The Mystery of the "Sindia"
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Some shipwrecks are under the ocean. Others are buried in sands on beaches. The Sindia, hull number 204 at Harland and Wolff, is only a few yards from the shore, well beneath the sand in Ocean City, New Jersey.
I've got a piece of porcelain from her that my dad gave me long ago, but is this piece actually part of a complex cover-up by one of the richest men in modern history?
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I would say my best “treasure” find was in Springfield Illinois. While walking around I found a piece of ceramic. White and blue, looked to be like some kind of a China plate.
Brought it to the front office, it turned out to be part Abraham Lincoln’s China kitchenware from his original house. It was a triangular piece, maybe 2”
inches at the base and 4 inches tall. I was maybe 12-14 at the time and had no use for it, so I donated it to the museum there.
I feel honored that I found a piece of history that now sits in a highly guarded shelf.
My grandmother was friends with an elderly lady named Mrs. Corson, back in the 1970's. She was the widow of the captain
of one of the rescue boats that assisted the sailors on the Sindia when it was wrecked. She had a very large porcelain vase
that came from the ship, and was a gift to Captain Corson from the Sindia's owners in appreciation for his efforts. My sister
and I used to visit her when we were little kids, and she was quite a remarkable and memorable woman, with long fingernails
painted bright red (I used to refer to them as her 'daggers' which she thought was very funny). I remember seeing parts of
the Sindia sticking out of the water; so close, yet so far away for a 6 year old boy who couldn't swim. I remember being
fascinated and frightened of the wreckage.
These personal stories add so much to the tale!
Because of you, I have now a newfound interest of all things ships. This one is truly a treasure. Keep them coming, Tom.
That's wonderful to hear :)
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I used to play around the remains of the Sindia in the late 1950s and early 60s at low tide. There was a large twisted object with a hub and a number of iron spokes that we believed was a winch. There were a few bit of bulkhead just poking above the sand, but nothing identifiable and it was impossible to determine the size, shape or orientation of the wreck.
An old friend of mine who grew up in the Mobile(AL) bay area. She works at Fort Gaines on Dauphin Island, AL. In the forts museum there are several pieces of plates from China. She told me trading ships would load up with ceramic China plates which they were able to buy dirt cheap and use them as ballast. When the arrived at there destination they would just toss the plates overboard. When the army core of engineers filled in the gulf side gun bastions with sand moved from the west end of the island. You can still find little peices of blue and white ceramic plates.
It seems very plausible, perhaps even likely, that the _Sindia_ was carrying contraband cargo of some kind; some of it may have indeed been silver coin. What exactly it could have been and for what purpose is lost to history.
As to the reason for the beaching, it's possible it could have been deliberate. Yet, it's also possible that the ship's hull was showing signs of some fracturing and flooding even though it wasn't serious. Even though the _Sindia_ was only a few hours away from it's port destination, the storm was severe and dangerous. The master, Allan MacKenzie, might have thought that there was simply too much risk of any damage worsening and the ship breaking apart. Perhaps the value of contraband cargo might have also led him to be more cautious than otherwise. This is, of course, conjecture.
What an amazing video. I grew up in Ocean City NJ and my dad did as well. When he was a kid he was obsessed with the Sindia. He said you could actually see the mast in the 70’s. When I was a child we went to the Sindia museum so many times because we couldn’t get enough of the artifacts. Thank you so much for sharing this.
My great grand parents had a summer home in Ocean City when the Sindia ran aground . As efforts to get her off the bar were futile and when the owners decided to sell off the cargo , customers , the public were ferried by life boat to the ship where items were displayed and sold . Later a pier was built out to the ship and a shop was constructed to serve as a store for items moved over as the hull became more and more unstable . Or so I am told . Anyway , my great grandfather actually got to board the ship and purchased some items. One was a nice porcelain tea pot which I now own . It is brown glazed with small dot flowers to decorate it . The pot was passed to my Grandmother , to my mother and to me . I will pass it to one of my children . If anyone ever has the opportunity to visit Ocean City N.J. , stop at the library they have a vast display of artifacts , including the ships figurehead . And if I remember correctly the ships rudder and post are outside .
There is also the Legend of gold that was part of the cargo and at various times reports of someone looking to salvage it popup . Like the silver coins , I expect that if true that would have been the first thing removed .
That said I enjoyed this article and heard a few things I had not heard before . Like the hull leaking ? I know that like many island communities there were shipwreckers who would set up a false beacon luring unsuspecting ships into shore for the purpose of stealing their cargos . about ten miles north is Brigantine NJ and a thriving business was done there in the 18th and 19th centuries
My family vacationed there for 50 years. I have a piece of wood that is likely from that wreck. Found it when it washed up about 200 yards from the site. That pier has been a staple of the fishing community since I was a child. If you’re ever in ocean city, have a meal at Bobs on the boardwalk. You won’t be disappointed
Oh yes, the SINDIA. The picture you showed at the beginning was what I first saw at OC, NJ years ago. As you point out, even up to the eighties there was something there to see...
...and this is exactly my earliest memory of her as well- as a little boy in the 80's gawking at whatever was sticking out of the ocean there- just mesmorized.
Your history with /and of the sea and shipping, is astounding!!!
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Actually, it wasn't the Sindia. It was her near-indentic sister ship Scambodia (the third of the trio was called the Snorth Skorea). They were switched because SCAMbodia was just the much more appropriate name for the job at hand. Also it wasn't the storm that did her in, but a -coal- perfume fire in one of the holds. I bet the Californian was also at the scene, still captained by Walpole at this time, watching to make sure everything goes "according to plan".
I laughed so hard at this
Love it
The Scambodia was completed in 1885 and it was almost identical to the Sindia, save for -the open A deck promenade- a different design of the boat deck. When Sindia was launched, the two ships coexisted until the Scambodia got hit by -the HMS Hawke- another sailing ship. The scambodia was too damaged, and -JP Morgan- Rockefeller wanter money, so he decided to switch the two ships and he wiped out any records of the Scambodia ever existing. The incomplete hull of the Sindia was saved for further use. Th eships were scrapped and the Sindia was rammed into the shore on purpose. It also did a v break so they had to hide this by replacing the wreck with the incomplete hull of the sindia.
You funny.
I was amused in the first part but the Californian reference made me laugh out loud :D
Doing my thesis on the Boxer revolt... Will try my damndest to try ad squeeze in a reference to the Sindia now
My grandmother's family owned land in Ocean City NJ for years during this timeframe. She was 10 years old at the time the Sindia was beached and was carried on the shoulders of her father to see the shipwreck that had become beached during storm. The memory she had passed down to our family was that the captain and the crew had been celebrating and drinking a lot (this certainly could be due to having the silver coins you mention or other cargo not registered). They were not aware how far they had sailed off couse due to the storm. The captain, who was quite inebriated, thought he was closer to the planned destination of New York, took the wheel to compensate the direction and veered off making a sharp turn that ultimately ran the ship aground. She also noted that after a period of time, there were people caught trying to loot the ship's cargo as soon as word circulated about the Sindia being beached. That's probably another reason why the captain and some of the crew remained on the ship to stand guard.
I also heard stories from my grandmother (who lived in Ocean City) that the captain was drunk when the ship ran aground.
Absolutely fascinating mystery!
never wanted a channel to succeed as much as this one. Keep up the good work bro
Thank you :) Gotta find the time to edit these though!
Your work is really good!
A story of intrigue, beautifully told.
Great job with the tinfoil hat scene.
Very interesting, Tom. Well done and very well presented.
Thank you for making this video! I just watched the one you did one the S.S. Atlantis and they are both so well done! I'm one of the people that believe there had to have been something else on the Sindia and always get hopeful when someone tries to make a go of digging her up. I know back in the 90s she was unearthed a bit during a beach replenishment project but like you I am too young to have seen what was left of her on the beach. I hope that maybe one day during one of the dredging projects maybe a bit of her resurfaces or that more treasures wash up on the shore. Its a great story though, and one I love to think about everytime I walk the boardwalk and pass by the pavilion on 16th and 17th streets.
Interesting story. I enjoy your ship and ghost town stories. Much appreciated. Ben from Ireland 🇮🇪
"Something was taken off that ship that was not written down: ancient aliens. That's right, this is now a History Channel crossover episode that nobody saw coming."
0:38 Tin Foil Tom. Love it.
LOL I haven't noticed. That's awesome.
The reason is that the Titanic conspiricy theories are just that. In this case it really does sound highly likely that it was a scam.
Rockefeller was a power hungry psycho and like all power hungry psychos with the money and influence they have they can easily cover up and get away with anything. The same family still runs the world in conjunction with the Rothschilds.
Just discovered your channel and am very impressed. Have been binge watching them. You have improved so much as I have watched chronically. Well done from Western Australia.
That’s wild my last name is sindia, weird I have never heard of this ship before now.
Great vid.
As a kid going to OC with my parents I remember seeing the Sindia.
I dove a lot of the Jersey wrecks starting in 71 and we noticed a lot of them were missing their manifest. At the end of sail they were probably off loaded at another port, scuttled off NJ and the insurance for the ship and cargo used to buy a steamship.
There were also steamers missing cargo and one missing a payroll
Is a ship's manifest something you would ordinarily expect to find on a wreck?
Great story and well told. Jersey has so many wonderful tales to be told.
Beautiful ship with such an interesting history, stories like this just makes maritime history so fascinating!
Your channel popped up today on my feed and I’m thoroughly hooked. Thanks for such great content. 🌟
Fascinating, thank you Tom! My family took some vacations in Ocean City and I can remember seeing the masts.
Watching this from OCNJ. Would love more Sindia content 🌊⚓️
Great story and covered with your expert story telling skills
Comparing the silk craze to the modern anime craze is one of the most apt and accurate comparisons I've ever heard 🤣🤣
I learned of this wreck at a great mini golf excursion in ocean city. I believe there was a few block and tackle artifacts there. Great documentary, I don’t doubt Rockefeller had this plan carried out.
Another beautiful liner, not from the White Star Line (My favorite marine company), but still very interesting, I never heard and saw things about this ship.
Interesting story. I loved it. Nice video Tom.
few brave the sea for anything other than to survive (aka profit)... great history part time exp... theres no tellin what else lies beneath the sands of time of the shores of the sea...thanks for posting tom.
Amazing as always Tom.
I am so glad that this channel was recommended to me. Great job!!!
I watched a four master barque video shot by Irving Johnson last night. Wonderful first hand old video. I nearly got seasick watching it lol.
Awesome video thanks a bunch for putting this together
I enjoy all of your videos & this one is no exception. Thank you.
I’m addicted to these great videos and this channel-more please!
Amazing story. Thank you for taking us there.
Interesting video as always! Thank you for uploading :)
I love your channel and thoroughly enjoy the videos and topics. I could watch your works all day.
Here in the Pacific Northwest, many square riggers were sunk or ran aground for profit (Insurance fraud)...in the last days of sail, when steamships were more profitable....The Bark "Mimi' aground and capsized during attempted salvage in 1913....the Glenesslin ran hard aground on rocks, at the base of a mountain on a clear, sunny day....other possible fraud cases.
Excellent video!
It amazes me how ships can simply be "left" on beaches, and no one, or any institution, government, etc., tries to "save" them, or restore them, or reuse them.
I LIKE HEARING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF DIFFERENT SHIPS
Wouldn't be unlikely. It certainly wasn't unheard-of for vessels to be scuttled for a big insurance payout or to save the cost of disposal when their lives were over. It seems suspicious that the captain and some crewman would stay aboard if they were so concerned by the damage they claim the ship sustained that they felt it needed to be beached. Beaching is a pretty risky and dramatic move after all.
Well, beaching is better than sinking, but.... was the ship actually in danger of that? hmm......
Really cool Tom, thank you!
You admit to being in possession of contraband from the Sindia? The Manganese ore would have been a pretty good cover story. It doesn't really look like silver but very good ore or raw manganese can have a metallic sheen to it. That part of Jersey does have a long history of attracting scammers.....
As a kid in the 70's I spent many hours and days actually surfing around the remains of one of the top masts that still protruded from the water.
Rockefeller would have been hurting for cash at the time due to his failing attempt to corner copper begun in 1899, (he thought he could succeed where Pierre Secretan had failed in 1888), so if there was something extraordinarily valuable aboard he would have tried to recover it if possible. Whether the crew deliberately ran it aground or not I don't know, but most likely several remained aboard on JDR's orders for the purpose of preventing anyone else from filing a salvage claim on it. If there was silver coin aboard it most likely was removed first. Maybe the rest of the cargo had been so damaged by that time that they just sold what they could locally and let the rest go.
Growing up just outside of Ocean City, NJ, I had heard about the wreck of the Sindia. I'd love to find more info about this local historic wreck. Even though I was around in the 70s and 80s, I never visited the wreck, most likely because I wasn't aware of the fact thatbit was disappearing at that time.
Another amazing story.
very good channel you have here :D
What a great Video. History is your forte!
Great video
i like this channel,i've subscribed..i can feel this man passion in maritime history..cool stuff!
Enjoying your solo content so far Tom and I'm looking forward to finding and reading up more on the Sindia. :)
A great mystery, thank you 😊
awesome video! you must be from south jersey if you’re covering the Sindia. I grew up nearby and also guarded for 6 years on the Ocean City Beach Patrol, mainly on the north end and downtown. I used to love telling kids about Sindia.
The Robber Barons apprenticeship! Thanks for sharing and very interesting.
Your quite good at this sir, I'll sub that!
I know this is old but wow its amazing
Happy birthday tom!!!
Wonderful indeed.
Awesome thanks
My goal is to watch all your videos from the first one to the current one. Hopefully I'll get there but it'll take me time since I work full-time 😅😅
The Rockefeller angle is very plausible.
Very interesting!
Tom you and your wife are captivating with these mini documentary's, to be honest I was only interested in the Titanic content but with yalls videos I literally watch them all somehow you get all the interesting aspects of a particular topic. You guys should really be on really TV, btw some of your best work in my opinion were on TH&G the one were you cover the holidays on Titanic and the one were you talking about what she was fitted out with. It was like a series LOVE LOVE LOVE THOSE! seen them several times!.........Also just wondering if you've seen the doc/movie Saving The Titanic if so is it totally accurate and did you like it?
Thank you!
I saw all your 3 videos and I really like your content, you should visit Mendoza, Argentina there are abandoned mines and ghost town lossed in the middle of the mountains
Ah, I'd love to!
Very intresting! :)
...the fastest sailing ship was the "flying cloud" in 1851 she made the run from New York and San Francisco in just 99 days, a record that held til the 1980s when it was beaten by just 1day.....it was a racing yacht, flying cloud was carrying a full load of cargo and passengers, to me flying cloud still holds the record....
0:38 when someone tries to explain the switch theory to me.
I'm not one to hold and serious thought to controversial stories either (the Titanic-Olympic one is indeed utter rubbish), but this one actually does seem plausible... Thanks for sharing! Very interesting story. Going to have to read up on it myself now! And that's very amazing that you have a peice of the porcelain and that your fatger was able to find that after 100 years.
Considering how ruthless Rockefeller was in his business practices, it would not surprise me that he deliberately wrecked a ship to smuggle in silver.
Great story T.....Get over to Harland & Wolff... quick....she's being demolished, along with Tiger's Bay where all the HW families lived....Sad.
One of the USA's " Robber-Barons" ftw!
Can we see some examples of ships that where DEFINITELY sunk for profit?
When did the Sindia fully disappear beneath the sand?
Sometime in the early 90's is my guess.
Lmao, that anime comment caught me off gaurd. Great video Tom! I'm always excited to learn more about shipwrecks.
Some conspiracy theories are more believable than others. Personally, I never believed the Titanic “ship swap theory.” It would cost the company more money than to just start over. It would be really bad publicity too. And keeping a good reputation in the public eye would be more profitable than any partial-coverage insurance claims.
That is because the ship swap story is utter rubbish.
Please say there are replicas of Clipper ships that sail on small one day excursion voyages.
I agree! Tom we feel you storyteller ability should be used more if possible!
Clipper ships were made of wood and were around before the 1880s. A 'Windjammer' is made of steel and date from the late 19th Century. The Sindia is a Windjammer.
If you are ever in the Louisville ky/Jeffersonville Indiana area you should check out the Howard steamboat museum.
I don't know, it's possible, but why leave all the other cargo and just take the silver? The pottery and everything else still has value, and so does the ship.
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There was a hotel (motel) in Ocean City named for the Sindia.
They didn't call Rockefeller, and others like him, "robber barons" for no reason. Crooks in silk suits.
A real shame about the fate of the Sindia. Those steel hulled sailing vessels, also used in the grain trade, were very strong, usually well captained, and had experienced crews.
A number were lost rounding the Horn, or in the remote reaches of the stormy seas of the roaring 40's and screaming 50's. Those southern waters, along with those of the North Atlantic, are some of the most dangerous in the world.
I don’t know if it’s physically possible but someone should try and dig to find a bit of the hull. That’d be amazing to at least see.
The Sindia wasn’t a ship, she was a bark (square rigged on fore, main and mizzen and fore and aft rigged on the jigger). Nor was she the largest steel four-masted sailing vessel (or bark). The Parma, Peking, Moshulu were all constructed of steel, had four masts and greater gross tonnages. These vessels were constructed shortly after the turn of the 20th century during the age of sail. A few 4 masted sailing vessels built later were even larger. She wasn’t a “clipper” either. The term “clipper” was given to fast sailing vessels of the mid-19th century when speed for tea and to sail around the Horn from the East Coast to the Gold Fields of California was sought after where these fast ships "clipped" the waves or the time it took to complete the voyage.
I’m not clear on how someone would greatly profit by bringing in silver coins. They weren’t given away for free--something was traded for these coins and the difference between the two is the profit. An ounce of silver was worth 62 cents in 1900. It would take 24,000 to make a ton, which would be $14,880. It would also be difficult to unload the silver by hand in the surf line. If the coins were Chinese, they would have to melted down which brings up the issue of a smelter. I just don’t see the theory of intentionally running the ship aground to offload silver plausible.