Josh can't come to terms with the fact that if you lose to a bad team at home (as in Ole Miss) it doesn't matter what happens. The real problem with the rankings is that Notre Dame isn't being punished enough for their loss to NIU. ND should be like 13th with SMU and Boise ahead of the two loss SEC teams (ND win against GT without King does not justify them being ahead of Miami).
The problem with your last point is that we don't know how good teams are going to be at the start of the season. We are guessing. Everyone thought that Oklahoma State was going to be dominant this year. Instead they aren't that good. That makes the loss to them(looking at you Arkansas) or a victory over them(Utah) look worse. The season is the prooving ground. I agree with you if there are key injuries, because that can change things, but for the most part the adjustment is just expectations meeting reality.
You didn’t circle back to the SMU situation, where wins and losses apparently aren’t the metric being used to CFP rank them. If not “bias”- either logo or conference, it does seem that different logic or different metrics are applied based on which team or conference is being looked at. Indiana may have a “good” loss to Ohio State but be punished harshly for it, BYU may lose the Big12 championship and get punished for it despite going undefeated through the regular season, Georgia may have 3 losses and still get into the playoffs…..
Last when the left Florida State out set a precedent. Put in the best TV matchups that are justifiable. Miami is at 9 because of their logo. SMU is down because of their logo.
Tell the SEC to play 9 conference games… no one ever complained when Ole Miss played Furman, middle Tennessee, wake forest and Georgia southern… every single SEC team has 3 cupcakes on the schedule… some have 4
I think the SEC is doing well this year and a lot of the SEC teams in the top 25 are ok in my opinion. I dont think the bias is fundamentally or significantly skewing the rankings in SEC favor (currently). I do think that the generalized way we talk/think about the SEC is biased though and we continually give those teams the benefit of the doubt in the way we talk about them. It would be interesting to do a sentiment analysis on positive remarks for SEC teams compared to non SEC teams (it would be stupidly difficult to do though). My issue has always been that (it seems) we tend to talk about all the positives of the SEC but we mostly talk negatively about other teams. If the way we talk is really what we are thinking, then our thought process appears to have a halo effect for the SEC.
Stength of schedule determined before the season starts is flawed. How many times is a team expected to go 4-8 and goes 10-2. Everyone who played that team would have gotten a ding in their strength of schedule when that 10-2 team was stronger than expected. There is so much turnover with coaching staff and transfers that ranking strength of schedule before a single down has been played in the preseason is less exact of a science than in the past.
The problem comes when there is a committee and rankings. This overemphasizes overrated teams in certain select conferences. Having so many teams from the Big "10" and SEC shows this. Keep it simple...conference champs and a few select at-large berths. As soon as u introduce the idea of a committee deciding who is " better", then all credibility is lost.
12:23 - Perfectly articulates what Indiana took from Nebraska with its 56-7 beat down of the then 5-1 Cornhuskers. Week 12: Nebraska’s still looking for bowl eligibility, and Indiana “hasn’t played anyone”. 🙄🤦🏽♂️
All of this is why I have been a staunch supporter of computer rankings, as long as the metrics are appropriate. The problem with the BCS was that the format for which we chose our champion only allowed for the top 2 teams. The BCS with a playoff in place would be fantastic. Tell me why I'm wrong.
I'm with you. Composites of multiple computer rankings are usually the fairest, imho. Us humans are very biased. I hate the phrase "eye test". Everybody's eyes are different. Some people's eyes are far more educated about what they're seeing than others, and nobody sees everything.
Haha. Everyone saying Indiana is the poster child for being solely rewarded for a weak schedule but they would be comfortably in the playoffs based on almost any computer ranking.
Fair and balanced analysis. I would only add: to be ranked in the top 5, I think a team should need to beat someone really good. Penn State has not beaten anyone really good. It hurts the credibility if the committee to rank penn state so high. Rank em anywhere you want between 8 and 12, but not higher.
Boise state is the most hurt by this system. Original rankings came out. Boise had 59th SOS and Notre Dame had 77th Mathematical impossibility for Notre dame to be ahead of Boise State. Not possible.
Wait let me get this straight... do we not hear every single year including this one that the SEC losses mean less because of how tough the conference is? are we not talking about how Alabama and Georgia still have a shot to win it all with 2 loses? The committee is ABSOLUTELY taking strength of schedule into consideration
Not really. Texas is #3 despite losing their only tough game. Penn St is #4 despite losing their only tough game, Indiana is #5 despite having ZERO tough games. Georgia is #12 despite having a ridiculous schedule and a win over #3 Texas...
I don't know what some people mean about Georgia being "screwed". They have 2 losses, and they've looked like crap. Stop looking at the past 3 years: look at this year!
More top 25 games away/at neutral sites (4) than home games total (3). Lost to 2 teams inside the top 12 on the road but also ragdolled #3 on the road. IU’s best win is against 5-5 Michigan at home by 5. PSU’s hanging their hat on keeping it close with OSU at home. ND lost to a bad NIU team at home. Miami has looked bad, the list goes on. But yeah let’s punish Georgia for looking “bad” in the name of fairness when the argument really stems from anti-SEC bias
Georgia still has 2 games against Tennessee and GT (based on how they're viewing Miami) to make enough of an argument to be included in the playoff - if they don't get included it will likely be their own fault.
This take is so lazy. These schedules are night and day different. Look at the Big Ten schedules vs SEC schedules. Can't boast about being undefeated or having one loss when you haven't even played a top 50 team.
To the argument that the "way to go is easy schedules like Indiana", no, the way to go is to win the games on your schedule regardless of who is on it.
If Tennessee beats Georgia they are #1 in the SEC great! If they lose they'll be like #14 and out of the playoffs? These people are like the government. No matter what you do with the playoffs format the committee will mess it up.
Except SOS is flawed because it assume the preseason polls were right, and everyonebwas willing to adjust correctly after it was proven wron. No proof, just opinion.
I appreciate the Jessie fight analogy (poor Jessie) GeoTech beating FSU in week zero was a huge win- fast forward and nobody thinks that was an upset. FSU was thought to be strong (a “+” on a strength of schedule opponent) but after SMU beat the snot out of them and DJU got hurt FSU became a “-“ on strength of schedule for not just everyone going forward, but even for GeoTech retroactively. Same with the LSU theory- playing a team while they are hot/ranked/undefeated/pre-injuries should count for a “+” win instead of a “-“ retroactively after that team’s season spirals for whatever reason.
They aren’t mid though lol they are all great the issue is that they are not all on the same level in conference so while they all are great teams they cannot all be ranked as they cannot all be winning. Likewise someone has to lose and ironically the only SEC team with an out of conference lost is to a top 7 ranked Notre Dame. It’s not bias it’s truth. The SEC this year is much better than last year. The problem is they all have tougher schedules than almost every other conference so it’s easier to lose. Avg and mid teams are honestly being rewarded for bad play and terrible opponents while great teams are being penalized for playing better competition.
8:46 What you said was not a fact. WATER ISN'T WET. Water can make other things wet because everything doesn't have moisture. So, if I DUMP A BUCKET OF WATER ON YOUR SHIRT then it is wet.
semantics; scientifically water molecules adhere to each other in a process called "wetting". Plus if you put Ice (which is water) into a glass of water, is the ice not wet??? Water is wet.
@@TheBlackAztec3 No, there is no effect it neither dry or wet. It's just a liquid that makes other things wet. Saying water is wet is implying there is a dry state which there is not.
@@juneBug-kage No, water is the liquid that makes other things wet and let's say we take one molecule of the water by itself it isn't wet because it is the liquid that makes other things wet. Also for the ice you are temporarily changing its property into a solid so therefore it isn't the same. While the surface of a ice can be wet it can also be dry at the beginning stages. When water is a liquid it cannot be dry.
I think you’re thinking about it too one-dimensionally. A lot of times the “reward” is having these games against top teams make you better. A&M is a better team precisely because Notre Dame exposed to them exactly what they need to improve on and where they were deficient, so they’ve been able to spend the whole season working on just that
Whoa whoa whoa, are you suggesting to make a deep run post-season in college football you need minimal losses?! That’s crazy, it’s almost like it was the exact same under the 4 team playoff, the BCS, and the AP system prior to that
@@Hoodooboiiiinailed it. Had plenty of undefeated teams in the past not make it to the BCS/4 team playoff due to weak schedule. Now they can make it so why schedule anyone tough?
Exactly lmao. The cognitive dissonance is hurting my brain. Big fan of Josh love the show but his ‘rEgUlAr sEaSoN gAmEs dOnT mEAn anYtHiNg aNyMorE’ take is consistently the worst. College football needed to grow up lol. If you want to properly crown a championship in a football league of 30+ teams yet alone 100+ you simply need a playoff.
@johns1367 Except that Loiusville was not ranked when Miami beat them with help from the refs like they won against Cal, Virginia Tech and then lost to Georgia Tech.
@johns1367 dude, how many times you gonna be wrong? 1. Louisville wasn't ranked when miami struggled out a w 2. They are ranked 22nd not 19th lol. It doesn't matter cause my statement stands. 0.00 ranked wins all season. You casuals crack me up.
@@seekingthetruth2748 you crack me up. So we should credit Georgia teach for beating the #10 Florida state team when they played. Get out of here with that tomfoolery. Louisville lambasted Clemson who everyone was crowning the gold standard in the ACC and have only lost to Notre dame and SMU. And look up Miami’s SOS compared to the top 12 teams before you utter their name again.
One college coach said it best, "it isn't about potential, it is about production". I thought about that quote and figured that that is a brilliant thought. That takes any bias out of the equation.
Oh nooo. Now sec teams will schedule 4 cupcake games instead of 3. We already had very little marquee OOC matchups to begin with. Its not our fault the top two conferences wanted to stack powerhouse schools and now they're feeling the effect.
Yes I don’t think Tennessee would wipe the floor with Indiana and BYU. Both of those teams are much better than Arkansas and Florida who Tenn struggled against. Tenn would probably win against both those teams, but it would absolutely be close.
I think Tennessee could handle IU,though I think BYU could give Tennessee a run for its money.And while I would pick UT to win,I also wouldn't be very shocked if BYU were to win.Thier defense is legit
@@TMAC803210Both of those teams are worse than Arkansas and Florida lmao. Of course BYU and Indiana look like studs against the garbage they play(besides smu). Florida has been looking good against quarlity teams as of late
Texas scheduled Alabama as their out of conference 2 years in a row, followed by Michigan (no one knew they’d be bad when it was scheduled), and Ohio State is scheduled for the 2 next years!!
Let’s just make it so power 4 schools can only play other power 4 schools, unless a bowl game. Yes I know some small school need that money and etc etc. but with the new playoff format we need to focus on playing good games. And yes I know there’s a different between Ohio state and Purdue. But still at least power 4 only schedules would help with some of the issues
I hate that the Big 10 & SEC conference championship game won’t really matter, if Ole Miss, misses the game entirely, but then is still in, they will have had time off, but still made it
The ends justify the means. Good post season football with full rosters and no matter who is #13 every team with legitimate chances to win the natty is in the bracket. Nothing is perfect but two huge problems were fixed.
Hearing what benefit is there well it will keep tradition show you not afraid to play teams who will test you. Getting rid of big games non conference creates cupcake schedules
I mean, BYU has a better record, better sor, AND better sos than Texas, yet they're ranked a few spots below them. I guess this doesn't apply across the board. 🤷🏻♀️
So what I'm hearing is Vandy is the 13 year old that came along after Georgia's 2nd half almost-comeback against Bama. (Don't take it too serious, all respect to Vandy)
At what point, in other words, when do we as fans vs. the committee, consider a team to be legit(or worth a playoff spot (top 12))? How many wins does it take? Indiana has 10 and has 0 losses with a SoS of 100 out of 134 teams. Its remaining SoS is 8th. Winning 10 games alone in D1 football is not easy. Have played any top tier teams? Debatable. But the way they beat teams, dominating Nebraska 56-7, beating an Ok Washington team 31-17, and dominating Michigan St 47-10. A lot of B-tier Big ten teams, but the way they beat these teams is something to not bat your head at.
If it wasn't for the win over Texas A&M, Notre Dame would likely not be in the conversation at all due to their loss to N. Illinois. That win is definitely counting for something. Some people seem to think that "reward for scheduling big games" should equal "losses don't count at all." Which is nonsense. Everybody's got their panties in a twist about Georgia...have you watched Georgia play this year? This is the worst Georgia team since 2016. The only game this year where Georgia has looked like *Georgia* was that opener against Clemson. They had a great defensive performance against Texas, but their offense still couldn't put up 300 yards in that game. I'd say #12 for Georgia is probably about right, based on what we've seen.
Notre Dame also best Louisville (now ranked 15) and destroyed Navy shen it was ranked. Nortre Dame alsp plays a ranked Army team next week. They would be an exaple of a team thst obviously deserves to be ranked ahead of Penn St, which has zero ranked wins.
I've suspected Penn St. and Wisconsin for years. They don't win their conference much, and not anytime recently. The B1G usually has Ohio St winning it. The SEC has multiple national champions within, and more than the other conferences combined since 2000. Miami, BYU and Illinois would likely lose to either Alabama, Ole Miss, or Tennessee. Of this week's top SEC teams ranked, Georgia looks to be the weakest team, but could win it all.
I heard that Miami is ranked higher than SMU because of Cam Ward. So one person makes the team. Should we just have the qbs play against each other only. Such nonsense. Miami has had an easy schedule and won some games they should have lost with help from the refs.
No, no, no. We were told every system was a crime against humanity and the only thing that would make everything perfect was a committee, and four teams, and twelve teams. Maybe fourteen teams! We were told this would solve it all! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
I think people lose sight of the big picture with this stuff. At the end of the day we want to see entertaining games. So I think the committee needs to reward those teams that play tough games that give us entertainment, not those teams that don’t play anyone of similar talent until the end of the year
I get what you’re saying when it comes to Penn State and IU appearing to be ranked highly, but who would you put over them? IU has a weak schedule but beats the brakes off every team they play, and Penn State’s only loss is to the #2 team. There’s an argument to be made for BYU, but 7-11 all have losses to unranked programs. Sure, they have tougher schedules and some ranked wins, but Tennessee lost to Arkansas, ND lost to NIU, Miami lost to GT, Bama lost to Vandy, and Ole Miss lost to Kentucky. Just doesn’t make sense to move any of these teams up when they’ve slipped against the type of teams Indiana and Penn State have beat.
Based off what? They have 2 top 25 wins over South Carolina and Ole Miss who just knocked off UGA. LSU absolutely belongs in the top 25. Just say you don't know ball next time
Josh doesn't realize that the committee members changev every 3 years, and who ever said that 3 years ago, probably aint there any more. Also im sure not every committee member doesn't hold strength of schedule as top priority. Each member is going to have there own determination of how they rank these teams. The committee isn't a single entity, but instead is a a bunch of individual members working together to determine a set system. Also you notice how Josh says nothing about Texas's schedule. Texas biggest win was Vandy, by 3 points. Yet he has no problen with a SEC team who has a not so good win schedule. Yet he points out BIG 10 teams. I think Indiana beating a 1 loss healthy Nebraska team by 49 points, was a better win then a 3 point texas win over Vandy team.
Your argument is circular Josh. Preseason rankings assume the SEC is dominate, and every ranking thereafter assume the previous ranking was pretty much correct. Maybe Alabama losing to Vanderbilt is proof there are major problems there and they are very beatable by a number of teams especially when not at home. Georgia has proven by the crazy amount of turnovers they aren't a safe bet at all and that trend isn't going away. LSU has holes everywhere. That isn't to say any of the teams playing ball don't have trouble, but the SEC was overrepresented as usual in the preseason top 25 and they are always given the benefit of the doubt because of that.
The incestuous nature of College Football schedules makes the transitive comparison of teams incredibly hard. I don't envy anyone trying to make the playoff selections "FAIR".
How dumb is it not to punish 2 loss teams & stupidly considering putting a 3 loss Ga, Bana or brand name in the playoffs with 3 losses? Vanderbilt wasn't considered tough when Bana scheduled them for an easy W. Bana would have 4 ior 5 losses with Florida's schedule
I love ya Josh but the cognitive dissonance of arguing simultaneously that big games are devalued and deincentivised by a 12 team playoff because you are punished for losing, while also pining for the good old days when regular season games ‘meant more’ because there was no safety net and losing them mean elimination from national title contention is making my head spin. How in the world does a playoff de incentivize scheduling big regular seasons more than the days where 2 teams made the playoff aka national championship game?
The way to do it is how georgia did it every year they won they played shitty teams all yr long and the highest ranked team they played was tennessee so they got a free ride to the championship every yr..Ohio state is doing it now
It’s a possibility that a two lost SEC team make it to the SEC championship game, and if they get beat that might put them out of the playoffs. It’s not fair if the second best team in the SEC get put out of making the playoffs by losing the SEC championship game.
When Florida State was left out last year it set a precedent that the committee will put in the best TV matchups that are justifiable. That’s why Miami is at #9 and SMU is #14.
Amazing how you think it's smart & not cowardly lion like, for a Bama, Ga or Ohio St to schedule cupcakes, then force the committee to leave them out. NO 3 LOSS TEAMS DESERVES A PLAYOFF SPOT & YOU CANT LABEL THEM AS THE BEST OF 12 WITH 3 LOSSES.
FSU last year was a preface for what’s to come. This 12 team shit doesn’t change the fact that greed will keep undefeated teams out bc they’re not in the group of 4. I wanna see new teams compete sure they may get blasted but let them play. Who knows 🤷🏻♂️
That argument is flawed. The reason early-season games against tough, ranked opponents are important is that if you win and look strong, like Georgia initially did, you can remain in the top three even with a loss. However, if you lose a second game and struggle in close matchups against teams you should dominate, as Georgia did, you’re going to be penalized. Indiana is ranked ahead of those teams because they’re undefeated, while teams with multiple losses have looked inconsistent and shaky. If Georgia or Texas A&M were undefeated or had just one loss, they’d undoubtedly be in the top five, likely even #1 if undefeated, without question. Stop complaining.
It pretty much give you insurance on a loss later down the season. If you win one of those games. The fact people don't understand that is just silly. Indiana does not have the insurance. If they lose one game, they will drop to maybe barely being in the CFP, and Penn State definitely won't stay in with an additional loss. That is why you get one of those wins preseason.
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Your theory about the quality of a win at the moment presents preseason ranking problems.
Josh can't come to terms with the fact that if you lose to a bad team at home (as in Ole Miss) it doesn't matter what happens. The real problem with the rankings is that Notre Dame isn't being punished enough for their loss to NIU. ND should be like 13th with SMU and Boise ahead of the two loss SEC teams (ND win against GT without King does not justify them being ahead of Miami).
JP can we please remove strength of schedule? Then apply it when it should be used…After the regular season. Please and Thank You
You mean you don't want a 7-5 team with a strong SOS to be ranked number 1? How dare you.
@@SurfCityBilljosh certainly does lmao
The problem with your last point is that we don't know how good teams are going to be at the start of the season. We are guessing. Everyone thought that Oklahoma State was going to be dominant this year. Instead they aren't that good. That makes the loss to them(looking at you Arkansas) or a victory over them(Utah) look worse. The season is the prooving ground.
I agree with you if there are key injuries, because that can change things, but for the most part the adjustment is just expectations meeting reality.
You didn’t circle back to the SMU situation, where wins and losses apparently aren’t the metric being used to CFP rank them. If not “bias”- either logo or conference, it does seem that different logic or different metrics are applied based on which team or conference is being looked at. Indiana may have a “good” loss to Ohio State but be punished harshly for it, BYU may lose the Big12 championship and get punished for it despite going undefeated through the regular season, Georgia may have 3 losses and still get into the playoffs…..
Last when the left Florida State out set a precedent. Put in the best TV matchups that are justifiable. Miami is at 9 because of their logo. SMU is down because of their logo.
Tell the SEC to play 9 conference games… no one ever complained when Ole Miss played Furman, middle Tennessee, wake forest and Georgia southern… every single SEC team has 3 cupcakes on the schedule… some have 4
I think the SEC is doing well this year and a lot of the SEC teams in the top 25 are ok in my opinion. I dont think the bias is fundamentally or significantly skewing the rankings in SEC favor (currently). I do think that the generalized way we talk/think about the SEC is biased though and we continually give those teams the benefit of the doubt in the way we talk about them. It would be interesting to do a sentiment analysis on positive remarks for SEC teams compared to non SEC teams (it would be stupidly difficult to do though). My issue has always been that (it seems) we tend to talk about all the positives of the SEC but we mostly talk negatively about other teams. If the way we talk is really what we are thinking, then our thought process appears to have a halo effect for the SEC.
Stength of schedule determined before the season starts is flawed. How many times is a team expected to go 4-8 and goes 10-2. Everyone who played that team would have gotten a ding in their strength of schedule when that 10-2 team was stronger than expected. There is so much turnover with coaching staff and transfers that ranking strength of schedule before a single down has been played in the preseason is less exact of a science than in the past.
The problem comes when there is a committee and rankings. This overemphasizes overrated teams in certain select conferences. Having so many teams from the Big "10" and SEC shows this. Keep it simple...conference champs and a few select at-large berths. As soon as u introduce the idea of a committee deciding who is " better", then all credibility is lost.
“Head to the bakery and load up on cupcakes” is an instant all-timer with how future schedules will be constructed 😂😂
12:23 - Perfectly articulates what Indiana took from Nebraska with its 56-7 beat down of the then 5-1 Cornhuskers. Week 12: Nebraska’s still looking for bowl eligibility, and Indiana “hasn’t played anyone”. 🙄🤦🏽♂️
All of this is why I have been a staunch supporter of computer rankings, as long as the metrics are appropriate. The problem with the BCS was that the format for which we chose our champion only allowed for the top 2 teams. The BCS with a playoff in place would be fantastic. Tell me why I'm wrong.
The computer rankings were only 1/3 of the BCS formula. And most of the time, the committee has the same rankings as the BCS formula.
@@MBarberfan4life I forgot the BCS was a composite ranking!
Agreed. I think the format of the BCS rankings should be brought back to the CFP
I'm with you. Composites of multiple computer rankings are usually the fairest, imho.
Us humans are very biased. I hate the phrase "eye test". Everybody's eyes are different. Some people's eyes are far more educated about what they're seeing than others, and nobody sees everything.
Haha. Everyone saying Indiana is the poster child for being solely rewarded for a weak schedule but they would be comfortably in the playoffs based on almost any computer ranking.
Fair and balanced analysis. I would only add: to be ranked in the top 5, I think a team should need to beat someone really good. Penn State has not beaten anyone really good. It hurts the credibility if the committee to rank penn state so high. Rank em anywhere you want between 8 and 12, but not higher.
100% agree. Penn State, Indiana, and BYU are all ranked too high!
Boise state is the most hurt by this system. Original rankings came out. Boise had 59th SOS and Notre Dame had 77th Mathematical impossibility for Notre dame to be ahead of Boise State. Not possible.
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Wait let me get this straight... do we not hear every single year including this one that the SEC losses mean less because of how tough the conference is? are we not talking about how Alabama and Georgia still have a shot to win it all with 2 loses? The committee is ABSOLUTELY taking strength of schedule into consideration
If they were taking strength of schedule into consideration Indiana wouldn’t be there.
Not really. Texas is #3 despite losing their only tough game. Penn St is #4 despite losing their only tough game, Indiana is #5 despite having ZERO tough games. Georgia is #12 despite having a ridiculous schedule and a win over #3 Texas...
Who would u replace alabama and georgia with then?
Notre dame and Miami at the very least
BYU and Indiana being ahead of Tennessee and Miami and ND being ahead of the 2 loss SEC teams say otherwise.
I don't know what some people mean about Georgia being "screwed". They have 2 losses, and they've looked like crap. Stop looking at the past 3 years: look at this year!
Yeah, but they Beat Texas and lost to ranked teams in Top 10
More top 25 games away/at neutral sites (4) than home games total (3). Lost to 2 teams inside the top 12 on the road but also ragdolled #3 on the road. IU’s best win is against 5-5 Michigan at home by 5. PSU’s hanging their hat on keeping it close with OSU at home. ND lost to a bad NIU team at home. Miami has looked bad, the list goes on. But yeah let’s punish Georgia for looking “bad” in the name of fairness when the argument really stems from anti-SEC bias
Georgia still has 2 games against Tennessee and GT (based on how they're viewing Miami) to make enough of an argument to be included in the playoff - if they don't get included it will likely be their own fault.
This take is so lazy. These schedules are night and day different. Look at the Big Ten schedules vs SEC schedules. Can't boast about being undefeated or having one loss when you haven't even played a top 50 team.
@@c.t.c.7356Agreed, the only big10 team with a tough schedule is OSI
To the argument that the "way to go is easy schedules like Indiana", no, the way to go is to win the games on your schedule regardless of who is on it.
All I hear is cope
If Tennessee beats Georgia they are #1 in the SEC great! If they lose they'll be like #14 and out of the playoffs? These people are like the government. No matter what you do with the playoffs format the committee will mess it up.
if rankings were based on SOS, Florida would actually be ranked in something, LOL
Except SOS is flawed because it assume the preseason polls were right, and everyonebwas willing to adjust correctly after it was proven wron. No proof, just opinion.
This is why I think there should be a standardized way of ranking teams, so that everyone can know exactly why every team is ranked where they are.
This has been a problem since the BCS and is arguably less of an issue now that one loss could end a championship run.
I appreciate the Jessie fight analogy (poor Jessie) GeoTech beating FSU in week zero was a huge win- fast forward and nobody thinks that was an upset. FSU was thought to be strong (a “+” on a strength of schedule opponent) but after SMU beat the snot out of them and DJU got hurt FSU became a “-“ on strength of schedule for not just everyone going forward, but even for GeoTech retroactively. Same with the LSU theory- playing a team while they are hot/ranked/undefeated/pre-injuries should count for a “+” win instead of a “-“ retroactively after that team’s season spirals for whatever reason.
Shame on the SEC for being MID this year
They aren’t mid though lol they are all great the issue is that they are not all on the same level in conference so while they all are great teams they cannot all be ranked as they cannot all be winning. Likewise someone has to lose and ironically the only SEC team with an out of conference lost is to a top 7 ranked Notre Dame. It’s not bias it’s truth. The SEC this year is much better than last year. The problem is they all have tougher schedules than almost every other conference so it’s easier to lose. Avg and mid teams are honestly being rewarded for bad play and terrible opponents while great teams are being penalized for playing better competition.
8:46 What you said was not a fact. WATER ISN'T WET. Water can make other things wet because everything doesn't have moisture. So, if I DUMP A BUCKET OF WATER ON YOUR SHIRT then it is wet.
If water is not wet then does that mean it’s dry?
semantics; scientifically water molecules adhere to each other in a process called "wetting". Plus if you put Ice (which is water) into a glass of water, is the ice not wet???
Water is wet.
@@TheBlackAztec3 No, there is no effect it neither dry or wet. It's just a liquid that makes other things wet. Saying water is wet is implying there is a dry state which there is not.
@@juneBug-kage No, water is the liquid that makes other things wet and let's say we take one molecule of the water by itself it isn't wet because it is the liquid that makes other things wet. Also for the ice you are temporarily changing its property into a solid so therefore it isn't the same. While the surface of a ice can be wet it can also be dry at the beginning stages. When water is a liquid it cannot be dry.
I think you’re thinking about it too one-dimensionally. A lot of times the “reward” is having these games against top teams make you better. A&M is a better team precisely because Notre Dame exposed to them exactly what they need to improve on and where they were deficient, so they’ve been able to spend the whole season working on just that
Whoa whoa whoa, are you suggesting to make a deep run post-season in college football you need minimal losses?! That’s crazy, it’s almost like it was the exact same under the 4 team playoff, the BCS, and the AP system prior to that
But under the 4 cupcake schedules didn’t get rewarded
@@Hoodooboiiiinailed it. Had plenty of undefeated teams in the past not make it to the BCS/4 team playoff due to weak schedule. Now they can make it so why schedule anyone tough?
Didn’t an undefeated team get jumped by 2 1-loss teams last year?
Exactly lmao. The cognitive dissonance is hurting my brain. Big fan of Josh love the show but his ‘rEgUlAr sEaSoN gAmEs dOnT mEAn anYtHiNg aNyMorE’ take is consistently the worst. College football needed to grow up lol. If you want to properly crown a championship in a football league of 30+ teams yet alone 100+ you simply need a playoff.
Big 10? Might be Michigan AD that’s in charge… we heard you.
With teams like miami not playing a single ranked opponent all season. They will always get exposed.
Get your facts straight before spewing nonsense. Miami beat Louisville at Louisville and they are ranked 19th. 😂
@johns1367 Except that Loiusville was not ranked when Miami beat them with help from the refs like they won against Cal, Virginia Tech and then lost to Georgia Tech.
@johns1367 dude, how many times you gonna be wrong? 1. Louisville wasn't ranked when miami struggled out a w 2. They are ranked 22nd not 19th lol. It doesn't matter cause my statement stands. 0.00 ranked wins all season. You casuals crack me up.
@@seekingthetruth2748 you crack me up. So we should credit Georgia teach for beating the #10 Florida state team when they played. Get out of here with that tomfoolery. Louisville lambasted Clemson who everyone was crowning the gold standard in the ACC and have only lost to Notre dame and SMU. And look up Miami’s SOS compared to the top 12 teams before you utter their name again.
@@Travis-vl7sg look throne of liar, Louisville is ranked #19 in the only poll that matters. The college football playoff poll dummy.
One college coach said it best, "it isn't about potential, it is about production". I thought about that quote and figured that that is a brilliant thought. That takes any bias out of the equation.
oh please.... You can have production against wet blankets and that says what? You are a slightly less wet blanket.
Damp blanket 😂😂
Oh nooo. Now sec teams will schedule 4 cupcake games instead of 3.
We already had very little marquee OOC matchups to begin with. Its not our fault the top two conferences wanted to stack powerhouse schools and now they're feeling the effect.
This is exactly why i believe the FCS committee does way better in their selections than FBS
I know I'm biased but does anyone think that Tennessee wouldn't wipe the floor with Indiana and BYU?
Yes I don’t think Tennessee would wipe the floor with Indiana and BYU. Both of those teams are much better than Arkansas and Florida who Tenn struggled against. Tenn would probably win against both those teams, but it would absolutely be close.
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I think Tennessee could handle IU,though I think BYU could give Tennessee a run for its money.And while I would pick UT to win,I also wouldn't be very shocked if BYU were to win.Thier defense is legit
@@TMAC803210Both of those teams are worse than Arkansas and Florida lmao. Of course BYU and Indiana look like studs against the garbage they play(besides smu). Florida has been looking good against quarlity teams as of late
@@JacksonFitzthat byu defense hasnt played a high powered strong offense like Tennesse has. Of course they look good
Who cares what the rankings look like in week 11, and why? Ranking systems will never please everyone.
FOCUS on TExas too!!!!! Who have they beaten??????
Texas scheduled Alabama as their out of conference 2 years in a row, followed by Michigan (no one knew they’d be bad when it was scheduled), and Ohio State is scheduled for the 2 next years!!
Let’s just make it so power 4 schools can only play other power 4 schools, unless a bowl game. Yes I know some small school need that money and etc etc. but with the new playoff format we need to focus on playing good games. And yes I know there’s a different between Ohio state and Purdue. But still at least power 4 only schedules would help with some of the issues
All valid points and I totally agree Josh!!
Oh wow, something FSU fans said back in 2014 and then again last year...
I hate that the Big 10 & SEC conference championship game won’t really matter, if Ole Miss, misses the game entirely, but then is still in, they will have had time off, but still made it
The ends justify the means. Good post season football with full rosters and no matter who is #13 every team with legitimate chances to win the natty is in the bracket. Nothing is perfect but two huge problems were fixed.
Josh needs to show us how clever he is and to defend his SEC
And who determines the "legitimate" team?
Committee is punishing TAMU for the loss. But if Irish had lost, they would not punish them.
Hearing what benefit is there well it will keep tradition show you not afraid to play teams who will test you. Getting rid of big games non conference creates cupcake schedules
Your flaw with the committee is because all you want Josh is big brands. You don't want teams that are not big brands in the playoffs just admit it.
Playoffs should just take the top 16 teams in the AP poll. (My opinion)
I mean, BYU has a better record, better sor, AND better sos than Texas, yet they're ranked a few spots below them.
I guess this doesn't apply across the board. 🤷🏻♀️
So what I'm hearing is Vandy is the 13 year old that came along after Georgia's 2nd half almost-comeback against Bama. (Don't take it too serious, all respect to Vandy)
At what point, in other words, when do we as fans vs. the committee, consider a team to be legit(or worth a playoff spot (top 12))? How many wins does it take? Indiana has 10 and has 0 losses with a SoS of 100 out of 134 teams. Its remaining SoS is 8th. Winning 10 games alone in D1 football is not easy. Have played any top tier teams? Debatable. But the way they beat teams, dominating Nebraska 56-7, beating an Ok Washington team 31-17, and dominating Michigan St 47-10. A lot of B-tier Big ten teams, but the way they beat these teams is something to not bat your head at.
Always enjoy your common sense approach to college football in my opinion.
You have to reward the B1G for playing 9 conference games, SEC only plays 8.
If it wasn't for the win over Texas A&M, Notre Dame would likely not be in the conversation at all due to their loss to N. Illinois. That win is definitely counting for something. Some people seem to think that "reward for scheduling big games" should equal "losses don't count at all." Which is nonsense. Everybody's got their panties in a twist about Georgia...have you watched Georgia play this year? This is the worst Georgia team since 2016. The only game this year where Georgia has looked like *Georgia* was that opener against Clemson. They had a great defensive performance against Texas, but their offense still couldn't put up 300 yards in that game. I'd say #12 for Georgia is probably about right, based on what we've seen.
Good nuanced take here. 10/10
Notre Dame also best Louisville (now ranked 15) and destroyed Navy shen it was ranked. Nortre Dame alsp plays a ranked Army team next week.
They would be an exaple of a team thst obviously deserves to be ranked ahead of Penn St, which has zero ranked wins.
I've suspected Penn St. and Wisconsin for years. They don't win their conference much, and not anytime recently. The B1G usually has Ohio St winning it. The SEC has multiple national champions within, and more than the other conferences combined since 2000. Miami, BYU and Illinois would likely lose to either Alabama, Ole Miss, or Tennessee. Of this week's top SEC teams ranked, Georgia looks to be the weakest team, but could win it all.
I meant Indiana, not Illinois...
If Indiana beats Ohio State then the "weak scheduling" point is moot. The committee shouldn't meet until after conference championships anyway.
Penn st and Texas needs to swap with Tenn and ND
Unfortunately for my Irish we can’t be higher than 5
I heard that Miami is ranked higher than SMU because of Cam Ward. So one person makes the team. Should we just have the qbs play against each other only. Such nonsense. Miami has had an easy schedule and won some games they should have lost with help from the refs.
If fsu can be left out of the playoffs, while having a better record, because of their qb situation last year. Nothing surprises me.
Can you make your own strength of schedule ranking?
If you want to "freeze" strength of opponent, Penn State did beat #24 Illinois in week 2
No, no, no. We were told every system was a crime against humanity and the only thing that would make everything perfect was a committee, and four teams, and twelve teams. Maybe fourteen teams! We were told this would solve it all!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
I think people lose sight of the big picture with this stuff. At the end of the day we want to see entertaining games. So I think the committee needs to reward those teams that play tough games that give us entertainment, not those teams that don’t play anyone of similar talent until the end of the year
I get what you’re saying when it comes to Penn State and IU appearing to be ranked highly, but who would you put over them? IU has a weak schedule but beats the brakes off every team they play, and Penn State’s only loss is to the #2 team.
There’s an argument to be made for BYU, but 7-11 all have losses to unranked programs. Sure, they have tougher schedules and some ranked wins, but Tennessee lost to Arkansas, ND lost to NIU, Miami lost to GT, Bama lost to Vandy, and Ole Miss lost to Kentucky. Just doesn’t make sense to move any of these teams up when they’ve slipped against the type of teams Indiana and Penn State have beat.
Everyone’s top 25 is flawed. For example LSU should not even be in it.
Based off what? They have 2 top 25 wins over South Carolina and Ole Miss who just knocked off UGA. LSU absolutely belongs in the top 25. Just say you don't know ball next time
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Stop preseason rankings, and you won’t have conference bias start ranking in week eight and go from there.
Miami should be a culinary school with all them cupcakes 🧁 🧟🤣🤣
Tennessee should be ahead of those little schools that havnt played anybody
So you're saying make SOS the main deciding factor. I guess a 7-5 team will be ranked 1.
This LSU fans hate loading a quality opponent at the start of the season. Next two seasons LSU starts with Clemson.
If you are from the SEC or the B1G, you will be fine… all other conferences are screwed!
Georgia has 2 losses and ND is benefitting from the win over A&M, they are a top ranked team and lost to NIU, BIU!!! Hish Risk High Reward
Josh doesn't realize that the committee members changev every 3 years, and who ever said that 3 years ago, probably aint there any more. Also im sure not every committee member doesn't hold strength of schedule as top priority. Each member is going to have there own determination of how they rank these teams. The committee isn't a single entity, but instead is a a bunch of individual members working together to determine a set system. Also you notice how Josh says nothing about Texas's schedule. Texas biggest win was Vandy, by 3 points. Yet he has no problen with a SEC team who has a not so good win schedule. Yet he points out BIG 10 teams. I think Indiana beating a 1 loss healthy Nebraska team by 49 points, was a better win then a 3 point texas win over Vandy team.
Your argument is circular Josh. Preseason rankings assume the SEC is dominate, and every ranking thereafter assume the previous ranking was pretty much correct. Maybe Alabama losing to Vanderbilt is proof there are major problems there and they are very beatable by a number of teams especially when not at home. Georgia has proven by the crazy amount of turnovers they aren't a safe bet at all and that trend isn't going away. LSU has holes everywhere. That isn't to say any of the teams playing ball don't have trouble, but the SEC was overrepresented as usual in the preseason top 25 and they are always given the benefit of the doubt because of that.
The incestuous nature of College Football schedules makes the transitive comparison of teams incredibly hard. I don't envy anyone trying to make the playoff selections "FAIR".
DONT LET THE REBS GET HOT
Ole miss has arguably the worst non conference schedule… so what? Now you don’t care after scheduling
Isn’t that what happened to Florida state last year
How dumb is it not to punish 2 loss teams & stupidly considering putting a 3 loss Ga, Bana or brand name in the playoffs with 3 losses? Vanderbilt wasn't considered tough when Bana scheduled them for an easy W. Bana would have 4 ior 5 losses with Florida's schedule
I feel good about it. Go DUCKS!
What’s Texas best win?
if josh pate has no fans, i am no longer alive🙏🏽
I love ya Josh but the cognitive dissonance of arguing simultaneously that big games are devalued and deincentivised by a 12 team playoff because you are punished for losing, while also pining for the good old days when regular season games ‘meant more’ because there was no safety net and losing them mean elimination from national title contention is making my head spin. How in the world does a playoff de incentivize scheduling big regular seasons more than the days where 2 teams made the playoff aka national championship game?
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the teams that won those big games are in the playoff conversation though?
Yep, but under Josh SOS criteria, a 7-5 team could be ranked no 1.
Texas A&M sucked the soul out of LSU..not Alabama
The way to do it is how georgia did it every year they won they played shitty teams all yr long and the highest ranked team they played was tennessee so they got a free ride to the championship every yr..Ohio state is doing it now
It’s a possibility that a two lost SEC team make it to the SEC championship game, and if they get beat that might put them out of the playoffs.
It’s not fair if the second best team in the SEC get put out of making the playoffs by losing the SEC championship game.
Well I don't think GA is going to lose this game to TN I believe it will look another like that TX game and my money is on the bull dog 42 -17
When Florida State was left out last year it set a precedent that the committee will put in the best TV matchups that are justifiable. That’s why Miami is at #9 and SMU is #14.
Right unless it’s FSU wins matter. There is no criteria. It’s whatever they want.
Just go ahead and make a case for a super conference with a established tournament setup with divisions winners. You know your want it for views .
Amazing how you think it's smart & not cowardly lion like, for a Bama, Ga or Ohio St to schedule cupcakes, then force the committee to leave them out. NO 3 LOSS TEAMS DESERVES A PLAYOFF SPOT & YOU CANT LABEL THEM AS THE BEST OF 12 WITH 3 LOSSES.
Reminder that Texas best win is Vanderbilt…
Josh hit the nail on the head. Creampuff Football Playoffs. Tough regular season games are only to your detriment. So lame.
This is why conference champions should be the only teams in, P5 and G5. Make the conference games the only thing that matter.
Damn you confused the shit out of me😅😅😅
Boise State is being punished for playing #1 Oregon. Which most know Boise should have won that game. Boise was better in the trenches.
Illinois should be top 25
FSU last year was a preface for what’s to come. This 12 team shit doesn’t change the fact that greed will keep undefeated teams out bc they’re not in the group of 4. I wanna see new teams compete sure they may get blasted but let them play. Who knows 🤷🏻♂️
Nobody wants to see a repeat of Georgia/TCU in a playoff game. They got completely ran out the building and it wasn’t worth watching.
@@mrsullivan170920 starters sat out in the game against Georgia. Youre argument sucks
@@ajcampos2309 No, they didn't. Where did you cop this lie?
Also, no one wants to see UGA vs TCU repeat because those were some of the lowest rating in a national championship ever.
@@ajcampos230920 starters sat out for TCU? You seem to be confusing Georgia blowing out TCU and Georgia blowing out FSU.
Love the show! This is a bad take Josh.
Watching sec homers like Pate cry that sec teams aren’t higher is hilarious.
That argument is flawed. The reason early-season games against tough, ranked opponents are important is that if you win and look strong, like Georgia initially did, you can remain in the top three even with a loss. However, if you lose a second game and struggle in close matchups against teams you should dominate, as Georgia did, you’re going to be penalized. Indiana is ranked ahead of those teams because they’re undefeated, while teams with multiple losses have looked inconsistent and shaky. If Georgia or Texas A&M were undefeated or had just one loss, they’d undoubtedly be in the top five, likely even #1 if undefeated, without question. Stop complaining.
It pretty much give you insurance on a loss later down the season. If you win one of those games. The fact people don't understand that is just silly. Indiana does not have the insurance. If they lose one game, they will drop to maybe barely being in the CFP, and Penn State definitely won't stay in with an additional loss. That is why you get one of those wins preseason.