Sunsoft and the Sega Genesis

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  • We take a look at the software that Sunsoft developed and/or published on the Sega Genesis and Mega Drive.
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    Opening 3D Logo By:
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    Episode Notes:
    1. Games covered:
    Tel-Tel Mahjong (1990)
    Batman (1990)
    Tel-Tel Stadium (1990)
    Shikinjoh (1991)
    Super Fantasy Zone (1992)
    Lemmings (1992)
    Batman: Revenge of The Joker (1992)
    Superman: The Man of Steel (1992)
    Beauty and the Beast: Belle's Quest (1993)
    Beauty and the Beast: Roar of the Beast (1993)
    Blaster Master 2 (1993)
    Aero the Acro-Bat (1993)
    Flashback (1993)
    Daze Before Christmas (1994)
    Bubble and Squeak (1994)
    The Pirates of Dark Water (1994)
    Panorama Cotton (1994)
    Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel (1994)
    The Death and Return of Superman (1995)
    Aero the Acro-Bat 2 (1995)
    Scooby-Doo Mystery (1995)
    Justice League Task Force (1995)

КОМЕНТАРІ • 353

  • @MrGlasspider
    @MrGlasspider 4 роки тому +7

    It's not about drivers, it's about composer, in this case great Naoki Kodaka. You can play his melodies with fart sounds and they will still sound great.

  • @VanDammage87
    @VanDammage87 4 роки тому +18

    The soundtrack in Batman, Streets of Rage 1 & 2 & Dragon's Fury are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @grimmdanny
      @grimmdanny 4 роки тому +1

      @Daishin no Dōro Outrun 2019 and Galaxy Force II had great soundtracks as well.

  • @Gaming_since_the_eighties
    @Gaming_since_the_eighties 4 роки тому +9

    I almost forgot Sunsoft.
    Thanks for the memories.

  • @ChristopherSobieniak
    @ChristopherSobieniak 4 роки тому +14

    Seems like when Sunsoft develops a game, it tends to be the best, when they're publishing other companies games, it tends to range from good to crap easily.

  • @TheIMMORTALKAHNHD
    @TheIMMORTALKAHNHD 4 роки тому +17

    Dude....youre like always on point with your timing! Was just needing something to watch

  • @RedSoul001
    @RedSoul001 4 роки тому +8

    1:20 WOAH now that is an immediate improvement from the last video. I can find no fault in your videos anymore boss. Good on you for following through. I really appreciate the change even if it is just the font type.

  • @SEGASLAYER64Thewcse
    @SEGASLAYER64Thewcse 4 роки тому +58

    Ah there's nothing like Sega at 2 in the morning

  • @PeteyPeeps01
    @PeteyPeeps01 4 роки тому +3

    Congrats on 50k subs! You deserve it. I'm addicted to your Saturn videos, they are getting me so hype and I'm picking up many games I didn't know about. Thank you SLX!

  • @epicpotatofiend
    @epicpotatofiend 4 роки тому +2

    19:52 the popcorn's almost ready

  • @zanon__
    @zanon__ 4 роки тому +23

    I never had a Master System, only had the Genesis, but never had any Sunsoft games on it. However I had a NES with Journey to Silius - probably Sunsoft's best game, from soundtrack to how simple yet easy to understand the gameplay is.

    • @MarshCreature
      @MarshCreature 4 роки тому +8

      It's amazing journey to sillius was supposed to be a terminator game before the licence expired.

    • @azforu29
      @azforu29 4 роки тому +1

      That's awesome. I was going to send this person a message about Jounrney to Silus and Nes version of return of the joker. You beat me to it.lol

    • @zanon__
      @zanon__ 4 роки тому +4

      @@MarshCreature Yep. And all they had to do was to create a random 2 minute "intro" and suddenly "definitely-not-Terminator-anymore".

    • @duffman18
      @duffman18 4 роки тому +1

      @@zanon__ they also had that completed Superman game for NES and even made a new title screen calling it "Sunman" when the license ran out and changed the colour of "sunman's" sprite, but they ended up never releasing that as a game. Which is a shame, it's pretty good, you can play the leaked ROM of it today. It's not quite as good as their Batman game for NES but it's still worth a playthrough.
      Looking briefly at the Genesis superman game though, it seems they definitely reused a lot of ideas from the unreleased NES one. Makes sense, don't want to throw away all that work on designing a game. Repurpose it instead.

    • @zanon__
      @zanon__ 4 роки тому

      @@duffman18 It only makes sense, because back then they didn't have the "freedom" they have nowadays to just create and dump assets into the games - after all, they had limited storage and limited memory, which is why most games were nearly fully optimized for the system, with "a few" bugs, instead of nowadays where they have so much freedom, games are released with GBs worth of unused assets, buggy code and glitchy messes. Essentially, the amount of freedom we now have to make games made us very complacent and lazy, at least, in the west.

  • @adamking6645
    @adamking6645 4 роки тому +11

    It's weird how Batman: Revenge of the Joker was such a cool game on the NES (where it was known as 'Return' of the Joker) with some excellent graphics and sounds, yet comes off as so average on the 16-bit Genesis.

  • @bortzanator3018
    @bortzanator3018 4 роки тому +3

    Its incredible to see how far you have come. I love your vids. Thank you.

    • @SegaLordX
      @SegaLordX  4 роки тому +2

      I appreciate the message. Thank you.

  • @mokthemagicman
    @mokthemagicman Рік тому +2

    I LOVED Batman on the Genesis. My game store had the early Japanese version a year before we got the game and I bought it and made the adjustment on my Genesis to cut the opening bigger for the Japanese carts to fit.

  • @midwestmonster9886
    @midwestmonster9886 3 роки тому +1

    Pirates of Dark Water is bittersweet because it gives the series a level of closure the cartoon never did. The cutscenes appear to be taken directly from the show's storyboards, so I have every reason to believe the closing cutscene is how the series' closing scenes would have gone down.

  • @WalrusFPGA
    @WalrusFPGA 4 роки тому +49

    LOL you can tell Blaster Master 2 was developed by a Euro dev by the water droplets that hurt you. someone needs to tell those hippies that showers dont hurt.

    • @dougr.8653
      @dougr.8653 4 роки тому +8

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Prizrak-hv6qk
      @Prizrak-hv6qk 4 роки тому +10

      That first Western-developed Batman game has that too. Sure tale tell of a Euro dev studio.

    • @duffman18
      @duffman18 4 роки тому +8

      It's interesting that each area of the world had completely different game design tropes. I wonder how it happened. I suppose the European ones all came from the microcomputer games, the C64 and Spectrum and BBC Micro and so on. The platformers on those systems were very slow, very deliberate, usually with one hit deaths, and so it made some sense to have something like water/acid drops as an easy obstacle. If anything they're just like the fireballs in bowsers castle in mario, they just go up and down, it's a good basic obstacle to put in a game.

    • @poetsguide
      @poetsguide 4 роки тому

      Hahha

    • @Jimbojub
      @Jimbojub 4 роки тому

      😂😂😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @dexocube
    @dexocube 4 роки тому +53

    Panorama Cotton is genuinely amazing. I couldn't believe it was running on a megadrive.

    • @ahirunakamura9592
      @ahirunakamura9592 4 роки тому +10

      Possibly the most impressive MD/Gen game. Hard as balls, expensive as heck but still an awesome game

    • @MOLTEN0
      @MOLTEN0 3 роки тому +4

      Looks like a good 32X game.

    • @terry7666
      @terry7666 Рік тому

      @@MOLTEN0 vW2v×-×z-×w××~××wz

    • @Adamtendo_player_1
      @Adamtendo_player_1 4 місяці тому

      That’s the power of the Motorola 68,000.

  • @duffman18
    @duffman18 4 роки тому +3

    Wait you Americans never got Super Fantasy Zone? Damn, that was one of my favourite games as a kid in the UK. I'm constantly finding out about games that I had no idea were European only or never got released in the US. A lot of them make sense like certain European made games that were remakes or further entries in series that began on the microcomputers like the C64 and Speccy, but you'd think one of the biggest Sega franchises would get a world wide release.

    • @williamdrum9899
      @williamdrum9899 3 роки тому +1

      Supposedly back then, Nintendo of America had some sort of thing going on where if you wanted to release your game on NES you couldn't have it on the Master System, so game companies had to choose one or the other

  • @sonicmario64
    @sonicmario64 4 роки тому +3

    I actually remember the game "Bubble & Squeak" being out when I was a kid, since I was able to see a colorful advertisement for it in one of my comic books that I had growing up in the 1990s, and the characters also kinda remind me of Calvin and Hobbes because of how they looked in the game. ;)

  • @Savitor
    @Savitor 4 роки тому +3

    Great vid SLX. You always show a game or two that I never played back in the day... But am going to try now!!! Thanks 🎮👍

  • @Jayce_Alexander
    @Jayce_Alexander 3 роки тому +1

    Sunsoft's fall from grace in the early 90s was downright tragic. They were arguably the best third party devs on the NES not named Capcom or Konami (HAL Laboratories had essentially become a first party dev in all but name by this point), but once they started outsourcing major franchises like Blaster Master and Batman to western developers they basically became another Ocean. To me it always felt like Revenge/Return of the Joker was sort of a watershed point that really demonstrates the difference between what people expected from Sunsoft in the 8-bit era, versus what they were becoming in the 16-bit era. Developed internally by Sunsoft for the NES and one of the standout late-era titles on that platform, with incredible graphics, a pumping soundtrack, and tight, if very difficult gameplay. The Genesis game (as well as the unreleased but finished SNES port), developed by Ringler Studios, is a great case study of how a port of a great game can get screwed if handled by incompetent programmers who don't seem to understand how to make use of a system's potential. It should have been an even better version of an already great game, but instead it's worse than the NES game in every respect. Even the graphics look more attractive on the NES, Batman looks straight up derpy in the 16-bit versions.
    In the late 80s the Sunsoft brand served as a recommendation; by the mid-90s it had become a warning.

  • @melvinblackburn195
    @melvinblackburn195 4 роки тому +3

    Once again man, your videos are great, thoughtful and super informative. Anyway, Panorama Cotton is my winner from this video. I always imagined my Mega Drive actually smoking or shorting out because so many things were happening on screen that the system just shouldn't be able to do. I'm truly impressed with that game.

  • @Eugenes84
    @Eugenes84 4 роки тому +2

    You consistently put out great videos multiple times a week. Great work.

  • @SomeOrangeCat
    @SomeOrangeCat 4 роки тому +3

    Wow that is the definition of a mixed bag!

  • @zoelizeslifeasbestfriendsv7689
    @zoelizeslifeasbestfriendsv7689 4 роки тому +2

    Keep on rocking mate, loving all the constant content👌🏻

  • @lesterrr12312
    @lesterrr12312 4 роки тому +8

    what do you mean "ear torture"?! The Pirated Of Dark Water has GREAT soundtrack, it has a very consistent tone and feels like a concept album if you listen to it outside of the game! Besides, the standard GEMS presets are very much in place here, with percussive elements enhancing the tropical theme.. it never ceases to amaze me how the same music can have such an opposite effect on different listeners.....

    • @SegaLordX
      @SegaLordX  4 роки тому +4

      Indeed. I couldn’t stand it.

    • @ahirunakamura9592
      @ahirunakamura9592 4 роки тому

      I always find it odd that most people can’t stand Road Rash 1 soundtrack but love Road Rash 3’s.... I absolutely love RR1, somewhat enjoyed RR2 (too stereotyped for my taste, Vermont’s song is amazing though), but RR3 had such an amazing composition using the worst samples ever (was it made using standard GEMS?! the drums sound like plastic and the guitars like the worst Casio keyboard...) and thanks to that I cannot stand the RR3 soundtrack...

    • @AdrianoSnake
      @AdrianoSnake 4 роки тому +4

      @@SegaLordX I know and you know what the genesis sound chip is capable of in the right hands. Tracks from Rocket Knight Adventures, castlevania bloodlines, Alisia Dragoon, Valis, Adventures of batman and Robin, Thunder force iv, Desert Strike, Midnight Resistance, Sonic(all of them), Streets of rage of course and so many more I know well are so epic and with quality that almost resembles cd, so pure... I even dare to say that this system was the one with better music, music that aged better than other systems with more advanced sound chip like Super Nintendo. Sorry for my English, hugs from Portugal, and keep up your fantastic work

    • @ricky-sanchez
      @ricky-sanchez 4 роки тому +1

      @@AdrianoSnake Snes had loads of orchestra music, but no techno-funk. Genesis had the best techno-funk, probably what toejam and earl: Panic of Funkatron was about. All the music named in this video is techno-funk. I miss the music from those days. Modern game music is either orchestra or hard rock.(metal).

  • @JAC3DG33K
    @JAC3DG33K 4 роки тому +10

    It's crazy how the company that was outsourced to port Return of the Joker from the 8-Bit NES managed to downgrade both the audio and visuals when it became Revenge of the Joker on the 16-Bit Genesis.

  • @brenisis2772
    @brenisis2772 4 роки тому

    You deserve more subs your videos are no nonsense straight to the point and very well made I always love finding hidden gem Chanel’s on the site and ones that touch on the Saturn as a Recent SEGA fan I’m very glad There’s a good bunch off people who like this stuff keep up the good work

  • @Gazimaluke
    @Gazimaluke 4 роки тому +8

    I have been researching Sunsoft's history for 4,5 years. It's interesting that they released more games for Mega Drive/Genesis than on SNES. They were so prolific on the Famicom/NES. The reason is that most of the Mega Drive games that was made by other studios for Sunsoft was hired by Sunsoft of America. And since the Genesis was more popular than the SNES in the US I'm guessing they wanted games for it first. A game called Superman was announced for the SNES too but wasn't even developed. And the unreleased verison of Revenge of the Joker for SNES was even worse than the Genesis version.

    • @ricky-sanchez
      @ricky-sanchez 4 роки тому +1

      @Benjamin Owuye Jagun I was there, and thats exactly what happened. The donkey kong country commercials even made fun of the genesis the same way sega made fun of nintendo in the very beginning. Other notable snes games include killer instinct and yoshi's island. These games and of course donkey kong country MADE people buy the snes.

  • @mogo2433
    @mogo2433 4 роки тому +3

    Really glad you chose Sunsoft.
    Some of these games are so colorful, I can't believe they're on the Geni' !
    Games I really want to play now: Kamakozi Squirrel, Panarama Cotton, and Batman.
    Good stuff!!!
    BTW, not sure why there was never a Marvel vs. DC fighting game...

    • @ricky-sanchez
      @ricky-sanchez 4 роки тому

      Lol marvel vs. dc?!?!? That would be a licensing nightmare! Can you imagine what would happen if The developer screwed over ANY character in the story ie. Superman losing to iron man, or batman losing to hawkeye? No self respecting company would allow a third party to make a cross over game with their competition. That's like making a licensed Hollywood movie about Macdonalds vs. Burgerking. You Will never see it!!

  • @tobynormoyle637
    @tobynormoyle637 6 місяців тому

    The boss music in Super Fantasy Zone is utterly amazing. Interesting to learn that they created their own sound tech for this and Batman.
    I wonder if the homebrew people have access to this?

  • @Larry
    @Larry 4 роки тому +14

    Yeah, Travellers Tales seem to be the only Western developer to truly squeeze everything out of the Mega Drive.

    • @9393zach
      @9393zach 4 роки тому +6

      Shame Sega never used them like Nintendo used Rare.. minus the whole screwing them over part. They should've had the Sonic game on Saturn from the start

  • @NewportBox100s
    @NewportBox100s 4 роки тому +1

    Sega Lord X is one of the most consistent youtubers out. Much respect

  • @stormshadow75x
    @stormshadow75x 4 роки тому +1

    Always wanted to try out that Cotton game

  • @DreamcastQ
    @DreamcastQ 4 роки тому

    great video, love me some Genesis! congratulations on over 50,500 subs!

  • @paulcool4384
    @paulcool4384 3 роки тому

    I like it that you put the game on the screen, easy like this !

  • @andrewmaasch1724
    @andrewmaasch1724 4 роки тому +17

    That "Zero the Kamikaze" game gets re-skinned and sold as "Crashbandicoot" on Aliexpress 😂
    I've played the rom and as far as I can tell - they literally only change the title!
    Worst. Hack. Ever. 😉

  • @silentfanatic
    @silentfanatic 4 роки тому +2

    Scooby-Doo Mystery is the shit. Just wish there had been four or five chapters instead of only two.

  • @michaelpaoletti8588
    @michaelpaoletti8588 3 роки тому

    I bought a copy of Batman Revenge of the Joker from Japan. Its complete with artwork and Japanese manual.
    I did some research and it was made exclusively in Japan for Sega MD fans. It was a limited Print run. Its very cool to have a Japanese community company game

  • @skins4thewin
    @skins4thewin 3 роки тому

    I would really love to see you implement a visual timeline in this style of video, to show just when each game came out. You could probably just draw a simple line across the screen, with art covers placed along the timeline based on the date they were released in relation to each other. That would be a very cool feature indeed and would give us a visual representation of a publishers work for the system. Make it happen man! Your video's will be all the better for it! :) Fantastic work thus far though man, I absolutely love your content!

  • @JGRICH61
    @JGRICH61 4 роки тому +4

    Revenge of the Joker was actually a great game on the NES!

    • @facufeg86
      @facufeg86 4 роки тому

      Yes it is! Of course, it has its own probles but Nes version is 200% better

  • @Prizrak-hv6qk
    @Prizrak-hv6qk 4 роки тому +3

    You're absolutely right, SLX. Only towards the end of Genesis' life cycle did the US and Euro software houses caught up to the Japanese as far Genesis/MD development and started putting out great-looking and sounding Genesis games like Earthworm Jim, Vectorman, Comix Zone, Batman & Robin, Mega Turrican and Flink. Shiny/Virgin were definitely an early trend-setter with Alladin... Until then, you literally had to watch out for Western-developed games in order to stay far away if you valued your fun, eyes and ears. Luckily, usually even the box art and screenshots were enough to tell after a bit of practice. What got me the most is Sega of America themselves choosing to publish junk like Fantasia, Greendog, Cyborg Justice and Chakan instead of localizing Monster World IV, Panorama Cotton, Alien Soldier, Super Fantasy Zone, Pulseman, Magical Troll, Gley Lancer and so many others. Gunstar Heroes only made it after a single SoA producer took in up a personal project! Those early to mid-period Western-developed game are still living up to the erroneous stereotypes and doing their damage to Genesis' reputation, literally turning a younger generation of retrogamers away from the platform.

    • @retrosoul8770
      @retrosoul8770 4 роки тому +2

      Prizrak it's very sad, but very true. Most of these games were probably better off not even being developed at all. The Gen/MD reputation is definitely not what it should be especially in the US. Whenever I get the chance, I always try to point ppl towards Japanese releases, it's annoying to see Gen Top 10 videos, and most of the list is clogged up with western mediocrity, most of the time that is the case. It paints a false image as you said, to the quality of the system overall.

  • @DigiPen92
    @DigiPen92 4 роки тому +2

    Please do a video of Ranking "Every Sega Master System Video Game Boxarts" Worst to Best. I wanted to see if there are some best Boxart designs in the Sega Master System looked like since I did heard allot of people didn't like the Sega Master System Video Game Boxarts.

  • @emperorkiva8063
    @emperorkiva8063 2 роки тому

    19:03 Oh my god.
    I played that game on my childhood (the SNES version tho) and never noticed that

  • @jeremygregorio7472
    @jeremygregorio7472 4 роки тому +2

    Superman on the Genesis is still probably the best Superman gave ever made :)

    • @jeremygregorio7472
      @jeremygregorio7472 4 роки тому

      @Benjamin Owuye Jagun There's actually a pretty good C64 game that was only let down by load times, which if you played it on a tape drive were brutal

  • @andrewflashchannelgibbs5384
    @andrewflashchannelgibbs5384 4 роки тому

    That Death of Superman game looks like it was for another character entirely and Superman added at the last minute. Great video.👍

  • @greensun1334
    @greensun1334 6 місяців тому +1

    Sunsoft has programmed also some very good SNES games, like the decent port of World Heroes (part 1) and the beat 'em up version of Pirates of Dark Water.

  • @spookerd
    @spookerd 4 роки тому

    Not even 2 minutes in and I assume the video is already over and you're scrolling your usual end credits.

  • @Tweaked818
    @Tweaked818 4 роки тому +1

    I remember playing aero and giving up lol games were tough back then

  • @KaneRobot
    @KaneRobot 4 роки тому +1

    I remember the Batman Genesis game not being able to come out in the US at the time in EGM and the like. I think my expectations were a little unrealistic by the time it came out here because it had been built up so much.

  • @saturncrush
    @saturncrush 4 роки тому +1

    Scooby Doo Mystery is a really slept on title.

  • @rogerioalexandreadv
    @rogerioalexandreadv 4 роки тому

    The first Batman I played it through back then. It was one of my favorite games on the Megadrive (Brazil). The first Superman I played it a lot too but could never end It unfortunately. I got a Megadrive III and a rereleased Megadrive 2017. I am a fan of that console. Great video!!!

  • @ShadowArtist
    @ShadowArtist 4 роки тому +1

    Panorama Cotton is one of the most technically impressive games on the
    Mega Drive. I really don't know why some developers were kind of lazy
    and used the awful GEMS sound driver when creating music for the Sega
    Genesis games, and mislead gamers to think all Genesis games had
    terrible music and sound effects, but games like Batman, Streets of Rage
    1& 2, Sonic 1~3, Sword of Vermillion, Phantasy Star II,III and Ps
    IV all disproved that...
    Btw The Sega Genesis *did* have a computer mouse accessory :
    segaretro.org/images/c/c1/Mega_Mouse_US_Box.jpg

  • @ShinobiShowdown
    @ShinobiShowdown 4 роки тому +1

    Sunsoft are known for their killer videogame music.

  • @kanoamisawa9901
    @kanoamisawa9901 2 роки тому

    Sega LordX supports the mega drive and master system big time and that surprises me, I would think he would focus way more in the Saturn and Dreamcast.

  • @andreyermac5228
    @andreyermac5228 4 роки тому +4

    I don't know what the situation was back in the early 90s, but i believe Sega should go with more serious Seal of Quality politics: if your game is not THAT good, then you, as a dev/publisher have 2 options - continue development until done and then sale your game at 60$ price tag with "Seal of quality" mark or sale without it for 35$ with some other mark "green light" or something, or if your game is horrible, you get no sales at all. This way, horrible games get cut altogether, and not so good ones are cheap. In the end this all could give publishers more freedom than Nintendo had, but Sega's reputation will be much better, and bad games will not tarnish the whole "quality feel" factor.

    • @graemevaughey7432
      @graemevaughey7432 4 роки тому +5

      The _seal of quality_ was something that Nintendo started in the 1980's as a reaction to the Atari videogame crash of 1983 (when shoddy, bug-laden, untested software completely flooded the market, and destroyed all consumer confidence). It in no way guaranteed that the game you were buying was necessarily "good" (as AVGN could testify), but, rather, that it had been _extensively_ tested for bugs, glitches, crashes, and anything else that might prevent you from playing the game, or seeing it through to the end. When you submitted a game to Nintendo, it would take months before they approved it since it had to go through this rigorous testing process. If/when it passed (and a developer may have had to resubmit their game multiple times upon failure) it would receive the seal as testament of its play-ability. Nothing more.
      Sega's process was, of course, exactly the same.

    • @andreyermac5228
      @andreyermac5228 4 роки тому +1

      @@graemevaughey7432 ok, now i understand, but i still think the quality of games(gameplay,graphics,sound) needed some testing and understandable symbols on cartridge as result, so when customer goes in store and he see a game with "gold medal" for 60$ he instantly understands that this game is good.
      P.S. AVGN is still sure that SNES had better in game resolution than Genesis, so i don't care for his opinion much, but his videos are funny sometimes.
      ua-cam.com/video/T_MOqHyCUEc/v-deo.htmlm10s

    • @ezehogan
      @ezehogan 4 роки тому

      To me the seal just meant that it was an officially licensed product and guaranteed to work. As previously stated, Atari had such a laissez-faire approach to their console that any company could release any software they wanted for the machine regardless of quality or even functionality.
      The other issue is what makes an objectively “good” game? That’s for the marketplace to decide. There are a lot of “good” or even universally praised “great” games that I don’t like simply because I don’t like the style or mechanics. That means that if I bought them, they would still be a waste of money for me.

    • @ricky-sanchez
      @ricky-sanchez 4 роки тому +1

      @@graemevaughey7432 This is highly debatable, because alot of nes games crashed for no reason sometimes, a reason why game genie was allowed to exist. I think it might have been straight up about the money.

  • @Cyberbrickmaster1986
    @Cyberbrickmaster1986 3 роки тому

    Point n click adventure games usually transitioned awkwardly on consoles, with the exceptions of ones with supported control methods for that system, or used traditional movement controls like what Telltale started doing with their adventure games by 2009.
    Also, Super Fantasy Zone was awesome and I wish Sega would give it as much love for their re-releases like with the original arcade game, cause I think it's just as, if not better than the first game!

  • @sjorspion
    @sjorspion 4 роки тому +1

    With Justice League I never understood how the title screen and after match result screen music could be so awesome, while the ingame stage music was so weak. o_O

  • @l30S3UX
    @l30S3UX 4 роки тому

    The Superman game soundtrack is SO GOOD right there on the top of the console best ost

  • @skins4thewin
    @skins4thewin 3 роки тому

    Sunsoft really knew what they were doing when it came to sound. Most of their games have absolutely stellar music, specially for the NES! I have the Journey to Silius title screen music stuck in my head as we speak!

  • @dava00007
    @dava00007 4 роки тому +2

    Man, I recall wondering with my friends what happened to the Genesis sound after 1991 or so, early Sega Genesis games sounded in general way better than the later ones, Sunsoft is a breat example of this decline, so are Streets of rage 2 going on to SoR 3... Super Shinobi to Shinobi 3.. and many more.

    • @ahirunakamura9592
      @ahirunakamura9592 4 роки тому

      May be wrong here, but I believe in the early years they used lots of samples instead of using the default “midi”-like the system offered. Heck, in no other game I recall such heavy drums as in the Road Rash intro. Then RR3 came with the worst guitar+drums sounding ever with the default “midi”-like music... maybe the latter games used so much space that music samples were discarded in order to make room for bigger games

    • @Prizrak-hv6qk
      @Prizrak-hv6qk 4 роки тому +4

      @@ahirunakamura9592
      Genesis has only a single digital sample channel that replaced one of the 6 FM channels when in use. Also, 4 PSG channels. The sample channel was most commonly used for an instrumental "oomph" early on but then started being used mostly for voices and realistic sound effects. The whole sound hardware war more of an instrument than a playback device. Like any instrument It took skill to "play" it. Most of the Western devs couldn't and used a GEMS driver that gave them sound fonts and presets to play around with, automating the hard work and turning it into a playback device. Unfortunately, it was extremely deficient at first and too easily to abuse by lazy devs. They kept improving this driver though and many Western devs began to get really good results with it towards the end of the system's life. None ever topped the Japanese FM+PSG virtuosos though.

    • @supersexysega
      @supersexysega 4 роки тому

      @@Prizrak-hv6qk Some of the later Gems soundtracks had the best combination of music, voice samples and sound effects on the system. Comix Zone, The Ooze, X-Men 2, Vectorman 1/2, Demolition Man, Aladdin, ToeJam and Earl 2, MK 3, Madden 96.

    • @ricky-sanchez
      @ricky-sanchez 4 роки тому

      SOR 3 had bad music? I think you might be deaf. Some of those tracks were solid gold. Was it better than SOR 2 all together? You have to understand what they were going for with SOR 3. They were trying to cram ALOT into the game, and also craft music that fit the setting of the level. Like the first level in streets of rage 3 sounds like a rush to the bomb, The second stage sounds like the deadly streets of the city, the dance hall sounds like a dance hall, the boss theme sounds like a serious battle, The underground path sounds like a shady way to travel, the samurai battle sounds like a samurai battle etc. When they reuse music later in the game, it still fits the scenario. They also had to work around hardware limitations, while giving you (6) playable characters, multiple paths, multiple endings, New moves, animations and enemies. And FULL story with cut scenes. SOR 2 just sent you straight to the end. And while the music was top notch, It also had stage themes completely out of place. There was a cave in streets of rage 2 with party music in it, and the final level reused the games intro music, when it should have used the elevator music from the end of stage 7. The music was all over the place. Do these guys wanna dance, or take down a shadow syndicate filled with murderers. I give my best to the composer, but I think they shoved all the music in to fill up cart space. There are even unused tracks, in the sound test.

  • @HellTantrumbull
    @HellTantrumbull 4 роки тому

    For those that don't know, Panorama Cotton now has an english patch for it and you can play it on the real console if you're using the everdrive carts. 👍

  • @falconator3419
    @falconator3419 3 роки тому

    Sunsoft had always been great for music since the NES years. Just listen to the music for Journey to Silius for the NES and you won’t believe it was coming from that system.

  • @Steambull1
    @Steambull1 2 роки тому

    Superman is great! One of my fav Sega game soundtracks as a kid, too. The controls may take some time to learn, but overall it's a really well designed game with a solid difficulty balance. I've always wondered why it's talked about so little. Even when the AVGN made his Superman video, it kinda bugged me that he said there just aren't any good Superman games, without ever mentioning the Sunsoft one on the Genesis.

  • @ravagingwolverine
    @ravagingwolverine 4 роки тому +4

    It really is a good question near the end whether US developers had ears. It's amazing what was considered suitable for release in some cases. I think good music was a low priority for both developers and gamers in the US. And I think that mentality came from the fact that you obviously can't convey the game's sound in screenshots, which were a primary way of getting players interested via magazines and game boxes. But I think great sound mattered more to people, even if they didn't realize it at the time, and why some games had more staying power and the ability to keep bringing players back to play again. I didn't always know how to pick games with quality sound, but I knew what was great and what was awful when I heard it, and games with great sound, such as Shinobi 3 were games that I could always return to and enjoy.
    As for the whole video, very good work here. Very interesting to hear about all the games Sunsoft was involved with.

    • @PS1Fan1991
      @PS1Fan1991 3 роки тому

      My favourite games on the Mega Drive have music that has stuck with me. Road Rash II, Streets of Rage, Sonic 2, Superman, Aladdin and the Lion King were so good in the audio department.

  • @willeysingleton3057
    @willeysingleton3057 4 роки тому

    The Yamaha sound chip was very unique.
    Couldn't hold up to the SNES's on most games I mean there are exceptions streets of rage and Shafow run to name a few.
    My old ears though still feel the C64 sound chip was the sound chip in the 80 early 90s that set the standard for excellence. Nothing really compared to that beast,
    It's the one thing that made the limited graphix of the c64 stand out amongst the competition.
    But oh boy the q6 bot graphix for Genesis Mega drive ruled the roost for a long time in my youth..
    Great video Mr Lord X.
    Lemmings forvthe genisis was probably my favorite nome PC port of that game.

  • @jameswayland2339
    @jameswayland2339 3 роки тому

    I love how all these creators love that these games a hard. That’s why I have never really gotten into video games. Life is tuff enough , I want something easy , to erase my stress . And there’s no such thing as easy with these old sega , and Nintendo games.

  • @9393zach
    @9393zach 4 роки тому +1

    It's damn near impossible to make a brawler on the same system as Streets of Rage 2.

  • @RetroReef
    @RetroReef 4 роки тому

    Love your videos, Man.

  • @predaking2wings
    @predaking2wings 4 роки тому +2

    I played superman the first one in this video for the genesis it is a great game but you need a game genie cheat to pass the last level to beat it.

  • @xxxmachoman96xxx
    @xxxmachoman96xxx 3 роки тому +1

    Aero the Acrobat 2 is a fantastic game. The first one is fine but rough in comparison.

  • @Oysterblade84
    @Oysterblade84 3 роки тому +1

    I agree completely with all points in this video, Sunsoft's quality got worse and worse as the Mega Drive/Genesis went on and it's sad to think that only 4 of all those games they had something to do with used their own in-house sound driver, (Batman, Super Fantasy Zone, Lemmings and Superman). Bubble And Squeak gets a pass in sound from me because Matt Furniss got hired to do the music to that one and he saved the audio from being another GEMS stinker. Interesting that Batman Return Of The Joker had music by Tommy Tallarico and I didn't think that ost was that bad but the actual gameplay and presentation is really bad!
    They were once a great Japanese company that developed top-notch games but once they started publishing only and stopped developing games their quality was definitely affected and turned them from fresh fruit into sour grapes. Great video SegaLordx.

  • @becomeanolive1637
    @becomeanolive1637 3 роки тому

    Lemmings on the Sega Genesis was an excellent port.

  • @Asterion608
    @Asterion608 3 роки тому

    The Scooby Doo game was trying super hard to be Maniac Mansion.

  • @DaveMcGarry
    @DaveMcGarry 4 роки тому

    I love their Scooby Doo adventure game... Very similar to LucasArts point and clicks like Day of the Tentacle. It's great!

  • @Embargoman
    @Embargoman 4 роки тому

    Great Sunsoft also known back then as Sun Electronics also made an arcade favorite called Kangaroo, too bad that fun loving video game never got a port for the NES and the Sega Master system, well if Sunsoft where to port Kangaroo on the Master then it will be moving ahead before porting Batman on the Sega Genesis 3 years later and it is the only Sunsoft game on the Atari consoles and the only Sunsoft game on the Atari 2600 as other early Sunsoft games.
    Please check out Kangaroo it is a game about a mother Kangaroo saving her son from monkies similar to Donkey King Jr from Nintendo that DK Jr saves his dad from Mario, but instead Sunsoft's Kangaroo game is the mother saving her child kidnapped by monkies.

  • @TastyAbbyJamz
    @TastyAbbyJamz 4 роки тому

    I grew up with Nintendo, so I haven't really gotten into Genesis/Mega Drive until fairly recently. I love it! There are so many quality games! I'm gonna have to hunt down Batman. The music sounds incredible!

  • @johncraw8572
    @johncraw8572 2 роки тому

    Awesomeness video please do more thanks ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @tonialacran8688
    @tonialacran8688 4 роки тому

    Batman of Sega Megadrive... The best soundtrack ever in a game cartridge🎮

  • @BabusGameRoom
    @BabusGameRoom 4 роки тому

    Never knew there were any games released only in Australia! Also, I'm really proud of myself for having played a Genesis game that Sega Lord X hasn't played before...Bubble and Squeak! Never could get past level 5 or so...

  • @Agent0range9
    @Agent0range9 4 роки тому

    Ive been meaning to say this for a while but that intro is dope man

  • @happyspaceinvader508
    @happyspaceinvader508 4 роки тому

    Ah, ok Lemmings; how did they manage to break the 64 sprite limit? There are levels where you’re dealing with 99!lemmings.

  • @Andrew_TS
    @Andrew_TS 4 роки тому

    Never miss a chance to cover Genesis Batman! I'm not complaining, though. Aero was better on GBA, though.

  • @nikkapubess3349
    @nikkapubess3349 2 роки тому

    Thanks for this video, Sunsoft was such a big part of my childhood. I will never forget the music in the original Sunsoft Batman game. Even as a adult now some 30yrs later, I still find myself humming it.

  • @agamemnon8163
    @agamemnon8163 4 роки тому +4

    Wife got me Batman return of joker for xmas when I asked for regular sunsoft Batman. She made me play it for 5 hours to prove that I love her, she won't let me trade it in either 😫😫😫

    • @TheRoberino2001
      @TheRoberino2001 4 роки тому

      That's so hilarious and awful at the same time. Gotta pretend you love it proves how much you love your wife!

  • @JustinCherriman
    @JustinCherriman 4 роки тому

    Great feature Sega Lord X! I like your content.

  • @xKynOx
    @xKynOx 4 роки тому +4

    Nice foresight Nintendo, those draconian practices worked out well for you with the N64 and Gamecube.

    • @ricky-sanchez
      @ricky-sanchez 4 роки тому

      @@FloridaEbikes LOL. Nintendo slipped up too! Sega's not the only ones who slipped up. Gamecube was an all time low for nintendo. A purple box with shitty graphics, controls, and games.

  • @andrewlawrence5934
    @andrewlawrence5934 4 роки тому

    Sunsoft will always have a place in my heart.

  • @Thor-Orion
    @Thor-Orion Місяць тому

    11:55 Daze before Christmas? Is this a game about Santa being a stoner?!

  • @VenusHeadTrap2
    @VenusHeadTrap2 2 роки тому

    4:18 The music is the exact same as Sonic 3D Blast Special Stage

  • @bianodias2000
    @bianodias2000 2 роки тому

    Batman deserves a Grammy for best sound track ever. Sorry Streets of Rage.

  • @Soynereh
    @Soynereh 4 роки тому

    Noted. All of them!

  • @jfwfreo
    @jfwfreo Рік тому

    That Scooby game reminds me a lot of things like Day of the Tentacle from LucasArts.

  • @9393zach
    @9393zach 4 роки тому

    You gotta think though, western devs brought us the Atari Jaguar. Good western devs were so hard to find back then.

  • @3venFl0w85
    @3venFl0w85 3 роки тому

    Lemmings was huge in the UK

  • @liefacts3000
    @liefacts3000 4 роки тому

    I love bubble and squeak, game and food.

  • @darthwisner47
    @darthwisner47 4 роки тому

    Another great video!!! Still have plans to do a "First 10 Dreamcast games" video?

  • @mercster
    @mercster 4 роки тому

    Now who doesn't want to be Santa.

    • @mercster
      @mercster 4 роки тому

      "The gameplay is mostly of the escort variety..." Uhhhhhhmmmmmmm.

  • @infernal_monkey
    @infernal_monkey 4 роки тому

    Sunsoft's Superman game is extra interesting considering Virgin Interactive ported it down to the Master System for Europe. Much of the level design itself is the same, but they changed a heeeaap of stuff (the first level is set at night instead of day etc.)

  • @JackedBlack88
    @JackedBlack88 4 роки тому

    Daze Before Christmas is super fun! Just played it for the first time this week. It's kind of offbeat with weird levels and cool level designs. Definitely worth a look. It's also mad expensive so definitely get that emulator

  • @doricdream498
    @doricdream498 3 роки тому

    good point about the genesis having its own unique sound with the batman game, but to be quite honest i think it can make far more realistic brass sounds than the snes can in the right hands. monster world IV in particular has a cornet instrument (especially prevalent in the tower of silence) that blew me away the first time i heard it. the snes generally is easier to make decent orchestral sounds with, but with the right tricks the genesis can pull off a far more accurate and full acoustic sound! beyond oasis is another great example of this :)