Made in Croatia. As Croatian our work ethic and desire to produce quality or noting at all has shown with SA. Think of Croatia as Austria or Germany when it comes to quality just better. We are not as rich as those nations but what we make is absolutely best.
I think there is a lot of consideration into "proving ourselves" also.. When people think Croatia they might think its some dingy country in the middle of nowhere that runs off a 9V battery. But there is a lot of competent people working hard in this small country of 4 million people (and half of them are retired, veterans, public sector etc, so real productive class is basically the population size of a suburb in a larger US city). And yet Rimac making the fastest production electric hypercar in world, Končar transformers being comissioned from across the globe..
@Eucal Very well said. Typing is not my thing. I say what I say, someone adds to it and it starts to make sense to rest who can't even point us on the map, but expect the same). We learned our geography in 8th grade with every country and capital named and memorized.
Im a relatively new shooter, I’ve owned guns since I was 22 and I am 24 turning 25 now.. I only own Springfield guns and my next gun is the Echelon.. I plan on staying consistent with the brand because it’s been good to me, the price is amazing for the package, and I also don’t want to go with the basic Glock route… Springfield doesn’t deserve the hate it gets, you Croatians are awesome!
@@mariolanderosgarcia5373 a lot of guns just get popularity just like onlyfans girls on instagram. It doesn’t mean it’s the best. But the echilon is the most underrated gun on the market. It’s literally the latest and greatest handgun. Put it up against every other handgun ever made and it will win with the design quality and reliability. There was a time in the early 2000s when the 226 was basically the best gun, then the Glock proved itself to be a better gun with ergonomics weight and shoot ability. The echilon takes the Glock 17 and adds all the mods you would wanna do to it tastefully and reliably and ups the build quality completely unmatched. The videos and pictures don’t do it justice but when you hold it in your hand and rack the slide it’s just sooooooo smooth. In 20 years forgotten weapons will do a video on how the echilon was the best handgun ever made
@mariolanderosgarcia5373 Thanks my man. Wise choice. I am looking into Echelon as well They are priced good bit more than XD series is believe but worth it.
The Echelon is an awesome pistol. HS Produkt/Springfield did an amazing job with this gun. I have both the standard and comped variants and the comped variant is that much better. I carry my factory comped Echelon on me when at my gun shop everyday. I added a Tyrant CNC trigger with a Powder River Precision spring kit, a SS guide rod and 12 pound recoil spring, Icarus aluminum grip module, and running a Vortex Defender SST up top. Amazing setup and just a great overall pistol. A compact factory comped version is hopefully coming soon.
Ab-so-damn-lute-ly. I run the exact same set up. I'm something of the true amateur wannabe a good shooter and this is the only striker fired pistol I own that consistently allows me to score good hits at any distance out to 75'. Something about the HSun 507C with the trigger in the Echelon coupled with its ergonomics that just works. I shoot this gun as well as anything else I own including my much much more expensive pistols including my 1911s and 2011s.
I'm a new shooter bought this for father's day (non comp) . The trigger is nice I was pulling double taps without me trying compared to my sheild plus.. (Again I'm a newbie shooter). Both guns got 250 rounds threw em no issues with blazer brass both 115g 124g. Aac ball and hp both 115g 124g
I’m so glad I found this video. You’re the first person who experienced the same knuckle problem from the grip. I could deal with a callus but it causes swelling on the knuckle to the point of affecting my grip. I agree with everything you said, but it’s keeping me from loving the gun.
I’ve seem many echelon owners complaining beavertail hitting thumb knuckle on multiple youtube channels and forums. I had to grind mine to make it reasonably comfortable. Because of that I decided not to purchase icarus echelon grip module since it seems to have the same profile around the beavertail area.
Yo, the gun came with 3 backstraps, put the small backstrap on and you won't get the palm swell issue. With the small backstrap it feels similar to a 1911.
They need to do this like Sig did with the 320. It needs more industry support as well. I would also like to see a chassis like the flux or strike industries smc for it. There’s no reason why the echelon can’t do everything the 320 has done. A threaded barrel that works with the self indexing comp they make (and will hopefully sell separately from the hellcat) would also be awesome.
You guys should do a video on how much different the new comp version is to yours. I believe if the results are good, which i suspect it would (having extra weight at muzzle def helps too) help advertise your compensator
I’m just now looking into this gun. Funny, I’m a huge fan of Sig, but I shot my best USPSA match with my XD 5” I don’t know why I’ve been so dismissive of this handgun, but I have. I was dead set on getting a PDP, but now I’m wondering if I should wait. I would love a full 5” version.
Pdp does have a better trigger, but nearly everything else on the echelon is best in class, grip texture grip angle slide serrations and optics cut are all the best there is.
The State of Jefferson has around 5-600 rds through our examples of the HCEC and gotta say thoroughly impressed, worth the wait and you guys did a FANTASTIC job on it. Nothing else in the market comes close to how the HCEC shoots and feels. The new Rook Precision comp is comparable in muzzle flip reduction but as far as felt recoil goes nothing else is even in the same ball park. Due to your perfectly angled large side ports "braking" that reciprocating slide mass it feels like your shooting a 5.7 or a .22magnum for real. Especially paired with the Apex Tactical guide rod and an NDZ 14.5lb flat wire spring makes for about the perfect setup for the HCEC and is just a real joy to shoot. Really great job guys, I also wish they would have shortened the threaded barrel but they were prob thinking about booster adapters and suppressors when they were designing that but I know of 2 companies right now working on shorter threaded barrels so we can get that length down on the comps! Once again great job guys and for everyone else out there look for my full review of the HCEC coming soon on Outer Heaven Tactical big shout-out to Dylan for all the good communication and help along the way I'll be emailing you in the next few days, meanwhile folks here's some teaser stuff ua-cam.com/users/shortsz7bi8oN1kIw?si=PHfCQLzVcVzBNToJ
I'm not a fan of the Springfield XD line, but I don't mind looking into this. I bet it's better than a Glock. Glock Perfection is now Glock No Innovation.
Forgive my ignorance of compensators, how much weight and length are you adding to the end sans Surefire X 300 light? The sole purpose is to reduce muzzle flip and recoil correct? I have watched waaaay too many Eschelon videos from reputable shooters to convince myself I need another 9mm striker pew-pew but nobody I've watched remarked the recoil was bad or muzzle flip high. It looks cool AF though so congrats!
Now if someone made a comp for this that didn’t require a threaded barrel I would be happy as I have one of these on layaway with Buds right now. But I might send it out to get a Chunk Port put in it.
@@TravisMiller-f9p No, he meant built in comp. Integrally compensated and ported are two different things. Visually look similar, however the design behind it is different.
@@SlavicCinnamonRollie556 it depends on your body. I have a gut so when i've carried the echelon, it digs into me a bit more than something like a glock 19 which feels comfortable to me.
@@SlavicCinnamonRollie556 ah I see, I carry appendix so it’s a bit different than side carry. I was just assuming that this guy meant that carrying appendix would be a bit harder.
No one is pointing out the wear on the front of barrel and where the slide goes over it, right out of the box. This is nothing new from Springfield . Got me a new echelon yesterday . Got it home and it has e wear on it
I'm on the fence so bad between the Echelon and the Walther pdp pro compact I wish I could buy both and eventually I will but I think maybe I'm gonna go pdp pro just because I can take the magwell off and run a stock 15 round mag for better concielment but the Echelon is way less money but pdp has a the better trigger but the Echelon has the cog system and the better optics system... damn it's a tough choice
If they made a 3-3.5” barrel version with a grip that is as long as the glock 19, id buy it. It’s a great gun, it’s just “another great full size gun”, but I need more in thr compact/ccw category that is reliable and kickass
@@ZacharySkipworth I'm 100% with this guy. I'd love a compact and ccw version. The hellcat pro doesn't have the COG system, the nice cuts on the slide, the back wings, nor the sight pin system. They look similar but are far from the same. Also, not that it matters, but imo the echelon is a lot better name than hellcat. Much rather have that on the side of my gun then hellcat.
Oh yes!!!! Another 9mm pistol…and now not only with a rifle sight on it, but now it has a compensator built into it due to the tremendous recoil of that almighty and hand crushing 9mm cartridge!!😂😂😂 So get out there and buy this new “gotta have it” pistol asap! So what if the kids only eat once a day! Get this new rifle sighted pistol today!😂😂😂😂
sorry bro comps IMO dont do anything on handguns. 9mm is not that powerful and id bet you get more from the weight on the end of the gun then any from a puff of smoke. people are just wanting the new factor. because as we know everything is a "Glock killer"
Glocks are one of the least ergonomic polymer pistols I’ve ever gripped. I’m amazed at how many people buy them on name alone. There are so many better options out there now
It's a good gun. Shoots very well. And the ergonomics are much better than a Glock. It's not even close actually. I own the sig, Echelon and a g19. The Echelon definitely lives up to the hype. I'm just not a fan of u-shaped iron sights. Wish it had traditional 3-dot sights.
Why are people buying the echelon? I literally do not know anyone who has. It’s like they sent out samples for all the gun tubers to make videos and then it was immediately forgotten.
Own it, love it. Glock should've lost the market a decade ago. They've done no innovating since the 80s. Literally everyone does polymer, striker fired pistols better at this point. There's far more innovation coming out of every other camp.
People are buying this gun? recently stopped working at a gun store and I can say with the utmost confidence very few people buying this gun. Spoke with other stores, former coworkers, customers, etc; and the most common thing was that the gun didn’t sell well. A friend of mine bought it strictly because it felt comfortable 🤷🏻♂️. Even online it seems like the gun is teetering on DOA.
As a german citizen, this is the only Point where i am jealous of the US-Citizen. You can buy and Shot all this beautiful Guns in a Safe Environment, and for me its almost impossible… 🥲
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Made in Croatia.
As Croatian our work ethic and desire to produce quality or noting at all has shown with SA.
Think of Croatia as Austria or Germany when it comes to quality just better.
We are not as rich as those nations but what we make is absolutely best.
I think there is a lot of consideration into "proving ourselves" also..
When people think Croatia they might think its some dingy country in the middle of nowhere that runs off a 9V battery.
But there is a lot of competent people working hard in this small country of 4 million people (and half of them are retired, veterans, public sector etc, so real productive class is basically the population size of a suburb in a larger US city).
And yet Rimac making the fastest production electric hypercar in world, Končar transformers being comissioned from across the globe..
@Eucal Very well said.
Typing is not my thing.
I say what I say, someone adds to it and it starts to make sense to rest who can't even point us on the map, but expect the same).
We learned our geography in 8th grade with every country and capital named and memorized.
Im a relatively new shooter, I’ve owned guns since I was 22 and I am 24 turning 25 now.. I only own Springfield guns and my next gun is the Echelon.. I plan on staying consistent with the brand because it’s been good to me, the price is amazing for the package, and I also don’t want to go with the basic Glock route…
Springfield doesn’t deserve the hate it gets, you Croatians are awesome!
@@mariolanderosgarcia5373 a lot of guns just get popularity just like onlyfans girls on instagram. It doesn’t mean it’s the best. But the echilon is the most underrated gun on the market. It’s literally the latest and greatest handgun. Put it up against every other handgun ever made and it will win with the design quality and reliability. There was a time in the early 2000s when the 226 was basically the best gun, then the Glock proved itself to be a better gun with ergonomics weight and shoot ability. The echilon takes the Glock 17 and adds all the mods you would wanna do to it tastefully and reliably and ups the build quality completely unmatched. The videos and pictures don’t do it justice but when you hold it in your hand and rack the slide it’s just sooooooo smooth. In 20 years forgotten weapons will do a video on how the echilon was the best handgun ever made
@mariolanderosgarcia5373 Thanks my man.
Wise choice.
I am looking into Echelon as well
They are priced good bit more than XD series is believe but worth it.
Springfield please...please just release a Compact version.
It’s called the hellcat pro😂
springfield dont make this weapons or release anything , u know that right?
@@sedm35
That shit sucks 😂 reamp it into a springfield echelon mini lol
Once Croatia sees the market, they'll engineer and build it for Springfield to import.
Lol yepp @@sedm35
The Echelon is an awesome pistol. HS Produkt/Springfield did an amazing job with this gun. I have both the standard and comped variants and the comped variant is that much better. I carry my factory comped Echelon on me when at my gun shop everyday. I added a Tyrant CNC trigger with a Powder River Precision spring kit, a SS guide rod and 12 pound recoil spring, Icarus aluminum grip module, and running a Vortex Defender SST up top. Amazing setup and just a great overall pistol. A compact factory comped version is hopefully coming soon.
I love my echelon. Paired it with a surefire and holosun 507c green dot. I have the large grip module and that texturing is superb.
Ab-so-damn-lute-ly. I run the exact same set up. I'm something of the true amateur wannabe a good shooter and this is the only striker fired pistol I own that consistently allows me to score good hits at any distance out to 75'. Something about the HSun 507C with the trigger in the Echelon coupled with its ergonomics that just works. I shoot this gun as well as anything else I own including my much much more expensive pistols including my 1911s and 2011s.
I'm a new shooter bought this for father's day (non comp) . The trigger is nice I was pulling double taps without me trying compared to my sheild plus.. (Again I'm a newbie shooter). Both guns got 250 rounds threw em no issues with blazer brass both 115g 124g. Aac ball and hp both 115g 124g
Throw the Apex Tactical guiderod in and makes things even better
Sounds like a pistol to definitely look into. Thanks for this video
I’m so glad I found this video. You’re the first person who experienced the same knuckle problem from the grip. I could deal with a callus but it causes swelling on the knuckle to the point of affecting my grip. I agree with everything you said, but it’s keeping me from loving the gun.
I’ve seem many echelon owners complaining beavertail hitting thumb knuckle on multiple youtube channels and forums. I had to grind mine to make it reasonably comfortable. Because of that I decided not to purchase icarus echelon grip module since it seems to have the same profile around the beavertail area.
@@LivingInSoCal thanks for the tip. I will give it a try.
@@LivingInSoCalmust be hand size thing cause I've got zero issues with the stock frame on mine regardless of the backstrap I'm running
Yo, the gun came with 3 backstraps, put the small backstrap on and you won't get the palm swell issue. With the small backstrap it feels similar to a 1911.
This ☝️. The small backstrap allows my stronghand web and thumb to wrap and rest more naturally and comfortably.
They need to do this like Sig did with the 320. It needs more industry support as well. I would also like to see a chassis like the flux or strike industries smc for it. There’s no reason why the echelon can’t do everything the 320 has done. A threaded barrel that works with the self indexing comp they make (and will hopefully sell separately from the hellcat) would also be awesome.
Absolutely great design and finally super functional slide cuts.
Bought one a few weeks ago and I love it
You guys should do a video on how much different the new comp version is to yours. I believe if the results are good, which i suspect it would (having extra weight at muzzle def helps too) help advertise your compensator
New compact Echelon just got released, please make video with the compact slide on the full size frame with the comp
Ported version actually has less recoil than the compensator
Sharps Bro's has an awesome aluminum grip module
Really good gun. Not sure where all the hate comes from? Only downside is there's no aftermarket for it... yet.
The hate comes from Glocksuckers.
I’m just now looking into this gun.
Funny, I’m a huge fan of Sig, but I shot my best USPSA match with my XD 5”
I don’t know why I’ve been so dismissive of this handgun, but I have.
I was dead set on getting a PDP, but now I’m wondering if I should wait.
I would love a full 5” version.
Pdp does have a better trigger, but nearly everything else on the echelon is best in class, grip texture grip angle slide serrations and optics cut are all the best there is.
I bought the Echelon 4.0 compact. love it
The State of Jefferson has around 5-600 rds through our examples of the HCEC and gotta say thoroughly impressed, worth the wait and you guys did a FANTASTIC job on it. Nothing else in the market comes close to how the HCEC shoots and feels. The new Rook Precision comp is comparable in muzzle flip reduction but as far as felt recoil goes nothing else is even in the same ball park. Due to your perfectly angled large side ports "braking" that reciprocating slide mass it feels like your shooting a 5.7 or a .22magnum for real. Especially paired with the Apex Tactical guide rod and an NDZ 14.5lb flat wire spring makes for about the perfect setup for the HCEC and is just a real joy to shoot. Really great job guys, I also wish they would have shortened the threaded barrel but they were prob thinking about booster adapters and suppressors when they were designing that but I know of 2 companies right now working on shorter threaded barrels so we can get that length down on the comps! Once again great job guys and for everyone else out there look for my full review of the HCEC coming soon on Outer Heaven Tactical big shout-out to Dylan for all the good communication and help along the way I'll be emailing you in the next few days, meanwhile folks here's some teaser stuff
ua-cam.com/users/shortsz7bi8oN1kIw?si=PHfCQLzVcVzBNToJ
I want the comped version. Its definitely next on my list.
I'm not a fan of the Springfield XD line, but I don't mind looking into this. I bet it's better than a Glock. Glock Perfection is now Glock No Innovation.
@@General.Legion glock was never perfection 🤡 they trademarked a work to build their company around the idea of reaching perfection and never could.
Why does everything have to be compared to a Glock?
Hello looking at the Springfield Echelon And also the Walther PDP. What do you recommend
Best small comp on the market, hope you will release a nice magwell too 👍
Great vid. Keep up the good job!
I love my Echelon. It's like a Hellcat RDP that hit the gym and bulked up.
So, it runs with the stock recoil spring? Nice.
Can you go-witness with the optic?
You can! I have the 3 dot tritium echelon and put a 507k x2 green on it and those optics line up very well.
Icuras and Sparks are making lowers
And mischief machine , they’ve just been quiet bout it 🤫
I love it. Reliable. Comfortable. Accurate. Optics system is fucking legit as well. My only complaints is the night sights could be better
And now there is an Echelon Comp. Thoughts?
With now released comp version would you still prefer the standard version w/comp add on?
Could we get an Installation video?
Do you have to change out the guide rod or springs when using your compensator?
Forgive my ignorance of compensators, how much weight and length are you adding to the end sans Surefire X 300 light? The sole purpose is to reduce muzzle flip and recoil correct? I have watched waaaay too many Eschelon videos from reputable shooters to convince myself I need another 9mm striker pew-pew but nobody I've watched remarked the recoil was bad or muzzle flip high. It looks cool AF though so congrats!
Now if someone made a comp for this that didn’t require a threaded barrel I would be happy as I have one of these on layaway with Buds right now. But I might send it out to get a Chunk Port put in it.
They have a version that has a built in comp
@@TajWolfeyou mean ported?
@@TravisMiller-f9p No, he meant built in comp. Integrally compensated and ported are two different things. Visually look similar, however the design behind it is different.
love my echelon, idk if i could carry that with a comp it’s already a bit of a struggle with how big it is already. Great video tho!
Nosense lol i can carry Beretta 92FS without any issue so this shouldnt be an issue.
@@SlavicCinnamonRollie556 it depends on your body. I have a gut so when i've carried the echelon, it digs into me a bit more than something like a glock 19 which feels comfortable to me.
@@ReyzRange I got a fat belly but I carry from side which works well.
@@SlavicCinnamonRollie556 ah I see, I carry appendix so it’s a bit different than side carry. I was just assuming that this guy meant that carrying appendix would be a bit harder.
@@ReyzRange it’s possible to carry large pistols appendix but the beaver tail would need to be dehorned for maximum comfort
Right on time.
Hey, do you guys have some sellers in France ?
Did y’all fix the magazine explosion problem
Please tell me y’all fix the explosion problem please I really won’t that gun
How about Glock magasins can get in to Springfield >eshelon? Thanks
No one is pointing out the wear on the front of barrel and where the slide goes over it, right out of the box. This is nothing new from Springfield . Got me a new echelon yesterday . Got it home and it has e wear on it
What is a good holster for this setup?
Everyday Kydex
Because this pistol flat fucking RUNS out of the box. That is why people are buying it....and it doesn't need a compensator SMFH
Now they have a comp version.
Holosun pid on mine love it
Springfield really stuck a finger in honey, when they took HS production under their name... HS products are great firm for lighter weapons
I'm on the fence so bad between the Echelon and the Walther pdp pro compact I wish I could buy both and eventually I will but I think maybe I'm gonna go pdp pro just because I can take the magwell off and run a stock 15 round mag for better concielment but the Echelon is way less money but pdp has a the better trigger but the Echelon has the cog system and the better optics system... damn it's a tough choice
And CZ is working on that modular P10...
@@jordanqualitycontrol they just came out with the new updated p07 and p09 too just to throw another monkey in my wrench!
@@davidmarcey7970 worst decision you’ll make and one you’ll regret even more. 💯😴
What would be the worst decision? Considering an echelon or CZ P10. Thanks in advance.
@@08dwarren cz’s are pos
“Release a compact “
Hellcat pro- what am I a joke to u ?
Shoukd make a comp for taurus gx4
The gun really likes to shoot.
JUST ONE GREAT GUN AND NOW MY CARRY BUT MY GLOCKS WILL NEVER LEAVE MY HOUSE...............NEVER
If they made a 3-3.5” barrel version with a grip that is as long as the glock 19, id buy it.
It’s a great gun, it’s just “another great full size gun”, but I need more in thr compact/ccw category that is reliable and kickass
It’s called the hellcat pro
@@ZacharySkipworth I'm 100% with this guy. I'd love a compact and ccw version. The hellcat pro doesn't have the COG system, the nice cuts on the slide, the back wings, nor the sight pin system. They look similar but are far from the same. Also, not that it matters, but imo the echelon is a lot better name than hellcat. Much rather have that on the side of my gun then hellcat.
If you want to request features from Springfield you’ll need to learn Croatian and talk to HS Produkt 😂
Oh yes!!!! Another 9mm pistol…and now not only with a rifle sight on it, but now it has a compensator built into it due to the tremendous recoil of that almighty and hand crushing 9mm cartridge!!😂😂😂
So get out there and buy this new “gotta have it” pistol asap! So what if the kids only eat once a day! Get this new rifle sighted pistol today!😂😂😂😂
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If you don’t own an Echelon you are wrong!! #Best
FRESSSHHHH!!!!!!
sorry bro comps IMO dont do anything on handguns. 9mm is not that powerful and id bet you get more from the weight on the end of the gun then any from a puff of smoke.
people are just wanting the new factor. because as we know everything is a "Glock killer"
because its a great gun
Finally
Glock has done little to no innovating since the first model. Almost everyone are doing polymer pistols better at this point.
Glocks are one of the least ergonomic polymer pistols I’ve ever gripped. I’m amazed at how many people buy them on name alone. There are so many better options out there now
after all the big gun toober channels did a video on this gun....now no one cares about it !
It's a good gun. Shoots very well. And the ergonomics are much better than a Glock. It's not even close actually. I own the sig, Echelon and a g19. The Echelon definitely lives up to the hype. I'm just not a fan of u-shaped iron sights. Wish it had traditional 3-dot sights.
I own the Sig 320, glock 19 (gen 4), the SA Eschelon, and the Canik Rival and Rival S. My favorite is the Eschelon and the caniks
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people who are bad shooters think triggers help them... just gimmik trash sorry.
Why are people buying the echelon? I literally do not know anyone who has. It’s like they sent out samples for all the gun tubers to make videos and then it was immediately forgotten.
What? That’s not true at all 😂 they sell out like crazy in my area and definitely not forgotten 3 metal grip modules coming out .
Then you don’t know any true gun enthusiasts. This pistol is amazing. Def better than a Glock hands down especially for a duty weapon.
@@Budget_operatorright.
Own it, love it. Glock should've lost the market a decade ago. They've done no innovating since the 80s. Literally everyone does polymer, striker fired pistols better at this point. There's far more innovation coming out of every other camp.
@@lbwar15 You're just uneducated on the topic then.
People are buying this gun? recently stopped working at a gun store and I can say with the utmost confidence very few people buying this gun. Spoke with other stores, former coworkers, customers, etc; and the most common thing was that the gun didn’t sell well. A friend of mine bought it strictly because it felt comfortable 🤷🏻♂️. Even online it seems like the gun is teetering on DOA.
lol it has sold a good load, you can say lies maybe. but it sells
Because people are dumb.
Because it’s a dam good gun,,
As a german citizen, this is the only Point where i am jealous of the US-Citizen. You can buy and Shot all this beautiful Guns in a Safe Environment, and for me its almost impossible… 🥲