up from a dream and start feeling emotional to cry my eyes out, but it all goes back next day. I used to think of it as a superpower, as a switch to turn of my emotions and not feel pain when i was younger but now i would give anything to feel anything be it sadness, happiness, jealousy. One day i was talking to my friend when i said i dont want anything more in my life , i am content that even if I die it is ok. At that point we both realized how serious my condition had become that i had even lost my motivation to live. I have been improving day by day slowly by giving myself small tasks or quests to feel productive and motivated.
I'll be real, it feels apathetic rn. I just transferred to another school, and it feels my motivation sooo drained. I used to feel so motivated in putting so much effort in my homework, and Art be sure I'm soo excited. Rn it feels Idc about what's happening in the friends lives, the knew franchises, and I don't feel excited drawing as much as I missed the feeling of getting lost in the art.
...Hyouka always reminded me of myself, when I watched it I was suprised to how much he qcted like me, having talent but no want to try for it, even If I had it I wouldnt go for it for long, as I dont care.
does nagi seishiro from blue lock fall under the apathetic character category? also do you think you will make a video covering nagi seishiro's personality and or trope similar to how you did with this video? :)
"may not be physically strong" lol Ayanokoji could take anyone in the verse and beat them to a pulp with one hand.
"forced into the literature club"
Why do I hear piano music....?
i definitely wouldn't describe apathy the way he did in the vid. Apathy is lack of emotion
So this is the emotion I've been feeling this whole time, I never knew that this emotion had a name.
Apathy isn’t an emotion. It’s literally the epitome of no emotion. Apathy comes from not caring at all for other people or external environment.
You do t want to be apathetic. It’s not something to be proud of.
I think what you’re feeling is emptiness. That’s a feeling, it hurts.. apathy doesn’t hurt. Literally.. a robot is apathetic, lonely , depressed and being empty is like someone squeezing your chest but there nothing there
@@acutelilmint8035 Well I might just be being emo or something like that because to me, saying that I'm apathetic makes me cringe, but I have no problem with being this way.
Yea give me godlike powers and I assure you I will never get bored of them. Id have my pet project of restoring the prūšu nation. Id oversee the architectural revival in The West. Id test if a society made up of only clones of the top 25% by inteligence of my nation (men and women counties sepretly) would be heavenly. Id have fun with the wife I found the regular way and the waifu and brought to laifu. Id banish all outlanders from my land and restore proper borders to eastern Europe. Id go meet all my online friends IRL. Id roam the land finding truly noble people and giving them a lifespan that would naturally last over a century and a half. Id crush all evil where I see it. Id build cafes and inns in my land as a way for people to socialize more and also know that they might just run in to me there someday. Id shapeshift whenever I feel like it. Go pake plenty of puns and references to my favorite games. Play videogames and watch anime like I do now. Finance the making of new works for me to watch. ... Id never grow bored even tho I would give myself a 200 year lifespan.
Generally, I like Anime. But I despise those much to often very apathetic main protagonists, and I more often than not stopped watching a series just because of this. Gullible, clueless, indecisive, and apathetic - since the Japanese practically grow up with heroes like this as role models for decades now, I wonder how this nation still does exist.
If I where given godlike powers I would never grow bored. I have wisdom so apretiate the calm and dont want anything out of the ordinary. Its interesting how most people dont want to live a normal life until they expierience a bunch of problems and wish they could go back to living normally. For me godlike powers would just solve all my problems and I would then exist in a state of peaceful bliss (when I dont go out having fun being able to do literally anything I want).
this is a good video. I should check out your other videos
Man this is such a well done video, It's hard to believe it was from such a small corner of the internet, but seriously it was really well done. On another topic though your
"many people, have experienced loneliness, many people have hated themselves and many people have wanted to do something about themselves so badly but never lifted a finger to do so"
hit way to close to home, as someone who has wanted to change for years, yet never actually do anything to change or if I do never following suite. So that hurt, but I'd also like to add, my form of Apathy was something back in the day I used to put up to prevent myself from harm, or so I thought. As such with my disappointment with most of the world, I used it as a barrier to trick myself into believing I didn't care. Nowday's I have much more to hold onto and much more to lose, friends, family and others. But I do believe that apathy comes in its own flavour for everyone. This was my little internet rant, feel free to ignore it.
Eren and eldians are very fuckin relatable if your black bc not to the shows stakes but scarily close millions apon millions of our people where stolen and even before that have been persecuted by the rest of the world for something we couldn’t change our skin not for violence or anything just our skin was enough for us to be deemed less then human and demonized and murdered and ALOT of people to this day still hold these feelings and lies they have been told we live in a country that unfairly bias towards us and still there is little to no justice and our own government has put missions and plans together to spite and poison us,to kill us,to enslave and inprison us,they have even put people within our communities that have ultimately lead to decline and destruction of our communities and it was all purposeful and it can cause apathy to stay sane to all of this the only thing i can say is atleast the government gave eldians peace because of power they had and the destruction they could cause they atleast had some peaceful years tho in real life for all black people in this world there is no great power we have that could give us that peace no ability that would even purpose liberation for us…
Is there a reason he didn't mention Light Yagami from Death Note ?
We didn’t get that much info from him when he had apathy
All we knew is he was bored in his life like I’m few minutes during ep 1 and after that he just changed into god complex attitude
I'm very late to seeing this video, but as someone who has had many lengthy apathetic episodes, i loved this video. It's strange to go through a time where you struggle to care about or feel anything, and explaining it to someone else is difficult. I was unfamiliar with most of these characters besides Kotaro from Hyouka, one of my favorite characters ever, so i enjoyed seeing more characters that portray this emotion well. This also got me to finally watch Oregairu!
My personal favorite character that displays apathy is probably Rei Kiriyama from sangatsu no lion. He probably falls into the "unchallenged" group, but at the same time he struggles to go up the ranks despite being a prodigy. It's difficult to explain, but his story and how he dealt with his depression and apathy were really inspiring to me.
I'm glad! I need to watch sangatsu no lion so badly 😭. one day.. :)
I like they way you pointed out how they all felt apathy differently.
Seem like it always stems from indifference? As in, not having someone to relate to or at the least perceive it that way
This was such a nice view and analysis on the characters mentioned! And seeing Aomine being referenced, while I recently started watching the anime and really rooting for the guy, made me consider his conundrum of "The only one who could beat me is me" in a completely different light!
I hope you keep up the amazing work. Can't wait to see your next analysis video!
i was going to leave a comment but then decided it would be pointless.
My Teen RomCom was brutal to watch the first time. Though, it is refreshing to see an anime protag with a wholesome and healthy relationship with his family.
LAIN IS APATHY
Aaaaaaa oregairu one of the best if not th best of slice of life anime
@Slip Right now , I have been apathetic for 6 months , I wanted to do everything yet I couldn't due to my situation and now I'm feeling nothing and just want to do what everyone else can do or what I was able to do , I have found many things that this situation is called including *numbness* or *emotional* *numbness* . This is the first time actually when I have heard about apathy and I thank you for making this video as it relates to me deeply and I think your deep understanding of apathy stems from yourself being apathetic or you once we're , either way I thank you for making this video.
I don’t know if I would have “apathy”, but I do feel that deep loneliness even though I have friends. It feels like I just can’t connect with anyone. The feeling of loneliness in a group is the worst.
places that CSM meme of Denji going "Damn he just like me FR!" in here
Soo guess I’m an Apathy personality.
Good to know.
Kinda weird too that is also have a name.
I never know it.
does makoto yuki from persona 3 count?
Not bad. Also, I commented!
i do think its a good idea if you know what i mean
Liked for Oreki
Commented for Decim.
Aldnoah zero for some premium apathy
Hey, Calc. I love that song.
you forgot mob he is a great example
Apathy is also displayed extremely well through the character of Kanao Tsuyuri in Demon Slayer. Because of her miserable, abusive past, she completely broke and struggled to feel any emotion whatsoever. As the series goes on, however, she's motivated and emboldened by the friends and family beside her and manages to slowly be able to feel more and connect more over time. It's done very beautifully.
That's the nerdy talk i like to hear
At least for me, Apathy is something Akin to a room. That room has a couch and infinite hallways leading out of it. Some people look down the hallways and see darkness, but like the walls or the carpet and thus pick a hallway and start walking down it. However, some people have better eyesight and can see the end of the hallways. They see the same dead end -or what seems to them as the same dead end- at the end of every hallway and decide "Since it's all the same, I might as well stay in the room because the couch is comfortable"
Genuinely a really good analogy. Complacency is very self destructive though, sometimes you have to walk to the end regardless of how uninteresting it seems.
The depth of the emotional connection I felt to 8man is simply something I can't put into words. I've been apathetic in a very similar way for a very long time, and the feeling is indescribable seeing that there is a road back from this life, it was as if there were the tiniest glimmer of hope for the first time in a long time.
u got such a sweet voice in the end
The apathy I've felt over the course of my life probably comes from mainly alienation. Alienation by being too good at certain skills, from not being good at talking to people, from no one understanding my emotions or interests, etc. It's fun to see a variety of characters going through the motions
Apathy - lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern. Well that is actually how normal people see apathetic people as and the thing is apathetic people do have interest, concern, and a bit of enthusiasm but due to the harshness of life they hide these emotions as a defense mechanism. I love Oregairu, Attack On Titan, Classroom Of The Elite, Hyouka, Kuroko No Basket, One Punch Man, Death Parade and the way they portray apathy but what bothers me the most if how people react to it when seeing an apathetic person in an anime and an apathetic in real life. Now when it comes to a person from an anime people tend to relate and feel bad for them for the character right? Most people tend to realize they also have the same characteristics of the character. Real apathetic people on the other hand is another story, people call them emo, lonely, introverts. Now I'm not much of an apathetic person but I get called out for looking depressing and edgy and I got laughed at once in the mall for looking emo even though I looked like just another guy at the mall (I wasn't even wearing those emo accessories). I don't know what I'm saying anymore
I developed apathy from INTENSE INTENSE boredom. Boredom has thus far been the most PAINFUL emotion I have ever felt. Its so empty, its so defeating, it feels like there's no solution. When I was going through a miscarriage, I opened up my old journals from when I was in highschool and read about how bored and empty I was and it was honestly so comforting because yes I was going through a misscariage, bleeding out, losing a baby, but ATLEAST I wasnt bored!
Weirdly relatable
this
I genuinely hate these kinds of characters, it's like looking in a black hole. Their existence seems so pointless. But I do wanna watch an anime where the protagonist goes on a journey to get better. Also hope you upload again, I haven't seen anyone talk about this and I think it's interesting.
I don’t think many are apathetic characters, apathy, real apathy is a robot. Someone empty but can grow, wants to find meaning, is empty, lost, depressed, hollow, but it’s not apathy.
We have apathetic tendency’s but there is no apathetic personality.. that’s a robot.
Someone believing existence is pointless and therefore self aware self destructive is nihilism, it’s close to apathy.. but wanting to watch the world burn is still a goal and emotion..
Ex- people not caring if someone lives or die is apathetic, not caring is they die is nihilism.
I know right. so goddamn cringe. its literally "0 social skills, awkward and a massive loser" masquerading as this calm, cool, calculative genius, who unintentionally feels 1 dimensional
@@_.Max.i.mus._ why are you so angry at them lmfao. it’s like your projecting
should they just pretend to be super bubbly and outgoing ? if they have no social skills pretending that they do won’t change anything
Why am I getting all choked up bro..
nice job m’guy
Very Enjoyable
Very well explained
Nice
having low empathy/no empathy or simply not understanding how emotions work doesnt necassarily make you a bad person. almost everyone does have cognitive empathy, meaning that maybe you dont understand why someone is crying or not feel bad for them but you know what you could do about it. what you do with that knowledge is up to you.
Dude, no exposing 1:40
This is such an awesome video, i dont know why but i felt like crying toward the end ahah. Got a sub from me, keep up the great work.
Hy, like your essays, wanna create a piece together?
Just commenting.
god dam this was a great video.. great choice of words👏🏽
I've seen Clannad, Pokemon, One Punch man and No game no life. I'm not sure if Tomoya counts as an apathetic character. I agree with you on Saitama. All those others mentioned you showed I haven't seen.
Apathy to me is not an emotion, but rather a result of the hardships you may face in life.
A stoic foundation that could turn extreme if left to grow and fester.
A coping mechanism that can act like a sword to the people around you, but you yourself view it as a shield.
"Why are you so calm?" Someone has to be.
"How come you don't show emotion?" Showing emotion is either good or bad depending on the person, there are no absolutes.
"You probably just don't care" If I didn't, then I would've gave up sooner.
This is not an emotion, this is a mindset. And an unhealthy one if not cared for.
Just be aware that if you have someone in your life has the thoughts that I described, don't try to completely get rid of their philosophy. It's there for a reason.