Avatar: The Way of Water is MESSED UP! Non-spoiler AND spoiler in-depth review
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It would have actually been interesting if the humans came back and were like "Yo, those people we sent last time really screwed everything up. That was unacceptable. We want to actually properly negotiate for the resources because humanity really needs it to survive." or something like that. So Jake, still having feelings for his own species (god forbid), has to try and renegotiate with a much more hostile Navi, so you would have conflict based around that.
To further add, they would also provide proof that this was the case so as to avoid this just being a "pretend to not have known to save face" situation. Make it so the Na'vi are the aggressive hostile element in most situations and put Jake in the predicament of his new "people" being the jerks just like the last time when he was human, but now he can't just fight for one side in particular, he has to try and balance the two, even when it will potentially damage the relationships he fought for in the past.
Would also help dispel this retarded "Umans bad" rhetoric.
I though the Avatar job WAS to go their to properly Negotiate , but they made the mistake of sending scientists that only care about science and one guy who just bone a girl rather then explaining what they are after.
Yeah the humans could have come back being peaceful. And then a conflict arises where neither side is evil™ and we get some sort of thought-provoking story about clashes of cultures. Maybe, God forbid, the navi were the unintentional (?) initiators of the conflict. 🤯 But seeing how the first movie was just _Dances With Wolves_ on alien planet I wouldn't really expected much.
The technological advantage of the humans is vastly greater than the difference between the Europeans and the Americas. Thus, if the humans came back hostile, the natives die, and die fast. The humans are the only ones who can stop the humans, and those humans who stayed behind with the natives should have been aggressively in a near panic trying to impress upon the natives that much much worse would happen if more fighting happened.
BTW, this movie is tentacle porn
Remember non humans do not have human rights and geneva suggestions do not apply to them.
They have red chicken dinosaurs? We have toxic gasses, atom bombs and can just bomb them with whatever from outer space not needing to worry about non combatants because they are not human so in short fuck them.
I love how the Avatar movies depict a clear anti-technology agenda, while at the same time pushing technological bounderies in the real world. Or put otherwise the makers bedevil the very technology that allowed them to make their movies in the first place. :D
The primary reason technology is important to humans is so that they have a way of defending themselves against other humans.
The secondary reason technology is important to humans is to use long range communication to figure out which humans are their friends and which humans are their enemies.
Their enemies will always announce themselves proudly while trying to justify it.
For Navi however technology bad. Because if you develop technology a soul sucking tree will punish you.
Having just returned from seeing Avatar 2, I’ll say James Cameron’s Terminator 2 was pushing far more an anti-technology agenda. Skynet’s still bloody terrifying. 🤣
Speaking of the second one thing I learned the hard way is if you meet a grown man who is afraid of the word retard, you probably shouldn't talk to him.
Not everything is a statement on reality lol, it's an action movie about giant blue aliens and technicolor flying lizards
These are movie haters. Haven't seen one video they didn't like. They probably would trash citizen kane smh
Half of the memes about the first movie were about how it was worse than _Avatar: The Last Airbender_ or jokes about confusing one for the other. The other half of the memes were 40K fans wanting the Space Marines coming to Pandora to purge the Xenos.
Great. I wasn't thinking about "The Way of Water" being the adventures of Aang in learning waterbending, but now it won't go away.
"ANIMALS CANNOT CONSENT" I haven't seen the movie and I haven't seen this video yet, but I immediately laughed at that thumbnail because the weird tail thing that was used for everything (sex AND connect with animals) is one of the few things I remember about the first movie.
Animals don't consent for domestication, hunt, breeding, milking and selling. Suddenly now you're all moralistic?
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p I just found the thumbnail funny. It's not that deep.
This was an interesting thing that I thought was pretty cool. The connection was not specifically erotic in any way. It could be used that way, but it isn't it's purpose.
It's purpose us to create a mental bond a way for the different entities to communicate and connect.
According to what is shown in the first movie it isn't even necessary for procreation.
Haven't seen what they've dine with the new one, but this is an unnecessary and inaccurate judgment. It's like saying that because we use our hands to pet and command dogs we are now molesting them. This isn't necessarily true.
Germany disagree
its bassicaly usb connector. Its same as asari in Mass Effect, you dont need to ejaculate sperm when you can trasnmit genetical stuff as information in neuron waves.
Have a scene where a human (either important one or just some soldier) show how earth is, show it as a hell scape where by the time we realized that we're gonna kill the earth we realized too late, and have them say that we need the whale juice and the unobtainium to bring the earth back alive and say we've got maybe 5 years on Pandora before they won't be able to make it back to earth in time. Boom better plot, justifies evil humans, and they can make the generals son still super evil and willing to damn earth as long as he gets his revenge.
When people make propaganda, they usually abstain from humanizing the humans on the other side of the conflict.
Honestly, "killing the earth" is such a dumb premise in and of itself that it's hard to be invested in. Like, imagine what we'd have to do to the planet for that to happen. Life made it through the chicxulub impact that filled the earth's atmosphere with sunblocking dirt and caused a 2 million year long ice age. It's just a plot point that I think people are sick of.
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For anyone worried about spoilers, there are none in the non-spoiler section, no slip ups or anything. It's safe to watch.
Did you spoiled this review saying where exactly are spoilers are in it? :>
Nobody now can have thrill of watching this review and trying avoid spoiler bombs
@@von_nobody I'm devious.
I actually want the spoilers because spoilers help me know when something is good or bad and why it is such.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo I normally do, but I'll be watching this with my entire family for Christmas and I want the experience to be fresh. I don't want to go in thinking "Oh man, this is gonna suck. Sure wish we still had good movies worthy of bringing all these people!"
I really enjoyed Spider Man: No Way Home because my uncle surprised all of us with a trip to the theater at like midnight and we all watched it. If I had watched a review beforehand I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it as much because I wouldn't be interested.
For shows I plan on maybe watching solo, or not at all, I usually just watch the whole review. Don't want to waste my time with trash.
Plus, I enjoy the pretty CGI. It's like taking a walk through my imagination. And to the original shows credit, its not all "De Earf be ebil and meen and uglee" as some of the most stunning features in the original Avatar are real world landscapes. The area used for the Hallelujah Mountains in the show is an actual place in China, without flying islands obviously. I watch Avatar because it's a moving art project, not for the story. Unfortunately it isn't both like Lord of the Rings was.
@@ananonymouseuser2571 you'd harm your family watching this piece of political propaganda. Consoomer.
The funny thing is, the Avatar project proves that the humans in this setting are not evil. Getting unobtainium was a matter of survival of the whole species, yet when they first showed up the humans tried diplomacy. They tried trading knowlage for it and that ended badly because the Navi are xenophobes, so they spent untold amounts of time effort and treasure creating avatars in an attempt to learn to better understand the Navi and explain what they needed. Conflict only broke out because Jake neglected his duty to chase alien tail.
Getting Unobtainium had nothing to do with survival, it was corporate greed. It is mentioned constantly in the first film. As for the diplomacy angle, it did work for a time, as seen by Grace's school. Not sure what changed, but I suspect it had something to do with the massive mining machines destroying their homes. Also, conflict was always gonna happen with triggerhappy Colonel Quaritch in charge of military operations...
@@insertclevernamehere1186 The background fluff states that earth is in the middle of a terminal energy crisis which Unobtainium would solve.
@@elitemook4234 said fluff also states that the RDA (Resources Development Association) somehow made it illegal to attempt to develop a sustainable, artificial alternative, likely to maintain a monopoly over said super valuable resource. Instead, they use all their resources to travel to, mine, and slaughter the population of a whole other planet after stripping bare their own...
In other words, human greed is the reason behind the conflict.
(Copy/pasted from other thread cause I ain't writing all that out again)
Your, wrong earth is overgrowed to the max and pandora is war preasure planet. Everything is engineered on pandora. There is clip by company taken out first movie that explains why u obtanium is needed.
Company man*
I miss 80s James Cameron. When he had more toxic testosterone.
Heck, even 90s Cameron was good directing True Lies
Isn’t it funny how that as an old man with less testosterone, he now has a problem with testosterone. Sounds like jealousy wrapped in the bow of the Idealogical narrative.
@@shannondavis3686 On point. It's called Ladder Kicking. You climb up the ladder to success and kick it down once others try to use it. I have a special type of contempt for people who do this. It's one step lower to Treachery. Sacha Baron Cohen is another idiot who did the same thing. Openly Condemns Offensive and Political Incorrect jokes and supports CENSORING creativity AFTER he built his career by being Offensive and Politically Incorrect.
He was only talking about his attitude toward actors behind the scenes
@@LukeLovesRose No Shit 🤡
The irony of the pro nature nobel savage is its ahistoric.
When the pilgrims came to james town they were surprised how not dense the woods were because natives used fire to clear brush.
And the most common whaling isnt industrial, its tribal. Both indian ocean and artic circle.
It's one of the many myths perpetuated by self hating modern culture, the assumption that pre urban societies were somehow more pure, when those same cultures were actually more brutal and self serving
Also, if they are supposed to be parallel to the Native Americans, why do they win? Why are they not colonized? Surely that would be better than victory if you wanted to make a good parallel, maybe even a better story.
To add to this, it wasn't the white man that almost made the buffalo extinct. When the Indians found and learned to use horses, they would intentionally make entire herds stampede over cliffs and wait over a week to soften the meat. Of course either instance isn't going to be heard about...
Sshhh cameran is gen x baby, the nobel savage is the only truth
@@HandleDisliker lol it was the white man, they literally payed people to do nothing but shoot at Buffalo to starve out local Indian groups, I would love to see a picture of conveniently placed cliff and Buffalo at the bottom of it across the great planes...
I was pro human settlers even back when the first Avatar aired. Their Mechs were also great.
The bit with Quaritch giving the shoot to kill order is the best part of the first film. “Break formation engage all hostiles,” (guns open up)
Eh they were kinda stupid... why not just gas the entire forest.
@@AB-ln2py Gas? Why gas? Couple of Railguns in orbit and a few dozen hunter killer drones to sweep and clear after the bombardment. Problem solved, control demolition.
@@shadowofhawk55 Ah you know... im a Death Guard at heart... tho i do admit orbital strike sweetness :3
Humanity first!
Honestly, I would have really enjoyed a movie about inner conflicts within the different Na'vi Tribes. Because I mean that would be more accurate to historical native American tribes.
And have show that the Na'vi aren't all perfect. They have conflicts, and hey bring in the humans to increase the need to band together. But because of some falling out of the tribes after the first movie, they are a lot less willing to go.
I thought that was originally going to be about in the teaser but no enemy is humans again
This wouldn't have worked since the neuronal-ish network, that the life on the moon has evolved, that connects everything just hold everything in balance. So maybe war between the individual tribes isn't unthinkable but it's highly unlikely. That's also why humans are more or less seen as something like a virus after the first movie from the moon's perspective.
Yeah I agree, One of the problems I have with the Na’vi is they appear to have no conflict or struggle in any aspect of their life. If the humans weren’t around, would there even be a story to tell?
@Blinkus Fishus Every tribe has a warrior caste, it's pretty much a given that they had armed conflicts in the past. That might be an interesting place to go within the greater story of Pandora, however the avatar story is about Jake Sully, so keeping the conflict to be between humans and Na'Vi roots it in his origins.
@@cyrussteele9362 but it could be how Jake learns how to navigate the culture of the Na'vi as a leader. And it could be the humans come again but the problem is when he does call for them to join again they refuse because of conflict.
The general misanthropy seems impersonal, while the degradation of heroes for being white, and/or male, and/or straight seems personal. This makes the misanthropy, despite being categorically worse, seem more acceptable that the racism, sexism, or heterophobia of modern Hollywood
My favourite scene in the movie was when Quaritch said:
"As you can see, Jake Sully, I have made a comic depicting you as the soy wojak and myself as the chad. You and your Na'vi friends have already lost."
THE SEA IS ALWAYS RI----oh wait wrong show...
Eh, Avatar is the way of water so... THE SEA IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!
Hahaha 🤣 oh no my rings of power ptsd is acting up now
@@brianp6859 quick, stop it before a tempest in you emerges and tells you to ask people for meat... raw meat...
I think Cameron has the same problem as Lucas, when left to his own devices and given unlimited budgets he tends strongly to self indulgent special effects tech demos.
Stop comparing, Cameron wishes he was Lucas doesn't even reach his toes
@@geert574 Disagree, they are both great directors. They and Spielberg made the sci-fi genre how it is today.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p”made the sci-fi genre how it is today”
Back at the start of their careers, that was a good thing. Now in their late career, it’s not. Whatever the reason, they have decided that their early works were problematic and needed correction (Han not shooting first, chasing ET into the woods with radios instead of rifles, etc).
We can celebrate what they accomplished 40+ years ago, while still acknowledging they went off the rails.
Well, in fairness, the Avatar movies _are_ tech demos for his production company. They are simplistic, designed to appeal as broadly as possible, with big flashy effects, which a lot of people will like. It's like Comics Matter w/ya boi Zach said: people don't like superhero movies, they like big-budget genre movies. This falls into that category.
For my part, even if the movie is trash I'll support it, on this off chance the success of the Avatar films gets up more Alita Battle Angel.
@@JoRoq1 Han was always supposed to shoot in self-defense. Lucas spoke about this several times. He specifically changed the scene, because morons like you didn't get it.
This is why I like 40K, the Imperium of Man would Grant the Navi the Emperors Mercy and turn the planet into a strip mine. :)
I hate the genocidal nature of the imperium. Hate it hate it hate it. Avatar and it's race traitor simp protagonist is making me reconsider...
Not a great plan James Cameron.
@@charlottewolery558 I Love Love Love that there are so many other fictional universes out there. So you don't have to like, appreciate or understand 40K.
You don't have to get the humor either.
This might sound like an odd question and you don't have to answer of course. Think of it as a scientific survey.
Is your ring finger the same length as your index finger, or is it slightly longer?
@@VictorianTimeTraveler Depends. Fully stretched back as far as the finger will go on the right hand (dominant) the index and ring as are about the same length and on the left my index is way longer than the ring...this is looking from the palm side.
@@VictorianTimeTraveler Actually, I need to correct so much I' m making a new post. When I just flip I definitely have much longer ring fingers. Makes sense as I'm a trans woman and most definitely had the androgen bath a long ring finger would indicate.
I'm still interested in your point, especially when it comes to IPs. Thing is, when it comes to IPs, I have a lot of problems with British humor. Like I can see how Hitchhiker's Guide should be the funniest thing ever, but nothing is funny to me because everything on Earth is DEAD so all the quips come across as cruel. If the Vorgons got a construction hold at the last second and so did that sot trying to level Dent's house and he's livid the world's about to end he can't get on with his job that would be HYSTERICAL, but that's not what Douglas wrote.
I don't see any humor at all in Warhammer 40k, not a drip. I see nothing but awful top to bottom, beginning to end. And thanks to the pigeons of the internet that is 4chan, I know quite a lot about the lore.
And Judge Dredd I like in theory but not in execution, mostly it needs to remember at all times Judge Dredd is WRONG and the whole setting needs to be toned down by about nine notches
@@charlottewolery558 I'm with you on The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I did not like it at all.
I haven't read the book so maybe I would have appreciated it if I had.
Also I definitely understand not getting British humor. (sometimes it's just not funny)
The main thing to remember is, to British people the more you understate something and the more matter of fact and nonchalant you are about it the the funnier it is.
For instance if I had climbed Mount Everest last year I might casually remark that "I had taken a leisurely stroll up a gradual slope, a bit out of the way but all worth it to enjoy afternoon tea in peace and quiet. I'll be sure to invite you along next time, what what"
By the way, sorry about the weird question I suffer from Asperger's Syndrome.
I look at things a bit differently and I don't always remember what that looks like to other people.
Only thing I'm looking forward to with this movie is all the memes, parodys and jokes people make about it. Still laugh at the Robot Chicken sketch about the first one.
"Blue rabbits f****."
Look at the Na'vi, aren't they pretty?
No! Pandora - STRATEGIC VALUE: ABSOLUTE! All xeno scum must be purged.
I recommand the Raptors Chapter...
The Avatar movie series are a tragic, patriotic story about the perseverance of humanity at bringing progress and order to the universe. Despite the ignorant pushback by backwater inhabitants.
Agreed! Progress must march!
@@benjaminthibieroz4155 mantis warriors should be off punishment by now for *REDACTED BY HIGH INQUISITORIAL DECREE* im sure theyd love a new jungle world to play around in
Said Hitler.
"We now truly live in a rational world"
*Begins to read a book about if animal's can consent*
I just love how pregnant warriors are out in the front lines!
They did **what**? Are you serious? What civilization EVER put pregnant mothers on the front lines???
I mean, just the queen. And she very likely insisted, since her daughter was being held at gunpoint. Not smart, but not unbelievable.
So stunning,, and brave... and stupid. Typical cameron.
@@insertclevernamehere1186 there is a scene where her husband tells her it would be better to stay behind and she goes anyway
@@Zuko-9 well you really get the idea that the character is very strong willed since it's introduction
Can we go back to when Cameron just made really cool and scary Sci-Fi shit like The Terminator and Aliens. I liked that Cameron.
That was Pre-estrogen Cameron
@@MatthewLoom More like Pre-Prestigé Old Man Cameron.
That is the Cameron who remembers that his whole filmmaking career was centered around testosterone and that is why those early films were great.
Don't forget his terminator dark fate.
@@JustTooDamnHonest
That's a braindead take.
I am a hunter of deer and turkey in the USA. I also work and donate to conservation efforts for wild animals. Because I care about the environment and population of my food. I want my grandkids to be able to hunt too. The idea of whaling to total extinction is much more corporate than individual.
Corporate still cares about its bottom line.
Whaling in history wasn't a corporate thing.
It was individual dudes and relatively small crews going out hoping to make good money.
A corporate thing is like fish farming or something. Maintaining a safe constant supply of the resource being extracted.
People normally just don't think about conservation especially back then. It always needed to be enforced by government like with poaching in the middle ages.
@@darken2417 as I understand it, poaching in the Middle Ages was not about maintaining a healthy ecosystem but about asserting authority over the serf class.
@@luthasunspell8365 the argument could be made that technically (or should it be legally?) the land and everything on it belonged to the noble in charge of the area, so if you hunt "their" animals without having permission, you are basically stealing the noble's property. Asserting authority is at best a secondary aspect, I think.
@@clefsan didn’t they also assert ownership over the serfs?
Actually, the unobtainium is a real thing. It was/is used for the ideal but non-existent material in science. For example in the first half of the 20th century, the American aerospace engineers described it as "strong as the steel and light as aluminum" before titanium production has become widely available outside of the Soviet Union.
Fun fact:
The real-world metal beryllium is stronger than titanium and lighter than aluminum. It is incredible stuff!
I think Avatar would have benefited from a little more exposition about unobtainium, to emphasize its specific importance to humanity. Such exposition could easily also explain the etymology.
It is so odd the Noble Savage trope has continued for centuries now, but people are still attracted to it for some reason.
I'm not. Or at least not anymore. For example, I enjoy watching Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets but there is this scene that aggravates me no end. The Pearl people are talking about how their world is destroyed and they are now stuck on the remains of an alien ship. In the computer databases they learn science and ... philosophy. 😖
I remember as a kid lazing in bed on a weekend and thinking about the nature of reality. I maybe was twelve. Or less. I wondered if maybe I was really in a coma somewhere and that when I thought I was awake, that I was actually dreaming. I later discovered that the Australian Aboriginals had beat me to that idea. haha.
The point being that the pearl people had a very nice easygoing life and I expect a fair amount of free time on their hands. Did they never look up at the stars and wonder what was out there? Or look within and consider the nature of things as I was doing at twelve! Or less.
I was also tearing apart flower buds to look at the structures inside before it unfolded.
Yeah I have monster tendencies.
Seems to me that the universe did them a favor to kick them out of their complacency and from their world and to use the brains that took oh so long to evolve.
If you remember that it was an invention of socialist propaganda intended to stop superior cultures from liberating oppressed peoples from inferior ones, it makes sense.
The Navi aren't savages in this case though. They have access to their planetwide "god" Eywa. A shared consciousness, intelligence, and memories. They could potentially be far more intelligent than humans. It appears to me that the Navi purposefully don't pursue technology due to the harm it would bring to the their god and the ecosystem that they are far more connected to than humans could ever be. I'd argue that their society is advanced enough to maintain symbiosis with their planet indefinitely while the humans have become parasitic and are forced to exploit Pandora because they've already ruined Earth.
This film take nature loving to a whole new level.
Gigty
Is it really that bad or is it just the connecty thing from the first movie?
@@darken2417 just the connecty thing. It's not even sexual in nature, so I really don't get where they're coming from with this...
It's a troll by Cameron though, he's actually trying to corrupt the human relationship to nature, using fake things created on his Playstation 9.
@@system-error lol ps9
I always believe that the humans in avatar could end the conflict so easily by louding there space ship with nukes and bombard the planet from orbit. Anything else would come of as contrive.
No. War isn't always about killing your enemy. You want the resources of the planet so you send in your army to neutralize any and all resistance. Nukes would be counter productive.
So they should drop nukes on the planet they want to colonize? Great idea.
Or napalm or sarin gas. I'd have gone with gas, much cleaner and easier to mine the planet once everything is dead. These movies are absolutely ridiculous and utterly unbelievable, there is no way a bunch of bow wielding savage animal molesters can fight off a spacefaring race. All it would take is one ship dumping thousands of tons of sarin gas onto the planet, then a clean up crew to mine the dead world.
I should point out the humans in the avatar are all most cartoonist evil. And the second one they sound like there worst. And humans are trying to wipe out the aliens in the second one. What stoping them from using nukes from orbit. And is a show by the not real life.
@@kirkkeichinger4534
From my point of view the aliens are evil.
We peacefully came and politely asked the inhuman monstrosities to leave their tree so we can mine some mineral for important technology that those lower lifeforms couldn't possibly comprehend. And then they had the audacity to refuse and to hurt our people. We are clearly in the right.
If humans are so bad, and nature is soooo good, why don't you just go and live in a tent in a rainforest Mr Cameron?
It is a rare occurance when I strongly disagree with the knights. I don't feel like writing the whole essay about what I liked and what I didn't liked so I'll keep it short.
Really liked the central theme of nuclear family being the most important thing and Jake saying "our family is our fortress" is a banger line. Fights were awesome, tomahawk action was so satisfying and I'll never get tired of Neytiri wasting mofos while riding her bat (even tho humans should've learned by now to invest in thicker windshields). I liked details like bullets drastically slowing underwater and characters frequently changing mags.
What I didn't like is too many storylines depended on those children, I agree with Tyranth on that one, basically saving kids over and over. And I hope they don't pull immaculate conception. I can handle Kiri having unexplained superpowers but don't make her chosen one...
8/10 movie for me maybe it will get down to 7/10 but not lower than that.
P.S. while I agree ponytail bonding is weird, those are not sex organs, those are basically brain link cables.
The problem is so serious that we had the full roster assembled!
WAKANDA forever went on for something like 3 hours it had Blue people in it, this movie goes on for like 3 hours and it's got Blue people in it. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on with with Blue people and movies that will never end 🤨
All the smurf films put together adds up to at least 3 hours
Robot Chicken presents "Smurfatar"
They are The visible nrepresentstions of The devils that torment the people of the agenda to push onward. This are End Times
I'm blue
Dadal-de da da da!
@@grinningtiki220 I love this song
Seems like Pandora need the visit of the rightful wrath of the Emperor's Hammer! All Hail the Astra Militarum and the Imperium of Man!
@Druid of Scosglen yes Great Crusade time!
With Henry Cavill as the Emperor and That Star Wars Girl as the Navi Avatar...
xeno scum must be purged in fire.
We need more of you guys defeating the "Howard Zinn" version of colonial history. And as a "normie" Avatar viewer, I am very concerned about a 3-hour film. That is a big commitment for a going to the theater
Wow! I haven't thought Howard Zinn since I stopped teaching! And I absolutely agree with you. History is far too complex and that's what makes it fun. And when that complexity is competently out into a story, it becomes far more interesting and engaging. If the Na'vi started taking human guns to hunt, that alone would be one amazing narrative step and set up an alien way to explore human history.
Just switch off and enjoy, grab a few snacks and don't forget to use the bathroom
James Cameron wanted to Battle Angel but passed it off to Robert Rodriguez who reworked the script and directed the film. Shad, Cameron was somewhat involve but give Rodriguez some praise if you like the film. Love ya, just needed to point that out with how many times you mentioned it.
In a perfect world we would have gotten a sequel to that instead.
I might be weird, but I am human, and so I always root for the humans in movies! LOL
not weird, but very simple
@@protatorlol... Thanks!
Uhhhh they burned an entire forest and brutally murdered two whales. You're what's wrong with SOME humans.
@@willgriffin5647 Not ALL the humans were bad in the first movie... I root for them. If that makes me bad... uh... ok.
@@willgriffin5647 you're taking it to seriously mate
The thumbnail alone highlights an issue of this franchise that is yet be addressed along with a bunch of other things
Pretty sure the movie calls it a neural network. Nothing inherently sexual about it. Heck, we never even see two Navi link to each other, do we?
@@insertclevernamehere1186 Doesn’t the main character have a sexual experience with the female lead in the first movie? I know the scene isn’t in all the versions but it’s still there
@@daimonatkins3046 I didn't see it in the one I watched the other day on Disney+, but even so, just cause it CAN be used to enhance a sexual experience, that doesn't make it inherently sexual in nature...
@@insertclevernamehere1186 fair point but that’s something that should’ve been taken into account when bringing this idea from the page to the screen
“We bond with each other through our hair but with the creatures around us, it helps us to form a connection with them”
I think of the ponytails more like an umbilical cord than a penis. A bunch of nerve endings that provide many functions to children.
This is going down faster than Titanic....the ship. It's absolutely heavy handed. Just convert the cast to normal, human form. Same formula, as ever. All the characters are now "multi" whatever, rather than having true diversity/differences among the various peoples. Hegemony by means of inter-marraige. If they create a "new" people, both of the old will be lost.....almost like that's the point. "Loose two for the price of none."
And not the Italian one
You can convert all characters in Star Wars to humans and all planets to cities, that would become Hidden Fortress. What's the point of this analogy?
I wish people would actually watch a movie before they talk about it
I'm really, really tired of "humans bad".
That's all.
I'm tired of that, and I'm also tired of the equal-and-opposite conceit of "humans perfect, or would be if only". Always outgrowing their need for "silly superstition", always becoming enlightened and benevolent at the exact moment they no longer have to work for a living, always casually embracing the next depth of depravity without turning a hair or any social or physical consequences...
That's all for me, too.
@@ChallengeIdeas Different types of propaganda. One is "You should abandon God and tradition, and embrace hedonism." The other is "You should be ok with biosecurity tyranny and depopulation."
It's no coincidence that Thanos was made to be what he was, as the ONLY sympathetic villain in marvel movies.
Human are bad though
funny thing is, this movie doesn't says "humans bad", just look at the maincharacter ;)
@@geroutfonteyn678
Jake is allowed a pass only because he abandoned his human body and embraced the alien culture.
You guys should look up a movie called Battle For Terra. Basically the same plot as Avatar (which technically came out years after) but with a lot more humanity behind the humans, more logic behind their actions with justification actually shown to the viewer, and you could really feel the desperation driving them once you know the context.
And this was a b-grade film festival movie shown in a thousand theaters, not the several hundred million hollywood extravaganzas made by a beloved veteran director.
This one and a half hour review provides more entertainment than the movie itself
Everything comming from this channel is better than the source material
How have you watched the whole thing if it hasn't even been an hour yet?
To be fair im enjoying people shitting on a2 more than i did watching it but i had to suffer through it to enjoy shitting on it :)
Yeah, movies have gotten steadily worse. I think the last movie I really enjoyed was Ford vs Ferrari
@@gageriddle1681 Shad has more credibility than the producers of this movie lol
My biggest problem with the movie was that the sea people were so pissed when they killed the whale but we're okay with them killing their family members as long as they don't see it. Just because my family is out of state doesn't mean I wouldn't care if they got murdered
Wait, Robert Rodriguez directed Alita Battle Angel, not Cameron.
Okay, so he was a producer on it, but that was all he did.
I wonder if some no name nobody writer had come up with the exact same script would a movie studio have made it? Or is it just because James Cameron is a big name & anything he wants to do gets greenlit?
Yes. 100%. The guy made Terminator 1&2, Aliens, Titanic.. Yeah if he says ‘I’m making a movie..’ they greenlight it instantly.
Since the moment when the first Ewok arrow killed the first Imperial Stormtrooper in full Battle Armour, everyone in armour has been doomed.
I wonder why James Cameron is holding back his space horses ?!
For avatar 6, plains of the horsies from space
The Avatar franchise is nothing but a benchmark for the latest technological elements of filmmaking. Visuals over storytelling.
The storytelling and characters are in the visuals. Cameron's entire career is built on creating substance through his style.
You are acting like a movie is not allowed to do that.
Like Half life.
Still. The story is simple but given the huge budget. It needs worldwide appeal.
Honestly, the story was simple but definitely had a great way of telling it.
Seems to be working pretty well for them.
@caradocg1234
Is the hate towards the movie justified in your opinion? It looks to me like bandwagoning.
Not being able to tell the characters apart is a pretty big character design issue
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I didn't have that problem tbh.
@@charleszp938 neither
@@charleszp938 i didn't watch the movie just going off of Shad and the guys, but the first Avatar i had that problem a bit there was little variation in the way they looked it was like the team just dressed up the same model different
Had no problem telling them apart.
I consider myself to be a much more critical viewer than most people, but I came out of this film satisfied and eager for the next one. It did drag on for quite a while, but slow shows or movies have never been an issue for me. Despite my ADHD, when a screen turns on I just zone in and enjoy it.
Afterwards is when I get more critical, but I actually liked this movie quite a bit. There were some dumb decisions, clunky dialogue, and slow scenes but I feel like the action and visuals were compelling enough to make up for it. Also, I am a huge sucker for worldbuilding and interesting alien species, so a 30 minute detour to explore some of the ocean is a bonus to me, not a negative.
My main issues weren't with the runtime, they were mainly with the characters. I found Spider and the youngest son to be especially annoying. But overall, I'd give it a 7.5/10. Controversial, I realize, but I just wanted to say that I think this film can be enjoyable for even a more discerning viewer.
"look at the fish! DON'T YOU LOVE THE FISH?"
Yes! Fish is delicious!
Okay, I have to pop in and say that we will just throw out whatever animals parts we don’t need. Shark fin soup? There are fisherman who bring in a big shark, take the fin off, and just throw the wounded shark back in the ocean.
this film teaches us that if we ever find sentient life we should glass the plannet until no vital signs are shown, it will clearly solve many problems
44:00 'Sentient' means 'feeling'. Animals are sentient, by definition. 'Sapient' means 'intelligent'. I think the confusion comes from sci-fi such as Star Trek mistakenly using 'sentient' for intelligent aliens.
It’ll always be sentient for me for that very reason. I hate people saying sapient
it has nothing to do with the level of intelligence, it means to have a sense of self/ self-awareness.
I have understood 'sentient' to mean self-aware. That is, capable of thinking of oneself in the third person, or aware of one's own internal monologue.
So, for many animals, it is difficult for us to determine whether they are sentient.
'Sapient' means 'capable of reason'.
@@Nethseaar Definitions are a bit blurry, but basically sapience is supposed to be what sets us - homo sapiens - apart from (most) other creatures. It's not directly linked to self-awareness tho. A house cat can think and is even capable of basic planning, feels a wide range of emotions and generally experiences the world from a subjective point of view. Yet it is usually only considered sentient, but not sapient... which I find strange because if you look at the origins of those words then sentience is the ability to feel, sapience the ability to think/to acquire and apply knowledge and conscience/self-awareness is it's own thing.
Regardless of what the correct definitions may be, usually when someone deliberately chooses the word "sapience" they intend to imply self-awareness.
I don’t think the movie theatre would be able to withstand the sheer amount of my testosterone level. Either the the clerks would just thanos away at my sight, or the chair would disintegrate as I would sit. 😅😂
You like it or not, they're spitting *silence*
Much quite,
Such silence.....
Goddamn, what you're talking is what I expected for the film to be as a generic sequel. I hoped they would have the balls to end the movie with at least the humans capturing the daughter of the MCs and forcing her into a human Avatar and take her to Earth or something more wild. But whatever, humans bad I guess.
Over all I didn't mind this movie, I just want to point out that the anti military stuff kinda bugs be that's not how modern military operate & blue team act like terrorist & I also want to point out the gunshot that killed the kid was a through and through one of the easiest pache ups jake should know how to do it..
The other thing I thought about is they got cloning so this magic brain goo could be created in a lab by growing the brains.
Honestly I would watch avatar 2 again slow and all then any shit like rings of power, she hulk, halo, willow, etc.
And the last part If I recall correctly there is extended universe stuff that help explain stuff but mhe
I said the same thing, human are show to be great at cloning, genetic engineering, and even could grow a adult Navi in a 6 year trips to Pandora. So basically it would take human 12+ years to go to and come back for whale oil, they surly could grow one faster then the time it take to get their.
Also human also have Immortality sense they can just clone new body and put their mind in it. Whale oil seams just to make them really evil.
I doubt they could recreate that oil with just cloning alone. It likely is a Product of the brain activity in the whale since its extracted from the brain itself.
Add in diet and environment. You might not be able re create it in the lab.
@@silverhawkscape2677 very possible, but because its not really explained if its a one off or you have to keep taking it so theoretically evan if it was an inferior version and only slowed down the ageing process that would be just as valuable if not more because you would have to take it more often, point is because it's not really explained it leave it open to holes in plot and reasoning
The worst thing about Avatar 2 was the theatre audience cheering when humies got slaughtered.
@@Underworlddream you don't even need whale juice irl to slow aging. We can already reverse aging and halt it completely and it's hilariously one of the easiest things imaginable compared to science fiction magic medicine. Hyperbaric oxygen chamber exposure as a weekly therapy. Telomere length extends dramatically and senescent cells are dealt with. Should add several decades every time you do this to your current age in theory. Should be stupid cheap. Turns out, it's not as insanely valuable to people as often thought, hence how little this info has spread after over a year since study confirmation. Basically, Michael Jackson had the right idea. I wouldn't do it personally though.
When the team promises no spoilers, gosh darn they mean it.
I haven't watched the video yet, or Way of Water (I probably won't watch it at all), but just from the title of the video, an EFAP episode with the gang, Shad, and Chris Gore talking about the film would be interesting
"Spare us your pity, alien. You gush about your connection with nature, your primal wisdom, but what has it brought you?
Where are your marvels of engineering? Your voyages of discovery? Your great insight into the nature of the universe? Even at our basest, when we dressed as you do, dwelt as you do, hunted as you do, lived as you do, we did more than merely survive. We built wonders. We made great journeys. We forged epics. You have not.
You speak so proudly of the plugs that dangle from your skulls, little realizing that they are but strings and you puppets. What little you have accomplished you attribute to the wisdom of your goddess, who is nothing but the voices of your dead echoing for all eternity. She moors you to the past, serving as a leash that keeps you as little better than apes, sad parodies of civilization that lack that special spark to become something more.
We have come to your world in search of resources. Whether your actions drive us back or we take what we want and move on, the outcome is the same. We will depart from your wretched planet, leaving you behind. And in a thousand years, you will not have changed from this contact with another world. You will remain in your trees, hunting your prey, communing with your goddess, until your sun burns out and your world dies.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us."
-S.VASH, UA-cam Comment on "AVATAR but HUMANS are the GOOD GUYS (WH40k)", 2020
Wait… they bring the dead bad guy back… in an Avatar body… with all his memories… using his DNA.
WTF then did they need Jake Sully in the first film when they had the technology to resurrect his deceased brother? There’s no way earthlings technically advanced to such a degree that they could extract memories from someone who’s been long dead when the doctor scientist lady couldn’t be saved by a magical tree prior to even dying. It makes no sense.
That's an excellent point, actually. Wasn't it that his brother died while they were growing his blue kitty body, too and them being twins made them compatible? They must have had the mind upload tech at the same time they were doing that mission... I guess he could have died before they uploaded his mind.... but for such an important mission why would you wait?
Plus, if you can just program an avatar body with memories, why even do the soul transfer thing? It's not like memories are in DNA and it seems to imply the clone gets its own soul since Captain Kitty says he's not really the human commander.
This is truly non-spoiler
cope more
says on title non spoiler AND spoiler review
@@Nomadic_Gaming what? When I made the comment there was no audio. It was a joke.
@@Beard_Hood ok sorry thought it was snark
thought it maybe a meme joke but on this platform i always default to its probably snark
@@Nomadic_Gaming don't blame ya.
"Unobtainium" is not a bad name/term. We used the term before Avatar came out. We also used "expensalloy."
It's really kind of funny, playing off the idea of it being an element that's hard to get.
Unobtainium was the biggest plot hole in the first Avatar movie since they made it clear then that space travel (FTL?) is not possible without Unobtainium which can only be found on Pandora - a far away planet unreachable for conventional space travel (LTL).
Presumably I guess they just got there the hard way, retrofitted their ships with it, came back to Earth way faster and was like "hey guys, look at this cool stuff we found!"
@@mewnani And that why this movie never worked for me. It failed to a proper world building. Alpha Centauri is our neighbor star system, approximal 3.26 lightyears away which means you would travel 3.26 year using the speed of light. Something they did not have. Let's assume they are using an Ion-Drive with could possibly reach 1/10th the speed of light which means you spend 32.6 years travel to the nearest star.
The most generous explanation would be that Pandora is a planet based in the Alpha Centauri system and humans in hypersleep arrived 33 years after they left Earth to found the special metal. They would still need the scientist on board skilled and able enough to identify, test and use this metal. So, just add another 25-50 years of research and trial & error thanks to the lack of resources since they are far from Earth.
@@rockbottom2822 Those are all extremely good points. Come to think of it why would they call it Unobtainium? It's obviously not unobtainable; they're holding it there in their hands. And that doesn't sound like a name the Na'vi would give it. Not available on Earth, but then again Lord knows how many elements are out there in space that we haven't discovered.
Too many things in this series are done because they're cool and not because they're thought out. Jake's allegedly in the military, and yet he does things a sane military OP would never do, because they're stupid.
@@mewnani Yeah, you have to suspend your disbelief when it comes to such fantastical or fictional elements but there is always a breaking point. Usually it happens when a character or plot is not consistent. A good spectacle and pacing can cover for plot holes or goofy parts but you need a solid script and a competent director. The less a movie takes itself serious the easier it is to get away with things that doesn't add up or don't make sense. Unfortunately this movie thinks it is smart.
That why talk about colonization of Pandora sound crazy to me, it would be nearly impossible to do so.
If you want to see a better version of avatar, watch PRIMAL. I want to see Shad's live REACTION to season 1 episode 1 for no specific reason, not involving what I've seen about it or the entire story.
Primal was CRAZY!
Or the actual good avatar called princess Mononoke
@@elpsykoongro5379 Or maybe just watch the other avatar with the bald kid
@@renzmanzano4010 Avatar the last Airbender was AMAZING
Why do I love the black templars...
“Animals Cannot Consent”…………
Angry Chenk noises!
An oldie but a goodie
You don't understand, they're pleasuring the animals
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Well, I always thought connecting the ponytails was just some kind of upgrade when Sully and NeyTiri were banging. I thought they are still doing the real thing. Was I wrong the whole time?
I thought the same. The ponytails in the first movie were clearly just links allowing direct mental communication. They still had to do the horizontal tango. The link just made the "I love you" more heartfelt between partners and the "I mean you no harm" more obvious to animals.
Really says something about the garbage Hollywood puts out when I have no desire to see a movie that took 12 years to create but I’ll watch four Australian geeks roast the same movie for an hour and a half.
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With how much tech has advanced and how much visuals have improved, I really don't think CGI, no matter how impressive, is going to save this movie. It's the same with video games. Graphics have advanced to a point where "realistic graphics" isn't even a positive selling point any more and some of the best games on the market now don't have that level of graphics.
I feel like there’s a degree of subtlety where it’s no longer propaganda and more just a film with an opinion. Black panther 2, rings of power, and she hulk are propaganda. A movie about the beauty of nature and different cultures of underdeveloped tribes isn’t really propaganda
It is when humans are portrayed as evil monsters who want to murder all the innocent natives for greed.
@@iitylernallen you are making this silly, uninformed rant on a wrong video bro
Yes, there is a degree of subtlety where those topics can be addressed without venturing into propaganda. Such as documentaries or stories that take place in those cultures.
But that's not what's going on. You talk about "film with an opinion", when a film is made to promote or present that opinion of the film maker, we are now discussing a paraphrasal of the definition of "propaganda".
It haven't seen the movie to comment on it, but the whole "film with an opinion" idea is itself propaganda, regardless of the topic of the opinion
I'm surprised you guys are hung up on Palpatine being cloned/returning. It happens in the Legend books. It's not an unprecedented thing. Luke even goes over to the dark side in Legends but is able to come back. Now the sequels didn't do proper setup for the return in my opinion, or set up for Force healing which seems people are freaking out about. Force healing is established in Legends books and games. Luke is given a brain aneurysm in one book (Courtship of Princess Leia) and the life around him gives up it's life to Force heal him.
"cause the water is pretty" sums up the whole thing LOL
Shad, your team has really come together.
Avatar: The Way of the Wank
Why do they need the brain juice from the whales? There are biologically immortal creatures here on Earth! Certain jellyfish are thought to be biologically immortal, aren't they?
because humans bad. That's basically the only reason.
The fact that this movie takes places years after the first one - iirc literally takes 7 years or so to travel to Pandora, so a roundabout trip would be 14 - and the humans didn't learn anything already from getting their asses handed to them in the first movie in aerial combat. Because on the ground they WERE wiping the floor with the Na'vi until the deus ex elephants came in. Get stronger glass! Or better yet, instead of helicopters which are relatively clunky when it comes to dogfighting--- bring FIGHTER JETS for air superiority! Drop submarines into the water. Anything that makes SOME tactical sense!
In terms of it being difficult to fight "savage" people with a regular army: I would like to point at the British-Zulu Wars.
Also also: In terms of the "too much time passed" argument. Top Gun 2. 30 years.
I think it's more like a USB plug where everything can access a share drive
Is that not what a dick is? The sperm is just the data that get loaded into a compatible program aka egg to send a signal make a new living being.
Not surprised when they took down a whole whale for just one specific part, and didn't care about the rest. The ivory trade? Shark fin soup? There are many instances of people just hunting animals for specific parts, and leaving the rest. Poaching is a huge problem. The movie might have it's problem, but I went in wanting to watch a documentary with some action, and I enjoyed it a lot x)
I burst in laughter many times , thanks for this guys. Ever the cheerful warriors ❤️
Shad! I come bearing a movie that was fun to watch! Have you heard of the movie "Violent Night" ? Whatever that title brings to mind, i must say, this movie had a great story and the action, while cheesey, far surpasses any action scene from disney star wars. Its like a mashup of home alone and john wick!
Edit: also, knowing youre christian like me i must add, while it certainly isnt a christian movie, it actually suprised me how much they RESPECTED the christian holiday, zero dunking on it!
I almost agree. It was fun, but I left thinking about all the missed potential it had. They should have varied the kills alot more, cheesied it up even more... There were parts where they missed a good solid cheesy line, or visual joke.
I don't regret spending the money on the ticket, though. Good way to spend an hour and a half.
I can see that, i think they may have left some ideas on the cutting room floor, like santa getting that one weapon at the end, but it never getting used despite a pretty nifty setup
@@shadowthedragon7151 Yeah, that was a weirdly timed payoff. I feel like that should have come just before/during the final battle. Ah well. Could have been a great movie, but just wasn't there. Maybe there'll be a director's cut. :)
I liked it well enough. It was by no means perfect, but it had all the elements of a classic Christmas movie. I laughed, I cheered, I grimaced, I almost cried. My favorite part was the attic scene because it felt like a "task failed successfully" moment. As for the best action scene, it was the one in the garage. Candy cane shank!
Speaking of him being Christian, I felt there was a missed opportunity for a joke, in which Violent Night lampshades the trope of Christmas being in existential danger without Santa Claus’ business. That is, despite the holiday’s roots in someone who existed centuries before Saint Nicholas (or the Santa Claus character loosely inspired by him). For example, there could have been a scene that plays out like the joke in Austin Powers, where Dr. Evil plans to gets sharks with laser beams, only for his henchmen to cite technicalities that limit them to mutated sea bass.
Likewise, “Scrooge” could voice his eagerness to end Christmas forever by killing Santa Claus. But one of his henchmen could raise a question that, if he really wants to end Christmas for good, what does he plan to do about the “other guy” Christmas is about, who “isn’t known to stay dead for long”. Leguizamo’s character could briefly show some frustration, before deciding he can “settle for killing the man who made Christmas fancy”. Or Santa himself could subtly reference it, as a taunting boast that Scrooge’s goal is unfeasible, which prompts the same response before they continue fighting to the death.
My opinion of Avatar 2 is: Whale Rider meets Waterworld
The movie isn't anymore complex than that, it's also about as subtle as someone screaming at you from 5ft away
The short story you mention at 1:00:34 is called "They're Made Out Of Meat" by Terry Bisson, and it's one of my favorites.
considering i was bored watching the FIRST avatar, doubt i will watch this unless it is a huge huge improvement
Just a guess that isn't the case
It is a huge improvement, these guys are obnoxious
Movie should have been named Awater... that would be real creativity.
Some good points raised, I enjoy the quality of your vids and the production 🤣
I really love the intro outro theme!! Can anyone tell me where it's from and where can I find it?
Trouble is that you’re assessment on the whaling thing is kind of off. There are a lot of situations where an animal is hunted for one part and the rest is left to rot.
Shark fins
Rhino horn
Elephant tusks
The main reason that whales were dragged home is because there were multiple very valuable parts available in addition to the oil, which can be processed at sea:
- “Whalebone” which is actually jaw cartilage used on clothing manufacture
- Ambergris for perfume
- skin oils used in waterproofing.
We didn’t eat whale much in the west prior to WW2, when it became a cheap substitute meat in school dinners
They mention it several times in this video, but the "braid connector" on the navi's heads is not their reproductive organs.
Looking at where they have clothing, shows that they would have genitalia at least similar to humans. Also we see a clearly pregnant Navi and the child is carried identically to humans.
The "braid connector" is a mental connector allowing them to feel each other to help them coordinate movement and give commands.
I'll watch this video most definetly. I'll come back to it later. Seen the 1st one. Not expecting much from the 2nd.
Ironically, some of the only people who still whale are indigenous tribes...basically who the Na-vi are supposed to represent. So if anyone was whaling, it should have been the Na-vi. The humans would have showed up with the Sea Shepard and made a nuisance of themselves.
This is the guy who made Terminator, Aliens, and The Abyss. Just to put things in perspective. Oh, how the mighty have fallen...
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There are times when executive meddling is actually necessary to reign in directors who have lost the plot and Avatar: Way of the Water was one of those times.
Thank you, Knights, for reminding me why I was so bored in the first movie and why I won't be wasting my time with the second 😊
One reason to run away is that when Jake realizes that the new humans are not there for mining and that the bad guy is back sent on a black ops mission specifically to kill the him the trader. That actually makes more sense than you guys are giving it credit for.
Something I don't quite understand is that the Navi are supposed to be in tuned with nature and be at peace with each other and other tribes. They are vegetarians and are friends with all animals. Yet, being able to fight, being a 'great warrior' is held to a high regard in Navi's culture.
If a nation is at peace with each other and are perfectly in tune with nature, why is being a warrior held to such a high regard, this was before the humans showed up. Wouldn't the people who have the highest status in this harmonious culture be doctors, philosophers, maybe engineers or inventors. People of great intellect or perhaps religious leaders. If you have a world in absolute peace, then why is the warrior class even a concept.
I thought the "David Attenborough" part was very nice, in most "action" movies that part is most time rushed over and it also took it's time to let the children develop the skills they needed later in the movie. And when Cameron cooked up a complete new Pandora biotope, why not take your time to show it in stead of show just glimps of it as is mosttime done.
The first "whaling scene" was in the trailer that got me to watching the movie.
Oh my god, so I was right James Cameron did hide beastality in the first film behind those tail things.
Puts a whole new color on that mass connecting thing where everyone bops in time for a ritual, doesn't it?
Talking about Avatar the first movie, I would like to say I know what the movie is about, since I went with people that wanted to see it... for some reason, and... I fell asleep and was awakened at the credits when everyone was ready to go. I guess you could say, that the movie put me to sleep. I imagine the second one will do much the same.
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Thanks for the review, just saved me a bunch of money and a tank of gas. At this time of year that is a win. Merry Christmas all and a Happy New Year.