we all know that izzy is the master manipulator *just looked back at this and having 9.6k likes is insane! Not that it matters tho, but I liked sharing my opinion😅*
Heather and Alejandro are the BEST manipulators in the whole Total Drama franchise. Alejandro manipulated: Bridgette, Leshawna, Lindsay(not that much), DJ, Noah, Owen, Harold(not that much), Courtney, Cody and kind of Heather in TDWT. Heather manipulated: Eva, Trent, Lindsay and Beth in TDI and TDAS. Mal wasn’t manipulative, instead he just rigged the votes and broke people’s stuff. Mal is just one of Mike’s alters. Heather and Alejandro are real manipulators. Scott is kind of a manipulator, but nothing compared to Heather and Alejandro.
Uhm no ? She was the only one that was knew alejandro’s true intentions from the start and was not manipulated by him if anything she manipulated him to help her eliminate duncan and then save her in the dinosaur challenge only to get him eliminated if not for sierra blowing it up … not only that she manipulated him AGAIN even after he knew she betrayed him in the finale … idk about you about you but if she was able to do all that to Alejandro then She’s definitely THE show’s best villain.
You also forgot to mention Heather manipulating courtney and gwen pitting them against each other to earn her own vote in TDWT , getting blainely eliminated and manipulated cody by helping him get rid of sierra and then manipulated sierra against cody and alejandro when they were helping each other
@@atturl It probably was not a lie, she's only a manipulator and mean because in the Total Drama Action she admits her parents abused her in the aftermath with the electric chair.
@@NC3186 actually no since Scott didnt pass the 4 one so Bowie win against him,, and Mal suck and didnt manipulate anyone,, hes just break stuff,, Duncan was a better manipulator than both
@@NC3186 Zoey is an idiot,, Sierra is a yandere and Sam avec OCD,, Cameron was dumbed down,, its not good manipulation if he just abuse the stupidity of some and the other character have to be nerf to make him work
Thats not even manipulate he just convinced them he is a treat which obviusly he is he is 1 of 5 most scary looking competitors He manipulated julia off guard which isnt hard and priya sort of which wasnt hard at all Mal did manipulated some but unlikly as bowie it wasnt his mission he wanted 2 things , money & fun
Heather and Alejandro are definitely the best manipulators in the show, no contest. They have tricked the other team(mostly Alejandro) to kick off their most useful players and Heather was aware of which people are most susceptible to her manipulation. Scott and Mal, however, are horrible at manipulating. Sure, Scott definitely fits the role as manipulator to an extent, but he usually just sabotaged his own team and got someone randomly eliminated, even though, realistically, that is a horrible move cause that could still lead to him being eliminated. Mal was just terrible at manipulating, the only reason he still managed to get to the final two was dumb luck and poor writing. I don’t even know where to begin with when it comes to either topics. Cameron was able to tell that Mike had a Multi-personality disorder from a couple of days on the show, but suddenly he couldn’t recognize Mal as another personality? Then we have Duncan who recognized Mal from Juvie but he says nothing about it to his team. Alejandro soon found out and decided not to show anyone, he just said that he had proof “in the art.” As for the new revivals, I’ll start with Julia. She was actually pretty-well written, there were subtle hints that pointed to her having a fake personality for her followers and when she was revealed to be a horrible person, she took advantage of that and incorporated it into her strategy to secure safety during the voting round which got her pretty far mostly on her own merit than dumb luck. Bowie is deemed a manipulator in the show, but I don’t really see him that way, he even said it at the beginning that he only came to win, there was no lie there. Of course, he did use underhanded tactics like the confessionals recordings and betraying the person he was getting close to to make sure they get the boot immediately. I would consider Bowie to be strategist with a manipulative side to him.
Scott's 'manipulation' consisted of him gaslighting his team into thinking that certain members were being bad, which is a bit funny to think about imo
i really liked julia’s character because not only was she well written, she was also very talented similar to how alejandro and heathers characters were but yeah scott was just a weak villain, mal was only strong because the writting made all of the other characters worse, scarlett from tdpi was just insane for a show about teens, and sugar? (who i think was a antagonist) was jsut pretty weak
Sorry, but Bowie is a better manipulator than Mal, he managed to manipulate Julia (the main villain) to work with him, so he can betray her easily. All Mal did was breaking stuff and rig the votes to get Cameron eliminated, which didn't work out either.
mal managed to eliminate the whole cast courtney got destroyed on the spot al couldnt do much cz nobody trusted him and mal advantaged it scott got toast in the late game cameron gone crazy advantaging zoey's love to mike and manipulate her to hopeless chances i wont countnie , have no power
@@NC3186 Mal had nothing to do with Lindsay, Lightning, Jo, Sam, Heather and Duncan's elimination He was just bullying Cameron and attended to get him out by rigging the votes, not succeeding The fact that nobody believed Al is just dumb luck, same for the fact that the other characters were dumbed down this season, so he was able to get away with everything he did every time The only reason he made the finale is thanks to Zoey, if anyone else won the challenge he wouldn't have been picked No hate, but Mal is not so good as a villain/manipulator and you seem to overrate him. I agree with the others though
@@entymash any strategy that allows u to get abused by someone and dominated by someone is a stupid dumb strategy and that can have anyone get tricked 😂 Bowie sucks just like he sucks 🍆 🤮
Mal wasn’t a whole character, that was the whole point of Mikes character. Mal is the goofy cartoon villain persona of Mike, created as a sort of protector persona when he was in the same juvenile prison as Duncan. Mal isn’t supposed to be a complex individual person, he’s supposed to be put into the whole context of Mike and the other personalities.
HEAR ME OUT heather's way of manipulating people is pretty good but the only reason she got so much further than she should've in season 1 is because she got rng invincibility in the pirate treasure hunt challenge💀💀
also cody getting mauled to death was crazy heather plot armour, and the cooking challenge because of some crazy superstition that everyone had with beth
@@NC3186really Zoe mikes girlfriend realized NOTHIGN Cameron THE PERSON WHO LITTERALLY HELPED MIKE WITH HIS PERSONALITES realized nothing Duncan the man who knew it was mal did nothing Uhuh sure buddy
@@NC3186Nah EVERYBODY was dumbed down for the sake of Mike's plot. They even nerfed Alejandro's physical strength to make Mal look threatening when he hurt Alejandro's wrist. If Mal had tried that in season 3 Alejandro would've folded his ass.
@@NC3186 examples of the all stars cast being dumbed down for Mal: (no hate btw I loved the video) 1. Zoe didn’t figure it out until near the end, and then decided to keep him in the game? 2. Alejandro went straight to Mal when he figured it out 3. Cameron (the one who figured out his mpd on his own), not realizing Mike was Mal 4. Courtney keeping a paper of her evil plans (why tf did she even wright them down they aren’t that hard to remember)
>TDI Heather >Manipulator Bro, I legit watched TDI since the beggining. But Bowie and Julia were better than Heather, girl legit just made it to the final 3 with pure luck lol
Hello! I'm watching TDI on netflix and there were 2 seasons. I haven't watched them all yet but yk i'm confused, did they replace the original characters with new ones or are the original characters still there? On the show? And is netflix airing all seasons or are there only two seasons?
@@kpop_shorts9968The OG cast will stay for three seasons then Chris will get a new cast for the 4th season and in the fifth season some OG characters will mix with the 4th season cast it was a horrible season Courtney Duncan Heather Gwen Lindsay Sierra And Alejandro The 6th season was a monstrosity called Pahkitew Island which had horrible plots and a brand new cast you should skip that season most of the characters are annoying af it was overall dodshit. Luckily for us, the 7th season was way better and had Noah, Owen, and Geoff come back it also had a new host named Don and he wasn't that bad. And sorry idk about season 8 cuz I only watched 5 episodes the season is available on BBC Iplayer just say ur from a random place in the UK and use a British VPN and you'll be good.
Ok, I hope he means that they are good manipulators, not good villains in the show, because Julia and Bowie are some of the best villains the show has seen since Alejandro.
@@NC3186 Mal only “destroyed the whole cast” because the said “whole cast” was stupid. 😒 Scott was pretty good, but kinda goofy. They definitely don’t beat Bowie or Julia though, not in a long shot. 😌
@@TotalDramaHarold Yea He tricked eveyone hes Mike. Tricked Zoey Cameron and whole lot of the hero team. By breaking stuff he broke Sara and Sem mentally.
scott is surely a great character, but not the brightest villain, his plan of constantly making his team lose fell flat BUT he's still enjoyable and probably the only character I fully enjoyed in all stars (mostly bc he wasn't really a villain anymore) but mal...he was honestly pretty bad executed making everyone look dumb and thats writer's fault, not because mal was great. tho I don't think the idea of mike having a evil personality was a bad idea
Why are we literally using the entire comment section just to tell the creator of the short to change who better, he/she won't change it anyways and the comments prob boost the vid in some way.
Hear me out, Edit: added Scott Mal was actually a pretty good manipulator I mean at the beginning of the season he manipulated EVERYONE into thinking he’s mike Scott wasn’t a rlly good manipulator buttt he got dawn out of the game BY MANIPULATING
Gurl.. Just bc one of your fav characters are out does not mean they are that bad but this time I kinda agree. Although I am not a Dawn fan more of a Scott Fan but not really that much, I feel that Scott is not really good as a manipulator but more as an antagonist
apparently some people didnt actually watch the show bc mal manipulated a bunch of people including mike, the literal person he is a part of. scott manipulated everyone on his team to vote dawn off for pretty much no reason
well she was the only one who knew his secret so she had to be voted off if she hadnt voted off she would potentially tell some people leading to them doubting his leadership or cooperations and would ultimately lead to his downfall. He cant just infinitely find mclane invincibilities and literally scott is like a top tier manipulator and player but he got nerfed hard in all stars. Scott literally not only manipulated the whole team but the game to he constantly tricked the game and sabatoging his team so they he wouldnt have a chance of getting voted off.
ima stop you right there ima make a list bc it’s more convenient 1. the only reason mal is “considered a threat” (not really) is because the writers were actually a bunch of monkeys who made all the characters have smooth monkey brains 2. although mal did technically manipulate zoey and cameron, that’s kind of it. even if you consider it manipulating and not bad writing, that’s only 2 people, while heather and alejandro out eat them heavily, and I think julia does too. 3. scott has no strategy in reality. his entire “plan” is to ruin his team, and then depend on immunity and invincibility statues which is a really stupid strategy, especially for TOTAL DRAMA so yeah these 2 “villains” are not the sharpest tools in the shed
@@annoyingpoc698 regardless of their "plot", compared to the other competitors, Mal is pathetic and only was able to be considered a villain because of the writers stupid decisions and the seasons horrible circumstances
Okay, I know everybody hates Mal, but listen. He was literally able to manipulate the whole entire All Stars cast, and since Zoey was head over heels for Mike, he was able to get to the finale. He sabotaged challenges, (For example: the ice cream challenge, boat race challenge, etc.), and was able to get everyone to believe that Alejandro let Cam fall during the mining challenge, even though Alejandro made an attempt to help Cam. Mal was also easily able to get on Chris good side since they both liked scary things. (Can be seen in the ice cream challenge, when Chris “forgot” to feed his interns, and when Mal was able to stay in the game because he brought back in injured competitor a.k.a Scott in the pirate loot challenge.) He tampered with the votes by making multiple copies of Cameron, tried for form an alliance with Alejandro, tried to form ANOTHER alliance with Zoey, and Cam. Not to mention that he already knew a lot about the game, when he first got introduced, was good at challenges, which also played a part with him making it to the final 2. I can pretty much guarantee you that if Mike had been in control, the whole season, he wouldn’t have made it as far as he did. Mal literally did ALL of this while pretending to be Mike. If that’s not master manipulating, than I don’t know what is.
True, but he isn't a manipulator since he's completely upfront with his evil deeds, he doesn't try to hide them. Only reason he doesn't get in trouble is because he's in charge and promised them a chance at lots of money for competing
all of the characters In this video are great antagonists I would say Julia is a manipulator she did manipulate her fans which was like 300 pre TDI Reboot (and I mean in canon) into thinking she was this kind chill girl when she is a pretty bad person
The only reason Mal was a "good" manipulator was because total drama made every other character weak and a complete idiot 💀 All he really did was break things and laugh evil-ly for the fun of it
mal as a "Manipulator 😈" feels insulting considering its the same level as heather and alejandro in the video, they literally dumbed down every character just so mal could have plot armor and make it to the final 2 in the most anticlimactic way since zoey figures it out before the finale mal is not a better manipulator than bowie or julia bro 😭💀💀
Ok even if mal is the worst character in the series I still think that because of his power of plot armor he would probably destroy both of them. I mean mal has some super power to make everyone around him dumb so writers probably would make them as idiot to make him look intimidating and threatening lmao. But let's be honest we all know julia and bowie >>>>>>> mal
Action and WT had such a step down in quality from plots flanderzantion etc. Island is Amazing but it's dragged down by Heather's massive plot armor and Poorly unexplained/BS eliminations
Tbh Julia was more of a manipulator than Bowie. Bowie had to eliminate Julia because she was way better than Bowie in the challenges. Even Julia says it herself saying she has beaten Bowie more times than she could count. That’s why Bowie had to eliminate her because he couldn’t stand a chance.
I'm sorry but Bowie and Julia were way better than Mal and Scott, both of their tactics literally sucked. Scott sabotaging his team only works for the first few challenges because then you actually need players to win against the other teams to save yourself. He then got super dumbed down in All Stars. Mal literally just antagonized Cameron and broke other people's stuff. Bowie was way more strategic than all of them even making it to the finals, and Julia only got found out later in the season and managed to dominate the competition making it to 4th.
@@HasanDaaderfr they needed Sierra to the ground and Zoey what happened to her commando form??And also scoot he was so weak like no they just made them idiots for no reason
in total drama its true your no special everyone say this specific sentence but thinking julia & bowie are better just because they are new and not old is dumbness
@@NC3186 its kinda this opposite tbh lol thinking the og are better just cuz they are og its dumb. Julia is a queen as well, if she was in the og cast yall would also love her but cuz she is in the new version yall think shes less
@@NC3186mal barely manipulated anyone. He mostly just sabotaged and manipulated his friends, who had insane trust in him. Still a great villian. But i wouldn’t rank him up there with scott or al or even heather myself.
Scott is also bad,he was always a goofy man but he only got advantage in season 4 bc he was playing with noobs,in season 5 they had all the master minds,the pros,he cant manipulate those at all so he just looked like a goofy weak one
Heather is 100% a manipulator and Alejandro, personally a lot of people might be like Chris but everyone already knows what’s going on so Chris isn’t a Manipulator more like an antagonist When people are talking about the antagonist feel free to mention Chris all you want, but heather and Alejandro and definitely the manipulators watch Season 1 , 2 and 3 and come back to me before you can disagree (watch the show first :D) P.S I know it’s not that deep ❤
Im gonna rant just a bit. Personally, Scot and Mal are not good at manipulation. I cannot talk about the newer season bc i have not watched it. And btw have you heard of the "Izzy isnt Crazy" theory? It is really good and makes a lot of sense and it also kinda shows her manipulating everyone pretty well. I totally agree that Heather and Alejandro are good at manipulating tho, great vid!
@@NC3186 No, Heather and Alejandro manipulate many contestants but julia? She manipulate the social media, shes pretending to be an nice, calm influencer but in reality shes a judgemental
@@NC3186 Heather was also terrible villain who survived off luck even in the writers admitted in playa da losers if everyone hated her how did she make finale and then deflected with a joke
@@SuperCena-xj8eo but she ended most of those alliances example when she has Gwen's diary she could have used to blackmail into joining her alliance maybe even getting Cody Trent and Leshwana to vote whoever she wants getting her full control of who goes home instead she reads it amd sacrifices Justin a good meat shield she could have saved later just got lucky Cody or Justin voted for someone else or that her alliance didn't turn her or Izzy or Owen did not change their minds as there proven to be to be unpredictable all for what to put how target on back making harder to make alliances in the merge or even avoid elmantion since she is pretty hates on top Gwen has Cody Leshwana and Trent who outnumber alliance and could easily vote her off if not for her plot armor. She got lucky plenty of times like people believing in Beth's Curse getting immunity luckily when her stunt with Trent depended Trent being a moron and Gwen telling someone is still increased target on her back and if not for the pass she got out of luck they would rather voted her off than Trent what about Eva returning during the first merge challenge making her a meat shield for Heather again what about everyone in playa da losers acting like morons and Chris tricking Leshwana out. Also her get lucky the votes in Izzy elmantion sure she made a alliance with Duncan that was forgotten about next episode but even with Geoff that's not enough votes Izzy won't vote herself off Owen won't vote off his girlfriend Gwen and Leshwana hate Heather there is nothing confirming Duncan forced Owen to vote for Izzy. Also there are also her many immunity wins out of luck Heather is amazing character and plot wise she is great MV because of how funny and iconic but as a strategist she is leagues below Alejandro Scott Bowie Julia Ice Dancers TDI Duncan(he is the secondary villain)
Izzy literally manipulated chris into eliminating escope just so she can come back as izzy
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Izzy was such a good manipulator that he didn’t know she was an manipulator💀
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@@txtallyminescourtwait isint Izzy a girl?
@@ShroOombee Yh I was talking abt the he didn’t know
we all know that izzy is the master manipulator
*just looked back at this and having 9.6k likes is insane! Not that it matters tho, but I liked sharing my opinion😅*
Yesss she made Owen fall in love with her in episode 5 haha but who wouldn't
My queen.
shes such a good manipulator most people don’t know that she is one she caused the killer bass to lose two challenges
Agreed.
@@YourRandomDuck and she cause others to lose challenges in action too then would join the winning team.
Heather and Alejandro are the BEST manipulators in the whole Total Drama franchise. Alejandro manipulated: Bridgette, Leshawna, Lindsay(not that much), DJ, Noah, Owen, Harold(not that much), Courtney, Cody and kind of Heather in TDWT. Heather manipulated: Eva, Trent, Lindsay and Beth in TDI and TDAS. Mal wasn’t manipulative, instead he just rigged the votes and broke people’s stuff. Mal is just one of Mike’s alters. Heather and Alejandro are real manipulators. Scott is kind of a manipulator, but nothing compared to Heather and Alejandro.
kind of heather?
he destroyed her but her f*cking plot armor ruined the season
@@NC3186I guess
Heather also kinda manipulated Sierra but Sierra was smart enough to not trust her
Uhm no ? She was the only one that was knew alejandro’s true intentions from the start and was not manipulated by him if anything she manipulated him to help her eliminate duncan and then save her in the dinosaur challenge only to get him eliminated if not for sierra blowing it up … not only that she manipulated him AGAIN even after he knew she betrayed him in the finale … idk about you about you but if she was able to do all that to Alejandro then She’s definitely THE show’s best villain.
You also forgot to mention Heather manipulating courtney and gwen pitting them against each other to earn her own vote in TDWT , getting blainely eliminated and manipulated cody by helping him get rid of sierra and then manipulated sierra against cody and alejandro when they were helping each other
Heather isn't a manipulator in total drama, she's THE manipulator in total drama(plus Alejandro)
Lol
Fun fact: when she go bald she cries and admits she doesnt want to be mean nor hated all the time
@@PurpleKYO_l0v3ualli’m pretty sure that was a lie. but it might not be, but she definitely was THE manipulator
@@atturl It probably was not a lie, she's only a manipulator and mean because in the Total Drama Action she admits her parents abused her in the aftermath with the electric chair.
Julia and Bowie are better manipulators than Scott and Mal
Scott was not a good manipulator but a funny antagonist,, because hes dumb and doesnt seem to understand the game,, but Mal suck ass
They destroyed everyone
Julia manipulate feats : herself
Bowie manipulate feats : julia
ENDS
@@NC3186 actually no since Scott didnt pass the 4 one so Bowie win against him,, and Mal suck and didnt manipulate anyone,, hes just break stuff,, Duncan was a better manipulator than both
@@winniedzormo2456 got zoey confused the whole season made cameron lose control broke sierra & sam mentaly manipulated his personalities
@@NC3186 Zoey is an idiot,, Sierra is a yandere and Sam avec OCD,, Cameron was dumbed down,, its not good manipulation if he just abuse the stupidity of some and the other character have to be nerf to make him work
You can’t seriously think mal is a better villian then Bowie and Julia he literally didn’t even manipulate anybody.
To vote for caleb?
Thats not even manipulate he just convinced them he is a treat which obviusly he is he is 1 of 5 most scary looking competitors
He manipulated julia off guard which isnt hard and priya sort of which wasnt hard at all
Mal did manipulated some but unlikly as bowie it wasnt his mission he wanted 2 things , money & fun
@@NC3186 aa ok
Nobody?? Zoey? Cameron? Made scott lose? Bowie only eliminated julia. So wth😂
@@SuperCena-xj8eohe also eliminated caleb and chase maybe emma too I forgot
Heather and Alejandro are definitely the best manipulators in the show, no contest. They have tricked the other team(mostly Alejandro) to kick off their most useful players and Heather was aware of which people are most susceptible to her manipulation.
Scott and Mal, however, are horrible at manipulating. Sure, Scott definitely fits the role as manipulator to an extent, but he usually just sabotaged his own team and got someone randomly eliminated, even though, realistically, that is a horrible move cause that could still lead to him being eliminated. Mal was just terrible at manipulating, the only reason he still managed to get to the final two was dumb luck and poor writing. I don’t even know where to begin with when it comes to either topics. Cameron was able to tell that Mike had a Multi-personality disorder from a couple of days on the show, but suddenly he couldn’t recognize Mal as another personality? Then we have Duncan who recognized Mal from Juvie but he says nothing about it to his team. Alejandro soon found out and decided not to show anyone, he just said that he had proof “in the art.”
As for the new revivals, I’ll start with Julia. She was actually pretty-well written, there were subtle hints that pointed to her having a fake personality for her followers and when she was revealed to be a horrible person, she took advantage of that and incorporated it into her strategy to secure safety during the voting round which got her pretty far mostly on her own merit than dumb luck. Bowie is deemed a manipulator in the show, but I don’t really see him that way, he even said it at the beginning that he only came to win, there was no lie there. Of course, he did use underhanded tactics like the confessionals recordings and betraying the person he was getting close to to make sure they get the boot immediately. I would consider Bowie to be strategist with a manipulative side to him.
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Facts
mal is a good villain , fight me idiots
Scott's 'manipulation' consisted of him gaslighting his team into thinking that certain members were being bad, which is a bit funny to think about imo
i really liked julia’s character because not only was she well written, she was also very talented similar to how alejandro and heathers characters were
but yeah scott was just a weak villain, mal was only strong because the writting made all of the other characters worse, scarlett from tdpi was just insane for a show about teens, and sugar? (who i think was a antagonist) was jsut pretty weak
Shout out to Izzy bro she had five eliminations and was only in three seasons and also she manipulated literally everyone including chris!
Yeah she came back twice *(second chance)* in first and second season of the show
Julia had 2 seasons and 10 eliminations tied for 2nd most elims
Sorry, but Bowie is a better manipulator than Mal, he managed to manipulate Julia (the main villain) to work with him, so he can betray her easily. All Mal did was breaking stuff and rig the votes to get Cameron eliminated, which didn't work out either.
mal managed to eliminate the whole cast
courtney got destroyed on the spot
al couldnt do much cz nobody trusted him and mal advantaged it
scott got toast in the late game
cameron gone crazy
advantaging zoey's love to mike and manipulate her to hopeless chances
i wont countnie , have no power
@@NC3186 Mal had nothing to do with Lindsay, Lightning, Jo, Sam, Heather and Duncan's elimination
He was just bullying Cameron and attended to get him out by rigging the votes, not succeeding
The fact that nobody believed Al is just dumb luck, same for the fact that the other characters were dumbed down this season, so he was able to get away with everything he did every time
The only reason he made the finale is thanks to Zoey, if anyone else won the challenge he wouldn't have been picked
No hate, but Mal is not so good as a villain/manipulator and you seem to overrate him. I agree with the others though
He allowed Julia to straight abuse him 🤣 gets zero points for that he got lucky
@@jasonmartial113 It was a strategy... 🙄
@@entymash any strategy that allows u to get abused by someone and dominated by someone is a stupid dumb strategy and that can have anyone get tricked 😂 Bowie sucks just like he sucks 🍆 🤮
NOT MAL LMAO HE WAS SO GOOFY MY LEAST FAVOURITE CHARACTER
HELP HIS HAIR LOOKS LIKE THAT ONE EMO DUDES HAIR FROM BRAWL STARS OR SMTH
@@puzzlev1si0nnEdgar?
@@Monitor_Head yes
Mal wasn’t a whole character, that was the whole point of Mikes character. Mal is the goofy cartoon villain persona of Mike, created as a sort of protector persona when he was in the same juvenile prison as Duncan. Mal isn’t supposed to be a complex individual person, he’s supposed to be put into the whole context of Mike and the other personalities.
The worst thing Mal did was destroy boats and electronics
HEAR ME OUT
heather's way of manipulating people is pretty good but the only reason she got so much further than she should've in season 1 is because she got rng invincibility in the pirate treasure hunt challenge💀💀
ur right lmao
and that was luck
also cody getting mauled to death was crazy heather plot armour, and the cooking challenge because of some crazy superstition that everyone had with beth
the power of plot armor
W FACTS. if she didn't have invincibility she would've been good and gone.
Mal isn't a good manipulator, the writers had to put the another contestants IQ around 20 to make him work
20 iq is wheel chair
and no its not the case
the fandom are so dumb they had to make it so clear to the viewer to understand
@@NC3186really Zoe mikes girlfriend realized NOTHIGN Cameron THE PERSON WHO LITTERALLY HELPED MIKE WITH HIS PERSONALITES realized nothing Duncan the man who knew it was mal did nothing Uhuh sure buddy
@@NC3186Nah EVERYBODY was dumbed down for the sake of Mike's plot. They even nerfed Alejandro's physical strength to make Mal look threatening when he hurt Alejandro's wrist. If Mal had tried that in season 3 Alejandro would've folded his ass.
@@wah-- Mike has been known to be really fucking cracked when he is not fronting.
@@NC3186 examples of the all stars cast being dumbed down for Mal: (no hate btw I loved the video)
1. Zoe didn’t figure it out until near the end, and then decided to keep him in the game?
2. Alejandro went straight to Mal when he figured it out
3. Cameron (the one who figured out his mpd on his own), not realizing Mike was Mal
4. Courtney keeping a paper of her evil plans (why tf did she even wright them down they aren’t that hard to remember)
They're all Manipulators, but some took it further than the others. Some were naturally manipulative, and some tried act manipulative.
This news "evil" character is very good, great reboot.
They all would make for a great villain team.
oh boy do i have the season for you!
@@Emkitoand most people hated it
Mal and Scott???? Bro 💀💀💀
What’s wrong with Scott?
@RAX_THE_CAT the writers dumbed down the rest of the cast to make him seem more threatening than he actually was 😭
@@sablle5974 he still better than both of them becouse they are just mean
@@sablle5974 Litteraly
@@NC3186 I mean all Mal really did was break things
And Alejandro’s arm (THERES NO WAY BRO GAVE UP THAT EASILY I WAS GENUINELY LAUGHING 😭)
why did julia look like that old emoji face trend from 2020 or smt??
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IM SORRY BUT SVOTTS AUDICION TAPE IS SO FUNNY BC THE WAY HE SAYS PAPI HELP 😭😭😭
>TDI Heather
>Manipulator
Bro, I legit watched TDI since the beggining. But Bowie and Julia were better than Heather, girl legit just made it to the final 3 with pure luck lol
Heather had to much plot armor since ther merge. When Heather could have been booted to reach 7th or 6th place so easily.
Tbh, Julie was carried by challenges like Heather.
i guess julia did win challenges but for me julia is my 3rd, then alejandro, then heather
Exactly. All heather manipulated was two dumb chicks 😭
@@totaldramaaddicti haven’t seen the new season but al is at the top, heather at 3rd, and scott (ONLY FROM REVENGE) as my second.
bro fr tried to sneak mal in there
Hello! I'm watching TDI on netflix and there were 2 seasons. I haven't watched them all yet but yk i'm confused, did they replace the original characters with new ones or are the original characters still there? On the show? And is netflix airing all seasons or are there only two seasons?
@@kpop_shorts9968The OG cast will stay for three seasons then Chris will get a new cast for the 4th season and in the fifth season some OG characters will mix with the 4th season cast it was a horrible season
Courtney
Duncan
Heather
Gwen
Lindsay
Sierra
And Alejandro
The 6th season was a monstrosity called Pahkitew Island which had horrible plots and a brand new cast you should skip that season most of the characters are annoying af it was overall dodshit. Luckily for us, the 7th season was way better and had Noah, Owen, and Geoff come back it also had a new host named Don and he wasn't that bad. And sorry idk about season 8 cuz I only watched 5 episodes the season is available on BBC Iplayer just say ur from a random place in the UK and use a British VPN and you'll be good.
@@AC9X691 2 3 and 7th seasons are the best imo
@@Cyborg2457yea
@@Cyborg2457 but 4 was kinda good bc lightning
Alejandro and Heather are the originals 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Heather had plot armor. Should’ve been done for after the talent show episode. Alejandro was pretty good.
@@811brian pure fax
Heather and Alejandro perfect and very devious
Nawh bruh you did not just put Mal and Scott over Julia and Bowie nuh uh💀💀
nah no way you loterlly left a 2 sentences comment saying bruh nuh uh
Literally*
@@naptuness literlly go and find your own opinion instead of copying from others
Hell yea he did. Bowie only got julia out nothing more
@@NC3186 1. I’m not copying from others 2. Please get grammar/spelling lessons
Ok, I hope he means that they are good manipulators, not good villains in the show, because Julia and Bowie are some of the best villains the show has seen since Alejandro.
Why do I feel like Julia and Heather would either be manipulative besties or try to choke each other out
2nd option 🤞
A manipulator:Julia Bowie Alejandro
THE MANIPULATOR:Heather
I'll take Bowie and Julia over Scott and Mal any day😂 Scott was okay in ROTI, but became mid as hell in AS. And the less said about Mal the better
Mal & scott just destroyed the whole casts until cameron & mike got them eliminated which they did in top 4 and finale
They are way better
@@NC3186 Mal only “destroyed the whole cast” because the said “whole cast” was stupid. 😒
Scott was pretty good, but kinda goofy.
They definitely don’t beat Bowie or Julia though, not in a long shot. 😌
Scott and Mal manipulated the cast. Bowie only got julia out nothing more. Thats legit it. And Courtney over Julia any day
@@SuperCena-xj8eo all Mal did was break stuff, which is more of just an inconvenience since it didn’t really effect their ability to play
@@TotalDramaHarold Yea He tricked eveyone hes Mike. Tricked Zoey Cameron and whole lot of the hero team. By breaking stuff he broke Sara and Sem mentally.
Scott got nerfed into a punching bag in all stars 😢
Complete 180, I miss old devious Scott
Let's respect each other's opinions and stop spreading negativity✨✨
Finally someone who isn’t toxic
Justin is also a very good manipulator, he manipulated Lindsay, Beth, Eva, Izzy, and Owen throughout Total Drama Action
I love him but that’s only bc those girls were attracted to him. he was dumb as hell (respectfully, he was hilarious and i loved him)
@@RinneAmagisDefenseAttorneyliterally and rinne pfp 😭
@@davestriderenthusiast i love rinne
@@RinneAmagisDefenseAttorney me too
true facts. he had all the girls wrapped around his finer as soon as he stepped off of that boat💀💀
I can still hear Scott’s “oh zoeeee” when he was blackmailing Mike. Ughhh
Put Mal in the "manipulators" section, then it'll be perfect.
scott is surely a great character, but not the brightest villain, his plan of constantly making his team lose fell flat BUT he's still enjoyable and probably the only character I fully enjoyed in all stars (mostly bc he wasn't really a villain anymore) but mal...he was honestly pretty bad executed making everyone look dumb and thats writer's fault, not because mal was great. tho I don't think the idea of mike having a evil personality was a bad idea
Heather the goat character
I don’t understand a word the creator said in the replies.
real
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Why are we literally using the entire comment section just to tell the creator of the short to change who better, he/she won't change it anyways and the comments prob boost the vid in some way.
Julia front-faced view looks so goofy 😭
But we know that the most manipulative of total drama is Zee🤑🤑
fax
"I tell them storys about how I lost my leg but the truth is 👀I was born this way"
Hear me out, Edit: added Scott
Mal was actually a pretty good manipulator I mean at the beginning of the season he manipulated EVERYONE into thinking he’s mike
Scott wasn’t a rlly good manipulator buttt he got dawn out of the game BY MANIPULATING
Gurl.. Just bc one of your fav characters are out does not mean they are that bad but this time I kinda agree. Although I am not a Dawn fan more of a Scott Fan but not really that much, I feel that Scott is not really good as a manipulator but more as an antagonist
@@Anne_VonCleves True and that was only time Scott ever manipulated someone and Scott is also one of my favorites
Scott wasnt really a manipulator, just fucked shit up for his team, then blamed it on someone else.
Yup, and then, everyone votes out the person and scott is still in the game, so he gets to eliminate everyone that he wants
Alejandro had literally EVERY girl manipulated into falling for him. Guess the only one who was worthy of his love was heather
Putting Mal and Scott in the same category as Heather and Alejandro is a crime.
Scott or Alejandro is prolly one of the most manipulative, Heather is close
@RAX_THE_CAT except alejandro couldnt manipulater noah & izzy
And mal got destroyed wo beauttifully by alejandro with who cheated against cameron
@@NC3186 as well as heather and Duncan
@RAX_THE_CAT mal did not really manipulate anyone, he just pretended to be mike to have the ability to not be voted out and stuff
@GumcrackXD Mal had literally little to no strategy and all his strategy’s made 0 sense
NAHHHHHHH BRO SCOTT IS A COUNTRY BOY- heather could beat him even more-💀💀💀💀
They ARE manipulators, just the new generation ones
FINALLY SOMEONE POINTS IT OUT!! just bc they are new does not mean they are bad at manipulating
@@Anne_VonClevesEXACTLY
apparently some people didnt actually watch the show bc mal manipulated a bunch of people including mike, the literal person he is a part of. scott manipulated everyone on his team to vote dawn off for pretty much no reason
well she was the only one who knew his secret so she had to be voted off if she hadnt voted off she would potentially tell some people leading to them doubting his leadership or cooperations and would ultimately lead to his downfall. He cant just infinitely find mclane invincibilities and literally scott is like a top tier manipulator and player but he got nerfed hard in all stars. Scott literally not only manipulated the whole team but the game to he constantly tricked the game and sabatoging his team so they he wouldnt have a chance of getting voted off.
ima stop you right there
ima make a list bc it’s more convenient
1. the only reason mal is “considered a threat” (not really) is because the writers were actually a bunch of monkeys who made all the characters have smooth monkey brains
2. although mal did technically manipulate zoey and cameron, that’s kind of it. even if you consider it manipulating and not bad writing, that’s only 2 people, while heather and alejandro out eat them heavily, and I think julia does too.
3. scott has no strategy in reality. his entire “plan” is to ruin his team, and then depend on immunity and invincibility statues which is a really stupid strategy, especially for TOTAL DRAMA
so yeah these 2 “villains” are not the sharpest tools in the shed
@@m._anuDR the writers making somebody stupid bs doesnt make sense that is called "plot" 🙉 shocked monkey
@@m._anuDR that was his main plan the other plans were well thought off (not well prepared) but scott is def one of the best manipulators
@@annoyingpoc698 regardless of their "plot", compared to the other competitors, Mal is pathetic and only was able to be considered a villain because of the writers stupid decisions and the seasons horrible circumstances
I love how Heather and Alejandro got back together as the manipulators 😂😂😂
its hard to take Julia seriously and call her "manipulator" when other characters become extremely dumb when she "manipulates".
def agree
Okay, I know everybody hates Mal, but listen. He was literally able to manipulate the whole entire All Stars cast, and since Zoey was head over heels for Mike, he was able to get to the finale. He sabotaged challenges, (For example: the ice cream challenge, boat race challenge, etc.), and was able to get everyone to believe that Alejandro let Cam fall during the mining challenge, even though Alejandro made an attempt to help Cam. Mal was also easily able to get on Chris good side since they both liked scary things. (Can be seen in the ice cream challenge, when Chris “forgot” to feed his interns, and when Mal was able to stay in the game because he brought back in injured competitor a.k.a Scott in the pirate loot challenge.) He tampered with the votes by making multiple copies of Cameron, tried for form an alliance with Alejandro, tried to form ANOTHER alliance with Zoey, and Cam. Not to mention that he already knew a lot about the game, when he first got introduced, was good at challenges, which also played a part with him making it to the final 2. I can pretty much guarantee you that if Mike had been in control, the whole season, he wouldn’t have made it as far as he did. Mal literally did ALL of this while pretending to be Mike. If that’s not master manipulating, than I don’t know what is.
BRO CHRIS WAS THE BEST ANTAGONIST
True, but he isn't a manipulator since he's completely upfront with his evil deeds, he doesn't try to hide them. Only reason he doesn't get in trouble is because he's in charge and promised them a chance at lots of money for competing
all of the characters In this video are great antagonists I would say Julia is a manipulator she did manipulate her fans which was like 300 pre TDI Reboot (and I mean in canon) into thinking she was this kind chill girl when she is a pretty bad person
mal and scott go brr
Esta re bueno la música y el movimiento de los personajes 😎😎👍🏻👍🏻👊🏻👊🏻
Julia didn't manipulate anyone. Her whole strategy revolved around winning challenges once it came out that she was a bully.
welcome to being 1 out of only 100 people who sees that and wasnt effected by her 👍
Manipulators Are The Best Characters Appearently.
Nopr
@@NC3186, Oh, Yeah? Then, Why Are Julia and Bowie Likable?
@@PCMan8922 thats your though i hate julia and want to k1l bowie burning alive
@@PCMan8922 not everyone will agree with you kid
@@NC3186, But Most Fans Will.
Izzy is best manipulator. Ends there.
The "Izzy isn't crazy" theory🤔
The only reason Mal was a "good" manipulator was because total drama made every other character weak and a complete idiot 💀 All he really did was break things and laugh evil-ly for the fun of it
@@NC3186I'm not wrong though lol😅
@@nezuko5377 you are and you arent at the same time
You are because... its not true
But you arent because an opinion is qn opinion
@@NC3186 I respect you for respecting opinions, and I say the same thing back to you 😁
@@nezuko5377 ty and alr
@@NC3186 np! Thanks for understanding
mal as a "Manipulator 😈" feels insulting considering its the same level as heather and alejandro in the video, they literally dumbed down every character just so mal could have plot armor and make it to the final 2 in the most anticlimactic way since zoey figures it out before the finale
mal is not a better manipulator than bowie or julia bro 😭💀💀
Izzy deserves to be in there. SHE MANIPULATED THE CREATOR OF TOTAL DRAMA (chris)
Julia is literally Blainly in disguise
Blainly >>>>>>>>
@@NC3186 no
@@xxstrawbeariesxx6621 next time it will be better with you say disagree than no
Ok even if mal is the worst character in the series I still think that because of his power of plot armor he would probably destroy both of them. I mean mal has some super power to make everyone around him dumb so writers probably would make them as idiot to make him look intimidating and threatening lmao. But let's be honest we all know julia and bowie >>>>>>> mal
2023 cast is d4mbest cast
Damien & mk are fine
@@NC3186 hell no most of characters actually had some strategies meanwhile pakithew cast look like they escaped asylum 💀
Alejandro is so good that he even manipulated me at first 😭 💀
Justin rn: 👁️👄👁️
First 3 seasons>>>>>
and race
Action and WT had such a step down in quality from plots flanderzantion etc. Island is Amazing but it's dragged down by Heather's massive plot armor and Poorly unexplained/BS eliminations
I cant believe blaineley isn't here she literally maniplulate chef
well chef isnt smart tho
Naw
Alejandro and heather get the crown 👑
Tbh Julia was more of a manipulator than Bowie. Bowie had to eliminate Julia because she was way better than Bowie in the challenges. Even Julia says it herself saying she has beaten Bowie more times than she could count. That’s why Bowie had to eliminate her because he couldn’t stand a chance.
UA-cam kinda got me into TDI.
I'm sorry but Bowie and Julia were way better than Mal and Scott, both of their tactics literally sucked. Scott sabotaging his team only works for the first few challenges because then you actually need players to win against the other teams to save yourself. He then got super dumbed down in All Stars. Mal literally just antagonized Cameron and broke other people's stuff. Bowie was way more strategic than all of them even making it to the finals, and Julia only got found out later in the season and managed to dominate the competition making it to 4th.
Julia is a great manipulator , im convinced
i love julia but she didn't manipulate anyone she's just a villain
edit after season 2: i was saying..
"just a villain" go drink some oxycotin you dumbo
Bro included Mal 💀💀💀
I mean Mal managed to convince almost everyone that he was normal and not even his girlfriend noticed
In order to make mal look good they had to make every character stupid
@@HasanDaaderfr they needed Sierra to the ground and Zoey what happened to her commando form??And also scoot he was so weak like no they just made them idiots for no reason
Heather and Alejandro matipulated the contestants...
*Izzy manipulated CHRIS.*
“Old its good new its bad” i tough we passed that
in total drama its true
your no special everyone say this specific sentence but thinking julia & bowie are better just because they are new and not old is dumbness
@@NC3186 its kinda this opposite tbh lol thinking the og are better just cuz they are og its dumb. Julia is a queen as well, if she was in the og cast yall would also love her but cuz she is in the new version yall think shes less
@@itnas198 i wouldnt love her
1. she is a cheap heather copy
2. i dont even like heather.
look at your pfp your clearly a poor girl
@@NC3186 LOL im not even a girl. And even if i was poor what this have to do with anything 😭 get a life
courtney: What about me? I'm calling my lawyers.
Courtney only manipulated Duncan😃
Courtney isn't a villain. She was just the antagonist of TDA
@@Dmonmilmore like Justin he came back for a reason
I can get Scott, but Mal? Hell nah.
i can get scott, but your comment? Hell nah.
@@NC3186mal barely manipulated anyone. He mostly just sabotaged and manipulated his friends, who had insane trust in him. Still a great villian. But i wouldn’t rank him up there with scott or al or even heather myself.
Scott is also bad,he was always a goofy man but he only got advantage in season 4 bc he was playing with noobs,in season 5 they had all the master minds,the pros,he cant manipulate those at all so he just looked like a goofy weak one
@@-DCComicEditor-Bro wdym he literally got the rest whole cast out
@@Alexis_summer No he didn't, the only person he got eliminated was Courtney.
Heather and Alejandro were genetically programmed to fall in-love 🗿
Heather is 100% a manipulator and Alejandro, personally a lot of people might be like Chris
but everyone already knows what’s going on so Chris isn’t a Manipulator more like an antagonist
When people are talking about the antagonist feel free to mention Chris all you want, but heather
and Alejandro and definitely the manipulators watch Season 1 , 2 and 3 and come back to me before
you can disagree (watch the show first :D)
P.S I know it’s not that deep ❤
Im gonna rant just a bit. Personally, Scot and Mal are not good at manipulation. I cannot talk about the newer season bc i have not watched it. And btw have you heard of the "Izzy isnt Crazy" theory? It is really good and makes a lot of sense and it also kinda shows her manipulating everyone pretty well. I totally agree that Heather and Alejandro are good at manipulating tho, great vid!
I mean Mal and Scott are kind of L's in my book
Fr
They are w's in my book
2nd! Also Heather slays✨
heather is my queen
The reason Izzy isn’t here because she Mastered Manipulation
Justin was more manipulative than Mal lol
Actually, julia manipulate the social media so julia is queen of manipulator
U kiddidng right?
@@NC3186 No, Heather and Alejandro manipulate many contestants but julia? She manipulate the social media, shes pretending to be an nice, calm influencer but in reality shes a judgemental
@@NC3186 Heather was also terrible villain who survived off luck even in the writers admitted in playa da losers if everyone hated her how did she make finale and then deflected with a joke
@@TotalAnalyst2 Nah she had alliances with others and crosstrainer fingers with promises to vote others out
@@SuperCena-xj8eo but she ended most of those alliances example when she has Gwen's diary she could have used to blackmail into joining her alliance maybe even getting Cody Trent and Leshwana to vote whoever she wants getting her full control of who goes home instead she reads it amd sacrifices Justin a good meat shield she could have saved later just got lucky Cody or Justin voted for someone else or that her alliance didn't turn her or Izzy or Owen did not change their minds as there proven to be to be unpredictable all for what to put how target on back making harder to make alliances in the merge or even avoid elmantion since she is pretty hates on top Gwen has Cody Leshwana and Trent who outnumber alliance and could easily vote her off if not for her plot armor. She got lucky plenty of times like people believing in Beth's Curse getting immunity luckily when her stunt with Trent depended Trent being a moron and Gwen telling someone is still increased target on her back and if not for the pass she got out of luck they would rather voted her off than Trent what about Eva returning during the first merge challenge making her a meat shield for Heather again what about everyone in playa da losers acting like morons and Chris tricking Leshwana out. Also her get lucky the votes in Izzy elmantion sure she made a alliance with Duncan that was forgotten about next episode but even with Geoff that's not enough votes Izzy won't vote herself off Owen won't vote off his girlfriend Gwen and Leshwana hate Heather there is nothing confirming Duncan forced Owen to vote for Izzy. Also there are also her many immunity wins out of luck Heather is amazing character and plot wise she is great MV because of how funny and iconic but as a strategist she is leagues below Alejandro Scott Bowie Julia Ice Dancers TDI Duncan(he is the secondary villain)
Mal was the ultimate manipulator
That’s sarcasm, right?
Julia wasn't a manipulator really she just won every challenge so she could be rude to everyone
Good job your the first to notice in my comments 💪
It’s the way Justin isn’t here…👀
Having mal there up there with heather Alejandro and Scott is a crime
If you're ever cooking, I'm leaving the kitchen.
No one beats original
fax is fax and nothing else.
Everyone beats Mal
@@andygiraldo7898nah Mal is just better
Bro tried to sneak Mal in💀
Bowie deserves more recognition as a Villian tbh. He got rid of Julia, Caleb, Millie, Axel, and Chase
mal is a good Manipulator then only reason people are raging at him is because of the season
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Haters gonna hate as they say
the first girl😍
*bro*
more like the first girl 🤢
Wth-
@@woahbuncherz julia’s kinda bad tho ngl
Bowie was really straight up about everything.
Izzy beats everyone if she was able to manipulate Chris into eliminating Kaleidoscope so she could return as Izzy.
GURL YOU SLAYEDDD THIS EDITYTTT 🔛🔝🔛🔝
Izzy gashlighted Chris into booting escope and bullshit her way back in, twice.
Chris manipulated lots of people to compete and ended up torturing 💀
_Money_
@@EEErmine Money-mine
Well Julia manipulated the whole world that she is a nice calming person
“Mal-ipulator” 💀💀💀💀💀