Very accurate and nice guide! One question: Didn't you think about ignoring Ferocious Bite after the Tiger's Fury ended? I don't know if the Ferocious Bite worths it with 40ish crit chance above the guaranteed Shred crits. In your clip for example after the big burst ended your Shreds hit around 1.9m while one noncrit FB hit around 1.43m.
It does seem strange that shred can hit harder than ferocious bite and it sucks when that happens, however, if FB does cit, it will typically do well more damage that a shred crit. Even if it doesn't crit, it's still worth using due to the energy efficiency of it. Shred costs 40 energy and FB costs 50 (25+25 extra) but with soul of the archdruid, as people use for single target, you get 25 energy back. So it becomes cheaper than shred. You do make an interesting point though, without tigers fury up and incarnation still running maybe shred spam and avoiding FB would be beneficial. I don't think it will be (at least I hope not!) but I'll test it out a little :)
Another great video, I've been getting 5cb in my opener for some reason before savage roar. I've also re gone in to stealth after incarn and re applied rake, is that worth it?
You ideally want to get savage roar up as quickly as possible. I'd always do it after the first Rake or after the first Rake and Moonfire. Unless you just reapplied rake before Incarn ended then it's worth it to stealth and get another buffed one out for sure. Glad you liked the video ^^
Hey man, came here from your BfA videos. All of your videos provide so much information. Subscribed. :) Also, what is that UI of yours? It's so neat and clean. What adding do you use for your UI?
Squeakers thanks for the kind words! My UI is made with elvui mainly, with a few other addons (like details, sexymap, ert, tellmewhen). I'll provide a link to my elvui profile when I'm at my pc :)
LI should help reducing energy starvation as it has a lower energy cost than our other abilities. The main thing is to just keep good track of all your bleeds/savage roar and pool your energy slightly so you can refresh them in plenty of time. It can take a bit of getting used to but just treat it as a 2nd rake basically (it's even better as it's cheaper and can be used from range). Do you have the SOTA legendary? Without that you can suffer a bit more from energy starvation.
holy! that was a quick reply o.o. and yea i do have sotam but when using LI you have another energy costing dot, and as im not that great at pooling my energy (eg when dots are up i spam shred and bite til dots needs refresh) or do you replace shred with moon?
You don't replace shred with moonfire, just make sure to keep the dot up as close to 100% of the time as possible. Once all your dots are active you do just spam shred/FB but keep an eye on your dot durations. If any of them need refreshing soon you can hold off casting shred and pool some energy. Refresh the dots then go back to the spam :) Hope that helps!
I have no idea about pvp in legion, so I can't really answer that sorry! I suppose the principles of the opener would transfer across, however, I assume different talents are often used?
I've only just started the video but I can comment on this... PvP is very much self-explanatory. There are two ways to kill a target that has a healer. (1) out-burst the healer's through-put and (2) put constant high DPS on the target and eventually burn the healer out of mana. PvE rotations and openers are almost always to provide maximum sustained DPS.... in other words, situation (2) above. This is absolutely fine for PvP. Putting out high sustained DPS pressure for enemy healers to worry about is good. There are other situations, however, where you need more burst in a short time and less sustained DPS. Obviously if a healer is out of range or crowd controlled, you would want to use burst to try to take down your target before the healer can react. These are fairly common-sense points that apply to all classes and all specs. PvP depends on situation and what you are trying to achieve. Most openers are useful in some way. You just need to apply the right one at the right time.
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Really Enjoyable guide
Would you ever Do a similar guide reguarding Balance ? :)
Very accurate and nice guide!
One question: Didn't you think about ignoring Ferocious Bite after the Tiger's Fury ended? I don't know if the Ferocious Bite worths it with 40ish crit chance above the guaranteed Shred crits. In your clip for example after the big burst ended your Shreds hit around 1.9m while one noncrit FB hit around 1.43m.
It does seem strange that shred can hit harder than ferocious bite and it sucks when that happens, however, if FB does cit, it will typically do well more damage that a shred crit.
Even if it doesn't crit, it's still worth using due to the energy efficiency of it. Shred costs 40 energy and FB costs 50 (25+25 extra) but with soul of the archdruid, as people use for single target, you get 25 energy back. So it becomes cheaper than shred.
You do make an interesting point though, without tigers fury up and incarnation still running maybe shred spam and avoiding FB would be beneficial. I don't think it will be (at least I hope not!) but I'll test it out a little :)
Another great video, I've been getting 5cb in my opener for some reason before savage roar. I've also re gone in to stealth after incarn and re applied rake, is that worth it?
You ideally want to get savage roar up as quickly as possible. I'd always do it after the first Rake or after the first Rake and Moonfire.
Unless you just reapplied rake before Incarn ended then it's worth it to stealth and get another buffed one out for sure.
Glad you liked the video ^^
Hey man, came here from your BfA videos. All of your videos provide so much information. Subscribed. :) Also, what is that UI of yours? It's so neat and clean. What adding do you use for your UI?
Squeakers thanks for the kind words! My UI is made with elvui mainly, with a few other addons (like details, sexymap, ert, tellmewhen).
I'll provide a link to my elvui profile when I'm at my pc :)
Here is my Elvui link if you'd like it: pastebin.com/W3zqQqV8
nice video! is it possible to get your weakaura setup for your feral? cheers
Valentin Rethwilm I use tellmewhen for most of my feral stuff, I can link that if if you'd like (I know most people prefer weakauras though)
thanks, dont bother with that tmw... i'll stay with WA ;)
how do you avoid energy starving when using li? i find it rather difficult to play with
LI should help reducing energy starvation as it has a lower energy cost than our other abilities. The main thing is to just keep good track of all your bleeds/savage roar and pool your energy slightly so you can refresh them in plenty of time. It can take a bit of getting used to but just treat it as a 2nd rake basically (it's even better as it's cheaper and can be used from range).
Do you have the SOTA legendary? Without that you can suffer a bit more from energy starvation.
holy! that was a quick reply o.o.
and yea i do have sotam but when using LI you have another energy costing dot, and as im not that great at pooling my energy (eg when dots are up i spam shred and bite til dots needs refresh) or do you replace shred with moon?
You don't replace shred with moonfire, just make sure to keep the dot up as close to 100% of the time as possible. Once all your dots are active you do just spam shred/FB but keep an eye on your dot durations. If any of them need refreshing soon you can hold off casting shred and pool some energy. Refresh the dots then go back to the spam :) Hope that helps!
il hit a dummy for a bit so i can try and get a feel for it:) but thanks loads
another thing chatoyant sims bout 4,4k less should i use it or would it even change my energy issue?
is this also good for pvp? like an assassin build perhaps ?
I have no idea about pvp in legion, so I can't really answer that sorry! I suppose the principles of the opener would transfer across, however, I assume different talents are often used?
I've only just started the video but I can comment on this... PvP is very much self-explanatory. There are two ways to kill a target that has a healer. (1) out-burst the healer's through-put and (2) put constant high DPS on the target and eventually burn the healer out of mana.
PvE rotations and openers are almost always to provide maximum sustained DPS.... in other words, situation (2) above. This is absolutely fine for PvP. Putting out high sustained DPS pressure for enemy healers to worry about is good.
There are other situations, however, where you need more burst in a short time and less sustained DPS. Obviously if a healer is out of range or crowd controlled, you would want to use burst to try to take down your target before the healer can react.
These are fairly common-sense points that apply to all classes and all specs. PvP depends on situation and what you are trying to achieve. Most openers are useful in some way. You just need to apply the right one at the right time.