Why did they die? You simply can't belive that they just sat and starved because they refused to come out to receive a fine. Human survival instinct is too strong to allow that. It was likely their gang bosses who forced them to stay down there to die so they can hold the law hostage. Exactly how Vavi is reacting. Don't underestimate the criminal mind and lack of remorse of the ring leaders. This needs to be unpacked with a proper root cause. Condolences to anybody affected.
@@TsietsiJoel Think about what. He does pay taxes. And he contributed a lot in taxes more than you. Should I support u and other South Africans because u wanted those ppl dead underground. So ur life is more important than theirs because of mining abandoned Gold. That is very stupid. So i support Vavi 100% and those that advocated the miners to be rescued. Everyone in South Africa pays tax through employment, businesses and other ventures including those ppl who made sure the rescue mission happened and they pay taxes more than you. So stop the Tax bullshit. Money is not above life. You and other Xenophobic Southern Africans are not God. You dont decide who dies and who stays alive
Crime by whose standard? Quick question, was anyone born with minerals found under ground? If no how did the people who are claiming to own all the minerals acquire them? South Africans we have a lot to unpack, what the Apartheid government did is way deeper and it won't solve itself.
Vavi you are a straight forward man we need people like you in presidency not people who talk to too much because they want position after got positions they keep quiet these fools.
You then mean because wr do not benefit ad South Africans now we must open our Country to people who come here and do crime,whst about our own hunger and missery.
Mr Vavi has made a good point there. We are all humans. I hope that we will get more information about what was found down there when the investigation is complete. I can just imagine the conditions and emotions there. Be strong. This is almost over.
Very sad what happened at Lilly mine, may the rest in peace. But Is it wise to risk other lives to search for body's, only to bury the body again ? Probably not. But to risk the life of a rescuer for a possibly aremed criminal in a dangerous environment. It only encourages more criminals to do likewise.
Lilly mine workers sunk in a container, they could have been rescued but left to die a slow and painful death. To this day, their remains were never recovered.
Vavi should be ashamed of himself for being a such an opportunist and trying to make himself relevant at the expense of the very people he claims to be speaking on their behalf. By the way, where was he when the film crew of young girls were Violated by the armed so called illegal miners. This man is a disgrace as much as the ones he blames.
These old madalas must go on pension. Ba rata menyatla too much just be seen as relevant. Days are gone wht our Country was lawlessness and everyone do as they please...
Vavis is confused and deflecting. he must pick his struggle on whether he represent the legal workers or illegal workers, he should not be relevant at our cost.
I am not celebrating the death but we cannot be pushed to support people who put their lives at risk and expect our government to be pushed into the corner.
Vavi is talking non-sense crime is crime ,I also dont have money but that does not mean im oblidged to terrorise my country , no because Im a law abiding citizen.Personally im tired of people who cant put their own first Vavi dont mislead us because we understand the value of our minerals and how you make a living.
We must be truthful on this ,they were given a chance to resurface instead they sent letters demanding mayonise tomatoe source,cigarets and all ,for us to think they are victims let us think again. How they come here is our concern.
African liberation leaders including those of the SA created this problems when they conspired with the colonisers to retain the economy in the hands of the colonisers, now our people are unemployed and have lost hope of finding employment, without capital to start business this leads to crime. Provide proper socio-economic stability for black people and all this won't happen. Those are people underground, who when they don't mine "illegally" they'll have to eat out of rubbish bins, they deserve dignity.
The SAFTU mouthpiece is wearing a polo shirt that costs a few hundred - ALWAYS FIND THEM IN high cost clothes - they work for the poor - but make sure those poor pay their dues. They don’t go hungry - ever.
If it last 10 years and he doesnt buy new one every year it can cost less. Sometimes people are wearing their grandparents shirt and suits. Not everything that is expensive is a waste. But yeah jt is a contridiction politicalky
Vavi must just sharp up.We can't defend criminals.When you were SG of Cosatu you took money from all employees day salary that you are going to create jobs. What happened with that money. You went and buy T shirts from China while we have a factories.
Thus why Ramaphosa want to work together with Mozambican he knows clearly about the Zama Zama's who died under ground. All these politicians must be charged go straight to jail . Thus why they want to win by force its because of greedy ness of this zama Zama's . They don't want somebody else who sees their corruption they dealing with.
Here's the 5th line of the Preamble in our Constitution: "Believe that South Africa belongs to all who live in it, united in our diversity." This constitution must go!
"we met with group of women lol women are not safe around vavi he has a terrible history" Vavi be a man and rescue those criminals you are chilling in a fancy studio reading from an IPAD. Xoli you guys are losing credibility day by day. Xoli we have ordinary south Africans who sleep hungry daily, sleep under bridges in this rain weather i have never heard you sympathise with them.
South Africa's Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa has been heckled at an inquiry into the shooting dead of 34 striking miners by police in Marikana. At the time of the shooting in 2012, he was a "DIRECTOR" of the Lonmin firm which owns the Marikana platinum mine. He was not a government member and was accused of putting pressure on police to take action against strikers.
Why do you defend criminals? They knew that they embarking on dangerous and illegal journey
Is ALSO a criminal
for a change I'm with the government on this 1 , what would SA government do when AK-47 wielding criminal break the Law ?
Crime is crime....it does not pay
Vavi must go on pension. We are tired of him
Why did they die? You simply can't belive that they just sat and starved because they refused to come out to receive a fine. Human survival instinct is too strong to allow that. It was likely their gang bosses who forced them to stay down there to die so they can hold the law hostage. Exactly how Vavi is reacting. Don't underestimate the criminal mind and lack of remorse of the ring leaders. This needs to be unpacked with a proper root cause. Condolences to anybody affected.
Why did they go there in the first place
Vavi defended criminal Zuma and now criminals again
Vavi speaking for hid bread. Plus ths channel has been pro this mining syndicate. Xoli is pap mahn.
Kingpin
Vavi, don't insult us. Go on pension
Vavi put your money on the table not our tax payers money
Vavi pays Taxes 2. Am sure you don't even pay a lot of money in taxes you just talk toomuch.
@@smithlock6261he is a pensioner,they don’t pay tax
@@smithlock6261 Why are you fighting for Vavi or you're the kingpin in this crimanality
@@smithlock6261 U sound ignorant, think before you speak next time
@@TsietsiJoel Think about what. He does pay taxes. And he contributed a lot in taxes more than you. Should I support u and other South Africans because u wanted those ppl dead underground. So ur life is more important than theirs because of mining abandoned Gold. That is very stupid. So i support Vavi 100% and those that advocated the miners to be rescued. Everyone in South Africa pays tax through employment, businesses and other ventures including those ppl who made sure the rescue mission happened and they pay taxes more than you. So stop the Tax bullshit. Money is not above life. You and other Xenophobic Southern Africans are not God. You dont decide who dies and who stays alive
They are committing a crime! That's not a speculation!
Crime by whose standard? Quick question, was anyone born with minerals found under ground? If no how did the people who are claiming to own all the minerals acquire them? South Africans we have a lot to unpack, what the Apartheid government did is way deeper and it won't solve itself.
Vavi you are a straight forward man we need people like you in presidency not people who talk to too much because they want position after got positions they keep quiet these fools.
Grandpa vavi awuguli wena😂😂😂supporting criminals
I like you Xoli ,you grill everybidy who is in your show or news program.
You then mean because wr do not benefit ad South Africans now we must open our Country to people who come here and do crime,whst about our own hunger and missery.
Mr Vavi has made a good point there. We are all humans. I hope that we will get more information about what was found down there when the investigation is complete. I can just imagine the conditions and emotions there. Be strong. This is almost over.
Gud point just some they go with the flow
Doctor Vavi you are human ❤❤
Kingpin vavi
Criminal acts can not be noble acts. Vavi your fall out with ANC comrades is non of our business
We still have good journalists
Remember Lilly Mine victims whose remains have not been retrieved to this day.
And human rights don’t apply to them,this means this human rights don’t exist 😢
Very sad what happened at Lilly mine, may the rest in peace. But Is it wise to risk other lives to search for body's, only to bury the body again ? Probably not.
But to risk the life of a rescuer for a possibly aremed criminal in a dangerous environment. It only encourages more criminals to do likewise.
Lilly mine workers sunk in a container, they could have been rescued but left to die a slow and painful death. To this day, their remains were never recovered.
Vavi should be ashamed of himself for being a such an opportunist and trying to make himself relevant at the expense of the very people he claims to be speaking on their behalf.
By the way, where was he when the film crew of young girls were Violated by the armed so called illegal miners. This man is a disgrace as much as the ones he blames.
These old madalas must go on pension. Ba rata menyatla too much just be seen as relevant. Days are gone wht our Country was lawlessness and everyone do as they please...
What about the bornes of three poeple I n Lilly mine
This old vavi need help everyone must go home 🏡 please
Criminals or not, come on people these are human lives have a heart.
That's the point. Humans deserve some dignity
Vavi God bless you l wish you to live long 🎉
Vavi king pin
@ no he is not Vavi want people to live simple
Unobuntu lobaba may God bless him
At what stage of the so called illegal recruitment, did the miners not know that what they were entering in to was illegal.
shame on Vavi, to even suggest that operation Vala Mgodi shouldn't have been commissioned
Vavis is confused and deflecting. he must pick his struggle on whether he represent the legal workers or illegal workers, he should not be relevant at our cost.
Cogo Congo Congo, we can learn a lot from them.
Now I start to believe he knows those who buys black market gold he being given money like cyril back in the days
The government did their best & stop blaming police & government on criminals
When they said this politicians were benefiting from that zama zamas now i believe, Vavi is hurting for the closer of this mines.
I am not celebrating the death but we cannot be pushed to support people who put their lives at risk and expect our government to be pushed into the corner.
Vavi is talking non-sense crime is crime ,I also dont have money but that does not mean im oblidged to terrorise my country , no because Im a law abiding citizen.Personally im tired of people who cant put their own first Vavi dont mislead us because we understand the value of our minerals and how you make a living.
We must be truthful on this ,they were given a chance to resurface instead they sent letters demanding mayonise tomatoe source,cigarets and all ,for us to think they are victims let us think again.
How they come here is our concern.
Why don’t you ask the community and the king pins to explain 😂😂😂😂😂
#keepitmoving no room for crime is crime
Who sent them underground
Greed
Some people are hurtles..abakhishwe baboshwe ay lento ayenziwa government
I think Mr Vavi is appealing for the restoration of our humanity here. Human life is sacrosanct
Vavi has become superficial - we are all devastated but we should not be lured to defend crime. How would Our fellow colleagues in SADC treat this.
These politicians must look at what is happening in the DRC.
Just ask the Uncle what is he going to do on all the other mines where they steal minerals.Every one worry only about Stillfontein
Manner of thinking and explanation says a lot about the person.
African liberation leaders including those of the SA created this problems when they conspired with the colonisers to retain the economy in the hands of the colonisers, now our people are unemployed and have lost hope of finding employment, without capital to start business this leads to crime. Provide proper socio-economic stability for black people and all this won't happen. Those are people underground, who when they don't mine "illegally" they'll have to eat out of rubbish bins, they deserve dignity.
Bring back our troops from DRC
Newzroom Afrika has one agenda always.
Deputy minister you are still not civilised. What a shame
Vavi , criminality and politics are not partners
Who's this government? 😢🤔
So how were they coming out to go and spend the money.Stop food getting in so that they come out.
Mxm! He's busy with the illegal miners while were suffering in the steel industry. Ungenaphi nje? 😢
Aphelile amazinyo😂😂😂😂
Vavi defending criminals, unbelievable
Vavi is acting like a clown. We can't have such people as leaders.
Attention seeking.... Relevance hunter...
When it involves guns and state security it becomes police matter
The SAFTU mouthpiece is wearing a polo shirt that costs a few hundred - ALWAYS FIND THEM IN high cost clothes - they work for the poor - but make sure those poor pay their dues. They don’t go hungry - ever.
If it last 10 years and he doesnt buy new one every year it can cost less. Sometimes people are wearing their grandparents shirt and suits. Not everything that is expensive is a waste. But yeah jt is a contridiction politicalky
But also not really we need to support textiles i dont know if polo is locally employing
Who was benefiting on this.why can't they tell who recruited them?
Shem!!!!
Nxa Vavi so useless
Vavi must just sharp up.We can't defend criminals.When you were SG of Cosatu you took money from all employees day salary that you are going to create jobs. What happened with that money.
You went and buy T shirts from China while we have a factories.
Were this criminals working for you Vavi?
Thus why Ramaphosa want to work together with Mozambican he knows clearly about the Zama Zama's who died under ground. All these politicians must be charged go straight to jail . Thus why they want to win by force its because of greedy ness of this zama Zama's . They don't want somebody else who sees their corruption they dealing with.
Wuuuuuuu Vavi
They whent there an there own ....what dit u do nathing ...sit an the stoop and smoke chitt
What happened and who died?
what bs is this now...
Vavi is talking nonsense all along miners could go in and out as they wish and they wer told to exit they remained ther
Is the constitutìon of SA was drafted for South Africans or for the world
Here's the 5th line of the Preamble in our Constitution: "Believe that South Africa belongs to all who live in it, united in our diversity."
This constitution must go!
Devils
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂vavi vavi 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wena Vavi, you are mad.
Vavi is benefiting i. This black market
Hey which mines? You wont be a President of des Coutry your dreams comes 🐤
"we met with group of women lol women are not safe around vavi he has a terrible history" Vavi be a man and rescue those criminals you are chilling in a fancy studio reading from an IPAD. Xoli you guys are losing credibility day by day. Xoli we have ordinary south Africans who sleep hungry daily, sleep under bridges in this rain weather i have never heard you sympathise with them.
So now Mr vavi is a pathologist now😂
Evil government of Ramaphosa and Racists!!!
Crime doesn't pay you will talk all holly lies true is true
Do you want our govt to support criminals?
Vavi you are out of touch with reality ,we are aware that you lost popularity you will never make a sound come back
And before I forget ANC is for foreigners not for South African you guys you put foreigners first then South African last
Who send them under ground VAVI u no the law now u sounds like a preacher stop blaming government
Awesome interview Xoli! Thank you Mr Vavi Well said. Much appreciated!
I know that you're making news but minister is right to say what she said
Why nobody is taken in arrest for the dead miners
South Africa's Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa has been heckled at an inquiry into the shooting dead of 34 striking miners by police in Marikana.
At the time of the shooting in 2012, he was a "DIRECTOR" of the Lonmin firm which owns the Marikana platinum mine.
He was not a government member and was accused of putting pressure on police to take action against strikers.
the people have already forgotten
@@chanadolu That's what they all rely on, we all human, we get on with our lives.