1- you’re a great speaker. Very clear and engaging. 2- I feel sooooo fortunate to have just read Born to Run in 2024 despite wearing minimalist shoes since the mid 2000’s. I found them from the kettlebell crowd. 3- Barefoot Ted is a really refreshing thinker/creator in the health/wellness world.
1 - Thank you. 2 - I'm jealous. It's a book I wish I could go back and read again for the first time. 3 - Ted is definitely unique, I've always been a fan. 🤙🏻
I’m a mightily fan of Lunas, many pairs, thousands of miles on snow, trails, roads. That said, I customize them with a BigToeLoop. There’s simply no comparison to the vastly better conformity to the foot and all the benefits that come with that. And yeah, the loops are comfortable and indestructible…
I checked the video on your channel about what the BigToeLoop is. Interesting solution, but not for me. I have Hallux Limitus in both my big toe joints (from years of snowboarding and skateboarding) and one of the reason I love Lunas so much is how free my big toe is to flex and move. That is great for me to work on mobility and keep the range of motion I do have, even extend it when I spend a lot of time in my Lunas. So locking my toe down like that is a no go for me. Though it’s an interesting mod that I think some would love. You just send it to Luna and see what Ted has to say about it. That could be an interesting conversation for sure.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for the thoughts and mentioning to Ted too! I’ve had some email back/forth with him too. Sounds like they are kicking around a loop design. The design I’ve created makes it also an easy add on post footbed production too. I for sure understand causing joint issues. If you end up wanting to try the design, let’s chat directly. Probably my favorite part of the loop - beyond durability longer than the shoes! - is it allows for such efficiently fast and low-to-the-ground, very forefoot foot strike without ever catching the front lip of the sandal. And you run insanely quiet - never any sandal “slap” on the ground :). Happy Summer running!
Nice video. A friend of mine just recommended Luna sandals to me which has opened up my eyes to the world of barefoot running. I just ordered Born to Run because of him and this video, and I look forward to reading it and trying on some Lunas!
Enjoy B2R… it’s an amazing book. Also I’d recommend buying “Born to Run 2”, which came out a few more the ago… and is a manual on how to learn to run barefoot. Tons of drills and progression on how to learn safely. There will eventually be a little more barefoot content on this channel here and there. Good luck
Ok, I watched this video based on your suggestion on your other video. Turns out our thoughts about using running sandals are eerily similar 🤣 I don't use Luna sandals, though. Unfortunately Luna sandals are very expensive here in my country, and I didn't want to spend that amount of money for something I wasn't sure I'm going to like. So I bought a local brand barefoot sandals, basically a cheap version of Luna's Venado lineup with a simpler strap system, but for me it is effective enough to have a good lockdown. Been using them for about a year now, and bought a second pair.
I'm loyal to Luna for many reasons... but running sandals are do the same thing, some better than other from a materials POV though. The important part is spending time in them and getting the benefits of foot strength and leg conditioning as well as mechanics and form. 👍🏻
@@kevinnaldo5605 I had never heard of them but had to Google them. I’ve never tried them before. I stick to only Lunas now. Though I’ve run in others in the past.
Glad you're covering barefoot running shoes too! I use vibram fivefingers, but they are hard to find in Taiwan. Thanks for your review of the Luna Sandals. I might try them out. :D
Hello fellow Taiwan resident! Small world. Lunas are quite popular here and you can definitely find Monos in many places. More camping/hiking stores than running stores though. They even used to be in Sogo, not sure about post COVID though. I do have a long background with barefoot running and will be going much more into it all in future content. I’m though this channel will def it let stay mostly focused on more mainstream running gear. While not barefoot… I’m also going to cover the “Y Sandal” Taiwan Marathon Slipper…
I noticed recently that Luna is now making a tire sole version of their sandal. Ted cut the original pair of Lunas from the ones made for him on a tire sole with leather strapping.
Thank you for being thorough and pointing out every little detail. Many people don't describe the feel of a shoe underfoot. As someone who is newer to barefoot shoes and looking for my first barefoot sandal I really apricate it. I am looking for something with a bit of padding that isn't soft but firm and I think you have steered me in the right direction. Though I have been drawn to the Origin Lite for whatever reason. Again, apricate the detail, off to watch some more videos!
I run un the mono winged edition. You are spot on about the sandals of course...they are amazing and the running is so pure and freeing. It is hard to get past running in public with them but I use some black injinji socks and they are more comfortable and barely noticiable that you are even running in sandals. I am on the verge of running in them all the time as they feel so much more natural and have allowed me to recover from horrible plantar fasciitis and reoccurring calf injuries. I rotate however with the Altra Lone Peaks which have a good natural feel when sandals are not an option...but really when are they not? Will certainly go out in them today now.
I didn’t spend as much time in my Vendos over the winter as I normally do… but I’ll take them out this summer when it gets extra hot and humid. They are great in days like that.
Born to Run also inspired me like nothing else has and I owe so much to Chris McDougall and that book. Cannot recommend it highly enough to people! It started me on this path of getting the best advice I ever could have wished for, from videos on running form by Eric Orton to learning about barefoot running, getting Vibram five fingers and Lunas. From that I also read ultramarathon legend Scott Jurek's Eat & Run which has been the biggest influence on my changing so many eating habits to a healthier diet. Totally recommend that also, it is hugely inspiring and packed with information that's just gold. Absolutely love my Lunas. Highest quality sandals I've ever had or seen. Have the original Monos I bought in their Seattle store which are super light and the Oso trail with Vibram Megagrip. The Monos are getting worn down, and I will get the Origen's next which are their longest lasting tread for road. I love how Lunas are the closest thing you can get to Tarahumara sandals which they're based on and in many ways they're better. Expensive but to me worth it, handmade in the US. I also use other footwear but I will always have a pair of Lunas... totally recommend them!
Any issues with stubbing your toes in these? Next budget cycle, I’m considering Lunas to replace my Lems Primal 2 on my weekly “barefoot” run. I just finished Born to Run yesterday. It took me several attempts. Once I was able to understand it as a story, I was able to complete it. It wasn’t really for me, but it was enjoyable.
Nope... I've obviously stubbed my toe, but not anymore than I have in shoes (which is rare). The thing about hiking/trail running in sandals is you learn to become very deliberate with your foot placements. It's a skill I even find myself doing to this day. B2R is one of those books I wish I could read again for the first time.
I'm very interested in the Mono lunas. I intend to use them mostly in an urban walking everyday environment. You mentioned the wings rubbed and caused blisters. Was this only when used for running or did this also happen when just walking? Likewise, has the clasp ever rubbed on the top of the foot? Im wondering how abrasive these plastic components are in tge strapping system? Reason I ask is that returns in the UK even to a distributor would be hassle. I've considered the Evo C in the Bedrocks as I've heard good things about the strapping system, but am still drawn to the Monos from research I've done.
I've used Luna Monos as casual shoes, around urban areas (NYC, Tokyo, Taipei, LA...) for years. They are wonderful. The wings only cause my feet issues when running and also only if my feet aren't conditioned to running in Lunas. Once my feet, the skin really, toughen up they no longer give me issues. I've never had irritation from anything else on a Luna, the top strapping clip, or the heel, either casual, hiking or running. It is why I like Luna's strapping design so much. Better materials and stitching make a huge difference. I like Bedrocks, not as runners, but as casual outdoor shoes. The issue with them though is their strapping. Two areas. The triple joint that sits on top of the foot has ALOT of stitching in it, which often irritated the top of my foot. Never badly but enough that I'd need a band-aid/plaster for comfort at times. The bigger issue is the velcro heel closure though. If you don't get it perfectly aligned the velcro will rub your achilles. Often, even if you close them in alignment, hiking in them will shift them... so you'll still get rubbing. This issue is why I stopped wearing Bedrocks. Lunas are a simpler design, better materials and I prefer the flexibility of their footbeds by alot. The MGT layer directly under the foot is also fantastic in how it holds onto your foot over many many kms.
Another viewpoint here, I walk long distance in my mono winged and run in them and get no irritation from the rubber wings. I’ve seen others say they used injinji’s or other branded toe socks, if they experienced irritation, and it went away. Either way, I can run in mine barefoot with no irritation. I have a slim foot, so not sure if this has anything to do with it! Go get em! (I got mine from Footworks in Edinburgh, couldn’t see you having any problems sending returns back, they have good online reviews stating that others have done this with no issue)
It's been a year since you made this video. How are they holding up today? Do you still recommend them? Do you have any clips of you wearing them, or putting them on? I'd like to see an update vid 🙂
I mean, I've worn Lunas for the past 10 years. The worn pairs in this video were already a few years old. No issues with durability at all. All going strong. Ha, trust me, you don't want to see my toes...maybe I'll do a fit video someday with Injinji socks...no immediate plans though.
@user89076 Runners toes NEVER look fine. 😂 Ya, no worries on durability on these. I’ve gone years between replacing, average of 3-5 years of use per Luna.
Do you experience the heel strap slipping with the retro lacing system? I’m wanting a pair of retro oso Flacos. It seems like LUNAs customer service is trying to talk me into the winged edition though. I think I’m on the same page as you that I’m not looking for something like a teva and that I would like the ultra minimalist lacing system of the retro laces. However I also don’t want to wear the tech strap. It just seems like too much. But will the heel strap stay up without the tech strap or wings?
Honestly, I don't find any difference between the two lacing systems as far as fit and hold. I prefer running in the retro lacing due to the winged posts can cause blisters on the sides of the foot, the retro does not. Both systems offer similar foot hold in my experience and require similar tweaking to get right for your foot (it does take time). I also never use the tech strap
I just wear them in the rain as is. For cold rain, Luna does have a tabi style bootie they sell. For just cold temps... I do use Injinji toe socks, though not that often.
It’s like any running shoe. If you are getting odd pains and aches, that you never did before, it’s time to switch. That being said Lunas last a long time. My current Venados are at 532k and perfectly broken in and molded to my foot with plenty more to go. My last pair of Monos lasted about 1200k of hiking and running.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you for your quick reply. I loved this video. I have a pair of venado sandals that are a bit thinner on the outside heel due to my supination and while I don't feel any discomfort, I'm wondering if I need to switch them. The outside, back corner is about half the width of the inside.
Different training stimulus keep the feet (and legs) healthy. Running in any one shoe, including Lunas, is often a path to injury. Though if I was forced to pick one shoe to run in for the rest of my life... Lunas would likely be it. Strong feet are healthy feet.
@@SagasuRunning I agree. But that's why you run on different surfaces, both directions on the same side of the road, hills and flats, etc. The problem with traditional shoes is they hold your feet very ridged, like a cast, and therefore don't allow them less ability to strengthen. For example "rolling the ankle" versus no issue in LUNA Sandals.
But if you have strong and developed ankles, from barefoot running and different surfaces, then you don’t really need to worry. I’m have a long background with barefoot running and many years running/loving 100% in barefoot shoes. I also and a road runner and the reality is wide toe boxes and zero drop shoes are not optimal for everything. Shoes are tools… picking the right tool for the job is important. Shoes are also tools… for training and racing. There is a big reason why you see zero elite level road or trail runners running in barefoot shoes or sandals. Sure there are ones here and there, but performance isn’t there. That’s not to say you can race a marathon or an ultra in barefoot shoes or sandals… I have (marathon) but performance is key racing and barefoot/zero drop shoes just don’t have it. But I love my lunas and I use them as a training tool for sure… and that will never stop.
@@LiefRunsFar I'm not sure I follow your analogy. Many elites are very transparent about their training and what they train in. Most are on Strava and you can see what they are doing there or in social media. Sure all elites go into a blackout in important weeks leading up to a A race...but it's still very clear what they are training in and how they are training.
Interesting the strapping on the Xeros give me the same problem. Bedrock’s strapping is maybe my favorite, but those are best for hiking. Maybe I’m just used to Lunas after over 12 years in them.
I've honestly never had an wear issues on the straps. On the Mono the strap never touches the ground. On the Venado, one the sandal molds to your foot, it also really doesn't touch the ground. Yes, the strap can be replaced and Luna will help you with that. Like I said though, I've never had issue, and usually wear through the outsole first. Thank you for the support!
@@SagasuRunning thanks for the reply. That is remarkable that where the strap folds underneath the sandal doesn't wear over time. I like here in the UK and run mainly in the Peak district where most trails are knarly underfoot with rocks. I've used the xero genesis sandals for about 2 years now and the straps are now worn and torn but was looking for a thicker sole upgrade as they are very thin and rocky sections can get somewhat unbearable to run. Really appreciate you doing this video. Happy running!
Xero uses a much thinner midsole and is rather floppy compared to a Luna Venado. I have run in Xero sandals and did have issues breaking the strapping (and pulling the toe plug through the midsole). Again, never has those issues in Lunas. On the Venado, the strapping does touch the ground early on, until the sandal conforms to your foot, but it never seem to tear for me. I did used to put shoe goo on them… but never alot nor did I ever have to reapply. Also this really is only and issue on the Venado. The lugged outsole Lunas all recess the strapping. A heavy heel striker of someone with massive over-pronation would probably wear the area over time… but those type of runners aren’t running on barefoot sandals. The winged versions also completely remove the strapping exposure issue, which I can only assume is part of their design.
@@SagasuRunning thank you plenty! Great sales pitch, I'll be getting a pair. Just love the freedom sandals give you and the durability for the price we pay for footwear these days especially here in the UK ever since we left the EU. #brexit Thank you so much again for the review and answers. Keep enjoying running!
I googled it and watched his video on it. I don’t see how this is any different than a Luna? I don’t care for Xero’s strapping system and their soles are too floppy in my experience. I’ll keep my eye on it though.
Hi, Thanks for this video - in india these are quite expensive. I was on the verge of picking up a pair of Nike free RN 5.0s (the first edition 3.0s were my absolute favourite). Would you pick these sandals over the 5.0s? I run just a few kms per week, and my everydair shoe is a pair of Pegasus 38s
Depends on your goal. If you want a lighter and flexible “minimalist” running shoe with lots of ground feel go for the Nike free. But Nike frees are not a barefoot shoe. If you want to learn to run barefoot or really work on a barefoot running technique… go for the Lunas. If you do go this route… go slow. Your feet and legs will need to adjust coming from a normal 10mm drop running shoe like a Peg.
@@imranladak3869 Nice. I’d also recommend picking up the book “Born to Run 2”… it’s less a novel and more a manual one how to run barefoot or in minimalist shoes. Tons of drills and a program to help get you start off on the right foot (no pun intended). I can’t recommend it enough!
How would you describe good running form? There seems to be a lot of mixed opinions on foot strike, and I’ve tended to view zero drop or barefoot shoes an appeal to nature and not necessarily better.
Personally I feel a mid/forefoot strike to be “proper” running form. It loads the entire kinetic chain of the foot arch/Achilles/calves optimally. That being said, personal biomechanics dictate a lot. As long as one isn’t over extending in front of their center of mass, however their body wants their foot to land that will work. One CAN learn how to change their foot strike ( I did) but one doesn’t HAVE too as long as they aren’t over extending. Foot strength and leg strength benefit every runner. Running in a minimal shoe definitely builds it. It’s worked for me for nearly 13 years now.
Troy--many podiatrists agree with you that zero drop running likely contributes to injuries, but there is no solid, large-scale evidence either way yet. I mostly midfoot strike, but I will say that studies do show that heel striking is the most energy efficient way to run.
@@imnotlettingyouseemynamethat may be, but heal striking also puts the most force on your entire legs. Hence why runners in traditional shoes are either injured or know an injured runner.
The Oso Flaco is very thin and light (7mm/7.2oz) and the Middle Bear (9.4mm/8.2oz), otherwise the same outsole and lugs. It depends on how much ground feel and minimalism you want.
In a sandal… it’s about preference and how minimalist you want to me. There is a line of thinking in the huarache sandal/barefoot running world… they having as little material between you and the ground is better. Which is the opposite of the Tarahumara Indians think about running sandals. For running shoes… it’s a different explanation.
I always go up .5 size in Lunas. More to have a little bit more protection in front of the toes. The extra length acts like a toe bumper in some ways. But I could wear the TTS if I wanted. That is just how I've always done it.
I Love Lunas! I had knee problems and had to use a cane to walk around for 6 years until I found these. I have all of the models now but prefer mono gordo or mono to run. (Yes, I’m running now). I like oso or middle bear for walking around or on hike hills. Thank you for your excellent review!
Similar, but different. The Venado has no outsole pattern on it so there is nothing to wear down really. However, the Mono is twice as thick and has an outsole pattern which will wear down eventually. So I’d say you’ll get the same wear out of both, though the Mono Is likely to give you more due to it’s thickness. You really can’t go wrong with either!
@@i.p2088 haha. True. But Luna has something special and their tech is very modern. These are a very nice balance to all the superfoams and carbon fiber tech other there. Don’t worry… plenty more tech coming. 👍🏻
@@SagasuRunning Oh I meant the title of the video. Often Imitated, Never Duplicated sounds better than Often Imitated, Never Bettered. Not regarding your speaking. You speak very well. 😎
Way overpriced for what they are. Why should I buy a minimalist sandal that's as expensive as last year's top high-stack super cushioned running shoe? I am aware of the benefits but the prices of basically all the minimalist sandals are ridiculous.
I understand your concern but I've heard this logic error many times. "If they're so expensive, at least there should be enough material or technology in them". People confuse price with value. With the big brand shoe manufacturers, you're paying mainly for marketing, a bit of cult and style and, yes, a bit for technology and innovation. Sandals are made by hand. And we already have the best technology for running built in from birth.
You know. I’ve never once even considered this was a problem. I’ve never heard anyone in the barefoot community saying huarache sandals were not wide enough. It’s not as simple as going up a size as the outsole would be too floppy. There are different strapping options though. I’d email Luna and ask what they recommend. Sorry I have nothing else to offer.
1- you’re a great speaker. Very clear and engaging.
2- I feel sooooo fortunate to have just read Born to Run in 2024 despite wearing minimalist shoes since the mid 2000’s. I found them from the kettlebell crowd.
3- Barefoot Ted is a really refreshing thinker/creator in the health/wellness world.
1 - Thank you.
2 - I'm jealous. It's a book I wish I could go back and read again for the first time.
3 - Ted is definitely unique, I've always been a fan. 🤙🏻
I just purchased my first pair of Lunas, and so far, I love them!
They are great! You’ll enjoy them for many years.
I’m a mightily fan of Lunas, many pairs, thousands of miles on snow, trails, roads. That said, I customize them with a BigToeLoop. There’s simply no comparison to the vastly better conformity to the foot and all the benefits that come with that. And yeah, the loops are comfortable and indestructible…
I checked the video on your channel about what the BigToeLoop is. Interesting solution, but not for me. I have Hallux Limitus in both my big toe joints (from years of snowboarding and skateboarding) and one of the reason I love Lunas so much is how free my big toe is to flex and move. That is great for me to work on mobility and keep the range of motion I do have, even extend it when I spend a lot of time in my Lunas. So locking my toe down like that is a no go for me.
Though it’s an interesting mod that I think some would love. You just send it to Luna and see what Ted has to say about it. That could be an interesting conversation for sure.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for the thoughts and mentioning to Ted too! I’ve had some email back/forth with him too. Sounds like they are kicking around a loop design. The design I’ve created makes it also an easy add on post footbed production too. I for sure understand causing joint issues. If you end up wanting to try the design, let’s chat directly. Probably my favorite part of the loop - beyond durability longer than the shoes! - is it allows for such efficiently fast and low-to-the-ground, very forefoot foot strike without ever catching the front lip of the sandal. And you run insanely quiet - never any sandal “slap” on the ground :).
Happy Summer running!
I really need to know this trick
Nice video. A friend of mine just recommended Luna sandals to me which has opened up my eyes to the world of barefoot running. I just ordered Born to Run because of him and this video, and I look forward to reading it and trying on some Lunas!
Enjoy B2R… it’s an amazing book. Also I’d recommend buying “Born to Run 2”, which came out a few more the ago… and is a manual on how to learn to run barefoot. Tons of drills and progression on how to learn safely.
There will eventually be a little more barefoot content on this channel here and there.
Good luck
Ok, I watched this video based on your suggestion on your other video. Turns out our thoughts about using running sandals are eerily similar 🤣
I don't use Luna sandals, though. Unfortunately Luna sandals are very expensive here in my country, and I didn't want to spend that amount of money for something I wasn't sure I'm going to like. So I bought a local brand barefoot sandals, basically a cheap version of Luna's Venado lineup with a simpler strap system, but for me it is effective enough to have a good lockdown. Been using them for about a year now, and bought a second pair.
I'm loyal to Luna for many reasons... but running sandals are do the same thing, some better than other from a materials POV though. The important part is spending time in them and getting the benefits of foot strength and leg conditioning as well as mechanics and form. 👍🏻
Do you by any chance wearing "Meyko Sandals"?
@@kevinnaldo5605 I had never heard of them but had to Google them. I’ve never tried them before. I stick to only Lunas now. Though I’ve run in others in the past.
Glad you're covering barefoot running shoes too! I use vibram fivefingers, but they are hard to find in Taiwan. Thanks for your review of the Luna Sandals. I might try them out. :D
Hello fellow Taiwan resident! Small world.
Lunas are quite popular here and you can definitely find Monos in many places. More camping/hiking stores than running stores though. They even used to be in Sogo, not sure about post COVID though.
I do have a long background with barefoot running and will be going much more into it all in future content. I’m though this channel will def it let stay mostly focused on more mainstream running gear.
While not barefoot… I’m also going to cover the “Y Sandal” Taiwan Marathon Slipper…
Well, I got, a pair of huaraches that have tire soles, like 5 to 6 years ago and they are doing great.
I noticed recently that Luna is now making a tire sole version of their sandal. Ted cut the original pair of Lunas from the ones made for him on a tire sole with leather strapping.
Nice one. Luna runner in Tokyo here :)
I do see Luna’s a lot in Japan, mostly casual (they seem popular as “outdoorsy”, same as here in Taiwan).
Either way… 🤙🏻
Thank you for being thorough and pointing out every little detail. Many people don't describe the feel of a shoe underfoot. As someone who is newer to barefoot shoes and looking for my first barefoot sandal I really apricate it. I am looking for something with a bit of padding that isn't soft but firm and I think you have steered me in the right direction. Though I have been drawn to the Origin Lite for whatever reason.
Again, apricate the detail, off to watch some more videos!
You want the Luna Mono Winged edition… trust me. It’s exactly what you described you wanted. Enjoy them!
@@SagasuRunning Sounds good to me, thank you for the suggestion.
I run un the mono winged edition. You are spot on about the sandals of course...they are amazing and the running is so pure and freeing. It is hard to get past running in public with them but I use some black injinji socks and they are more comfortable and barely noticiable that you are even running in sandals. I am on the verge of running in them all the time as they feel so much more natural and have allowed me to recover from horrible plantar fasciitis and reoccurring calf injuries. I rotate however with the Altra Lone Peaks which have a good natural feel when sandals are not an option...but really when are they not? Will certainly go out in them today now.
I didn’t spend as much time in my Vendos over the winter as I normally do… but I’ll take them out this summer when it gets extra hot and humid. They are great in days like that.
Born to Run also inspired me like nothing else has and I owe so much to Chris McDougall and that book. Cannot recommend it highly enough to people! It started me on this path of getting the best advice I ever could have wished for, from videos on running form by Eric Orton to learning about barefoot running, getting Vibram five fingers and Lunas. From that I also read ultramarathon legend Scott Jurek's Eat & Run which has been the biggest influence on my changing so many eating habits to a healthier diet. Totally recommend that also, it is hugely inspiring and packed with information that's just gold.
Absolutely love my Lunas. Highest quality sandals I've ever had or seen. Have the original Monos I bought in their Seattle store which are super light and the Oso trail with Vibram Megagrip. The Monos are getting worn down, and I will get the Origen's next which are their longest lasting tread for road. I love how Lunas are the closest thing you can get to Tarahumara sandals which they're based on and in many ways they're better. Expensive but to me worth it, handmade in the US. I also use other footwear but I will always have a pair of Lunas... totally recommend them!
I also always travel with a pair Lunas and have them with me always. I’m also a big fan of Eric Orton’s coaching and UA-cam channel.
Any issues with stubbing your toes in these? Next budget cycle, I’m considering Lunas to replace my Lems Primal 2 on my weekly “barefoot” run.
I just finished Born to Run yesterday. It took me several attempts. Once I was able to understand it as a story, I was able to complete it. It wasn’t really for me, but it was enjoyable.
Nope... I've obviously stubbed my toe, but not anymore than I have in shoes (which is rare). The thing about hiking/trail running in sandals is you learn to become very deliberate with your foot placements. It's a skill I even find myself doing to this day.
B2R is one of those books I wish I could read again for the first time.
I'm very interested in the Mono lunas. I intend to use them mostly in an urban walking everyday environment. You mentioned the wings rubbed and caused blisters. Was this only when used for running or did this also happen when just walking? Likewise, has the clasp ever rubbed on the top of the foot? Im wondering how abrasive these plastic components are in tge strapping system? Reason I ask is that returns in the UK even to a distributor would be hassle. I've considered the Evo C in the Bedrocks as I've heard good things about the strapping system, but am still drawn to the Monos from research I've done.
I've used Luna Monos as casual shoes, around urban areas (NYC, Tokyo, Taipei, LA...) for years. They are wonderful. The wings only cause my feet issues when running and also only if my feet aren't conditioned to running in Lunas. Once my feet, the skin really, toughen up they no longer give me issues.
I've never had irritation from anything else on a Luna, the top strapping clip, or the heel, either casual, hiking or running. It is why I like Luna's strapping design so much. Better materials and stitching make a huge difference.
I like Bedrocks, not as runners, but as casual outdoor shoes. The issue with them though is their strapping. Two areas. The triple joint that sits on top of the foot has ALOT of stitching in it, which often irritated the top of my foot. Never badly but enough that I'd need a band-aid/plaster for comfort at times. The bigger issue is the velcro heel closure though. If you don't get it perfectly aligned the velcro will rub your achilles. Often, even if you close them in alignment, hiking in them will shift them... so you'll still get rubbing. This issue is why I stopped wearing Bedrocks.
Lunas are a simpler design, better materials and I prefer the flexibility of their footbeds by alot. The MGT layer directly under the foot is also fantastic in how it holds onto your foot over many many kms.
Another viewpoint here, I walk long distance in my mono winged and run in them and get no irritation from the rubber wings. I’ve seen others say they used injinji’s or other branded toe socks, if they experienced irritation, and it went away.
Either way, I can run in mine barefoot with no irritation. I have a slim foot, so not sure if this has anything to do with it!
Go get em!
(I got mine from Footworks in Edinburgh, couldn’t see you having any problems sending returns back, they have good online reviews stating that others have done this with no issue)
@that_which_is_not I highly recommend Injinji socks…I run in them full time, no matter the shoe…
It's been a year since you made this video. How are they holding up today? Do you still recommend them? Do you have any clips of you wearing them, or putting them on? I'd like to see an update vid 🙂
I mean, I've worn Lunas for the past 10 years. The worn pairs in this video were already a few years old. No issues with durability at all. All going strong.
Ha, trust me, you don't want to see my toes...maybe I'll do a fit video someday with Injinji socks...no immediate plans though.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for the quick reply 🙂 It's good to know your Lunas are still going strong. And I bet your toes look fine haha
@user89076 Runners toes NEVER look fine. 😂 Ya, no worries on durability on these. I’ve gone years between replacing, average of 3-5 years of use per Luna.
please please please make a adjustment video 🙏🙏
Luna's own channel has some good videos on adjustment...they are a few years old now but still relevant.
Do you experience the heel strap slipping with the retro lacing system? I’m wanting a pair of retro oso Flacos. It seems like LUNAs customer service is trying to talk me into the winged edition though. I think I’m on the same page as you that I’m not looking for something like a teva and that I would like the ultra minimalist lacing system of the retro laces. However I also don’t want to wear the tech strap. It just seems like too much. But will the heel strap stay up without the tech strap or wings?
Honestly, I don't find any difference between the two lacing systems as far as fit and hold. I prefer running in the retro lacing due to the winged posts can cause blisters on the sides of the foot, the retro does not. Both systems offer similar foot hold in my experience and require similar tweaking to get right for your foot (it does take time). I also never use the tech strap
I love sandals the best footwear do you any tips when its raining like split toe socks etc cos i want to wear them all the time
I just wear them in the rain as is. For cold rain, Luna does have a tabi style bootie they sell. For just cold temps... I do use Injinji toe socks, though not that often.
How do you know when to switch to a new pair of Venado sandals? What do you look at to know when it's time to switch them?
It’s like any running shoe. If you are getting odd pains and aches, that you never did before, it’s time to switch. That being said Lunas last a long time. My current Venados are at 532k and perfectly broken in and molded to my foot with plenty more to go. My last pair of Monos lasted about 1200k of hiking and running.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you for your quick reply. I loved this video. I have a pair of venado sandals that are a bit thinner on the outside heel due to my supination and while I don't feel any discomfort, I'm wondering if I need to switch them. The outside, back corner is about half the width of the inside.
@bernieestevez3945 Keep an eye on that. Also I’d email Luna with a photo of the wear. They are very good about giving advice.
I love my xeros, but am looking for something with more cushioning for concrete without sacrificing zero drop.
Either of these would work. The Venados will break in to feel like a much more substantial Xero. The Monos will feel extra thick coming from Xeros.
@@SagasuRunning thank you
How do you run in such vastly different shoes? I run, walk, bike solely in Lunas.
Different training stimulus keep the feet (and legs) healthy. Running in any one shoe, including Lunas, is often a path to injury. Though if I was forced to pick one shoe to run in for the rest of my life... Lunas would likely be it.
Strong feet are healthy feet.
@@SagasuRunning I agree. But that's why you run on different surfaces, both directions on the same side of the road, hills and flats, etc. The problem with traditional shoes is they hold your feet very ridged, like a cast, and therefore don't allow them less ability to strengthen. For example "rolling the ankle" versus no issue in LUNA Sandals.
But if you have strong and developed ankles, from barefoot running and different surfaces, then you don’t really need to worry.
I’m have a long background with barefoot running and many years running/loving 100% in barefoot shoes. I also and a road runner and the reality is wide toe boxes and zero drop shoes are not optimal for everything.
Shoes are tools… picking the right tool for the job is important. Shoes are also tools… for training and racing.
There is a big reason why you see zero elite level road or trail runners running in barefoot shoes or sandals. Sure there are ones here and there, but performance isn’t there. That’s not to say you can race a marathon or an ultra in barefoot shoes or sandals… I have (marathon) but performance is key racing and barefoot/zero drop shoes just don’t have it.
But I love my lunas and I use them as a training tool for sure… and that will never stop.
@@SagasuRunning but you also don't see elite athletes in practice. Also they put in rediculously high mileage. It's like running and being a smoker.
@@LiefRunsFar I'm not sure I follow your analogy. Many elites are very transparent about their training and what they train in. Most are on Strava and you can see what they are doing there or in social media. Sure all elites go into a blackout in important weeks leading up to a A race...but it's still very clear what they are training in and how they are training.
i prefer the strapping on the xero z-trail, because i get bothered by the bit going between my toes
Interesting the strapping on the Xeros give me the same problem. Bedrock’s strapping is maybe my favorite, but those are best for hiking. Maybe I’m just used to Lunas after over 12 years in them.
Great review! How to the strap fair over time as they come in contact with the ground? Can you replace the strap overtime if the sole is still good?
I've honestly never had an wear issues on the straps. On the Mono the strap never touches the ground. On the Venado, one the sandal molds to your foot, it also really doesn't touch the ground. Yes, the strap can be replaced and Luna will help you with that. Like I said though, I've never had issue, and usually wear through the outsole first.
Thank you for the support!
@@SagasuRunning thanks for the reply. That is remarkable that where the strap folds underneath the sandal doesn't wear over time. I like here in the UK and run mainly in the Peak district where most trails are knarly underfoot with rocks. I've used the xero genesis sandals for about 2 years now and the straps are now worn and torn but was looking for a thicker sole upgrade as they are very thin and rocky sections can get somewhat unbearable to run. Really appreciate you doing this video. Happy running!
Xero uses a much thinner midsole and is rather floppy compared to a Luna Venado. I have run in Xero sandals and did have issues breaking the strapping (and pulling the toe plug through the midsole). Again, never has those issues in Lunas.
On the Venado, the strapping does touch the ground early on, until the sandal conforms to your foot, but it never seem to tear for me. I did used to put shoe goo on them… but never alot nor did I ever have to reapply.
Also this really is only and issue on the Venado. The lugged outsole Lunas all recess the strapping. A heavy heel striker of someone with massive over-pronation would probably wear the area over time… but those type of runners aren’t running on barefoot sandals.
The winged versions also completely remove the strapping exposure issue, which I can only assume is part of their design.
@@SagasuRunning thank you plenty! Great sales pitch, I'll be getting a pair. Just love the freedom sandals give you and the durability for the price we pay for footwear these days especially here in the UK ever since we left the EU. #brexit
Thank you so much again for the review and answers. Keep enjoying running!
I hope you enjoy them. Run free!
You should try the new xero h trail. The founder has been working on it for a very long time?
I googled it and watched his video on it. I don’t see how this is any different than a Luna? I don’t care for Xero’s strapping system and their soles are too floppy in my experience. I’ll keep my eye on it though.
Hi,
Thanks for this video - in india these are quite expensive. I was on the verge of picking up a pair of Nike free RN 5.0s (the first edition 3.0s were my absolute favourite). Would you pick these sandals over the 5.0s?
I run just a few kms per week, and my everydair shoe is a pair of Pegasus 38s
Depends on your goal. If you want a lighter and flexible “minimalist” running shoe with lots of ground feel go for the Nike free. But Nike frees are not a barefoot shoe.
If you want to learn to run barefoot or really work on a barefoot running technique… go for the Lunas. If you do go this route… go slow. Your feet and legs will need to adjust coming from a normal 10mm drop running shoe like a Peg.
Decided to go for both - thanks for taking the time, I appreciate it!
Looking forward to learning to run barefoot in the months to come! ✌🏻
@@imranladak3869 Nice. I’d also recommend picking up the book “Born to Run 2”… it’s less a novel and more a manual one how to run barefoot or in minimalist shoes. Tons of drills and a program to help get you start off on the right foot (no pun intended). I can’t recommend it enough!
How would you describe good running form? There seems to be a lot of mixed opinions on foot strike, and I’ve tended to view zero drop or barefoot shoes an appeal to nature and not necessarily better.
Personally I feel a mid/forefoot strike to be “proper” running form. It loads the entire kinetic chain of the foot arch/Achilles/calves optimally.
That being said, personal biomechanics dictate a lot. As long as one isn’t over extending in front of their center of mass, however their body wants their foot to land that will work.
One CAN learn how to change their foot strike ( I did) but one doesn’t HAVE too as long as they aren’t over extending.
Foot strength and leg strength benefit every runner. Running in a minimal shoe definitely builds it. It’s worked for me for nearly 13 years now.
Troy--many podiatrists agree with you that zero drop running likely contributes to injuries, but there is no solid, large-scale evidence either way yet. I mostly midfoot strike, but I will say that studies do show that heel striking is the most energy efficient way to run.
@@imnotlettingyouseemynamethat may be, but heal striking also puts the most force on your entire legs. Hence why runners in traditional shoes are either injured or know an injured runner.
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What’s the difference between MIDDLE BEAR WINGED and OSO FLACO???
The Oso Flaco is very thin and light (7mm/7.2oz) and the Middle Bear (9.4mm/8.2oz), otherwise the same outsole and lugs. It depends on how much ground feel and minimalism you want.
@@SagasuRunning is it an advantage to have feel ground?
In a sandal… it’s about preference and how minimalist you want to me. There is a line of thinking in the huarache sandal/barefoot running world… they having as little material between you and the ground is better. Which is the opposite of the Tarahumara Indians think about running sandals.
For running shoes… it’s a different explanation.
do they run small? I am a 10 in Altras was thinking doing 9.5
I always go up .5 size in Lunas. More to have a little bit more protection in front of the toes. The extra length acts like a toe bumper in some ways. But I could wear the TTS if I wanted. That is just how I've always done it.
I am in Europe and I never see them. We have Teva. Any recommendations?
Check Lunasandals.com I’m sure they have European distribution. Teva doesn’t make anything like this.
Gofreeconcepts had them some time ago, they switched to Shamma sandals some years ago. I don't know Luna but I can recommend Shamma for running.
I Love Lunas! I had knee problems and had to use a cane to walk around for 6 years until I found these. I have all of the models now but prefer mono gordo or mono to run. (Yes, I’m running now). I like oso or middle bear for walking around or on hike hills. Thank you for your excellent review!
@mjarboleda789 Wow. I’m happy they worked for you. They really are excellent. Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
What is the durability on the Mono vs. Venado?
Similar, but different. The Venado has no outsole pattern on it so there is nothing to wear down really. However, the Mono is twice as thick and has an outsole pattern which will wear down eventually. So I’d say you’ll get the same wear out of both, though the Mono Is likely to give you more due to it’s thickness.
You really can’t go wrong with either!
@@SagasuRunningI greatly prefer the Origen since they last twice as long. Between dog walking and running I use my Lunas a good amount.
I need this tell me details
Plenty of details… in the video. 🤙🏻
Tried bedrock?
Yes, great for hiking and general outdoor wear...but too stiff for any serious running. I do like their strapping system too.
You surprised me with this one..
How so?
@@SagasuRunning I though you like the technology in the footwear.. This is stone age technology.. 👍🏻
@@i.p2088 haha. True. But Luna has something special and their tech is very modern. These are a very nice balance to all the superfoams and carbon fiber tech other there.
Don’t worry… plenty more tech coming. 👍🏻
Should say….”Often imitated, never duplicated”
Copied = imitated... but yes...
@@SagasuRunning Oh I meant the title of the video. Often Imitated, Never Duplicated sounds better than Often Imitated, Never Bettered. Not regarding your speaking. You speak very well. 😎
@xxxLoneWolfxvx I was trying to be nice with the title… many have tried.
Way overpriced for what they are. Why should I buy a minimalist sandal that's as expensive as last year's top high-stack super cushioned running shoe? I am aware of the benefits but the prices of basically all the minimalist sandals are ridiculous.
They are worth the investment. I've had pairs of these last years at a time. Though Luna does sell a DIY kit that is considerably cheaper.
Worth the $ because they last WAY longer than shoes. I go through 12 pairs of Altras per year vs. 1 pair of Luna sandals.
I understand your concern but I've heard this logic error many times. "If they're so expensive, at least there should be enough material or technology in them". People confuse price with value.
With the big brand shoe manufacturers, you're paying mainly for marketing, a bit of cult and style and, yes, a bit for technology and innovation. Sandals are made by hand. And we already have the best technology for running built in from birth.
Shamma sandals better
Sounds like a personal preference. However Ted did it better MANY years prior. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning yea. I’m just being cheeky because of the video title; couldn’t resist.
@@thepatternforms859 carry on then… 🙌🏻
ANY style for wider style feet as the buckle in the back were killing me?
You know. I’ve never once even considered this was a problem. I’ve never heard anyone in the barefoot community saying huarache sandals were not wide enough.
It’s not as simple as going up a size as the outsole would be too floppy. There are different strapping options though.
I’d email Luna and ask what they recommend.
Sorry I have nothing else to offer.