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Every Watercooled PC Needs This
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2020
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this is why I love this channel
D5 next by aqua computer, a pump with a temp sensor and fan controller build in. Great software and the fan curve is stored on the pump and is thus not dependent on your OS to function as expected.
thanks for the tip!
Their new flowmeter also has this and it might actually fit in an SFF pc.
I personally recommend using the Quadro by Aquacomputer instead, so you get to use your choice of pump. Also entirely independent from OS and features all the bells and whistles for $50~
@@whiskey4893 Yeah I think both of them have their place. Personally I didn't need a Quadro and I had plenty of space for a D5 so it was nice to have it all build in to one unit.
@@whiskey4893 NO pump better than a D5 :) the only problem is space, the D5 next is pretty big.
Pretty smart and cheap addition to a custom loop. Nice video!
Love these types of videos! Small accessories or tips that have a huge impact on your system.
You inspired me to build my first ITX rig this year, thanks for the consistently impressive content you really push the boundaries with how clean these builds are
I second this. He's the best resource for the SFF community.
I third this, just built my first ITX build in the ncase m1 thanks to this channel
What specs? I’m interested in maybe building one within the next few years and just wanna know what people use
This is a great tip, been doing it for years. Also if you want a cheaper and even more compact solution you can use a Flat Wire Temperature Sensor and slide it in-between the radiator fins. Just make sure it's not directly in the path of a fan so you get a nice consistent reading. Works a treat.
I’m so happy you put this video out been looking for something like this! Thanks
Ali, thank you for sharing this finding. I am impressed by how you always find ways to keep your machines running as efficiently as possible. (:
Thank you for informing me about this product. I've added it to the parts list for my next build. 🤓
True, I got one of these when I built my custom loop and it was SUPER helpful for setting fan curves. Can't really imagine building a computer without it now.
If you use a flow sensor and 2 temp sensors, before and after your radiator(s): you could calculate the dissipated heat by the radiator(s). If you have more than one radiator, It is important there isn't a CPU or GPU between them.
Q = M x C x Delta T
Q: rate of heat transfer
M: mass flow rate
C: specific heat of water
Delta T: fluid temp in minus fluid temp out of the radiator(s)
Edit: But it is important to have accurate measurements! If your temp sensors have 1°C or 0,1°C accuracy makes a big differance in the calculations!
why would you ever want to know this?
@@noahkristoffersen6710 To know how much heat is dissipated in the room by the watercooling.
This was such a nice vid, I’m always impressed with the quality and simplicity of the shots and info, for channel this (relatively) small!
I can really recommend Argus as a thermal monitor solution for the loop, as it's so flexible and can take multiple inputs as well as being rock stable
I built my first water loop like 3 years ago, and since then my fans are controlled by coolant temp not parts temp. Glad that you realized lately and showing the coolant temp in your graphs nowadays as well.
I did exactly the same a few month ago on my Strix Z370-I. Couldn't be happier with the results!
love the content bro.. keep smashing it! :)
Thank you for the tip !
Gonna modify my loop with this once I get my sleeved cable set.
Thanks Ali, ordered one for the custom loop I'm building in the Ncase right now
This is just the video I’m looking for! I’m currently planning a no-compromises 2x radiator NR200 build, with the goal of doing overclocking with the 450W FTW3 vBIOS. With something putting out that much heat, taming thermals will be a big factor.
Thank you making this video. Looking at pictures on the net vs you explaining with video is so much more helpful. Appreciate your informative video.
Thanks, I've been struggling with tuning the fan curves on my new water cooled build and this seems to be the answer.
I was looking for a better way of doing this so thanks!
yo, this is exactly the video I've been looking for!
Thanks for this video! I have always been annoyed when the fans quickly ramp up and down, but for some reson I never thought about controlling them by the water temperature. Unfortunately my mainboard does not seem to have an input for a temperature sensor. So I might create my own little controller with a OLED screen and maybe some custom aRGB controlls built into it.
Awesome - gives me the confidence to pull the trigger on one of these
Temperature probe header was the only feature I was looking for when buying my mobo, ended up with an Asus Z370 I :)
I like you style running the coolant at 50c, that is way closer to the maximum recommended coolant temps then I dare :) cooling efficiency and transfer is better with higher coolant temps but leakage scares me, running my coolant at 40c max :)
Thanks for the vid!
Thank you for the idea man!!
I have an air cooling set up that I basically use the same premise as measuring the air temperature versus the CPU or GPU temperature and it has made my fans perform a lot better and more efficiently.
I just built with an EK AIO and was looking for a function like this.
It's definitely the most logical way to control the fan curve, when I save enough for a custom loop I'll get one for sure.
This makes so much more sense for the termpature curve than the die temps. Especially with a 360 rad it takes minutes for the water to heat up meaningfully, so this would enable me to have much more aggressive curves without having them ramp up because I turned on stockfish to check a move while analyzing chess... Shame it doesn't work on AIO as I just completed a build with a 360 AIO, this might actually push me to to go custom loop next time. Thanks for the video!
This usually overlooked but a very important piece of hardware for water cooling. I used a g1/4 plug sensor on the back of my gpu and it helped a lot w fluctuating fan noise.
I actually mountet an t-sensor on my aio, and setted it up just like you. It works like a charm.
You should have a look at the stuff from Aquacomputer, they are pioneers in this sort of thing. I have a 10 year old aquastream Ultra that I just updated to Ultimate with a replacement I/O - granted it isn’t made for SFF, but they also make a killer D5 called the “next”.
All of my fans are powered through the pump and controlled by the aquasuite which makes it possible to use preconfigured controlstrategies as well as setting up a PID.
You get information about flow, temps, fan speed and anything else you’d like.
I also have a tempsensor from them that is smaller than the one from alphacool you showed in this video.
Damn I almost sound like a salesman... but their products are so dope!
Daniel from Singularity computers has been saying for years to base your fan curves on the coolant temperature since it’s the coolant your cooling, not the hardware. Glad to see your sharing this as well.
I've been on YT since its beginning in 2005. I watch YT a lot and ur the only creator that gets my thumb up before even watching the video. Peace bro!
So... you made one account in 2005 then lost it/discarded it, then made another account in 2007... that's some consistency 😳
Appears that there aren't too many people that watch this type of content, but man are they active. Happy holidays lads.
@Optimum Tech
Next step: Mo-Ra3 with QDC fittings. Good tutorial how to have 30C coolant temperature no matter what :D
Brilliant. Although I have Temperature sensors in my loop stupidly I never thought of setting the fan curve from the coolant temp 🤦 I will be digging through my arous master bios now!
Thank you so much I've been trying to figure this out for years but wasn't sure what hardware or software could read the sensor.
This is amazing insight!
Great video, love the concept of using the Coolant Temp to regulate the system...!
LOL, I got the notification for the new video while I was almost done watching the actual video...!
What BIOS are you running for your C8I, and will you be getting a Bitspower monoblock for it...?!?
Me, who doesnt watercool his PC cause there's no space for radiators:
*"Hmm, interesting!"*
me who doesnt watercool my pc because i dont have a tower pc
Me, who’s latest gaming pc was an AMD Opteron with 512MB RAM and a GF4 4200, whereafter I got a Mac and mostly haven’t looked back.
“Hmm, interesting”
🤣
Also there's no point in water cooling mid-tier components xD
Have you ever thought about external watercooling?
Me, who only has a laptop:
You should definitely Look into the Aquareo Quadro - a fan / pump and temp sensor control board that allows you to set up fantastic fan curves depending on coolant temperature.
I use Aquacomputer's tiny Quadro board to control my fans and plug in my temperature sensors. It's a fantastic piece of kit that doesn't take up much space in my SFF case. The accompanying Aquasuite software lets me graph all of the fan curves and sensor output (including hwinfo data) as an overlay on my desktop. Can't recommend their stuff enough.
Nice loop, I'm building an ITX system as well but the M1(sadly) is not easy to obtain in the EU atm so I diverted to Sliger. They have a new line of cases (S620 & S610) that seem very competitive with the M1.
My test bench uses a Phobya inline temperature sensor and my main rig uses 2 x G1/4 Barrow plug temperature sensors. Both systems run Corsair Commander Pro's (main system has 2) which I use to build the fan curves using coolant temperature as the source. As you said in the video - a no-brainer.
PS. Here's what I did for a 2nd PC for my son (for the resurrected Diablo 1) which didn't need to be al that powerful but it does have an i7-930 cooled by a Corsair H80i V2, 12GB RAM & a GTX 960. I bought a reasonably priced Siilverstone CP04 PWM fan hub and hooked the sensor wire to the cooler's 4-pin fan header. All fans (including the push-pull fans on the H80i) connect via the fan hub and thus, all fans (PWM based) ramp based on coolant temperature.
Amazing, I'm using similar ones in my build but take care to not let the coolant over 60 degrees(in Celsius) because some sealings can start leak in that temperature. If I know right the best if you keep your coolant around 40 degree celsius.
I'd recommend the Quadro if you can find space for it, the software is superb and the controller is excellent.
I was wondering why it took you so long to recognize those as a big benefit for your cooling. But Spinning the Pump faster when the water temp rises will let the coolant temp rise even higher.
Low pump speed = lower water temps but higher cpu / gpu temps and high pump speed = higher water temps but lower gpu / cpu temps. that leads to even higher fan speeds if curve is too aggressive.
Keep up your great videos.
If you’re using AI Suite 3 and you find fan spin up noise troubling enough to buy a temp sensor for your coolant you should set the ‘fan spin up time’ to like 12 seconds. This changes the fan curve from immediately matching the position it should be in the curve, to respond to this change over 12 seconds.
From a control theory point of view this is definitely the way to go if you want to smooth out your fan speeds. Big like on this one.
Now you should try the temp sensor with an aquacomputer quadro.. You can set it to hold a target water temp using it's built in PID control scheme support, and it's standalone so you can just set it and never have to run software for it again until you want to change the settings. End result is a system that will hold the same load temps regardless of room temp and use as little fan speed as possible to do that at all times. You can also set the fan start speed so you never have to hear the fans burst to 100% on power on regardless of motherboard choice.
you should look into "speedfan" its a lovely little tool that allows you to controle both based on the combined temp of either cpu or GPU.
in my setup ive made two loops(and two pumps) but fans are controlled by both GPU/CPU - so if cooling is needed the fans ramps up.
Pumps are controlled by input of either GPU or CPU in relation to their respective pumps. its quite need and very silent.
Argus monitor can combine any kinda of CPU + GPU temps or water temp sensors and can combine and average over 10 or 15 seconds on custom curves even if bios does not support it. In the case the operating system does crash or something, the bios will take over and fans will spin at 100%. Works great for me on dual loop WC Rig and the monitoring is fantastic too.
Yep, coolant temp +
Aquaero were the best things I ever added to my water-cooled builds!
This would be great if I could get my hands on a gpu.
tks for tips!!! Love you dude.. =)
Amazing video, will change everything.
Finally someone adressing the coolant temperature. Thank you very much!!! IMO coolant temperature (with consideration of ambient temperature) ist THE indicator for the performance of a certain watercooling setup. Making the fan RPM depending on the coolant temperature is only logical .
If I remember correctly speedfan will allow you to set two separate fan curves for cpu and gpu. If you look up how to set up the program it shoudn't be too hard but it can do a lot once you learn.
Awesome video thank you!
Can you make a review for Jonsbo A4. Really deserves a review.
Huge fan! Would love to see the thermals of a vertical 3080 FE in an nr200P with the tempered glass
It would naturally be pathetic
huge fan? what your RPM
I only see 120s in this video, not that huge
"Would love to see the worst thermal setup possible"
@@xiNinjaHD nice
If you don't want to do a custom loop, some Corsair AIO plug into the usb header and control fan curves and pump speed based on coolant temp from their Corsair Link program.
you should look at hooking up an Aqua computer Octo/Quadro with aqua suite. just built my first custom loop with a dual rad in the M1 with this. You can control fans, pump speeds and RGB lighting. There are multiple temp and flow sensors, best of all, once its set up, you don't need to have the software running, its all done in the unit. I need to get my fan curves set up properly, but I'm holding off until I move.
Loving your vids mate (and in particular this one). About to embark on my first custom loop (slightly daunting but excited nonetheless).
This sensor seems bloody brilliant, but I can't seem to find any from an Aus stockist? And pointers on where to get one?
In line G1/4 seems the way to as it's easily adaptable and hidden.
I have an inline version from another company, its located just after water outlet port in the pump. water never goes above 23c. room temps 66-73. seen the water as low as 19c. just nice to know how cool the water is.
Just a heads up, the amazon link links to a plug and not the inline fitting shown in the video. It appears that the inline fitting version he used is not available on amazon currently. The only place I was able to find the black model on was aquatuning, but the shipping costs $50.
If you want to search for it yourself, this is the proper search term:
Alphacool Eiszapfen temperature sensor G1/4 IG/IG with AG adapter
Great setup. Which BIOS are you using for your Impact ?
I've been waiting for this video
In the first 30 seconds you basically explained why I'm here exactly. Great Video.
I just ordered an Aquacomputer Quadro, since my board doesn't have a temperature header. Important feature of the Quadro: you don't have to have Aquacomputer's software running continuously -- it's just there to configure the controller. This means that if you dual-boot a non-Windows OS, it will remember the fan setup that you configured in Windows.
Great vid. Never occurred to control fans like this, sadly my Gigabyte X570 ITX board doesn't have the connectors for the sensor. What's the best option if you don't have a motherboard that allows a sensor to be connected?
im using ek-connect. u can plug in temp sensors, pump, fans, etc.
Well done, I will go smallish on my next build like you. It will have a Sub Zero Water Chiller. The money you save on fans and radiators will more or less cover the cost of a 1/10hp, Sub Zero Water Chiller. The wattage used for the chiller is only 40 to 80 watts per hour. Now if I could only get ahold of some GPU and CPU parts.
Even though I have water sensor installed, I still use Argus Monitor's CPU+GPU Max average temp to trigger my fan curve. That imo reacts better with surge of high temp of either unit and not annoying.
Otherwise yes do that Ali lays out here. It works really well.
Great share, thank you! Every custom water-cooled pc I'm guessing as my AIO doesn't let me open the pump connector.
Great advice! My system has never been quieter!
Tbh they're extra important for sff loops to make sure your coolant isn't getting so hot your pump rotor melts.
Bought my sensor for like 3 euros from AliExpress. Has worked flawlessly.
FYI, the NZXT Kraken AIO's I have also monitor the liquid temperature for setting the fan curves
Might have to move to a custom loop just for this.
Been doing the same thing on my custom look for the past year, works far better.
I've been using a paid program called Argus Monitor, pretty flexible software that lets you setup custom curves, and when use multiple components as the temperature reference (highest reading out of the Average GPU and CPU for example)
My top radiator is solely controlled by water temp, but the front radiator I've got a GPU temp reference as well as water temp (Waterblock hasn't arrived yet for the 3080)
53C coolant is quite warm, be careful. Some pumps, like the EK SPC in my loop, have a maximum operating temperature of 50C.
I’m surprised that this isn’t a staple in any custom loop. AiO coolers have had this feature for forever and I couldn’t live without it. The fans (controlled by the bios via CPU temp) spinning up during quick CPU burst loads was driving me nuts.
Which aio? Kraken x53 doesn’t seem to let you control fans by liquid temp
Just make sure to set up a High Temperature Warning in case of pump failure or blocked flow!
You should try that dual rad setup in the FormD T1!
Argus monitor is a software that you can use to control every fan of your pc based in what you want. In my case I have a curve for my case fans, based in the average 20 second GPU temperature
Please review and include a Ultitube d5 next pump + Aquacomputer software in your next one ! AND KEEP THEM COMING MY MAN! Regards from Sweden
You and some other UA-camrs inspired me into the path of watercooling/custom watercooling. The pump i choose is one of Aquacomputers that alrdy comes with an installed tempsensor in it. The software i am using sadly doesnt recognize the Tempsensor though so i have to dial it via delta between gpu and water. Also im wondering: Is there a max Fluidtemperature for your pump? Because the one i have says max Fluidtemp would be 50°C which is lower then the max you have seen.
Interesting. I use watercooled PCs for years, even have a temp sensor in current loop but it never occurred to me to use it to control fans 😁 perhaps it's time for a bit of experimenting...
Can't believe it took you this long to find this. I've been using one in my build for years :/ Ever since I moved from NZXT AIO to a full loop.
Asus, on the x570 platform, allow for the GPU to be a temp determiner, through their software package. It works pretty well.
Which software ?
Aquacomputer D5 Next pumps come with sensors built in.
Ahhh I sound like I work for them but you should check out the Sliger S610 or S620 if you can get your hands on one for review :)
If I remember right, theres issue with coolant if it gets above like 60c or something. You might wanna setup the fans to 'emergency 100%' if it gets to 60C. Mine is set (not sff) for the fans to get to around 50% around 35c and then 'panic' at around 45c and go to 100% (I can hit 45c BARELY with synthetic bench marks on both cpu and gpu, prime 95 and furmark)
big fan of how u roll
Man can you do a in depth video for the fan curve?
This is the way BRUDDA
@Optimum Tech When are you gonna receive the sliger s620 for a d15 + 3090 build/case review?
In the first graph, maybe the coolant didn't get hotter BECAUSE the fans had rampe up to neutralize the anticipated heat from the workload.
By reading the coolant temperature, you might simply be adding a layer of latency to the cooling response.
The default fan curve is based on a preventative model while yours is based on a reactionary one. While the latter might make sense for preventing noise during very short computational bursts, the former is definitely better for the longevity of hardware, and to a miniscule degree, potentially performance.
Argus Monitor lets you set fan curves based on any number of sensors, so you can have a fan curve based on GPU and CPU temps. It's cheap software too.
One thing, you should be putting the coolant sensor AFTER all the water blocks and before the radiator. This would give you the worst case reading and the actual temperature of the coolant you’re wanting to cool off. Placing it after a radiator gives you the temperature after it’s been cooled.