@@metagross9092 It's even worse. One of the loading texts in GH2 is something like 'Now with improved HOPOs!'. They're not lying. They're completely fucked in GH1. In GH2 you have to not only consider the tiny hit window, but after you hit the note before the first hopo, you can't even press down any fret without breaking the hopo combo. That sucks. Anchoring is basically impossible with hopos in the first two games. GH3, on the other hand, is so much better than the first two in terms of technology.
*Also worth noting for the intro:* Guitar Hero 2 has a bug known as the "strumming limit": The game is incapable of registering all strums if you strum over a certain speed (roughly 15.5 NPS). This bug is what causes the strumming solo of this song to be so difficult since it's hard to coordinate precise strumming speed in groups of two notes, especially alongside HOPOs. It also causes one song - "Trogdor" - to be more or less unFCable on the North American version of the game. In Europe, the limit is raised as a consequence of PAL conversion, so songs like this and "Trogdor" are easier - though still hard - on the EU version.
@@kelleroid No, it isnt. It's simply a number that is based off the video format (thus the difference between PAL and NAT versions). An oversight is me coding in a health potion that you have to jump to but forgetting I put a limit on that area that you cannot jump. A bug is me coding in a health potion but due to an error it spawns outside the map. Note that the NPS cap issue also happens in RB with Green Grass and High Tides. It's simply Harmonix style of programming and not paying attention to the NPS they place in the games.
The timing in this game should be the default for any of the the guitar heroes, the amount of time you get in the later games and clone hero is just fucking ridiculous, you don't need that much to hit a note in a rhythm game.
I’m making it a goal to get better by trying to play GH2 more for content and streams, so I figured people would wanna know why GH2 is so hard, while still playing Clone Hero for fun
My favorite line of scripture: Acailations 69:420 "And as He came down from the heavens to bestow his spirit on the plastic guitar boi, he hath said "I got'chu homie"
There's something extremely satisfying about playing GH2/RB, the tight engines just make you appreciate your accomplishments more. I really hope PNH has some kind of "mode" for this kind of thing.
Yeah, I really want them to have an engine modifier akin to what FoFiX had, but with an indicator on the screen so you can tell whether it's being used and an engine that isn't just performance mode more or less.
@@gamingfreak3 I would assume it modifies the stats you receive for the run itself if it were to be implemented. Judging by Blog #3 at least, since the game will have a replay-function, it'll be really easy to tell whether or not a run was illegitimate
I'm legitimately curious if a mode where the song charter would be able to define the valid hit space on a per note basis (so they could lay back on crazy solos, but more technical rhythmic sections could be tightened up) with visible hitboxes throughout the whole song would make sense or be too finicky for it to be useful...
My friends and I bought matching guitar hero bundles because your channel renewed our love for the game. However the newest guitar hero doesn’t have online so that was a couple wasted purchases. But keep up the good content!
I remember this being my first big boy FC after Raining Blood, got it like 40 min after first playing GH2 and it's arguably the biggest fluke of my GH "career". Good job, any GH2 FC is a pain in the ass to get lol.
I wish it was easy to get customs in GH2. I prefer the engine but CH is just so much better for customs. Always glad to see GH2 on here though. You even played as Judy Nails!
@Ps3Harrison That's a good idea but there are other things about that game that I dislike enough to not play it. I tried already. I might just get into learning how to add stuff to GH2.
god damn, this is impressive. i've always found the gh2 engine extremely fun to play on, despite the difficulty, and i've only ever gotten 2 fcs on it. granted they were radium eyes and parasite, but they're still fcs lol
I didn't realize this song was so hard to FC on GH2. I mean, I had many 99% on this and I got even a -2 (or -3) once. I do not have that much of dexterity in my left hand though but I guess I'm just really precise instead. Congratulation on that FC !
I heard it was a creative decision to use covers because originally they wanted the game to have a serious story about a band rising to fame and that doesn't make much sense when you have a different sounding vocalist for every song. As a story it makes more sense having the same band play every song but people don't really play the game for that so they changed direction later on.
It's funny how accustomed we become to the more forgiving engines. I remember this being the only 8th tier song I could FC back in the day (I think this was before Guitar Hero 3 came out?) . You're infinitely better than I ever was, but I definitely had the strum timing down back then.
What's the actual timing window in time? Like, how many milliseconds ahead or behind a note could I strum and still have it count? I looked up and got answers of about 80 milliseconds of windows width, but I'd like to get this confirmed (mainly because I play stepmania and want to have a good comparison).
The only songs I've EVER been able to FC in GH2 are Message In A Bottle and Shout At The Devil lmao good shit doing what none of us could ever do. More power to you man 💙
Bro I love this song I just started playing guitar hero/clone hero, and I decided to play easy for an hour, then medium, then went straight to expert. Took me like 2 days but I finally got above 89% on this shit was hard
With GH2 being the first GH I played, and then seeing you hit notes on Clone Hero that are way off what I would consider the mark, I kinda figured the window for hitting notes in GH2 was smaller. Thanks for confirming what I thought before with that bit at the beginning.
This came on my feed today: This brings a lot of memories. One specifically of my fc on monkey wrench with ghost mode enabled. I remember practicing for months to get that lol.
GH2 is my favorite, it brings back so many memories, it was my first GH and I was 6 years old and my whole family played it was great. My dad had to help me beat free bird on medium. Never got to expert on this one. But by GH3 I was getting 5 stars on expert. Wish I could play this one again
This was my first “good” fc back in like… 2007? 2008? I remember I finally got it super late at night and that feeling of elation just knowing that a bunch of strangers would glaze you in your scorehero achievement thread was like nothing else to 14 year old me.
I haven't played a Hero game in a good 8 or 9 years so this channel is about the only thing that still connects me to them, but going off what I've seen of Alec playing Clone Hero, the hitbox in this one is a fucking razor's edge. Makes it look like he missed a good 30% of the notes.
Hey bro nice for giving props to the difficulty of gh2 fcs - good luck with trogdor if you haven't gotten it already, might wanna get swapmagic to do it in PAL on ps2
you got the FC so quickly as well, gg fam
thank you for the power King Prez
A real OG
JPrez44 omg real jprez
Prez Pog
What does FC stand for?
Seeing him miss a note he would normally hit on clone hero is a very disturbing thing to see
GH2 feels almost like pure RNG sometimes.
ye gh2 was hot grbage
@@jojivlogs_4255 where does the first Guitar Hero sit?
@@metagross9092 It's even worse. One of the loading texts in GH2 is something like 'Now with improved HOPOs!'. They're not lying. They're completely fucked in GH1. In GH2 you have to not only consider the tiny hit window, but after you hit the note before the first hopo, you can't even press down any fret without breaking the hopo combo. That sucks. Anchoring is basically impossible with hopos in the first two games.
GH3, on the other hand, is so much better than the first two in terms of technology.
TheBcoolGuy it's got better tech overall, but I think GH2's charts are better
Brown man works to FC one song for longer than the age of the average Fortnite player.
t o a s t e d
That’s only because the -100 year olds bring the average down :(
@Epsy _ I'm sorry but yes that's s roast he did there
@@malcolmslade4796 i guess i roasted myself but at the same time i only ever play if my friends beg me to
Damn, Ray plays Guitar Hero?
*Also worth noting for the intro:* Guitar Hero 2 has a bug known as the "strumming limit": The game is incapable of registering all strums if you strum over a certain speed (roughly 15.5 NPS). This bug is what causes the strumming solo of this song to be so difficult since it's hard to coordinate precise strumming speed in groups of two notes, especially alongside HOPOs. It also causes one song - "Trogdor" - to be more or less unFCable on the North American version of the game. In Europe, the limit is raised as a consequence of PAL conversion, so songs like this and "Trogdor" are easier - though still hard - on the EU version.
Also worth noting, it isnt a bug, just an oversight in the programming.
The american version is ACTUALLY impossible, even TASed. The PAL version is NEARLY impossible.
@@Luckingsworth that's what a bug is
@@kelleroid No, it isnt. It's simply a number that is based off the video format (thus the difference between PAL and NAT versions). An oversight is me coding in a health potion that you have to jump to but forgetting I put a limit on that area that you cannot jump. A bug is me coding in a health potion but due to an error it spawns outside the map.
Note that the NPS cap issue also happens in RB with Green Grass and High Tides. It's simply Harmonix style of programming and not paying attention to the NPS they place in the games.
@@Luckingsworth including a song that's literally impossible to FC due to a programming or design oversight makes it a bug.
I'm glad you put that little bit of info at the beginning for the new kids, who'd have absolutely no idea why this game is so difficult
The timing in this game should be the default for any of the the guitar heroes, the amount of time you get in the later games and clone hero is just fucking ridiculous, you don't need that much to hit a note in a rhythm game.
I’m making it a goal to get better by trying to play GH2 more for content and streams, so I figured people would wanna know why GH2 is so hard, while still playing Clone Hero for fun
The Dragon Loli I think it’d be neat if adjustable timing was introduced in Clone Hero, if it hasn’t been implemented already.
If you think GH2 had bad timing windows, try GH1
@@destructionman1 it just had broken hammer-ons ..
My favorite line of scripture:
Acailations 69:420
"And as He came down from the heavens to bestow his spirit on the plastic guitar boi, he hath said "I got'chu homie"
Amen.
Amen.
Amen
Amen.
Amen.
because of you I went through 6 bins of shit to find my 360 and set it up today. rediscovered not only GH but ultimate alliance..see y’all in 2020 😤
j elle see ya next year!
If you’re talking about marvel ultimate alliance they’re making a third one but it’s switch exclusive.
Kal I had a minor existential crisis after I typed that and realized 2020 is next year, jfc I’m old
BenPaz fuckkkkkkkkk whyyyyy my moneyyyyy
UA IS THE BEST
0:30 Before and after the 10 year challenge
You won't reply
@@cyborgboi he won't indeedy
Very early.
Tf you again
Dear Justin: maybe one day would you get the courage to reply to ur followers only in time will we know. -Levi
I forgot how fucking scuffed this version of Beast and the Harlot sounded.
Yeah this version sounds like a punk song
If I remember correctly all songs from GH1 and GH2 were shitty re-recordings
I think Laid to Rest takes the cake for godawful covers though
I heard the beginning without knowing the song and I was thinking "why does this sound like a scuffed Beast and the Harlot"
@@DudeWhoLikesCock the way he turned like a fuckin robot is great
There's something extremely satisfying about playing GH2/RB, the tight engines just make you appreciate your accomplishments more. I really hope PNH has some kind of "mode" for this kind of thing.
same honestly
Gh2 mode is honestly the feature I would be most excited for.
Yeah, I really want them to have an engine modifier akin to what FoFiX had, but with an indicator on the screen so you can tell whether it's being used and an engine that isn't just performance mode more or less.
@@gamingfreak3 I would assume it modifies the stats you receive for the run itself if it were to be implemented. Judging by Blog #3 at least, since the game will have a replay-function, it'll be really easy to tell whether or not a run was illegitimate
I'm legitimately curious if a mode where the song charter would be able to define the valid hit space on a per note basis (so they could lay back on crazy solos, but more technical rhythmic sections could be tightened up) with visible hitboxes throughout the whole song would make sense or be too finicky for it to be useful...
My friends and I bought matching guitar hero bundles because your channel renewed our love for the game. However the newest guitar hero doesn’t have online so that was a couple wasted purchases. But keep up the good content!
Rip
I remember this being my first big boy FC after Raining Blood, got it like 40 min after first playing GH2 and it's arguably the biggest fluke of my GH "career". Good job, any GH2 FC is a pain in the ass to get lol.
How is that even possible? I got the solo in practice after many attempts, and way more time, but getting it in a run is so much more insane.
It only took me 11 years to learn how mafia works.
The 2005 in all of us are smiling :)
This wasnt out in 2005 bro
@@jamitiljander the album the song is from (City of Evil) was released in 2005
On the real though, I've been watching you for ages now. I'm forever thankful you told me about the 360 adapter for PC. Keep killing FCs my dude.
Jesus: "I got chu homie"
Also so early you get *360p*
Authentic experience
Indeed.
The only way to properly watch GH2 FCs is in 360p
Don't even play guitar, GH, or its variants, but god does this video make me want to
yo fuckin same, i've been chasing a controller since I started watching Acai like 2 months ago
#clonehero
@@thealchemistplays...8905 best place to look is pawn shops, if the whammy bar is fucked, buy a couple hair ties or use elastics.
The Guitar Hero version of Beast and the Harlot is ass, look up the original. A7X is fuckin' dope
I understand not wanting to explain the strum limit since you could write a dissertation on that lol. Well done!
NunoVH yeah for real. I need to sit down improve on how to explain things like everyone is 5 years old
nice FC, but can you do Free Bird by Lynyrd Skynyrd?
yeah we got freebird first try right after this, i can upload that later
@@acai28 dude hype. Also GH3 bonus track "The Way It Ends by Prototype" would be hype to watch you play that chart fam
@@acai28 You should have missed in solo S for nostalgia.
@@acai28 it would be nice.
my god... that song broke my spirit for 8 years
All I can think of is that stupid club penguin video when I hear this song lmao
The only appropriate video for this song
2:04 im telling the pope that you swore
This cover is so bad, how did I never notice? xD
I mean the original is also so bad
@@christofferuden7680 wrong
@@christofferuden7680 wtf lol
@@christofferuden7680 wow you're so edgy I'm already bleeding 👌
Yikes my dude, edges like that are dangerous.
Easiest FC in the universe
Jk bro good job
he’s lying GH2 is basically the same engine
man why u gotta expose me like that
@@acai28 you just got fuckin served
@@acai28 lollllz
Acai
Be honest dude, GH2 is easy. GH3 is the hardest one in the series.
Basically doesnt mean compatable
I wish it was easy to get customs in GH2. I prefer the engine but CH is just so much better for customs. Always glad to see GH2 on here though. You even played as Judy Nails!
@Ps3Harrison That's a good idea but there are other things about that game that I dislike enough to not play it. I tried already. I might just get into learning how to add stuff to GH2.
Your channel has been exploding recently man keep up the good work :)
congrats on gitting gud!
When's the live performance for AAAAAAAA after that amazing performance at redoctane club?
He done did the git gud game
Git Gud gamers smh
kremit the frog I love you.
Bro, why do you comment on every video I watch?!
Dominick Keeling your obviously not talking to me right
Play more Gh2!
I'd love to see more of these older games!
Danny Q Right! I’ve been playing 2 & 3 on the ps2 lately
@@naunalmendares9891 ~Nostalgia~
Agreed!
@@naunalmendares9891 same
As someone who played GH2 on launch, this is insane.
It only took a solid century for my dad to come back home
f in the chat
F in the cat
He didint did he?
f in the bat
@@mattiasantacroce7127 Fuck the cat
Wow, this brings me back. I remember grinding for this FC so many years ago. Behind annoying but so good when you finally hit it. Grats man.
I haven’t played guitar hero in at least 10 years but these videos are unbelievable had to sub
0:03 “i wanna briefly explain, *asbestos* i can”
this was my first time watching the gfuel hero man live on twitch, i'll take full credit for the FC
I always remember how the guy singing this was struggling at the end to hit M. Shadow's notes. Hahaha. 6:55 kills me.
There is a God and he is up there and he is looking at me going, “I got you, homie.”
god damn, this is impressive. i've always found the gh2 engine extremely fun to play on, despite the difficulty, and i've only ever gotten 2 fcs on it. granted they were radium eyes and parasite, but they're still fcs lol
Sick fc acai!!!!!
But holy frick this version sounds so bad lmao
I can't not think of JP's club penguin amv when i hear this song
proud of u
I didn't realize this song was so hard to FC on GH2. I mean, I had many 99% on this and I got even a -2 (or -3) once. I do not have that much of dexterity in my left hand though but I guess I'm just really precise instead.
Congratulation on that FC !
I feel like his fingers will fall of at some point.
Just started playing GH2 again and holy cow it's so much harder. Mad props bro, gg!
thanks to Acai, whenever I hear this song I think of club penguin
Nice to see you new hotshots going back to the originals and still having to work for it a little bit. :P Congrats!
-Cdw01, an ancient ScoreHero mod
Wow this sounds like some hot garbage
Congratulations on the FC tho!
Cuz back then they didn't wanna buy licenses for songs, so they made covers
@@BrunoSuicida I had a feeling that's why, and thanks for the like alec!
I heard it was a creative decision to use covers because originally they wanted the game to have a serious story about a band rising to fame and that doesn't make much sense when you have a different sounding vocalist for every song. As a story it makes more sense having the same band play every song but people don't really play the game for that so they changed direction later on.
@@ElaborateTiger What's the name of the song tho? it sounds dope
“Perfect performance from AAAAAAAA”
😂😂 congrats on the FC though, Alec
If only the cover was good too
luv ur charts boo. xx
This video makes me wanna go back to the good ol days when I was like 10 and sit in my dark room playing this game.
It's funny how accustomed we become to the more forgiving engines. I remember this being the only 8th tier song I could FC back in the day (I think this was before Guitar Hero 3 came out?) . You're infinitely better than I ever was, but I definitely had the strum timing down back then.
That hit window screenshot was very helpful. I knew GH2 was bad but not THAT bad. Nice FC bark bark
Brown man acquires the nostalgic POG
I love how you have such a niche old Chon-track at the start of the vid! Respect my man
What's the actual timing window in time? Like, how many milliseconds ahead or behind a note could I strum and still have it count? I looked up and got answers of about 80 milliseconds of windows width, but I'd like to get this confirmed (mainly because I play stepmania and want to have a good comparison).
Hell yeah, dude! I have like, no knowledge about anything you do but I'll damned if I'm not impressed and proud.
Ayyyy congrats boi
Man, well done. I honestly don't remember if I FCed this back in the day, but I don't think so. Tough track.
You know what that librarian said to the kids?
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Didn't catch me but good one
Read more button no work
The only songs I've EVER been able to FC in GH2 are Message In A Bottle and Shout At The Devil lmao good shit doing what none of us could ever do. More power to you man 💙
weird flex but-
_i am aware this meme is dead_
I forgot how bad this song sounded in GH2 Jesus Christ
It's really hard to enjoy this FC with this Kidz Bop cover. 🤢🤢
Still, at least you won't have to worry about a copyright claim...
...right?
This cover is better than the original because A7X is trash at playing (decent writers tho)
@@Luckingsworth lol, no
@@Luckingsworth nice bait
Bro I love this song I just started playing guitar hero/clone hero, and I decided to play easy for an hour, then medium, then went straight to expert. Took me like 2 days but I finally got above 89% on this shit was hard
what a good way to ruin a song tho
Been following since 10K subs, crazy to see how you’ve grown dude
This cover is so bad, it makes A7X actually sound like a good band.
紅Takato what makes them bad lol, they have one of the best modern guitarists in the world rn lol
Zetrek Gates is an overrated guitarist, the lyrics and vocals and cliched and cringey, their sound is tired and boring, etc.
Trollololololol
I've played lots of GH2 so everytime i saw those intense strumming notes and shit it all feels just so close
Good job dude super dope
Play running in the 90s please *_HEART ME_*
"Perfect performance from AAAAAAAAA af Redoctane Club"
God i wish i was AAAAAAAAA. (Good job on the FC! :)
That is the quickest known fc. 11 years? Really? So quick..!
GG Alec. Proud o' you man
GL for the FSFC, I miss the times where this was "the ultimate achievement", sort of. Nowadays no one would think of going for it because CH is there
1:54 “that hurts like a buttcheeck on a stik”
you heckin' madlad. Love you and keep up dat sicko mode work!
“Perfect performance from AAAAAAAA at RedOctane Club”
With GH2 being the first GH I played, and then seeing you hit notes on Clone Hero that are way off what I would consider the mark, I kinda figured the window for hitting notes in GH2 was smaller. Thanks for confirming what I thought before with that bit at the beginning.
This came on my feed today:
This brings a lot of memories. One specifically of my fc on monkey wrench with ghost mode enabled. I remember practicing for months to get that lol.
"Beast and the Harlot"
*gets PTSD flashbacks of the hours I wasted trying to FC this on RB3 drums*
12k away from 700k subscribers. Holy shit buddy. What a journey so far. Much love.
GH2 is my favorite, it brings back so many memories, it was my first GH and I was 6 years old and my whole family played it was great. My dad had to help me beat free bird on medium. Never got to expert on this one. But by GH3 I was getting 5 stars on expert. Wish I could play this one again
i wanna see more of these! I must know your growth of fc's on all the games!
after hearing that explanation about the notes in guitar hero and clone hero i now feel extremely more proud of my scores in guitar hero
Activating star power in this game looks like a combo breaking and if fucks with me every time
Acai: hits one of the hardest sections in the game
Also Acai: yes
Would love to watch you grind all FCs that are left
That’s my plan
Didn’t notice how different GH2 was from clone hero until now, explains why FCing anything when I was a kid felt like winning the olympics
Good job. That song is a massive wall on controller, and you just go ahead and FC
brown man looked like he was literally shaking and crying
This was my first “good” fc back in like… 2007? 2008? I remember I finally got it super late at night and that feeling of elation just knowing that a bunch of strangers would glaze you in your scorehero achievement thread was like nothing else to 14 year old me.
Good effort dude, congrats!
I haven't played a Hero game in a good 8 or 9 years so this channel is about the only thing that still connects me to them, but going off what I've seen of Alec playing Clone Hero, the hitbox in this one is a fucking razor's edge. Makes it look like he missed a good 30% of the notes.
This made me have so much more respect for Jordan FCs on GH2 because I didn't know just how small the hit window is! 😱
The beast and the harlot is the only reason I beat gh2 and now i love the game
You got my fingers to flick the way I had never imagined. I'm here to watch the content Acai
I don't even play GH yet this came up as my recommended video. I must say I'm not disappointed at all; satisfying watching a perfect run wew!
This whole time I had no idea there was that much more time to hit notes in the one you play. You kinda like exposed yourself hombre 😂 respect
Thanks for sharing Acai, very cool!
Hey bro nice for giving props to the difficulty of gh2 fcs - good luck with trogdor if you haven't gotten it already, might wanna get swapmagic to do it in PAL on ps2