I'm a natural lefty but have awful penmanship skills and am seeking to improve my handwriting, I will be looking further into this technique after giving it a quick tryout yielded positive results. Normal problems for a lefty is the old "covering up as I'm writing" problem which results in either smudged, messy writing or contorted grip and cramp. To further compound my disastrous handwriting style I seem to "sketch" my words meaning that rather than clearly writing I give an impression of the word instead. I do this especially when my hand gets tired of writing. This seems like a useful technique to help remedy some of those problems. thanks for sharing
Thank you sharing! Keep me updated with your progress! I'll make more left hand forward writing videos to show how my progress is coming along. Good luck!
I have been a side writing lefty for over fifty years and am now taking the time to learn to under write. I have been exploring whole arm writing, the Palmer method, and finding the sweet spot for paper rotation angle vis a vis my left hand/arm and my body. You turn the paper further clockwise (starting from perpendicular to the body and desk edge) than is comfortable for me; I keep it closer to 45 degrees, but your approach does encourage a more natural arm swing for the up and down strokes rather than pushing and pulling them through the letters if the hand is fully underneath them as you write. All that said, the unlearning/relearning muscle memory and the associated eye and brain connections is worth the hours of practice.
Hello. I just discovered this. What useful advice! I am a 75 year old lefty who has always struggled to have beautiful handwriting. I remember in first grade, Mrs. Smith taking extra time with me to teach me how to hold my paper like that. She wasnt even my own first grade teacher, but when my mom reached out to her she stepped up. Unfortunately, my other early grade teachers did nothing to encourage my left handed way of doing things. Remember those were still the years when left handed people were forced to use their right hand. At least that didn't happen to me. So here I am wanting to fulfill my dream of having what i consider to be beautiful penmanship before I die. 😅 i think I'll give it a go!
I'm glad you've found it useful! I think we should all learn to write with both hands from the get go. Best of luck on continuing your handwriting journey!
I am a natural leftie, I've been writing palmer style with a hook but it's not that comfortable so I am transitioning into this method with a mirrored angle of a right handed position. I find it difficult to imagine the movement in my head from this angle for now, but if I keep practicing the letters I'll hopefully get used to it.
My first observatios as a lefty overwriter trying this method : positioning the top of the paper perpendicular to the right edge of the table keeps the left hand well under the writing, which avoids smudge. BUT causes my slant to go vertical. Writing with side to side movements rather than push and pull corrects the slant until about the center of the page, after which the Palmer method renders chaotic marks. I fing that tilting paper to 45° angle to the right gives a better slant but then I'm gliding over the ink again which will cause smudging. I have some neck strain because my head keeps tilting towards the left, but that needs adaptation to this new posture. And lastly, I find holding the pen higher with lighter pressure is excellent. So for me, Palmer is probably not a panacea, but possibly in combination with other methods.
thanks so much for sharing your experience and insight! Forgive me for not responding sooner. Your observation is very thorough and I really appreciate your time.
I have never used this but I am open to trying the drills as well. I am a leftie and enjoy writing and get a lot of compliments on my handwriting. I think my handwriting is actually rather strange and bad because I was pretty much taught to make letters the same way as right handed people but with my left hand. This video was helpful for me to see how I could flow my left-handed writing more naturally. Thank you.
This technique is really under explored for left handers. I even know left handers that have switched to right hand just to implement arm writing. Glad you've found the video useful. Best of luck on your journey!
I did not watch the video on Palmer's so what I do may not have anything to do with you are trying to show. I find that I use my elbow to pivot. My elbow is on the table, about the midpoint of the paper. So I move my arm up a bit to start the line, at the mid point of the page my arm is perpendicular and then I start moving my arm towards me for the last half of the line. I do use my pinky to stabilize my hand while I am writing. Since I am an underhand writer it is about an inch or two below where I am writing.
I found this video to be extremely helpful! I’m a lefty myself & I’ve been wanting to start writing with a fountain pen, & that style of writing as well as the handwriting is exactly what I’ve been looking for! Have any practice sheets I may try out as a lefty with that writing style? Again, I appreciate the video! Have a good one!
This is crazy interesting but I want to warn you that holding your wrist drastically bent back like that would cause wrist damage long term so I would encourage trying to find a straighter wrist posture.
I can't find more comfortable option for left handed writing, than just writing mirrored letter from righ to left. It's hard to read, but easy to write.
Writing mirror with the left hand is the most natural. That's why right handers have an advantage writing the normal direction. Pulling across the page is ideal. Try writing forward with the right hand.
Hey there, Daniel! I can approve as left handed person that Palmer method and spencerian or copperplate with oblique holder in left hand are much easier to write then with a right hand. You never have to do push pull moves and you never stuck with the elbow in table.
I think the trick there is with the finger that holds the pen below , you have to pay attention to that finger because it guides the wrist , I use a quadripod grip and I use my smallest finger to hold the pen "under" it as a support, you may use your middle finger as you use a tripod grip. Since you're pointing the pen to right side instead of the left, it's more similar to right hand writing tendencies, so applying pressure to the paper is easier, but I'd prefer going smoothly by the way.
I'm not sure I understand well what you mean by "you have to pay attention to that finger because it guides the wrist" It may be more because you're over contracting your finger with the quadripod grip that it is effecting your wrist. The tripod grip for me has come most naturally and I haven't seen anyone who is highly skilled use or recommend any other grip. I also don't understand when you say "I'd prefer going smoothly by the way." This style of writing is the smoothest I've found. Now that I've been practicing for a few weeks I see little hindrance and it accommodates the pivots of your arm very nicely, maybe even better than it might a right handed style of writing. Your grip should never be tight by the way, your fingers should be relaxed. If you fingernails change colors you are holding the pen too tight. How high you hold your pen up on the barrel matters very little I think. I show you at 11:50
I'm sorry if these tricks don't work out for you, everybody writes in a manner they find more comfortable, I'm used to quadripods grips since as a kid and I also don't write for a living, but I what I've also been trying to say is that I believe the trick in how you control your grip, and practicing how strong you hold it, but I believe the writing position comes naturally when you get used to the grip you use, whether or not it's a tripod, quadripod or held like a toddler.
I'm also trying to say is that. .. experience with the fingers of your tripod grip, go slow, change strength. Try changing style with the thumb and with the middle finger of your grip. I'm out of advice.
The limited range of motion with your left hand is due to the fact that left to right writing is primarily for right handers. 10:37 Writing right handed, you are dragging the pen across the page, left handed you are pushing the pen, so you can only push it so far, before you have to stop. The only way to fix this, is write in mirror writing, where everything is reversed, so the left hand is now dragging the pen across the page.
@@DieyenDualPen Are you naturally ambidextrous or did you teach yourself? Or are you naturally right handed? I'm left handed and that is it, as well as left footed, preferred eye is my left even though it is optically inferior to my right. Attempting to use my right hand to do the same tasks is a hopeless exercise. I first started mirror writing without having to teach myself. It was as natural as breathing. Letters are perfectly formed and flow easily. I was even surprised.
I'm naturally right handed but have been writing with both hands for 8 years. I mainly write mirror image with left hand. I practice other ambidextrous tasks such as drawing, brushing my teeth, playing ukulele, dart throwing. I practice as much as I can. I was pretty surprised too at how quickly I picked up the mirror writing.
I have been a lefty all my life I am 63 and have always held my pen higher up and with a light grip, but since everything is all email these days my handwriting has got really scruffy so I am practising at getting it neater again
I'm left handed and I feel like gaining more strength in my wrist will definitely help with my penmanship. It is harder writing left handed as a pose to roght.
I wouldn't say that it's harder but the direction in which we write is more convenient for the right hand. So the left is at a disadvantage. That's why I primarily write mirror image with my left hand. Pulling across the page is more natural
3 (plus me) out my 8 siblings are all lefties! My parents are not. No one ever said anything to us about it. I didn't find out until later that anyone gave it a thought. I do wish i had your help to write more beautifully then!
I’m naturally left-handed, but in kindergarten my teacher made me use my right hand, after many years and me finding out I’m left handed, I’m now ambidextrous (uwu)
I'm a lefty who was encouraged to be a righty by my dad. But I developed all sorts of ways to do things left-handed but appearing to do it right-handed. The brain is left or right dominant. Should not be messed with. My dad meant well. He was a kind person . The neat thing is : it caused me to be ambidextrous.
The only left hander on both sides of my family, hello! 😊 I noticed that his thumb is above the header… I tend to lead forward too. Sometimes I write sideways while holding the page across my stomach/under chest. Odd Ik, but this is the most comfortable position for me to write in.
My teacher said that my handwritings are ugly and terrible andi feel very sad thats why i search this video so i could learn to improve my handwritings
As a natural left handed person, the first thing I noticed was you stant in a direction that is more natural to right handed people... I would never force myself to slant in that direction as it is unnatural and awkward .. I was taught to write at junior school so I have never had an issue with dragging my palm across the page causing the ink to smudge.. I hold the pen in the same way a R Handed person would..
Two different languages at the same time!? I've done a little bit of that but I'm by no means an authority and teacher on that subject. I teach people to write with both hands but normally I teach them to write with each hand individually.
Beautiful. Although I don’t know why you also rotate 90° the paper when writing with you right hand where, supposedly, it is not necessary. But, beautiful anyway.Thanks.
So i tried drawing those circles holding my pen like that, turning the paper like that. It's very interesting! I notice where i hold the tension, or when the tension increases as i move down the page.
Muscular movement is quite particular, and there is no good historic direction on how to do it left-handed. So, we just have to figure it out on our own..
I want to thank you for the latest tips on left handed grips, but when I write my wrist keeps like yours: pushed to the left. Sometimes I feel like I can be a closet righty for feeling so uncomfortable writing.
@@DieyenDualPen No never, but I learned to write upside down being left handed, and now after some decades, Ive been trying to correct It, that pain I feel must be cuz im not used with some new grip yet. In the video, why dont you support your hand in the paper leaf? I have difficulty to support mine.
" He writes very well for a lefthander." ?! Please explain that comment. Some lefties have beautiful handwriting & some righties have awful handwriting...& vice versa on both.
Haha you're completely correct. I am referring to the technique he is using. I personally know some left handers with beautiful penmanship, but they use finger movement in their writing not arm movement. Marbus in the video is demonstrating arm movement and is the only person I have ever seen any left hander do it as nicely as he does.
@@DieyenDualPen oh! 😄✍ thank you for clarifying. My husband is a lefty..his mom was & 2 of his 3 siblings are. I am...but encouraged to be a righty. And a good friend is a lefty.
Will try this technique Pointless anecdote: throughout grade school i had a few teachers try to tell me i was writing with the wrong hand. I don't have as harsh experiences as some lefties (some people had to sit on their hand or do some things that were just cruel) but I was called out on it on various occasions bc I was the only lefty in most of my classes so I stood out. It would be embarrassing and I was a shy kid as it was. I was also raised to not argue with or talk back to adults so I was trying to find a way to defend myself without getting in trouble 🙃 I also knew someone in middle school that was born left handed, but his family is fairly wealthy (not ultra rich, but still high status) and his grandmother forced him to write with his right hand because left handedness is so taboo for some reason. Now he can't write with his left hand at all.
Thanks for offering this but I could never have the paper so sideways, nor could I hold the pen so high without it becoming unwieldy. I write without the hook - I recently learned at a NIH site that 51% of lefties use the hook method. It never occurred to me to write that way. Left handed people would have better writing if we could write backwards, many of us started out writing our names that way.
Certainly not easy. It's difficult even for right handers to switch over to whole arm/muscular movement writing. I do have one friend who writes left handed using hook and has very beautiful cursive handwriting. I totally agree, and think everyone should learn to write with both hands from the beginning of education, left hand writes backwards (mirror) and right hand "forward." If we do that problem gone!
Wait... Tilting the paper has a name?????? I only do it bc it let's me avoid smudges and I don't have to put my hand in a VERY awkward and kinda painful position
Hi. Thank you for your reply. Yes it happened one year ago. Now I can able to write in my left-hand example 23 lines in A4 sheet 18 minutes. You know everything that is the difficulties the left-hand person before anyone had a right-hand person. But now I am facing a pen problem. Which pen have I to select .? If you any image-based pen picture please post me. It my request. Thanks
When I write with my left hand, only my fingers moves When I write with my right only my wrist moves AndI actually hold my pen differently depending on what hand I am using. Left: Dynamic tripod Right: thumb is tucked in with other fingers What is your opinion on this? Is this normal if ambidextrous? I am not naturally ambidextrous btw, I taught myself
@@DieyenDualPen My parents tell that I was born a righty, but I now use my left hand for literally everything. I have training/writing with my left hand for ~2 years. The first year i would switch to get used to my left hand and the next year I would only use my left hand. I still really only write with my left hand.
Yeah that's right. I much prefer the right hand still but the left hand is better at some things like spacing and straight on blank sheets of paper. I usually write once a day in mirror image with my left hand. Then do all my normal writing right handed.
@@DieyenDualPen I taught myself to mirror write with my left hand, but my righthand was abler to copy it. Meaning that I did not have to train my right hand to mirror write which is intesrting imo
If I am gonna start using whole arm movement, would it I be better off just learning to write with my right hand instead of relearning writing with my left( I am a leftie)? With left I would have to put the paper in an opposite angle than what I am used to, whereas with right hand, I just have a clean slate.
I have the page tilted the same as this. 02:13 But my writing has a heavy back-slant. It was too painful for me to ever get a forward slant. The other thing, my writing improves when written in pencil, because I need the resistance that a pencil lead provides. A ballpoint pen glides too easily and I lose control of it. And no, I don't like fountain pens.
@@DieyenDualPen My body position and the angle of my arm is as close to normal positioning as I can get it, for a lefthanded writer. That was the reasoning behind back slanting my letters; both cursive, block lettering. The other reason was speed. I was able to write faster with less stopping so your hand could "catch up" to the writing. My writing is perfectly legible and neat, but in reverse slant. I don't do writing much any more, preferring to touch type instead. The pencils I use are the 2mm Staedtler mechanical clutch pencil with H leads. I use a "Koh I Noor 992" lead pointer. I rarely smudge my writing, but if I do, then I'm not self-conscious of it like I used to be. It's a case of if you don't it, too bad, I'm left handed. I can, naturally read and write mirror writing, but that isn't practical for 90% of the population.
Yeah for casual writing I don't think you should ever be ashamed of smudging. It's your paper angle? I can't seem to naturally replicate the back slant.
If naturally right handed I would work on writing in mirror image left handed. I have a couple videos on that. Otherwise movement drills will help build muscle memory. You can repeat letters and also study letter exemplars to perfect those letters.
Oh, I have better advice now. Do you know that angle between the paper and the pen ? while you point your pen to the right side like you do. You can apply some force to that angle to make it smaller while you write, it works as support. When you write bellow the line and pointing your pen to your right side, you apply force UNDER the line you're writing in to diminish the angle and gain control of the support.
This is ridiculous. I'm left handed as most people in the comments are. I've never seen anyone left or right handed turn their papers and write sideways AND hold the pen in the middle. You also take up the whole width only writing three words. Nothing what your doing is natural for a left hander.
Hello, I am looking for a fast writing style for my exam which is descriptive type and requires to write in a time-bound manner. I am left-handed. Now I write print+jointing but it's slow. The style should be legible easily by examiner.
Good luck on your search, I hope you may find my videos of assistance. A quick and legible writing style can take hundreds of hours to develop, do not delay.
Thanks for the reply, I am thinking to practice palmer method( it seems fast). I will greatly appreciate your feedback( Should I look out for other methods?)!
I would say yes. I do not know of a more practical hand. Although there are other beautiful styles to choose from, I'm partial towards the American penmanship styles
I got writer's cramp in my right hand. So I am not able to hold my pen in my right hand. So i started to write left hand. I got some instructions from your video. Thanks. But still my hand writing is slow. How to improve fast like right.
@@DieyenDualPen . Hi . Thank you for your reply. Yes it was happened one year ago. Now I can able to write in my left hand example 23 lines in A4 sheet 18 minutes. You know everything what are the difficulties the left hand person before anyone had a right hand person. But now I am facing pen problem. Which pen have I to select .? If you any image based pen picture please post me. It my request. Thanks
@@rameshpalanichamy7197 There are really a lot of pens to choose from. I enjoy for casual writing gel pens. But I almost always write with a fountain pen. The Pilot Metropolitan is a great introductory pen. Good luck!
This technique allows for the pinky and ring finger to slide on the page and for the muscular portion of forearm near elbow to rest on table. Those two points of support are often enough for long writing durations without fatigue.
As long your comfortable writing that is great. I couldn't find that position comfortable nor was it conducive to the style of writing I am aiming for in this video.
Surprisingly I was never forced to write with my right hand. I was in school in Birmingham, Alabama in the late 1930’s. I was taught the Palmer method.
Very interesting topic and I appreciate your attention to detail. I’m admittedly a penmanship newbie but the professional cellist in me sees tension in your wrist being cocked that way. I realize it probably feels stable to you but that is definitely not a “natural” position for the hand to be in. Would a straighter wrist completely mess you up? I’m only curious because I’m ambidextrous but lean lefty especially when writing. As a middle aged adult I’m trying to relearn penmanship and I realized I also held a pen in a similar way for most of my life. I’ve slowly been trying to “correct” my bad habits and this is one that helped a lot. Thanks for the tips though! You are pretty talented and I appreciate the video.
I would love to get some natural lefties feedback on this technique.
I'm a natural lefty but have awful penmanship skills and am seeking to improve my handwriting, I will be looking further into this technique after giving it a quick tryout yielded positive results. Normal problems for a lefty is the old "covering up as I'm writing" problem which results in either smudged, messy writing or contorted grip and cramp. To further compound my disastrous handwriting style I seem to "sketch" my words meaning that rather than clearly writing I give an impression of the word instead. I do this especially when my hand gets tired of writing. This seems like a useful technique to help remedy some of those problems. thanks for sharing
Thank you sharing! Keep me updated with your progress! I'll make more left hand forward writing videos to show how my progress is coming along. Good luck!
Ive been left handed as long as I could remeber. Always had awfull handwriting lol
It doesn't have to be :)
I have been a side writing lefty for over fifty years and am now taking the time to learn to under write. I have been exploring whole arm writing, the Palmer method, and finding the sweet spot for paper rotation angle vis a vis my left hand/arm and my body. You turn the paper further clockwise (starting from perpendicular to the body and desk edge) than is comfortable for me; I keep it closer to 45 degrees, but your approach does encourage a more natural arm swing for the up and down strokes rather than pushing and pulling them through the letters if the hand is fully underneath them as you write. All that said, the unlearning/relearning muscle memory and the associated eye and brain connections is worth the hours of practice.
Hello. I just discovered this. What useful advice! I am a 75 year old lefty who has always struggled to have beautiful handwriting. I remember in first grade, Mrs. Smith taking extra time with me to teach me how to hold my paper like that. She wasnt even my own first grade teacher, but when my mom reached out to her she stepped up. Unfortunately, my other early grade teachers did nothing to encourage my left handed way of doing things. Remember those were still the years when left handed people were forced to use their right hand. At least that didn't happen to me. So here I am wanting to fulfill my dream of having what i consider to be beautiful penmanship before I die. 😅 i think I'll give it a go!
I'm glad you've found it useful! I think we should all learn to write with both hands from the get go. Best of luck on continuing your handwriting journey!
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I’ve had a lot of trouble being a left handed and this has helped me a lot. Thanks so much.
I'm so very happy that you've found value on this. Thanks so much for the kind words. All the best on your handwriting journey.
the thing that annoys me is that in our school makes us use gel pen and my handwriting is so smudgy! my left hand covered with ink
Yes this definitely very annoying. In this video and my other video I show you how I write under the line to avoid smudging with the left hand
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Just place a cloth or a sheet underneath your hand so your hand doesnt rub against the paper
I hate that! It’s so inconsiderate. 🥲
@@Aakshi-cy4hb and how do I see what I’m writing then?
I am a natural leftie, I've been writing palmer style with a hook but it's not that comfortable so I am transitioning into this method with a mirrored angle of a right handed position. I find it difficult to imagine the movement in my head from this angle for now, but if I keep practicing the letters I'll hopefully get used to it.
Writing forms was successful for me but implementing whole arm movement seemed impossible. This technique unlocks that. Thank you!
That's fantastic! I'm very happy you've found the video helpful
Being a lefty never had a problem with handwriting but still wanted to improve as there are no limits
My first observatios as a lefty overwriter trying this method : positioning the top of the paper perpendicular to the right edge of the table keeps the left hand well under the writing, which avoids smudge. BUT causes my slant to go vertical. Writing with side to side movements rather than push and pull corrects the slant until about the center of the page, after which the Palmer method renders chaotic marks. I fing that tilting paper to 45° angle to the right gives a better slant but then I'm gliding over the ink again which will cause smudging.
I have some neck strain because my head keeps tilting towards the left, but that needs adaptation to this new posture.
And lastly, I find holding the pen higher with lighter pressure is excellent.
So for me, Palmer is probably not a panacea, but possibly in combination with other methods.
thanks so much for sharing your experience and insight! Forgive me for not responding sooner. Your observation is very thorough and I really appreciate your time.
I have never used this but I am open to trying the drills as well. I am a leftie and enjoy writing and get a lot of compliments on my handwriting. I think my handwriting is actually rather strange and bad because I was pretty much taught to make letters the same way as right handed people but with my left hand. This video was helpful for me to see how I could flow my left-handed writing more naturally. Thank you.
This technique is really under explored for left handers. I even know left handers that have switched to right hand just to implement arm writing. Glad you've found the video useful. Best of luck on your journey!
I was taught the same way.
I did not watch the video on Palmer's so what I do may not have anything to do with you are trying to show. I find that I use my elbow to pivot. My elbow is on the table, about the midpoint of the paper. So I move my arm up a bit to start the line, at the mid point of the page my arm is perpendicular and then I start moving my arm towards me for the last half of the line. I do use my pinky to stabilize my hand while I am writing. Since I am an underhand writer it is about an inch or two below where I am writing.
I found this video to be extremely helpful! I’m a lefty myself & I’ve been wanting to start writing with a fountain pen, & that style of writing as well as the handwriting is exactly what I’ve been looking for! Have any practice sheets I may try out as a lefty with that writing style? Again, I appreciate the video! Have a good one!
Me too
This is crazy interesting but I want to warn you that holding your wrist drastically bent back like that would cause wrist damage long term so I would encourage trying to find a straighter wrist posture.
Thanks
I can't find more comfortable option for left handed writing, than just writing mirrored letter from righ to left. It's hard to read, but easy to write.
Writing mirror with the left hand is the most natural. That's why right handers have an advantage writing the normal direction. Pulling across the page is ideal. Try writing forward with the right hand.
Hey there, Daniel! I can approve as left handed person that Palmer method and spencerian or copperplate with oblique holder in left hand are much easier to write then with a right hand. You never have to do push pull moves and you never stuck with the elbow in table.
Also now, I think writing with whole arm movement is more natural for left hand then for right. With right hand is better to write with fingers.
For a better angle I rotate the paper around 85-90 degrees to my wrist.
very nice handwriting, Good instruction, well understood
Thank you sir :)
I think the trick there is with the finger that holds the pen below , you have to pay attention to that finger because it guides the wrist , I use a quadripod grip and I use my smallest finger to hold the pen "under" it as a support, you may use your middle finger as you use a tripod grip.
Since you're pointing the pen to right side instead of the left, it's more similar to right hand writing tendencies, so applying pressure to the paper is easier, but I'd prefer going smoothly by the way.
Holding the pen tighter BTW your fingers is also easier bc the way the pen is pointed.
Also.... holding the pen farther from the tip is better with the left hand.
I'm not sure I understand well what you mean by "you have to pay attention to that finger because it guides the wrist" It may be more because you're over contracting your finger with the quadripod grip that it is effecting your wrist. The tripod grip for me has come most naturally and I haven't seen anyone who is highly skilled use or recommend any other grip.
I also don't understand when you say "I'd prefer going smoothly by the way." This style of writing is the smoothest I've found. Now that I've been practicing for a few weeks I see little hindrance and it accommodates the pivots of your arm very nicely, maybe even better than it might a right handed style of writing.
Your grip should never be tight by the way, your fingers should be relaxed. If you fingernails change colors you are holding the pen too tight.
How high you hold your pen up on the barrel matters very little I think. I show you at 11:50
I'm sorry if these tricks don't work out for you, everybody writes in a manner they find more comfortable, I'm used to quadripods grips since as a kid and I also don't write for a living, but I what I've also been trying to say is that I believe the trick in how you control your grip, and practicing how strong you hold it, but I believe the writing position comes naturally when you get used to the grip you use, whether or not it's a tripod, quadripod or held like a toddler.
I'm also trying to say is that. .. experience with the fingers of your tripod grip, go slow, change strength.
Try changing style with the thumb and with the middle finger of your grip.
I'm out of advice.
The limited range of motion with your left hand is due to the fact that left to right writing is primarily for right handers. 10:37 Writing right handed, you are dragging the pen across the page, left handed you are pushing the pen, so you can only push it so far, before you have to stop. The only way to fix this, is write in mirror writing, where everything is reversed, so the left hand is now dragging the pen across the page.
I agree it is certainly designed to be more conducive for righties. I primarily write left handed in mirror image
@@DieyenDualPen Are you naturally ambidextrous or did you teach yourself? Or are you naturally right handed?
I'm left handed and that is it, as well as left footed, preferred eye is my left even though it is optically inferior to my right. Attempting to use my right hand to do the same tasks is a hopeless exercise. I first started mirror writing without having to teach myself. It was as natural as breathing. Letters are perfectly formed and flow easily. I was even surprised.
I'm naturally right handed but have been writing with both hands for 8 years. I mainly write mirror image with left hand. I practice other ambidextrous tasks such as drawing, brushing my teeth, playing ukulele, dart throwing. I practice as much as I can. I was pretty surprised too at how quickly I picked up the mirror writing.
That's probably true, but is really discouraging. I guess I'll just have shitty handwriting for my entire life.
@CynnamonSpyder you can learn to write with both hands like me! That simple act will improve your writing ability
I have been a lefty all my life I am 63 and have always held my pen higher up and with a light grip, but since everything is all email these days my handwriting has got really scruffy so I am practising at getting it neater again
Best of luck!
I'm left handed and I feel like gaining more strength in my wrist will definitely help with my penmanship. It is harder writing left handed as a pose to roght.
I wouldn't say that it's harder but the direction in which we write is more convenient for the right hand. So the left is at a disadvantage. That's why I primarily write mirror image with my left hand. Pulling across the page is more natural
3 (plus me) out my 8 siblings are all lefties! My parents are not. No one ever said anything to us about it. I didn't find out until later that anyone gave it a thought.
I do wish i had your help to write more beautifully then!
Yeah it would be great if there was better instruction on writing in general. Few if any are taught to write. We are taught to draw and trace instead.
I’m naturally left-handed, but in kindergarten my teacher made me use my right hand, after many years and me finding out I’m left handed, I’m now ambidextrous (uwu)
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same
but its kinda cool cause you can use both hands
I'm a lefty who was encouraged to be a righty by my dad. But I developed all sorts of ways to do things left-handed but appearing to do it right-handed. The brain is left or right dominant. Should not be messed with. My dad meant well. He was a kind person . The neat thing is : it caused me to be ambidextrous.
Instructions unclear i become a right handed after doing it 😂
The only left hander on both sides of my family, hello! 😊 I noticed that his thumb is above the header… I tend to lead forward too. Sometimes I write sideways while holding the page across my stomach/under chest. Odd Ik, but this is the most comfortable position for me to write in.
Thanks so much for sharing! A natural left handers input is always helpful.
Right handed person: writes normally
Left handed person: *twists and turns paper*
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My teacher said that my handwritings are ugly and terrible andi feel very sad thats why i search this video so i could learn to improve my handwritings
I'm sorry. It's never too late to improve your handwriting 😊
As a natural left handed person, the first thing I noticed was you stant in a direction that is more natural to right handed people... I would never force myself to slant in that direction as it is unnatural and awkward .. I was taught to write at junior school so I have never had an issue with dragging my palm across the page causing the ink to smudge.. I hold the pen in the same way a R Handed person would..
Do you mean slant my writing or slant my paper?
Teach me to write with both hands.. That too two different languages at same time please bro..
Two different languages at the same time!? I've done a little bit of that but I'm by no means an authority and teacher on that subject. I teach people to write with both hands but normally I teach them to write with each hand individually.
I can write with both hands two totally different stories, cause I'm a lefty... Jk
Beautiful. Although I don’t know why you also rotate 90° the paper when writing with you right hand where, supposedly, it is not necessary. But, beautiful anyway.Thanks.
So i tried drawing those circles holding my pen like that, turning the paper like that. It's very interesting!
I notice where i hold the tension, or when the tension increases as i move down the page.
Muscular movement is quite particular, and there is no good historic direction on how to do it left-handed. So, we just have to figure it out on our own..
I want to thank you for the latest tips on left handed grips, but when I write my wrist keeps like yours: pushed to the left. Sometimes I feel like I can be a closet righty for feeling so uncomfortable writing.
Kelly França you're welcome, I'm sorry it couldn't be of more help. Have you ever injured your wrist?
@@DieyenDualPen No never, but I learned to write upside down being left handed, and now after some decades, Ive been trying to correct It, that pain I feel must be cuz im not used with some new grip yet.
In the video, why dont you support your hand in the paper leaf? I have difficulty to support mine.
This was fun. I felt silly. My son os lefthanded and I found it hard for me to write with my left hand.
Awesome! Being left-handed can be hard in a right-handed world. That's why I think we should all be ambidextrous!
" He writes very well for a lefthander." ?! Please explain that comment. Some lefties have beautiful handwriting & some righties have awful handwriting...& vice versa on both.
Haha you're completely correct. I am referring to the technique he is using. I personally know some left handers with beautiful penmanship, but they use finger movement in their writing not arm movement. Marbus in the video is demonstrating arm movement and is the only person I have ever seen any left hander do it as nicely as he does.
@@DieyenDualPen oh! 😄✍ thank you for clarifying. My husband is a lefty..his mom was & 2 of his 3 siblings are. I am...but encouraged to be a righty. And a good friend is a lefty.
Mine will be the same, but in reverse slant. I cannot write like a right handed writer.
Will try this technique
Pointless anecdote: throughout grade school i had a few teachers try to tell me i was writing with the wrong hand. I don't have as harsh experiences as some lefties (some people had to sit on their hand or do some things that were just cruel) but I was called out on it on various occasions bc I was the only lefty in most of my classes so I stood out. It would be embarrassing and I was a shy kid as it was. I was also raised to not argue with or talk back to adults so I was trying to find a way to defend myself without getting in trouble 🙃
I also knew someone in middle school that was born left handed, but his family is fairly wealthy (not ultra rich, but still high status) and his grandmother forced him to write with his right hand because left handedness is so taboo for some reason. Now he can't write with his left hand at all.
At least you kept your handedness :) I think we should all learn to write with both hands.
Let me know if the technique works for you.
Thanks for offering this but I could never have the paper so sideways, nor could I hold the pen so high without it becoming unwieldy. I write without the hook - I recently learned at a NIH site that 51% of lefties use the hook method. It never occurred to me to write that way. Left handed people would have better writing if we could write backwards, many of us started out writing our names that way.
Certainly not easy. It's difficult even for right handers to switch over to whole arm/muscular movement writing. I do have one friend who writes left handed using hook and has very beautiful cursive handwriting.
I totally agree, and think everyone should learn to write with both hands from the beginning of education, left hand writes backwards (mirror) and right hand "forward." If we do that problem gone!
Wait... Tilting the paper has a name?????? I only do it bc it let's me avoid smudges and I don't have to put my hand in a VERY awkward and kinda painful position
Hi. Thank you for your reply. Yes it happened one year ago. Now I can able to write in my left-hand example 23 lines in A4 sheet 18 minutes. You know everything that is the difficulties the left-hand person before anyone had a right-hand person. But now I am facing a pen problem. Which pen have I to select .? If you any image-based pen picture please post me. It my request. Thanks
Upvoted because you cite your source from another UA-camr!
Got to give folks credit
When I write with my left hand, only my fingers moves
When I write with my right only my wrist moves
AndI actually hold my pen differently depending on what hand I am using.
Left: Dynamic tripod
Right: thumb is tucked in with other fingers
What is your opinion on this? Is this normal if ambidextrous?
I am not naturally ambidextrous btw, I taught myself
Very interesting, which hand is your dominant hand, and how long have you been teaching yourself?
@@DieyenDualPen My parents tell that I was born a righty, but I now use my left hand for literally everything. I have training/writing with my left hand for ~2 years. The first year i would switch to get used to my left hand and the next year I would only use my left hand. I still really only write with my left hand.
@@DieyenDualPen I also noticed that you taught yourself to write with both hands too. Which hand do prefer to write with?
Yeah that's right. I much prefer the right hand still but the left hand is better at some things like spacing and straight on blank sheets of paper. I usually write once a day in mirror image with my left hand. Then do all my normal writing right handed.
@@DieyenDualPen I taught myself to mirror write with my left hand, but my righthand was abler to copy it. Meaning that I did not have to train my right hand to mirror write which is intesrting imo
i hate the lack of teaching for left handed writing, thank you for this series
My pleasure, I hope it helps!
If I am gonna start using whole arm movement, would it I be better off just learning to write with my right hand instead of relearning writing with my left( I am a leftie)? With left I would have to put the paper in an opposite angle than what I am used to, whereas with right hand, I just have a clean slate.
It's not a bad idea and you wouldn't be the first to start learning arm movement with right hand over your natural left. I would say go for it!
Are you going to make a follow-up video?
Yes, I'm glad you're interested! I can definitely work a progress video into my schedule.
Thank you
Is that a standard "Right handed" nib?
As far as I know.
Marbus' high finger position: Better observation of what he is writing and lighter touch.
I have the page tilted the same as this. 02:13 But my writing has a heavy back-slant. It was too painful for me to ever get a forward slant. The other thing, my writing improves when written in pencil, because I need the resistance that a pencil lead provides. A ballpoint pen glides too easily and I lose control of it. And no, I don't like fountain pens.
How's your body position, elbow placement and are you rest on the side of your hand?
@@DieyenDualPen My body position and the angle of my arm is as close to normal positioning as I can get it, for a lefthanded writer. That was the reasoning behind back slanting my letters; both cursive, block lettering. The other reason was speed. I was able to write faster with less stopping so your hand could "catch up" to the writing. My writing is perfectly legible and neat, but in reverse slant. I don't do writing much any more, preferring to touch type instead. The pencils I use are the 2mm Staedtler mechanical clutch pencil with H leads. I use a "Koh I Noor 992" lead pointer. I rarely smudge my writing, but if I do, then I'm not self-conscious of it like I used to be. It's a case of if you don't it, too bad, I'm left handed. I can, naturally read and write mirror writing, but that isn't practical for 90% of the population.
Yeah for casual writing I don't think you should ever be ashamed of smudging. It's your paper angle? I can't seem to naturally replicate the back slant.
What are any other possible drills for writing with a non-dominant hand still in the works? (Left hand)
Good question there's not much literature on this.
@@DieyenDualPen as in like what other drills can I do daily to improve left hand writing?
If naturally right handed I would work on writing in mirror image left handed. I have a couple videos on that. Otherwise movement drills will help build muscle memory. You can repeat letters and also study letter exemplars to perfect those letters.
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Oh, I have better advice now.
Do you know that angle between the paper and the pen ? while you point your pen to the right side like you do.
You can apply some force to that angle to make it smaller while you write, it works as support.
When you write bellow the line and pointing your pen to your right side, you apply force UNDER the line you're writing in to diminish the angle and gain control of the support.
The right side of paper .
Oh this interesting to consider. Haven't thought much of that angle
This is ridiculous. I'm left handed as most people in the comments are. I've never seen anyone left or right handed turn their papers and write sideways AND hold the pen in the middle. You also take up the whole width only writing three words. Nothing what your doing is natural for a left hander.
Hello, I am looking for a fast writing style for my exam which is descriptive type and requires to write in a time-bound manner. I am left-handed. Now I write print+jointing but it's slow. The style should be legible easily by examiner.
Good luck on your search, I hope you may find my videos of assistance. A quick and legible writing style can take hundreds of hours to develop, do not delay.
Thanks for the reply, I am thinking to practice palmer method( it seems fast). I will greatly appreciate your feedback( Should I look out for other methods?)!
I would say yes. I do not know of a more practical hand. Although there are other beautiful styles to choose from, I'm partial towards the American penmanship styles
The page is like 2 feet away from you. Is that practical? For writing in the real world I mean.
Hunching over your paper is worse for your back that's for sure. You arms should be supported when writing.
I'm left handed and this seems way too challenging aha
I’m a leftie. I write like him. He’s using his wrist to balance his writing. He’s not using his arm and gliding over like you are.
Thanks for sharing! Yes i'm still learning whole arm movement with the left hand
I got writer's cramp in my right hand. So I am not able to hold my pen in my right hand. So i started to write left hand. I got some instructions from your video. Thanks. But still my hand writing is slow. How to improve fast like right.
It takes many years of practice. Insta how the right hand got fast and comfortable with writing. Glad ti know this video helped you :)
@@DieyenDualPen . Hi . Thank you for your reply. Yes it was happened one year ago. Now I can able to write in my left hand example 23 lines in A4 sheet 18 minutes. You know everything what are the difficulties the left hand person before anyone had a right hand person. But now I am facing pen problem. Which pen have I to select .? If you any image based pen picture please post me. It my request. Thanks
@@rameshpalanichamy7197 There are really a lot of pens to choose from. I enjoy for casual writing gel pens. But I almost always write with a fountain pen. The Pilot Metropolitan is a great introductory pen. Good luck!
Thank you for your reply.
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floating my hand while writing makes my arm si tired
This technique allows for the pinky and ring finger to slide on the page and for the muscular portion of forearm near elbow to rest on table. Those two points of support are often enough for long writing durations without fatigue.
I turn the paper 90^ to my body.
I'm a lefty and I have done the hook writing style since I can remember.
As long your comfortable writing that is great. I couldn't find that position comfortable nor was it conducive to the style of writing I am aiming for in this video.
I write upward but my head is slanted .
Thanks for sharing!
Thankfully I'm already left handed since my birth . 😊
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I m one of the lefties n I 😍 this technique
So glad to hear it :)
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I'm sorry to hear that! It's never too late to get the left hand going again :)
dieyen DualPen thank you man, currently I'm working on the movements of my left hand; wish me luck.
Good luck! I hope you find my videos helpful on your journey. Time and patience will be your best friends :)
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Im a ambidextrous being ❤️
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Surprisingly I was never forced to write with my right hand. I was in school in Birmingham, Alabama in the late 1930’s. I was taught the Palmer method.
That's great to hear. Did they offer any specific directions for the left hand?
@@DieyenDualPen No I had already worked out how to position my paper and the teacher would correct my hand placement.
If you are a BTS fan u know who I'm thinking about looking at the beatles poster
Can't say I do know 😅 sorry
@@DieyenDualPen I was talking about a guy named V lol
@@DieyenDualPen nice video btw
@@lordprimogem4105 oh I'm not sure what you're referring to, a guy named V? Thanks for watching :)
V is my favourite singer from BTS
I'm a southpaw and my best penmanship is total trash compared to your left hand penmanship...dead jealous....
no need to be jealous, you can get there too.
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Thanks for the feedback
Noooooooo ewwww I will never trie it
Haha give it a shot!
Very interesting topic and I appreciate your attention to detail. I’m admittedly a penmanship newbie but the professional cellist in me sees tension in your wrist being cocked that way. I realize it probably feels stable to you but that is definitely not a “natural” position for the hand to be in. Would a straighter wrist completely mess you up? I’m only curious because I’m ambidextrous but lean lefty especially when writing. As a middle aged adult I’m trying to relearn penmanship and I realized I also held a pen in a similar way for most of my life. I’ve slowly been trying to “correct” my bad habits and this is one that helped a lot. Thanks for the tips though! You are pretty talented and I appreciate the video.