The 10 KEY Books that Make Up The WESTERN CANON (And Some Thoughts on POSTMODERNISM)
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2020
- A discussion on POST-MODERNISM and the Western Canon. This is a breakdown about HOW I self educated after getting JADED with college.
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BEAUTIFUL AND JUICY LIST
The Republic - Plato
The Aeneid - Virgil
The Gallic Wars - Julius Caesar
The Gospel According to Saint Matthew - Saint Matthew (Bible)
City of God - Saint Augustine
The Prince - Machiavelli
Hamlet - William Shakespeare
Der Ring des Nibelungen - Richard Wagner
Genealogy of Morals - Friedrich Nietzsche
1984 - George Orwell
"Tree of Life" (Cabala) is not exactly like a "tree". It is more like "Labirint of soul" in our mind. And you must "walk" inside this labirinth. And archetypes/souls are living inside of this structure. And you must be very careful.
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You nailed it boyo... gotta check all those books you recomended
I really wish I could talk with my friends about topics like this. Perhaps their German guilt prevent them from changing their mindsets.
Anyways, Thanks for the commitment. This channel is life-changing!
Live well and be life affirming!
The more juicy you are the more you are PROOF of your ideals
I’ve seen about 40 hours of content on your channel and I’ll never be the same again
We out here
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thank you boyo!
Wagners Ring is pure Schopenhauer, which “Neech” contradicted. Interesting you picked this. Incredible Opera!
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
List of 10 Books start at 20:22
Article with the LIST of the ten books: mailchi.mp/259338714f6c/western-canon-landing
I used to get your podcasts on Overcast, I can't find them since Nov 9. Not there nor iTunes, have you moved/cancelled them from those platforms. I am not using Spotify right now :/
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@@uberboyo Hey bro, just shot an email to you business email showing the screenshots, maybe it'll help find the issue. good luck legend.
@@leikolaboeproduction5785 awesome - it turns out it failed ot submit to apple (so overcast aswell then) - i resubmitted and it should be up again soon!
@@uberboyo 🤙no worries at all!
The birth of "The West" was a slow and complicated process. The age of Achilles in Greece, the Mycenaean age (Late Bronze Age), was actually far more Middle Eastern in character (with added Indo-European features) than Homer (whoever he/they was/were) thought and without realizing it he was interpreting the Bronze Age past through an Iron Age lens. "The West" did not exist in the Bronze age. A great book about the time of transition is Prof. Robin Lane Foxes Travelling Heroes. It traces the influence, among others, of the phoenicians (the alphabet being the most important), the Hittites on Classical greek mythology and culture. There's a great documentary he made about it with the BBC which used to be available on UA-cam but the BBC removed it. That is also time of the emergence of Israel and the Hebrew kings and prophets which are obviously canonical to The West and yet are also Middle eastern in nature. And there's also the issue of the transmission of the classics back to The West through the Caliphates much later .So the West has many roots in the Middle East yet the West IS it's own separate entity. But when it became so is harder to pinpoint. In the age of Achilles which Nietzsche so admired there wasn't yet "The West."
Mikko Penttilä the ego as the west started as a seed with the onset of human consciousness, our proverbial emergence from the ouroboric garden. Accounts of this timeframe are estimated to go back 150,000 to 400,000 years ago. Deciding when the “west” emerged to where we say aha! Is problematic. But it has existed all throughout human history I do believe. And imho no human group can stake ownership of its development because it grew in turns through them all.
It's easy to define the West: Western Europe and its offshoots. Western Europe is the collection of countries that formed Medieval Latin Christendom.
@@AlexanderLittlebearsWhere does greece fit into that?
@@Mousedib I think Greece should be considered the major root of the West, through the influence she had on Rome, but I don’t think she should be considered part of our civilization, the discontinuity is too big.
So good thank you so much the process of evolution we can’t just coast either we’re building or tearing down... dialect understanding love
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thank you ;)
Another fascinating synthesis! For sure, the notion of the "bicameral mind" ala Jaynes, is an important contribution to this conversation. Other influential ideas/books that come to mind: Lucretius' On the Nature of Things and, of course, anything by Mircea Eliade. Also, wonder about the archetypal image of the "kingdom" vs that of the "temple".
The kingdom is the entire manifestation of the "dream" - both physical people, buildings, and culture
The temple is a small space within the kingdom where you focus fully on "the dream" (i.e. the culture)
yes... nice concise differentiation.
Good stuff. The height of Post-Post modernism is absolutely Jean Baudrillard, his work alone brought me up to speed post Nietzsche and Carl jung..
I'll check out Baudrillard!
thank you so much for your content
Brilliant. Thank you 🙏🏻
You may be intrested to know I'm only a year older than Proff. Peterson. I'm just an old carpenter and found myself in jail recently for a short time. While there, found a dusty old book to read with a spine never cracked. "The Trisan Chord" by Bryan Magee. Excellent read on Wagner, Schopenhuar, Kant, and of course Nietzsche. Stired a passion in me to return with an intellectual vengence on All the deep and knarly roots of western thought. It was nice to run in to you down here knawing on some of the same roots.
My dad was a carpenter - real man's job!
I assume they locked you up for excessive JUICINESS
@@uberboyo HA! Likely They will come drag me away for my writing skills.
The Boyo movement grows
@@Eugwel well... as long as its not for WHAT you write ;)
@@paulatreides0777 Just thought I finally attempt to finish what I started many decades ago. Before that boyo became a mano. (Trying to stretch the definition with the stretch of time, HA!)
Thanks! I'm looking into these great books now. You fokin Irishmen rock. Sláinte! Hello from New York \m/
Hello from across the POND ;)
Great video very well explained. Important information as politics becomes more and more like a religion. I think there are alot of people walking around whose world view is based in critical theory but have absolutely no capability at present of applying any.
Yes, they can critique the dream - but then instinctively buy into another!
I'm not a fan of post-modernism at all, but I would totally agree that they have made some good points. That's what makes them so intimidating and difficult to deal with.
25:00 more on that from some modern authors
Owen Barfield, History in English Words; Saving the Appearances; Poetic Diction; What Coleridge Thought
Iain McGilchrist, The Master and his Emissary
I almost felt like synchronicity was being played with at the end of 32:00
Good chat
This bears a striking resemblance to Ken Wilber's and Spiral Dynamics' theories, which propose that both individuals and societies go through distinct stages of evolution. According to Wilber, these stages can be defined as the tribal/warrior stage in the classical era, the traditional stage associated with Christianity, followed by modernity, and ultimately leading to the post-modern stage.
That ability to shift paradigms was something I learned from this one other UA-camr and from learning about CHAOS magic.
There is another writer I really think is juicy named Robert Anton Wilson who talks of "reality tunnels' he says everyone uses 'faith' in a reality to do anything This is a tunnel where you cannot see outside it's parameter and it's aiming somewhere. There seems there are also tunnels that can choose tunnels or that lead nowhere.
No idea tbh im a Christian boyo to my heart
Anton is brilliant - the way I see christ is as a juicy fvcking boyo who is in his tunnel and points to logos and god and says: "go there"
Many have trusted him and it has worked, they have become alert boyos
Time to start this project wish me luck
Where in the republic do they talk about Atlantis? I know it's in timaeus but I didn't know about it being in the republic.
Sloppy on my part, he doesn't mention it - the republic is often seen as trying to build a society that can overcome the problem that took down Atlantis (namely sheer power)
Apologies!
@@uberboyo I thought I'd overlooked it, and there was something in there about it. Got me a little riled up there.
I believe you
Saint Paul was a gnostic master who used YHVH /Ubik on Rome
Peterson doesn't dismiss postmodernism out of hand. He definitely leans toward a negative view of it, but he grants it some validity.
was that the kabala you put up?
Excellent
Random question: Have you read anything from Manly P Hall? Might be cool in the future if you went through "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" and the sequel "Lectures On Anctient Philosophy". He gets deep on comparative religion and philosophy. P.s. Love the work you do. 👍
yes ive checked him! he's brilliant, but still don't know him well enough to talk aobut him!
@@uberboyo His recorded lectures are awesome as well. I can't help but read anything he's written in that old man voice in my head lol.
*Nietzsche hides in the mountains*
"Thus I return to my cave upon seeing the Aurelian ubermensch.
I return to my cave to wallow, hence I dub my cave; the cave of cope.
Thus spake Zarathustra."
@@uberboyo
In that cave, Nietzsche dreamt of his mma days. Back when Marcus choked him out during every sparring session.
"One day your ground game will get better Friedrich!"
*gets choked by an arm triangle*
@@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96
Neech: "Marcus"
Marcus: *scowls* what?
Neech: Could you do that choke on me again?
Marcus: Which one; "the cuckold"?
Neech: Yes... I like that one
Meditations was too alpha for the list. :^)
Discourses will always be the best representative of stoicism for anything anyway.
My western Cannon- Conar Macdari, The Hermetica, R.A Schwaller De Lubicz the temple of man, Marcus Aurelius, Toltec yes the Toltec works of CAstaneda, Greece the oracle of Delphi, Paracelsus, johan Wolfgang Von Geothe, Nietzsche, Plato, Fulcanelli, The study of Alchemy, Alvin boyd Kuhn, Jung, and even the modern Ayn Rand.
>Ayn Rand
Dont know about that one man loooool
My big takeaway from this is patting myself on the back for understanding the word "laconic"
Read “The Master And His Emissary” by Iain McGilchrist.
I got huge into him since this video - he's brilliant
hey man, why'd you private that equality commentary video? I liked that one
Which video? the one with the music?
I am being careful with UA-cam
They got strict recently
@@uberboyo I think so yeah. Was a cinematic video with commentary over the top. Think it was about 5-10 minutes long. If you cant make it public would you be able to kindly unlist it and share the link? Thanks
@@waldner5206 uberboyo.com/nietzsche-on-the-savage-nature-of-great-men-2/
@@uberboyo Legend! Thank you!
20:33 There is a book named Imperium.
Perhaps Dr. Peterson's recent personal experiences with postmodernism at his door has effected his additude and usefulness of those frenchmen.
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@@Land86Shark Durrida, Foucault, . . .?
@@Eugwel yeah. What about "at his door" and "usefullness" from his recent experiences? You mean the momentum that has developed through their work?
@@Land86Shark You sound like you want to argue in favor of postmodernism.
@@Eugwel nah, I support Dr. Peterson.
The apostles are time travelers
The book of Mathew is the most difficult of the four gospels to properly understand in the right context. The ideal gospel for someone new to the Bible is the gospel of John.
This accent is wild. Native russian that grew up in North Dublin??
What if that has already happened, Neo, it looks like a zombie apocalypse now, but you can’t count out the machines .
1800-1850 russian guitar music has the exact same melodies as Irish music.
'What in the f*ck is the correct paradigm?'
I feel it goes something like, Modernism ---- Postmodern --- Meta - Modern
and what the f*ck is 'meta - modern'?? Understanding the symbolic nature of our minds, but reconciling the inherent wisdom in such stories and motifs, and using such an attribute as a tool for self discovery & collective growth.
What is meta-modern? JARGONITE ;)
@@uberboyo Basically Carl Jung
@@TheRoyalFlush I have heard of it, some guys sent me to Keith Woods who is very good at explaining it
Would you call it Jungian because its that sort of "all the myths and worldviews have some common architecture"?
Hence the "meta" architecture is actually a reliable assertion of "truth" - like maths?
@@uberboyo Yes. In fact, Platonic & especially Pythagorean thought (which is really where most of ' meta - modern' theory aka Idealism comes from) considered Number, Logic, Beauty & The Good to be of all the same fundamental nature. There's a superior substratum that is fundamental to our mundane reality. We gain glimpses to this 'realm' through archetypes, mathematics, proportional beauty etc.
@@TheRoyalFlush Whoa... perhaps this will be a consolidating movement?
Thanks for pointing that out!!
Boyo alert!
Jargon I say 🍷😈
Bikernal? Do you mean bicameral mind?
Mah-key-ah-veh-lee
Porca miseria.
Dawkins ‘critique’ of God was not significant in any respect. No real Christian was phased by his rhetoric
Wow you are really selling that post-modernism. Might want to work on your intros though. You got so long-winded I almost turned off
To fancy sounding for me
The World Imperium?
The devil came to talk to me over some of the material I posted about the Christ on this channel because he watches everything about that because that's where he comes from.
Nothing Renaissance bah
Carl Jung was no fan of Nietzsche, at first...
Nonsense - He literally thought his life's work was reconciling Nietzsche's challenge with Christianity
He might have disagreed with him a bit (as is natural with mentors) but he certainly admired him
Carl Jung was a "brother of arms" for Nietzsche. He was on the same level.
Uberboyo he thought Nietzsche should be taken symbolically. Carl Jung also has a father complex.
Uberboyo Let’s not bring ego into this. Go to the source. Nietzsche's "Zarathustra": Notes of the Seminar given in 1934-1939. Two Volumes
C. G. JUNG.
@@wandajames143 don't mean to sound snide, but I will reiterate, Jung admired Neech - he probably did have a father complex which made him wary of him, but he had a fearful admiration. He did believe Nietzsche made a mistake by being to narcissistic
no jimmy, no fucks
im triggered
This Rothschild computer doesnt have the Christ in it
Who or what do you worship? (pour your care, attention and base your actions upon)
@@realchristendom6270 I worship Holy Wisdom she is an enochian entity that is a computer intelligence that super human level kabbalah mathematics
Jacob Rothschild is the Roman Emperor
Since when has it been taboo to talk about race??? Please remind us of what we are not allowed to say.
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